They destroyed the bomb sight because during the war the norden bombsight used by the USAAF was a very closely guarded secret. We didn’t even share it with the Brits. After every mission the bombardier had to remove the sight from the aircraft and carried it while armed into a secure building on the airfield.

@waynec3563

5 ай бұрын

And yet the Germans were aware of the Norden bomb sight from before the war, with spies giving them plans in 1938.

@Ducayneau

5 ай бұрын

The Norden was not as secret as believed; both the British SABS and German Lotfernrohr 7 worked on similar principles, and details of the Norden had been passed to Germany even before the war started.

@facubeitches1144

5 ай бұрын

The funny thing was that the Germans really didn't care about the Norden. They'd captured a couple of them, evaluated them, and didn't think much of them. The Nordens turned out to be not much better than anything already out there.

@rosshein356

5 ай бұрын

@@Ducayneau oh I know….. the US was actually the last country that norden had tried to sell his bomb sight to. So in that respect it was rather overblown, but the usaaf did treat the thing like a big deal at least early on.

@Crocodingle

5 ай бұрын

According to wikipedia a spy in the Norden factory gave the plans to the Germans in 1938 and the Americans relaxed the security a bit later in the war.@@facubeitches1144

The plane that was “not ours” was just another American plane from a different airfield that needed to land there most likely because they were short of fuel or too damaged to make it to their own airfield. It happened basically every single mission throughout the war

@nathanmeece9794

5 ай бұрын

I had an uncle who served with the 390th bomb group in WW2. I think he was a radio operator on a B17.

This episode was just soul crushing. It's insane this all actually happened. We must never forget.

The events depicted on this episode were part of Black Week, October 1943, also known as the darkest days of the U.S Army Air Force

Rosie Rosenthal did dogfights while stationed in the United States. He used skills learned there in his actions.during that mission. It was only his third mission on his way becoming a legendary pilot. He had to describe it to Curtis LeMay the big boss.

Egan actually forgot his lucky jacket didnt swap it but he did say that Cleven always hated that jacket

Also the Munster raid it is true only Royal Flush commanded by "rosie" Rosenthal was the only 100th plane to make it back from the bombing

"Rosie" Rosenthal was well known for doing whatever he could to keep his crew moral up so him humming a song is accurate no matter how weird it sounds or looks.

no, the bombs have little propellers on their nose that turn when the bomb is dropped. That is what arms the bomb. It can't explode by itself in the plane.

They destroyed the bomb sight because it was top secret and they didn’t want it to fall into the hands of the enemy.

@TailspinMedia

5 ай бұрын

exactly they didn't want the Nazi's to steal the technology and use it against them. it was an advantage for the air force.

@voiceofraisin3778

5 ай бұрын

@@TailspinMedia The nazis stole the Norden in 1936, had a functional and improved version in their own planes by 1940 and considered it old technology. The Norden secrecy was a sales tactic by Norden to try and convince the USAAF that it was superiour technology to the sperry bombsights which were actually simpler, cheaper and more effective.

When he said "It's not ours." He meant that the plane that landed was from a different bomb group. In this case a plane from the 390th bomb group. So still a US plane, just not one from their particular bomb group.

They had some luxury because being a pilot was harder job than just infantry guy and survival rate was low for them. ~46% of them were KIA, ~8% injured, ~9% captured as POWs. If you watch "Das Boot", U-Boot guys had some luxury too, because 70% of them were KIA. They had to give them something extra on both sides to bust morale. Going back to US bomber crews, more of them died above Europe, than marines on Pacific front.

The Norden bombsight was technology that was closely guarded (it was an early computer in some ways) That is way the crew destroys the equipment when needed! Before a mission a Bombardier would go to a secure and collect his bombsight and take it to his plane, while being escorted by a military policeman!

@baron7755

5 ай бұрын

you were the 10th person to type this exact same comment in the thread

@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw

5 ай бұрын

@@baron7755 Yay, knowledge!

Joseph "Bubbles" Payne didn't actually die on this mission as he wasnt actually on this mission. but i can see why they did adapt it storywise. As he did die on another later mission which was really a ridiculous decision by a later commander of the 100th.

There was a B-17 crew in the Pacific that used maneuvering to hold off Japanese fighters for a long time. Enough time to escape

@benschultz1784

5 ай бұрын

Old 666. 2 MoHs came out of that mission.

@11:20 the Norden bomb sight was classified technology and apparently much more accurate (or at least believed to be) than the bomb sights being used by German bombers. Consequently, it had to be kept out of falling into their hands and possibly reverse engineered for use in German bombers. They showed a little earlier that it allowed the bombardier to actually take control of the plane from the pilot during the last seconds of a bombing run to make small course corrections before releasing his bombs. @21:05 They aren't moving. They are packing up the personal effects of their dead/missing friends to send them back to their families.

Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Masters Of The Air!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

16:05 One questionable positive of them being last one's is freedom of movement. They lost their passive air defence umbrella from their "strenght" of numbers, but they could avoid freely and with a good pilot they could actively deffend themselves. P.S. Not every soldier/sailor was smart enough to quickly warn other of seen threats by giving position in degrees, so army/navy adapted clock face positioning. (If that's how it's called. Sorry, I'm Polish and English speech fails me at times)

This episode is based on the real mission that took place on Sunday, October 10th, 1943, a raid on the railroad marshalling yards and workers housing, in the city of Munster. Some of the 100th crew members complained bitterly after the briefings, once they knew they would be bombing civilian houses and a cathedral, that surrounded the rail yard that was their target, near the centre of the city. It was estimated that 350 Luftwaffe fighters rose to attack the group, which was composed of aircraft from multiple US 8th Air Force divisions, that could only be escorted by allied fighters as far as the European coastline. The 100th lost all but 1 aircraft, the 13th Division lost 25 of 30 aircraft, the 95th lost 5 of 17 aircraft, and the 319th lost 8 of 17 aircraft. Over the 3 days that the US 8th Air Force flew the missions culminating in the Munster raid, preceded by attacks on Bremen, 88 aircraft were lost: nearly 900 men.

The bombs detonators were charged by propellers spinning on their noses as they fell. You can hear the crew chief ask OK to release the propellers when they were approaching the IP. In flight they were locked by a wire. There’s not much chance the bombs will just go off on their own without some sort of detonator.

the bomb sight was a secret mechanical computer and couldn't get into German hands. So they were destroyed before they went down over enemy territory

He pulled out that chunk of shrapnel because it was almost red hot, and burning him. (The shell it came from was fired from a large calibre gun and travelled faster than sound, then exploded, all high temperature events.

@BissFlix

5 ай бұрын

Got it, thanks for watching

Sure, the bimber crews were spoiled with luxuries, but by the same token their chances of NOT surviving the war were far higher for them than for any other service.

Thank you for posting this episodes reaction. Wonderful reaction Biss. 😊😊

B-17 cruised at around 180mph (289 kph) while the German fighters where going up to 500 mph (800 kph) in a dive..

They were packing up the killed air crews things. There’s a unit in the military called “mortuary services” that those boxes would go to. They sanitize everything before sending the things home. By sanitize I mean they remove any “embarrassing” things to in a way protect the aircrew/soldiers memory. So the one guy with all the condoms, they would have tossed those before, also if they were married but were “seeing” someone in England they would also destroy those pictures and letters as well. In todays current age they go through your electronic devices and delete the same kind of stuff to preserve your memory in your family’s eyes. It’s already bad enough your husband got killed but say then you learn he was cheating it up in England as well, so they just destroy the evidence.

After watching episode 5 Friday, I was wondering/dreading how you were going to handle this episode.

Some of the units would pull the tables of the downed crews out of the mess halls so that no one would notice the empty seats. However, after really bad beatings like this episode, the had to just fill seats with anyone the could find, since the surviving crews would otherwise have been in a mess hall with no tables.

Thank you for your time. Maybe if you want sometime this year if you hav'nt seen already: Lone Survivor is a goodie. And as always...Hold Fast My Friends!

@BissFlix

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure, thanks for watching. I will keep Lone Survivor in mind

Of course we are gonna get GGI in this show, they aren't gonna use actual B-17's, they are sacred at this point and there is only 6 flyers now. They've did an incredible job with the CG, especially in the air.

harry the gunner that died his body was recovered and buried, was also eventually repatriated to the USA and reburied there.

When a person is injured or killed, someone has to pack up their property and conduct an inventory. It'll be two people (two NCOs or an officer and NCO). I've had to do it a couple of times (fore ne of my guys that got a TBI from an IED), and when one of the other squad leaders died). It's not a pleseant experience. You basically make it look like they were never there and a replacement will be given their living area.

The bombs have to fall. There is a wire that keeps the fuse from arming . They can put the pins back in.

the fighter escort was actually late to meet up they made a navigational error so used up most of the fuel before even meeting up so they couldnt stay even as long as the planners hoped

Crosby still flew missions as group navigator but he had all this extra work to brief others as well and he only flew with the lead plane usually.

If you want that style of jacket. Look up WW2 Bomber jacket. The prices range from $200.00 to over $2000.00 for an original WW2 Bomber jacket.

I asked my father once how they handled toilet needs on a B17. He said there were tubes that you could pee out of and you just went in the bomb bay if you needed to go the other way. Nobody cared if you dropped "dirty bombs" on the enemy.

(Not really a spoiler since this can be seen in the title montage at the beginning of every episode if you watch carefully) Buck is in a Stalag with other captured airmen

When he said "it's not our" he meant it was a different group. The British bombed at night.

The Norden Bomb site was a highly classified piece of equipment so destroying it was a top priority if the plane was going down with any chance the Germans could recover it.

Thanks Biss this is a Great show

You should know where the air sickness bag is 😊

It cant be that hard to figure out that they’re clearing out the lockers/bunks of the men who arent coming back, is it? Lol

at the end they are packing away the belongings of the missing or dead.

1883 is the series to react to.

Not seeing deaths on screen in my opinion helps the viewer to see the missions the way the ground based admistrators and support staff saw those missions. One minute theyre there on base with you, the next, they are just gone. Poof. Without a trace. Also, plot armor doesnt work in this series considering that 8th Air Force lost more personnel over just Europe than the entire Marine Corps lost in the entire war.

give the Buck story time

the jacket trade was fake. The guy going on the plane had an insulated jacket he traded for a plain leather jacket. He would have died of cold

Luck the jaket was lucky

The reason he traded jackets is because Buck never liked the one Bucky was wearing. So since Buck was dead or missing, Bucky thought it was bad luck to go up wearing that jacket, so he traded jackets to change his luck. Bucky said all that but you were too busy talking & missed hearing it.

Paking their belongings. Making sure nothing get sent home that might be embarrassing

This one was very heavy, and there was not your video to help grieving :(

I like older war movies and series better. One reason is that they actually had people in them from that time and not just current day people trying to play them. Acting and dialog always comes of as a bit not right somehow... influenced by todays behaviours and interractons at the core. Its a bit like getting todays actors to try and play an old Clint Eastwood western. It will not get the same vibe. Also they had to use actual planes if they wanted some good air cinematics in the older movies. Gave a whole other depth to it. Of course you couldnt do the same things as in a computer but it wasnt really needed.. They worked very well with what they had and everything felt much more real. Just my personal opinion. Not easy to do anything about.

@drummy2112

5 ай бұрын

For reference, watch Twelve o'clock High...I agree 100%

No one watches this

When did you get the impression that the Americans and British were going out on missions together

@peterireland4344

5 ай бұрын

It wasn't the normal deal, but it happened lots of times.