Massive pileup in the Blizzard shuts down I-94 in Albertville, MN - 12/23/2020

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

With most of the state of Minnesota under a Blizzard Warning, the weather quickly turned from blustery to freezing rain sleet and then to heavy snow with whiteout conditions in less then an hour this afternoon.
Footage from what was being called a several dozen multi vehicle pile up on Interstate 94 near Albertville, MN. Interstate 94 was shut down in both direction in this area for much of the afternoon and evening as crews worked late into the evening to try and clear scene.
Additional B-Roll of blowing snow, snow plows and high winds from around the area of Albertville and Monticello in Wright County.
Shot Description
00:00 - Driving in Whiteout Condition on Interstate 94.
00:55 - Scenes from the side of Interstate 94 of the massive pile up in the whiteout conditions.
02:05 - Snow plows driving towards the camera on a two lane road.
02:22 - Two long clips of the massive pile up and traffic backed up on Interstate 94 from the westbound lanes from two different camera angles.
05:17 - Huge American Flag blowing in the high winds in the Blizzard with heavy snow falling.
05:25 - Driving in whiteout conditions on Interstate 94.
05:41 - Passing a snow plow on the I94.
05:54 - SUV stuck in the ditch in the whiteout.
06:10 - White front wheel drive car in front of the chase truck spinning its wheels while trying to drive around a corner covered with deep snow.
06:34 - Two men push a stuck yellow vehicle out of a snow bank on the side of the road and get it back on the road for the driver.
06:59 - Two different road signs warning about the Blizzard.
SID: Doug Kiesling
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  • @standdown4929
    @standdown49293 жыл бұрын

    Glad I live in Phoenix, my MN friend sent me a video earlier on this blizzard crap, I got cold just watching it....I sent one to him, so he could warm up...

  • @earlc5990

    @earlc5990

    3 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of driving through blizzard conditions between Holbrook and Payson in 2005 at night. You couldn't see the road. The pucker factor went up.

  • @JohnSmith-fe3di
    @JohnSmith-fe3di3 жыл бұрын

    A few people in the comments say to stay at home and that you are foolish not to. They forget that the night shift exists. I had no choice but luckily my Honda Civic and I were able to make it to work through very careful driving.

  • @bluedogsurvive6501

    @bluedogsurvive6501

    3 жыл бұрын

    The majority of those ppl don’t need to be on the road! That’s what there saying

  • @jankirschke7425

    @jankirschke7425

    3 жыл бұрын

    My daughter was a teacher. Her school waited until conditions were terrible before they dismissed for the day. She got caught in the blizzard and had to spend many hours in her car. Very scary for anyone.

  • @timforbrook9169

    @timforbrook9169

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Bio Kimistry not really

  • @bearbear4030

    @bearbear4030

    3 жыл бұрын

    John Smith sooooo, all those people are the night shift? Come on...really?

  • @glennmartin8664

    @glennmartin8664

    3 жыл бұрын

    Greetings fellow nocturnal worker -- about to go in for a 16-hour double tonight. Stay safe!

  • @2fast65
    @2fast653 жыл бұрын

    What a mess i am a county plow driver of 21 years in central Mn i have never seen white out conditions like we did today we were going to run to 7:00 our boss called us off the roads at 6:00 because it was unsafe and we were loosing ground thanks to the troopers tow trucks and ems fire and every one on the scene here have a great day be safe and Merry Christmas.

  • @rowdyyeets4532

    @rowdyyeets4532

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all that you guys do for us drivers. I'm a trucker and I really appreciate it. May God bless you all.

  • @annahgibbus8

    @annahgibbus8

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow 21 years experience and this has been the worst. I'm glad you're ok and Merry Christmas to you and yours 💝🎄☃️🎁

  • @minnesota7010

    @minnesota7010

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @shrewd1245

    @shrewd1245

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all that you guys do!!!! I've lived in the Twin Cities for 50+ years and when it comes to winter, and winter driving, have seen a lot!!!! Not as much as what you have, I'm sure. But yesterday was one of those times that words do not do justice. Those winds were fierce. But if there is one thing I'll never understand is why some people think that just because they have AWD or 4 wheel drive, that they are somehow invincible. It never fails!!!! I can only imagine the stories you could tell. Thanks again for everything. All the best!!!!

  • @ashleighjaimaosborne3966

    @ashleighjaimaosborne3966

    3 жыл бұрын

    Be safe. 😊🇨🇦

  • @evabartlett4599
    @evabartlett45993 жыл бұрын

    In Minnesota. So glad we got groceries early in the day and are staying home!

  • @codyflowers8758
    @codyflowers87583 жыл бұрын

    I hope everyone is ok and give credit to all emergency units coming to aid. Police,fire,ambulance,tow operators, and plow drivers. Drove tow truck for 12 years in southern Minnesota and this was one of the worst I can remember

  • @rudymora8848
    @rudymora88483 жыл бұрын

    My gosh everyone please SLOW DOWN on THE HIGHWAYS & treacherous roads. Better yet, stay home.

  • @rcnelson

    @rcnelson

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Nanny Covid.

  • @philhunt9297

    @philhunt9297

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're asking some people to use common sense - just a shame those who fail to use common sense aren't held fully responsible for their actions. Utopia doesn't exist unfortunately

  • @syvang2334

    @syvang2334

    3 жыл бұрын

    Most of these people are coming from work Yesterday i had to send two poeple home before the storm. Work place need to close business down when a storm is coming

  • @cargotoolshop5319

    @cargotoolshop5319

    3 жыл бұрын

    @chris they actually outlaw studded snow tires, I have a step that I can't use

  • @theoakhills

    @theoakhills

    3 жыл бұрын

    SLOW down and get the middle finger! Why I own this road.....

  • @frankianthony155
    @frankianthony1553 жыл бұрын

    I won't ever get on a highway, when the weather is like this!

  • @brianwaller9454

    @brianwaller9454

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was in a similar conditions a few days ago not nearly as bad but visibility was poor and i got off the freeway and waited it out. If it was forecasted to be whiteout conditions I would of never left the house

  • @theoakhills

    @theoakhills

    3 жыл бұрын

    thank you....now run for President.

  • @tophauler8626

    @tophauler8626

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can't understand why they keep hammered down n this every year

  • @teresafarrell6457

    @teresafarrell6457

    3 жыл бұрын

    Your blessed you don't HAVE to. If only we all had that luxury. Now, there's one more thing for you to be grateful for. 👍

  • @bearbear4030

    @bearbear4030

    3 жыл бұрын

    Frank Kovac me either. I’ve called off work just to avoid this type of situation. I have ONE vehicle, I’m NOT RISKING my car, I’ll lose my life before I lose my only vehicle!

  • @ThePlayerToBeNamedLater
    @ThePlayerToBeNamedLater3 жыл бұрын

    Drove down to Anoka today at 9:30 am clear and bright. On the way back at 11am drove through rain then freezing rain with cars off the road and finally whiteout conditions. Drive home 30 mph for the best part of that journey. And for those that criticize others for being on the road, plenty of us are traveling for work. Not all of us have jobs that can be done from home or even changed to do so when there's a storm approaching.

  • @franklinbolander1916

    @franklinbolander1916

    3 жыл бұрын

    GARTH,U SPEAKE THE TRUTH BUDDY...I HAD TO DRIVE 34 MILES TO AND FROM WORK IN THIS MESS UP HERE IN NE MINNESOTA!!

  • @erhardbaehni1832

    @erhardbaehni1832

    3 жыл бұрын

    So your work contract does spell out you have to but yourself or other in danger. Hope your so important job pays well .

  • @maryhartsock7792

    @maryhartsock7792

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@erhardbaehni1832 actually it’s the opposite. A lot of people with fast food or retail jobs that offer little or no benefits and meager pay are expected to come to work...no matter the weather. Show up or you’re fired. That’s why many restaurant workers go to work sick. They don’t have sick days. They might live paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford to lose a job. Yes, people will say “get a better job.” But that’s not fair, it isn’t that easy. Luckily. I worked in a bank that treated me very well. Even though I felt guilty for not going to work in ice or snow, it wasn’t held against me. The bottom line for me was I didn’t make enough to risk my life or my car.

  • @marymcatee8475

    @marymcatee8475

    3 жыл бұрын

    So glad you made it home safe. Been in situations like that. It comes in so fast.

  • @nancymcmillan3158

    @nancymcmillan3158

    3 жыл бұрын

    You were safe and driving slowly.Your not the person who would cause the wreck,but you could have been hurt by the speeding fool who would.Glad you made it home safe and sound.

  • @sagansrun2932
    @sagansrun29323 жыл бұрын

    I lived in southern Wyoming for 10 yrs and had to commute on I-80 43 miles between Rawlins and Wamsutter. It was so scary in the winter. Saw so many wrecks..I left to go back home south central Texas..I felt I was so lucky to not be involved in a horrible crash during those years. I don't miss it at all. This is what I saw on almost a daily basis going to and from work.

  • @brifreeman5399

    @brifreeman5399

    3 жыл бұрын

    I got stranded in Rawlins last year during a storm! Was terrifying.

  • @duva9704

    @duva9704

    3 жыл бұрын

    Rawlins is always bad for sure

  • @maxpower9499

    @maxpower9499

    3 жыл бұрын

    Having spent over 50 winters in Colorado and the mountains, it only took one time of seeing the madness of I-80 in WY to never ever want to anywhere near it during any kind of weather.

  • @garyhilton3341

    @garyhilton3341

    3 жыл бұрын

    Living in Rawlins is an unforgettable experience...and you will never forget the winters on I-80! I drove truck in between Sinclair and Little America delivering fuel twice a day...

  • @chelseagriffin3148
    @chelseagriffin31483 жыл бұрын

    For everyone who can't just "stay home", please drive slowly & safely in these conditions!

  • @MinneFab

    @MinneFab

    3 жыл бұрын

    right? so many people just saying, why are you even out driving!!!!.. uh some people have to work. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to F off at home whenever a little nature rolls in. shout out to all the first responders and lineman out in the storm👊

  • @chelseagriffin3148

    @chelseagriffin3148

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MinneFab yeah exactly alot of ppl are essential & some can't afford to just stay home I saw so many comments like that... ppl are so absent minded

  • @thewanderer9144
    @thewanderer91443 жыл бұрын

    I'll take Pele, a mild manner volcano here on the Big Island of Hawaii blowing up in my face than to have to deal with those weather conditions, holy moley! I'm so grateful for the 80 plus degree weather today with some vog. Hope people are okay. Be safe everybody, sending Aloha and love to all you wonderful peeps in MN.

  • @shrewd1245

    @shrewd1245

    3 жыл бұрын

    What I'd give to be on a beautiful beach in Hawaii right about now......... One upside to this is that at least we in the "Land of 10,000 Lakes" are guaranteed a "white Christmas." All the best to our Hawaiian friends, and a big "You Betcha" from Minnesota!!!!

  • @leoross5777

    @leoross5777

    3 жыл бұрын

    'mild mannered volcano'

  • @coryanderson8990
    @coryanderson89903 жыл бұрын

    Be safe. Thank you for reports. God bless

  • @suecapra5005
    @suecapra50053 жыл бұрын

    We had horrible winds here in eastern Colorado, knew it had to be bad north of here. God protect the poor people.

  • @annahgibbus8

    @annahgibbus8

    3 жыл бұрын

    Greetings from Chicago. Crazy strong winds here since yesterday. The house squeeking like an old ship or something. LoL Yesterday was 57 and now it's 18 degrees, no snow, but brrrr.

  • @beckystevens5591

    @beckystevens5591

    3 жыл бұрын

    We did too north of Denver! This just horrible a few days before Christmas.

  • @raymundogonzalez4963
    @raymundogonzalez49633 жыл бұрын

    I just drove through this bless them and thank god for my safety

  • @leviathantoobz
    @leviathantoobz3 жыл бұрын

    I was driving home in the snow in this same storm a few hours ago and someone was driving in the oncoming lane.... I had to slam on my brakes it was that bad of white out conditions. Luckily no one was hurt...

  • @MADMAX-vd8pr

    @MADMAX-vd8pr

    3 жыл бұрын

    We are 138

  • @marliesyanke4580

    @marliesyanke4580

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are lucky to be home safe now.

  • @cutefeet63

    @cutefeet63

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well if u see that the weather is bad then wouldn't common sense tell u to stay home?

  • @ceruleanc505

    @ceruleanc505

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cutefeet63 That's right!! What happened to erring on the side of caution? Don't people reason any more?

  • @jasonsabourin2275

    @jasonsabourin2275

    3 жыл бұрын

    You need to have "20 Eyes" in your head.

  • @seanofto
    @seanofto3 жыл бұрын

    What a bad situation. Hope everyone is safe.

  • @saucejohnson9862

    @saucejohnson9862

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I’d say so, I made it to the liquor store and they weren’t even open. And that’s in Duluth, on a hill!

  • @flyinglego34

    @flyinglego34

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m a resident in the area this is focused on, the visibility sucked and i had to help dig people out every 5 mins. As this morning, I’ve measured at 16 inches of snow, 45inch snowdrifts and one 5ft snow drift on my driveway

  • @marliesyanke4580

    @marliesyanke4580

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh that's funny

  • @jennifers6471

    @jennifers6471

    3 жыл бұрын

    My prayers are with everyone. 🙏♥️🙏

  • @freedomseeds8194

    @freedomseeds8194

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@flyinglego34 I'm a trucker, I just turned down a load to St. Paul. I would have taken me right through there on 94. I've driven in plenty of blizzards, I trust myself. I don't however trust other people's driving. Most people have no business on the road in a blizzard.

  • @codlogic7060
    @codlogic70603 жыл бұрын

    Lets be thankful that this is the first real real bad snowstorm we got this year. Well at least where I live in MN...

  • @codlogic7060

    @codlogic7060

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Bio Kimistry I mean to me the other bits of snow weren't that bad. This was to me at least the first really bad one this year compared to previous years

  • @thomaspaquette9991

    @thomaspaquette9991

    3 жыл бұрын

    We had two events in October with similar road conditions. The road temps were warm enough when it started snowing that there was an initial melt and then flash freeze. Yesterday was pretty epic and yes conditions were worse.

  • @robsorgdrager8477

    @robsorgdrager8477

    3 жыл бұрын

    We had a fair amount in anoka/ramsey area. I am amazed at the people that have lived here their whole life still can't drive in this stuff . I put the blizzaks on the awd v8 charger and I find driving in this crap quite relaxing 😎

  • @codlogic7060

    @codlogic7060

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@robsorgdrager8477 That is a very true statement. I'm only 19 and it amazes me that people are so careless or just don't know how to drive in extreme weather

  • @angeleyes9541
    @angeleyes95413 жыл бұрын

    I am originally from this area and know this hyway all too well. I do not miss this at all. Praying everyone is at home safely after this. Praying.

  • @gloriajones1548
    @gloriajones15483 жыл бұрын

    May God look over you and bless yall 🙏

  • @Mozart1220

    @Mozart1220

    3 жыл бұрын

    If there were a god....oh forget it, people like you cannot be taught.

  • @jollyandwaylo

    @jollyandwaylo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Your god sent the storm, didn't he?

  • @marty9660

    @marty9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    No evidence of god, just endless contradictions. sorry to say.

  • @lucasceleste4743
    @lucasceleste47433 жыл бұрын

    Stay home if you can people. Please. For everyone's safety.

  • @davidrasch3082

    @davidrasch3082

    3 жыл бұрын

    I will not let weather spoil my Christmas family get together.

  • @The_Animal_Man
    @The_Animal_Man3 жыл бұрын

    Sad thing is that I see some people litterally trying to go as fast as they can in these conditions and end up getting someone hurt

  • @goji059

    @goji059

    3 жыл бұрын

    following to close...and idiots that stop when someone goes off the road

  • @geraldhoffman2606

    @geraldhoffman2606

    3 жыл бұрын

    And they crash and block the road

  • @Bhaisthenruas

    @Bhaisthenruas

    3 жыл бұрын

    No smith system

  • @gargar8196

    @gargar8196

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have seen over and over again people driving crazy with no common sense Don’t know how they have lived this long

  • @leemartin9156

    @leemartin9156

    3 жыл бұрын

    Many times the people causing these go unscathed just leaving destruction in their path....

  • @armindafortney8405
    @armindafortney84053 жыл бұрын

    My heart goes out to the people who have suffered in those car accident.

  • @melindasnaps9816

    @melindasnaps9816

    3 жыл бұрын

    1 died and a bunch were injured. But its amazing more didn't die

  • @TinmanCarnival

    @TinmanCarnival

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@melindasnaps9816 nobody died in this crash, there were only a few minor injuries.

  • @johnblanck6537

    @johnblanck6537

    3 жыл бұрын

    I stay home and get high

  • @deniseprettner2020
    @deniseprettner20203 жыл бұрын

    I drove to McDonald’s in the rain from my home 3 miles. On the way home the wind kicked up and the snow flakes were dime size. Only in Minnesota. Stay safe folks.

  • @brikshoe6259

    @brikshoe6259

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are lucky; the snowflakes here are people size!

  • @elainebmack

    @elainebmack

    3 жыл бұрын

    The weather can change so quickly. I'm glad you got home safely.

  • @steveb6103

    @steveb6103

    3 жыл бұрын

    The day started 40° and calm. It started raining at noon .The temperature started dropping by 2PM it was 20°. At 3:30 it had started to snow and the winds were gusting to 60mph. By 4PM we had whiteout conditions. At times I couldn't see the house across the street! Northeast part of the Twin Cities.

  • @iancanuckistan2244
    @iancanuckistan22443 жыл бұрын

    "I think I'll skip the winter tires this year. The weatherman predicted a mild season."

  • @ASTMA193
    @ASTMA1933 жыл бұрын

    What a horrible start to the holidays. Stay safe everyone!

  • @69zenos1

    @69zenos1

    3 жыл бұрын

    I is winter. This is par for the couese in them there parts...

  • @gillybean5672
    @gillybean56723 жыл бұрын

    How frightening. I hope everyone heals quickly, physically and mentally.

  • @suzystone244
    @suzystone2443 жыл бұрын

    I was a truck driver years ago. I-94 is a bad one. Please people be so careful. I'm praying for these folks.

  • @psu7276
    @psu72763 жыл бұрын

    Hope everyone is safe, considering the horrific conditions.

  • @destroygaryfunky7053
    @destroygaryfunky70533 жыл бұрын

    I can't even imagine spending the night stranded on a highway in a blizzard.

  • @kantwinnada

    @kantwinnada

    3 жыл бұрын

    Scary thought.

  • @coldweather4066

    @coldweather4066

    3 жыл бұрын

    Happened to me many times the worst nightmare

  • @froglick28

    @froglick28

    3 жыл бұрын

    That’s why u prepare put snacks and water in the car and heavy blankets and get some of those hand warmers . Also kitty litter cheap stuff and rock salt

  • @xdxdxdxd1643

    @xdxdxdxd1643

    3 жыл бұрын

    The guy with the Ice Castle is set.

  • @daniellibich1376

    @daniellibich1376

    3 жыл бұрын

    With the few had wished they were to have stayed home in inclement weather when forecast was for a snow storm and or freezing rain had them know it isn't worth their life to go out. With the few still driving like its still summer when they are wishing they would have stayed home if caught in a pileup.

  • @robertkeefer1552
    @robertkeefer15523 жыл бұрын

    Please slow down in those conditions. Have good winter tires and stay home if possible.

  • @mrelmachete68

    @mrelmachete68

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@godbluffvdgg you forget the funeral homes they have to eat too greetings

  • @DC-dc6ey

    @DC-dc6ey

    3 жыл бұрын

    People don’t like to be told what to do, especially when there’s a price tag. Snow tires seem to always fall into that category 🙄😕

  • @rockgod2131

    @rockgod2131

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DC-dc6ey Well, admittedly, they aren't cheap. Most people didn't have 500 bucks for an emergency expense and that was before the pandemic.

  • @DC-dc6ey

    @DC-dc6ey

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rockgod2131 that’s why I don’t own them myself 🤭

  • @timforbrook9169

    @timforbrook9169

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DC-dc6ey really ? Hmmm never ever had a set in my life cause I know how to drive in this

  • @teresafarrell6457
    @teresafarrell64573 жыл бұрын

    I'm thirty seconds into this and all I can think is God bless our first responders. ALL of them on all fronts. Hopefully the folks involved will recover and heal emotionally as well as physically. They have a long road ahead. Praying for all involved and affected.

  • @ruffneck376
    @ruffneck3763 жыл бұрын

    And you look at the guy next to you, and you gotta think, hes going through the same thing, but your in it together, at least you got him and hes got you. Together. God bless

  • @scottmayhew2227
    @scottmayhew22273 жыл бұрын

    The roads were no joke on this one.

  • @donnariggs1567
    @donnariggs15673 жыл бұрын

    Imagine doing this job...please keep everyone safe and protected!!!!

  • @whitsixkiller
    @whitsixkiller3 жыл бұрын

    I've lived my entire life in Phoenix Arizona. I can't even comprehend this.

  • @edylcnostrebor9722
    @edylcnostrebor97223 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your services .God Bless you all

  • @rebeccarhodes6611
    @rebeccarhodes66113 жыл бұрын

    This is why you should slow down and stop driving with your foot on your brain.

  • @RSDX99

    @RSDX99

    3 жыл бұрын

    half the drivers are driving 20 mph over the limit so when they slow down for ice or snow they are doing the limit or slightly over . You can't fix stupid.

  • @johnpenley

    @johnpenley

    3 жыл бұрын

    But, But I have all wheel drive and ABS brakes...and I'm a great driver!! 😑

  • @blablabla1185

    @blablabla1185

    3 жыл бұрын

    Stay at home. Avoid any travel in this condition.

  • @leadnsteel1428

    @leadnsteel1428

    3 жыл бұрын

    And get winter tires

  • @theoakhills

    @theoakhills

    3 жыл бұрын

    no this is why you STAY home....mandated by Gov. Morons with NO traction.

  • @catjuice8420
    @catjuice84203 жыл бұрын

    The real problem is someone is always driving like its summer time and that causes a very bad chain reaction. I was out to Walmart and an SUV, was tailgating me.

  • @Mozart1220

    @Mozart1220

    3 жыл бұрын

    I lived in Utah for 15 years where there is snow 8 months out of the year. EVERY YEAR People forget how to drive in the snow as if they have never seen it before.

  • @user-pe2yx9kt4e

    @user-pe2yx9kt4e

    3 жыл бұрын

    I hate this so much

  • @mdrydan7929

    @mdrydan7929

    3 жыл бұрын

    In blizzard conditions its almost impossible to avoid this situation. I live here and it is hard

  • @mdrydan7929

    @mdrydan7929

    3 жыл бұрын

    Semi truck blowing snow in the opposite direction equals zero visibility.....especially in a corner

  • @michaelprofit3660

    @michaelprofit3660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Mozart1220 Yup I know you're right.

  • @confusedwhynot
    @confusedwhynot3 жыл бұрын

    I am praying for all involved. I lost my brother-in-law almost three years ago in a freak storm in Nebraska. He was driving a semi truck. He was so disfigured from the crash they had to cremate him. It was a complete shock.

  • @nananay8267

    @nananay8267

    3 жыл бұрын

    So very sorry for your loss. These storms are tough.

  • @lruss2004
    @lruss20043 жыл бұрын

    Them: All-season tires work just fine in snow. Blizzard: Hold my beer.

  • @rollingacresfarmstead206

    @rollingacresfarmstead206

    3 жыл бұрын

    usually aint the tires but the nut behind the wheel. Thats where most of the problems begin and end. then again there was plenty of warning and people refuse to plan ahead

  • @lruss2004

    @lruss2004

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rollingacresfarmstead206 ok, if you think snow tires don't make a difference at all

  • @andrewwhittaker7016

    @andrewwhittaker7016

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have had all season tires for 10 years now. Not once has any of my vehicles met the ditch

  • @Abandoned_Brane

    @Abandoned_Brane

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@lruss2004 wow, what a dishonest statement.

  • @lruss2004

    @lruss2004

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Abandoned_Brane which statement?

  • @jt1364
    @jt13643 жыл бұрын

    What a freakin' mess. They need firefighters and EMS with Arctic gear.

  • @lifepresent3183

    @lifepresent3183

    3 жыл бұрын

    What's Arctic gear?

  • @marliesyanke4580

    @marliesyanke4580

    3 жыл бұрын

    These brave helpers called, Minnesota Nice. But I'm glad not to live there anymore.

  • @jsuperman7672

    @jsuperman7672

    3 жыл бұрын

    Firefighters need people to slow down in this weather, instead of driving 100mph, your putting us in danger,

  • @LydiAtheistLady
    @LydiAtheistLady3 жыл бұрын

    This must be terrifying for everyone involved.

  • @davidlodiemyer5698
    @davidlodiemyer56983 жыл бұрын

    When isn't there a massive pile up in the winter on that stretch of highway really.

  • @johnwilliamduke4110
    @johnwilliamduke41103 жыл бұрын

    “I thought you could drive 70 mph during a blizzard on snow-packed roads”.

  • @leoross5777

    @leoross5777

    3 жыл бұрын

    yes, but only in a four wheel drive,. they make you stop faster..or something..

  • @savedbyJESUS777
    @savedbyJESUS7773 жыл бұрын

    Prayers nobody was seriously hurt!!!! 💖💖 *IF YOU SEE SNOW & ICE ARE STARTING TO FORM, SLOW DOWN, DON'T SPEED UP, ACTUALLY, DON'T EVEN DO THE SPEED LIMIT!!!!*

  • @robinthompson5732
    @robinthompson57323 жыл бұрын

    Prayers up for all out there . Blessings

  • @Mozart1220

    @Mozart1220

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, chanting to your imaginary friend will help.

  • @hottiemplsmn
    @hottiemplsmn3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for posting this.

  • @sandy_sd10
    @sandy_sd103 жыл бұрын

    It was horrible out, these poor people Hopefully everyone is okay.

  • @christopherlee5719

    @christopherlee5719

    3 жыл бұрын

    being there is a blizzard warning why are they out there

  • @shrewd1245

    @shrewd1245

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@christopherlee5719 There were those who had to go to work (not able to work from home), that combined with the day starting out rather balmy (by Minnesota standards anyway) with temps in the mid 40's combined with the fact that the precipitation didn't really get going until noon or so. Also, the Twin Cities metro area is bigger than many think: 3.25 million. Combine all that and it can be a recipe for disaster. Yesterday that recipe came together quite nicely. The sun is out today, but the temp right now is 0 degrees. Yep.......ZERO!!! That will wake one up real fast the second you step outside.

  • @christopherlee5719

    @christopherlee5719

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shrewd1245 and as I said I get that part, and I know some of us have to b in this. I drive 600 miles a day give or take 10-20 do to my long history of being on the road I would gather to say alot of people do senseless driving I do have some examples.

  • @shrewd1245

    @shrewd1245

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@christopherlee5719 I met no offense with my comment. My bad if I came across as such. So, 600 miles a day?? Now that is some serious driving. I can only imagine what you have seen and experienced. You should write a book. Good to know you're okay. Stay safe and Happy Holidays!!!

  • @cellphone7223

    @cellphone7223

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Nephtsys "and decent all weather tires" 😂😂

  • @RaccoonNation
    @RaccoonNation3 жыл бұрын

    God please watch over those that are traveling.

  • @Mozart1220

    @Mozart1220

    3 жыл бұрын

    If there were a god there would not be idiots that try and drive during a blizzard. Of course there would be no covid or even people like Trump for that matter.

  • @ellenokland2028

    @ellenokland2028

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Mozart1220 I like your type of thinking... well done

  • @EugeneYus

    @EugeneYus

    3 жыл бұрын

    How does god allow bad things to happen stop asking it to do magic

  • @JanBee1122

    @JanBee1122

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ellenokland2028 Shame on both of you. Only a hateful Liberal could turn this tragedy into something about Trump. Derangement syndrome on full display.

  • @jollyandwaylo

    @jollyandwaylo

    3 жыл бұрын

    God is always watching, he likes to watch people suffer, that's why he sent the storm.

  • @nascarconnor1254
    @nascarconnor12543 жыл бұрын

    Blizzard, *occuring* People, “Must drive faster to get home!”

  • @lsmith2129

    @lsmith2129

    3 жыл бұрын

    Here in New York it rains and people crawl and dont get in the right lane to let people pass,thusly creating road rage and accidents

  • @johnwilliamduke4110

    @johnwilliamduke4110

    3 жыл бұрын

    “Snowflake Driving in a Blizzard”: drive faster to get home, talk on the phone when driving, make sure mocha latte doesn’t get cold doing so.

  • @karenscholz7095
    @karenscholz70953 жыл бұрын

    I was in big WI pile up in Feb 2019. The sun was shining on either side of the accident. Wind created micro blizzard. Drove slowly into white out and there was accident. Total ice inside. No stopping. Very scary especially when struck from behind from someone going 70. Glad to be alive!!

  • @ryanhighberg4662
    @ryanhighberg46623 жыл бұрын

    Took me 2 hours to get from Hopkins to Annandale through this storm yesterday night. One of the top 5 blizzards I've commuted in.

  • @naturalverities
    @naturalverities3 жыл бұрын

    "I can drive in this stuff ya shoor yu betcha!"

  • @kentcruse4969

    @kentcruse4969

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's the other guy that's gonna getcha'!

  • @armand-bk2vb

    @armand-bk2vb

    3 жыл бұрын

    No such thing as shoor. That's not a word.

  • @kentcruse4969

    @kentcruse4969

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@armand-bk2vb ya, shoor!

  • @deneseweatherby7378
    @deneseweatherby73783 жыл бұрын

    I'm from East Texas. I haven't ever seen snow like that.i hope everyone is ok.

  • @georgezeins1958

    @georgezeins1958

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's not the snow. It rained at about 11am and then it got super windy and cold n hr later, the roads where insanely slick!

  • @MYKNFURFC

    @MYKNFURFC

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's just another winter here in MN.😂

  • @michelepastele5347

    @michelepastele5347

    3 жыл бұрын

    this is just the start of a minnesota winter ... February and March are the snowiest months. In the older part of Minneapolis, many people have to use alleys to get into their garages. That is a HUGE challenge since you often get stuck going down the alley!

  • @ericf4985
    @ericf49853 жыл бұрын

    I was driving a semi through this blizzard and actually passed this accident. Way too many people were out-driving the visibility. If you can only see 100 feet, you can only go 30mph, otherwise you might as well just close your eyes and hope nothing’s there because once you see an obstacle, it’s already too late. I was able to stop in time, many people going fast were not. Stay safe!

  • @leemartin9156
    @leemartin91563 жыл бұрын

    Some of these storm conditions come up fast - a little snow to white out in seconds. Most people drive in snow during winter up north with no big issue. Be safe, stay home if you can, and Thank You to all who are working this Holiday Season.

  • @omarkokh5736
    @omarkokh57363 жыл бұрын

    May God save n protect everyone ,,

  • @klypz2175

    @klypz2175

    3 жыл бұрын

    Gods not real sorry

  • @Mozart1220

    @Mozart1220

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah,because when people get hurt the ambulances take them straight to church.

  • @rcnelson
    @rcnelson3 жыл бұрын

    Someday a budding entrepreneur will go up and down the highway during a storm like this selling hot chocolate and coffee.

  • @TammieBuckeye
    @TammieBuckeye3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this. We hear about bad weather but to see it first hand.. WOW

  • @absolutetruthgirl
    @absolutetruthgirl3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the warning. I'm travelling on christmas day and will pack a go bag in case of snow. Hope everyone got out of this one safely.

  • @madisonone8929
    @madisonone89293 жыл бұрын

    Apparently no one watched weather report about blizzard & winds 🥶

  • @shrewd1245

    @shrewd1245

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh, they saw the advisories and warnings just fine. Thing is there are always those who believe that somehow it does not apply to them. They think that it's everyone else who doesn't know how to drive (and that all other drivers should automatically be aware of their glaring shortcomings), and because they have either AWD, or 4 wheel drive, that they are not affected by the snow and/or ice. It's the same thing every winter.

  • @paradysetrezvant5001

    @paradysetrezvant5001

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shrewd1245 this is so true. Suv and trucks with all wheel drive are the main ones speeding and the main ones in the damn ditch.

  • @bradleybest3984

    @bradleybest3984

    3 жыл бұрын

    The word didn’t just stop because of weather

  • @Michael-kv9vw
    @Michael-kv9vw3 жыл бұрын

    Was it covid related?

  • @kentcruse4969

    @kentcruse4969

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, essential workers ;-)

  • @kadinsipple2538
    @kadinsipple25383 жыл бұрын

    My whole town was out of power for almost 24 hours because of this storm. Been with power for the last 3 hours now.

  • @YvogaAZ
    @YvogaAZ3 жыл бұрын

    Oh JESUS!!! I'm so happy I live in the Sonoran Desert!!

  • @ascarygrunt
    @ascarygrunt3 жыл бұрын

    I want to know how much money that 9 mile stretch between Albertville and Monticello has cost insurance companies in the last 3 months.

  • @sidsid9808

    @sidsid9808

    3 жыл бұрын

    Insurance companies have made millions from those who drive safely.

  • @tracieroberts6323

    @tracieroberts6323

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sidsid9808 true. 💖

  • @sophierobinson2738

    @sophierobinson2738

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not near as much as they get raising rates?

  • @tomschloesser4787

    @tomschloesser4787

    3 жыл бұрын

    Right? I live in Albertville just south of the outlet mall so I know what you're talking about.

  • @jimicmore1895

    @jimicmore1895

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tomschloesser4787 still snowing? How many inches to rcve

  • @robertestevan9460
    @robertestevan94603 жыл бұрын

    Why can't people understand to slow down in a snowstorm. I forget their to busy on their cell phones?

  • @jaredbonefas1567

    @jaredbonefas1567

    3 жыл бұрын

    Have you not been in a white out condition snow storm snow?

  • @geovanicaballero5914

    @geovanicaballero5914

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because people on this days don’t care about people that what the problem

  • @mfibonacci5275

    @mfibonacci5275

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure most people weren't on their phones. It hit fast this storm/blizzard. Went from 40 degrees to below zero high winds whiteout can't see and roads were ice and snow drifts. A slight touch of your brakes and you slid all over. It wasn't a typical icy road situation

  • @seanomanary5691

    @seanomanary5691

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm a trucker the thing is...ur brakes are useless they'll only make you slide....if you insist on driving in this ice rink be very careful actually manual transmission is safer then automatic transmission using gears as ur brakes ...slowing down ur engine rather then slowing ur tires...down shifting is a skill that can actually save ur life...

  • @Vampybattie

    @Vampybattie

    3 жыл бұрын

    Have you ever experienced winter or blizzard?

  • @johnstonlarry
    @johnstonlarry3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting. Much better than the news

  • @leemartin9156
    @leemartin91563 жыл бұрын

    To all the EMT/Paramedics Tow Truck Drivers Fire and Police that take care of us in this insanity, Thank you all.

  • @claytontmiller8124
    @claytontmiller81243 жыл бұрын

    Been driving in it all day finally shut down by iowa line cause 35 down theres been closed to due to pileup

  • @Mozart1220

    @Mozart1220

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, because no one in Minnesota has ever seen snow before.

  • @teamslaiyans3808
    @teamslaiyans38083 жыл бұрын

    Just got home, was super bad from Plymouth 169 down to Brooklyn Park, nothing but cars in ditches.......

  • @kantwinnada

    @kantwinnada

    3 жыл бұрын

    Happy to hear you made it home safely

  • @paulnelson7525
    @paulnelson75253 жыл бұрын

    It is always this stretch of I-94 from Rogers to Monticello. Every big snowstorm there is a pile-up involving a semi. It never fails.

  • @sythainthisane
    @sythainthisane3 жыл бұрын

    I know and understand what is happening to our world at this age. Be careful, stay alert, and know what we do and where we go. As our world is changing for the better, it is full of love, peace, and compassion.

  • @pamelanadel3787
    @pamelanadel37873 жыл бұрын

    I know that those living in the northern Midwest states are familiar with snow storm conditions, but please drive slower. Make sure you have adequate supplies. Food for a day, water, blankets, full tanks of gas and necessary toiletry items. You could be stuck for many hours.

  • @timforbrook9169

    @timforbrook9169

    3 жыл бұрын

    Your the first comment ever that made sense. I've grown up in this all my life it's second nature to me

  • @wdzu
    @wdzu3 жыл бұрын

    Hope everyone is staying safe

  • @mulemouse
    @mulemouse3 жыл бұрын

    spending 30 years in Texas I remember snow tires being loud recaps. Moving here, using all season tires last year, I wasn't pleased with the performance in the snow, so I got some Tiger paw snow tires. The technology to make a good snow tire even for a sports car, makes winter driving less frightening at times, and sometimes fun. I'm stuck in the snow a drift in front of the garage door.

  • @nadinemakinson1934
    @nadinemakinson19343 жыл бұрын

    Many blessings to all of those involved with helping the accident victims. ✌💖⭐🥰

  • @MrPhotodoc
    @MrPhotodoc3 жыл бұрын

    I'm sick and my kids are home because the school has no food. The church agency said I need papers for help. My little girl need medicine I can't get because I got no insurance. I'm American so I'm begging for some help because we need to go to court for the rent.

  • @jjwalter5897
    @jjwalter58973 жыл бұрын

    It's bad enough to have people stranded in the cold and injured, but I really feel bad for the first responders, too. Attending a crash in good weather is hard enough. This is brutal. Thanks heroes!

  • @rhuephus

    @rhuephus

    3 жыл бұрын

    how do you "attend" a crash ?? like "attending" class ??

  • @jjwalter5897

    @jjwalter5897

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rhuephus Attend ~ 1. be present at (an event, meeting, or function). 2. deal with. You should read the dictionary. It has all the other books in it.

  • @wasabiginger6993
    @wasabiginger69933 жыл бұрын

    wow, what a major mess! reminds me of when I was in a blizzard once trying to get to Alta UT from CA in 70’s and was almost there until for some unknown reason to me, my 66 stang went into a slow spin off of I-5 just after Provo ... thank GOD no other vehicles around!!! ... turned out that one of my tires had been punctured by a large nail! ... so staying home or delaying a trip moe bettah! ... (gosh back in those days, no cell phones either!) Hope no one lost their life here ... with many many blessings to the all the emergency crews!!! 💕💕💕💕

  • @thatappgirl9701
    @thatappgirl97013 жыл бұрын

    Living near I-94 is scary! Coming from Otsego after working was just a mess (essential worker, had to work) Lots of cars on the ditches and on the sides of the roads. Ice and the rushing 65+ mph winds made my drive very uneasy. Took it very very slow. I took all back-ways home. Seeing I-94 in a standstill was enough for me to not go out after. Always drive with precaution and stay home if you can!

  • @overtaxedinmn5913
    @overtaxedinmn59133 жыл бұрын

    Moral of the story is drive faster and text while driving

  • @broham89

    @broham89

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hallelujah

  • @brettjohnson8009

    @brettjohnson8009

    3 жыл бұрын

    And when the Highway Patrol says "no travel advised " people keep traveling because what they have to do is way more important than being alive the next day

  • @shrewd1245

    @shrewd1245

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sadly, there are those who would actually believe you.

  • @bryanb7255

    @bryanb7255

    3 жыл бұрын

    Don’t forget your passenger aka, case of beer.

  • @dans4900

    @dans4900

    3 жыл бұрын

    If a problem occurs the speed helps you get through the ditch.

  • @pinkrose5796
    @pinkrose57963 жыл бұрын

    PLEASE SLOW DOWN!!! Also keep EMERGENCY and WINTER great on your car with you. Best to keep it in the front seat instead of the truck ( in case you get rear ended)! Extra jacket, blanket, warm socks, winter boots, gloves, hat, scarf, water, food ( just something to keep you got in case you're stuck there for a few hours, fire extinguisher, shovel, cat litter( if you're stuck)book, phone charger, phone, etc. MREs are pretty good and you can hear them up, nice to have warm food. Also toilet paper:) Ski googles come in handy also. Warning triangles. STAY SAFE and stay warm!!! Jumper cables. If you have kids, I suggest a whistle that each child keeps in their pocket or around their neck. I got a few at REI ( sound carries pretty good distance and with wind). Easy to get lost in white out conditions and you don't want frostbite or your kids turning into a popsicle:)

  • @jamesmiller7283

    @jamesmiller7283

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh ! For wen they innertubing down th shoulder of th freeway ! Gotcha !

  • @Chacolite
    @Chacolite3 жыл бұрын

    I was BLESSED to have a job that allowed employees to take a vacation day when we got snow. In VA., we rarely get snow like this and most people who aren't from VA say that we don't know how to drive in and I don't. Never had to drive in it at 61. Work from home or take a vacation day.

  • @tomschloesser4787
    @tomschloesser47873 жыл бұрын

    I live in Albertville {right by this accident scene as a matter of fact}. I left for work in 46 degree weather yesterday morning and returned home after work to 13 degree weather and 60mph winds. Probably the worst driving conditions I've ever been in. It took me three hours to drive 44 miles and those were the back roads!

  • @tonya7561
    @tonya75613 жыл бұрын

    Wow! That's the snow you stay at home unless you absolutely have to go out in!

  • @nananay8267

    @nananay8267

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's more like rain turn to sleet then snow then poor visibility dropping temps quickly even going slow I was unable to stop in this mess we had. Thank God I was not on this road and I was going 5 mph it was so icy made it hard to stop

  • @tommyboy71
    @tommyboy713 жыл бұрын

    I guess that’s the only way some people can learn. The HARD WAY. Slow down and don’t pass.

  • @bigcummins6154
    @bigcummins61543 жыл бұрын

    God bless all emergency responders! Law enforcement, firefighters rescue squad and dot thank you so much!

  • @TheDonna1959
    @TheDonna19593 жыл бұрын

    So thankful to have sunny & 70 degrees in Southern California today! 🙏🙏

  • @billiebobbienorton2556

    @billiebobbienorton2556

    3 жыл бұрын

    Highest Covid rates, the best droughts and really big wildfires - Go Southern CA !!!!!!!!!!!

  • @scottnyc6572
    @scottnyc65723 жыл бұрын

    I feel like I’m outside hearing that strong gusty wind over my earphones..

  • @pywifishingandoutdoors
    @pywifishingandoutdoors3 жыл бұрын

    Omg, drive slower people, or don't travel at all.

  • @Elizabeth-rq1vi

    @Elizabeth-rq1vi

    3 жыл бұрын

    We had a massive dump of snow & hubs & some others were trying to unstuck a car in our neighbourhood. They were unsuccessful because they only had SUMMER tires on! Not even All Seasons! A guy told them that he was going to go get his 4x4 & tow road and after he gets them out they are to go home and stay there. Very impressive for a helper being so decisive. We live in an area that actually has snow & such every November to March/April. We get chinooks so it melts often but we still need winter/snow tires.

  • @mrdave777
    @mrdave7773 жыл бұрын

    EMS, police, first responders. God bless! Snow plow drivers? You aren’t forgotten as well!

  • @nancyfahey7518
    @nancyfahey75183 жыл бұрын

    My husband's on his way up that way. He just left 78° sunny skies in Florida. He said, "I don't wanna goooo."

  • @TimMik135
    @TimMik1353 жыл бұрын

    “Storm chasing” video turned into “staring at pileup wreckage” video.

  • @Bhaisthenruas
    @Bhaisthenruas3 жыл бұрын

    These people just ignore the warning they knew it's coming but be on the roads anyway.

  • @jworth7203

    @jworth7203

    3 жыл бұрын

    They changed that warning from 2” to a foot in a matter of a very short time where I live. 2 inches is nothing so you leave your house and end up with this on the way home.

  • @boatsfra1
    @boatsfra13 жыл бұрын

    We had the sun plow come through just about every day this week in Phoenix. I hope everyone is OK from the video above.

  • @tma2290
    @tma22903 жыл бұрын

    I had to drive my company's transit van through this from Rochester to Eagan right as it came ib. I grew up in MN and usually don't get nervous with winter driving, but this was some of the worst conditions I've ever seen. Complete white out, dozens of semis and trucks in the ditch, on a pure sheet of ice. I was surprised I made it.

  • @froglick28
    @froglick283 жыл бұрын

    Always carry a emergency kit snacks water hand warmers extra blankets. Kitty litter rock salt you do this you will be fine

  • @selms22
    @selms223 жыл бұрын

    Can we just fast forward to 2021 already

  • @annahgibbus8

    @annahgibbus8

    3 жыл бұрын

    We'll all be wishing for 2020 it's going to be way way worse. Buckle up.

  • @tracieroberts6323

    @tracieroberts6323

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@annahgibbus8 I was just going to type the same thing.

  • @meganh4011
    @meganh40113 жыл бұрын

    Sad but really good footage thanks for sharing

  • @alindley3128
    @alindley31283 жыл бұрын

    Look, guys and gals, I used to live near there, and there were storms like this EVERY WINTER. People who are from there know betterstr than to drive in a white out, or if they do, they crawl along at 5 mph until they can get to a safe stopping place. When I first moved up there, my church friends took me out to dinner and explained to me that Iwould need a long, warm down coat and something called "UGG Boots" that are made of natural sheerling (and it's correct to wear them without socks, but I was too much in the habit of wearing socks, especially in winter, to go sockless even in my UGG boots.) The point is that children who show up for their doctor's checkup in winter wearing UGG boots and no socks are NOT neglected...that's the correct way to wear them and they really are "appropriately clean and clothed" despite not wearing socks to the doctor's office. These boots are not cheap, but I bought myself a pair of them on the Saturday afternoon after the first blizzard and was soooo glad to have them. Up there, you are allowed to wear your UGG boots with any outfit at all, from November to April. Just not with shorts. And my church friends explained that I would need a blizzard emergency kit in the trunk of my car with, at the very least, flares and jumper cables and to consider putting in a twelve pack of water bottles if I were starting out to drive a long way in the winter time, just in case. My church friend even kept a special superwarm insulated waterproof jumpsuit plus rations in her car, but then she was former elite military, so she did know abou and go in for all that fancy stuff. And sand and a shovel. I was sooo glad to have that when I accidentally got stuck one night on my way home from MPLS in a polar vortex and hat to get my car out of a stuck ditch all by myself, digging and sanding and going Vroom,...VrOOOm....VROOOOOOOOOM until I got rfree of the drift. So anybody driving on 94 in a storm like this is NOT from Minnesota or the Northern Prairie, because evolution and blizzards rapidly take out anyone who drives in conditions like this. I'm very lucky not to have gotten stuck and died the two or three times I drove on 94 in storms like this. There are conditions exactly like those pictured in the video, occurring several times each winter on the stretch of 94 where the prairie actually starts, right around Fergus Falls, and the land is flat flat flat as an ironed tablecloth from Fergus on westward until Denver. So there's nothing to stop the whiteout snow blowing across the road except the proverbial "barbed wire fences". The other really bad patch, for some reason, is 60 - 90 miles north of Minneapolis on 94, where, for some reason, it's always extra icy and slippery, from St. Cloud and westward for about 40 minutes further on. If you can't stay home, drive slowly and keep an emergency kit in your trunk with extra warm layers and some bottled water and whatever else is recommended and follow all the instructions for such emergencies if, God forbid, you get stuck. Although this is a Northern safety issue, I like the Texan saying best: "Drive to survive, arrive alive!" I'll say a prayer for these people, that they get home safely and that their common sense is stronger next time, if it's not their economic job to drive (like the poor truckers who haven't a lot of choice in the matter.)

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