I just love the fact that for a coupe you can fit adults in the back if you need to, and the sound is sublime.

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

It’s one of the few cars that you can toss around like this that legitimately has space. Thanks for watching !!

@NickRowsell

2 ай бұрын

I agree … the Maserati interior it’s where the Aston’s have never excelled

You nailed it Tim. The 4200 is the last true Maserati ever made. I got one in Manual. Have the Spyder too, a Cambiocorsa - I find it even more beautiful. Like your Channel, like your collection. Way to go. Pls do a update video on the cars that are still there and their condition. The 'problem' with the Cambiocorsa is the cost - Here in Europe they ask from 6 to 8K to replace the clutch, that's what kills the market for it.

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

2 ай бұрын

Wow. It is less than half that cost to to the clutch here . Keep enjoying them! Thanks for your comment, many update videos coming this season !

Another great video tim . Still waiting for you to review a 07 vantage just to see what you think is a better overall car and fun to drive . Again thanks for the video and happy holidays

Great video, Tim. I currently own a GranSport and absolutely love it. Totally agree with your comments around being undervalued - sure they have their quirks - but can’t think of another car with the sound, performance and feel of the GranSport for anywhere near the money. Keep up the great work!

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching ! If you are in the Facebook Maserati GS group I would love it if you would share the video! Every car has quirks and will need service/ sorting. In my experience Maserati and Similar era Ferrari are no worse than Audi performance models

@sainta2667

2 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage You mean better Tim. Don't put German car brands together with Maserati or Ferrari ;-)

I have the convertible version and I absolutely love it! I have had a lot of Alfa Romeos and still drive them. It is basically an Alfa Romeo Spider with everything upped by 200%

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

Great analogy! When I talk to other owners I often get the feeling like we made it into a secret club that no one else knows about. If they did, they’d have one too ! Thanks for watching!

@trytolookbusy

4 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage this car is such a driver's car! If you want to drive slowly around your neighborhood this is not it if you want to go let it rip the car is great for it! I really like the Cambria Corso shifting because it really feels like manual shifting and my mind completely thinks about it as a manual. But my left leg gets to rest

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

@@trytolookbusy exactly! Well said

Nice

As of now all roads should lead to Gran Sport. They are so cheap! I’ve seen plenty at 17-22k over the last few years. I desperately want one but pile miles on all of my vehicles and live in the mountains. So stuff gets driven hard, and these are pretty rough on suspension pieces. It appears you can’t buy certain bushings, and need whole arms, etc That’s the real kicker to owning one of these for me 😢

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

Ferrari 430/360/456/550/612 are even worse. Always some ball joint or link that needs replaced. In 40k mikes mine needs the front drop links and all joints are good but the lower rubbers that protect the ball joints are totally gone. It is a frustration and certainly should be considered. It’s about 3 grand to do the front with an independent but comparable to Audi in terms of price and labor time. Trust me, it’s worth it

@sarahdell4042

4 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage I owned a 360 over a decade ago, and it wasn’t that bad. Assuming parts have dried up, or pricing has gone up? isn’t the rear even more though?

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

@@sarahdell4042 it really depends on roads . If you drive on rough surfaces the bushings and ball joints breakdown quickly

@icantgivecredit871

4 ай бұрын

These cars appreciate being driven hard, as the engine has an aversion to sitting. If you've owned a 360 in the past, I'm sure you know. The real kicker definitely would be the cost of consumables. Luckily, there's someone who has designed and produced for the 4200GT/GranSport all new rear control arms that have replaceable ball joints. It's a very expensive investment (around 7,000 USD for the set), but it means in theory that one would never again be required to buy an entire control arm just for the ball joint. It sounds like it would be fun to buy a cheap and well used 4200 and just sort those little things and come out with a somewhat less worrying car for about the cost of a nicer stock example. But from what I am reading, these cars have other quirks that can make them difficult to stomach. I'm not just referring to the clutch. If you've owned a Ferrari in the past, you might understand. Unsuspecting owners won't, though.

@sarahdell4042

4 ай бұрын

@@icantgivecredit871 Spending money on my 360 made sense, as it was worth decent money. These aren’t worth anything. Spending 7k on rear control arms for a 20k car is madness. .

Tim, why have you left us hanging on the Esprit S4 from TWO YEARS AGO! We've still never seen it assembled and the paint job in the sun.

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

Ай бұрын

Zero work has happened

Really thorough and interesting review 👍. I own a 2004 pre-facelift, manual bought for £8k. While it has it's quirks, primarily the gearbox has to be nursed until warmed up and even then it works best with either a 'drive it like a pensioner' or a 'drive it like tou stole it' technique, with no in-between! Watching this video, I must say the paddle shifters really look like you're not as engaged in the driving experience but I agree the manual on the twisty's is hard work Vs paddle

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

I have a mate with a 2005 manual (he recently swapped boomerang light into it!) and will make a video on it compared with another car I own in a manual that is very similar (and a better manual imho) stay tuned. Btw I love your pensioner / drive it like you stole it analogy :)

@russellbird7543

4 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage yes, although with mine I'm not sure if it needs adjustment. Gearbox oil was changed recently after 3yrs/say 15-20k miles by previous owner and what came out was black sludge. New oil seels to have helped although still not perfect, really needs a good 20-30 minute warm up before it drives anything like a normal car. Additionally it's the first car I ever owned that needed a gear box fluid change. My primary issues are 2nd is a massive no go when cold (so I just do 1st to 3rd), and it does have a tendency to crash slightly when going down the box from 6th or 5th to 3rd so I find myself avoiding 3rd a lot of the time. But as per previous post, all problems are overcome if you really throw/thrash it into gear

@sainta2667

2 ай бұрын

@@russellbird7543Manual for 8K?! That's a steal mate. Here in Europe they go for 35 - 60K.

Hi Tim, Thanks for sharing this great video! How can I have my 4200 TCU tuned as mentioned?

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

Ай бұрын

You need a kind main dealer who understands what you are asking or an independent with access to the factory flash files (usually an ex Maserati/ Ferrari tech now on his own

@kevinto7833

Ай бұрын

Thanks very much!

Exactly

outstanding video. Although i still favor three pedals the flappy pedal shifters do have their right to exist.

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

On the E46 and V8 Vantage, manual is Definitely the way. On this car the automated box suits it. Thanks for watching !! Is the E36 in your profile pic you? That thing looks rad!

@sunsetautocarsandbikes

4 ай бұрын

yep, that was my first track car build@@TimsEnthusiastGarage

Great video. I'm considering a Gransport for my own personal daily right now actually -- do you have any thoughts on its suitability for drivers who are automatic only? (Sometimes my wife needs to take the car into work if hers is in the shop) Does it drive like a normal automatic would in that case, and does it wear the clutch that significantly more? (Esp stopped at a red in first gear)

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

First off, thanks so much for watching and for your kind words. Secondly, I cannot express how horrible the “auto” program is. Even driving it in auto for a day or two in traffic will surely wear the clutch as much as 15% just in that short time, no I’m not kidding. Driven like a manual it is reasonable to imagine 80-90k on a clutch. A mate just did 30k on a clutch and reading before and after was around 5% in total life reduction . Amazing . If you drive one of these cars even NOT IN SPORT, you will be aghast at how slow and how much slip is programmed in. I would maybe come up with a strategy to just instruct her on how a clutch works and how to drive it in SPORT and just shift . When you come to a stop it automatically goes down to first if you don’t do so , and there is no wear involved there. Reverse without sport engaged is also fairly ghastly. I could see someone in San Francisco going through a clutch in 6-8 months in AUTO. That same clutch in that same area driven as a manual would have no major wear. I’m not sure if that puts it in perspective. Drive one, drive it in auto and no sport . You will never recommend doing it again . I want to reiterate though , first gear from a red light you cannot stall the car , and it goes back to first automatically even if you are shifting so shouldn’t really be an issue , shifting isn’t really too much of a chore once you think about it

@velocelens

4 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Thank you for the detailed response! I appreciate it. Guess I have some teaching to do for driving with the paddles 😄

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

@@velocelens to clarify further, if you were in sixth in traffic and traffic slowed from 80 down to 15 or 20 , it would automatically drop from 6th to 4th then 3rd or second , whichever was most appropriate and would “put the clutch in” until you got back on the throttle. So it is pretty smart. The auto mode makes it drive like an automatic . Smoothing shifts with slip

@velocelens

4 ай бұрын

​@@TimsEnthusiastGarage I bought the GranSport! Will be picking it up next week. Can't wait to experience it. I think I saw some comments from you in the listing now that I'm looking at it again 😄

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

@@velocelens the one on bring a trailer ? Nice car. Great buy. Drive in in sport, MSP off. Enjoy it. It’s so much car for the money

I love this car… but there is another luxo GT that I love even more, and I’m saving my pennies for that nowadays!

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

Hmmm. Aston DB9 or Vantage ?

@automotiveaffairsshorts

4 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage 2012-15 Jaguar XKR. Gorgeous lines, plenty of power, and luxurious - what else could a car guy ask for!

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

@@automotiveaffairsshorts man depreciation crushed those. Better hurry, people are starting to realize what they are missing out on!

I'm just curious, is there a noticeable center dead zone in the steering, need for suspension service aside?

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

No. Steering has zero slack or dead spots. On my car the only worn item that is curently need replacement are the drop links. I have two ball joints front and rear with ripped boots but as of yet no play or rattle. I drove a 430 recently with noticeable play in the wheel and it ended up being the lower ball joints and a tie rod end .

@icantgivecredit871

4 ай бұрын

@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Do you know if these cars' steering columns (not the shroud but the actual shaft) contain rubber bushings/blocks that can deteriorate and introduce a feeling of play despite good ball joints and tie rods? I wonder about the 360 as well, since parts are probably similar.

As i drove many if these and ownd GS fir smth like 5+ years, i want to say 3200 was a bad product 4200 was 40% unfinished product GS was 10% unfinished For example Aston v8 vantage in the same era was just few percentage unfinished from factory thats i bought it finally, and lc500 is like 120% made car These italians cars require some mods to be much better Both 4200 and GS will benefit from a better and more robust suspension and a better gearbox tuning While the engine is really exotic Just really thirsty when you push the pedal :) Ps my ideal 4200 will be partially racecar prepped and lightened with sequential or just a manual with deep engine remap Also 4200 original look is very cool itself, they had different wheels and grills which are really cool

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

2 ай бұрын

This is super well said . The LC500 is a glorious car

GranSport is way better..

@TimsEnthusiastGarage

4 ай бұрын

We agree

incredible