I'm slowly becoming addicted to these podcasts.

@goodgood9955

Ай бұрын

Yes, learning history by listening to conversation and banter.

@juanfervalencia

Ай бұрын

I became instantly addicted, just a couple of minutes of very good conversation

@t3331157

Ай бұрын

Same!

OMG, I think I am Luther reborn! I am born of coal mining stock in the Mansfield area. I have worked for a copper smelting company for 25 years. I have lived in Yorkshire and I am always at odds with my employer. Issues with Turks and I even had a fight in a pub once or twice. It is only the thought of being likened to Neil Warnock that undermines my theory. Seriously, your history presentations on many subjects are absolutely superb and help me rest my mind throughout the chaos of life. Thank you.

@magnumopus1628

Ай бұрын

The final test is to see if you hate jews and if you think disabled people don't have a soul. Because that's also who Luther was. A crazy pos.

@Conn30Mtenor

12 күн бұрын

really? Are you also a foaming at the mouth anti Semite? Because Martin Luther was.

The problem with Purgatory, apart from its absence from Scripture, is that is assumes that the sacrifice of Christ was insufficient as a propitiation for our sins. An abominable heresy. So it was a very profitable business model of works salvation that sadly led millions astray. Thank God for Martin Luther.

@joejohnson6327

Ай бұрын

Thank God there's no God.

@officialmkamzeemwatela

17 күн бұрын

Actually purgatory assumes that you are not just a body

@droppeddogs

6 күн бұрын

I read in revelation that the dead will be asleep and awakened to be judged according to their works. This is what eastern orthodoxy believes

@garrygraham

5 күн бұрын

@@droppeddogs that is the final judgement. Purgatory is the belief that people can work off the guilt before judgement. That's why indulgences were such an abominable practice, to suggest that paying them could buy the guilt of sin of the dead. Scripture also says that man is appointed to die once and then be judged. Unless we are clothed in the imputed righteousness of Christ, we will be judged by our own works and are doomed. The sacrifice of Jesus was sufficient, and all those who believe by faith (which itself is a gift of God, so that none may boast) will not perish but have eternal life, because on the day of judgement we will be found sinless because we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ. His blood washes us clean. Nothing we do will ever save us. There is only one name by which man may be saved - Christ Jesus.

@droppeddogs

5 күн бұрын

@garrygraham orthodoxy don't believe in purgatory. They believe the dead are asleep until the day of judgment. You say we will be judged go to heaven or hell and be judged again? Why does it say we will be judged according to our works? Paul said Faith is dead without works and works are impossible without faith.

I was born in 1949 in the middle of the United States into a cultural (Polish/Slavic) Roman Catholic family. Amazingly, my life and my family's life resemble Medieval Europe at the time of Luther, despite Protestant America and Modernity. Luther's most direct nemesis, Erasmus, was the humanist [man of great education] and intellectual assassin hired by the then Pope to bring an [academic] end to Martin Luther. In his response to Erasmus, Luther wrote: "Now, my good Erasmus, I entreat you for Christ's sake to keep your promise at last. You promised that you would yield to him who taught better than yourself. Lay aside respect of persons! I acknowledge that you are a great man, adorned with many of God's noblest gifts--wit, learning and an almost miraculous eloquence, to say nothing of the rest; whereas I have and am nothing, save that I would glory in being a Christian. "Moreover, I give you hearty praise and commendation on this further account--that you alone, in contrast with all others, have attacked the real thing, that is, the essential issue. You have not wearied me with those extraneous issues about the Papacy, purgatory, indulgences and such like--trifles, rather than issues--in respect of which almost all to date have sought my blood (though without success); you, and you alone, have seen the hinge on which all turns, and aimed for the vital spot." Bondage of the Will How tragic that so many historians are unaware of the "vital spot" upon which the Reformation emerged.

Have been listening to these podcasts for months. Finally broke down and subscribed. But was frustrated in finding topics of particular interest in the early days. But, at last I discovered so many of those are on KZread! It helps comprehension to see the lads, but now I’m finding it difficult to return to Tom’s epic erudite book Dominion. I’m having such fun reviewing favorite episodes and finding older ones so easily available that I’m finding it difficult to do much else. I’ve been a Tom Holland fan for years, and the repartee between he and Dominic makes history so much more engaging and fascinating. I’ve always found it so and these two are still a revelation. Tom’s journey from classics to crediting Christianity has been similar to my own. But he has illuminated the history of Christianity in a way that made it fresh and so much more interesting than I’ve ever found it before.

I am not a practising Christian, like most Scots of my youth, I had a low key Christian upbringing in the Church of Scotland, the reformed church, that I suppose, makes me a Presbyterian, if only culturally in my case. The key religious reformer in Scotland however, was not Luther but John Knox via the French theologian John Calvin. Not a lot of people know that! 🤪

As a German Lutheran from a region still dominated by Lutheranism, I can confirm he still has a very important status, I don't believe there has been any other person about whom I have learned more in school.

@milztempelrowski9281

2 ай бұрын

"There is another." If you've been educated in a state-funded school in Germany you have heard about him and his former party a lot. But other than that. Yeah, probably.

@milztempelrowski9281

2 ай бұрын

How about Pythagoras? ;D

@johannestzimiskes2524

2 ай бұрын

@@milztempelrowski9281 you would think that but for me they actually covered Luther at least thrice in 2 different subjects, where as the Austrian painter was extensively covered but only really once.

@adrianseanheidmann4559

2 ай бұрын

Curious question, what region would that be?

@johannestzimiskes2524

2 ай бұрын

@@adrianseanheidmann4559 Lower Saxony

I’d say Martin Luther is the 3rd or 4th most influential person in the entire world, it’s almost unfathomable how much he changed the world

I get excited seeing another Rest is History series beginning!

Excellent and thought provoking . Loved the insight that the Reformation changed our relationship to belief itself . Marvellous as always. 😊

As some one raised as a Roman Catholic, it's rather comical hearing you explain the difference between hell and purgatory without ever mentioning the difference between mortal sins and venial sins. Love the podcast!

@jackiechan8840

Ай бұрын

Well educate us please good sir.

@fredlarke3806

Ай бұрын

@@jackiechan8840 Well, as I recall, a venial sin is for offenses like fighting, swearing, cheating, lying, disobeying your parents, etc.; while a mortal sin is for a serious offense of the commandments like murder or blasphemy; and, of course, anything having to do with sexual arousal outside marriage - by thought or action. The last one could be really tough on a teen age boy with exploding hormones!! All sins could be erased through confession and penance. If you died with venial sins on your soul, you spent time in purgatory; but, if you died with a mortal sin, you went to hell for all eternity.

@jackiechan8840

Ай бұрын

​@@fredlarke3806 Thanks! Thank God I'm an atheist.😅

@fredlarke3806

Ай бұрын

@@jackiechan8840 yes, my Catholic upbringing taught me a lot of good things, like being kind to others, but it also scared the hell out of me!

I really enjoyed how a podcast about Martin Luther managed to include a mention of Neil Warnock and worm eater Sean Dyche. And the personal description of Charles V reminded me of Gareth Southgate (save the linguistic abilities).

A super episode - thank you!

Excellent discussion.

"Mass-ive deal!" --Hahaha, top-tier pun right there! 😂 🥁

I love this podcast. Thanks.

The Luther Trail in Germany is a great way to visit Germany. The 500th was an amazing time to go …Luther was everywhere!! Tea towels, advertising sunglasses 😎, pop art. Amazing museum presentations.

48:40: minor correction: Konstanz is not in Switzerland (and never was). It is in modern day Germany and in the Middle Ages was a Free Imperial City.

We were taught that the slogan the church used to sell the indulgences was: "When the money in the box rings, The soul into heaven springs." "Wenn das Geld im Kasten klingt, Die Seele in den Himmel springt."

Now that you guys mention it, an episode on Barry Humphries would be super…

Excellent podcast, intelligent history with humour and honesty!

Hopefully you guys can cover more of Jan Hus and Hussite war. Love the show!!

This is longer than same episode on spotify innit? Am i losing something if i listen on spotify? DId i use "innit" right in a sentence?

For anyone interested in this topic check out "Fatal Discord: Erasmus, Luther, and the Fight for the Western Mind". It's an excellent book on this subject. It's based on letters to/from Luther during this period.

I love these

Nothing wrong with our Sir Les 😁

I think Iain Banks summed up any monotheistic religions very aptly as ‘strange desert cults’.

As a lover of History, watching every show on this channel, this subject matter lacks something

Just an observation for the editor on this one, It feels as if Tom and Dominic's audio and video aren't quite lined up, there seems to be the odd point where Tom's responses or reactions to what Dominic is saying are delayed and/or they talk over one another briefly.

I saw Albert Finney in Osborne's Luther. I wish it had been filmed!

@ianpunter4486

2 ай бұрын

Off-subject, apologies....Finney in Luther 1961, P O'Toole in Brecht's Baal 1963, Leonard Rossiter in Brecht's Arturo Ui 1967 (?)

Bit of an anorak fact here about Eisenach. Apart from Johann Sebastian Bach being born there, it was the home of Wartburg cars which were built there until Opel acquired the factory post unification. I know, not quite in the Luther/reformation league but appeals to the nerd in me.

I hope we get into why Lutheranism continued where other movements failed. Like the Hussites, Cathars, Arians, etc.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Battlefields, and the human spirit for independence.

26:03 Tom, you probably know of it already, but the Relics of the Martyrs of Otranto is a fascinating place to visit

The primary drawing line between what was "heresy" and what could remain within the Church came down not to theology or doctrine, but rather how much of a threat was the doctrine or theology to the flow of coin moving from the field to Rome.

Are they in the same room or at 2 different locations

I might be jumping the gun here but as regards indulgences I read that leading up to the events of 1517 there had been a hard sell on the part of the Church. They needed the readies to pay for the building of St Peter's Basilica.

@LooseTheremin

2 ай бұрын

Money well spent !

@philipbrooks402

2 ай бұрын

Luther was not that keen.

A talking horse...!? 🐴 I can't wait for the Disney ® adaptation of the Reformation and Thirty Years' War!

I didn't know yall had a youtube channel

Well. The comparison with Bill Waggledagger caught my interest.He must be a subject for you guys at some point?

Curious to know who would be in your top ten for most important people in history

Christopher Hill said the first settlers had two books, one their bibles the second being the pilgrims progress by bunyon.

Ever since seeing Terry Jones's Martin Luther (axed scene from Monty Python's Meaning of Life), I can't take him seriously any more... "Honest! I don't look at your girls! I don't even think about them! There! I put them out of my mind! Their arms, their necks... their little legs... and bosoms... I wipe from my mind."

@paulnorthey6712

2 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4yu18SudbHQeM4.htmlsi=R7yyKqrpID4YVKdL

@Mute_Nostril_Agony

2 ай бұрын

Isn't Martin a good Brooklyn boy in these scenes? It says a lot for Christianity vs Islam that anyone can draw images of Luther and poke fun of him, compared to the way we are forced to walk on eggshells about the unsavoury things Muhammed got up to

Some very astute observations gentlemen, and quite enjoyable. The Catholic Church has regrettably jettisoned the notion of purgatory these days. Someone once described purgatory as being akin to the film 'Groundhog Day', where you are condemned to live the same day over and over until you shed your ego and start relating from the heart, thus acquiring the perfection of soul needed to enter heaven. I find that comparison oddly satisfying.

@JohnSmith-lf4be

2 ай бұрын

Catholics still believe in purgatory

@billyo54

2 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-lf4be they might believe in purgatory, but it's no longer part of the Catechism.

@JohnSmith-lf4be

2 ай бұрын

@@billyo54 There are many catechisms. It is in the catechism of the Catholic Church.

@mrgod679

2 ай бұрын

That just shows that the church has been making it up as they go along since the beginning. Most of the things that the Catholic Church have their followers due, was not established by Jesus or is in the Bible. The rituals and idols and Saints and crossing oneself are all to keep you in the fold.

@chacob3380

2 ай бұрын

@@billyo54 maybe someone ripped out CCC 1030-1032 from your copy….here’s a link to an online version www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm#III

Luther is the ultimate startup founder EVER

I enjoy your videos especially Twentieth century politics, as they still feel relevant today... how about the "decline" of Christianity and the growth of humanism in the west..cheers

addicted

Just hoping to go home ,.i feel im almost there , wish me luck 🤞 😅

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2: 8-9

@manchester.misfit6297

2 ай бұрын

"What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?" James 2:14

@chacob3380

2 ай бұрын

@@manchester.misfit6297 indeed - the distinction between works of the law vs works done under grace (which St. Paul mentions as good works or gracious works)

An infomercial for the Church of England.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Still sour about the middle ages.

Nice one. Hopefully this reformation series leads into Thirty years war.

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. One of the most fascinating and poorly-understood wars from my American perspective!

@zeroconnection

2 ай бұрын

@@d.c.8828 British and Irish school system don't cover it either. I know England wasn't a major player in the war but still it is one of the biggest conflicts in European history. Deserves some limelight.

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

​@@zeroconnectionThat's actually kind of shocking to me that it is not covered by British and Irish public/primary/secondary school curriculums! Of course I am well aware that the region was preoccupied with their own Reformations/civil wars/wars of conquest/attempts at independence, but it is surprising to me that it isn't at least mentioned as a continental theme of conflict in the era!

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised, because the U.S. public school system completely neglects covering the Canadian perspective/repercussions of the War of 1812, or the Latin American and Caribbean wars of independence from Spain, France, Portugal, etc.

@bigtosz

2 ай бұрын

I've been a listener for a couple years and a week or two ago, during a Rest is History Club bonus ep, was, I think, the first time they ever even mentioned the Thirty Years War. That's at the top of my wish list, but it would probably require 120 episodes.

"I Have a Dream.""

So am I

12:45 Iirc Curtis Yarvin was talking about this in the late-00s/early 10s? Interesting stuff regardless!!

I keep forgetting they're not in the same room when I'm listening on Spotify 😂

Even in the middle ages, one could not buy an indulgence for themself. You could only buy one for a deceased relative, or someone who wished to pray for

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Still an extra-biblical loophole and fabrication that puts the church before Christ in mediation. Clever medieval monetization monopoly though.

People can be made to believe almost anything unfortunately. Realising that beliefs are not always true, is part of becoming a fully functioning adult.

The current Muslim year is 1445 and I can't help but think that these descriptions of barbaric beliefs in Europe's Middle Ages could be describing today's primative beliefs in Iran, Saudi Arabia or Syria

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

The year, the people, and belief system do not matter. All are human, all is barbarity. Splitting hairs about it can be noble though. Our priests and pastors touch children to this day. Law enforcement commits as much senseless and egregious crime as the general public. Paupers exchange time and freedom for imagined and perceived slights against the state. It might be 1445 in the Muslim world, but it's only 2024 in the West. We've a long, long way to go before we cease to be apex predators and our own favorite prey, no matter the nation or religion.

@Dude0000

Ай бұрын

@@subcitizen2012 the quickest and easiest way to understand any religious and/or ideological philosophy, is to go to ‘the book and the man’. Islam has a very different book, and man, to that of Christianity. The latter has more in common with Liberalism. Probably, in no small part, due to the presence of Christianity in the hearts and minds of the Nations that developed it. Especially the people who wrote the books that formed the basis for what we know as Liberalism, today. However, that very same Liberalism, and all it’s strains, offshoots and manifestations, like Liberal Democracy, are anathema to the former, which bears more resemblance to fascist ideology, to my mind, after somewhat in depth study, but far from complete.

Luther' town Wittenberg is nowadays called "Lutherstadt Wittenberg" (Luthercity ...)

22:15: minor correction: the patron saint of miners is St.Barbara, not St.Anne

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Miner correction?

So Mutton Loofah had some fun later in life did he ? Don't tell me.........he became an upskirter ! Come to think of it that could be a future Rest is History show topic, History's Greatest Upskirters. It would have to be worth a look !

I wish you did not need to 'sell' this one with talking horses, etc. It 's such serious stuff. You are starting to talk down to us. RESIST!

But for Martin Luther we don't put men on the moon.

Pretty sure Luther is the reason we say holy crap.. I can't imagine a better explanation, such a weird thing to say

Thumbnail looks like Norm MacDonald became a monk…

lol, he must be a bright person because he got into university! 😂 All you needed was money or to come from a wealthy or aristocratic family to get into university in the Middle Ages.

Man had asbestos balls

Good pod, very interesting but too much waffle from the bald bloke

Hmm who really takes the universe for granted? Some of us do due diligence and read/watch the evidence. As a lapsed Catholic I never believed the bread and wine of the Mass was body and blood. It’s a sentiment and something to celebrate/take seriously/consider deeply. Not everyone is completely empty inside or uncaring of facts. Far from that.

Sorry Tom, the church didn’t collapse. It got strengthened.

...In the West

Saying you can’t understand the reformation without understanding their view of the end of the world is ridiculous. Name me any Christian era that isn’t informed by apocalyptic thinking

Luther, the unhappy monk. Maybe he had points about corruption in the church, but nothing else.

The idea of Protestantism and aggressive atheism stopped me in my tracks.

@matthewhansen2126

2 ай бұрын

Progressive, not aggressive.

Who changed the world for absolute worse

hasn't in our time done all these subjects already

@LooseTheremin

2 ай бұрын

AK-47 Yes it has but this is the version with jokes included and without all of the incredibly annoying academic experts. No slight on Melvyn who does a wonderful job.

@AK-lb3cb

Ай бұрын

@@LooseTheremin yes damn those annoying experts with their knowledge and insights /s

> a humble monk > Bold, intellectually arrogant, and a master of spin, Pick one.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

You'll need to figure for yourself that those things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

@paulheitkemper1559

Ай бұрын

​@@subcitizen2012maybe in opposite land.

He was the savior of our race.

@entropybear5847

2 ай бұрын

On The Tiny Hats and their Lies.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

My guy, be careful.

@Gobrech

Ай бұрын

@@subcitizen2012 about what?

A point on the obedience of the public during COVID-19 lockdowns--it isn't exactly as clear as was stated that "most people accepted what they were told by the epidemiologists"--they were coerced with state violence and their businesses were legally ( and I would argue *arbitrarily* ) prohibited from operating...unless of course they happened to be a multinational conglomerate or Prime Minister, etc....

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

...Or just a regular Minister, politician, associate of 10 Downing Street or Whitehall....

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

The parallels of the forced obedience of The Church of the 16th-century and modern-era state doctrine definitely seem to make for relevant interchangeable metaphors....

@jack.harper

2 ай бұрын

Both can be true. As someone who lived in Australia at the time, it was very obviously the case that most people accepted what they were told unquestioningly.

@jack.harper

2 ай бұрын

I suppose that kind of blind obedience had a shelf life and wore thin as time went on - now in retrospect everyone is a critic, but that was absolutely not the case living through it. Maybe the positive spin is that this was the catalyst for a modern reformation of government and institutional powers. I don't really see any signs of that unfolding unfortunately.

@humblescribe8522

2 ай бұрын

Good. That's how you deal with major public health crises.

I love his famous "I have a dream speech"

*ruined

I was promised tales of talking horses, incredibly disappointed 😆

@restishistorypod

2 ай бұрын

All in due course! More Episodes to come on Martin Luther

Thank Christ they didnt slap their face on the thumbnail for this one, these guys are historians not Fortnite streamers the production team needs to stop pandering to "The algorithm", theyre not going to draw the youth by making stupid faces

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Are you alright?

@steventrotter4958

Ай бұрын

@@subcitizen2012 I have been radicalized

More influencal than Darwin, please 😂

@yankeegonesouth4973

2 ай бұрын

Was Darwin's work inevitable or contingent? If you go with the latter, then Luther is more influential, because arguably Luther's questioning of superstition is one of the things leading to Darwin.

@yankeegonesouth4973

2 ай бұрын

Plus, he basically invented High German when he translated his Bible. I believe this podcast series will continue to show just how influential Luther was in ways we just don't think about.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

You can split your hairs and eat them too.

Pfft...Marx could easily take Martin Luther in the ring!

@jimb9063

2 ай бұрын

Martin Luther brought on Marx as a late substitute, to no avail.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Calm down Ghengis.

Difficult and controversial topic for you I see 🤨

It's astounding how many millions of hours humans have wasted, obsessing over superstitious nonsense.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Super scary.

Martín Luther was the foundation for Liberalism

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Hopefully your thought didn't end with that sentence.

Cmon... He's not even the most famous Martin Luther!

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps not in the United States, but outside of the Americas, it's definitely debatable!

@fuferito

2 ай бұрын

​@@d.c.8828, There's also Idris Elba's _Luther._

@zeroconnection

2 ай бұрын

​​@@fuferitoAhhh the James Bond that never was.

@terrygain1343

2 ай бұрын

You’re dreaming. Have a cold shower and wake up.

@jeromeofmiddleton

2 ай бұрын

Wrong! MLK Jr. Is a player in one country's singular political movement (i.e. "civil rights") in the last 50-75 years. Meanwhile, Martin Luther has had worldwide impact for over 500 years in politics, religion, literature, science, art, etc. as Dominic mentions in the podcast, he is one of the most influential people in all of human history and launched a movement that has worldwide influence. The two are not even on the same plane of existence!

In Catholicism, the living can alter the fates of the dead and the dead can alter the fates of the living. Holy baloney.

The man who messed up christianity!

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

By telling mfs to read The Bible...!?!?!?

@tommonk7651

2 ай бұрын

By exposing the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church?

@aadschram5877

2 ай бұрын

@@ChristianPatriarchy By telling mfs that the Bible was their sole authority so that everyone could be his own pope.

@d.c.8828

2 ай бұрын

@@aadschram5877 Are you implying that Scripture is false and/or heretical?

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Fake Jews!

Changed the world, for the worst

@davidknox5929

2 ай бұрын

How so?

@mrgod679

2 ай бұрын

I completely disagree, but he didn’t go far enough and should’ve gone full atheist. The Catholic Church was evil and still is.

@Gobrech

Ай бұрын

@@mrgod679 ughh...

He destroyed the world. He led millions into apostasy. He tried to destroy the True Church.

@matthewhansen2126

2 ай бұрын

How could god let such things happen? Makes you wonder doesn’t it.

@HouseOfAntioch

2 ай бұрын

@matthewhansen2126 oh I do not believe God did anything. The blame should go against the wolves in the Church

@aniccadance13

2 ай бұрын

@HouseOfAntioch Their podcast is good but biased..

@KlemensMetternich-ln4jy

2 ай бұрын

​@ChristianPatriarchy the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church established by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ those many centuries ago.

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

Fake Jews!

a very weak take on Martin Luther, what a waste of 52 mins

@subcitizen2012

Ай бұрын

It's a 52 minute video. What were you expecting?

@Makotonine

Ай бұрын

​@@subcitizen2012 accuracy

I thought they were handsome 😢 when i heard their voices on the podcast now not so much after seeing their faces