Austria-Hungary in this scenario: -wins war -loses land kewl

@pangrey8931

8 жыл бұрын

>doesnt starve #worth

@quitmarck

7 жыл бұрын

Why would Austria-Hungary, a country which was already incredibly ethnically divided want to annex more ethnicities?

@TheZerech

7 жыл бұрын

They had plans to make the only Ukrainian Habsburg King of Ukraine and he almost did but bad luck and German worries kept that from happening. If he was King it wouldn't look to bad for the Austrians to hand off Galicia though considering that the Ukrainians were the the most loyal peoples of the Empire behind the Germans themselves, they might not want to throw off the population balance,

@Fancypants117

7 жыл бұрын

also the fact that the Germans pretty much had to prop up the Austrians to whole war, after losing several million troops to serbia and Russia I think they lost something like something like 500,000 men on the first push into Serbia because of backwards tactical thinking? Either way they may have been compensated with some colonial territories in africa or something

@kostam.1113

7 жыл бұрын

So true, diversity is not strength, Austria-Hungary was doomed from the start even if they would win the war it is highly unlikely that they would survive in their 1914 form.

"Germany had the most detailed ambitions". Why am I not surprised....

@usagi67

7 жыл бұрын

Peter Magro Sorry, but this is wrong. Bismarck said, that Germany is saturised in 1871. There were no ambitions to make war.

@PMMagro

7 жыл бұрын

Misha Rosalie Bößenecker I refer to the video- not Bismarck. Bismark was brilliant.

@TheKingofbrooklin

7 жыл бұрын

What do you mean ?

@PMMagro

7 жыл бұрын

Nukledus All is properly written down, in good order and very very detailed.

@ericcarlson3746

6 жыл бұрын

most detailed on their side. Britain France Italy Riomania and Russia ad elaborate treaties for what they were going to divvy up

This is NOT alternate history, but actual plans and ambitions of the Central Powers during World War I.

@genaddi1234

8 жыл бұрын

+EmperorTigerstar legit, alternate history is some serious shit you don't want to mess with

@KaiserFranzJosefI

8 жыл бұрын

+EmperorTigerstar If only

@SEGASister

8 жыл бұрын

Interesting indeed...!

@individuum4494

8 жыл бұрын

where do you got the map from?

@josefchinprojektindikator5231

8 жыл бұрын

+EmperorTigerstar PLS PLS Map of Europe (or World) if the axis power won World War II :D

I believe Austria would've taken Veneto, to punish the Italians for joining the war.

@alba489_

8 жыл бұрын

Don't think so. Too many different ethnic groups.

@ZephyrusMapping

8 жыл бұрын

Austria was already a multicultural empire, and it also already had Italians in their territory. Furthermore, they actually owned the territory 50 years prior.

@alba489_

8 жыл бұрын

Zephyrus Mapping I know all of that. But taking even more Italian land would mean that there are more Italians for a potential revolution. And AH knew that a revolution would happen in the future.

@hawk992

7 жыл бұрын

It is very possible that they would have taken Veneto. It was just 50 years before they lost some italian ground.

@j.p.5013

7 жыл бұрын

Paper Iggy Alex even more? there were no italian land in austro-hungary

This was really interesting - I'm always glad to see this kind of variety on mapping channels.

@bondiboi668

7 жыл бұрын

Ollie Bye, your video "The Rise and Fall of the British Empire" inspired me to create my own, British-esque colonial Empire, Drijkia...

@nachoeee690

6 жыл бұрын

Ollie Bye crazy to see both the GOATS of mapping lol

@fridayyy.2102

3 жыл бұрын

JESUS CHRIST ITS YOU

Why do greater German Empires always look so cool?

@nikojohnson9894

6 жыл бұрын

Idk. But I agree

@SynisterFour

6 жыл бұрын

Looks fat and mushy... I preffer the normal german empire with the excess territory of the greater german empire to go to their puppets.

@generalaccount6531

6 жыл бұрын

Very sexy indeed, but still not as sexy as the Persian Empire with its rich and thicc pair of Parthia/Bartria booties

@mertyuksel6052

6 жыл бұрын

Cretium Ottoman Empire cooler than germen

@dmeuajsua5968

6 жыл бұрын

Germany should reinstate the monarchy and reform the a greater German empire

Did... Did you... Did you just speak? *Breaths heavily* IS THIS A DREAM?! *faints*

@EmperorTigerstar

8 жыл бұрын

+Nick Vagnone I've actually spoken on several videos. XD

@karloperkovic6710

8 жыл бұрын

+Nick Vagnone there is whole series where he speaks

@kutaymasat6603

7 жыл бұрын

Hi friend! I am from Turkey..Your Foresight is very logical. Because Ottomans wants to contol again egypt,arabia and north africa but this is not Primary purpose. Ottomans primarily wanted to reach eastern turkistan territory and Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan, kazakhstan, ozbekistan, krgizistan. And Ottoman, had dreamed of liberating the Turks. Congratulations successful video, I will continue to follow you.

@euivets2892

3 жыл бұрын

I'm part of this 5 year old legendary comment yyyes.

@nickvagnone2125

3 жыл бұрын

I genuinely don’t remember why this was so cool to me 5 years ago

That's why we have kaisereich in Hearts of Iron 4 lol

@ardaylmaz1899

6 жыл бұрын

Neutronex Mapping wtf

@fierylightning3422

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. Also kaisereich in German literally means emperor empire

@michaelweiske702

4 жыл бұрын

@@fierylightning3422 ehh, Kaiser can mean emperor but it _technically_ is a closer translation to Caesar, but the more important issue is that Reich does not mean Empire. It more directly translates to realm. So Kaiserreich would be better translated as "The realm of the Kaiser"

@belgiumball2308

4 жыл бұрын

Ya lol. The mod is ao kewl

@fierylightning3422

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelweiske702 ah, thanks, didn’t realise.

>independent, united Ireland That's it, I now 100% support a Central Power victory

@Kalimdor199Menegroth

6 жыл бұрын

You are almost 100 years too late. I support an Entente victory, it helped unite all the Romanian lands and people into one country. Justice was Trianon.

@CaptainDecimus

6 жыл бұрын

Trianon was far too harsh imo. Hungarians had done nothing to the Entente, Austrians did. 80% reduction is too far.

@themoochman3867

5 жыл бұрын

wait hold up, is this the one and only gecko vs the state on some random youtube video advocating for a government even though you're an ancap?

@mikeoxsmal8022

5 жыл бұрын

Captain Decimus transylvania is not Romanian or hungarian its partially both

@eoghancarpenter8546

5 жыл бұрын

damn right brother, tiocfaidh ar la!! 🇮🇪🇩🇪

I imagine Germany would pick up Belgian Congo as well, and maybe a French colony or two. Losing eastern Galicia might be a blessing in disguise for the Austrians- one less source of ethnic tension.

@michelangelobuonarroti4958

2 жыл бұрын

It might've also spited other ethnic groups however. Can't really say that post war arrangement would be stable, as the one we had historically also wasn't

@farmonxqc9370

7 ай бұрын

He said map of Europe he didn't include anything other continent for this

In my language there is a saying which can be translated as "if my aunt had balls, I'd have an uncle"

@rightwingreactionary

7 жыл бұрын

And he'd be a cut-dick.

@patrykjedrusiak1842

7 жыл бұрын

we have this in Poland too

@valentinmitterbauer4196

7 жыл бұрын

In Austria we've got the saying "Wast' ned aufigstiegn, wast' ned owa gfoin, hädst' mei Schwesta gheirat wast' mei Schwoga woan." "If you hadn't climbed up, you would not had fell down, if you had married my sister, you would had become my brother in law." It means basically the same as your sayings.

@giuferfg

7 жыл бұрын

Che in italiano sarebbe: "Se mio nonno avesse le ruote, sarebbe un tram".

@MrNotebookguy

7 жыл бұрын

Actually in Turkish we say "If my aunt had a moustache she would be my uncle"

At least they're not completely ruining the losing side like the allies did irl with Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans

@cesaregaragnani2932

3 жыл бұрын

Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans were going to fall either way

@ykdm-by4cm

3 жыл бұрын

@@cesaregaragnani2932 yes but it should ve not been like sevres,trianon or saint germain.These trearies didnt make peace.These treaties just led to another war which would be way bigger.The entente countries just showed us about their unending demands

@afr0218

2 жыл бұрын

@@cesaregaragnani2932 actually the ottomans we’re doing a bunch of reforms and I believe they would’ve survived

@ykdm-by4cm

2 жыл бұрын

@@afr0218 it wouldnt survive.It would crash under the immense arab nationalism,but it would have been able to secure more lands than our turkey.

@realpolitick1468

2 жыл бұрын

@@ykdm-by4cm it would have easily survive. Ottomans had discovered oil fields in Iraq and Hejaz in 1913. That combined with addition revenue from Suez Canal after the war would have helped Ottomans accumulate huge amount of wealth. It could buy more weapons from Germany and more advisors and host a bigger army.

Than Stronk Bulgaria takes over world right?

@whilecontroller

8 жыл бұрын

I don't see any other way it could play out. Resistance is futile.

@JeffTheMapper

8 жыл бұрын

+Gary Busususaurus no, stronk luxembourg take over world

@orangemann2492

8 жыл бұрын

no, New England gains independence and takes over the world

@JeffTheMapper

8 жыл бұрын

Heather Vastakis i know! JAN MAYEN 4LIFE!

@Mystic_Stirling

6 жыл бұрын

As soon as Germany took Luxembourg, Germany started loosing... JK ;P Though Luxemburg was conquered in a day during the war.

Out of all of them, only Bulgaria was the closest into achieving their territory.

@4n5h327

3 жыл бұрын

It was Austria Hungary cuz they lost land lol

@deleetiusproductions3497

3 жыл бұрын

@@4n5h327 Erm, after the Treaty of Bucharest, Bulgaria's territory had to change less than Austria-Hungary's for their ambitions to be satisfied. So... yeah. Bulgaria got the closest, by far. But hey, Austria-Hungary is easily in second place. The one who fell most short of their goals was the Ottoman Empire. They planned to annex or puppet Egypt, Sudan, Cyprus, the Dodecanese Islands, and the Caucasian states. That never happened.

@MatematikEvren1

Жыл бұрын

​@@deleetiusproductions3497 Ottoman Empire tried to take back the lands that lost before. But thanks(!) to Enver Pasha, 90.000 Turkish Solider died in Sarıkamış before the war. And arab revolts, Ottoman Empire really took a heavy blow. And The America joined the war, Lets J-ust say it wasnt good for Central Powers. In fact, Ottomans trusted Germans, Bulgarians truted Ottomans and the result was kinda bad

Why did Germany want Georgia you might ask.. well, it was to launch an invasion into central asia and liberate Persia, Afghanistan, and India. India was the most important, as it would cripple the british empire to lose it. Germany invited Mexico to be a part of the war; mainly to keep american troops away from Europe. This invitation was sent by radio, and americans intercepted it and confronted Mexico who claimed their plan was to decline the offer - this invitation played a role in americas subsequent involvement in the war, which otherwise might not have happened until the early 1920's, or not at all.

@ganifraterdogan1062

8 жыл бұрын

sent by radio because fuck diplomats right?

@LeviJohansen

8 жыл бұрын

Gani Fırat Erdoğan​ exactely. Things may have turned out very differently if they'd sent a diplomat

@kylef6972

8 жыл бұрын

+Levi Johansen Actually it was intercepted by the British, who showed it to the Americans

@painekiller12

6 жыл бұрын

Levi Johansen The Zimmerman nite has been debunked thousands of times. Most historians agree that it was a false notw made by the British to bring America into the war. Why would Germany risk angering America further by contacting Mexico, of all places, to hold off America? And why not send a diplomat? Exactly! And the British happened to intercept the note? What does Germany have to gain from Mexico attempting to hold off the US? What does Mexico have to gain? Why would Germany consider this a good Idea at all?

@mdl2427

6 жыл бұрын

Painekiller12 That is flat out not correct. The author, the German foreign secretary even admitted it was genuine in March 1917. Why would you assert that it's not true? This is kind of false assertion is just pointless

Bulgaria woud be so big...

@aetu35

4 жыл бұрын

Greater Tsarstvo na Bŭlgariya nice

@milesedgeworth2079

3 жыл бұрын

But dont

The shape of Germany's ambitions looks so much better than modern Germany ._.

@jakem5039

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah especially the facism part.

@johnmackenzie6181

8 жыл бұрын

+Ixor This was WWI, not WWII. In fact, if Germany had won WWI I doubt the Nazis would have gained power ever in Germany.

@jakem5039

8 жыл бұрын

Matthew Brown A.) Wrong war, slight confusion there. B.) John Mackenzie No but greed for empire would have consumed it like all other countries.

@jakem5039

8 жыл бұрын

I can call myself a fucking space alien, don't make me one. GET IT RIGHT.

@johnmackenzie6181

8 жыл бұрын

+Ixor Imperialism isn't at all inherently fascist. That's just a presumption on your part.

Awesome, I actually love these semi-alternate history videos.

@Solarian

6 жыл бұрын

Mkay

Central Powers Power!

@vadeemivanov2577

8 жыл бұрын

+Vadeem Ivanov All Power to Central Powers!

@louplibre9734

8 жыл бұрын

Go go central powers contries !!!

@shinydewott

7 жыл бұрын

I dont like the Ottomans,but as a Turk,Ill join

@orhantahsindundar4577

6 жыл бұрын

Niye sevmiyorsun?

@typicalmapping2487

4 жыл бұрын

Berrak kısa sg sevmiyosa sevmiyo

In our timelime, In the final version of the treaty of Bucharest (after the 25th of september 1918), Bulgaria received all of Northern Dobruia. In return the Ottoman Empire would have gained some bulgarian land on the left bank of the Maritsa river. I'm guessing in this timeline it would've been the same. Good video regardless.

@PALMEN4

Жыл бұрын

Didn't the ottomans promise some correction of the border in favour of bulgaria (along with other land promised to them by the germans, austrians ) just for them to join the central powers?

It's interesting to see how many people miss the premise, especially given the presenter's disclaimer that this is not a discussion of *how* the Central Powers *might* have achieved any of these goals, it's a look at what the map of Europe might have looked like, *had they achieved* those goals. So many posters respond with, "Never could have happened", etc. That's not the point of the premise.

3:42 i literally just laughed out loud. "Just to spite the British" lmfao

This description though: "THIS IS *NOT A WHAT-IF* STORY. This is *what* Europe would look like *if* the Central Powers won based off of real documents and plans made during the war.

Best part is Middle Eastern war might have been never happened.

@erenliebert4576

3 жыл бұрын

Best part is that ww2 would probably not happen, and even if did, the destruction and madness scale would be much less

@realpolitick1468

2 жыл бұрын

@@erenliebert4576 WW2 would have happened. Probably a Hitler like radical would rise up in France or Britain and form alliance with with Russia to defeat Germany. But Germany and it's allies would have curbstomped France or and it's allies. Germany already had the best trained army in world. That along with Ottomans, who would be swimming in money from the Oil fields of Azerbaijan, Iraq and Arabia etc and Austria would easily defeat anyone

@realpolitick1468

2 жыл бұрын

@Algotnis I would expect them to ask huge reparations from Britain.

*Kaiserreich intensifies*

@mistersmiley9425

7 жыл бұрын

I get this.

Germany would have taken more African colonies as well and maybe an Asian port.

@Meirstein

7 жыл бұрын

They already had Qingdao, but they lost it early on to the japanese. There was also German New Guinea. The East Indies were mostly held by the Dutch, who were neutral, but they may have taken British Malaya or Singapore, or maybe French Indochina.

@userrend

7 жыл бұрын

That's preposterous, they wouldnt have enough war score for that :P

@virgiljianu7166

4 жыл бұрын

You mean the MittelAfrika or whatever plan?

@aerohydreigon1101

4 жыл бұрын

@@userrend Germany would have the most war score for sure Austria-Hungary has low stability and can't conquer much, plus they got carried by Bulgaria and Germany The same thing with the Ottomans but they were a lot weaker And Bulgaria was still recovering from the Second Balkan War Also, it is almost impossible to imagine a Bulgarian Malaya or an Austro-Hungarian Indochina, so Germany would've taken them

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

4 жыл бұрын

The french colonial empire would have likely been simply taken over by germany wholesale, and the british and italian mediterranean posessions would have also likely changed hands.

His mic makes him sound like a online high school teacher

Love your videos. Keep making them!!

If I ever get a time machine, I will download all of these alternate history videos, get a laptop, and lot of books of modern societies and reforms. Then I will head straight to the kaisers palace in Berlin and give the kaiser all of that. Then the central powers can win ww1 and we can live in the great German confederation . Then I eat a Schnitzel

@johniewalker4356

3 жыл бұрын

+1

@user-nb7ts1qv5j

3 жыл бұрын

You don't need to do all of that to eat a schnitzel

@ubiot4221

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-nb7ts1qv5j I was planning to eat a BIG schnitzel

@afdalridwan3813

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-nb7ts1qv5j lol, even jewish still about to get same path as our world timeline, due to they betrayal Anti jewish still gonna blow up in kaiserreich timeline

@skerlp836

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, atleast WW2 probably wouldn'tve happened 🤷‍♂️

I actually Like the idea of the Germans only taking Waloon land from Belgium and then giving Belgium back rightful Flemish lands from France. Maybe Germany should've won. By th way, what about Africa?

@JohnSmith-ux4hn

8 жыл бұрын

+Maarten van Rossem Lezingen These land do not rightfully belong to Flemish, they where french a long time before Belgium was a thing.

@MaartenvanRossemLezingen

8 жыл бұрын

Vee Ka Except they've always spoken Flemish and they've only been part of France after a war between France and Austria somewhere in the 18th century.

@lucasdillon59

6 жыл бұрын

Just look up Mittel-Afrika

@mrsky67

6 жыл бұрын

Germany had plans to annex all of the African colonies. Most likely all of South, West, and East Africa would of been annexed. If not all at least most parts would

@tricolourbearer2435

6 жыл бұрын

I think its better they lost...

I love your channel,keep up the good work.

i love these videos. Do more like these!

Ukraine would also become a German protectorate to keep any Russian resurgence at bay, not just a food supplier to Austria

@LoLMasterManiac

7 жыл бұрын

Peter S kremlin shill, pls

USA would not have messed up the Middle East.

@guyname8760

5 жыл бұрын

Waiiiiiiit... I thought the Europeans fucked up the middle east

@Heisenberg882

4 жыл бұрын

@Bjergsen Senpai and the French

@ARG0T

4 жыл бұрын

The Europeans did that for us, only thing we're doing now is meddling with their affairs which we shouldn't be doing. All for the black gold.

@wisemankugelmemicus1701

4 жыл бұрын

*looks at Sykes-Picot* Yeah....Americans...in...their..blue and red uniforms...

I love your stuff... and this one is very interesting. However I think it would be possible only in a scenario of absolute and indefensible victory for the Central Powers.

1:25 , found a single mistale in that map, and that’s only because it’s about my own country: German border with Denmark, Germany owned land up to the king creek (Kongeåen), which meant that Germany owned a big part of Southern Jutland. Denmark got that territory back after WW1, despite not fighting in the war

I'm pretty sure Austria-Hungary would collapse soon after the war giving Bulgaria more of an opportunity to take more land. Also I think that sooner of later Bulgaria would get cocky and try to take Constatinople from the Ottomans giving them a chance to reclaim lost territory I'm the Balkans.

@InvaderNaj

7 жыл бұрын

actualy austria planned reforms to avoid that

@balkaneer9991

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting theory. -I like it-

@CaptainDecimus

6 жыл бұрын

If the Austrian empire were to fall I'm pretty sure the Turk would come next. Although in some alternate world the Ottomans retain their empire, them expanding (Especially into the Balkans) is complete Fantasy.

@Raoxsttelle

6 жыл бұрын

After the Balkan wars and that all its allies betrayed Bulgaria resultet in super mobilazing and Bulgaria was more than hungry to just kill everyone in the Balkans, so it's alliance with Germans was really welcomed. At the times Bulgaria mobilize to a point where they had more tanks than ottoman turks and greeks combined and have the biggest army % per available person in the world at the time(Bassicaly every single men in the country was mobilazed and every women as well(beeing nurses)). Austro-Hungarian empire was about to fall, aswell as ottoman empire. If central powers won this war, more than likely Bulgaria would attack again and again, as the main goal was to achieve the ethnic borders of Bulgaria: i.ytimg.com/vi/AWcAptOxoEM/hqdefault.jpg but im sure if we had a chance we could have tried to attack Constantipole since we have done it many times before within the first and second Bulgarian Empire. But the main goal was to restore the ethnic borders, for sure - here is a video of this time kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXVhks1xqrvembw.html&t=

@Pidalin

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, our first presidend Masaryk wanted stay in Austria-Hungary on the start, but he was politic in high structures of Austria-Hungary and he recognized that Austria-Hungary can't survive because all that conflicts inside. Give little more autonomy to some region can't solve that, all nations wanted their own national countries.

I just realized that the ottaman empire and the austrian empire fought there lives long with eachother en died together as allies supporting eachother a salute for that one😔

I'm soooo glad that you got a better mic but damn if I don't love this scenario

just what I have been looking for great!!

The German Empire wanted to make Kurland/Courland their Colony, according to a Latvian History Book

@alba489_

8 жыл бұрын

Well, they wanted to make it a puppet state with a German monarch as king. At the start of the war, there were also plans to make a "United Baltic Duchy".

@derlasercrafterwally4342

2 жыл бұрын

@@alba489_ the united baltic duchy existed briefly and wanted to join the german empire as a state

Germany’s 1914 and 1943 borders looks so pretty idk why

wow very informative video ! I'm impressed :O subscribed :)

Damn Bulgaria be looking thicc

in an alternate universe an alternate you could be doing a map of Europe if the allies won ww1

@wachtwoorden2

6 жыл бұрын

And everybody would probably think France/Belgium and Britain would've eaten all of Europe.

@PeliSotilas

5 жыл бұрын

Would Italy get all of Dalmatia?

@user-rf6fd4vs5s

5 жыл бұрын

or videos of Fascist France trying to blitzkrieg Germany for revenge in the alternate universe WW2

A perfect world doesn't exi....

@Offically_alive

Жыл бұрын

Hold up

@Offically_alive

Жыл бұрын

WHAT

@joaovitorbr5655

Жыл бұрын

​@@Offically_alive ?

@joaovitorbr5655

Жыл бұрын

​@@Offically_alive WW1

Very interesting video. I would like to see the documents by myself, but that is not the problem. Thanks for a video. I hope that is not the last one.

The Central Powers signed a protocol that allowed Bulgaria to keep whole Dobrudja.

1:28 turn the captions on "Bulgaria wanted to dominate the falcons" X''''DD

@endritbytyqi5473

8 жыл бұрын

+Endrit Bytyqi The rest of the video sounds funny with the captions actually

@TheArtistTreee

6 жыл бұрын

Endrit Bytyqi It said balconies for me. Lol.

@matthewwilliam1180

6 жыл бұрын

Endrit Bytyqi I think KZread changed their CC algorithm at some point because that's not what it says anymore. Shame, I saw it before and it was comedy gold.

@user-rf6fd4vs5s

5 жыл бұрын

no we dont want falcons

@whoknows1447

4 жыл бұрын

mine is "balconies" :D

Perfect Europe

I like this more, you should talk more in your videos my friend! It helps me stay focused among other positive things!

I love history, thanks mate.

Wouldnt Austria-Hungary want Veneto and Lombardy back from Italy?

@abu-hureraali4531

7 жыл бұрын

We did

@erikbortuzzo8968

7 жыл бұрын

But u died before!

@erikbortuzzo8968

7 жыл бұрын

+dfadg sadfga pls make it faster u can! in italy living is unsupportable with a corrupt imbecile italian government.

@lawrenceastora

7 жыл бұрын

The Austro Hungarian Empire was already struggling with the oppressed nationalities it already had, annexing a vast and densely populated region completely inhabitated by Italians would' ve not made their situation any better. They don' t call Austria-Hungary "an Empire bond to collapse" for no reason.

@erikbortuzzo8968

7 жыл бұрын

+T18k24s and what are u waiting for?

What a shame we lost the war :P

@koragrobot

8 жыл бұрын

+Preussen Deutschland True.

@borosrobin3842

8 жыл бұрын

+Preussen Deutschland We lost everything unfortunately. :/ From Hungary.

@Archimedes555453525

8 жыл бұрын

+Preussen Deutschland What a shame the germans shamelessly invaded Belgium and started slaughtered the innocent. We as Europeans should stick together instead of fighting amongst ourselves, however strong our imperialistic delusions might be.

@firecage7925

7 жыл бұрын

Yah, it is a shame. You winning the war would've stopped Hitler from ever coming to power. On the flip side, I guess Germany would, after the war, have instantly siezed all the colonies belonging to France and the UK, instantly becoming the single largest Empire in history. (The people here in South Africa wouldn't have minded becoming a German Colony instead of a British one honestly)

@KaiserDeclan

6 жыл бұрын

Preussen Deutschland yes it is

Very nice. You're a good narrator.

Thanks Mr Cat man very cool

Germany was also planning on turning Finland into a monarchy with a German king, kinda turning them into a puppet state.

Do WW2 axis please

@Agustx0

8 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Nigel-nv3lr

8 жыл бұрын

I bet Hitler's negotiating would be something like. "Ok, Italy you get Cyprus and Sardinia. Japan you get Korea, some Indonesian islands, The Philippines and Sri Lanka. And We get everything else! Then there probably would have been a war(Italy+Japan vs Germany) over who gets what.

@mohli

8 жыл бұрын

+nigel = Brainwashed Hitler Let France keep their south part and ALL their colonies, and even their navy, he didn't integrate much of Enemies' land, he would most likely Ask FR & UK pay war reparations like they did to Germany after WW1 Japan is most likely to keep what they took, it feels like they wanted a world conquest regarding their acts & ambitions

@Nigel-nv3lr

8 жыл бұрын

Leader IM ϟϟ It was a joke bro.

@xbox_cheeto5338

8 жыл бұрын

+Leader IM ϟϟ I also heard that when the war was over, he would give back the north part of France, he only wanted it so he could supervise it and keep it safer from naval attacks such a in D-day, sadly he was a sleep at that time. that is why, although the land got thin the more south the occupied land was, he still kept all Atlantic areas of France, he should have kept most except tiny part of Mediterranean coast too because naval invasion happened there too.

Well you’ve certainly improved over the years

Now this seems like a best case scenario for the central powers

I would absolutely love if this was done for WW2.

You didn't talk about how finland would become a german allied kingdom with a German prince becoming king!

@EmperorTigerstar

8 жыл бұрын

+DeanmC261993 They already tried it but it didn't work.

@thomashaeyen6942

3 жыл бұрын

@@EmperorTigerstar not... not just because the war ended before that prince could accept his new ambt?! i remember that's what happened

you got one more subscriber!! : )

I agree with your opinion, and btw, people in the chat always write memes about what's happening in video :/ instead of how good the vid is

Yes, this is a good video, I say more like this would be nice 😉

you forget to say that Austro-Hunagry would be renamed and changed goverment to trialisam called Austro-Hungaro-Croatia because its last emperor accepted Croatian request of trialisam at the end of the war.

This is a great video and such, but the volume was quite low. Hope you can fix this in the upcoming videos. Nonetheless, good job.

I like his videos so much but its so funny to look back and see his ww2 mic haha

"emperortigerstaralt" has been deleted for a while now, which tells you how old this video is without looking at anything else.

By the way, a fun fact about the Bucharest Treaty: It also made the parts NOT occupied by Bulgaria a joint occupation zone between the Central Powers, while guaranteeing Romanian access to the Black Sea through Cernavoda and Constanza. Later, during the very end of the war, that protectorate was annexed by us...for about a week. So, depending on WHEN the war was won, the map might look differently indeed.

Germany, Bulgaria and Ottomans: gain stuff Austria: **100% chance of death**

I subscribed!!!

It´s a pity that this scenario is just an illusion :(

@hatefulgaming1800

Жыл бұрын

Why?

Luxembourg was the reason that the Central Powers lost

I'd love to see a video like this for WW2

Could you do a video on the Scanian war / the Franco-Dutch war of 1672? It was a pretty big war involving most of the major European powers.

Only one mistake: Albania never fought in the war, so they’re technically neutral, so A-H wouldn’t have the permission to invade them. Also seems a little strange the Austro-Hungarian Empire wins a war and looses land..

@nichl474

4 жыл бұрын

They didn't want to take anything in WWI and were largely against annexing Serbia especially early on. They only wanted to dominate the Balkans economically and politically, not control them directly.

@deltoroperdedor3166

4 жыл бұрын

Technically yes, however Albania was occupied by Italian troups early on, before being pushed back into Greece and Macedonia, so it's likely that the restored government would still be dependent on the Central Powers after their victory

Knowing what I know about history during the 17th Century and earlier, it's no wonder that the similar tactic of creating puppet states is used here, as many of the Central Powers were born or came to prominence during this chaotic time and still operated out of that mindset. The Allies, of course, also sort of had 'puppet states,' but referred to them as 'mandates.' But the Allies were more colonial than the Central Powers who were mainly just looking to pop up allies in Europe and spread influence there. It would be very interesting to see how the world would have been shaped by a Central Powers victory; perhaps history would have slowed down a bit and nuclear weapons not invented?

@diegoyqulki

Жыл бұрын

In spanish Cómo hubiera Sido el idioma alemán? Osea no se hubiera extinto en polonia y hubiera estado en África

Please make a video based on what the Entente countries wanted to gain and what actually gained, Like France, Greece, Serbia those countries wished for more lands but they didn't gained those lands at all

@Dimitris-cg6hb

4 жыл бұрын

@Gabriel Pineda indeed

I don't know if anybody mentioned it before, but It's interesting that in 1916, week before USA came to war, Germany send Peace Offer to England that would leave things at status Quo, considering that Allies were losing the war at that time, England was seriously considering offer.

Wouldn't Austria want to annex parts of Italy which were lost during the previous century? (Venetia during the Austrian-Prussian War and Lombardy during the Austrian-Sardinian war)?

@momoney507

8 жыл бұрын

Italy was an ally to Germany Before the war broke out! But they didn't join in on their side because the British were so rich and Italy had food problems and such. Austrians were defining against the Italians during the Great War, but pretty sure that Astrian would have taken those lands if they won the war.

@barrankobama4840

8 жыл бұрын

+John Paul Mizzi This video is about the ex ante claims of the various states. As at the beginning Italy was not involved, no claim was made on italian territory. Of course once Italy joined the fight, if it would have lost it would have lost some territory, but to be decided yet.

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

4 жыл бұрын

@@barrankobama4840 Italy would have ceased to exist as a state if it lost.

@barrankobama4840

4 жыл бұрын

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 why so? Did Germany ceased to exist after WWI?

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

4 жыл бұрын

@@barrankobama4840 No it did not, but it did after WWII. There would have been strong incentive, especially for Austria to reparpartition the Italian Kingdoms.

What sources did you use? I can't find anything about Germany annexing certain puppets and not annexing others?.

@An5w3r-77

3 жыл бұрын

Just look up the September program

@dizzydean2767

4 ай бұрын

@@An5w3r-77 It does not specify that only, the baltics, crimea, and Poland would be puppets.

Very nice video you should do what if the Allies, Entente whatever you call them won you know the side with Andorra

All that death for a minor rearrangement of the map

Ayyy, that could be pretty cool. Independent Ukraine was actually fully supported by german military power through period of it's monarchy (Skoropadsky and Hetmanat). So if Germans could win war, USSR could be much less powerful then, and WW2 definitely wouldn't started at all.

@Deathcap99

8 жыл бұрын

Actually, Germany technically one against the russians through the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but due to the germans losing on the western front, the treaty was not recognized by the rest of the world.

@InvaderNaj

7 жыл бұрын

i heard there were plans to attack the ussr after the military had recovered to destroy the red devils

Look up the mod Kaiserreich for the game Darkest Hour and Hearts of Iron 2, it goes into extreme detail about the results of a central powers victory

@DasRaetsel

8 жыл бұрын

+ziggyzap1 Love that game

@JohnSmith-ux4hn

8 жыл бұрын

+ziggyzap1 This mod is super awesome but I think it's a little bit exaggerated.

Nice video

Habsburgs:Whatever,We have a different way to conquering Europe:not by army,by marriage between houses

Fascinating, sounds accurate too. Also looks like the aftermath of a peace treaty from a game of EU4 (haven't played Victoria yet).

I’ll help you fill in some info. Germany wished to take the Belgian Congo from Belgium, and the southern half of French Equatorial Africa. Germany would have created the colony of Middle Africa from it as well.

nice...you missed Austria wanting some of Italy though, at least after Italy tried to take some of their land, I think.

Do an alternate end of the yugoslav wars next. Always wondered what a bosnian Serb win would have looked like.

There were attempts to reform Austria-Hungary to become a trialist monarchy, with south Slavic territories as the third entity under the Croatian Crown. This would probably happen if Central Powers won.

@Quintinohthree

8 жыл бұрын

And if nobody had shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand, all ethnicities of Austria-Hungary would have gotten their own state once he took the throne without a need for the worst war in history.

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

4 жыл бұрын

@@Quintinohthree Yes, if the monarchy survived it would undoubtedly confederate sooner or later.

@Quintinohthree

4 жыл бұрын

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 The results were inevitable, and it is absolutely regretable how it had to come to these results, but that is history.

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

4 жыл бұрын

@@Quintinohthree The ballanazition of central europe was not inevitable, but preventing it would ha e either required a victory in the war, extremely unlikely, or a decade or more of peace, again extremely unlikely.

@Quintinohthree

4 жыл бұрын

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 With nationalistic fervor running high and all these distinct ethnicities all wishing a state of their own, I most certainly do think it was inevitable, I just think the Habsburg Monarchy could have survived in some way uniting them, although with Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, Serbs and Italians all spread across their borders into neighbouring countries, it would certainly be difficult.

Where on earth did you learn those pronounciations?

I only knew about your second channel from this video

5 years later... I'am here...

This IS alternate history. The war aim discussion was never finished in Germany. For example there were three big German concepts for the Polish "Grenzstreifen". It also included the option to annex nothing in Russian Poland. Some of the concepts aimed on a realization at war, which never happened. The other areas in Eastern Europe and as well in Western Europe were similar problematic. It is also highly controversial among historians, which aims would have been realized in the case of victory for the Central Powers. Sry, but this video presents an assertion. I like almost all of your other videos and your channel, but in this case I have to give a TD.

@Nikolapoleon

8 жыл бұрын

+Jonnymur Well... I didn't know about any of this, and as such can't make informed conclusions of my own, so now I feel that I must ask: Which plans do YOU think would have been realized if the Germans won (in the 1918 Spring Offensive)? Moreover, which did the Kaiser support (since those would've most likely been given approval)?

@Mario7746

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. They also are just that, plans. Who's to say they would have been applied as-is ?

the good ending 😔

Hey that's a great video! I'm actually working on a mod for a historical strategy game called Supreme Ruler called Triumph of the Kaiser. Could I have you sources for the Belarusian and Crimean borders/puppet states?

i just realized that this video was about kaiserreich before kaiserreich, hell even before hoi4 itself released