BEFORE FREAKING OUT: I got Daddy Hoff's explicit permission to troll him. He enjoyed it. Let's not get too serious here. Posting this before any freak out. Also, like and subscribe would be highly appreciated if you enjoyed! (edit)- ALSO please understand this video is a comparison. Yes, I do not use the actively heating element of the flair 58. The flair 58 with heating element is $600. Without, it is $500. So, one reason was to keep things equal. Secondly, I did loads of temp testing in my previous flair 58 video. figured it was good to show what people with the x need to do. Thirdly, I wanted to level the playing field. This is a comparison. NOT a showdown (which is best). Please view accordingly and do NOT get offended if I don't declare the one you own as best. Thanks

@Kiaulen

5 ай бұрын

I wonder why they couldn't (on the aram) just essentially drill a hole in the side at the bottom of the group and shove a (threaded) pressure gauge right there. 🤔 I'm not a mechanical engineer, but that'd be the first thing I'd try. Still though, the pressure gauge inside the threads is pretty cool.

@parasbhargava6047

5 ай бұрын

timestamp of when you are trolling him please!

@catchacoolbreeze

5 ай бұрын

Soooooo funny!!! I loved it and it looked like it was in good fun.

@Kiaulen

5 ай бұрын

@@parasbhargava6047 It's about 5:40

@matthewwilson9749

5 ай бұрын

Yes, I finished the 35 minute video. Good comparison though. I have a flare pro two and it makes some fantastic shots, but I understand the 58 is a much better machine in terms of workflow.

Wow that pressure gauge design with concentric rings is absolutely gorgeous, what a great idea

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

Right? Great design.

@mattscarf

5 ай бұрын

Totally agree, especially as it’s giving off Genesis Device vibes!

@georgestone8099

5 ай бұрын

Right? So satisfying. I have no need for an espresso maker like that, but I want it..

@Fatbutnotflat

5 ай бұрын

Its like a pressure cooker

@michaeldimmitt2188

5 ай бұрын

Would love to know if the ring pressure gauge has to be maintained or a certain cleaning regimen. It would suck if it started malfunctioning and giving incorrect readings without you being aware of the problem. (or why your shots didn’t taste right) Great video!

One nice trick for the Aram preheating from Brazilian forums is that the holes on top have been enlarged in more recent versions to fit those cartridge style heating elements. So basically you can fill it with water, stick the heater in and can bring it to a boil inside of the machine without having to keep running water through it. It does take a while but works really well for getting it nice and boiling hot. Pulled many fantastic light roast shots with it.

@rpastore1313

5 ай бұрын

Yes!!! I use this as well and works perfectly even with light roast coffee beans.

@MD-ws1dg

5 ай бұрын

Can you put a link to the heaters you're referring to? I've never seen those before. Thanks!

@diegoeffio

5 ай бұрын

Onde acho esse post, fera?

@rpastore1313

5 ай бұрын

@@diegoeffio clube de café "eletrificando Aram"

Ayyyy! Don't skip the ad, folks, we got the rare (and precious) Lance beatboxing!

@Kiaulen

5 ай бұрын

I finished the video as well! Thanks Lance for this awesome comparison!

I am using the cafelar robot for three months now. I absolutely love it. There are so many ways to create your own style of espresso with it. I love the cute design and the strong build. There are still so many tricks to explore with the robot. So I wont get bored with it

Yes sir, we do finish watching your videos. I love the deep dive stuff, where I can get into the nitty gritty details of the things I enjoy. Plus, there's always one or two comments that really get my creative juices growing and trying new things with my coffee. So, yeah. Thanks.

Your previous video about the Robot inspired me to buy one and it’s honestly my most favourite purchase EVER!!! Thank you very much for reaffirming how amazing the robot is and keep up the good work!

Wow, another masterpiece of a video! Thanks for showing the world a Brazilian product! Here in the Brazilian coffee forum, someone managed to get a shipment of thin heat coils custom ordered from aliexpress to fit through the top holes, to turn the Aram into am actively heated machine. In my opinion, This, along with the pressure gauge, makes it a very versatile machine

The tamping noise at 10:00 brought back memories. Thx Lance!

I've had my Cafelat for 4 years now. Absolutely love it. One thing - i dont think it's necessary to go to 9 bar. You get beautiful shots with a 2 bar pre infusion, ramp to 6 bar and back down to 2.

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

Of course..never necessary. I go into depths about this in plenty other videos. But majority still do

@Hexensohn

3 ай бұрын

If this is true, why do I always see people saying "iF iT dOeSn'T gEt To 9 BaRs It'S nOt EsPrEsSo!!!!!1!!"

I have the robot, I never preheat and it’s excellent with dark roasts. The basket is also much easier to use when filling from my Pharos hand grinder and I think it’s better for other grinders as well because it’s a deep basket rather than a shallow basket that needs a funnel or something.

@88sstraight

5 ай бұрын

Yep, no muss no fuss

Man, your videos just so insightful, interesting, and enjoyable to watch. Thank you so much for making and sharing these with all of us. Us coffee geeks are lucky to have you!

Enjoyed the video and very glad you shared about pressure/force needed for the 3. It is what held me back from getting a lever. Would prefer the Aram for me then Flair. Thanks for the video.

Nice vid and subject! I recently ordered the Rossa HC-P, which is similar to the Aram, but with some design choices that I preferred.

The Robot doesn't need to be preheated for any roast. You can compensate for the thermal drop off with a much finer grind and longer preinfusion. The outcome is the same: higher extraction. Even with very light roats, doing it this way removes the preheating step and produces delicious, well extracted shots.

@LanceHedrick

Ай бұрын

Eh. Not with the lights I use. What is the lightest roaster you've had success with?

@LanceHedrick

Ай бұрын

I also hate finer grinds. More bitterness and more potential astringent compounds.

@Ryan-yh9ii

Ай бұрын

I've had success with PT's Coffee Flor Del Sol, which I personally consider very light. This method isn't perfect, and the potential for astringency is there, but I've had success doing it this way. I just don't like the additional preheating step and this method produces great cups with less fuss. With 100C water off the boil, I aim for a 20-30 second preinfusion at 2 bar, then slowly ramp to 6-7 bar and proceed with a declining pressure profile throughout the shot. I never had issues with bitterness, but perhaps that's partially due to my lower pressures overall? The cups are wonderfully sweet, well extracted and highlight the finer notes of the bean. You should give it a try for sure!

@LanceHedrick

Ай бұрын

@Ryan-yh9ii ah yeah. For me, that is actually quite dark. And I'm not just saying that.

This is such perfect timing. I was looking at manual machines trying to find one I like.

Awesome comparison! Thank you for this video, this is exactly what I needed, I'll be upgrading my Neo Flex soon and this is really helpful. I watched the whole video, too.

I have been using Flairs for 5-6 years and really love them. I've only used the classic/signature/Pro models and with those I can get AMAAAAZING shots including from the lightest roasted beans you'll ever find. And now they have the Flex which is soooo cheap but has the same capabilities. That's amazing. Just crazy value. Back when I got started the only options were the Rok and the Flair Classic. These other two machines in the video have some design aspects that look really great. One that is awesome is being able to use normal baskets in the Aram. That's really cool.

The cafelat robot now comes with a red rubber stopper that fits into the dual spout so you preheat both the portafilter and the piston now.

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

Oh clutch!

@kurisutofusan

5 ай бұрын

Hi, I could not find anything about this. Do you have a link I could refer to?

@Fatbutnotflat

5 ай бұрын

​@@kurisutofusanleaving a comment for notification. Needed that too

@whodere

5 ай бұрын

@@Fatbutnotflat Its called the Basket Plug, can be found on Cafelat's website under spare parts.

@djmeri00

5 ай бұрын

Yes, I have it and it's great. It fits at the bottom of a portalifter just like the gray one on the video.

Watched the whole video. I would add that the robot mittens help a lot with pulling a shot and making it more comfortable. I was anti mittens for a while then got some. It is the move. Also orphan espresso the grinder company makes a lot of cool wood accent pieces for the robot and some other tools like a tamper and a wdt/rake

@iamjayrobinson

5 ай бұрын

think this just sealed the deal for me, thanks!!!

Lance, if you rotate the Robot 180 degrees you can see the original pressure gauge easily :)

Watched till the end. I love the idea and aesthetics of the Robot and it will definitely be my first espresso machine, this video just further confirmed it. The workflow does seem kind of messy on the flair and not having to rely on preheat seems like a huge win for me.

@user-yk5ln8lp2v

5 ай бұрын

I think you'll be happy. As someone who's tried both the robot is definitely the better workflow out of the two. Don't get me wrong the flare 58 is still a good machine, but there's a lot going on with it and requires more maintenance and a weaker workflow. The robot is just the perfect sweet spot.... It's the one I kept as my daily driver

cool. I already own a Cafelat Robot but still watched the whole video anyways lol. I was considering the Flair 58x before but after watching all the extra steps to pre-heat and potential mess I am very happy I opted for the Robot. Simple pre heat or no pre heat at all, and no electronics needed. I do still wish the Robot allowed me to use 58mm accessories though. I kind of wish there was a manual espresso machine with the robots piston and basket but Flairs handle/base.

I've used both the Robot and Flair 58. I agree with your assessment of both. I personally prefer the Robot for both UX and aesthetics. My only complaint is the stock gauge orientation.

Watched to the end. 👍 For me this was another pointer that the Robot is where I want to aim for in my coffee journey.

OMG OMG exactly what I needed for my christmas!

I spent 3+ years carrying a Robot with me throughout Europe, and it was fabulous. I only needed an electric kettle which every Airbnb has, and a good hand grinder. If not for needing to limit my total luggage, I’d still have it - totally recommended.

@chunkiddcheung3889

5 ай бұрын

Just out of curiosity, which hand grinder did you go for?

@ericpmoss

5 ай бұрын

@@chunkiddcheung3889 I have been using a BPlus from Taiwan for 6-7 years. The Comandante was recommended, but I don’t have large enough hands to hold it easily. The burrs on the BPlus are very good and it’s well-built, but there are three negatives - the metal is smooth enough that I really have to grip it like a gorilla for light roasts, the threaded grounds holder requires care to not cross-thread, and there is popcorning. So, results are great, and adjustment is super easy, but it’s 1050g, and carrying that plus the Robot in addition to everything else is a pain. For home, I’d keep it just because I don’t see that spending the same amount again would improve results. For travel in places with great coffee, I’d visit the shops. For elsewhere, given that I have way too much other luggage, I’d get a ZP6 or QS2 and good tea bags for hybrid pour over/steeping.

@ericpmoss

3 ай бұрын

@@chunkiddcheung3889 I had a BPlus Apollo. It was a bit of a pain dealing with the 1050g weight and the threaded catch cup which can cross-thread very easily. However, the Commandante was just too big for my hands, and the Kinu wasn't in stock at the time. The grind quality is very good -- excellent Turkish and espresso, but for drip, there is no point in spending that money when a 1ZPresso QS2 is half the weight. If I weren't traveling at all, I'd have stuck with my HG-1 for espresso/Turkish and a ZP6 for drip. But, I'm cutting down on everything since it has to be carried, and that means a QS2 and small tea bags to filter.

Great to see the breakdown of manual espresso machines, according to which roast profile you prefer, thanks @LanceHedrick. Personally I like moving around from light to dark and my flair signature is more than sufficient for that and a better budget option.

Regarding gasket longevity. I have the flair pro 2, and I always heat my group and basket up on top of a mocapot base, while I prep my grounds, let the water boil. I leave it on boil for 5-8min, until the temp sticker is at 100C, and then some more to make sure. Doing that since 3 years, no issues yet. During cleaning I found them to be as good as my new backup gaskets I have just in case.

That pressure gauge design is GENIUS!!!! And so beautifully crafted and integrated. 😅

I'm a happy Robot user and I just love it to bits. It's the simplest to get started as an espresso beginner and the looks are hard to beat! I'd get the mitten add on to make it more comfortable to push down.

Great video really enjoyed watching keep up the good work

watched to the end. Thanks, considering a manual machine. Very helpful.

Great video. I think Portaspresso should've earned a shout-out for releasing what I think is the original screw mechanism espresso maker back in 2009: Rossa HC. You can put a bit more water in the Robot's basket and use a regular kettle to up the starting temperature to ~95C.

I watched through no problem. Great comparison. I did not know about the Aram, which looks great, but the manual Robot automatically won my heart when I saw it the 1st time.

Just finished watching the whole video. It's nice to know the pre-heat workflow, which is a very important part of the process with manual machines. I feel like going with the Flair pro 2 might be ideal for me since I prefer filter coffee, and spending around +150 or more for a manual espresso machine doesn't feel like is going to take the game one step beyond.

I bought robot few days ago, it is impossible to ruin a shot, such a great machine. Might as well sell my Mitica, I use it mostly for frothing these days anyway😂

@jatinthebox8574

5 ай бұрын

Robot + dualit cino here

@makaw2006

5 ай бұрын

@@jatinthebox8574 I am shopping for a frother, most likely will give nanofoamer a try

Superb episode, thank you. Do you have a video installation of the pressure measurement system?

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

Gabor does! Smart Espresso Profiler.

Moar manual espresso machines content! I’d love to see a video about how to save shots if we grinded to finely/coarsely.

Not sure if that “squirrel” bit is a reference to Up but I love to hear it. My parents say it all the time and I’m so used to hearing it from them, it’s funny hearing it from others.

I usually watch your entire video and leave feeling pretty informed about the topic

Awesome video Lance! really thinking about getting a lever machine during 2024. I love the robot but the shipping costs are quiet high, so trying to work that out

Kudos for putting excellent effort on the sponsor section!

Oh, I must say, even though I won't get an Aram (I like medium and light roasts, so not very practical), I love its design and the pressure gauge. What an ingenious way of showing pressure, that's so nifty! I also so enjoy the design of the Cafelat, it's so adorable! However, I am still set on the Flair 58! Thanks, Lance, very informative and fun as usual.

@jo.comics

5 ай бұрын

Also, and this is off-topic really, but sweet shirt, dude

@jakebrown3822

5 ай бұрын

I used to own a Robot but gave up on home espresso. I recently purchased a 58+ as a missed espresso so much. As Lance said, the Robot is incredibly easy to use and more fool proof, but the 58+ is definitely a more capable machine - and I wanted 58mm accessories... You can't go wrong with either! I do miss the little Robot on my counter top, though. Beautiful little machine.

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

@@jakebrown3822 great breakdown! agreed.

@sixelanavi03

4 ай бұрын

@@jakebrown3822how do you find the 58 vs cafelat? I have the cafelat and thinking of getting the 58+

@jakebrown3822

4 ай бұрын

@@sixelanavi03 Really enjoying it. Its very easy to get a proper god shot every time that tastes fantastic with great texture. I'd say its definitely a more textural experience than the Robot. With that said, if I had a Robot I'd probably just keep the Robot, unless you really just want a change. The Robot is just as capable, its way nicer to look at IMO, and its easier to use (a higher margin for error).

Loved the video, watched it all! All these machines look amazing, but the robot is first on my wishlist. The retro look, small size and workflow…

Thank you so much! I've seen so much marketing for the Flair that I was worried it's competitors wouldn't have as strong of a community. I'm most-interested in the Aram after watching this, but I do drink a lot of light roasts and will make sure I'm ready to accommodate them before buying.

absolutely loved the video. Especially the dramatics with the singing. I drink all roast levels, it depends on my taste for the day. I tend to stick to Light, medium-light, and medium-roasted coffees. I am thinking about getting a manual espresso machine to make Pumpkin Spice lattes at home and it would be nice for it to be portable as well for travel. What do you all reccomend?

Awesome review, Lance! Kazak Rota next? Im really interested in your view on that piece of art of a manual coffee machine!

Lance not only do we finish your videos but I think most of us are left wanting more. I mean, I don’t know what else you could have done, that was about as thorough as it gets, but still!

Great video, Lance. I was eager for your video about the Aram, I have one and love using it. If it's not asking too much, you have any plans on making a dedicaded Aram video dialing in espresso? Now I know I have to preheat more than I usually do (2 maybe 3 cycles). Thank you so much for this masterpiece of coffee content

Excellent showdown! I love my Cafelat Robot - it's just perfect for my needs and the community around it is great. It would be great to see a comparison between Aram Coffee Maker and Kazak Rota. Aram is beautiful, and Kazak seems quite efficient (and it uses similar mechanism).

@tyleehamauku413

5 ай бұрын

The Aram coffee maker just needs thermal improvements, that's all. A very good looking coffee maker to ad to my coffee making experience

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

yes, i'll get one eventually!

@michaeldimmitt2188

5 ай бұрын

@@LanceHedrickdid you ever test the R.O.K.? If so is it on par with these three?

ROBOT FTW! 🙌 unless you’re light roast hardcore person, there’s no contest in terms of comfort, workflow, maintenance, footprint, built quality (robustness), minimalistic approach, portability. Aesthetics is up to the eyes of the beholder. Finally, I found it ridiculously easy to achieve great shots almost instantly. Within a month of use I was pulling shots that easily rivalled and even surpassed top specialist coffee places around. Best investment ever! More money for an end game grinder (which more important) than a speced up bells and whistles boiler machine.

@TheRockyBalboa100

Ай бұрын

Is it possible to use light roast with the Robot? After pre heating ofcourse

@gpapa31

13 күн бұрын

@@TheRockyBalboa100 medium/light yes (with preheating for piston + basket / VERY WELL). Light roast no. At least I haven’t managed good results no matter what I do. *I am always comparing my results with my local roaster where I get the beans from.

@TheRockyBalboa100

13 күн бұрын

@@gpapa31 thanks bro. I will leave the light roasts for pour overs then

@gpapa31

13 күн бұрын

@@TheRockyBalboa100 sorry for the late response. Ask around though, maybe others have found ways to work it for light roast. I have a friend who claims he can pull light roast shots. We disagree on the matter but 🤷 what can I say. Having tried loads of great specialty coffee across the world I think I have a good grasp on whether a shot is successful or not. And light roasts, for me at least, are never good with the Robot, sadly.

I went back and forth between the F58 and the Robot, ended up with the robot because of its simplicity, ease of repair and build quality. I couldn't be more happy. My only critique is the pressure that the arms/claws put on your hands is kind of brutal if you do more than one or 2 shots. I bought the weighted end-ball thingys (Update: mittens) for the hands and it has helped but am in the process of making some larger wooden ones to to distribute the pressure on my hands a little bit better. Nonetheless, love my robot!

Watched to the end. Thanks Lance.

I preferred the f58 because of its versatility, it’s heat management, temperature stability, no need for modding and it allows me to use a huge variety of standardised accessories such as the new precisions basket such as Weber Unibasket. I was never that huge of a fan of the pressure control of the Robot but that’s probably largely due to me having use the one arm levers before, so I knew that box and can get a nice gentle and precise control with it. If one has never tried manual espresso then yes f58 is definitely a steeper learning curve and can be less forgiving then the Robot, but largely be handled by just getting more forgiving baskets. But honestly I prefer the faster, more normal less faff workflow that resembles a normal espresso machine. The Robot is honestly more for the tinkering type if you intend to use it for light, if one doesn’t like tinkering and drinking light I honestly wouldn’t go with it, but it’s a fun little machine that make great espresso. I do agree that turning the preheat off before pulling the shot on f58 is advisable for most coffees, but I did try some coffee where it actually improved with the rising temperature profile. If one get the f58x there isn’t really much to actually repair on except the gasket. It’s a rather simplistic machine Gasket material can withstand up until about 200 degrees Celsius so no chance they fail by heating it up that way, same with the silicone grease you use to lubricate it with.

You are making me addicted to anything coffee, thanks for the shot of humour.

Amazing comparison, thanks! I love my robot!! My game changer (thanks Reddit) was the overflow method. Just let the boiling water overflow in the sink when pouring in the basket. Result is a much higher temperature at the start pulling the shot without loosing much time!

Dude, the pressure gauge is like a jump pack for the robot. Awesome :)

Okay i lost my shit. Those concentric circles for pressure and incredible. So simple to the user, straightforward and adds so much to the aesthetic of the device

Thank you for another great video!! I would like your opinion for the 9barista if you have some time. A review would be highly appreciated. Thanks again!

Nice! I am glad that I got one of the last completely polished Robots before Paul stopped making them for effort reasons back in the days. I really should use it more often but since I got a Decent three years ago… 🤷

As someone who owned both the Robot and the F58 I really appreciated this video! I think you pointed everything out pretty well, even if I don't agree with everything you said. I overall prefer the F58 which is why I sold my Robot but honestly, I never had as much trouble selling something as I did my Robot! I LOVED it! It has a charm that's really hard to explain but to me one arm just worked so much better that two in controlling pressure.

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

Curious what you disagree with?

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

And thanks for watching!

@Dis236

5 ай бұрын

Just the one or two arm thing that I mentioned above! Sorry if that wasn't clear!

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

Oh! I missed the last paragraph. Didn't click "read more" ha!

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

And that is fair!

Finished the video. Awesome content my boy!

Been watching a lot of reviews for Cafelat Robot and Flair, I decided to a buy Cafelat Robot last month with 1zpresso x-pro s grinder full manual set up still waiting for my Manual Milk Steamer and Cafelat accessories. been doing good tasting shots with the Robot really like the workflow also you can make good shot without preheat that a win for me the build quality is great build like a tank most important is it is easy to clean.

Ohhh, the Aram is an amazing bit of clever engineering, I really like it. If these machines were actually all the same price-point I might get one (I do not consider everything < $500 to all be the same point, personally... and Aram doesn't even make that range), but Flair just has more affordable options. The Nomad is tempting though, not included in this showdown, but Nomad is the only one of these manual machines that can do longs and sprovers. But really probably going to go Flair.

Thanks for another great video Lance! I am right there with you on an the ADD struggles ❤ I wish you had gone into more detail about options for steaming milk on these. If I ever got an espresso machine, it would be largely for making cortados (distant second would be sprover/turbo/filter 3.0) so understanding my milk steaming solution before purchase is essential. This did re-affirm my thinking that Flair 58 would be my current best choice for a budget lever machine 👍

@fabianporst5847

5 ай бұрын

You can not steam milk on any of these

@michaeldimmitt2188

5 ай бұрын

Correct that these three models have no steam capacity. Look for the Bellmam Stovetop Steamer.

Excellent videos, hair dryer can do good job for heating up parts.

Great video. The pressure gauge is pretty

Was so looking forward to this one! The teasers in the background were really irking me

Any thoughts on coffee subscriptions? Just got myself the K-Ultra grinder and want to step up my coffee game. I live in Southern California and have checked out some local roasters which have been great but would like to expand a bit. I’m using an aeropress. Thanks and love your videos!!

I've got Flair 58 electric version and 1ZPresso J-Max S - very pleasing manual combo. I ordered J-Ultra a few days ago and it should arrive to me by the end of this week. I quite like to make espresso this way, but I wouldn't like to preheat a grouphead by putting it on the kettle. I'd rather keep my electric module on XD PS: Dialing in with J-Max is totally unproblematic. Absolutely brilliant grinder, so it's succesor will, undoubtely, be as good as previous model.

Great video as usual! Any suggestions on whee to buy the Aram Manual Espresso Maker in the states?

Diggin the new eq on your vox

I just ordered a Flair Classic with Pro 2 upgrades (Hate the rose gold accents on the pro machines). I hope I’m strong/heavy enough to pull a shot on it, as I am small. If not, I’ll get a step stool and lean on it! I love these toys. Already have a Picopresso with stand for the travel I never do, and a fully modded Gaggia for every day at home… Fun $💕$

I LOVE the aesthetics of the Aram, but I'm not doing all that with the temp management.

@LanceHedrick

5 ай бұрын

it's a lot in its current form, for sure.

I finished the video, great job!

Watched till the end and it was great.

Great ad performance!

Your Robot looks like it's rockin a little jetpack. Now mine wants one too.

@Creativitybias

5 ай бұрын

And yes, finished the video. And even though I've been using the Robot for some time now, I did learn something!

I always watch your videos all the way through and I really appreciate all the effort you put on them, Lance. You're truly an inspiration 💜 Pd: I specially enjoy the rants :)

I always love your videos! Thanks for all that you do! I have the Flair 58. The machine is pretty amazing. I, on the other hand, am obviously NOT. First, I'm a dark roast guy. I have a J Max manual grinder (thanks in no small part to your reviews). I have tried numerous different beans. MY espresso shots are crap! I'm frustrated to the point of regretting my purchase of a manual machine. I wanted the manual machine for the process. I expected a learning curve. However...

@kencoleman5686

5 ай бұрын

Get a VST basket

@mpjdrizzt

5 ай бұрын

@@kencoleman5686 I already have that. I'm pretty sure that it's a lot of things that I'm doing wrong. I definitely can't blame the equipment.

Ok you really made me wanna get the Cafelat Robot with this one. I blame you for my eventual dive into the sproverse 😂

Great. thanks! How didn't you include the uniterra nomad?

As a manual lever lover, your video conveyed so much and was a real pleasure to watch! Owning both the 58 and the Bot, 100% in agreement with your findings : Bot is so forgiving (use it with my kids on the weekends to share the passion, they love their time helping daddy with coffee playing), and really shines at medium roast espresso, while Flair is more “precise” and its thermal management makes it perfect for light roasts (that’s what I use it for). Now, can I curse you a bit for highlighting that concentric ring pressure control? Now I want one of these… 🤣 Two things which I felt are also quite important: 1/ the puck feedback you get from the Bot makes it more intuitive to use than the Flair, and 2/ the Flair 58 (because of its standard size) is a perfect companion to a e61/traditional machine for getting into flow profiling.

Of course I always finish every video, Lance. If I didn't, how could I make sure I wasn't missing out on that angelic voice?

Hey Lance, I’ve noticed you have the fish pro kettle there. Thoughts? I like my regular fish but man adjusting the temp is annoying.

With the picopresso now having a pressure gauge option and an official stand I see that machine moving up peoples list as it's just about $200 for the full setup

05:14 just became my new notification tone!

I am in love with this shirt !

I would like one that works well for the Rao Allongé so 1:5 and most manual makers are on the line. The only exception is the nomad but the nomad goes all the way to the other end with its huge capacity and 49mm basket format haha.

You need to get the little round hands for the Robot. Gives you maybe 10% more mechanical advantage. Improves the looks too. I wonder about pre heating piston and basket with a heating gun?

Hey Lance! I did finish the video. Actually, I watch all of your videos end to end. Yours and Daddy Hoff's that is :)

As someone who doesn't see a need to move on from my flair classic after many years, still enjoyed this whole video

Enjoyed the video and watched it all! Thanks Lance! I’m a cafelat robot owner but have never used powered espresso machines. I’ve always wondered how espresso and drinks made from the robot compares to more expensive espresso machines with a boiler in terms of taste and quality, all else being equal. Am I missing out? Or what price point machine would robot be equivalent to? Or can robot be endgame quality with enough practice? For reference, I enjoy med-light single origin coffees and typically make cortados with a nanofoamer but will taste my shots. I feel like a lot of espresso/drinks I order in cafes are either bad or intentionally pulled way too sour to shine through milk drinks, so I practically consider them different drinks. Even still there is some quality to the cafe drinks that I can’t replicate and don’t know how to describe.

@JaylewAF11

5 ай бұрын

I owned a Breville Infuser and a Lelit Bianca before switching to a Robot and Bellman Steamer prior to a move overseas. The espresso from the Robot is just as good as the Bianca and in some ways is more forgiving. The biggest thing you get from a $3k dual boiler is easier workflow and better steaming capability. It's far easier to make drinks for multiple people with a Bianca than a Robot. If you do a lot of milk drinks, a full machine might be worth it. But if you are just looking for an upgrade for the taste, the best way to do that is with your grinder.

Hey Lance, would you say there is much advantage getting a BDB for someone that already owns a robot and brews maximum 4 back to back shots a day?

What is that $20 scale you mentioned at 22:18? I’ve been needing a new scale because my current one doesn’t fit on my espresso machine

Robot all the way. No preheating in most cases. The only complaint is hard to get single shot right ;) and no standardised porter filter 😅

I've started to cutoff the temperature control after preinfusion on my 58 and I find my shots to be better tasting overall.

@Yirgamalabar

5 ай бұрын

How early before pulling the shot do you turn off the heating element?

@petes_CE

5 ай бұрын

@@Yirgamalabar after preinfusion, which can be anywhere from 5-15 seconds into pulling the shot.

Where did you find the gage from gabor in Hungary, I can not find it? Thanks! Again a great video thanks…. Currently I have the K-Ultra grinder with the robot and while still dialling in the espresso is already great. However, the k-ultra has to be set lower than 3 which apparently is the starting point for espresso, I reckon I have to be somewhere at 1.6-1.7 to get the right grind for the robot.,

@ritaweygint4038

Күн бұрын

Great tip, thanks! I have this grinder, and the recommended settings are all too coarse!

Can you make a video about the ROK, I've been using one for 2 years and have a lot of fun with it and would be interested to know what you think of it