Magic in 2001 Was Truly Something Else | Fires vs Nether-Go
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We invited special guest Frank Karsten to play the 2001 World Championship Top 4 decks and show us what the game was like back then! We experience the unparalleled power of green creatures with haste, fade counters and high stakes bluffing.
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@zigzag2370
8 ай бұрын
I'd love to see the psychatog deck in action if you have it in gold border
@zigzag2370
8 ай бұрын
When playing against fires it was. ALWAYS important to counter the threats not the fires bc what happens is the threats are the issue where fires is just a do nothing enchantment that gives his mana acceleration dudes haste at worst
@Spiqaro
3 ай бұрын
Have you guys made a video for "Magic in 2000 Was Truly Something Else"? I can find all the other years, but not this one. Also, you guys should follow-up these videos with the other two decks that you didn't feature for each respective year.
5-0 split really shows the difference between normal player and Frank Karsten
@uriarte411
9 ай бұрын
The huge thing to is the mindset. I would've had that exact board state, 2 cards in hand, my opponent rips 5 good spells and I would've just tilted and done a 3/2 split without thinking and lost right there. The mind of champions is something else
@kingnapikkingoficeland7856
9 ай бұрын
honestly, i did not understand the strategy behind the 5-0 split. Care to explain?
@simionion9998
9 ай бұрын
@@kingnapikkingoficeland7856the strat is that if he toralf takes the five, and Frank has a blood oath, he loses because he has too many instants and takes 3 for each, but if he takes zero cards, he gets zero cards. And a 3-2 split would not be enough instants to make toralf lose to blood oath.
@C._Bradford
9 ай бұрын
Probably helps a lot that he played when these decks were in standard. Just look at the sideboarding. He talks through it but let's be real knew EXACTLY what cards to take out and which to put in for this exact match up.
@kingnapikkingoficeland7856
9 ай бұрын
@@simionion9998 thanks for the explanation
Those two Fact of Fictions at the end felt like the scene from The Princess Bride. "I am not a fool who would cast a 4 mana spell for zero cards, so I obviously cannot take the pile in front of you. But you know I am not a fool, so I obviously cannot take the pile in front of me!"
@doleod6340
9 ай бұрын
Frank has spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.
@MindstabThrull
9 ай бұрын
At which point, he falls over dead next turn... sounds about right!
@ethanunderwood3024
9 ай бұрын
You've made your decision then?
The Blood Oath Fiction, followed by the Blood Oath Fact was so much fun. This was my favorite of these games with Frank so far!
@v-niftytrickster4166
9 ай бұрын
Okay this comment was very clever
@imhoenn5710
9 ай бұрын
Goated comment
Seeing Frank actually flip the Blood Oath had me slap the arm of my chair laughing. How he had a poker face in that situation is beyond me.
@pinobluevogel6458
9 ай бұрын
Didn't see him flinch at all. :)
@sk8rdman
9 ай бұрын
100% The perfect bluff, followed by the perfect draw, and backed up by the perfect poker face. I was losing it when I saw him draw Blood Oath. Such a narrow window to victory, and his seemingly nonsensical play paid off. This is one of the most epic moments of magic I've ever seen.
@cleanartcollective
9 ай бұрын
played like a true professional! I can't believe that top deck!!!
@andrewblair6770
9 ай бұрын
I slammed my hand on the table in excitement. What a great game
@uriarte411
9 ай бұрын
Honestly one of the hardest I've ever laughed at a youtube video
I am so glad that those "wanna take these five cards?" bluffs worked. It rewarded Frank for seeing the only window to win! Amazing video
@keithbarlow9701
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, that was a big brain play like none other. Bluffing in Magic is truly an art form lol
@naz-ghul6327
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, as muth as i like thoralf he missplayed hard here, i dont think he will do this if the decks were meta he is used to. The proper play was obv. To put aside counterspell, 2 lands, never use those resources and eazy win. Props. For punishing this by some big brain plays
@pinobluevogel6458
9 ай бұрын
Always play to your outs. Also, keeping up counter magic at all times would have won this indeed. Can't really blame Thoralf for not knowing the ins and outs of the deck or the format though.
@mtgnoodz
9 ай бұрын
Wdym not know ins and outs, this was a simple take the 5 cards hold 2 counterspells and not have to worry about blood oath
@nadoghost146
9 ай бұрын
Did y'all forget that blood oath is an instant? And that he didn't draw a 2 mana counterspell that game...
The 5 card/0 card FoF bluff was some actual galaxy brain stuff
Poor Thoralf milling 5 cards for 4 mana only to draw 5 and take 15. Frank is nuts! 😂
What a finish! Frank is always such a treat to watch and listen to.
@iliasmess
9 ай бұрын
Exactly! These old school games are by far my favourites of the series, and when they invite Karsten, it just can't be topped. So much fun! I miss those days, Masques block & Invasion, the golden era of magic 👌
Can't believe Thoralf really knowing Magic cost him the game. So happy to witness Frank play 4d chess in Cardmarket.
@snowhusk
9 ай бұрын
that's what they say in poker - you can only bluff people who are really good, so they would know what you're representing
The funniest thing is that Fires looks a lot like current Gruul Boats deck in pioneer. 8 1-mana ramp creatures, a 3-mana haste enabler, and the best 4/5-mana creatures available.
@85mcarnold
9 ай бұрын
It was a powerhouse back in the day. There’s a reason why WotC sticks to the same architecture, it’s a proven formula for fun & interactive games.
@bwhitta
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I was surprised how playable the cards were, especially saproling burst.
Frank Karsten is an absolute legend! It was epic watching the Blood Oath bluff work, but then I totally lost it cheering when he topdecked the Blood Oath after the Duress! I’m so glad I got to witness that!
Seeing Frank pull off that Blood Oath had me HOWLING even harder then when he Orvar'd Mengu in their Modern match XD. Shit was fucking beautiful, thank you so much Frank,
This was such a sick play Karsten, very well done!
This has gotta be one of my favorite Magic games I've ever watched
Loved the episode! 34:48 The record scratch on "5-0 again" Toralf snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
What an ending lmao Great one as always, always nice to see Frank on the show
This channel has grown on me. The high level of content, positivity, fun and very enjoyable editing makes for a viewer to fully understand the current game, the stakes, the mind games and the fun of Magic. And seeing old Magic being played in full is such a treat, specially for me since i was an old school player (started on Tempest). Thank you so much for this World Tournaments decks series.
@CardmarketMagic
9 ай бұрын
I'm happy you enjoy our work :) we put a lot of love into it! We'll to our best to keep up the quality of the content
FoF is such a great card for the game. So many interesting decisions, mindgames etc. And what a game 2 - play like a madman, get rewarded!
The sheer insight of Karsten to split 5-0 and seeing it actually work out was astounding
I love this sort of content. Frank is possibly my favorite guest as well. His historical knowledge of Magic is impressive and always leads to fun discussions. A wave of nostalgia hit me when he mentioned the sub-game of making Fact or Fiction piles ❤ FoF was such an important card in the early 2000s.
@pinobluevogel6458
9 ай бұрын
Also love his math and probability items. As someone that doesn't really dive into math unless I have to, it helps if someone explains clearly.
Frank is such a chill person. It's really nice to hear his passion when he talks about the good ol' times.
Thoralf got so unlucky there. But what a play by Frank, he really went for it and it worked out in probably the perfect way possible.
Frank is so awesome, he is one of the most knowledgable players in the history of the game. He is the player who taught the whole community how to build mana bases.
It takes a mad genius like Frank to come up with plays like these
Love seeing these old decks get love! Brings me back to 2000 and playing Magic in the school yard
@cryoboy
9 ай бұрын
Love seeing these fancy new cards that came out after I stopped actively playing in 1999. XD
What an insane set! Frank's gonna tell the story of that Blood Oath for the rest of his life 😂😂
@Blackadder75
9 ай бұрын
I still think they set these decks up, script them, but it makes nice content
@MyKekson
9 ай бұрын
@@Blackadder75 Nah, you are just bad at top decking
@Blackadder75
9 ай бұрын
@@MyKekson blessed are the ignorant ...
@ilsignoredellaluce2234
9 ай бұрын
@@Blackadder75i mean It could be, but since it's still entertaining i don't really care. Surely it was an extreme coincidence, but it could have still happened at random, and even if it didn't it's still enjoyable like a TV series
@Mightypi
9 ай бұрын
@@Blackadder75 i think if they where, i dont think the players know... i dunno maybe im just dumb but there responses seem genuine. I think its good to be sceptical so thanks for putting it into my mind
Frank Karsten is also the Hall of Famer of our hearts! Really look forward to more of these style of videos
That final round was simply incredible, really shows how metagame can change everything. Frank really is a legend!
Love seeing Frank! I swear, this channel always has the best guests!
Amazing game! The way Frank won the second game is genius. Most players (myself included!) would have split that FoF 3/2 and blamed bad luck for the loss. That's why Frank is an Hall of Famer and we are not.
These 2 lads are just flat out world class. Pick your criteria, showmanship, knowlage, comradery, magic abilty, whatever. Outstanding stuff
The most magical top deck I've EVER seen. _"It ain't fiction, just a natural fact~_ _We come together cause opposites attract!"_
Frank Karsten played incredible, drew his out and it ws so funny! 11/10 best Video so far. Love Frank and Tofel together!
ooooooh, that 5-0 split was a play of pure genius. plays like that are why Frank is the best guest star, imo.
That was the most wild sequence of plays I’ve ever seen, now I want to add blood path to a commander deck or cube
This is my favourite era of magic, not only was I pretty decent at the game, I also had the privilege to play against Frank quite often as the Dutch magic scene was tight knit together, because we are such a small country everybody in the top 100 of the country met all the time
People are going to talk about the double 5-0 split for years. Incredible demonstration of how to play the variance as well as the opponent.
This is a piece of MTG history - although it was only a friendly game! Pls continue with those 2 players and these oldschool decks! Beyond greatness!
I was born in 2001, it really pumps me up watching u guys play those decks that are older than me. Magic, despite everything, is truly an eternal game❤
@nickfanzo
7 ай бұрын
I started playing in 1993, the best game ever made, period.
This channel has the nostalgia going rn between this series and the best modern deck series, loving the content as always!
That was the most certified hood classic "heart of the cards" moment ever.
Cool! I like that this has turned into an ongoing series. Keep going! I wanna see magic from 2001, 2003, 2005... It'll be cool even when going into more recent sets, a bit like your "best deck ever" series. Also, those FOFs... Wow. Never thought I'd see a 5-0 split. Might be the best MTG bluff I've ever seen. And then... Damn.
30:50 next level play
Sap Burst is one of my favorite overlooked cards. I played it in a GW homebrew that I loved. It was clunky but Saporling Burst always impressed.
@keithbarlow9701
9 ай бұрын
I fondly remember forcing standard staples into my homebrews even when the cards were far from optimal. I also did stuff like playing 4 copies of un-fun cards like Tanglewire and Braids, Cabal Minion in kitchen table games. 20 years later I still feel guilty for doing that 😅😂
YES! These guys will take you back. Another great Flashback episode!
Whenever yall have Frank on, it's always FIRE. His attentive focus is warlord levels of Boss energy
Frank with another masterclass in old decks (and how to go for a wild play that actually paid off). It's so much fun to see these decks. This was the time I started playing more seriously with draft and constructed and actually going to tournaments. While doing a smaller event, one of the players I've played was Frank specifically, and he utterly trashed me, but was really friendly while doing so. Great times and I hope you will make some more of these older format videos, its extremely good nostaligia and a bunch of really fun decks.
@CardmarketMagic
9 ай бұрын
We plan to do one of these for every year with Frank :)
I remember going to the mall with my friends back in 2001 and getting some packs and my buddy popped a fire and ice and our young minds were blown by the double card!!
Frank is the perfect co-host for this series. I love the gold border videos!
Watching frank pull a win from a terrible position like he did reminds me of the 1999 Chicago finals between Brian Davis and Bob Maher just incredible
The bluff, the draw, the five card FoF AGAIN. I was screaming like it was the Champions League final. That’s truly is a champion at play. I don’t think Thoralf can be blamed. Everything was perfectly set up and Frank played his part amazingly. Wow.
I love to see the old decks playing
Yeah, Fires! I love that deck archetype. My very first Magic deck was a R/G one that a friend helped me build right around the release of Lorwyn, though I fondly recall some of the original Ravnica Gruul cards that were also in it (Scab-Clan Mauler, Burning-Tree Shaman, and Rumbling Slum all come to mind). As such, I've always had a soft spot for R/G aggro decks, and I remember hearing the stories of the Fires deck. I even built my own version of it eventually! I'm so happy to see it show up here. :D
Keep the old school matches coming , its so fun.
Just play the [[Accumulated Knowledge]] in the second game and you would have had the counterspell up... so sad, to see the loss in game two 😢 Great video, top gameplay, just amazing 😂
End of turn Fact of Fiction, and then you lose. That round was poetic. Predict the future and it comes true, but not how we thought it would.
The fact alone that these "flashback" videos exist makes me really happy. The amazing production value just makes it all the sweeter and super convenient to keep track of what's happening. It really is a pity that Wizards discontinued the World Championship Decks and that so many of them have been cannibalised over the years - they deserve to be preserved and valued for posterity. So, kudos to the person that donated their collection to a custodian that does them justice.
Frank Karsten, nostalgia and a bit of chaos...this is exactly what I needed to watch today. Can't wait for the next one!
I'd watch Vintage Standard content like this every day. I miss *this* game so damn much. Fantastic video!
MTG content creation has peaked. This is the best video that ever was or ever will be
Absolutely unreal video! Really really enjoyed it. Looking forward to more!
Absolutely loved this video, and love seeing Frank on the channel!
Awesome games! Thanks guys, keep them coming!
One of the best matches I have seen in along time. Thank y'all.
This is some fantastic magic content. Thank you for teaching us the intricate history of this crazy game!
This channel has quickly become my favorite mtg content. You guys rock!
Such a great show, thank you. And thanks to Frank guiding us through this.
I was a teenager during this time and LOVED it. Miss those days.
This is one of the best games I’ve seen so far. Just insane! Keep up the good stuff
That was amazing!!!! I played that match up a lot back in the day, and that is the wildest end that I have ever seen:)
Loved this video, i was laughing along with Thoralf and Frank, such an amazing video
This was such a good video, that Blood Oath draw was so perfect! Please keep bringing Frank back, I always enjoy seeing him in videos
A beautiful time clearly. Keep up the good work!
Loved the look back, keep up the retro content some of the best videos on KZread.
Lovely to see the decks out again 😊❤ amazing play by Frank that last game! Can't wait for the next one!
@CardmarketMagic
9 ай бұрын
Thank you again for being so kind and making all of this possible :)
I love this series! Thank you all for showcasing the older days of magic. Games like these are why I love this game, the big belly laughs at what absurd situations you could find in a game.
This is the best match I've ever seen. Really captured the sitting down playing magic with your friends vibe that old sets encapsulate so beautiful.
Excellent content as usual ! Frank Karsten is a gem, thanks Cardmarket 🙂
The classic control mistake. Getting greedy right at the finish line! Fantastic games!
What a FANTASTIC game!! Well played guys that was excellent
This is a masterpiece. So funny, so full of teachings... Unbelievable good content!
Great episode. Please do more of these.
I love this series so much, it's so interesting to see how magic has grown over time!
I've enjoyed the cardmarket videos a lot but this one is truly next level. fine work
that bluff into actually drawing it and double bluffing again with 0/5 was unreal!
What a delightful match, thanks to the kind person who send those decks in, and I'm looking forward to the next match!
I LOOOOVE how the new editing looks! The layout is so good.
That was great probably one of your best episodes!
I super nice to see all these decks. I'm super amazed how Frank know and explain. The bluff was so smart and get so much reward
I built an old deck for each "guild" and sometimes we just roll a die, choose one and play. Love it.
frank's bluff in game two was amazing turning a desperate situation into a brilliant play.
That was an *amazing* game 2! Such a masterclass by Frank - the glorious unicorn of the double FOF 5-0 split! *Chef's kiss*
I had some of these 2001 decks, including the nether go deck. I love that you guys have done this ❤❤❤
I just gotta say, I found your channel recently and I am enthralled. You are single-handedly the best MTG channel on KZread. LOVE your vids! Such good editing and love the entire cast! Keep up the content
Makes me so happy, takes me back to my childhood. Some of the best times in magics history
This was such a great video really well played both of you
What a great video! So much joy!
What a badass double bluff Frank. Love it!
This is my favorite MTG content ever!! Love this old school match ups