"We'll go over the calls you missed at the end of the game" "Alright, the game's over, time to end the video!" Judge!

@Fopenplop

8 ай бұрын

i guess they didn't miss any

@beanofknowledge2125

8 ай бұрын

Under another comment they wrote that the only missed Call was the turn order being wrong

@manuelfernandovillalbaguti6356

8 ай бұрын

​@@beanofknowledge2125they missed the painter servant's etb trigger doubling with panharmonicon

@geoffreymullen3527

8 ай бұрын

@@manuelfernandovillalbaguti6356 It doesn't have an etb trigger. The choose a colour effect happens "as it enters the battlefield", the effect never hits the stack.

@gibbeldon

8 ай бұрын

@@geoffreymullen3527 While the effect never hits the stack due to being static, you have to choose a color as it enters the battlefield. Doesn't that count as a trigger?

So the playing counter clockwise actually is against the rules. In multiplayer magic you always proceed clockwise, this was added to the comprehensive rules with the first conspiracy set which had the first card which reversed the game order in a multiplayer game of magic.

@kristeenlivesay2664

8 ай бұрын

There was also a rules violation where Carl flipped a coin for mana vault and took damage but never called heads or tails.

@lostincyberspaceIII

8 ай бұрын

Do you know where that ruling is? I have been scouring the Comprehensive rules and have not been able to find it. Never mind its part of a big blurb on 103.1 and missed it.

@Technomagus

8 ай бұрын

@@kristeenlivesay2664 He established a shortcut that he would always take damage if he flipped Blastoise with the first flip. Not technically a rules violation.

@kristeenlivesay2664

8 ай бұрын

@@Technomagus huh, that makes sense. I’m so used to people calling it every time or declaring that being the shortcut that with how he worded it I guess I just assumed it was only on that flip.

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

Indeed, the turn order being counter clockwise was the only rules violation they missed 👍

14:41 Judge! Talent of the telepath only costs 4 so there should be 1 additional mana of an unspecified color from cascading cataracts.

@deadded5793

8 ай бұрын

Exactly

I just realised why Jamin only played mountains every turn. If they called out the counter-clockwise rule violation then it wouldn't make a difference because all he is doing is playing mountains!

One violation I expected is for Thoralf to draw a Colossal Dreadmaw after having been given one to replace the illegal Emrakul, thus making his deck illegal again.

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

You would have been correct, but we chose the funnier option 😅

I appreciate how much joy Carl takes in instructing his opponents how to play. Actually keeping track of precisely how you stacked each deck would be quite difficult, but the smugness of the delivery is perfect. I don’t know how much the editing is covering for note referencing, but if it was done the illusion is seamless. I also appreciate the difficulty of doing this kind of challenge with branching paths. If Jamin and Thoralf miss a judge call, it changes the reality of the game (like playing anticlockwise, or not having a colossal dreadmaw to reanimate because Emrakul triggered). Designing a series of challenges resilient to the branching pathways was impressive.

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

There were even whole side-quests of rules interactions that we didn't get to see because they called out some rules :) maybe for next time.

@gibbeldon

8 ай бұрын

@@CardmarketMagic As mentioned when "Sword of the Meek" wasn't allowed to trigger twice. I would love to see those interactions.

Absolute props to Carl for being able to tell them what to play without seeing it, memorizing the whole game plan plus the answers to the rules haha

@arkb0t379

8 ай бұрын

What was especially impressive to me about the script was he needed to be prepared for more than one game state, because rules violations he got away with and didn't had different game state outcomes.

Wait aren't we supposed to get a rundown of the violations?

@c_hoffrun7020

8 ай бұрын

They played Colossal Dreadmaw... what else is needed exactly?

@sarahtekh

8 ай бұрын

I think we didnt get anything because they caught all of them, they were only gonna do a rundown of any they missed

@legomanwanter

8 ай бұрын

@@sarahtekh 103.1 states that "...default turn order begins with the starting player and proceeds clockwise." so they definitely missed at least one

@timfreund784

8 ай бұрын

Carl misread or misrepresented the card "Bone Saw", it doesnt have 1: Equipped creature gains +1/+0 it just gives this statically.

@pablodiaz2278

8 ай бұрын

Painter servant was banned too right?

This is so fun. I love how Theralf looks like a detective cracking a case when he goes "wait a minute ..." at 11:30

@xxPenjoxx

8 ай бұрын

He reminded me of that meme kid - "Wait a minute....who are you!?"😂

@AlexFarleyMusic

8 ай бұрын

I was literally at that point in the video and clicked the time stamp and it kept going right back to where i was already at.

Judge! Insufficient randomization of decks ;)

@V2993k

8 ай бұрын

He would have had to given them a point for that if not just an insta win.

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

🙄😅🙂

This is THE best mtg channel in the entire world. The energy and vibe you guys pass out just brightens my day whenever I watch one of your videos. Thank you for that. Truly. ❤

One potential trap that I really expected to come up with Muldrotha was casting an artifact and then an artifact creature to see if they'd call the judge on that even though it's a completely legal game action (Yes, Muldrotha's rules text explicitly says that's allowed, but y'know, people don't actually read cards.)

@1997Awesomedude

8 ай бұрын

You would also be able to use it to cast two artifact creatures in a row, one as an artifact and one as a creature. The same thing comes up with Atraxa Grand Unifier

@seandun7083

8 ай бұрын

They actually did miss a judge call relating to that. If a card has multiple types and you are casting it via muldrotha, you have to choose one as you cast it.

@LibertyMonk

8 ай бұрын

No, that's Muldrotha's reminder text you're thinking of, not rules text. Rules text is the normal non-italics stuff. Reminder text has no bearing on the rules of the game, and it often glosses over the details of rules while preempting the most common question. Also, you can cast MDFCs from graveyard for any mode, so long as the Type of that mode hasn't been used this turn.

@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme

8 ай бұрын

The Professor is lurking in the shadows waiting for even the slightest opportunity to ask if people have read the card.

@fionathegayesttiefling9867

8 ай бұрын

@@1997Awesomedude Yeah, thinking about it, having him cast two artifact creatures would definitely have been the trap play

this video was just an excuse to bully Jamin at commander, wasn't it

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

It was

@colanialcranial283

8 ай бұрын

*Beautiful* lol

@joedoe7572

8 ай бұрын

​@@CardmarketMagic13:15 Carl didn't declare targets before resolving the spell 14:30 1) colours of mana produced by Cascading Cataracts wasn't declared, and 2) Carl didn't declare which mana remained in his mana pool after he cast Talent of the Telepath And you have to play clockwise

@Socrates-

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@joedoe7572he said me, although quietly

@Tharkon

8 ай бұрын

@@joedoe7572He did declare targets before resolving the spell. The real error is that he put it in his graveyard before resolving the spell.

I am astonished with the insane setup that these games need. Hats up to you good sirs! I loved every second of it :)

Honestly I'm impressed at the amount of planning that went into setting up that many rules violations and directing the play to keep things sequenced with so much shenanigans. good job

15:34 JUDGE! Insight tells you to "draw a card" - there is no may included thus making it mandatory and not optional!

@caseywellington4761

8 ай бұрын

But nobody cast another green spell (mycosynth lattice)

@GawdDaeme

8 ай бұрын

@@caseywellington4761 true, wrote the comment the moment he played it and got the phrasing wrong, and im not much of a tournament player to know if reading a card wrong is enough to make it worth to call a judge. Just wanted to point out a mistake as you do in comments :D

The amount of work that must've been put into this video is immense! I really hope you keep growing the channel and that you can keep making awesome content!

These rule intensive videos are always so interesting! Keep up the good work

Jamins part felt like the retroactivly added side chararcter of a story, to have more drama in it :D "Of course he was there, don't you remember him playing that mountain? Noone else did that in the enire series! What a tragic end he had..." Loved it!

I like how dude is just playing by himself and brought his friends to sit there

This was a great idea! Fun to watch and try to keep up with all the rules interactions

This is such a fun way to help people learn various rules interactions. Such a good idea!

14:38 judge! Carl can't have 3 floating colorless. Spending 5 into cataracts gives him 5 in sny combination of colors, so all 5, including the one he is left floating would have to be of some color or another (probably all blue in a mono blue deck)

You guys had such a great time, really fun to see!

When Jamin accidentally calls the judge and Thoralf makes a Montey Python and the Holy Grail reference made me so happy.

I was waiting for the end for you to reveal that you drew 8 cards as your starting hand 😂

13:58- Judge! I havent seen any comments about this but we have a missed trigger that isn't a may ability. Mishra's Bauble was played, but it was casted from the hand, which triggers Sai's ability to make a 1/1 thopter. This should have been on the stack before Carl could sac the Sword of the Meek to KCI.

@bouboulroz

6 ай бұрын

I mean, this one is kind of weird. KCI is a mana ability, and therefore can be used during the casting procedure of Mishra's (after the cost is locked but before it's paid). So it's possible to sacrifice for KCl while casting, making the mana before the triggers are even checked. Beside, even without that particularity in the rules, he did resolve the triggered ability while the bauble was on the stack, implying the effects were put on the stack in the correct order.

In my group we always play 3 player commander :D Great video as always

You guys genuinely make me laugh. Best channel ever

JUDGE. Clockwise is the default turn order in the rules. That said... if you take a clock and put it above you facing down then you did do "clockwise"

@RodrigoCML7

8 ай бұрын

If you wanna be cute, sure. But clockwise means to your right, as if you were standing on top of a clock. It does not mean that you get to imagine where a clock would be and act accordingly.

@xolotltolox7626

8 ай бұрын

​@@RodrigoCML7clockwise means to the left, what are you on?

@RodrigoCML7

8 ай бұрын

@@xolotltolox7626 you might want to google that. I think it's the sense of circumference where most people get lost and mix right and left

@xolotltolox7626

8 ай бұрын

@@RodrigoCML7 you might be mixing it up mathematically postive then, because mathematically positive is to the right aka counterclockwise

@RodrigoCML7

8 ай бұрын

@@xolotltolox7626 maybe, but I'm not talking about mathematically posstive but about the direction notiom derived from ancient sun clocks where clockwise would mean from left to right, as per the sundial. Like "Hey Abraham, where is the bakery?" "Go straight and then turn clockwise". Also in military terms, 3 o clock is to the right, 9 to the left. Which applies here where we are determining in which direction the game will go. Again, a google search away to find that out

Best thinkg about this channel is the variety - keep it up, guys - great job as always!

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoy our content

I really love you guys, I’ve been following you since the begin and you’re doing such a great job. Keep going!

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

Thank you :) that's so kind of you to say

Another creative and interesting video, you guys rock!

Judge! The fix for an illegal card is to replace it with a basic of the player's choice 😅

This is a great thought prosses on how hard magic is some times to catch when cards are being used "correctly"

@NiiRubra

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, the overlapping color changing was an interesting instance of that.

That Emrakul was a good rule violation to put in haha.

At 14:40 Carl had one extra mana floating. He had 8, spent 5 to make 5 blue but then only used it to cast a 4 mana spell.

@Playingwithproxies

8 ай бұрын

And that’s the video editing so who cares?

@DismemberTheAlamo

8 ай бұрын

Burn doesnt exist anymore, so its irrelevant

There was a rules violation with Muldrotha they missed. When they cast the Artifact Creature with Muldrotha's ability, they have to specify whether its being used as an Artifact or a Creature.

@siosilvar

8 ай бұрын

That's not a rules violation, just good etiquette (same as specifying when you're tapping Cavern of Souls for colored mana).

@akorthouwer

8 ай бұрын

that's not required

@mr.joesterr5359

8 ай бұрын

it technically is against the rules. you are required to explain what you are doing in any game of magic. you HAVE to tell your opponent what you are doing cause otherwise it is considered hiding shared information (cheating.) @@siosilvar

@mr.joesterr5359

8 ай бұрын

and yes you also have to explain if you are tapping cavern for colored mana as otherwise you are straight up deceiving your opponent by hiding important information. both of these could get you in trouble at a tournament depending on the judge and if they want to enforce the rules that strictly. the cavern thing would be really sketchy tho if you tried to counter and ur opponent was like 'oh i didnt tell you but tapped cavern for colored mana so its uncounterable' like that WOULD NOT FLY! @@siosilvar

@realitant

8 ай бұрын

⁠this is literally how it works. The rules were changed. You don't have to specify

Loving the ruling videos 👍 entertaining and learning 😎

I would not want to be in charge of creating three Commander decks that are arranged in such a way as to create a puzzle like this. Wow.

Love this series

13:15 Carl didn't declare targets before resolving the spell 14:30 1) colours of mana produced by Cascading Cataracts wasn't declared, and 2) Carl didn't declare which mana remained in his mana pool after he cast Talent of the Telepath And you have to play clockwise

What do you think of showing this video as a premiere? Then it's "live" and we can guess and find the rules violations before seeing the answer!! ❤️ Otherwise, what a great video! I am still at the beginning and can't wait to see the final verdict 😊

This was a very interesting episode!

I was so confused how he cast a white spell with only mountains- oh how badly I'd lose this game! 😂

@darebrained

8 ай бұрын

It's a colorless spell tho.

@QPolaris

8 ай бұрын

Mycosynth Lattice lets you pay mana as if it's any color

@fredrickatchison4542

8 ай бұрын

Devoid creatures are colorless, but have color in their mana cost. So, that argument isn't foolproof.@@darebrained

@banana9494

8 ай бұрын

@@fredrickatchison4542 but it wasnt a creature or devoid

@kevintindall3743

8 ай бұрын

I think the point was that the color of a spell does not change the cost. Colorless spells can still cost colors.

I was expecting a rules violation surrounding using KCI to pay costs.

Another cool idea for an episode! And always nice when Ted Mosby gets to make a guest appearence

8:00 lol these really are the best Magic videos on KZread

Judge! at around 18:40 Thoralf appears to tap the mox amber and the sol ring to cast the whispersilk cloak, it's hard to see because of the camera often excluding the mana rocks but at 19:21 you can see the flavourtext from mox amber on it's side in the corner. Thoralf cannot tap the mox amber for mana however as all of his legendary creatures/planeswalkers are colourless due to mycosynth lattice

@ddp77

8 ай бұрын

oooooh, a spicy call...

Hey guys, mostly a fun question for y’all, but Carl what is your favorite commander to play, if you play the format? I know you like turbo fog in pauper, and played turbo fog in the recent commander video, so I was curious to see if there was a modern turbo fog commander you enjoyed playing.

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

I don't play a lot of commander but I have a Rashmi, Eternities Crafter deck that I have never yet had the opportunity to use :) it has spore frog and moment's piece and tangle and card draw and no real way to win outside of your opponent's going at each other instead of you 😅

There are Heroes among us, lurking, playing, creating great content for others to enjoy

The Colossal Dreadmaw should of been a Basic Land of their commander's identity as 3.4 Tournament Error - Decklist Problems will cover. "If the remaining deck has too few cards, the player chooses to add any combination of cards named Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain or Forest to reach the minimum number. Alter the decklist to reflect this.

@raisins7777

8 ай бұрын

Technically that's the tournament rules, not the general rules of magic. The MTR is not a given for a casual tournament. Even if it was, you are quoting the IPG but a Commander game is more likely to be at Regular so it should be the JAR. The JAR solution is "Remove any cards that shouldn’t be in the deck, **put back any cards that should**, then add basic lands of the player’s choice if the deck is below the format’s minimum size limit. Any cards that are added to the deck should be shuffled directly into the library. If the error was discovered during a draw effect, have the player complete the draw effect after the deck is fixed and shuffled." So you would remove Emrakul, shuffle Colossal Dreadmaw into the randomized portion of the deck, and then mill a random card.

@PaullyDM

8 ай бұрын

@@raisins7777 What implied this was a casual tournament vs an official tournament ran at Comp REL? They never specified, so you gotta cover your bases.

The thumbnail is brilliant as well.

I think there is a small irrelevant rule violation at the point where Thoralf casts Canoptek Tomb Sentinel with Muldrotha. Actually, the reminder text says that as you cast a spell with multiple types you have to pick the type you used with Muldrotha's ability and well they didn't, but it's kind of covered up by the other rule violation that they spotted so I don't know if it "counts"

"His colosal dreadmaw is confused" Thoralf has never played Pokémon, obviously

So creative and fun. Loved this video.

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

I'm happy you enjoyed it :)

Another very entertaining video, good job! I assume these types of videos take a long time to prepare, so I appreciate it even more. Next time I wouldn't mind if you could elaborate better on the violations. You comment on them very quickly, and as a very casual player, I could use some more graphical explanation :)

Just because I saw Panharmonicon I need to narrate what happened to me with that card this weekend. I modified my Elesh Mommycon edh deck to a Preston deck (Elesh norn was too powerful for my playgroup) and let me tell you, getting 6 lands a turn with a blinked solemn simulacrum is absolutely insane. Panharmonicon + Elesh + Preston + blink Simulacrum = Simulacrum enters the battlefield, triggering Preston twice because of Panharmonicon, creating 2 simulacrum 0/1 tokens, each of the simulacrum triggering itself twice resulting in 6 lands AND 3 blockers that if they die they draw a card. I had all my basic plains on the battlefield and somehow STILL lost that game, I love magic so much!!!

Judge! Graveyard order matters in commander, and Thassa's Bounty was put into the graveyard before it finished resolving. And when Cascading Cataracts filtered mana for Talent of the Telepath, Carl said he had 3 floating mana, when it should be 3 colourless plus 1 of a colour

@kageotaku

8 ай бұрын

You are technically correct about GY order mattering. The best kind of correct.

This presentation style is fun than just trying to show puzzles and rules

14:40 he had 8 mana and spent only 4 for talent of telepath. After that he said that he had 3 floating mana, while infact having 4.

@deadded5793

8 ай бұрын

@falsnamae3511 yes, but he still said he has 3 floating mana. He has 4. 1 colored and 3 colorless.

I wonder how many I’ll catch. I’ve been forced to get decent at this by the lack of judges almost everywhere I’ve played magic.

I never knew you could play Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth or Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in a Mono-Blue Commander deck. I was thinking about adding one in my colorless EDH...

13:55 - 14:10: For anyone wondering about the pauses here, I think Carl is supposed to announce the Sai trigger before activating KCI, otherwise it's technically a missed trigger. That being said, I'd consider it pretty bad etiquette to call someone out on that in a casual commander game.

@kageotaku

8 ай бұрын

You could argue that is Out of Order sequencing per MTR, really.

nice game, cardmarket! scary spooky judges!

The damn thumbnail cracks me up 😂

several times ive done weird ruling things, like mycosinthetic lattice turning my Daretti, scrap savant onto an artifact and being able to regenerate him with a welding jar, or having a gideon blackblade turned onto a creature, then playing a clone as a copy of him, that its a crature gideon, with loyalty habilities that prevents damage, for example.

That thumbnail is legendary 😂

This one genuinely made my brain hurt and i couldn't keep watching xD

I don't know how it was all planned, but it was impressive to see it all play :) Great job !

I'm ashamed I missed the judge call on Emrakul being banned. Totally slipped by me

Gosh I love you guys!!

For cascading cataracts you have to specify the mana created which carl did not do

Judge! Painter’s Servants ability would trigger twice because of Panharmonicon, no? Wouldn’t Carl have to pick a color twice? 15:47

This was a great video idea

14:42: Judge! You used cascading cataracts to convert 5 ◇ into 5 colored mana (presumably blue). However, you used 4 if it to cast talent of the telepath. One more colored mana should have been added to your floating mana pool, which per 106.4a must be announced when passing priority. You never announced what the extra floating mana was.

One thing about what Carl said re: Teferi's protection - if it said "you cant lose the game", it would have a duration and would only stop you from losing to commander damage while the duration was in effect. The first time SBAs are checked after that duration expires, you'd instantly lose.

Amazing cover!!!

15:50 A minor detail here is that Jamin is asking which card came into the battlefield first but they all came into the battlefield at the same time! Carl can choose the timestamps because he is the active player though, but they all came into the battlefield at the same time. By the way, I love these kind of rules videos. Keep them coming!

@kageotaku

8 ай бұрын

What rule are you looking at? 613.7K? That is not how I read that rule. Each player makes choices for their own timestamps, but active player makes choices for THEIR items first, then the next one, etc.

@allopeth

8 ай бұрын

613.7m If two or more objects would receive a timestamp simultaneously, such as by entering a zone simultaneously or becoming attached simultaneously, their relative timestamps are determined in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). Objects controlled by the active player (or owned by the active player, if they have no controller) have an earlier relative timestamp in the order of that player’s choice, followed by each other player in turn order.

Another fun TefPro-esc rules interaction is Commander damage and Angel’s Grace. You can’t lose, until the active player passes the turn

Poor Jamin! Just a punching bag this whole game!

14:05 carl responded to the cast of mishra's bauble instead of reposnding tk the sai trigger that goes on the stack automatically

Love the thumbnail. A beautiful smile

Wizards no longer seems to think judges are necessary lol.

@kageotaku

8 ай бұрын

Sad. I used to be one in the before times.

Carl, you outdid yourself. GG !

Judge! In commander you cant conciet the game at instant speed, Carl passed in Thoralfs turn which isnt allowed because its a multiplayer format

@ltmaid

8 ай бұрын

104.3a A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game. There is no exception for commander, only a social expectation since it can be bad manners to deny combat damage, spell resolutions, or to remove permanents other control that you own.

For a future EDH rules video I would suggest using the nonbo with Garth One Eye and Doubling season. Pretty counterintuitive they might not catch it

This was hilarious :D

This concept is pretty cool.

I just wanted to comment, that the one who did the thumbnail did a really good job =]

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

He did :D it's our new intern and he's wonderful!

What a realy hard work to male this vidéo 😯

More videos like this, please!

That Teferi's interaction is why "Everybody Lives" is superior. :P

@NMS127

8 ай бұрын

Only in the sense that you live until the upkeep of the next turn. Then you lose to commander damage when state-based actions are checked.

@akorthouwer

8 ай бұрын

@@NMS127 not really teferi's protection doesnt say you cannot loose the game. So would lose the game whilst being phased out

@NMS127

8 ай бұрын

@@akorthouwer I was talking about the case where you use Everybody Lives instead.

The moment I saw painter servant and mycosynth latttice got milled my immediate reaction was "OH NOoooo nonononoono plz no"

Judge! Thoralf tried to put onion on a cake!

@CardmarketMagic

8 ай бұрын

Very waranted judge call! 🧅🍰

Judge! My opponent keeps attempting to tell me how to play.

Judge! Never got the rule breaks at the end.

I do love this game mode That and judge tower

The thumbnail changed and it freaking made me think it was a whole new video

Here's possibly an interesting violation: using one of the wish cycles in commander. They are not banned, but they don't work since commander no longer has a sideboard. Might trip someone up.