John talks about chris at 3 minutes in if youre curious

@johnlopez9014

3 ай бұрын

Real hero

@SHOUTxHIxHEYxHELLO

3 ай бұрын

Time saver

@professormarmalade9171

3 ай бұрын

Real heroes don’t wear capes!

@albericponcedeleon2696

3 ай бұрын

The build up starts at 2:31 to be more precise

@plisskenetic

3 ай бұрын

Yeah the video title was kind of a clickbait lol.... not that I even like stuckman mind u

*John* : I wouldn't say Chris and I are friends *Chris* (watching this video) : Oh, I thought we were 😔

@LostUtopiaFilms

3 ай бұрын

Haha I mean I guess the definition of friends is different for each person but John saying he’s gone to dinner with him a few times and had him on his show feels like a friend imo

@annabrenda8694

3 ай бұрын

@@LostUtopiaFilms I know right Lol

@wallyjackson9543

3 ай бұрын

Do you consider every girl you’ve went out with briefly an ex?

@lisamaitland157

3 ай бұрын

when you make them pay for there meal\drink, it becomes brief lol...

@VandalSauvage

3 ай бұрын

@@LostUtopiaFilmsNah, that’s just an acquaintance

He starts talking about it at 3:00, but doesn't really start talking about until 10:00, but still really doesn't start talking about it until 16:00.

@moviereedviews

3 ай бұрын

It was like deja vu. He kept coming back to the beginning of his discussion points.

@dementedavenger2784

3 ай бұрын

John is the king of repeating himself

@byronkennedy7203

3 ай бұрын

I wish i saw this 10 minutes ago because i still don't know who chris stuckman is or what he said.

@TRDGE

2 ай бұрын

He certainly loves to hear himself.

This is what we mean when we say " Release the Campea Cut"

@ralphabejo

3 ай бұрын

😂😂 RELEASE THE CAMPEA CUT!!!

Perhaps the worst aspect of social media is it has nakedly commoditized intellectually dishonest outrage.

@LostUtopiaFilms

3 ай бұрын

@@patrickb1439He’s basically saying grifters on social media have made a business out of fake outrage that a lot of times isn’t based in truth.

@molin1

3 ай бұрын

@@LostUtopiaFilmsThis, plus the platforms themselves encourage it by rewarding creators for all engagement.

@corriethomson4431

3 ай бұрын

Stop throwing out buzzwords.​@@molin1

@TomCruz54321

3 ай бұрын

@@patrickb1439 It's obvious what he's trying to say, being a Professional Complainer is the trendy grift right now. No need for creativity, no need for expertise, there's even no need to write a script. Just put out a video everyday complaining about something / someone and you rake in the money.

BREAKING NEWS: People are stupid!

I think that response on Chris video shows how much influence he has on yt community. Because if he was low profile nobody would take about him.

@InnerAtanih

3 ай бұрын

Not really. He’s just grandfathered in

2:21:54-2:31:04 John, no joke: I think I was meant to hear you preach that sermon tonight. You may remember me from my The Black Phone comment on your Best Movies of 2022 livestream (I’ve been struggling with depression for a while now), but hearing your “get out of the boat” story moved me beyond reasonable doubt. Thank you for everything you and your team do.

@adrianm.9536

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it's a good example. I'm always too afraid to try because I don't want to fail.

@TheWhills

3 ай бұрын

Not religious, but I love stories...damn, that was a story ❤

@KameronMcQueen

3 ай бұрын

Top tier Open Mic episode

@kevinfraser7815

3 ай бұрын

Wishing you the best Jed!

Sometimes it is good for studios to impose themselves on the creative process. Sometimes it is bad. It is entirely dependent on the specific facts

@iammaximumstupied

3 ай бұрын

which is what people forget. but overall if chris just wants to celebrate and praise films he shouldn’t have talked at all about Web

A 3 hour open mic?! 😮

I think the Stuckmann video might have come across better if he released it as a general opinion piece instead of putting Madame Web as the cover which gave the (wrong) impression that it's a review

@garfieldGG

3 ай бұрын

100%. He didn’t really talk about the movie at all, but the movie is all alone there on his thumbnail.

@FullTiltBlitz

3 ай бұрын

It’s stupid that anyone cares that much about what the guys thumbnail was. It wasn’t deceptive.

@garfieldGG

3 ай бұрын

@@FullTiltBlitz it was deceptive, he knew something about Madame Web would get clicks bc it’s a large topic of conversation now. It’s not the end of the world, clickbait is something many KZreadrs do, but thats what happened.

@aaronfrantz25

3 ай бұрын

Noble Chris is a hollow robot reviewer that cares only for his little film, and says nothing, bro already surrendered himself too

@Josephdquinn

3 ай бұрын

At no point did he say it was a review. It’s clear in the TITLE.

Great instalment of Open Mic…..thanks for giving us all your time John.

even he talked about the studios doing shit they not supposed to. the creatives on this film are objectively talentless hacks, their resume shows it. i personally dont understand how these people get hired in the first place...

@ProfessorZoom_

3 ай бұрын

You’re completely right but why is Sony hiring them? Are they all idiots? The writes made morbius which bombed, their only ok movie was power rangers in 2017 and even that wasn’t that good. Why can’t they just hire writers with a decent cv.

@JackMelqart

3 ай бұрын

that is the $10b question..@@ProfessorZoom_

The comparison of studios and directors/writers to homeowners and interior designers is a perfect analogy! I've never had the studio process of making movies explained better to me.

@majorlazor5058

3 ай бұрын

I have to admit. It’s a good analogy.

@rory90FiVe

3 ай бұрын

I don't think the kind of studio interference he's talking about is quite the same as the interference that results in films like Madame Web and Spider-Man 3

@keithoneil9894

3 ай бұрын

I’d also use the analogy of cooking. Example, I bought you all the ingredients to make cookies. Then you ask how about we switch the chocolate chips and have macadamias instead? No. I wanted chocolate chip cookies.

@majorlazor5058

3 ай бұрын

@@keithoneil9894 Well in your example the studio would be the one who wanted chocolate chip cookies since they are the one who bought the ingredients.

@keithoneil9894

3 ай бұрын

@@majorlazor5058 Yes. In my example, maybe I could've worded it a little better, is the studio wants chocolate chip cookies and I hired a baker to make them, and they say "Hey, let's switch it to macadamia cookies, cause that's what I want." No, I hired them to make chocolate chip cookies.

It’s pretty astonishing how pretty much everyone who has commented on Chris’s video are not comprehending that he is not a movie critic anymore. He has said this countless times now. He also literally said in the video itself that it wasn’t a review of the movie so why would he be criticizing it? He was criticizing the studios and that’s it.

@DarKAnGeL885

3 ай бұрын

But he reviewed a movie just 2 days ago...

@RandomBlackGamer

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say that he's not a critic anymore. But what I will say is that you can tell that all the people who're are outraged don't really watch him like that. I clearly remember him making a video years ago about how he was no longer gonna trash movies like he did before. Especially now that he's a director and knows what goes into producing films.

@NionAeon

3 ай бұрын

@@RandomBlackGamerthat comment from him stuck with me too! He specifically states how uncomfortable he feels with it now.

@newgeneration6534

3 ай бұрын

​@@DarKAnGeL885 If you watch the whole open mic, you should know by now the reason why he still does, and Christ already said before that he wants to review most of the movies he liked or loved and will like or love.

@lazyness2992

3 ай бұрын

@@DarKAnGeL885 It's hilarious because I watch him for his reviews, and when I was recommended that video I skipped it, since I knew it wasn't a review and I wasn't interested in the topic in question. It was pretty clear that it wasn't a review to me. I didn't even know there was drama about this....I might end up giving it a view

At this point people are giving Chris waayyy to much attention. Time to move on.

@alexp601

3 ай бұрын

It's because he has so many subscribers. People love to bash on popular people, or mention popular people in any way to get their own views and likes.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

oh godddddd here yall go 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

People like to complain about everything that they don’t agree with if you watch Chris Stuckman video, he clearly was not a review. It was just a discussion of a bigger topic.

Holy moly 3 hours! This is like Lawrence of Arabia of KZread. 😅John you are amazing. Also, I agree with what you said about Chris. He has been a treasure for us KZread film community for the last 10 years or so, and I am fully supporting his evolution from a humble KZread critic to a filmmaker.

@alexp601

3 ай бұрын

And this is John coming off a recent throat infection! 😅

@aaronfrantz25

3 ай бұрын

No one's watching his "film" Chris used to be good but sold out

@alexp601

3 ай бұрын

@@aaronfrantz25 lol dude, having ambition and following your dreams is NOT selling out. Let someone work hard to achieve a goal without being a hater.

@gstqcomics2017

2 ай бұрын

​@alexp601 his film making ambition is not what makes him a sell out..... telling us the last Jedi and rise of Skywalker were good films when it was clearly him going easy on disney because he is hoping for a phone call is definitely selling out.. he started off as an honest movie critic.. and now he is a someone who says whatever he thinks studio executives want to hear for that filmmaking ambition. John and harloff told us the last jedi was great too.. They are all in the same game. This is why John is rambling right now.. he wants to call out Chris without calling out Chris.. because he is running a similar con game. The director of madame webb was also a writer on the film and a co producer... This is not an issue of the studio Sinking a film. The director was clearly given carte blanche.. He tried to create the over bearing studio narrative.... because he wanted to run cover for the hack writers and a hack director who made this film a dumpster fire. If you can't see that you're being obtuse on purpose...

@alexp601

2 ай бұрын

@@gstqcomics2017 well you seem to know a lot more about Chris than I do. I don’t remember Harloff and Campea saying The Last Jedi was great (apart from recency bias buzz after first seeing it). At least now they both freely mention it wasn’t a great film. On a similar note, I still wonder why so many early reviews for The Flash were so extremely positive, and then it came out and everyone realised it was very flawed and mixed. I get it’s all about making money and being in peoples pockets, but I’d like to think Stuckman Harloff and Campea have a bit more integrity than that (for the most part).

Having listened to a lot of this and watched Stuckman’s video, I think like all things it falls into the middle ground. I agree the impetus is on the creatives to work within the constraints of studios. I’d argue it’s what made the MCU so good for nearly a decade. Marvel Studios developed an incredible plan that didn’t just make money but had a continuous and well thought out narrative. Yeah creatives may have lacked complete agency but damn they should be proud of what came from that time. But I can also imagine what Chris describes, a studio that is attempting to service the product more than the audience. Overly edited and audience tested into the ground to such a point that the soul of the film died long before it was premiered. Both probably happen but it’s nearly impossible to tell from the outside looking in if it was a bad idea or a bad studio. But let’s be real, Gods of Egypt and Morbius writers working with Sony, we all knew this film was going to be bad.

@Horus070

3 ай бұрын

Yes while movie studios may want to change a few scenes or use different characters… ultimately the director still have a chance to make or break a movie.

@ProfessorZoom_

3 ай бұрын

Sony are doing this to themselves, who the hell rehires the writers who wrote their last movie which bombed. I’m not going to go to the same dentist if they mess up a root canal or rehire a decorator who does a rubbish job. Give the spiderman rights back to marvel I say.

@dylangullberg7383

3 ай бұрын

@@Mickey-1994like who? I haven’t seen any videos outside of this one that weren’t purely reactionary.

@Horus070

3 ай бұрын

@@ProfessorZoom_ that is true and something many KZreadrs are saying along while criticizing Madam Web … certainly part of what some are angry about Chris’ video …

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@dylangullberg7383you cappin bro i watched like 10 videos and not all of them were reactionary

I will always be a life long subscriber of Chris stuckman and continue to watch his videos as I live and as long as he keeps making them. One thing I’ll say is I miss and will always miss his negative commentary especially his hilariousity videos lol 😂 those were so good

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

see im not that type of fan that a person can do no wrong and imma keep subscribing thats not fandom thats being a meat rider

@pixelpulseRtro

2 ай бұрын

Meh I will keep watching him . Isn’t like people are perfect right

I’ve always wondered directors like Quentin Tarantino how do they use the correct words to tell the studio to back off when they had nothing at the very beginning no power no money no fame, but they are doing something that other directors are failing at when it comes to winning over the arguments, I want to know what are they doing? That’s different.! 🧐 He beat the studio during his first movie when he had nothing. 🤯

@LostUtopiaFilms

3 ай бұрын

Timing played a big part with QT. The 90’s were a rare time for indie filmmakers to make it on to the scene. I also think Tarantino is more blunt than most first time directors want to be.

@MellowMutant

3 ай бұрын

​@@LostUtopiaFilms good point

@alexman378

3 ай бұрын

Tarantino is a brand on his own. You go to watch the Tarantino film. His previous successes is what he can leverage on that front. Same as Nolan.

@alexman378

3 ай бұрын

@@matt_indy The earlier ones, maybe, but $100M is still $100M.

Chris Stuckmann put out a video detailing why the current studio system doesn't work, breaking down the process of why the films like this happen, and giving solutions to solve the problem and people are outraged about it? Pretty much everything he said is reasonable. He openly criticized Sony and other studios for caring more about IP recognition and instant profits than letting the filmmakers make a story, and he is right. It’s more often the studio’s fault than the individual filmmaker. But I guess making a thoughtful vid about the state of the film industry and pointing out actual issues is going against the grain.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

you and john campea go out of your way to completely miss the point

@Itsallanillusion30

3 ай бұрын

​@@antoineLebrane It's the other way around buddy.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@Itsallanillusion30 you sound dumb asf

@Porky7805

3 ай бұрын

​@@antoineLebraneCare to elaborate?

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@Porky7805 not if you a chris stuckman meat rider

the only problem with the house painting colour analogy is that, when you're getting your house painted, you are catering to only your needs. But a film isn't for only the producers and studios. It is for a widespread audience. I think the creatives are probably slightly better equipped at gauging that than suit wearing executives.

@Horus070

3 ай бұрын

Perhaps decorating a restaurant would be a better analogy since. The owner with the help of a decorator would decide a style that can make the restaurant pop!

One of the best open mics John Campea has ever done at the end of the day with respect I like people giving there opinions on things especially movies People have become so toxic in todays world that if its not the popular opinion and someone has a different opinion they want disrespect and crucify you that's POS behavior in my opinion why can we all just agree to disagree without any of the hard feelings?We cant because its always gonna be the popular opinion that wins against subjectiveness.

Chris wants to be a film maker so he can’t bash current films anymore or they won’t let him into their little group. clear as day to see

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

simple!!!

@JohnDavidSullivan

3 ай бұрын

but that's a lame ass argument. Because when his film comes out he will be scrutinized arguably worse than if he had just continued as normal. He's basically dug himself a massive hole.

@mrpc3

2 ай бұрын

You movie nerds are cringe. Let the man be.

@antoineLebrane

2 ай бұрын

@@mrpc3 no!!!

@HBIC917

2 ай бұрын

​@@mrpc3Are you his mom? In his new lane, he better have thick skin.

These 3 hours were really a blast John. Been working while playing it on a second screen and really enjoyed it. Thank you so much for the laughs and thoughts and simply 'hanging around with you' feeling!

Stuckmann has always struck me as a genuinely nice guy. Now that he has completed a movie, I understand his wanting to be positive and not criticize others' work. Virtually every movie pundit or critic I follow who makes it as a writer or director comes away saying that it's hard to criticize after you have made one

@iammaximumstupied

3 ай бұрын

honestly he shouldn’t label his videos as reviews then cause if he doesn’t wanna talk about bad films then he isn’t a real critic anymore. he does want to celebrate films then yea go for it just dont talk about a bad film/the studios.

"WHERE THE F* IS JESUS?" had me cracking up.

David Lynch has said numerous times that he would rather not make a film than make a film where he didn't have final cut. And I agree. Final cut is something every filmmaker should strive for, or you're left with the theatrical cuts of Blade Runner and whatever it was Alien 3 turned out to be. Please ask David Fincher his thoughts on the amazing studio interference from Fox on that one!

I wonder how many people who are angry at Stuckman's lack of a Madame Web review, are angry about all the many, many other movies he also didn't review this past year. I read someone saying that as a critic, it's his duty to review the movie. No it isn't. He's not a police officer turning a blind eye to a mugging, or a doctor refusing to treat a patient because of their skin colour. He's just a dude on the internet talking about a movie. Maybe he just didn't want to join the pile-on. Besides, everyone already knows the movie is a steaming pile. One more review won't change that. And frankly, there's no reason for folks to be angry at a lone You-tuber, saying something that you don't like. Something you do actually like, is just three clicks away. Calm the eff down, and watch that instead.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

thats soooo not the point yall get on here and just be talkin😂😂😂

Thank you for this 3 hours!

Don't understand how Chris has pissed people off

@JohnDavidSullivan

3 ай бұрын

He got rid of his integrity.

@InnerAtanih

3 ай бұрын

Pay attention

@markchadwick636

3 ай бұрын

Give over

@JohnDavidSullivan

3 ай бұрын

@@markchadwick636 you asked and you were told. You can't afford to be so naive. or complain when we offer insight.

I agree with John. It is very obvious that this angry mob only watched the first 2 minutes of Chris' editorial video and then just unleashed their absurd fury towards him. And, honestly, I thought his video was elegant and very well grounded. Thank you, John, for doing this open mic!

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

thats a lie

@InnerAtanih

3 ай бұрын

Nope he got rightfully criticized

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@InnerAtanih facts!!

I love your take the Chris Stuckmann video. You didn't tear him apart like others did. You addressed it in an intelligent way. We need more of that on here.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

no we need more objective views and not caping for chris stuckman

@mightyninja0

3 ай бұрын

@antoineLebrane he did have an objective view, or did you not watch it. He disagreed with a lot of what Chris said. He just didn't have to tear Chris down as a person to express it.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@mightyninja0 man the fact you could get thru the entire video i tip my hat to you sir cuz once a person starts off meat riding my brain shuts off ,chris stuckman said some idiotic stuff in his video bottom line and youtubers reacted accordingly

@mightyninja0

3 ай бұрын

I get it, but I like to watch the whole video, so I don't take anything out of context. Plus I was listening to while I was at work lol

@JohnDavidSullivan

3 ай бұрын

Nobody tore Chris down, he did that himself - it's literally the Obi-Wan/Anakin scene! You might have been offended by other people's opinions of Chris but Chris has opened the floodgates to his own criticism when he opted to not "review films because he is working on one" and "he has to talk nice about film and his love for it", this is a moot point. Ironically he will be criticised more now on the basis of these points. We are free to call out a film because it is bad, just as we can celebrate a film that is good, we can have a guilty pleasure or enjoy some aspects of the film and hate others. Chris effectively chucked his integrity down the toilet. This is why channels are creeping up on his sub count, because people want a review of the film, they want an informed decision on whether to see it or not. If there is no critique people will be wasting money on a film that is bad and they will be angry.

I don't think Chris has any illusions that studios have interfered for decades. But the flow of information that exists today simply didn't exist until the internet came around and matured to the extent that studios have been able to use it to their advantage from a trends/algorithm standpoint. Once social media became a big thing, it has worsened. It's why so many movies (not all, I know!) feel the same. It starts to feel like a copy of a copy of a copy. Except we are now 20 copies in from the original form and the copies are starting to look pretty bad.

One of the sad things is in the KZread world is that anger gets clicks. Unfortunately outrage sells so I don’t think a lot of these KZreadrs are generally angry over Chris Stuckman‘s video. I think a lot of that outrage is Fake outrage. That being said, John’s analogy of employer employee in relation to a filmmaking studio and the creatives who make the movie doesn’t completely work. The studios are the investors, meaning, they are investing their resources and believing in the filmmakers vision. Or else why not simply direct and write your own film with your own money ? I think there needs to be a give-and-take, but the studio should definitely not have the right to dictate all the terms of a film being made.

37:09 yes, he did say this re: “not trying to be a film critic anymore.” And yet, he is STILL reviewing films in the most cautious way possible; that sounds like a film critic to me. Since his transition of becoming a filmmaker, he only highlights the “positives” of the films he talks about, or “reviews”. He doesn’t talk about the negatives. Heck, he praised the film “I.S.S.”, but neglected to talk about the dog-sh!t ending (something that Jeremy Jahns did not shy away from saying you’re better off walking out of the theater right before the final act, and drawing your own conclusion of the film instead). He praised Argylle (probably because he was rubbing elbows with the director in his 1:1 interview), which Jermey Jahns said it was pretty much garbage as well. The list goes on and on. Chris can do whatever he wants. It’s a free country. If he wants to play it safe and not bash films due to the possibility of being hired by studios someday, more power to him. I can see why he goes about it that way. But I don’t think it’s fair to call out folks who don’t agree with Chris’ current methods of still trying to “review” movies, when a lot of his “reviews” are skewed and biased if it works in his favor and ultimate career goals. It’s very misleading for him to do, especially when he conveniently neglects to mention any drawbacks the film may have, thus misleading viewers to believe a film is a lot better than it actually is. That’s why Jeremy Jahns has become the undeniable movie critic / review champ, because he will call a movie good when it’s good, and a movie bad when it’s bad… or even terrible. He’s unfiltered, and that’s how film critics / “reviewers” should be.

@furyofthefilmfan9293

2 ай бұрын

Very well said

2:26:10 - "Out of ALL those disciples... only ONE of them can ever say they walked on fkn water... and that's Peter."... thank u for this perspective, brotha

Yes, studio interference has been around for ages… but not this kind. Bankers, Silicon Valley, Lawyers are now the heads of this studios. I think when you try to label Kevin F as a studio interference, I think you are a little off. He’s a producer on these films. Now if Bob Iger was giving notes, that’s studio interference. I’m not saying interference is wrong it’s their money. But things have changed.

@fairulazmeir3rdseeker852

3 ай бұрын

Kevin Feige is the producer and became the president of production for marvel studios in 2007. Technically he is part of the studio and in a way his input to the creatives for their movies are "studio interference".

@feonjun

3 ай бұрын

I wonder if people behind the scene want to trash the *Spider-Man* brand to the point that *Sony* wants to sell the rights back to Marvel. Other than the Spider-Man movies, Sony current crop of Spider-Man universe movies have been crap and seems deliberately done.

Good job john.🎉

I remember reading about Battlefield Earth and how the producer micromanaged every aspect of the movie. Even prior to the released of the movie, the producer thought it was going to be a big hit. When it came out in 2000 and critics panned it, the producer blamed it on the big name star of the movie.

@scudz323

3 ай бұрын

Travolta was the big-name star. He financed and produced the movie.

@Horus070

3 ай бұрын

Isnt Brad Pitt also a movie star?

Wow what a session. This will go in the greatest hits folder👏🏿✊🏿

Every single thing of beauty that’s worth admiring, usually came out of negative criticism. Someone was told they’re not good enough, something just didn’t work or an endeavour failed. Improvement always comes from a place of reviewing the mistakes that came before. Negative criticism doesn’t have to be “shitting on a movie”, it can simply be “this didn’t work, here’s why, and that’s how you can improve upon it in the future”. Children take this level of criticism, and multi millionaire adults can’t? And no, look at what the writers have done before, that’s not studio interference. That’s enabled inability to produce quality.

I saw the video and I liked it. Never saw a single negative thing about it. And now thanks to John I went to see the responses to Chris´s video and IM LOSING MY MYND. What the hell is wrong people. So God damn pathetic to go on a rant about what someone else thinks or not. Jesus.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@route77productions

3 ай бұрын

​@@antoineLebranewhat'd Stuckmann say to get you so pressed to feel the need to respond to so many comments that objectively point out how all the rage bait channels didn't actually watch the entire video😂

Campea is the man

The Chris Stuckmann criticism came from someone clipping out like 90 seconds or so of that video and saying "lol this sucks" or something It is STRIKINGLY obvious people watched that, did not watch the rest of the video, and just assumed it was a Madame Web review

Stuckmann put a picture of Madame web on the thumbnail. He knew what he was doing. He doesn’t want to criticize the movie, fine, but then don’t use the picture in the thumbnail to improperly set expectation.

@connyjules2317

3 ай бұрын

I disagree, Madame web was a major example of what he was going to be talking about. Also, it may have set an expectation but if people actually watched the video and listened to what he said then there wouldn’t be this much outcry. It’s like people got angry for something he didn’t say and when they realize that, their response is “well you shouldn’t have put that thumbnail”. Is that really peoples response after everything Chris said? This isn’t directed at you, but to people in general who might say a similar comment that you said.

Mark Kermode is a good critic too

@willbrightmore1737

3 ай бұрын

Best since Ebert for me.

@PeloquinDavid

3 ай бұрын

Technically, Kermode is a radio-based critic rather than a KZread one, but I completely agree: all three (Kermode, Stuckman and Johns) are my first stops when I want to see what others thought about films I've just seen...

"I don't know that I'll ever understand making videos to give your opinion about someone else's opinion." said John Campea. The same guy who has done several videos doing just that. For example, all the times he's opined about Martin Scorsese's or Francis Ford Coppola's anti comic book movie opinions. Not that I think that's wrong. I just don't see a difference between that and people giving their opinion on Stuckmann's opinion in the Madame Web video. Not to mention Campea proceeds in this video to give his opinion on Stuckmann's opinion.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️😂😂😂mannnnn youtubers are comedy sometimes

Chris has great insight on movies. I’ve enjoyed his positive and negative reviews. And it’s fine if he no longer wants to do negative reviews. If that’s the case, then don’t talk about bad movies. His video on Madam Web just comes off as passive aggressively giving a negative review without actually saying it. It was a very frustrating experience watching that. It’s like, come on, man, just say it already.

@Xayjohns

3 ай бұрын

And honestly, I think that's what most people aren't understanding about why people are upset. Sure, it's not that serious to where it needs to be a big deal. And maybe you didn't need Chris to just come right out and say that he didn't like Madame Web to know that he didn't. But it all just came across as a giant smoke screen just for him to avoid acknowledging what he hated, and even liked about it. Not that he didn't make some great points, but the constant infantilization of creatives is what put me off. Not because somebody has to scream their head off in a rant, but because positive and negative feedback should be encouraged towards them and the studios.

Lol I know exactly the KZreadr John mentioned about having so much less viewers than Chris … he was indeed very passionate about how much angry he was w Chris being passive about his reviews

Great show all through and through ❤

As much as I love and I mean LOVE Batman Returns, it's an example of why I presume studios tug the proverbial leash when it comes to giving directors or creators carte blanche (unless they consistently bring in $$$) when it comes to comic book IP. I always wonder what Returns would've been if WB made "suggestions" to that project.

To be fair any and all people's opinions are subjective.

well said

Just watched the stuckman podcast. For the life of me why is everyone pissed off at him? Clearly he didn't like madame web and it seemed he wanted to blame studio interference and that was the general thrust or theme of that show.

"Bashing is for the desperate and pathetic" John was Spittin

When creatives suck at being creative, they always love to blame business people for their own, poor creative products and lack of creativity. Everyone needs to face the truth. The creatives (producers, writers and directors) are nowhere near as good as they think they are. Superhero movies are bad because the creative teams are mediocre. This applies to everyone of the major studios (Marvel Studios, WB DC, Sony, etc).

@randomguy6679

3 ай бұрын

It depends on the project man. There are different people to blame for different projects going wrong, you can’t just straw man an argument like that.

@KeepDreamin247

3 ай бұрын

@@randomguy6679 That's not a strawman argument. It's a general observation. It's popular to bash studio business leaders, but the creatives often get a free pass.

@randomguy6679

3 ай бұрын

@@KeepDreamin247 My point was it can go either way, your statement made it seem like it’s pretty much always on the executives and that straight up isn’t true.

@KeepDreamin247

3 ай бұрын

@@randomguy6679 Read my original post. I never phrased anything to imply that studios always get the blame. The studio and creatives both are responsible for bad movies (and there are a lot of bad superhero movies). The studio doesn't give $250M for a project to creatives and say, "Hey guys, here is a van load of cash. Please make a crappy movie." The creatives often suck at being creative, and they don't take accountability. Many professionals and fans will defend creatives, but they're just heavily biased. Sure, studios make their own decision making mistakes, too.

@randomguy6679

3 ай бұрын

@@KeepDreamin247 Again, sometimes that’s the case, sometimes that isn’t. Sometimes they’re both to blame, sometimes one side is to blame, sometimes it’s the other. If you need further proof that studios can be solely responsible for ruining projects? Look up the behind the scenes shitshow behind Chaos Walking.

According to Chris, if we shouldn't say anything negative about the work of creatives who have made a bad movie. We should blame the studio. So, we then praise the studio when a good movie comes out, instead of the creatives behind it?

Chris did one of the best trailer reactions and probably the only one that doesn't over act. Hhe watched it like most us watch them and then talk about it after. Respect

I watched Chris’ video on Madame Webb last week and it was probably the most diplomatic review for a bad film I’ve ever seen. Yeah he could’ve gone that route and bashed it but he clearly set the expectation that he wasn’t going to do that. To see people losing their minds over it is ridiculous.

One example of studio interference improving a movie was recommending Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice over Sammy Davis Jr.

@danielwright3929

3 ай бұрын

Another one, but on the flip side is James Cameron trying to explain the bad optics of casting the producer’s pick for the Terminator, who was O.J. Simpson. For real, the studio wanted to cast a black football player as a murderous machine hunting down a white woman. This is a true story by the way. There are videos from Cameron where he talks about it.

The point about Stuckman and Jermey Johns being two of the best movie critics on KZread is one of the highest forms of praise coming from Campea.

@InnerAtanih

3 ай бұрын

They’re not. They’re just the most well known

Did John make a video about his opinion on Martin scorseses opinion of comic book movies? Just poking a little bit of fun love the show

There's been a few former film critics like C Robert Cargil (Who was a film critic for Aint it Cool News, who wrote Sinister and Doctor Strange) and Ryan Turek (Who co founded Dread Central before producing Movies for Blumhouse) who once they started making movies, they just didn't review movies afterwards because they felt they couldnt be objective. I think Stuckmann has all the right to do whatever he wants, but trying to find that line between being a filmmaker and critic that's a tough line.

I highly respect Chris Stuckman and his opinions about cinema and film.

haha "is chris stuckmans name in this video?" i think most do it for same reason you do, its a covered topic, but there are a few who def just use to rage bait or white knight clickbait.. the biggest problem i have is the pretending to not be a critic when you just reviewed a move a few days agoit

Hmmm, don't know if I screen with you John about studios and filmmakers. But I see where you are going.

Folks who were mad at that video from Chris Stuckmann either don’t follow his KZread channel at all or simply haven’t followed it in years cus otherwise they’d know that he doesn’t consider himself a traditional film critic anymore, doesn’t review films that he would give lower than a B - and on top of that doesn’t do letter grades anymore except if there’s a film he thinks deserves an A+ in which case he’ll do it plus he’s a filmmaker now with a film of his own (SHELBY OAKS) that is currently in post-production and doesn’t wanna burn bridges in the industry. Not once did he say that folks can’t dislike MADAME WEB. The only place that exists is in idiots own head. Really not that hard to understand this take of his. I met Chris (and Jeremy Jahns) at Comic-Con back in 2015 and true story Campea walked by me in the hallway and I didn’t say anything to him only cus he had someplace to be so I didn’t wanna bug him but I did meet Jon Schnepp (RIP) and he was cool. I’m reminded back when SAW 7 was announced they had brought on SAW 5 Director David Hackl to helm the film while Kevin Greutert (who had directed SAW 6) was originally gonna direct PARANORMAL ACTIVITY 2 but Lionsgate forced him back and David was booted off the film which of course meant Kevin wouldn’t be able to direct PA2 anymore. So knowing that info back when it happened and the film was panned I don’t fault Kevin for the film and that doesn’t mean you can’t dislike the film but I would hope folks understand that he had no intentions at that time to direct another SAW film so when a studio forces you back to direct something that when your heart isn’t in it that’s just bad business right there. So excuse Chris Stuckmann for wanting to discuss these issues regarding studios instead of being some stupid grifting incel or anti-woke idiot who will shout at the top of their lungs and hope every film flops just so he can laugh his ass off about it. Folks on social media love to discuss more and more of what films they hate rather than what films they love. I remember when issues were reported about Sony’s MEN IN BLACK: INTERNATIONAL and I remember hearing about issues behind the scenes with the 2019 HELLBOY reboot with David Harbour. There’s plenty of videos online of folks ripping MADAME WEB so go watch those. Also the lady who posted on Twitter to her nearly 15k followers 41 seconds of Stuckmann’s 16 minute video, go look at her KZread channel where she has a video trashing the BARBIE movie for an hour and 28 minutes and she has the nerve to call Chris “annoying”?! Who wants to listen to someone bash a film for that long?! In any case Chris did nothing wrong and more that some folks on social media are just being assholes.

The greatest irony here is that, in order to avoid criticizing the creatives, he inadvertently criticizes the studios he would hope to get hired by to direct a film in the future by. Funny how he doesn’t see that.

Yeah that’s the thing with rage baiters, there is always enough fish on the line to keep em baiting.. They don’t even need to provide context now, just thumbnails with red arrows or dumb photoshops with tears everywhere. Within the video they always tend to rant in circles of hypocrisy and bitterness..

Thanks John I hadn’t seen anything about this Great Open Mic

That thing about the BAFTAS time difference. Here in the UK, we have the same problem with the Oscars. It's on the news, before you have chance look away.

John's sermon reminded me of a poem "The Man in the Arena." Definitely check it out.

Obviously, none of us knows but I think Madame Web has Avi Arad's fingerprints all over it, right down to showing characters that exist only so that they can make toys.

@jmiller2728

3 ай бұрын

Arad actually wasn't a producer on Madame Web.

@JoeJoe-lq6bd

3 ай бұрын

@@jmiller2728 I know but I suspect he's still got a lot of influence since he's been the "Marvel guy" for Sony for so long.

I always think about what my film professor said to all of us, if it’s not your money, it’s not your film, if the studios are giving you money to make your film, it will not be your film ultimately

@thoarnejones6805

3 ай бұрын

What a pointed and mature statement. It’s a reality that has to be accepted. Which tells you how inevitable needing the studios are. No one person can reasonably afford to make a film on par with what the studios produce. Between $50-$200 MILLION dollars. Very few people have that kind of disposable income. Respect has to be given.

I don't understand why some people act like they paid their taxes for private companies to make movies or games.

Yeah I think people are totally missing the point of Chris’ video smh

You are right on man.

Grasp the difference between a movie like, say, the Phantom Thread, where the studio is providing financing to an artist to help an artist achieve their vision (while still hoping to make money from the end result), versus a movie like Madame Webb, where the studio is the the group of people that actually came up with the idea to do the movie in the first place. They're just commissioning the creatives, as John said, to make the product for them. Now, within that context, where everyone is involved with making a product, I definitely think it's possible to say "well, there are too many cooks in this kitchen, there is not one clear vision guiding the project, there are conflicting agendas here that aren't working well together, interesting ideas are being overridden by marketing decisions which are impairing the quality of the final product, etc., etc., etc.....".

Good discussion. Appreciated this

The Chris Stuckmann debacle is officially worst than the James Rolfe Ghostbusters "Controversy"

Nobody was pretending it was a MW review. They were deeply and correctly critiquing his nonsense take that reviews shouldn’t be critical and bad movies should be blamed on studios without any evidence.

I shared the video after watching it, cause I thought it was such a great analysis on why films like madam web may happen, having not read the comments yet. And immediately even the people I shared it with, aside from those that are a lot more film savy, started to immediately hate on Chris, and I couldn't figure it out. Then I went back and looked at the comments and was totally taken aback, they didn't even pay attention to the video, just want him to say mean things like everyone else..

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

yall act slow on the internet like chris is a god and can do no wrong 😂😂😂

@flaminggmonkeyss

3 ай бұрын

@@antoineLebrane has nothing to do with right or wrong, it has to do with ignorant people commenting about other things that had nothing to do with the actual video...

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@flaminggmonkeyss i watched mad videos and NOBODY did that

@flaminggmonkeyss

3 ай бұрын

@@antoineLebrane are you watching the same vid? vast majority of the top comments are people that either didn't watch it or can't seem to understand its not a review. almost all of them just want him to hate on madam web instead of actually taking in the information and message of the video smh lol

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@flaminggmonkeyss nobody wanna hear all that review the got damn movie we dont care about all that other stuff chris is talkin about for one hes making excuses for why madame web was bad noooo we not doin that

Couldn't agree more!

I love you John so much for saying Van Damme first over Arnold and Stallone in the 80s!!!! Lets Go babyyy!!! hahaha Van Damme was so awesome back in the day. Opening weekend nights would be packed in theatres for movies like Lionheart and Universal Soldier!!!

Francois Truffaut...Charles Laughton....film critics and directors. John, every filmmaker is a film critic. They're the first audience, the first critic.

Damn. Saw a long list of rage ish videos when I search Chris stockman controversy. As for people who kept saying Chris is not cool anymore because he doesn’t criticize bad films. He addressed it before where he decided to not review the bad ones. So i just expect that if he’s not reviewing a movie. That means he’s not positive about that movie and I just go to Jeremy Jahns to see his perspective.

Thank you John for your peter reference!

Hey John, what about Jon Schnepp as a film creator and a KZread movie critic/pundit(and I'm thinking about metalocalypse, abcs, death of superman)

great show

Jesus Christ, I'm getting so sick of the the Chris Stuckmann situation... it's literally just people manufacturing drama. That's all it is. People got upset that his video wasn't what they wanted it to be, so they tried to recontextualize it into something else entirely so they could complain. That's why so many of the comments have next-to-nothing to do with the actual video. It's like going to McDonalds, ordering a Big-Mac... and then bitching at the staff because you didn't get a taco. In a few weeks, nobody will care because the situation is just mind-numbing meaninglessness people are using to distract themselves from the real world.

To be honest I already made up my mind long ago about Chris being neutered as a movie critique since he entered the movie business, he tries very hard to not bash a film, but I am totally fine with it. I mostly watch him now for movie recommendations and educational purposes. But I still hope one day he gives a fair review and call it out when the movie is bad as a critique and not someone who works in the industry.

@ILMorgan216

3 ай бұрын

Did…..you watch John’s feedback at all? Chris went after STUDIOS. Seems like the opposite of being “neutered” when he’s pitching screenplays to……..studios. His critique of the movie-making business was his objective, he didn’t give a review (good OR bad) of the movie. And was very clear that ain’t going to be the topic he was making a vid about.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

@@ILMorgan216dosent matter he used madame web in the thumbnail as clickbait not only that theres something to be said about giving AN OBJECTIVE view on a movie and not only that he spent damn near the whole video kissing the directors ass so dont switch the narrative

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

im not okay with it its lame asf

@ILMorgan216

3 ай бұрын

@@antoineLebrane Madame Webb was the movie experience that inspired the video…he’s not allowed to say that? If I eat at a Thai restaurant and it’s great but makes me reflect on how great it is that we can have so many cultural foods, do I HAVE to review that restaurant’s food?? After I’ve SAID i don’t do that anymore? Lol Also he NEVER said the director did a good job. Never praised the creative team of the movie. Never said the movie was directed well. Simply “this thing has studio interference written all over it.

@ILMorgan216

3 ай бұрын

@@antoineLebrane man, gotta call a spade a spade. You, and a lot of commenters/fellow KZreadrs are basically throwing a tantrum saying: “STUCKMANN we’re entitled to you doing what you’ve always done!! You not reviewing a movie that you’ve watched makes you a phony, and the fact that you make movies somehow makes you a sellout. And how DARE you grow to be more objective because now you see everything involved in movie-making and you’re just SMARTER from that experience?!” Smh. The internet, ladies and gentlemen.

I like your Peter walking on water story as it compares to Chris Stuckmann, very witty.

For me, Stuckmann is my favorite movie reviewer. I find a lot of my opinions of movies aligning with his. I was bummed out when he kind of stopped being a reviewer, but I respect him for what he's doing. He still reviews movies, but basically only the ones that he thinks are good. John is right when he said the best movie reviewers on YT are Stuckmann & Jeremy Jahns. I hope Stuckmann's movie turns out great for him, I honestly don't really have high expectations for it, being that he doesn't have the big budget, resources, & good Actors, but who knows, it could be a surprise. Him getting it done would be a huge accomplishment in itself. I hope it's as close as possible to what he wants it to be, because I'm sure there are some restraints on it, since it's not like he has unlimited funding & can do everything he wanted.

Why is the movie getting labored over at all when there's actually good movies to yadda yadda about..

The more vitriol, anger, and hate I've seen from Movie Review KZreadrs talking about Chris Stuckmann, the more I understand why Chris wanted to stop being part of film negativity

@InnerAtanih

3 ай бұрын

False equivalent

My issue is that he is trying to play both sides until what he wants sticks. Nothing wrong with that, but, that´s pretty fucking complicated.

@antoineLebrane

3 ай бұрын

my issue is people in the comments meat riding chris stuckman as if hes a god

John, I love you, but i highly doubt you have that high of a percentage of opposing views on film compared to stuckman. I watch all your reviews along with his, and you seem to be pretty much on the same page most of the time. definitely not 50\50 as you said.

My favorite Chris Stuckmann Review will always be The Emoji Movie Review!