a big selling point for me is that it can emulate a g29 style logitech wheel which means instant support for basically any even older driving game! i can imagine it being a struggle setting up a fanatec etc. to run an old need for speed game or something like that

Thank you, Alex. Were hoping you were going to do a time attack and see if you can break your own Canadian lap record with the Logitech or a performance comparison. Hopefully in the future since your reviews are always technical and thorough.

If you struggle with pushing past the limit of load on a loadcell set of pedals, then all you have to do is set your maximum load unput to be higher.... To the point where when you brake your hardest you barely reach 100%. That pretty much solves the issue right there.

@jinx20001

Жыл бұрын

no what he was saying is he does not like that the load cell does not have a hard stop when you reach 100 percent which is a very strange thing to say because if he has driven a car in real life that also does not come to a hard stop at maximum braking, it only gets to a point where you cant push the brake any further due to the force that would be required to compress the fluid. If a brake pedal in real life did hit a hard stop that hard stop would be the floor of the car and you would have a major major problem lol

@AlexGillon

Жыл бұрын

But the key thing is you need to be able to hit 100% brakes in the F1 game. If I made my pedal as stiff as you're suggesting, I wouldn't be able to reach 100% by the end of the race because of fatigue

@sedixmrboss5625

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexGillon Then train more. F1 drivers reach 100% by the end of the race, and the force used is about 161kg. Your loadcell only goes to 100kg. So stop complaning.

@OMM.F1

Жыл бұрын

@@sedixmrboss5625 ... Not everyone is a professional athlete I bet you can't press 100kg at the end of a race.

@senseikawasaki2326

Жыл бұрын

@@sedixmrboss5625it doesnt mean anything, some drivers prefer softer pedals(like lando) And comparing force like that isnt right, it depends on a lot of things and in f1 you have the car deceleration that helps you a little bit(not as much as Many people think tho

Yeah I don’t think I can ever take someone’s hardware review seriously when they say loadcells aren’t better than potentiometer. It is scientifically proven that humans are better at remembering and repeating force inputs rather than distance inputs. If you spends the time to actually learn how to use a loadcell pedal then you will never go back to a potentiometer pedal because the consistency is just way better outright

@keppycs

Жыл бұрын

He didn't say loadcells are outright worse. He just gave his opinion

Nice review. Thanks a lot. I’m waiting for it to be available where I live.

I struggled with loadcells at the start, but after a couple of weeks I started to notice that it was much easier to avoid locking up the brakes with the loadcell as the muscle memory kicked in, but yeah you first need to train your muscle memory in the braking leg before loadcell starts to make sense.

Excited for this want to save up for it but holding our for shifter option before I plan to build out a rig.

Thanks for the review Alex! Really want a setup like this, but the price is very high! Only started playing F1 this year and played 250hours now, currently using G29 so i dont know if I should start saving up some money for a proper setup :D This review gave some really good insight, so thank you very much! Looking forward to more content from you!

@Britishdumber

3 ай бұрын

if you wanna do f1, moza might be the way to go, you can get moza r12 and srp pedels with an f1 rim for a little more the the logitech, or you can go r9 with 9nm and f1 stuff for the same price, just do some searching and biuld a basket of what you want

Question about your rig: did you buy it or did you build it? If you did build it, do you have/sell the plans? I'd like to build one myself but I cannot find the plans/blueprints of one anywhere. Otherwise, good video! Thanks

What games did you try the trueforce on? As not all games support it. From other reviews everyone seemed very impressed with the trueforce on GT7.

Just picked up a set as well, everything is well built and you can see the lengths that Logitech went to build quality piece of product, regardless of the plastic. My nitpick is the QR as well, there is no audible click when you slide the wheel onto the base. But it is held very solid, no movements in any direction.

@mannyfresh7065

5 ай бұрын

How do you like it? Was debating this or getting a fanatec DD kit at $399 but heard fanatec has plastic quick connect that runs into lots of issues and Logitech I see is metal. Anyways how’s it holding up 2 months later?

I'm not sure if they planned it this way but Trueforce is very impressive when mounted to their playseat trophy rig. If you turn it up, you can feel it throughout the rig and feels quite impressive. Gran Turismo 7 makes good use of Trueforce too.

@oscarlebron2086

Жыл бұрын

How long have you had it for ? The playseat trophy rig and G pro ?🤔

@jamiepoulton5584

6 ай бұрын

I don't like the trueforce at all and I have it mounted to the playseat trophy,the wheel is great without the trueforce tho

@mannyfresh7065

5 ай бұрын

Do you have the pro on the play seat? Was looking to get it but worried about DD being too heavy/ vibrate too much

@wooskie29

5 ай бұрын

@mannyfresh7065 Yes, I have both and it has been almost a year since I wrote the comment and I still agree with what I said. They work great together and the playseat trophy is super solid with 0 flex.

Best review on the best wheels & pedals! Great content!

the thing with the loadcell is you can adjust hte max travel on them so i have them set up that when i have full travel i press around 85% so i can modulate purely on muscle memory

One thing that was kind of missed in the review was how thick of a desk you can mount it to. How wide does the clamp open up to. Other than that a great review very detailed

Love your videos

You can connect shifter and handbrake Thrustmaster to this? Cheers

hello congratulations for the video. In your opinion, between fanatec csl elite and logitech pro which is better coming from g29?

@Breal01

3 ай бұрын

Logitech

you are first youtuber I have seen who prefers potentiometer/hal effects sensor over LC

@AlexGillon

Жыл бұрын

Thomas Ronhaar also doesn't use a load cell in F1 Esports!! I think with the F1 game in particular, load cell is not an advantage, but with something more sensitive like iRacing, it can be an advantage

@StickyPlasters

Жыл бұрын

@Alex Gillon I found load cells with good elastomers a massive advantage in f1. Its just a matter of getting used to them and building the muscle memeory

@vjollila96

Жыл бұрын

@@StickyPlasters for my it took few days to get used to LC but after that I wouldn't go back

Nice review Alex! Would you recommend this wheel over a Fanatec CSL DD?

@RJ-cq8dd

Жыл бұрын

Fanatec has some durability issues with the connector i read (wheel connect to base). And from my own experience the customer service is not good after the warranty expires. I have the Logi DD Pro and love it, but can't say anything yet about customer service. The wheel and base are all very solid though.

@mannyfresh7065

5 ай бұрын

@@RJ-cq8ddhow’s it holding up? I also heard the same about fanatec (I guess their quick connect is plastic and not metal like the pro here) about quality and customer support issues. I just wish Best Buy sold the PS5 and PC version since I have total tech membership.

@RJ-cq8dd

5 ай бұрын

@@mannyfresh7065 It had a small issue where i could hear some creaking when turning the wheel past a certain point. Could also very slighlty feel it through the wheel. Contacted Logi and swiftly got a completely new wheel. Can't complain about that!

@mannyfresh7065

5 ай бұрын

@@RJ-cq8dd wow good to know they have good customer service!

As far as Trueforce goes, not many titles support it atm. My only sim is iracing atm. It supports it very well I feel. You can obviously adjust the intensity in ghub or on base, but to get the most out of it iracing has its own Trueforce file you can adjust each sensation, gear shifts, road texture, rumble strip, engine rpm, etc. Hopefully an easier way to adjust these settings will come about, but once you have these settings dialed, it feels weird/numb without it. I'm not sure if F1 has support for Trueforce yet.

@timreeves6901

9 ай бұрын

would you mind giving me ur settings ?

If you only race Formula cars, it's cheaper to put together a Fanatec DD setup WITH a Formula wheel rim which is just infinitely cooler. I, too, feel like the biggest pitfall of this Logi wheel is the price...

@BrunodeSouzaLino

Жыл бұрын

For only a bit more than the wheel alone costs, you can get a full Moza R5 setup with shifter, handbrake and digital dash. And aluminum pedals as opposed to paying 300+ bucks for the same plastic pedals Logitech has been shipping since their G27.

@robertdevald

Жыл бұрын

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Yeah idk about that Bruno, the Moza R5 + all the stuff you mentioned counted together is hella expensive hahah

@BrunodeSouzaLino

Жыл бұрын

@@robertdevald Price wise in USD, the Moza R5 setup is only a bit more expensive than just the Logitech Pro Wheel. The whole Logi Pro Setup is about 400 bucks more expensive and you don't get a shifter or handbrake. You either have to spend more to get a better quality shifter or use Logitech's shitty one they've been recycling since the G29.

Is the Fanatec DD PRO (8nm) a better choice? 🤔 I have a PS5 and a QD-OLED 55" TV

@nicholashatcher2844

4 ай бұрын

Same question.

What happens for example in GT7 if I set the max torque to 5/10 and on the wheel I set it to say 5 nm? Does this mean the effective max torque would be 2.5 nm?

Does the pedals have the famous pins to stick to carpet?

I was between the this and the moza r9. I ended up going with the r9 and the gs wheel because it’s less money and the gs wheel is SO nice

@Arvidje

Жыл бұрын

same here.. was fan of this, but the r9 setup has more durable feel.. u can tweak a lot of forces to get pretty much the same feeling out of it..

@buzzbuzzard3809

Жыл бұрын

Logitech is a 5 billion dollar company and official sponsor of McLaren F1 team. It´s safe to say they will be better in tech and build quality.

@BrunodeSouzaLino

Жыл бұрын

@@buzzbuzzard3809 Then explain why are they charging 349 bucks for a pedal set made of plastic when Moza gives you something which is entirely aluminum for less? You can buy a a Moza R5 Bundle, add the clutch and load cell, shifter, handbrake and digital dash for only slightly more than you'd just pay on the Logitech wheel alone.

@MikaTuukkanen

Жыл бұрын

@@buzzbuzzard3809 The 5 billion dollars evaluation comes from the differenec between the quality of the pruduct and the sale value of the product. Just think about EA. They do have a massive evaluation, while pretty much all their recent games are shitty cash grabs. They put little effort to make quality, but make shit tons of money. So comparing evaluation to product quality sounds absurd.

@buzzbuzzard3809

Жыл бұрын

@@MikaTuukkanen I have to confess that I´ve recently started getting big technical problems with my Logitech wheel after about 1 1/2 years of ownership and your point is fair. Although I wasn´t using the pro wheel.. I´d assume that one is better quality. Of course its also true that a smaller company could focus more on build quality and technically make a more reliable product, although the financial factor has to affect research and development. Logitech's partnership with Mclaren Racing also has to confer some sort of advantage. The true force feature is also pretty unique and immersive. I´ve also found some online reports about people experiencing issues like broken pedal shifter with the Moza and looking at the warranty periods they tend to be shorter. I got 2 years warranty on my G923 which allows me to replace it now with a brand new one, Moza caps it´s warranty at wheels at 12 months so I would´ve been out of luck and forced to spend a lot of money again. Are you a Moza user? Curious to hear your experiences.

I have the wheel and pedals, they are amazing, my old Fantech was not as good...each to their own I guess. I am faster with this wheel too.

You can't have a review sponsored by the company that makes the product being reviewed! Nuts. Even more reason to avoid this good but crazy expensive wheel!

@RJ-cq8dd

Жыл бұрын

Such stupid comments this. Direct drive IS expensive. Fanatec too (base +wheel is €1000 and less Nm force compared to Logi). If you cant afford it just buy a belt driven base. I have this Logi wheel and it is worth it.

@BrunodeSouzaLino

Жыл бұрын

@@RJ-cq8dd A full Moza R5 Bundle setup with the clutch + load cell, digital dash, shifter and handbrake costs less than the Logitech wheel. And you're getting metal components, instead of rehashed plastic, like the same pedal set Logitech has been vomiting since the G27 and dares to charge 340 bucks for when a fully aluminum Moza SRP with the clutch and load cell upgrades is cheaper.

@RJ-cq8dd

Жыл бұрын

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Only the shell is plastic. Everything that gets stress tested is made of metal. And the plastic is heavy duty. My heel plate is still in new condition, not a mark on it. So it really doesn't matter. I don't have the Moza so i can't compare the two. All i know the FF is very impressive on the Logi. Edit: lol 5.5 nm on the Moza :') that's no comparison.

@BrunodeSouzaLino

Жыл бұрын

@@RJ-cq8dd Strange, because the Fanatec Bundle has a 6 NM base and nobody even said a thing, but because it's a Chinese brand, we have to over analyze every single specification to death. Still cheaper than the Logitech setup though. No console support, but that's a niche audience.

@RJ-cq8dd

Жыл бұрын

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Then you havent read much about Fanatec as everybody recommends to get the booster as 6nm is not enough to get a really good direct drive experience.

My G29 won't work without Ghub and I hate it. Can you really use the G Pro without Ghub?

How did u get Logitech to sponsor u

I was out of here the moment i heard " Shout out to Logitech for sponsoring video and also of course sending me the equipment.. My thoughts are no one is going to send you anything if they hear you give bad reviews. I watched up until you finished that line 17 seconds in so i did not watch the rest but i bet at the end you say its good.

What is better moza r12 or logitech pro?

Had mine 3 weeks or so paid £1212.48 in a Logidays sale a further £50 off arrived in 4 days from the Netherlands to the UK free shipping too tell where else you can get the base,wheel pedals and a great desk clamp and spare bits for the loadcells adjustment G Hub software ive had no issues at all i'm on Win 10 and as said i use the base settings and game settings no real need for the G Hub settings i challenge anybody to find an 11nm bundle for what i paid and the same 3 pedal load cell and solid steering wheel yes theres some plastic in unimportant places now we have the T818 Thrustmaster another DD drive but their wheels are iffy quality wise i think lets see what they do,the Logitech is big but it houses a rear fan and it's extra width helps allot if you have it on a desk the Trueforce i turn it off it makes a horrible noise if turned up high not my thing at all if i want more noise i would of kept my old cog driven wheel.

@daviddurrani

Жыл бұрын

All the reviews seem to suggest the Trueforce needs to be set below 20%. Many that live it have it set very low. It probably require software tinkering to get perfect but if you read what it actually is and where the data comes from you would spend some time on it. It's worth it to get the right setting because the immersion is great. Also make sure you are using a Trueforce title. There are only a handful of titles supported currently.

I am guessing the next version of the game are not going to have an FTX logo on the car. 🙀

The price is right. Fanatec is a little bit cheaper, but has 8 newton meters instead of 11. And i hate their customer service. If you are on console and you want direct drive then this is it. I haven't tried any other direct drive wheels so cant compare..i just know i freakin love this wheel.

@trevz1048

Жыл бұрын

Why spend this much just to play granturismo not much else worth bothering with on console acc is shite unless it's played on pc

@RJ-cq8dd

Жыл бұрын

@@trevz1048 i play AC 1 mostly. Switched to pc though for the mods and shh shifter. I don't know how the ff is on other dd wheels but this one is perfect.

I'm not a fan of load cell either. If you want performance only, it's waaaay easier to find 100% with a physical limit. I feel that load cell is only be relevant/worth it if you have force feedback through the pedals

@F1DrivingZombie

Жыл бұрын

What you said is actually scientifically false. Like completely. Humans are much better at remembering the force you put into something rather than the distance that you push something. If you use loadcell for more than an hour than you would massively prefer load cell

@Arvidje

Жыл бұрын

@@F1DrivingZombie i think loadcell will work the best with a proper motion platform and braking and feel the braking force

@SeanyMacks

Жыл бұрын

You shouldn't be braking to 100% constantly anyways. And as someone else here pointed out... braking force is much easier to deal with than brake pedal DISTANCE. That's how real cars work.

@erick2328

Жыл бұрын

at first, i have same opinion with you, especially when i try my first loadcell pedal, which feel really wierd at first and hard to judge how hard you brake, but after lap and lap, it feels much more natural, as sometimes with potensio brake in middle of the long race i tend to become less consistent with distance pedal (braking point keep changing) but with loadcell, i can keep braking consistently, and in f1 game, i manage to shorten my braking distance because my trail braking is smoother, which make me faster + consistent

@DeMilo86

Жыл бұрын

@@F1DrivingZombie you're right for trail braking or not when not braking at 100% often. But when there's a physical end stopping you with hardly any resistance it's much easier. For other braking I do agree that after some practice your muscle memory will take over and be more efficient

The pricing is so much above the g923 😐 Logitech should have a model with direct drive between the g pro and g923. Like a g323DD not as strong as the g pro in the same housing as the g923 (and same pedals as the g923).

Price point with no options to upgrade, tell me the Fanatec GT DD1 is the way to go for Playstation, as it is less expensive,upgrade-able, and GT7 doesn't appear to support Trueforce,, and that's a deal breaker for me.

Just bought it, lets hope its worth the price.

@jamespearson3835

Жыл бұрын

Was it?

@dutch_bullet

Жыл бұрын

@@jamespearson3835 ​ It's insane how much more powerful and detailed a direct drive is, it makes it feel way more realistic. I dont think the Trueforce is a game changer but I miss it when its not on. So I think its worth it. Everything feels so solid and high quality (even with all the plastic components).

Looks quite nice, but Micro USB in 2022? Can't wait for the USB port to get hosed on my 1000$ racing wheel.

This is one of several videos where it seems true force has been misunderstood. Logitech needs to do a better job explaining what it is and conveying the message that not all games support it

1st guy I hear that doesn’t like loadcell

wait do you have a wooden rig ? that may be the reason why you cant feel the true force

you kind of lost me when talking about the load cell because a lot of what you were saying didn't make sense, you were kind of arguing against what makes a brake pedal feel realistic. Like for example you said you didn't really like that at 100 percent braking there was no hard stop indicating you are at 100 percent and you could still push a little further. I dont really understand this because in any real car its the same story, you are never braking to a hard stop because you are compressing fluid so should never reach the end of the pedals travel, only the end of your ability to compress the fluid further, if there was a hard stop in a car then you would have a major issue. the solution to that feeling of being able to push past 100 percent would be to tune the load cell within software, dont know about the logitech's but most load cell pedals have some kind of software where you can set 100 percent at your desired pressure and if you want a harder brake you would just replace the springs/dampers etc. But preferring a hard stop to the pedal to know in your mind when you are at 100 percent is a strange one.

@AlexGillon

Жыл бұрын

Definitely agree the 'feel' of load cell is more realistic, but the difference with real life is that there's no software limit on how hard you can press the brakes I mainly play the F1 game, where you actually want to hit 100% brakes for like half of the braking zone. Something like iRacing is a very different story because you very rarely want to hit the brake limit anyway

@decay2__

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexGillon I drive ACC a lot where you need to be 100% on the brakes and load cells made a huge difference (in a good way) for me. Trail braking is also simpler with load cell pedals.

@Joegray123

Жыл бұрын

tbf f1 cars are break by wire not hydrolics

Alex I wasn't logged in to Google but comments like, "fair and honest review" really gets me going. This payment by supplying hardware is a growing and troublesome economy. It promotes lies and confusion in sheeple. It is NOT POSSIBLE to give a fair and honest opinion and companies like Logitech know this. They throw expensive kit at utube spruiks knowing these channels want respect in the industry (and it is an industry) and to grow their subscription base. So vloggers will absolutely say this tripe up front, but it does NOT make it true and never will. Fess up mate, you have been paid for comment by the barter system. I can only hope you don't ask people to head on over to some affiliate site to grab a discount so you can get some cash as well. No? Well, many others do. There's no limit to how low humans will sink for money. There's a little bit of Trump in too many utubers I reckon.

way too expensive imo..

Try force doesn’t work on f1 titles

@richardneville6304

Жыл бұрын

The PC version of F1 22 supports it, but not the console versions, unfortunately.

@nicholashatcher2844

4 ай бұрын

F1 2023 is supported on consoles

This thing looks like Darth Vader!🤔

"just doesnt feel that premium" yeah its logitech, they sell stuff worth 200€ for 1000€. And stuff worth 50€ for 300€ don't fall in the hole

F123 doesn’t have trueforce…

Dude.... load cells are way better

Ngl this looks awful, for that price you might as well spend a tiny bit more and get a Simucube

@sandrocostley-white6730

Жыл бұрын

But what if you want console compatibility? 😅

@MattEmery34

Жыл бұрын

@@sandrocostley-white6730 True, I didn’t think of that. What about Fanatec Direct Drivers tho? I swear u can use them on console

@sandrocostley-white6730

Жыл бұрын

@@MattEmery34 yes, sure you can. But between Fanatec and Logitech I have chosen the Logitech. Mostly because of where I live (Africa) and after sales assistance would be complicated if I had chosen differently. Would be a tougher decision if I lived elsewhere.

@MattEmery34

Жыл бұрын

@@sandrocostley-white6730 ah okay I see, that makes sense. Personally I think that Logitech are best at the budget stuff I’m not so sure if I’d ever buy something like a direct drive from themm

@trevz1048

Жыл бұрын

@@sandrocostley-white6730 so you pay over £1000 to play 2 maybe 3 games at the most just makes no sense to me unless using this on pc

Logitec Software has always been bad from my experience...

You repeat Yourself too much I heard you the first time no need to keep saying stuff over and over

For anyone wondering, my thrust master shifter does not work when plugged into the wheel unfortunately. I’d imagine other devices wouldn’t work either.