Logan Paul's NFT Scam in a Nutshell
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@Justrandomeperson
Жыл бұрын
no
@Thatcartoonguy224
Жыл бұрын
Ok just brought
@CoolLookinPea
Жыл бұрын
This is a *rare* shitcoin, buy it *now*
@Ghaust8546
Жыл бұрын
Shut up and take my money!
@suave605
Жыл бұрын
Jojo reference?
The fact that Logan hired criminals and then acts like it isn't his fault is honestly pretty funny and sad
@krns1695
Жыл бұрын
wheres funny?
@Anankin12
Жыл бұрын
Well if it was ONE criminal, it would have been credible. But it was the lot of them, that's so statistically unlikely it makes Dream's record look plausibile
@B-l-a-z-z-e-R
Жыл бұрын
No, it's pathetic and stupid. Just like him and his fanbase.
@no3ironman11100
Жыл бұрын
Not hiring a criminal, but all of them.
@nojustno5679
Жыл бұрын
I don think he knew they where criminals
I like how everyone said “he changed” when really he never did. He was just quietly planning something stupid the whole time
@taxrate
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.. i knew he was plotting shit before and while everybody was saying “wow he’s maturing!!”
@filipemartinho1753
Жыл бұрын
After so long, and having him not do any crazy shit I started thinking "Hey, maybe he DID change. Hard to forgive someone who films corpses of people who commited suicide but hey, maybe he's learned" and then BOOM! Some people never truly change
@zestytriss5282
Жыл бұрын
Being mature doesn't exist
@charlieharris4364
Жыл бұрын
@@zestytriss5282 man what you on about
@benjaminedgehouse
Жыл бұрын
That would imply he has the mental capacity for thought.
Logan is a good example of how rules don't apply if you are rich and you can repeatedly offend and never really suffer for it
@DeezNuggz
Жыл бұрын
rules for thee but not for me, when are we going to start gathering the pitch forks and torches?
@Gildorify
Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong my dude.
@PatrickWilliams-ts4le
Жыл бұрын
He is also a perfect example of why people shouldn't get blanketed second chances.
@shuaibsaleem569
Жыл бұрын
I personally blame the fans. They keep him relevant and buy his scams. Ah well😂😂😂
@jokuvaan5175
Жыл бұрын
Business elited don't fall for scam like this. Mostly only poor and middle class do. So that's why the US justice system isn't really made to care about frauds like this.
5 months later after lying about the refunds, and suddenly this video has become relevant in my mind again lmao
You forgot the "YOU USED TO BE OBJECTIVE BUT NOW YOU ARE FRAUD AND YOUR REPUTATION WILL NEVER RECOVER" to the person who pointed out he was a scammer who scammed after hiring scammers to scam people.
@ArDeeMee
Жыл бұрын
Wahwah you should have talked to meeee! * Ignores all contact attempts. * Mutahar‘s additional teardown was glorious! (SomeOrdinaryGamers btw)
@cheese1627
Жыл бұрын
Cheese
@TheBirdMan9142
Жыл бұрын
Cheese
@thevenerabledoubleu1771
Жыл бұрын
@The Pizza Man dude, you're pizza man not cheeze man
@josephhoward9631
Жыл бұрын
@@ArDeeMee He threatened to sue for libel/slander, but he'd have to open himself up for discovery to do that, so that's not going to happen.
His entire career is based off of severe lapses in judgment
@SoggySlopster
Жыл бұрын
Fr he’s popular for being a failure at everything
@walrusArmageddon
Жыл бұрын
He's like that timothy dexter guy, who just kept screwing up but somehow still made millions back in the 1800's
@ASlutty9SUnit
Жыл бұрын
What do you think his line about making a, "severe and CONTINOUS lapse in his judgement" was about lol He just can't STOP lapsing! He's a lapse machine, I tell ya!
@TaisonSphereNo.4
Жыл бұрын
@@ASlutty9SUnit I JUST started watching the nier anime wtf?!?
@Barwasser
Жыл бұрын
...severe lapses in judgment of the people watching him. He is doing fine.
Logan: Meet my business partners! Meanwhile The Business partners: Lex Luthor and Emperor Palpatine
@kriss4882
Жыл бұрын
Usually lex and palpatine only fuck with thier enemies and not scam thier followers
@loudwhispre9406
Жыл бұрын
@@kriss4882 palpatine was definitely going to replace vader with luke if luke turned to the dark side
@TheNerd4565
Жыл бұрын
@@loudwhispre9406 hell, he fuckin replaced vader with that guy from Star Wars unlesshed
@loudwhispre9406
Жыл бұрын
@Otávio Silva de Almeida No, Force Unleashed was about Vader's secret apprentice, who Palpatine knew nothing about. The whole plot is about Palpatine finding out, ordering Vader to kill his secret apprentice so they can't tag team Palpatine and overthrow him, and the apprentice trying to kill Vader for abandoning him.
@TheNerd4565
Жыл бұрын
@@loudwhispre9406 did you played the first one?
I actually worked on a project for Logan Paul back in 2018. He was trying to launch a fitness apparel line, and he contracted my company to come up with the designs and do the print work. We regularly sent him proofs to sign off on and they'd sit in his inbox for weeks. Extremely poor communication with him as he'd never return calls or messages. He eventually dropped us for "breach of contract" because we basically didn't just do everything for him and send him a final product that he could put on a storefront. That child wants to do anything but work.
@EspyMelly
Жыл бұрын
Hey it's the exact mentality of cryptobros!
@bullinapeamurica5940
Жыл бұрын
I found a new group of people to unconditionally hate that aren't furries or weebs. They are now logangs.
@davidebic
Жыл бұрын
@@bullinapeamurica5940 as a weeb I feel offended by this
@arandomstar2123
Жыл бұрын
@@bullinapeamurica5940 as a furr- no im not but yeah didnt even know logan before this and im happy i didnt lol
@gustavohermandio1440
Жыл бұрын
maybe you should have upheld your side of the bargain ? are you seriously trying to get sympathy after NOT respecting your contract ? XD of course the guy wants everything done for him, we all want that.
Logan was trying to use the "I got scammed before I could scam my fans so it wasn't a real scam" defense. Thing is buddy, people still go to jail for attempting crimes. We don't give attempted murderers, larconists and assulters a free pass just because they were to stupid to crime successfully. I think the adult in the room told Logan that since he took down his response video and backed off legal threats to CZ.
@Megoover
Жыл бұрын
Lol he really did?
@kjl4983
Жыл бұрын
Oh my god he took the video down thank you for bringing this to my attention. What’d he say about CZ?
@paul-ye3ut
Жыл бұрын
@@kjl4983 because he called Logans crypto a scam he said he'd sue him for defefamation
@Chaosqueenngami
Жыл бұрын
@KJL In the 7 minute response video he threatened to sue Coffee for defamation and in the podcast said he was definitely going to sue. Then today he took down his response video and issued an apology to CZ. The whiplash is so severe I'm surprised he didn't break his neck.
@brandonlyon730
Жыл бұрын
Sideshow Bob: “Attempted murder! I mean really what is that? Do they give noble prizes for attempted chemistry do they?”
2018 : *_*Films a dead guy in a forest*_* 2022 : *_*Starts a Crypto Scam with Criminals*_* He really did mature, didn't he ?
@unusualusername8847
Жыл бұрын
Can't forget the 2020 thing where he threw a party specifically to disobey quarantine order and when police showed up, they found illegal drugs in his home.
@dwarf9938
Жыл бұрын
@@unusualusername8847 yea, sounds like exactly the kind of people who would join the NFT/crypto thing lmao
@az8557
Жыл бұрын
I wonder what he'll do for the next World Cup
@jjgarcia156
Жыл бұрын
@@unusualusername8847 and did he get jail time? NOPE
@sandwichsilverflavour5658
Жыл бұрын
Hey clarify me something, he got scammed by the scammers he hired? XD
Bro literally planned a crime with a bunch of known criminals, and when his criminal buddies decide to backstab him and take all the money for themselves, he says "They took all the money, I got nothing from the crime, so therefore i'm innocent!"
“Give me your money” “Ok” “Goodbye”
@darkcognitive
Жыл бұрын
lol, in a nutshell 🤣
The cut off right in the middle of the 'apology' is the cherry on top for me
You forgot the part where he calls guy who reports on it all a manipulative scammer themselves.
@JamesQMurphy
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was looking for Coffeezilla!
@austin33785
Жыл бұрын
Every dark triad trick in the book.
Fun Fact: this video will probably be worth more than an actual NFT
@anubis9151
Жыл бұрын
for society yes, for the scammers selling the NFT, no
Logan after working with actual criminals on a project and turns out they stole all the money and dipped: 😮
@RZ-yk2se
Жыл бұрын
Not surprised he was on the BLM riots last year
@floppa_gamer1111
Жыл бұрын
@Maslennikov bot
@discord440
Жыл бұрын
@@floppa_gamer1111 report it
@dendrien
Жыл бұрын
Well, Logan gained about 40million on it alone. That’s why it is called a scam and not a failed opportunity
@floppa_gamer1111
Жыл бұрын
@@discord440 thanks
What's more sad is that people think he got scammed, but that was probably the whole plan this entire time. He pockets tons of money from the NFT guys, and then they "disappear".
@dendrien
Жыл бұрын
Yes 40 million doesn’t simply “ disappear “
@manuelsputnik
Жыл бұрын
That's possible, but it's just speculation. It's best to adhere to what we actually know, which is that Logan made a scam but didn't get to profit himself.
@Otzkar
Жыл бұрын
Nah I think you're reading too much between the lines. Have you watched all 3 of coffeezillas videos? There's enough terrible stuff going around that you don't have to prescribe some 500iq double cross scam to him. Logan paul isn't that smart..
@CountingStars333
Жыл бұрын
@@manuelsputnik wrong. He wanted to make 140. He made 40. Stop being a Paulet.
@vocassen
Жыл бұрын
@@Otzkar They literally had guidelines amongst them to only slowly siphon money away. They planned to make tons of money of their fans, just not in a rug-pull kinda way, but in a slow, pyramid-scheme kinda way. Still a scam.
The saddest part is when all of this blows over, he's still gonna have millions of loyal subscribers.
The worst part is that one of the criminals he hired already scammed him in the past.
Logan declared war on Coffee and lost it all by himself
@utubrGaming
Жыл бұрын
Without coffee even making a move
This video is a better idea then 90% of Logans ideas
@larsthememelord3383
Жыл бұрын
that implies he had good ideas
@CyberCripX
Жыл бұрын
* 100%
@dontage815
Жыл бұрын
90? C'mon this is at least better than 99.999999999999% you give him to much credit
@postboy2242
Жыл бұрын
@@larsthememelord3383 nah, he had one good idea. Getting with KSI made people trust him more.
@gamechip06
Жыл бұрын
Your not giving toons enough credit to suggest 10% of Logan's ideas are equal to or better.
Logan emphasizing in his response that Coffezilla glossed over/hid the fact that the guy he himself hired was a criminal was comedy gold. Mans saw the hole he dug himself into and grabbed another shovel to go deeper
This is the only thing I’ve seen detailing the drama and I think I genuinely understand in less than 2 minutes. Thank you.
@alessandrolamera8857
Жыл бұрын
If I think that an Italian streamer did probably the golden standard of project and it’s way smaller than I’m makes me wanna puke. And before you ask the Italian streamer did the oldest trick in the book. Contacted a dozen artists and made a set of more than a hundred different collectable cards about him, his friends, his colleagues, his family and his lore and KZread/twitch italy lore. He produced them and sold them in FISICAL booster boxes. Made channels for people to exchange cards for them to finish the collection and corrected a printing problem and apologized. Best of all the rarest cards cost 3€ each and that is the cap price if you want to buy singles.
You forgot the part where he threatens to sue anyone who tells the truth lol
I knew nothing about this so I’m just watching these in a nutshell videos to find out.
@CrownePri
Жыл бұрын
this is pretty accurate lol
@genericname2747
Жыл бұрын
Same
@ArDeeMee
Жыл бұрын
Watch Coffeezilla‘s series on Logan‘s Cryptozoo scam. SomeOrdinaryGamers took apart Logan‘s „response“.
@rushed_aura1458
Жыл бұрын
@@ArDeeMee actually I am watching one of the videos now.
@ArDeeMee
Жыл бұрын
@@rushed_aura1458 Good to hear. Coffee is very educational when it comes to con artists and crypto scams. It‘s why I‘ve been namedropping him quite a lot recently, whenever people go „how/why?“.
Im glad some of us haven't forgotten that he was never punished in any capacity for what he did in Japan.
@CrocodileWhispers
Жыл бұрын
can we be real though... like what exactly does a "punishment" for THAT PARTICULAR ordeal look like? Like what's your idea of a just punishment? I'm not taking a side but idk. This crypto stuff however… is very clear cut active participation in ripping off your fans... repeatedly. Logan Paul/Jake Paul both ran these pump and dumps. Both need to be held accountable and put in prison.
@trainman5675
Жыл бұрын
Problem is...what crime was committed...he made a insensitive video in 2018.
Man, people really believed he'd be refunding 1.8 mil
The funny thing is someone made an actual Cryptozoo game and its way better than the low effort photoshop one
@Little1Cave
Жыл бұрын
Where do I find it? I’d love to check it out. Lol
@fr0ck360
Жыл бұрын
@@Little1Cave just search Cryptozoo game from a channel named Yipy
@Haaalp
Жыл бұрын
It's still shit though, being crypto anything.
@Little1Cave
Жыл бұрын
@@Haaalp The idea of it being based on cryptocurrency isn’t a part of it (thankfully!) though it seems like there’s another issue regarding it, the whole AI art thing.
@spicynoodles2742
Жыл бұрын
@@Little1Cave I mean, the IA art looks pretty bad, but it still better than the low effort photo manipulation Logan had lol
To be fair, it's NFT we are talking about. I couldn't even shed a single tear of sympathy for anyone who got fooled by this. I just hope they learned a lesson.
@suvtropics
Жыл бұрын
These people trusted Logan Paul. Like what?
@techgoggles
Жыл бұрын
So the internet told young people that you can make millions of nfts and crypto, and when they invest their money into it you blame the victims. Logan paul fans are disgusting
@Crimsontalor
Жыл бұрын
like oh no the morally bankrupt rich fraudster isn't going to fuck me he's too rich to care about my small amount of money several thousand times over c:
@clementtoh2393
Жыл бұрын
@suvtropics children who has their parents credit card?
@ArcaellusV427
Жыл бұрын
Yea thats why I kinda don't feel bad for them but also, I don't know why Logan hired those people in the first place. Plus he was planning to scam people anyways. This man's stupidity is beyond human comprehension
He worked years to regain his reputation only to shoot himself in the foot again. I believe everyone deserves redemption, but my god, that’s going to take a whole decade for him
I genuinely don’t understand how Circle makes their faces move like that. It seems like magic.
@wanderingtyphlosion7332
Жыл бұрын
In his older vids, I'm pretty sure he had a camera and moved them with a stylus on a tablet in a way where it wasn't obscured, but still a little visible. Somewhere down the line, he got actual recording software so he didn't have to continue doing that, I think
@tacobanana6538
Жыл бұрын
@@wanderingtyphlosion7332 I mean from the sharp movements in each turn that it’s pretty obvious that he still uses the stylus cursor for the animation in the faces.
@tsuki-3699
Жыл бұрын
pretty sure he just has a tablet where he draws and a monitor that showcases the art. And the faces moving are a specific tool you can use lmao.
@tsuki-3699
Жыл бұрын
Another explanation for the moving faces could simply be another layer he’s using his drawing pen to move over the body figure.
This man animates what's in everyones head
I don’t know how people forgave him for his Forrest incident but now he’s scamming his own fans
@nedflanders4158
Жыл бұрын
100% he should have been banned on all platforms for life after the forest incident.
@PlebNC
Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's like bad grammar in spam emails. It filters out all the smart people so only the genuinely stupid people fall for it.
@italianspiderman5012
Жыл бұрын
Well, he didn’t set the body on fire, so he’s not a bad guy really, probably.
@nedflanders4158
Жыл бұрын
@Italian Spiderman yeh NAH, filming a dead body and putting it on KZread is against TOS. Never mind the utter disregard for families of people that kill themselves in that forest, nor the absolute shit he pulled everywhere else causing problems in a country he isn't a citizen of.
@unusualusername8847
Жыл бұрын
Children are notourious for having low empathy.
Seeing this whole thing go down reminds me how, when I casually mentioned to an ex-friend that I don’t like Logan, they literally chastised and scoffed at me, because ‘what has he done?” Glad I cut contact.
It's like that line in Disney "People never really change" and Logan's ego is just as big since the Japan incident but now he can fall back on how good he is this time as an excuse
You know it’s safe when he hires ne’er-do-wells
Did watch the coffeezilla episodes. I just wonder how are paul brothers still being able to do anything after everything they have done to their fans.
@Fartucus
Жыл бұрын
Their fans are small children that live vicariously through them so they get over it pretty quickly.
@missspectra
Жыл бұрын
Because they're rich, and once you're rich, it's hard to become poor again because our capitalistic society is designed to reward you for having more money while punishing you for having less.
@Raptor747
Жыл бұрын
Simple: cryptocurrency is only now starting to get taken seriously as a vehicle for massive crimes (crimes which are already on the books--wire fraud, ponzi schemes, securities fraud, false advertising, and more), and Logan Paul is also rich and thus able to easily afford enough of a legal defense to make going after him a pain in the neck for prosecutors.
@mamawau
Жыл бұрын
@@Raptor747 three crypto billionaires where found dead in a very short amount of time, so we can only hope.
@genericname2747
Жыл бұрын
Fame and money
“It wasn’t me, it was the criminals I employed”
When even the animation channel go after you, something is DEFINITELY wrong.
Boy. I was completely unaware of this whole thing until your video right now. I'm glad I have left most of social media at this point. 🤣
This is a more honest response then the actual response
To whoever lost their money on this NFT: you wholeheartedly deserved it.
@RakaGames
Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Gullible kids acting like childr- wait.
@danielbatista8760
Жыл бұрын
@@RakaGames Funny enough some adult fell for it. I can't blame children but the adult gets no sympathy from me
@RakaGames
Жыл бұрын
@@danielbatista8760 That one I'm completely with you on :)
@MDLuffy1234YT
Жыл бұрын
@@danielbatista8760there was this one guy named Josh who admitted to spending 500k AUD on it who appeared on Coffee's video without blurring his face or masking his voice. That guy should be the stereotypical face for NFTbros like that one short, red haired white lady with glasses is for feminists (we all know the one).
I love how he simply move the hole face to the sides and in my mind it looks like the character is looking to the side...
Watch out! He's gonna sue everybody with his victim evidence while zooming to the courtroom from a hot tub. Propably also making a video at the same time.
as someone who was not caught up by this controversy. this was really informative and funny. good job
He made a severe and continuous lapse in his judgement. And he doesn’t expect to be forgiven.
Truly, there's no honor among thieves.
Love that he didn't admit any wrong doing or take any responsibility until it was literally the last option
Lmao I love how you highlighted the facial features of each of these scumbags, really recognizable.
One year later and this has aged like fine Wine
This is how i like videos... no blabla at the beginning, no blabla at the end... nice bro
You basically did a news team's job in 90 seconds. Doing the Lord's work.
some empty prime bottles wouldve been icing on the cake - banger video mr toons
@mamawau
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget his PRIME phone he was holding into the camera constantly.
Thanks for making this short vid. A minute and 25 secs was about all the time I wanted to spend looking into this whole this. When I saw “Logan Paul” and “drama” I just figured same old same old and didn’t look any further into it.
Holy shit! I remember watching one of your videos a long time ago and I've been trying to find your channel again! I'm so happy!
I Wasn't expecting this. But BOY am I glad to see it.
Not sure how but he is always so accurate with his videos. It’s like watching a South Park short
The fact how he doesn't know that background checking exists and just goes ahead and blames his legal team
I love that he tried to say Coffeezilla "aimed to assassinate his character." My brother in Christ, your entire platform was built on being the absolute worst you can be
CircleToons is how I keep up with news about NFTs
With all his schemes I wonder how many jaw breakers he has bought
@envoyoftherealm
Жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
I didn't expect you to make a video on this but I love it lmao
Circletoons NEVER MISSES. Seriously man your skits make my day😂
His Apology video made back the money while saying "I don't know how to recover from this". => EPIC
Fun Fact: Cryptocurrencies and NFTs in general are a scam.
@mcnuggetsimpson5940
Жыл бұрын
@Unknown550 and you say this because of a lack of actual profit.
@Wofulrumble4893
Жыл бұрын
@Unknown550 it's more that unregulated currency and human greed will ruin it. Bitcoin and web 3.0 still haven't established themselves in a utilizing way outside sending money where its hard to send money. If it can find a legitimate utility, it'll be mocked less and until then it's crypto jokes 🤑
@snorlaxgod6946
Жыл бұрын
Nice ratio
@mcnuggetsimpson5940
Жыл бұрын
@Unknown550 the only people defending crypto are the ones who dumped cash into it and are praying that the numbers stop going down. It's a scam, like the MLM scams and pyramid schemes facebook moms keep falling for.
@techgoggles
Жыл бұрын
@Unknown550 what crypto isnt a scam?
I have never heard of that guy since the boxing thing, and today, I see two different videos about some NFT Scam in my sub box.
The most realistic part of the video is that after getting screwed over before he could screw over other people, he plays victim. And I though his brother was more pathetic.
On top of that he made a energy drink company which went under the radar for everyone, except for big grocery stores and drink reviewers
@Lichen8404
Жыл бұрын
Wait which one?? PRIME???
@markelbro5130
Жыл бұрын
@@Lichen8404 yep. DAT SHIT
It’s still crazy wwe thought it was a good idea to hire him
@BabysitterSky
Жыл бұрын
Devil's advocate: he is surprisingly good at wrestling.
@demolisherinfinite8606
Жыл бұрын
@@BabysitterSky Yeah that’s how his greed always wins out when he’s wrestling with the moral implications of being a shitbag human being
@BabysitterSky
Жыл бұрын
@@demolisherinfinite8606 Witty.
@deltaknight2764
Жыл бұрын
@@BabysitterSky He'd BETTER be a Heel. I could not ever imagine this dude as a Face.
@BabysitterSky
Жыл бұрын
@@deltaknight2764 His first match was as a heel then the next two they tried as face, crowd never really went for it though.
This is a very continuous lapse in judgement
I have no idea how you turned up in my suggested things to see but I'd like to thank our KZread overlords for bringing this to me! LOL
Love your content and this explains his scam so well lol
The fact Logan still hasn’t fired his manager is crazy
I love Circletoons Logan adaptation, the drawing, voice, and lines are all funny
Right on the money with this one 😂😂😂 great video
The funniest part was him whining about how all the crooks and scam artists he hired were just in it for the money, rather than the love of making a "game" where you trade eggs that contain stock photos of animals, some of which have been badly merged. No one makes NFT games for any reason other than money. Hell no one PLAYS NFT games for any reason other than making money. The entire NFT gaming ecosystem is built around greed, grinding, and scams not having fun or doing what you love.
This video is both hilarious and truthful
Thank you. Was curious but didn't want to spend hours finding out what happened.
Just majestic, thanks for this beautiful piece of art.
This version of Logan feels more genuine with his apology than his real life counterpart
Logan was so sad that he didnt even give circle the honor of being sponsored by the letter L
The gift i never asked for buy desperately needed to start the day well done 👏
I don’t ever watch your content but I’m watching the video all the way through leaving a like and commenting to signal boost this because I’m tired of this country letting rich people scam away with no consequences
I bet he feels like he's in a real dark place right now.
when circletoons makes a video about the current yt clusterfuck that's how you know shit's gotten real
Great summary!
great video as always
yes!!!! the video we needed but didnt know we wanted
How about just "Every NFT scam in a nutshell."
I feel like there has been a severe and continuous lapse in someone's judgement YET AGAIN
One of the guys logan Paul hired was the one that sold him a fake box of pokemon cards prior to this AND HE STILL CHOSE TO WORK W HIM 🤣🤣🤣
From filling dead bodies to scamming people. Some character development.
@FTW1230
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“Filling dead bodies” we uhhh… adding necrophillia to the list
@ozwellespencer955
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@@FTW1230 lmfao
I never understand when so many people say they’re fans of him. SO MANT KZreadRS AS WELL. It’s ridiculous, he clearly hasn’t changed and never will.
The ending had me in suspense! 😂🤣💯😎
I stand and slow clap your efforts, thank you for the shorten truth.
don’t know how you found footage of his first take of the ‘response’!
back here cuz he's still playing victim lmaoo
That group chat about preselling only for each other or close friends and family and not dumping all at once to keep value up is pretty damning
I've made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement.