With thanks to Flex of United View (kzread.info/dron/QWkxGgZFv3VcrwqwIIGFgA.html) and Paul Machin of The Redmen TV (kzread.info)

@alazartsegaye6096

2 жыл бұрын

Jeeezz liverpool fans are the most deluded

@shogun0810

2 жыл бұрын

@@alazartsegaye6096 coming from the fan base who think scholes is the best of all time but not once did the fans or players vote for him as their player of the year. Gerrard has more personal accolades and a better goals and assists per mins record too. When I think UTD fans, Palpable delusion comes to mind.

@alazartsegaye6096

2 жыл бұрын

@@shogun0810 im not even a man u fan

@shogun0810

2 жыл бұрын

@@alazartsegaye6096 oh just bias... gotcha 👍

@Rybo4

2 жыл бұрын

@@shogun0810 they live in this weird delusional world where Scholes was as technically gifted as Iniesta when really he was a really good number 10 who became a decent holding play maker. That's it lol. Gerrard was a generational talent who dragged shit teams to trophies.

These episodes are actually watchable and entertaining when Ty isnt in them.

@pleasestoptalking6245

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@conorkirkman8576

2 жыл бұрын

Who is TY?

@matheusdutra6845

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed TY is such a man child 🤣🤣

@pleasestoptalking6245

2 жыл бұрын

@@conorkirkman8576 Good lord mate

@shubhkaransingh7342

2 жыл бұрын

Please never get Ty again on this, those episodes are unbearable

This was a good one. Rational and balanced discussion, not baseless claims coming from pure tribalism.

@jakelamont8610

2 жыл бұрын

Scholes being awful isn’t a baseless claim 😂😂

@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the liverpool fan said scholes was shit like 2 seconds into the video which is one of the most moronically tribalistic and cretinous utterances i've ever heard

@monegm8001

2 жыл бұрын

Ty from aftv fuming rn

@tofuteh2348

2 жыл бұрын

@@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371 if that shocked you then youll not want to hear what liverpool and utd fans say to each other on a night out

@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371

2 жыл бұрын

@@tofuteh2348 where did i say i was surprised? Just disagreed with the OP's comment is all.

The way that “Filmed before Man Utd v Athletico Madrid” just casually slipped onto the screen was just majestic

@DanDAlittleMan

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@blitzblix9455

2 жыл бұрын

timestamp?

@murdotch2484

Жыл бұрын

@@blitzblix9455 17:30

@hayfordsarfo1646

11 ай бұрын

🤣

This was the best episode yet. Both guys heard eachother out and had a laugh while bring up good points.

Finally, two people who aren't at each other's throats.

"We've got Ralf now. He's set us up tactically to not get beaten 5-0." Well, he was right. He set them up to get beaten 4-0.

@TheWalkingDeadFanBoy5321

2 жыл бұрын

*baby steps* …

@robbiebrown7177

2 жыл бұрын

They got tactically battered by Brighton

@TheWalkingDeadFanBoy5321

2 жыл бұрын

@@robbiebrown7177 yeh but not 5-0😂

@alibarznji2000

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@guilhermevieira6010

Жыл бұрын

it was man utd B team

This honestly might be the most likeable and calm football fan debate video yet.

@ricardot3015

2 жыл бұрын

There’s another one from a Chelsea and Liverpool fan that was also really good

@Hi5GhostMUFC

2 жыл бұрын

Because it's between 2 of England's actual big clubs. 😎

Feel sorry for Flex. No one can win a debate Paul or Chris from Redmen.

@mattyreynolds4243

2 жыл бұрын

@@englishjames007 huh?

@curtisfawcett

2 жыл бұрын

@@englishjames007 top class mate, kids must be proud

@thomasjames456

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao shut up your bro begins by saying Scholes was shit.

@pacman7687

2 жыл бұрын

They’re deluded and v biased...

@tomowen9412

2 жыл бұрын

@@englishjames007 what a lovely bloke you must be

This is the most enjoyable conversation between a Liverpool and a United fan.

@davereeves454

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! A straight forward mature chat

Saying he‘d rather have Pogba than Henderson shows they absolutely learned nothing! What they need is someone like Hendo

@fadhilraihan7966

2 жыл бұрын

We got mctominay who is similar to Henderson they both trash

@yeahyeah9869

2 жыл бұрын

One of them has won a World Cup

@seaghdhking9122

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeahyeah9869 and he has Kante to thank for that

@adamrawsthorne5341

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeahyeah9869 and traore won a CL with Liverpool. Doesn’t mean anything

@yeahyeah9869

2 жыл бұрын

@@seaghdhking9122 No. Pogba was one of the best players for France

Most logical and calm discussion I’ve seen here to date

@dt5beats892

2 жыл бұрын

Saying Salah will have a better legacy than Ronaldo is not logical 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@notimefordat1819

2 жыл бұрын

@@dt5beats892 here we go another die hard united fan unable to see things from a bigger perspective.

@dt5beats892

2 жыл бұрын

@@notimefordat1819 answer me seriously. Do you genuinely think Salah at any point in his liverpool career has been close to what Ronaldo was like in 06/07, 07/08 and 08/09?

@tailored4extra817

2 жыл бұрын

@@dt5beats892 far better statistically and trophies are a team effort

@dt5beats892

2 жыл бұрын

@@tailored4extra817 Salah looks like Aaron Lennon compared to Ronaldo, behave.

The statement of rather having pogba than Henderson in United current state shows the problem with United is top to bottom years of cowboy management has filtered into the fans

@librarygary1618

2 жыл бұрын

I've always argued that Henderson is 10 times the player Pogba is because although he isn't on the same level technically as Pogba he makes up for it by blowing him out of the water in literally every other metric needed to be a professional footballer, and I say that as someone who actually likes Pogba as well lol

@obriendenis3965

2 жыл бұрын

United needs a Hendo in that team but they mostly dont rate him so it's fine. That's why their captain is you know who

@RIOMAN-

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a United fan and I'd take Henderson any day of the week, there's nothing more pleasing to watch as a football fan than someone willing to run their guts out for the badge, and we haven't had that for fucking years

@amma9518

2 жыл бұрын

POGBA IS BETTER THAN HENDERSP

@danielknight6958

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to have a Henderson type of player in the man united team than I would pogba

Two different types of player. Scholes was a tactician and Gerrard was a general. It's not really fair to compare the two as they were both the best at different styles of play. If I was to argue for Gerrard I'd say that Scholes had one of the best man utd teams around him when Gerrard dragged Liverpool through some hard times and kept us competitive

@NotMe-el3hg

2 жыл бұрын

The thing about Gerrard you could say tho was did he stand out in a lesser team where everything went through him. If he went to a team with similar level players, the likelihood is he isn’t as much a game changer

@aidanjohnburke7629

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine steven gerrard in that manchester united team..that should really settle the debate..man utd fans wont want to hear that..

@SAB-my5nr

2 жыл бұрын

@@aidanjohnburke7629 nah, he would not be an upgrade to the Man Utd team that's why Man U wasn't interested in signing him. Now let's flip your qn around and ask, imagine if Scholes was in Liverpool.

@violentnewworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotMe-el3hg I don't think Gerrard would have slotted into Scholes role so again it's hard to compare. I think Gerrard would have had more freedom and less pressure if he played at utd. If Scholes played at Liverpool he would have had less protection, I'm not sure he would have had as big an influence as Gerrard.

@Martin-bf3by

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up Barry, Scholes was wank and Milners closer to overtaking Scholes than Scholes was as close to Gerrard or even lampard for 2nd

Really enjoyed this one, it's so refreshing to see two rival football fans having a rational debate about their teams. Plus I enjoy watching both Flex and Paul from the United Stand and Redmen TV, they're great representatives of their fanbases.

@KDanes

2 жыл бұрын

Wow you're wet.. it's actually disgusting

As a Liverpool fan, glad to see that Paul and Flex can have a bit of banter without getting nasty. Humility is largely missing from the modern world but I saw both yield to fair points.

Finally we get well represented by a United Fan, thank you Flex! Great discussion as well

Now this was a great video, two rational fans actually being able to speak and talk, actually putting reasonable arguments out for all the points, even the ones where they get a little trapped. Please get more people like these two.

Historically the biggest game in the prem is United vs Liverpool. Recently its by FAR city vs Liverpool, its always the match that impresses every time and its usually the title decider

Take scholes out of united they still would of won everything they won, take gerrard out of Liverpool and we probably wouldn’t have won a single thing in that era, carried Liverpool on his back for 15 years when he could have gone elsewhere and won everything, and for that he will always be above scholes

@jackendean5368

2 жыл бұрын

Take gerrard out of live and put someone in that isn’t a passion merchant they might have won the league

@mattyreynolds4243

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackendean5368 huh?

@AB-ec6ds

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackendean5368 waffle

@marekfalk5369

2 жыл бұрын

They only won one big title in 16 years, so doesnt mean much. Scholes was a much better footballer

@aaronmaguire9130

2 жыл бұрын

Not Scholes fault that the rest of Liverpool were muck

Gary Neville admitted he wanted Gerrard at United. Why would you want to bring Gerrard to a team that supposedly has the greatest prem midfielder? lol same for Mourinho wanting to bring Gerrard to Chelsea. Speaks volumes.

@worthalook4870

2 жыл бұрын

Same as all the world class players at Barca at the time and elsewhere who all said scholes was the best. All their quotes have been online since Scholes retired, xavi, zidane, David’s and many others all say scholes. I agree

@seaghdhking9122

2 жыл бұрын

@@worthalook4870 them same players have said the same thing about Gerrard lol quotes are only opinions in that moment

@craigglassford8533

2 жыл бұрын

Why not have both?

@DB-cx4gm

2 жыл бұрын

@@worthalook4870 Scholes didn’t get a SINGLE Ballon D’Or vote in his entire career. Just think about it. A fellow professional while he played NEVER rated him as elite. Different story for Gerrard though.

@bri1085

2 жыл бұрын

Ferguson called Gerrard the most influential midfielder in England with Scholes in his team

Flex: “We will qualify for the CL by winning it this season” 🤣🤣🤣

@seongthongchuah8356

2 жыл бұрын

That's why they put the "recorded before Atletico game"😂 because they want to put that clip in

For some reason " but Gerard played with Aquilani" had me dead haha

Loved this. Both lads presented their arguments well and listened when the other made their point.

Look Scholes was one of my fav midfielders, but as an honest United fan, Gerrard was insane

@guydutoit61

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who says Gerrard wasn’t absolutely brilliant is deluded or doesn’t know football.

@markmason6621

2 жыл бұрын

Bro we don’t claim you. Honest DELUDED United fan.

@owenheath2218

2 жыл бұрын

@@markmason6621 you don’t claim him for saying he was insane…are you 12??

@isakpetterssonmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Yep agreed

@redlavish7027

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a united fan and as soon as Keane left, it would have been incredible if Gerrard had signed for us. We would have won a few more trophies than we already did. You can’t even compare Scholes and Gerrard, there completely different.

Best discussion we’ve had yet, proper debate and well made points, not just pure hatred for the other team

Gerrard was the complete midfielder. He was a leader and a captain.had a wide passing range.could head the ball.could tackle. Could score all type of goals and assist

@only_1David

2 жыл бұрын

Most complete don’t make you the best. It’s all about impact, longevity and success. This guy says Scholes was slow but he played at the highest level a lot longer than Gerrard. Also Xavi wasn’t complete but no one says Gerrard is better than him

@shaniapearcey

2 жыл бұрын

@@only_1David Gerrard played at highest level longer and had 100 odd England caps and fa cup medals,champions league and England captain id call that success..no bigger impact in games then Gerrard he'd win games on his own playing in a shit team

@ninjahattori6841

2 жыл бұрын

@@only_1David an another man u fan

@only_1David

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaniapearcey how when he left the prem in his 30’s and Scholes was 40 in the league

@shaniapearcey

2 жыл бұрын

@@only_1David 40?lol

Probably the best debate , conversation,and analysis between Manchester United and Liverpool dudes .No contradiction ,no argue just listening one another's word and then commenting .We want these type of things .

“Give Salah an empty contract so he can put what ever number he wants”……come on flex lol 😂. Y’all don’t learn at United 😂😂😂

When he referred back to Arsenals invincibles, that was the perfect timing for a clip of Ty going invincibles,invincibles ,invincibles, invincibles!!!!! 🤣

I love these videos especially when the two fans are as civil and accepting as they are in this video. However, the comment section within them is always such a clusterfuck and is the worst part of them

@101cheekie

2 жыл бұрын

Well said mate, 👏 fully agree!

@ewanbird4370

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed I hated Ty when he was on here

@EmiSalama9

2 жыл бұрын

Because football Twitter who are born in 2003 have the most horrific opinions known to man

This was amazing! Just a nice kick back and relax type of sports debate.

This is absolutely amazing. Loved the convo

17:33 I love how even the united fan didn't believe what he said himself 😂😂😂

Gerrard holds the record for most appearances in the PFA team of the year 8 for a reason. Not to mention included in the world XL 3 times.

Scholes is massively famous with English football fans. But as someone who isn’t English, I can say with a decent degree of confidence that Steven Gerrard is more highly regarded outside of England.

Just compare what both players won individually; Gerrard won so much more than Scholes it's scary really. I know United fans will point to Scholes trophies but that's more of an indictment of how good that United team was, not one particular player. I think the fact Scholes couldn't even make one of the 2 CM positions for England his own, above Gerrard or Lampard says it all really.

@safcjoe7062

2 жыл бұрын

Sven played him on the wing mate. Too scared to drop one of them.

@marekfalk5369

2 жыл бұрын

Scholes was on another level, ppl that know football would laugh at you for just comparing them

@_XPERIA_

2 жыл бұрын

@@safcjoe7062 Shows he was the most expendable out of the three

@_XPERIA_

2 жыл бұрын

@@marekfalk5369 then why didn't he win anywhere close to the individual awards as Gerrard or Lampard? People always talk about how highly he was regarded by his peers, yet didn't receive a single Ballon D'or vote from those peers in his entire career?

@safcjoe7062

2 жыл бұрын

@@_XPERIA_ your opinion but looking what he could do on the ball and his movement it was better than the other two.

Flex is such a genuine fan. As a Chelsea fan he almost gets my empathy for his team. I still hold Mata & Matic highly & believe Man United just wasted these 2 players by taking them off us. 2 quality players that are never used properly.

You can't argue with Paul he will run rings around you.

@nyc_chelsea3761

2 жыл бұрын

He was terrible idk what u mean… his opinions are super biased.

@kagisela9664

2 жыл бұрын

Run rings around him where? He said Matip was better than Varane which is obviously not true

@vikingfrog7204

2 жыл бұрын

@@kagisela9664 anyone with eyes knows this is true. Varane has been carried most of his career.

@MADFUTBALLERS14

2 жыл бұрын

@@User-ei7eo He named lots of attributes not just pace

@nyc_chelsea3761

2 жыл бұрын

@@kagisela9664 matip is definitely better than varane… for the past like 3 years. Matip has improved immensely, he even brings up the ball on his own on occasion.

Thanks for having me! Proper enjoyed that! Not sure about Pauls takes tho lol

@graz4792

2 жыл бұрын

Just like we used to hold onto the past Manu are now the same

Congrats to you both for a great debate!

Gerrard in those Utd teams wins everything and possibly more than Scholes did Scholes in those Liverpool teams wins nothing because he couldn’t carry them like Gerrard did

@simsnyandeni3828

2 жыл бұрын

What does this even mean wins more than Scholes? Scholes was there and did it. Better stats by far throughout his career. Retired, came back and carried an aging team to another title

@billyyeah7530

2 жыл бұрын

Slippy g 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@ant9925

2 жыл бұрын

Opinion of a child who didn't watch either when they were playing. Somehow you idiots have convinced yourselves that winning trophies is an argument against Scholes! 🤦‍♂️ it's one of the worst takes on football I've ever heard. Gerrard carried Liverpool did he? OK so Suarez, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano were all just average players were they? With Gerrard Liverpool were a cup team and would have been a cup team without him. They were carried to mediocrity. Scholes was a part of greatness.

@NotMe-el3hg

2 жыл бұрын

Showing a real lack of football knowledge there you have. Scholes was a far better player than Gerrard.

@sweetlad2926

2 жыл бұрын

Thierry Henry who was the main man at our biggest rivals at the time says when they played man utd they're first priority was to stop paul scholes, and that was in a team consisting of Keane, giggs, beckham, ronaldo, van nistlerooy e.t.c. that should tell you all you need to know

Everyone makes fun of Arsenal's 03/04 Invincibles but do they know how good those 20 Premier League teams were at that time? Today you only need to worry about Man City and Liverpool and that's it. I really wanna see Jordan Henderson or Rodri go up against just Patrick Vieira in midfield 🤣

@michaelblake1281

2 жыл бұрын

Not that good. Arsenal had 1 really good team to compete against and that was United. Now the money in the Premier League is crazy. Man City and Man United spending ridiculous money, Chelsea have been a powerhouse since mid 00s, Liverpool have improved massively and Tottenham are better than they were in the early 00s so there is more competition now than there was then. Not taking away from the achievement but there is more competition now.

@rhysadams1522

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelblake1281 so chelsea, united, liverpool and newcastle didnt exist then

Finally one of these videos I didn’t have to turn off. Two interesting people talking reasonably

You need to invite the boys from the stretford paddock channel for these! Love to see Stephen Howdson have a go. Love these videos keep them coming!!

Agree to disagree what a segment keep it coming ladbible🥳

You can’t beat Paul in these debates. He’s such a rational, balanced LFC fan

@SB-ou5yp

2 жыл бұрын

This wazzock said that Scholes is shit but he is rational and balanced?!

@danielknight6958

2 жыл бұрын

He ain't balanced he's deluded saying the Liverpool team is better than any man united team

@mattyreynolds4243

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielknight6958 it is

@jonbon6843

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattyreynolds4243 well it's not tho is it. The Man United from 2007 - 2009 was 100% better than any team Liverpool have ever had. In those 3 years Man United won the prem three times, won the CL once, got to the CL final once and the CL semi final once. No Liverpool side has been that dominant in the premier league era ever

@mattyreynolds4243

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonbon6843 literally never get more than 91 points. 😎

Big up Paul for mentioning that Marcus Rashford is an amazing human being ❤️🔥 I also agree he would fit Liverpool like a glove (if he didn’t have a career for man United) the guy is my age (23) and he’s done more for people in the uk than most government officials. Rashford has already secured a lifelong legacy in my eyes but doesn’t get talked about in a positive light enough 👏🏼👏🏼

Varane won 4 champion's league and won the world cup. I don't think anyone would take Matip over him outside Liverpool.

Ronaldo is so not a Jurgen Klopp player. Ronaldo is better than Firmino atm but Firmino is better for Liverpool’s system

@kaidenhall2718

2 жыл бұрын

Jota is better than firmino though

It's worth noting that despite Liverpool getting 97 & 99 pts, in those 2 seasons combined they lost 15 games in all competitions including SEVEN in the champions league. Lucky to have won a champions league with that record. Obviously ManUtd in the treble season only lost 3 PL games, zero defeats in both the FAcup & CL (with the hardest route any winner has ever had in FAcup & you can't get much harder CL route either, whilst also being top scorers by far in PL & CL). Followed by retaining the PL title with 91pts winning by 18pts, again top scorers by far in PL (97 goals). Followed by retaining the PL again in 2000/01 won that year at a canter as well. Could literally afford to only get 4 pts out of a possible 15 in the last 5 games and still win by double figures. Also the format of the CL that ManUtd won in 1998/99 was the hardest due to more actual "champions" and also only the group winners progress to the knockout stage and just 2 runners up from 6 group's. And then the format that ran from 1999/00 until 2002/03 had the most games because it had 2 group stages and yet in 99/00 ManUtd only reached QF (lost to eventual winners Real Madrid) but only lost 3 CL games out of 14. But you still accept that 3 CL defeats you weren't quite good enough. Liverpool lose 4 in 13 and win the trophy so I don't wanna hear them talk about being unlucky to lose title with 97pts plus Liverpool also wouldn't have made it through their group had the fixture scheduling been slightly different and their last game wasn't home vs the team they're competing with for 2nd which was a massive advantage both times in fact that they won this latest format of the CL was mainly due to having to beat a team last group game who they're competing with to scrape 2nd place at Anfield with the crowd etc...dragging them over the line. If they're away last they are eliminated both 2004/05 & 2018/19.

This was one of the best ones! Two decent lads

Scholesy is great, but he aint capable of carrying that LFC team in the early 2000s to a yearly top 4 finish. No way

@unclebens6031

2 жыл бұрын

He could’ve been like Grealish tho World class in average team when everything focused on him but a bit anonymous in world class teams

@hulk8384

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@lexdemerindol320

2 жыл бұрын

gerrard is scott mctominay but with better pr

@renegadepenguin9702

2 жыл бұрын

top 4 was minimum for that liverpool squad, who else were their competition? they were expected to finish behind united, arsenal every year with that spending and they did. stop praising mediocrity.

@markoliver7312

2 жыл бұрын

He was too busy winning leagues

Debate 101: "Once you've written something it's done." "Have you ever sang about SG falling over?"

I'm an Arsenal fan and I thoroughly enjoyed their debate. Respectful, logical, constructive and informative through out👍

This is a great palette cleanser from the other intense debates

19:58 that aged well 🤣🤣🤣

Honest take as a Liverpool fan. I used to like it when Scholes was playing because I felt we could get at him. Scholes was great at passing but like Pogba in the sense you needed legs around him. Think Scholes was more set for Spanish football. I preferred Scholes to play over Fletcher/Anderson at the time, obviously they aren't in the same league The better argument to compare is Alonso or Scholes. Like Mach said. Scholes wasn't really good at dribbling, heading, tackling or particularly fast. An Ferguson dropped him in big games and tried to get Veron in over him at one time,Gerrard on the other hand you have to be extremely biased to say Gerrard wasn't the complete player. Could do everything and he traded his love for Liverpool over playing for the likes of Real.

@samwize28

2 жыл бұрын

As a Utd fan, the way I try to get LFC fans to try to understand why Utd fans rate Scholes so high, is to ask them to imagine having an academy grown version of Thiago, who could score ALOT more goals, was less injury prone and had insane longevity, and who was brought out of retirement to fix a broken Utd midfield…. Completely agree on being suited to Spanish football. I think he’s technically better than Gerrard, and I enjoy watching him play a lot more. But Gerrard is the better midfielder due to his overall toolkit

@smoothcheeky8910

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think one was better than the other. I think they suited the teams they were in but would both have failed if they swapped places. Gerrard didn't have the ability to be the engine of uniteds success, Scholes couldn't be the solo star that saved Liverpool regularly

@oblitorix21

2 жыл бұрын

@@smoothcheeky8910 That's where you are wrong... Gerrard played every outfield position and could do the same job while scholes couldn't tackle to save his life. Passing ability alone is not enough to ignore every other quality Gerrard brings to the table and he could pass jus as well if not better. Manu fans jus bitter their scholes never got a single ballon dor vote for all his years coz he never had a stand out year, ever. Let that sink in.

@mav3298

2 жыл бұрын

@@oblitorix21 how many balon d'ors did Gerrard win? How about league titles? Shut up you melt.... Stevie G is overhyped English trash.... No one in Spain or Germany knows who he is.... Scholes has far more trophies... this is football not athletics. Being physical is great but being genius is priceless. Xavi and Iniesta rated Scholes do they know about slippy G? Roy Keane is a better captain and footballer then Gerrard could ever hope to be.

@smoothcheeky8910

2 жыл бұрын

@@oblitorix21 that united team would have declined with Gerrard. Gerrard was great, Scholes made good players great. That's the difference

Love it when the two people actually listen to each other

Sick video Fleck, you'd never get this level of rationality with the likes of Ty 😊 keep it real big man

nobody rated Scholes until he retired, shouldnt even be in the same category as Lampard or Gerrard

@amma9518

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@Matty1800

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshzulu8444 Nah, united fans rated him, nobody else did😂

@pleasestoptalking6245

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty1800 So the likes of Xavi, Zidane and Pirlo are just ordinary united fans

@amma9518

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasestoptalking6245 Scholes in my opinion is not tht good for some reason i think man united fans hype him up too much giggs waz better than Scholes in my opinion aswell

@amma9518

2 жыл бұрын

Gerrard and lampard are both better than Scholes I also think tht I don't get the hype around Scholes I think man united fans hype him up and overrated him because he played them for a long time something like tht

Lampard could shoot Scholes could pass Gerrard could do it all

@crimsoncityzen5282

2 жыл бұрын

But not as well

@craigglassford8533

2 жыл бұрын

Apart from win a premier league

@crimsoncityzen5282

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigglassford8533 harsh, he’s still a legend

@playboxcasual8319

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigglassford8533 he never won the league but still remains part of the conversation between the 3 of them, however he did win more individual awards

@Johndoe-gf7eu

2 жыл бұрын

@PlayBoxCasual individual sympathy awards from all the liverpool media cos they couldn’t handle the united domination back then. Individual awards tho, if you asked gerrard what would he rather have, Player of the year award, or a premier league medal, what do you think he would say?…. 🤣😭

Great debate. Such respect between the two.

These two really balanced each other out - fantastic episode this

I love Scholes but you gotta respect what Gerrard did with a lot less talent around him. Constantly pulling a rabbit out a hat to save Liverpool in massive games. He was incredible!!

@jamiewhite3149

2 жыл бұрын

liverpool fans love this argument until it’s about messi and ronaldo

@hughjazz6300

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamiewhite3149 man united fans hate this argument until it's about Messi and Ronaldo

@Johndoe-gf7eu

2 жыл бұрын

@Hugh Jazz doesn’t make sense

@hughjazz6300

2 жыл бұрын

@@Johndoe-gf7eu doesn't make sense

@Quan367

11 ай бұрын

And vice versa with United fans 😊

You was right! Ralf set you up so you didn’t lose 5-0.. you lost 4-0 😅

Both these guys were brilliant, heard each other’s points and not just randomly attacking each other reminds me of me and one of my best mates who supports United 😅😂we used to take the piss out of each other from school times but now grown up 😎😂 got mature conversations like this. Respect to United tho, I will always consider them a great club with a great city too (Manchester).

18:05 liverpool vs man utd was a game of high quality football even during the 90s and 00s when man utd was dominating the league and liverpool was not

From a city fan, he was. Gerrard probably best English player ever for me

@guilhermevieira6010

Жыл бұрын

He's not even the best english midfielder

I think what Scholes offered to United was so different to what Gerrard was to Liverpool that it’s hard to compare the two. Gerrard was the most well rounded midfielder the prem has seen, but Scholes offered a level of control to a game that Gerrard couldn’t. Inseparable and pretty hard to compare the two tbh

@NotMe-el3hg

2 жыл бұрын

Think scholes could link the game in all areas of the pitch, was world class in any spot in the midfield. Think Gerrard was a better player behind the striker than he was in midfield

12:30 one season and compare it to multiple seasons, the statement already broken if season to season, absolutely agree

Being an outsider… I would say that Fergie’s United is what solidified the club in the world as being the face of the premiership with Liverpool and Arsenal as close 2nd and Chelsea/City as 3/4 Being that Gerrard was the face of a successful Liverpool era… and a “better” 2 way player… he’ll probably have the tables tipped his way. Scholes however maybe as good of a playmaker as any… If Zidane is the benchmark of a total midfielder, it’s hard not to look at Gerrard as a close 2nd.. but Jesus were there so many who were exceptional in their prime.. kaka, ballack, rivaldo, iniesta, lamps, and my favourite of all Effenberg

I've ever hated another club like I hate United because you destroyed my childhood but because of that o respect them hugely. City doesn't come close on terms of Rivalry for me.

@samshyam5347

2 жыл бұрын

Once Klopp leaves, Liverpool fans will revert back to hating their life as usual

@vikingfrog7204

2 жыл бұрын

@@samshyam5347 Don't cry

@CoolDude-jp1kj

2 жыл бұрын

@@samshyam5347 Like Man Utd fans have for the last 10 years

@CoolDude-jp1kj

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't ruin mine lmao. Don't ever remember them being good

@Johndoe-gf7eu

2 жыл бұрын

@Cool Dude becos you’re like 12. Congrats you’ve seen your team win 1 prem and 1 CL 😂😭😭😭goin on like you’re prime man united uno 😂never seen 3 titles in a row

Paul and Chris are the GOATs of the independent football entertainment universe. They always end up wellying their opponents in these debates. Keep it up boys ❤️💪🏻

Xavi zidane and Ronaldinho have all said gerrard is the greatest English midfielder they’ve seen. And zidane wanted him to come into Madrid when he was going to leave since they was going to lose 2 playmakers in zidane and beckham.

As a French Liverpool Fan, MU doesn’t manage well Paul Pogba. He is so gifted, just watch how he plays for France and you will understand that MU never used him properly. He is a true leader.

@ulissesmendoza8752

2 жыл бұрын

He honestly is a game changer but man I kept moving him all different positions if they let him play how he wants he would be Man U's ozil

@johnoshea470

2 жыл бұрын

a true leader is someone that does'nt have to have a team built around him, so your wrong

@antoinem5823

2 жыл бұрын

Being a good leader has nothing to do with complementarity : - Kante / Pogba / Griezmann - Xavi / Iniesta / Busquets - Xabi Alonso / Gérard / Masherano

@antoinem5823

2 жыл бұрын

Paul has clear coaching instructions, good environment, love, confidence, and complementarity in his national team. He has been the most regular, and one of the vocal leader. This midfielder has everything. MU is a joke club since Ferguson depart.

as a Liverpool fan, both scholes and gerrard were phenomenal. i think gerrard just edges it imo

@cell2179

Жыл бұрын

Biased

HAAA i love this one. Both parties know the strength and basis for their arguments, and proceed to have civil discussions.

I died when it said filmed before the AM game 🤣🤣

Paul Scholes was underrated when he was playing but he's become so overrated ever since he retired.

@lordfarquard9902

2 жыл бұрын

Pure bollocks you talk.

@Rybo4

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on. You'd think he was fucking Iniesta lmao. He was very good. That's it

@lordfarquard9902

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rybo4 Now that’s an overrated player, Iniesta is well overhyped by this new hipster carhatt hat wearing youth.

@lordfarquard9902

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rybo4 You should have gone with Pirlo or Xavi but neither of them won 12 league titles. How many did that Steven Gerrard fella win? Hahahaha

@Rybo4

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordfarquard9902 Iniesta was excellent, what are you babbling hahah. Xavi and Pirlo too, good shout Yeah he didn't win any titles due to his surroundings, poor lad. Still twice the player of Scholes though

Gerrard was absolutely insane man, could do it all. Gerrard got into the pfa team of the year more than any other player and got into the uefa team of the year numerous times too , and came third in balon dor and was voted by his peers almost every year. Scholes never even got into the uefa team of the year nor got a single vote. Just my opinion. People always say everybody regarded Scholes as one of the best ever but none of his peers ever voted for him for anything

@CloudedIntentions

2 жыл бұрын

11X ENGLISH CHAMPION English Champion 2013 Manchester United 2011 Manchester United 2009 Manchester United 2008 Manchester United 2007 Manchester United 2003 Manchester United 2001 Manchester United 2000 Manchester United 1999 Manchester United 1997 Manchester United 1996 Manchester United 2X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER Champions League winner 07/08 Manchester United 98/99 Manchester United 4X ENGLISH FA CUP WINNER English FA Cup winner 2004 Manchester United 1999 Manchester United 1996 Manchester United 1994 Manchester United

@RyanCurtis27

2 жыл бұрын

@@CloudedIntentions that’s nice but we are comparing players not teams Curtis Jones has more trophies than Bruno Fernandes so Jones is better than Bruno if we are going by your logic

You do know Liverpool have won the European cup, league and league cup in the same season….not a bad treble imo…some seem to forget and always mention the 2001 treble

Thing with Scholes is, he was probably the only English player who had the technical ability to get into that that great Barca side managed by Pep. And that is the peak for any midfielder imo

@za3190

2 жыл бұрын

Who would he replace?😂

@farmansiddiqui9279

2 жыл бұрын

@@za3190 That’s not the point lol

@bri1085

2 жыл бұрын

That's just not true

@farmansiddiqui9279

2 жыл бұрын

@@bri1085 Pep and Xavi themselves said it before the 2011 CL final. Search it up

@CoolDude-jp1kj

2 жыл бұрын

@@farmansiddiqui9279 No they didn't lmao

They’ve use Paul Scholes in the Barcelona academy as an example of how a midfielder dictates the game, as stated by Leo Messi. I think we all know who’s the better midfielder.

@_XPERIA_

2 жыл бұрын

Messi is on record as describing Gerrard as the "best Engish product of his generation" so I guess you're right

@14ccr

2 жыл бұрын

What because he could pass a ball well lol? There's reason he was moved from his best position in the England set up to accommodate for Gerrard and Lampard. Gerrard was just a way better all round midfielder. Did most things better tbh, but you won't see past your rose tinted goggles.

@joshzulu8444

2 жыл бұрын

@@14ccr "he was moved from his best position in the England set up to accommodate for Gerrard and Lampard" Yeah and then England proceeded to win fuck all proving this to be a stupid tactial decision... Not sure what your point is here? We had a midfield of Gerrard and Lampard for the better part of 12 years, and we won nothing, not just that we did not even look close to winning anything.

@SASMADBRUV7

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshzulu8444 that's more of a manager issue. If they determined those two were better, the execution of that is different

@jachnoavhnvaon

2 жыл бұрын

Lol what a ridiculous invented story 😂

Gerrard literally was better than scholes and it’s not even close

I need to know where that green hoodies from

Hey Ladbible it would be really cool if you got sharky or any of the other podcast members from SDS to debate it would be really fun to watch

@lllll8449

2 жыл бұрын

Ye true

@jaredsamuels2550

2 жыл бұрын

not Shaun

@SQ96_

2 жыл бұрын

They don’t know anything about football

Love Paul. And that statement that Matip is the 2nd best CB is 100% correct.

@DS-dw3pz

11 ай бұрын

Yeah obviously loserpool fans take😂

"Who makes the best cup of tea?" Lol 😆 🤣 😂

Scholes was a magician so good infact that xavi and iniesta idolised him and modelled there game on him and they weren't the only 1's either I think that says it all really.

I’m a massive Liverpool fan but you can’t say Paul Scholes wasn’t good! Absolute class player

@franklingoodwin

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody said he wasn't good. Gerrard was just better

@neilcarter1504

2 жыл бұрын

Was obvs a joke

@shivaanchopra5965

2 жыл бұрын

@@franklingoodwin no he wasn’t lmao

@shivaanchopra5965

2 жыл бұрын

Scholes on a different level to slipps

@franklingoodwin

2 жыл бұрын

@@shivaanchopra5965 Definitely was. You probably never even watched both in their prime

Paul Scholes was a brilliant player coming from Liverpool fan

You can just only include premier league because playing away in Europe against juventus or inter Barca Bayern would affect your league form. It's crazy when a team losses in all cups and only needs to focuses on the league would get more points than a team fighting on all fronts

As a Liverpool fan since 1978, I like the way this guy makes our arguments. Walk on...and Zidane did say Gerrard by the way...

Joel matip has got to be one the greatest signings of all time. Got him on a free and he's been a Liverpool 6 years now. Liverpool finishing 2nd place in 2019 were 18 points better off than man uniteds 99 team. Thats 6 games 😬 Gerrard played with alonso, mascherano, dietmar hamann, raul morieles and this fella brings up cheyrou and aquialani 😂 I disagree with the rivalry part. I think in more modern times our biggest rival has been Chelsea and most recently its Man City. The 2 teams are just so good to watch and they both go for it. The Everton game is dead to me. They bare no relevance to me at all. We can draw with them and they think they've won. It's not a match when one of the teams starts with a handicap 😂

@yt.personal.identification

2 жыл бұрын

Matip and Sami...2 great signings to become legendary.

@CloudedIntentions

2 жыл бұрын

18 points, yeah that happens when you only focus on one cup a season. United nearly won the quadruple that year. How many more games did you united play that season as well? Thats the qustion you should be asking. Comparing finishing second in the league to Englands first and last continental treble winners is the saddest thing i've ever read. Liverpool fans are fucking delusional. I wouldnt mind this current liverpool side has the same amount of league titles as leicester.

@phillyl4235

2 жыл бұрын

@@CloudedIntentions liverpool won the champions league the same year so all that focusing on one competition stuff is irrelevant. How is numerical facts delusion mate? 😂😂😂 I think the delusional one is you if you think football started with the Premier league. We've got 19 League titles and we will get to 21 before you lad.

I never thought SG got the acclaim he deserved while everyone was always singing the praises of Mr Mesi SG was always ignored; Prolly because he was a northern Englishman & Scouser and not from da da 👁️ candidates...👊

@pacman7687

2 жыл бұрын

What does any of this even mean

@amarshmuseconcepta6197

2 жыл бұрын

@@pacman7687 Go figure..

@wehatethemancs7075

2 жыл бұрын

@@amarshmuseconcepta6197 Try and banter properly Mate Your attempts are decreasing you Manc rat.🤣

Finally an actual debate rather then just screaming over each other

Only liverpool fans can talk about Henderson as if he deserves the Ballon d'or and Paul Scholes as if he's an average bloke.

Scholes couldn't tackle to save his life. I agree, even Lampard was greater. Gerrard number 1.

@craigglassford8533

2 жыл бұрын

That don’t matter Keane did the tackling in that midfield 2

@t_abr8151

2 жыл бұрын

That was his role that was Roy Keanes role whereas Gerrards role was to be that battler

@jayoneill5979

2 жыл бұрын

Scholes didn’t need to tackle look at xavi pirlo did they ? Lack pace couldn’t tackle still dominated for 15+ years good night

That's why they start Gerrard and Lampard ahead of Scholes for England

@fede4740

2 жыл бұрын

And thats why england were shit. Shameless logic 😂😂😂

@papacinoooo

2 жыл бұрын

and they were totally garbage! :-) so sad

@samshyam5347

2 жыл бұрын

England team rn doesn't start Alexander Arnold but starts Maguire lol. Just because England board is stupid doesn't mean someone playing for them is necessarily better

@kazoh0lic

2 жыл бұрын

@@fede4740 because they won a lot when Scholes was there 😂

@fede4740

2 жыл бұрын

@@kazoh0lic if they played a pivot of scholes and one of the two other statpadders, they have given it a really good shot. Scholes didnt get given enough chances compared to the two who were inferior to him