Why does this conversation revolve entirely around Israel’s strategic interests and concerns? The point of the discussion was supposed to be about US interests?

@charlesfentules

2 ай бұрын

Zionist Israel took over America way before the cold war try this video, a ex-Zionist from a 1961 utube Bejamin Freeman

You don’t lobby public opinion, you lobby politicians and US politicians overwhelmingly support Israel.

So that's what Tim Pool looks like without the beanie

@bluecoffee8414

Ай бұрын

😄😄 underrated comment

If you push them back would you remove your illegal settlements?

@sartajaziz5930

2 ай бұрын

Lol noam is super biased. He's a Zionist like all others.

@mannyshouse3708

2 ай бұрын

Do you understand we are talking about two different conflicts?

@newidealism3894

2 ай бұрын

The settlements started in 1967 after Egypt after F'd around and found out. Don't F around if you don't want to find out. Never again means never again.

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life.

What strange logic! I always understood it was the other way, that America was the liability to Israel's interests.

Do you remember when you said Israel is not going to starve pelastinians?

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life.

@LawOfNonContradiction

2 ай бұрын

they haven't. gazans obese as ever

@biochemistryproject

Ай бұрын

Still not starving 👍 500 food trucks vs 70 pre-war, free food literally flooding the strip

In 2006, Israelis didn't just pull out of Lebanon because they wanted to. Hezbolla made them leave through gorilla war. The Isrealis left because they were losing many soldiers.

@MarkVeltzer

2 ай бұрын

Hezolla are radical islamists, Hebolla literally means "the party of God". This means they will come knocking on every liberal door in the region.

You actually think they want to be under occupation forever

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

I am so terribly ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life.

You come across as just a comedian. However, your debating skills, particularly your ability to trap opponents, are quite impressive. Let's get you on Piers Morgan...

@oh_k8

2 ай бұрын

He was educated as a lawyer so....😂

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

They will irreversibly label you an A N T I - S E M I T E for simply pointing that out...

The fear from the host is imaginary and catastrophic. It’s like they are afraid of zombies. All you have to do is help the Palestinians to have a sovereign state. The solution is simple.

@newidealism3894

2 ай бұрын

Can you support that claim or is it just something you're saying? They attacked in 1929 and 1936 because they didn't want Jews immigrating to the region. Now you say they attacked because they want a state?? What about from 1948 to 1967 when Jordan and Egypt controlled Palestine? Why didn't Jordan and Egypt give them a state?? It's because this is not about that. It's about the fact that the Jews didn't convert when dude man arrived in medina.

@jeanb8643

2 ай бұрын

The bottom line is that we don’t torture and kill innocent people. Period. If someone was persecuting you, Jon, I would not accept it. No matter what silly excuse they gave me. I don’t ate what religion you are. Nobody cares what religion you are - except weirdos. Normal people want the basics - a good life and they really don’t care what religion you are. It is not about religion - it is about freedom and opportunity to travel and support their family in peace. Israel is not allowing them freedom. Just like you and Ivwant and deserve freedom, they deserve it too.

@jeanb8643

2 ай бұрын

Also, where can they go? It is not like have options. They don’t have dual citizenship. Do you really think that they wouldn’t like to the West? That they want to live in slums in Gaza? They would move if other countries would accept therm. Please read my other reply to you - I sent to myself by accident.

@redspock

2 ай бұрын

@@newidealism3894 Many Jews left Israel long before it was conquered, years of drought, a search for a better way of life, etc. A good portion of Palestinians are in fact the original Jews. They stayed while everyone else left, some converted, others paid the Poll Tax, even David Ben Gurion knew this. Lastly, during the Arab Conquests, the Arabs were smart conquerors for their day, they didn't force conversion, they generally left local customs and religions intact, thus making it a bit more palatable to pay the taxes the Arabs demanded. Jews would eventually go live in all of those surrounding Arab countries for over 2 millennia in relative peace compared to what they went through in Europe.

@newidealism3894

2 ай бұрын

@@redspock nothing you said about history supports the idea that a generation of young people in Palestine radicalized by hateful enemies of Israel would back off if they were given statehood. You are getting played. You are getting tricked. Or you are one of the evil people trying to trick the rest of us. Arab Nations refused to accept Palestinian refugees, because evil people still trying to destroy israel. Hezbollah from the north, and Hamas from the south. But you and others continue to pretend it's all about people wanting freedom and statehood.

They will irreversibly label you an A N T I - S E M I T E for simply pointing that out...

So the host doesn't see 🇵🇸 as wanting 2 state solutions when bibi came out saying that he was proud for thwarting the forming of the state of 🇵🇸!! He is wayy to biased!! He wants hizbollah honour their agreement when 🇮🇱 as a matter of fact didn't honour the Oslo agreement , sabotaged then willingly! 🇮🇱 will never have peace until they start loving their children more

Norm tortures himself trying to believe that he's the good.

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

They will irreversibly label you an A N T I - S E M I T E for simply pointing that out... I am so terribly ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life.

I applaud Jon Hoffman for sitting patiently while Norm goes on unending monologue rants

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

I am so terribly ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life.

@TheMic13

2 ай бұрын

ahahahahahhahaha he literally bitched out not even 10 minutes into the interview what are u watching

I'm not all in on any position on this, but it really feels like he repeatedly avoids dealing with all the difficulties that would obviously follow as a result of his prescribed course of action. What is the right course of action? I have no fkn idea. Everything seems like a bad idea at this point. But this guy is incapable of 2nd order thinking

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

They will irreversibly label you an A N T I - S E M I T E for simply pointing that out...

LIFT THE OCCUUPATION

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

They will irreversibly label you an A N T I - S E M I T E for simply pointing that out...

@davidlenett8808

2 ай бұрын

I agree. Get the Palestinians out of there.

@kelvinlong2742

2 ай бұрын

@@davidlenett8808 Israel has been occupying Gaza and wat bank 60 years. So yea get them the fuck out.

@Santirata

Ай бұрын

​@mmm-mq3zr No. It's absolutely not anti-semitic to criticize the occupation. Though, Gaza has not been occupied for almost 20 years now.

@kelvinlong2742

Ай бұрын

@@Santirata they’ve been under a 20 year land, air and sea blockade. And they also can’t come and go as they please. There’s a reason international orgs and humanitarian orgs describe Gaza as an open air prison. It is occupied from without vs within.

why is he refusing to answer?

@TheKiddy3

2 ай бұрын

"armed resistance" I guess we have his answer

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

@TheKiddy3

2 ай бұрын

@@mmm-mq3zr I’m not. I actually am proud to be a Jew more than ever.

Hoffman didn’t make any sense. He seemed to cling to certain set of premises, but clearly hasn’t thought through the counter arguments to his worldview

Well, I’m an Israeli and there no Israeli who studies and reaserching geo strategy who think Israel doesn’t face an existential threat. Saying Israeli doesn’t really need to worry about the threats around it or non of them and especially all of them together are not existential is very American of him to say. He is missing a lot most likely because he is looking at what’s going on here oceans away from here

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

@yanivreif7379

Ай бұрын

@@mmm-mq3zr the risk free Jew who lives oceans aways from here feel very uncomfortable!? We are fighting for our children survival 🤷‍♂️

@yanivreif7379

Ай бұрын

@@mmm-mq3zr Listening to this made me think about you or our short exchange here. I see where you coming from now. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3-jt6VpnZS7aag.htmlsi=tKDhJk9zjDtvrM4Y I think you are wrong but I understand now. Hope better days will come soon, all the best.

Noam dismantled John within the first 15m ,really left him naked and speechless.

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

Are we watching the same video? Have you been drinking? I am so, so terribly ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life.

He has lots of Mearsheimer talking points but displayed a lack of critical thinking.

Democrat USA are an enormous liability not just for Israel but for US allies in general. In Israel, all the upper echelon of the army is basically taking orders from the Pentagon and loosing the war on Hamas in spite of the tactical prowess of Israeli officers and soldiers on the ground.

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

Has Hoffman been to Israel? No. Has he been to Palestine? Who knows. Enough with these debates with American analysts who have no real world experience.

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

I have been listening for a while and this episode is the episode that made me subscribe. Noam was amazing! Noam, I wish you could take this show on the road. People need clarity. Israel is the only democratic force in the Middle East so how would all of these anti-Israel people feel if it didn't exist and the Arab states aligned with Russia? Not to mention all of the "liberals" who would be executed in three seconds if they lived in some of those countries? It is shocking how smart people can not see their internal anti-Semitism.

@judahjayson684

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 I'm really want to be honest with you, nothing made sense from what you were saying, most people who have humanity and compassion see that Palestinians were suffering since 1947-48 and also illegal occupation

@Dovwssmn-ky7jc

2 ай бұрын

‘Most people’ are irrelevant. Informed people read history and understand that Palestinian rejectionism played a significant part in the suffering of Palestinians. The world community recognized the need for partition and the Palestinians refused to compromise and began a civil war that led to their displacement. Facts matter.

@judahjayson684

2 ай бұрын

@@Dovwssmn-ky7jc learn your own history not Palestinian narrative history but new Israel documented history that even before the "war" started they was already 200-212 villagers cleansed from the inhabitants after the war 506 villagers and city's cleansed and each of them had massacres and inhuman atrocious that killed close to 15,000 people

@judahjayson684

2 ай бұрын

@@Dovwssmn-ky7jc and that's just 1947-48 Palestinians were subjected to 50× October 7 and also the brutal occupations and apartheid in the West Bank and the open air prison in Gaza and worse of all Israel is currently committing pluasible genocide by the ICJ, so you are telling me, you eating shit and tweeting knows more than human rights report, ICJ, B'Tselem Israel human rights, amnesty international, and every respected international human rights watch please stop the psychosis.

@judahjayson684

2 ай бұрын

and that's just 1947-48 Palestinians were subjected to 50× October 7 and also the brutal occupations and apartheid in the West Bank and the open air prison in Gaza and worse of all Israel is currently committing pluasible genocide by the ICJ, so you are telling me, you eating shit and tweeting knows more than human rights report, ICJ, B'Tselem Israel human rights, amnesty international, and every respected international human rights watch please stop the psychosis.

Algorithm

Jon ‘deflection’ Hoffman Complete luck of substance and self awareness 🤦🏽‍♀️

Wrong question. The right question is when does America come to the aid of the persecuted - the Palestinians?

@oh_k8

2 ай бұрын

America does their fair share of persecuting around the world bruh....😂

@evamurray2564

2 ай бұрын

​@@oh_k8anyone ending a sentence with bruh is obviously low iq. The America bad narrative is childish.

@user-cg1qq2er8x

2 ай бұрын

Oh please, get over it.

@jeanb8643

2 ай бұрын

Of course, America does. That’s how they keep their dominance. Unfortunately, the world sees it for what it is.

@jeanb8643

2 ай бұрын

Is that the best you got? When you got nothing on your side, you pull out the arrogance card. Of course, what else is left when you have no credible argument on your side. Well guess what, that won’t work anymore. You get over it.🙂

Sir, your HAMAS is showing

"The academic literature tells us..." - Jesus!

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

They will irreversibly label you an A N T I - S E M I T E for simply pointing that out...

Jon has a very poor understanding of the Middle east eg. Most Palestinians want a two state solution. History has proven this wrong again and again.

@rennyskiathitis8178

2 ай бұрын

Most Palestinians support the actions of Hamas and a very large percentage support Hamas, so no. You Re mistaken.

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible, terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

DGG

@tophelbert

2 ай бұрын

OBAMNA

Glad I came across this channel and have now subbed. Probably would have found it earlier if it weren't called "Comedy something..." as I would normally avoid such a thing like the plague as I would assume Joe Rogan and his non-funny uninformed idiot bros' terrible takes on everything... this isn't stupid at all :) There's a compliment in there somewhere. Maybe change the name ?

@oh_k8

2 ай бұрын

That's the name of the comedy club he owns. This podcast is probably filmed there?

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

Mr Hoffman is keen to initiate a Jewish inquisition with himself in the role of chief inquisitor.

@harrison3859

2 ай бұрын

Stop being a cry baby. Israel has a lot to answer for

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.

Mearsheimer is cringe, he's doing the same weird spins on Russia, Ukraine and Nato. Using a grain of truth to twist it into a lie

@beetie1308

2 ай бұрын

😂

@markb8426

2 ай бұрын

Which claims do you determine John lied about?

@retirementplanner

2 ай бұрын

True. The Tucker interview with Putin proved Mearsheimer's worldview is just wrong and highly faulty. So it makes me question all of his other conclusions.

@user-cg1qq2er8x

2 ай бұрын

He's right on Ukraine, wrong on Israel.

@stevelang6990

2 ай бұрын

Mearsheimer is well reasoned and well respected and courageous enough to speak against the Neo Con concencus of the Military Industrial Complex in Washington D.C. Jeffrey Sachs is also a courageous hero for speaking out and leveraging his stellar reputation to tell the truth. Same with journalist Glen Greenwald.

41:42 "I'll prove it to you: if Israel makes peace, there's no chance an independent Jewish militia will attack, send rockets etc." Counterpoint: Settlers marauding with impunity, on camera, right now. So host proved himself wrong. Just admit you have some crazy distant family, it isn't so shameful, and a mitzvah, probably, to have humility and be honest and upright and pleased with God, not idolatrous self-imagery.

I'm not all in on any position on this, but it really feels like he repeatedly avoids dealing with all the difficulties that would obviously follow as a result of his prescribed course of action. What is the right course of action? I have no fkn idea. Everything seems like a bad idea at this point. But this guy is incapable of 2nd order thinking

@mmm-mq3zr

2 ай бұрын

This is exactly why we need to change our terrible ways. I am so terribly ashamed to be a J E W for the first time in my life. What you are doing over there is causing me in my family to feel very unsafe and it needs to stop.