Reals Christians aren’t attacking or judging Joseph for his decision, we’re mourning it.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

@shimonlang1004

2 жыл бұрын

No need to mourn. Joe is fine and continuing to do great things.

@mahkaimaldonado4471

2 жыл бұрын

@@shimonlang1004 as a christian we are aware of the dangers of not accepting Jesus. it hurts us that he has rejected the way the truth and the life.

@jonathanselassie6174

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@peterjamieson2441

2 жыл бұрын

@@shimonlang1004 What's great about turning your back on God?

"Don't let their departure nullify the truths that they spoke."

@desroywhite

2 жыл бұрын

Facts!

@siantelove

2 жыл бұрын

I love this comment. My pastor played his poem in church and used his testimony to encourage young men to view women in a Godly way. I began following him at the time and he really encouraged my faith during that time. I appreciate him for that.

@jessicazimmerman9627

2 жыл бұрын

That's the issue unfortunately. It should be The Truth they speak not spoke.

@oj2314

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. God uses everyone to bring across his glory...

@munyazmusic

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not scripture 👀

I honestly have no space to judge Joseph. He was a big part of my growing faith 2-3 years ago. When the pandemic hit my faith has gone down and I’ve been on the fence for the past year and a half. Learning Joseph left the faith tonight was a hard hit for me personally because it was like the Holy Spirit held up a mirror for me tonight showing me where the path I’m currently on will ultimately lead… God legit won’t leave me alone. He reminds me of His presence every single day. I need to grow up in the faith. I hope anyone reading this may come to the same conclusion. Time is running out. Shalom 💕

@TM1Forever

2 жыл бұрын

💕

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

"God legit won’t leave me alone." I love that!!

@SoCalGirl22

2 жыл бұрын

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the [a]author and [b]finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:1-2 Please stay strong and hold in there. Pray for strength and continue running the race.🙏

@getmo6

2 жыл бұрын

@He calls me blessed Please know Holy Spirit is still right there. And He’s waiting, with open arms, for you to turn back to him. Please don’t allow guilt or shame keep you from turning back to the Lord. That’s a trick of the enemy. Confess your sin, repent and come back to the Father. He will lovingly, and joyfully receive you… And without condemnation. Ask me how I know!!! I’ll be praying for you. God bless❤️

@blgplusyt7683

2 жыл бұрын

@He calls me blessed yup, been there. not feeling the presence of God because of sin was the worst. but i held onto God's word because it is true, that He will neither leave us nor forsake us. and in prayer, crying, and repentance, i held onto God because apart from Him, i know i have nowhere else to go. He alone is our deliverer and our savior. especially with sin, though we be ashamed, we should not run away from God. as christians, sin is not just our battle, lest we be boastful of our own strength. but with sin, we ought to have God fight for us and give us strength to flee from temptations, so that in our weakness, we only boast of God's strength and He alone is glorified. God bless

“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.” Luke 22:31‭-‬32 NIV I really pray this will be Joe's journey....

Joseph is giving me prodigal son vibes. He will be back. Love him, his content and his voice so really hoping he comes back to the fam soon.

@manlikezi

2 жыл бұрын

I really hope so man

@jennifermallard465

2 жыл бұрын

@@APTTMH07 uh the bible says it's like crucifiing Jesus anew to return to the faith he's not a prodigal because he was never really a Christian are he wouldn't have left

@jennifermallard465

2 жыл бұрын

@C Luv your saying the bible is wrong not me you were a prodigal I'm talking about completely leaving the faith

@nazarinebeats5521

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t think so, hope he has/finds the truth.

@emilywalton4105

2 жыл бұрын

Not everyone comes back. It's up to him. He needs to repent of his sins.

Joseph seems so off edge to me, I just want to give him a hug. Christian or not, he’s a human being. He should still be treated with love.

We need to keep praying for many that struggle with the faith. It's not easy to run this Christian race. My prayers are with Joe.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! Praying with you!!

@kbrown6543

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. I struggled with my faith for over 20 years and it wasn't until God broke me all the way down did I truly see His love for me and my desperate need for Jesus.

@melliemel32

2 жыл бұрын

True! Keep praying. It's not easy, but it's worth it!

@Itss_Rhi

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not fr

@highergroundbelieving8856

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not easy only when you hold on to your fleshly desires and the cares of this world and going after riches. Jesus said his burdens is easy and his yoke is light

My heart breaks hearing someone else has walked away from faith. Sadly the church has tried to make a walk of faith neat and tidy. We need to do better helping people as they wrestle with their faith and with life. I also think a lot of people get caught up in the doing or the good works and that instead of Christ becomes the thing. I pray Joseph finds his way back

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

I too pray he finds his way back. You're right, faith is messy and we can't act like its not! Thanks for the comment man!

@DomMCoop

2 жыл бұрын

Amen brother

@StephaBee06

2 жыл бұрын

💯 💯💯

@jflor7

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChaseJones75 faith is not messy. 😊Humans are messy, and our path is not neat and tidy. I totally agree with the part that our Church needs to help each other with these struggles, not pretend the problems don’t exist.✝️🙏 God help us.

@ob2be1

2 жыл бұрын

So true, my Fiancé and I have been reading Rewire your heart by David Bowden and it helped me to realize why I was so frustrated and angry with God. I was caught up in “doing good” that I felt like God owed me things that I prayed about because I didn’t do this or I did do that. After about 6 years of me living in this merit based salvation I literally begin to question God and Christianity because of unmet and expectations. Thank God for his mercy in rescuing me and helping me to see the error of my ways. I have a new respect and sensitivity for non-Christians and those struggling in their faith because I know from personal experience now how easily it can be to walk away from something you grew up believing your entire life.

"Ain't over til it's over" Absolutely. I was one who "used to be Christian" and turned my back on God. I went into new age and occult for about 10 years. Came back running into Jesus's arms, repenting my ass off. I went out from them because I was never a part of them. Now I am an actual Christian and nothing in this life or the next would separate me from my Savior.

@hannahjsmith4713

2 жыл бұрын

Repenting my ass off! This needs to be a movement lol 😹

@lboogy85

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being honest because that's exactly what the scripture say. People don't have a depth to their faith, it's all in vain and so they end up falling away because Satan ends up planning tears in their hearts, in the true seeds of God never hold because everything was about appearance in the first place. I came to God in 12, and had no depth of faith myself, and ended up falling away and going into new ageism. He came and rescued me in 2017 and the depth I have a faith right now is deeper than anyone I hung out with before because I did the things that he told me to do. I didn't make my faith vain.

I think about him a lot. I think there is a spirit targeting believers. Before God fetched me I also almost denounced Christianity

@kendrahfoster7372

2 жыл бұрын

I think the lore of secular music and having a potential music career is one of the targeting spirits.

@seeyanuhhs.7372

2 жыл бұрын

The word said it’d happen in the last days.

@d.c.4706

2 жыл бұрын

@@kendrahfoster7372 YES!!!!!! And unfortunately, there are people who will quickly label what you typed as religious or judgmental. But it is 100000% truth. We can't serve two masters. Period.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Praising God with you for keeping you in his grip!!

@darb.9626

2 жыл бұрын

@@seeyanuhhs.7372 exactly!! I was looking for this comment vs the super spiritual one.

I’m praying for Joseph Solomon to come back to the faith myself.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Same! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

@happinessajayitv

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

When we break covenant we put ourselves in a vulnerable position. The enemy is wicked and doesn’t play fair. Praying for you Joseph Solomon. I pray you get the understanding that you need, and come back home. 🙏🏼

“The best of men are men at best.” That’s rich!!!

@yahweh247

2 жыл бұрын

JC Ryle, check ‘em out!

The healthiest church I've been a member of consistently challenged the members to evaluate "How does our Church structure, practices, and worship match with how the church is defined in scripture?" As you mentioned in #4. I think empowering members of the church body to call out non-biblical practices or teachings makes the church stronger, and encourages members to look to the Bible as a source.

@ChristinaFaithful

2 жыл бұрын

This is good

To some, my comment might touch a personal area in someone’s life but I’ve been hearing a lot about ex believers who once followed Jesus now walking away from their faith because they came to a breaking point due to doubt without prayer or support. Let’s pray for those (who are out of our reach physically) who are considering to walk away from their faith in Jesus that God will give them great faith through the Holy Spirit and that they will experience some kind of opportunity of available support to speak to someone (one person, or group setting) about their struggles. And let’s also try to ask each other how we are doing health-wise in our faith and also in our personal relationship with God the father and with Jesus. Or also asking them what they truly want. One time a person opened up to me about their struggles and I told them I’ll pray for them and they got really upset and told me, “I’m tired of people saying they’ll pray for me. Why can’t they just ask me what I really want.” So I asked him what he really wanted and he said, “I just want a hug.”

@busridingchick1063

2 жыл бұрын

Your last paragraph was powerful. I’ve experienced this as well. Ask me how I’m doing or can you help or whatever else but not just a simple bingo coverall with a prayer if the person is not a believer.

@JesusForgivesSins

2 жыл бұрын

@@busridingchick1063 - Thank you for sharing. I used to ask how someone is doing but ever since a friend of mine told me she doesn’t like it when people ask her how she is doing because she sees the question as fake and as just a fake question to start a conversation going because the person asking doesn’t really know how to start a conversation, I stopped asking. My friend saw the question as coming from someone who doesn’t really care about how the other person is doing, they just want something to start the conversation with. So now I start conversations with something other than asking how they are doing. I ask questions about their opinion on things or start a conversation with a joke or something fun or interesting I assume we can we have a convo about.

@richardclark7327

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, when our dear brothers/sisters are hurting they often are not turning away from prayer but they need Jesus “fleshed” out a little more !! That’s where the body of Christ needs to enter. Lord help , due to COVID is hard for that, but He knows!!!

@savannalove7739

2 жыл бұрын

Wise words Sabrina!

This is so sad. I haven’t seen him talk about Jesus in awhile. I wondered why. We have to be praying for him. 💜

I am not surprised. I had unsubscribed from him about a year ago when he had a rant about his views on solving the racial issues in our country. When he said that Salvation in Christ for souls was not the answer. Christ Jesus is and will all ways be the perfect answer and solution to every problem with humanity. I realize now that, I should have prayed for Joseph. Lord He needs in prayer

@PqV72MT4

2 жыл бұрын

Having one answer to every problem is the sign of a dangerous cult. God help you.

@Deanna974

2 жыл бұрын

I saw this coming, too. :( All this BLM race stuff has really caused unnecessary wedges in between and within Christians. Jesus is THE only way, and the only answer to the sin of racism and the damage and hurt of racism. Unfortunately us black folks can idolize our skin color, and "our people" and put that before God.

@whatisjoedoing

2 жыл бұрын

lol i never said this in any video ever. y’all just be making up stuff.

@whatisjoedoing

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deanna974 me leaving literally had nothing to do with social justice/blm stuff. but i guess believe whatever makes you think you understand ppl…

@michellethomas4928

2 жыл бұрын

@@PqV72MT4 Wrong! Sorry but Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life❤

The same Jesus who used Joseph to draw us closer to God will draw Joseph back to him. I am not disheartened by the news, I rejoice instead for I strongly believe that a beautiful story of redemption will come out of this. Praying for Joseph and sending him lots of love.

I honestly had a season like this I’m only 23 but I’ve been in and served at a high capacity in “THE CHURCH” for a long time I felt that instead of half heartedly serving God and barely believing what I’m telling other young ppl I’d do what Jesus said and be Hot or Cold And the cold season is where God really revealed himself the farther I ran the more he pursued although it was extremely hard to come back it grew my faith substantially and I gained a much stronger foundation and relationship with our lord and savior Jesus Christ …. With that being said we can definitely pray for and love on Joe but ultimately let God finish the good work he started

@RaZhanBreonna

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🏽❤️🙌🏽

Above turning away from ‘the church’ it’s turning away from GOD. Lord help us to remain connected to you. Despite the desert place! Even if we are in a dry spell where we are away from the church. May we never turn away from GOD, CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Idk why I’m sad about hearing this, but I am. I think it’s because I’ve admired his poetry, music, and videos. He has a special voice in many areas. If Joe reads this: God bless & I’m praying for you.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Praying with you sister!

So, I initially thought he was taking the angle of "God never called us to be Christians, He called us to be believers, disciples, followers, " etc. I too had points in which I struggle to understand the character of God, especially when it comes to the challenges that people of color have experienced. I didn't tell anyone how I was feeling. But the Holy Spirit sent a Word to me to stand strong in my faith and that He will reveal more of Himself to me in time and I had to be good with that answer. God cared enough about me to send me and answer and I'm grateful to Him for it. I will be praying for Joseph. I stopped watching him a while ago. But I will pray for him. The enemy is out to destroy believers

@graciem6562

2 жыл бұрын

Not too long ago, I literally asked God to help me understand how He viewed what happened to those who were affected by the tragic history of America's racism against black folk. We can't just ignore that part of history, especially with how its consequences still affect the world's dynamics today. Who will hold the oppressors accountable? I know that God is a just and righteous Father. He sees everything and there is nothing that escapes His watchful eye, despite what many may believe. I put my faith in that because of what the Bible says and because of my own experiences with Him! I just really want to know what will happen to all those poor souls.. I pray that God will send someone or something to let me know. I've also asked Him to help me understand His character and personality more, and now I am revisiting parts of the old testament that I sometimes struggle connecting to our loving Father. But even though I don't understand everything, I don't want to ever let Him go. *Please* keep listening to the Holy Spirit. Never stop believing in the truth. He *will* take care of you. And in time, I hope He will help you understand exactly what you need to know :) If He said it, He is faithful to follow through. Shalom!

@lboogy85

2 жыл бұрын

It's because black people are the israelites. Look at Deuteronomy 28. Who do those curses fit? That will tell you why black people have the issues that they have. The thing is whitewash lukewarm Christianity will tell you that God is a certain way when he's not that way, and when you find out he's not then you're all upset because you thought this this and that about him. But when Christians start reading their Bibles they will know the truth about god, that he is Holy above all things, that he is righteous above all things and he hates, hates, hates sin and he hates evil even in his own children. He had no qualms about wiping out the world when it was evil. So those people who want the lukewarm Christ are not going to understand the holy and righteous God that doesn't even spare his children and his wrath. The wheat will bow, the tares won't. He told Moses to take off his shoes when he approached him, but many Christians want to approach him like he's their little buddy were there little genie. The truth is God does love us and he wants to be our friend, but if we remain evil and in sin we then become his enemy, and this is the case of the world. They are at enmity with god, and so the days will be like they were in Noah's days.

the spiritual warfare that comes with this journey is outrageous. the difficult storms that we face aren’t just coincidental, have we all not read job? faith is a choice, and a hard one at that. but gracefully God gives us enough evidence to choose Him, even through our doubts and battles. i’m not up to date on joseph’s podcast it just kills me that another brother has left the faith. my question is does he not believe in God anymore ? or has He just chosen not to be a follower anymore. it’s a foolish question honestly but im curious unto if the enemy has truly stolen Gods hand in His life. God is no fool, if we truly seek Him wholeheartedly He’s sure to come through… but only in HIS TIMING.

@mahkaimaldonado4471

2 жыл бұрын

@Alina i agree with everything you said except the last point 😭.. i’m a a bit confused wym by it’s impossible to be enlightened by God then deny Him? it’s not impossible to deny Him. paul said it’s impossible to be restored if you deny Him.. He’s implying that it is possible to deny Him

@mahkaimaldonado4471

2 жыл бұрын

@Alina but omg this is a gem.. it’s not Gods fault for any wrong in the world it’s humanities fault. we have free will to do whatever we want. His word is truly one of the greatest blessings known to mankind. without a foundation in it the enemy will deceive us with false doctrines about God etc. i’m so glad you haven’t fallen away. i hope peace love and joy in the Lord multiplies in you. our tribulations are set to better us. many ppl want to stay the same, but we are literally not of God in our natural state and we cannot please Him. without chastening we won’t even try to walk in the new man who was created according to God in true righteousness and holiness (ephesians 4:24).. there is no transformation in thinking the same. we need tribulations for perseverance in the faith. but many ppl like you said would rather everything be there way. or believe any doctrine flown about in the wind. nah bro we stickin with the bible we stickin with Jesus. He’s shown me His love countless times and still my flesh tries to make me doubt. it’s so odd but i will fight till the day i die

@rebeccablxck

2 жыл бұрын

@@mahkaimaldonado4471 this is gold.

@mahkaimaldonado4471

2 жыл бұрын

@Alina responding to your first response: what’s so critical in the faith is distinguishing between our flesh and our new man created according to God (ephesians 4:24).. yes our flesh sins but our new man cannot sin. many people fail to deny themselves and take up there cross. paul talks about how he has to die daily in 1 corinthians 15:31.. many skip that step. and that’s the first step that affirms us in Christ. now sinning is not a necessity. yet it is inevitably unavoidable according to our flesh. paul states in (romans 8:5-6) that to be carnally minded is death and to be spiritually minded is life and peace. this is so vital. the renewing of our mind is key and not everyone undergoes the process. in romans 13:14 paul says to put on Christ and leave no room/ make no provisions for the flesh. lest we gratify our sinful nature and it become real dangerous. not many will succeed in this walk with Christ, it’s not easy. Jesus said that heaven is a narrow road. we should proceed with caution and all humility. if Gods presence is not our dwelling place i believe it’s impossible to finish strong.

@mahkaimaldonado4471

2 жыл бұрын

@Alina over what paul said… so we know God is all merciful and is king suffering. God will reveal Himself to those who seek Him wholeheartedly and repent. when we cry out for mercy He gives it and we see the evidence for it. paul’s saying that when God reveals Himself to us through Jesus and we decide to departure from the good news. which is literally the worst choice anyone can make. this is the very same as crucifying Christ on the cross as He once was.. except this time we know who He is. almost the same as judas. well the same if you ask me. and as Jesus said it would be better if that person wasn’t born.

Man I was broken when I learnt Joseph had denounced the faith. He may never know how much he impacted me in my early years of salvation. He explained everything so simply in a way that I clearly understood. I hope he comes back to Christ

We just need to pray for him. Walking this faith is not easy.

This is the same as losing a brother to the world… the end video of Joseph singing praises has me crying. I will continue praying for my brother to come back to life💙

This video was just suggested to me and honestly had no idea of this announcement. Thank you for this wisdom, it can be so discouraging to see someone turn away from the faith but it makes me want to serve God even more. The enemy's plan is so evident in these times, we need to keep going and "not get weary in doing good". Lord help us all!

@ivettedizon7020

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

It's actually easier to commit apostasy than people think. I did. It's the mercy of God that kept me. Yes, the church must listen to people. Abuse, sexism, racism, oppressive and even exploitative leadership are some of the reasons that make people leave. Sometimes too, people just don't understand why they believe. We need good teachers who can be led by The Spirit to break God's word down to the people. One of the reasons I left the church was because the concept of salvation made no sense to me. When I got saved, it sank in (with the help of Derek Prince's teachings). PS I pray Joseph Solomon finds his way back home. The story of the prodigal son springs to mind. I speak that outcome over him, in Jesus' Mighty Name, Amen.

I recorded this last night, then this morning I listened to a podcast this morning about a very similar story. Josh Harris (who i mentioned in this video), author of I kissed Dating Goodbye, recently left the faith as well. He shares his journey on the latest episode of the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast. It's definitely worth a listen. Link in description!

When I was a new believer I listened to one of his videos and my life changed so much. I downloaded it and would keep watching it for strength. I really mourn him and pray he comes back to the Truth whilst there is time.

Lord, help me to finish strong

@LifewithBreanna_

2 жыл бұрын

Be sure to pray to God in secret in the name of Jesus Christ.

@happinessajayitv

2 жыл бұрын

@@LifewithBreanna_ sure. Most importantly

I’ve always found myself back sliding and went into lukewarm Christianity… I’ve recently felt a calling to God and I’ve been trying hard to stay on this path but of course it is hard! Even still I can never see myself walking away from God!

@hoshi8741

2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful

When I heard this news I was very upset, I didn’t know how to react to it, I’m thankful for you and this video, you helped me really be able to understand and think biblically rather than want to lash out or erase him mentally. That line you said “ if it was easy being a Christian everyone would do it “ really made me remember why I can’t let this discourage me. God bless pastor

Great video. This one hit differently. Like you, I found Joseph Solomon's channel early on and found his perspective and vulnerability refreshing, especially as a Black man who is in love with Jesus. I dont know Joe personally but hard to hear this news because that was my dude: A thought provoking Christian. Love your video and feel like it gave a very complete perspective.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!! Sorry for the late reply, but I really appreciate your response!!

@angelamartin8761

2 жыл бұрын

🙌🏾💖

Great points made in this video! But I think one factor that makes this deconversion story unique - and much more difficult for many to process - is the fact that Joe shared so much on his platform about wrestling with doubt and overcoming it. For many struggling with doubt, watching his videos (and especially his poem "Shadow of a Doubt") gave hope that they could make it out still believing. His videos were certainly very encouraging to me a few years ago when I went through a period of agnosticism. Right now, his leaving the faith isn't really perturbing to me, but I'm not sure how I would have handled it then. At that time I feared that exactly what's happening with him would happen to me, and I figure many feel now that Joe's story is a preview of what's down the road for them. I think this points to a greater need for the church to support to those who are struggling with their faith, both spiritually and emotionally. It's an extremely difficult process to go through, and something like this can be a a catalyst for believers who are a breaking point without prayer and support.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and I couldn’t agree more with everything you said! The church needs to be more equipped with dealing with situations like this :-/

@Andrew.chomba

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. The onus is especially on Christian leaders. That is why I, personally, love the scriptures. Ever think of Tom Tom, I mean, Thomas the doubter. Those stories are particularly important because it shows us that Jesus cares about those who doubt too. And he is willing to meet them in that place. I believe, with all my heart, Joseph will be restored. Or maybe I can say, Jesus will meet him at that place. Let's pray for our dear brother. I love him so much.

@whatisjoedoing

2 жыл бұрын

@@danehartley6684 i actually preached a lot about small groups. small groups and 1-on-1. when i became more serious about my faith, i went to a small church of maybe 70 people and walked closely with my pastor, while i was in seminary studying for a Masters in Relgious studies. after that, for several years, i belonged to a house church that had only maybe 20 members at our location. i lived in a discipleship home with my pastor for 3 years, who’s a humble legend in chicago. i brought all my doubts and struggles to my pastor (s) and to my brothers and sisters regularly. biblical literacy was not the issue. i studied the Bible quite deeply for understanding and practical application, which what attracted many people to my channel early on. ive read countless books on defense of the faith, watched countless debates, studied apologetics while at seminary, the whole 9. i actually taught quite thoroughly on videos and conference workshops on how to wrestle through doubts in the context of intimate christian community. and even with all that, my experience was just as much emotional and spiritual as it was intellectual. so the solution is not so simplistic. i think that’s probably been the um… i guess.. most misunderstood part of this whole ordeal. everyone seems to be offering quite simple explanations to sum up my experience, when in reality, those who know me, or have followed me closely for years, know that ive fought deeply against doubt and questions for many years with many tools and many tearful prayers. this was not a simple or quick decision.

@whatisjoedoing

2 жыл бұрын

@@danehartley6684 ironically seminary was one of the most challenging experiences against my faith and yet one particular class emboldened it a lot. very mixed bag of emotions in seminary. i’m not offended by your comment. just trying to clarify for people. i’ve heard so many suggestions as to why i walked away that really oversimplified my experience. so far, out of the dozens and dozens of explanations, not a single one of them is something new to me that i did not deeply consider and search out while in the faith.

@mowunmi7189

2 жыл бұрын

@@Andrew.chomba I hear you, but…why do we think Christian leaders themselves are not wrestling with doubt? We place a lot on the “church” (code word for church leadership), forgetting they are also humans like us.

So glad that someone is speaking into this, thought I was quietly mourning the loss of a brother who helped me so much in my faith but turns out there are others praying for him too. This topic gives me Rise and Fall of Mars Hill vibes. Thanks for talking about it

Love this video. So glad it popped on my feed. Discovered Joseph Solomon a year ago and love his music and art. Appreciate the authenticity and love coming out of this. Praying. Glad I found your channel, Chase!

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Really appreciate it!!

I saw that and was saddened, too. You can look and see the physical change. A lot of men are falling away.😥 The Bible speaks of this sadly.

Thanks so much for this Pastor Chase- the turning from faith of artists who have stirred my heart has been weighing on me this year, and I needed to hear all this from you!

Thank you so much Chase for saying the truth in Love. God bless you. May God continue to keep us.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Super late reply, but thanks so much for watching. "May God continue to keep us."

If someone turns away from their faith, they probably didn’t have real faith to begin with.. once you taste the Lords goodness there is no going back. There are times when someone who does have genuine faith starts to doubt and push God away but a person of genuine faith always comes back to God.

@TheHowellFamilyy

2 жыл бұрын

Always. But it’s a dangerous place to be. I’ve been there myself. You can feel the Holy Spirits convictions and promptings the whole time. However, id say that if someone is going so far as to publicly leave the faith then sadly I don’t even know if you can even pray for those people. Doesn’t that bible say it’s impossible for them to be restored? 😢

@JadetheGoober

2 жыл бұрын

Misery is one hell of a drug

@tolatola5891

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHowellFamilyy Ma'am, you can always give your life to Christ no matter what you've done or how many times you've denounce Jesus. You're referencing Hebrews 6-4:6 that speaks on people who ultimately rejects the Holy Spirit ( the only unforgivable sin). People who've been exposed to the gospel and who have seen the works of GOD'S hands while at the same time keeping their backs turned to Christ up until death. As long as the Most High GOD sees fit to fill your lungs with air you have another chance at eternal life.

@TheHowellFamilyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolatola5891 ok Thanks! I will look into this more. I used to think that I committed the unforgivable sin over and over again. Because my sinful flesh would just think blasphemous thoughts out of the blue.

These are really maturely and well articulated points. I’m glad this got recommended to me by YT. Whatever happens, may God be glorified!

That clip of Joe at the end just chokes me up. Lord take and seal him Amen. Well done video, brother.

Whaat oh nooo 🙈 thanks for being so respectful of him! I looved his videos but noticed changes and couldn't watch anymore sometime ago...but this is gutting news! We need to pray more for our Christian bros and sisters.

bless you and this message!! Thanks for sharing w us.

One of my consolations: "Though in my heart I have questions, EVEN FAIL TO BELIEVE, still God is faithful, faithful to me". If we can experience the goodness, the presence and faithfulness of God in our lives, that He has not abandoned us in our unbelief, our doubt, our questionings, then that to me is all that matters. Praise Jehovah! Jah indeed, is our Keeper!

Joseph Solomon, if you come across this comment, I want you to know that God still has His hand open for you; He’s still reaching out and is willing to help you through whatever you’re battling through. Through all our struggles the Lord is with you. I pray that He may surround you with people who truly love and care about you, and provide you with a loving and supportive Christian community. We love you. God bless you, and I have prayed for you. “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:2‬ ‭NRSV‬‬

I’m heartbroken for him. 😔 For some reason I hear hurt or disappointment in his voice with the faith.

I think ppl of faith (religion) struggle with being faithful (maintaining their religion) more than anyone. It is a choice of lifestyle that you cannot always see happening. A lot of the reward is spiritual and since society is so use to materials (things we can see/use) that we lose our appreciation for the things we can’t see/use. Especially if you’ve known the religion all your life. It’s likely you will be in and out of believing before coming back to the final conclusion that God is real and someway somehow, you should figure out how to praise him (religion or personal relationships outside a church)

@NazarofGod

2 жыл бұрын

You've described my battle to the 'T'.

@Kris77777

2 жыл бұрын

The reward for following Christ is Him. If we have Him, we have everything. If we have 'everything' and we don't have Him, we have nothing.

@BreenyLee

2 жыл бұрын

I love this, the reward is spiritual not always material, very good.

NOOOOOOO! This made me sad. I am not judging tho.. Just hurting. The thing is " God said that he will leave 99 for that one sheep". The journey isn't over.

This was very well said. As a fan, you’re immediately disappointed when you hear news like this and sometimes the response is to exhaust all ways to get them back into the faith. But I love how you put this into perspective. It’s sooo much we can learn from this and you did an amazing job pointing that out!

I was so touched by the end of this video. You playing that clip of him singing at the end almost brought me to tears. This video reminded me of why I started following Joseph. I loved his style of teaching; I believe he was gifted to teach. When he stopped putting out teaching videos, I stopped watching him. I never listened to any of his cover videos, so I wasn’t aware that he had such a beautiful singing voice. I don’t even recall listening to any of his poetry, but I’m sure it was good. The man is truly talented and gifted.

In the last days, many will depart from the faith... ...But when you see the abomination of desolation spoken by the prophet Daniel, stand in the Holy place.

Thank you for being real about the subject brother! We have to call a spade a spade these days. Time is growing WAY TOO SHORT! The road is narrow. I will pray for Joseph as well, he's a great talent and soul.

Very well spoken my brother. I actually never heard of Joseph Solomon until this video but man you did him justice. May God bring him back home in due time. #prodigalson

Whatever he is searching for, he won’t find. He will come back eventually unless he never knew God in the first place. If he truly knew God, and is running from him, he will either go crazy, start doing drugs, or die before he was supposed to. You can’t run from God. His voice will not be quiet and it is impossible to drown out for longer than a season. GL to him. If he never knew God in the first place, he will probably just meander through life and fall asleep spiritually. Live your own life and follow God on his path for your life. Can’t worry about what others are doing.

@taii_chii6782

2 жыл бұрын

This is such an awful statement. Especially that second sentence, why are you wishing that bad things happen to him and claim the spirit of Christ dwells within you? If anything just pray and hope he returns

@GolfIsFun69

2 жыл бұрын

@@taii_chii6782 It isn't awful. It is true. I know from personal experience. Christianity isn't about being "nice". It is about being truthful. Give your head a shake.

“The best of men are men at best,”

Chase, what a wonderful word! Your approach was spot on and encouraging.

In the last days here will be a great falling away. I experience narcissistic abuse from church leaders so I understand but Jesus paid such a high price therefore I hold on to my King, The one who truly loves me.

For me it’s saddest when it’s a personal friend or mentor who abandon faith or have a massive moral failing. I appreciate your balanced take on the issue. Don’t give up praying for his return - I had a friend return after 15 years.

Well stated sir. This is my first time crossing your channel, but I'm grateful that I did.

Thanks for this!

Man so heartbreaking! One of my favourite KZreadrs!

Thanks for the vid !

I love Jesus Christ and the Most High Father so much, that I just couldn’t see myself leaving them. They’re the only hope we have!

Thank you for your display of gentleness and yet holding fast to the truth. I just found out today about his decision and it is sad. Yet, God is faithful and He hears the prayers of His saints and that are interceding for Joseph.

Hi Pastor Jones I’m new to you channel but really enjoyed listening to your commentary on church planting. As my wife and I are in the midst of walking thru this phase. Thanks

Thank you for this video ❤️. Very informative.

I really appreciate the way you made this video , thank you

Leaving the “church ⛪️ ” isn’t same as leaving Christianity. At a point he was leaning towards leaving the church ⛪️ . It’s ok to leave a church ⛪️ if it’s choking ur faith and promoting false teachings. Many leave Christianity because they couldn’t leave a church ⛪️

@justice6737

2 жыл бұрын

An excellent point

@247worship

2 жыл бұрын

Mmmm I think it's dangerous territory. The enemy wants you isolated, so the first thing he'll try do is change your view of the church, and get you to leave. I agree if a place is bad or toxic, then move. But leaving the church as a whole is never the answer. Get community and people of faith around you! We were made to do this journey together.

@chukwuifeanyi3325

2 жыл бұрын

@@247worship …if u read closely to my point, church today is ⛪️ (a place/building). Any gathering in the name of Jesus is church. Not today!!! Today, church is mostly a social gathering. If u ask any backslider why he/she withdrew from their faith in Jesus, the underlying reason is ‘church’. It’s not the enemy/devil. More people are leaving the faith or lukewarm today. That’s troubling!!! Most people I know that left a toxic church ⛪️ are doing better and healing

@ryheisha2796

2 жыл бұрын

Yes very sad but true!!! Our faith needs room to expand and grow and if not it will be stifled.

@mutelarsorhougbe4606

2 жыл бұрын

Wow this is so true

My feelings were all over the place with this. But by far the best explanation I’ve heard.

I pray they all come back to Jesus💕🥺

Thanks for your video!

This is solid! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject!

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, brother!!

Thank you for pointing this out. Thank you brother

AMEN! Loving the Holy Spirit response. This is filled with spiritual wisdom.

Thank you for embracing joseph and using this moment as an opportunity to uplift the Christian community

Great points made! Love this.

The Bible clearly states that in the last days, there will be massive falling away of believers (Matt 24:10, 1 Tim 4:1). This is simply the end of times. My prayer is just like the hymn, may I not outlive my love for Christ. May I not be part of the mass that will fall away.

Pastor Chase, I've been quite a big fan of Joe's for years...from P4CM. And I thought about the exact same thing when you mentioned Joe singing Come Thou Fount on his video. I watched all his videos. Is actually a hymn he uses frequently in his videos. Definitely praying for him.

This is such a great video my brother. Very articulate. Very wise. Balanced. Truthful. I felt your heart and truly relate with everything you said. I share the same sentiments as you. God bless you 🙏🏾

My question is are people really leaving any more than before? I've seen many leave but they weren't famous so "no one noticed." I'm glad you pointed out that Christianity isn't easy. The parable of the weeds shows a 25% stay rate.

Nicely said & done. Amen 🙏🏽

Pastor Chase thanks for the insightful thoughts. I recently stumbled on your channel. Look forward to checking out your content.

@ChaseJones75

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really appreciate it. To God be the glory!!

Amen. I was just talking to the Lord about it this morning. It shocked me when I heard the news of it and wondered what led to his decision. Then deep down, I had some ideas as to why he walked away. I'm believing God for his return to Jesus Christ one day soon. I choose to continue to watch his videos because I watch others on KZread who do not follow Jesus. My love for the brother won't change just because of decision. This video spoke on some things that I was thinking about. God bless you, Sir! Grace and Peace fam.

That's why people who aren't spiritually mature shouldn't lead. This was said by Paul. Because they can't stand the course. The moment you decide to stand up for Christ all hell will unleash on you , you have to be strong in your identity in Christ and spiritual warfare. You have to know why you believe. Because your fall will weaken the young believers following you. Paul said I walk in fear and trembling so that after having taught you about Christ , I don't end being left behind. If you love God but you are not spiritually mature. WAIT! DON'T RUSH TO SERVE. And pastors should do the same with young gifted people. MAKE THEM WAIT.

@alonzomorris3420

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, this journey is not easy but one must stand firm in Gods word that's where the strength is. I think those who leave allow the flesh to take over, they use Christianity to gain popularity and fame then get full of themselves and leave to pursue other fleshy ventures

Amazing points!

Thank you…this is what I needed to hear ❤️ Also thank you for not attacking him…. People just need space to breathe…he’s not done yet

Thanks for posting this. Really summed up everything I was thinking about the announcement from Joseph Solomon. I’ve been rocking with him for quite a while also. Long long before his poem about doubts when he’d often have concerts in SA. I found him through ChaseGodtv way back in 2015 I’ve had so many questions honestly. Shook me quite a bit. But all we can do is pray. Nothing has changed in my eyes about him. He’s still that extremely talented, honest and wonderful person I’ve always seen on my screen and I honestly wish him all the best with his new journey. That last video made me shed a few tears, idk why. Thanks for the video Chase!

Very well made video. I was quite surprised how small your channel was. I can see you easily surpassing 1 million subs. keep going man of God!!

Thank you for this video

God is faithful I was once a backslider for more than 20 years and thank God I came back now I'm walking with God faithfully for more than 20years.It is not about the church it's our personal relationship with God.Know God for your self I am praying for all who has gone back we that are in must know it is God's grace and mercy that is keeping us.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@TheoCynical

2 жыл бұрын

That's hard to say given Joseph might come back to the faith. We dont know the future.

@dianaabasiokop5762

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I agree with you @Theohybrid. Someone who had been struggling with his faith does not necessarily come across as one of those who "went out from us because they were not of us". It looks like they really want to make a firm decision for the Lord but somehow, can't. This is different from those who were never a part of us. Judgment should be aligned properly.

His video A shadow of a doubt is literally the only reason I’m here today. It gave me hope when I was at rock bottom.

Love your heart Chase! Keep up the good work brother

This is tragic to hear as I have really loved his worship Mashups. I'm gonna listen to the podcast to see his reasons. Deconstruction is from the enemy but God can use it to bring us closer to Him. Praying Joseph finds his way back home before its too late.

Oh wow shocked to hear the news. My condolences

Yes I believe that it's not over for him. His love for the Lord was so Deep.

Man, I love this take!!!