As a christian, i hateeeee that “you were never saved” comment/perspective from other believers…. Bruh. Joe was out here seeeeeking the Lord, i remember binge watching Joe’s content about him feeling/dealing with doubt as well as some of the uncertainties that came by. Then right after that watching another of his videos, singing a long to worship songs he sang and posted. You cannot tell me he never believed or wasnt saved bc he walked away from it. It dismisses all his efforts & intentionality while being a believer, which i see as disrespectful tbh

@Woolburrr

5 ай бұрын

Its still possible. I was an atheist majority of my life and I've seen plenty of Christians get pulled away or fall away because they didn't really know God (not saying all), but instead they went through the motions of whatever religion for whatever reason. It's very possible that he may have "wanted to believe" but not truly believed so he walked the walk possibly expecting something to happen. I remember talking to an atheist that challenged me on the fact that I may not have been an atheist most of my life & had reasons for thinking that was the case. I didn't get offended, but I listened to him and heard him out and found out that the possible reasons that he gave (which were great logical reasons) didn't apply to me. God knows all, so he knows your heart and your intentions. He knows if your playing games or not, the idea of Christianity is to endure to the end based off of faith, you don't give up unless your already having major issues (normally a sin issue). I don't walk this walk with God hoping he'll show me something empirical, I gave up on that idea a while ago, I walk the walk with God because I believe in God and everyday I legit tell myself I'm not giving up and I do things that God asks of me so I can stay close to God. Belief is harder than people think and switching over from atheist to Christian was legit the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. My first year after my experience (power of that experience has faded for me) I told my girlfriend that "this is INSANITY" because you have to deny yourself to this invisible God which is kinda insane because most people have to see to believe. I failed for most of my years being "Christian" 4 year in I've finally given him literally everything and I plan to never willful sin again by the power of God. I'm not going back, this isn't a matter of figuring everything out its a matter of faith. The walk is continuous and you don't know if God is testing you, seeing if your sincere of not. When God legit spoke to me as an atheist (which is my experience) I told God "I'm going to try even if it takes me 30 years" I said that because I wasn't certain it was God and I said 30 years because at the time that was a lifetime in my eyes. I think God is legit holding me to that, In those 4 years its been a struggle to submit to God. Its been a struggle of honesty of letting go of other masters (SIN) I've given up on that sin and I'm done because I don't see the light living that way anymore especially after God saved my life (the experience) The power of the experience is still weak but I get to see the fruit of the experience everyday and its my 2 beautiful daughters that God stopped me from abandoning (1 at the time).

@johnnyfabian

5 ай бұрын

​@@Woolburrr thanks for the comment! Happy to hear about God working in your life man, glory to Him. I also think it's very possible, you know, there's a group of people out there that just go through "the motions" and don't get to know God, and that can lead to them walking away. Like you said, God knows the heart and only He can truly know if people sincerely turned to Him. Though, by their fruits you will know them. Moreover, I think with Joseph, from watching him talk about God or the body of Christ, mannnn it was so sincere. In some ways, he indirectly challenged me to think critically about my faith through what he was facing - while he was still christian. (Content which I think is now gone. unfortunate for me, though his preference). So, I understand his dissatisfaction (and also mine lol) with people claiming he was never saved. In fact, he has probably done more than many other christians who would be considered saved, to get to know the Lord. Now, thats not to say I am content with his decision to walk away. I want him to put his faith on Jesus again. And it may be so, or not. On our end as believers, we should pray about this for Joe, but also be better studied to have meaningful, thought provoking, dialogue

@Woolburrr

5 ай бұрын

@@johnnyfabian I've never watched this guy, for some reason the deconstruction video popped up on my feed. The problem I'm having is he may have the opposite effect now. When I came to the faith I thought I could go without Church because I noticed how corrupt most Churches were around me and seeing so many "Christians" basically be hypocrites. Because of that I almost chose to follow Islam because I liked the way they carried themselves, only reason I became Christian was because of Jesus Christ of the Bible. Ultimately I realized I needed Church because I was surrounded by the world. So I started a in home Church with a group of people I actually know. I don't trust people I trust God sometimes people know how to talk good and put on good face. That's the vibe I got watching the video, one thing I prayed for was for God to deliver me of my idolatry of my love of people (I noticed I would suppress the truth because I want to be accepted and loved). I'm not shaming him because I don't know him, but the vibe I'm getting is he needs to be more humble because even with his new position he doesn't know 100% I thought I knew when I was an atheist, then I got humbled. Sorry I took awhile to reply I've come down with a sickness

@a.cooper8477

5 ай бұрын

We definitely have to jostle around other believers.

@lovelife8968

5 ай бұрын

​@@a.cooper8477 I have been frustrated with Christianity. But I also couldn't step away. The reason was because I had so many miracles. How could I deny Him. Then come to find out I was frustrated with my own consequence to the sins I committed or My idea of how life should have gone. I had to decide to stop being soft (for lack of better words). Now all these years and I feel behind and it's all my fault.

Dang bro, heartbroken to hear you not feeling God no more… Your “Chase God Webisodes” got me through some dark days in the military. I honestly wouldn’t be where I am in my faith today had it not been for your platform so thank God I found your videos when I did. Though you in a different spot in your life I want you to know you've been an encouragement for me and my walk so thank you. Where ever this next chapter takes you I pray God has His hand in it cause you truly have a gift in teaching His Word brother. Peace and blessings brother Joe P.S. Hope you’ll consider keeping your previous ChaseGodTV videos up or uploading them on a separate channel for others to be blessed by!

Always look forward to your videos Joe! I too am no longer a Christian and it has been extremely helpful and freeing to process my own experience while seeing you process yours. So many things I walk away with after watching your videos. They’ve gotten me through a lot of tough days and a lot of anxiety. Keep up the good work. I promise your videos are impacting a lot of people for the better.

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

this is great to hear!

Joe, I lay here in tears feeling heard and understood by you. Relating to your not making sense of Christians judging. I truly needed these words. Yes, my experience was true and my actions genuine. May I not be one of those questioning myself even further. The grief is enough to carry.

This is the one that grinds my gears THE MOST. It’s arrogant for others to comment on whether or not your faith was “real” and I hate explaining that it was probably more real than theirs. But I came across more information and my desire for truth surpassed my attachment to the faith / fear of leaving. (although leaving wasn’t without fear either)

“It appears to me” that is wilddd Joe you hella funny 😂 and I hated the goosebumps puppet thingy I was beefing with puppets for two years and don’t get me started on “tales from the crypt” 😂. You know the irony of this all God led me to your chaseGodtv KZread to help me understand the Bible more and the Christian journey when I first started I never seen Christian topics broken down the way you did it really helped me either way I’m grateful to have encountered your journey! I love that you wrestle and you are not afraid to wrestle. The videos just keep getting better I love it here ❤😂!

This was a very insightful video, thank you for sharing! (Side note): Love the rendition at the end!! 😂

I think Christians will use the “you were never saved” card because someone who authentically sought the Lord and came up empty handed and decided to pursue other perspectives and ways of looking at the world, is threatening to the manufactured certainty that (typically evangelical) believers are trying to maintain. Your experience disrupts their theology and what they want to be true so they have to come up with a way to explain it away in order to keep the paradigms that they have about the world and about God.

I just want to send you some love and say that we’re here with you on the journey. The beauty of the human experience is that you’re not alone in what you’re thinking or feeling. 🙏🏽💓🤗 (P.S. I miss having a cup of Joe in the morning, we need more of whatever you’ve been singing - it warms our souls 🥹🙏🏽💖☕️💁🏽‍♀️).

I really enjoy these videos. I’m a believer and I started watching because I believe that you were earnestly seeking and chasing God. I continue to watch because I of your honesty about your beliefs and your journey.

Love the consistency ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 routine no joke

To answer your question in 13:53..i think the reason why Christian’s say the whole “you never really believed” comes from 1 John 2:19. That’s so ingrained in us. So then we only think of 2 conclusions when ppl leave the faith..either 1 you were never truly a believer or 2.. your like the prodigal son, strayed and will eventually come back. But i think there’s a 3rd option. You truly believed..and now you don’t.

@mathieublake1670

5 ай бұрын

I believe this too.

@hanzohasashi607

3 ай бұрын

This!!!!

I had forgotten that you publically announced you were no longer a Christian about the time that I was tipping toward deconversion (November 2021). I had followed your content before then, so your story challenged and, ultimately, validated me, even though I didn't quite understand it yet. In retrospect, it helped me see that the unknown outside my faith maybe held some hope. That hope is something that is so threatening to the in-group who, generally with good intentions, monopolizes on hope and meaning, when these are actually incredibly broad human experiences. Thank you for your content and for curating a much needed source of nuance and skepticism!

Joseph, all you’ve said is extremely valid and honest. If as a believer you never questioned your beliefs then I’ll say you’re operating from a cult organization or fear. We are all having a human experience. Where this will lead to we don’t know. Life is unpredictable and we can only trust we are having truth throughout our journey. Continuing to support and trust where you’re going. One thing is for sure and two is certain you’ll reach where you are supposed to. through your videos your heart is honestly always presented as open honest and pure especially in this season of the pulpit. You made me chuckle at “still going to their concerts” because it’s the truth. Wishing you continued wisdom. Heart of love.

I think that the idea of "You either are or aren't saved" makes sense if we view it from an eternal perspective, since--without time--there can be no change, so you are either believer or you aren't. It's absolute. THE PROBLEM is that we don't take into account that we are not living in any sort of eternity. We are still time bound and still changing constantly. NO ONE get's the decide the absolute fate of anyone's faith while we are all still bound by time. It isn't something we get to determine, and it never was. Breaking down this idea further: I think that some Christians take up this idea because when they see someone leaving the faith, there's this strange lack of closure. Like a good story that suddenly ends midway through. Our natural curiosity brings us to make conclusions for ourselves if a satisfactory resolution is not provided. The problem is that (as far as I can tell) there is no, and never will be, an answer that will satisfy. I can see the conclusion of "Oh, well you were never Christian to begin with." can help put the mind more at ease with the fact that the other's journey with God came to (from an outside perspective) a sudden end. This also makes sense for the deconstruction and retrospective autopsy that they often subjugate the other through. It's the result of looking back into the story to see if this "sudden change" was foreshadowed somewhere. They create lines of logic and rationality to make the end more palatable. But that's just it, isn't it: this whole thing is seen as "The end of their faith is The End of the story". It feels as though the narrative simply cannot continue from here. The hero is dead. There is no point. But the story isn't over. "The protagonist" is still alive, still living, still pushing forward. They walked away from the faith, yes, it's very sad, but they are still walking. The story goes on. Keep reading, friend. The story isn't over yet. It is better to be with the person as their journey continues. You may not see eye to eye with them anymore, but the story isn't over and throwing in the towel with a dejected "They were never faithful in the first place." lacks the foresight necessary to continue to be a faithful servant. (Not with the goal of "winning them over again", but simply being a kind and loving as we are called to do.) Such a way of viewing the ordeal is antithetical to the core of the belief. That's my two cents at least.

Hi Joe ex-Christian as well, have you experienced Close Christian friends who distanced themselves from you because of your change? And how did you deal with it? Will you discuss that in a video ever?

@Helen-jy6br

5 ай бұрын

Good question!

i enjoy these reflections, one love brother

Your content is actually healing me you don't understand😭😭😭 your shadow of a doubt poem articulated so much of what I was struggling with all those years back. And now I'm finding you again as I'm trying to come to terms with the end of my faith and what that means for my life going foward. Your content has always given me so much hope. From a teenage girl from a very Christian household, thank you

You can talk about whatever you wanna talk about... it's your channel. 😌😊

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

😂

Great analogy (Phantom of the Opera) and the depth of belief and reality. Also, thank you for the unexpected, improvisational song.

I had to watch this video twice! So many things you said had my mind going down all my own rabbit holes. There's so much to unpack when leaving the faith. Been around 3 years for me. All in all, religion is wild man 🤣

really appreciate these insights on your deconversion experience - wondering how this journey has impacted your creative process and identity as an artist?

i've really been enjoying your vids! idk what it is tho, i still hear God on you... and i know it could be in part that christianity has made a large majority of your life/how it was shaped, but i still enjoy hearing your evolving perspective cause i know it's taken a lot of time and reflection ✨🙏🏾

hey joe! thanks for the honesty and vulnerability! i'm sorry that all these christians online have tried to dismiss your experience being a christian. i still believe in jesus and i'm thankful for all your videos over the years and even though you don't believe anymore, i'd still like to support ya in all your artistic endeavors! much love fam✌🏾

I don't have a big presence on KZread - haven't ventured over here yet, but I do host a Top 25 percent Podcast called Listen then Speak, I would love to have you on as a guest and just chop it up on this topic. I appreciate your honesty and candor on this and these conversations are the one Christian's tend to avoid but that need to be had. Holla back my guy - grace and peace

Hey Joe! This is my first time commenting on any of your videos even though I have followed for years and have been blessed by many of videos you have done. I think you are in an interesting place in your life's journey and it'd be great to know more. My hope is that you'd share a bit more about the parts of your former faith that has no meaning anymore. You mentioned in a previous video that "the math doesn't math" and personally, I'd like to know what specific aspects actually crumbled your faith for you. Now this is just a request, you are free to do what you want to do 😅 but I'm genuinely seeking to know what (aspects) destroyed the whole thing for you. I also hope that you'd get to see this. 😊 Thanks a lot!

@chewychiwi

4 ай бұрын

Please forgive me if I'm asking about something you've addressed before. Kindly (or anyone in the community that can help incase Joe doesn't get to see this) point me in the right direction so I can watch to better understand. Thanks! 😊

I tried to get this to go through before(twice) so forgive me if its a dupe, just wanted to throw this out. I honestly believe that at the very heart of it is fear. So many of us (Christians )have doubts that we uncomfortably yet proudly suppress. Ive often wondered what was on the other side of my doubts. To have followed you and then see where your journey led scared the hell out of me lol so i initially too maybe he was never saved(so sorry) but i needed to quiet the doubts that started screaming louder when you went public. Now here I am pouring over video oscillating between enlightenment and confusion. Like seriously how do people not know? I mean i cant unsee/hear these things now. I feel like i gotta be missing something. Anyway i digress lol! I think your journey just scares Christians and they dont know what to do with it. btw.I cant thank you enough for your courage because you could have chosen not to share. I look forward to your videos..

Brother, wonderful video. I have recently been struggling with faith but I am not giving up on Jesus regardless of my external circumstances. This is the first video of yours I have seen and I want to delve deeper into why you left which I will do after leaving this comment. I just wanted to comment and share my view on a couple questions you had, first about Christians being like "you were never saved" and all that malarky and truth be told I truly believe this comes from a form of self righteousness, and although Christians admit they aren't righteous that isn't to say we aren't susceptible to view none Christian's as "less righteous" as it were. I say this because I have realised this in my own life recently and believe it is almost a pandemic in the church currently. I respect your views and your positive outlook on your history of faith, you seem super genuine. A second point I would like to make is regards to your view of only Christians having the "you never believed" mentality, as I do believe it stems broader and infects Islam and other religions, as people change. However as you created a Christian circle and have most likely consumed mostly Christian content it's inevitable to only see it from the Christian viewpoint rather than from a birds eye view. That being said I do think we as believers in Christ can be the worst for it, which again, results back to self righteousness of sorts. Lastly, I just pray you'll have peace and understanding whether you continue on your path or return to the faith, is your choice. God bless, Ben

I enjoyed watching and hearing your retelling of the John the Baptist story

Your experience is perplexing lol beautifully, intricately perplexing. Uncomfortable for a lot believers because it’s hard to reconcile. And discomfort leads some to defense…I was speaking with a friend and expressing that Christians have been taught well how to save people, but not so much how to simply do life w/ people. Regardless of where their path leads them. You add color and warmth to something that once was only bleak and gray. It’s enlightening and challenging and uncomfortable..and I’m here for it lol beautifully perplexing…

Hey Joe, I was wondering if you plan on making a video about dating and romantic relationships Post-Christianity? Would love to hear your thoughts and perspective.

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

possibly!

You have such a special place in my heart Joe! And, I am confident that God will use every bit of your journey for His purposes. I pray that people don't hinder the transformative journey you're on. You will remain on my heart and in my prayers. You will have to ignore the Pharise-like remarks! We know that Jesus Christ contended with the very same judgement. But, there is safety, love and the ability navigate your unique journey in the way that best suits you...when it comes to the true manner in which God fathers/mothers us. We are all different and He knows this. He knew what you, as His son, would need. I have no doubt at all about how your story ends. You are going to continue to be used mightily! Keep pressing! Don't lose heart! Retain the faith that you have (you only need a mustard seed in size) and leave room for God to blow your mind on this journey. Love you brother!

There were many takeaways in this video in connecting from your previous one, but from leaving the religion perspective of Christianity to obtaining a personal experience of Christianity I’ve started to see the orchestration of how the world operates in polarity/duality. On one side under religion in Christianity, it’s codependent to gaining external validation of a savior exists so to leave their state of misery will save them from going to hell and heading to heaven. Yet in the other side of maintaining personal experience in Christianity (in my perspective) is spiritually independent apart from maintaining internal validation of what an individual experiences is their reality. It's been a tough conflict to deal with, but as you've mentioned you can't go back from what you've experienced, but you can be creative from it. Also you can be an alchemist in taking your experiences and transmute your pain into purpose without waiting to seek external validation. Instead you can maintain your inner knowing that you're right where you're heading, just keep evolving and help others when you can along the way.

Too many points i wish to respond to, because i relate so much with what you said here + in the earlier ones. I wish i can be so clear like you, in 'defending' yourself for taking this path. Perhaps, for me, I saw my deconversion as something I did not choose - or did I? You see what I mean? 🤣 Even now, im ambivalent about whether I still consider myself a follower or believer. Precisely because I won't know what's going to happen down this road, I can't be dead certain about this substance called faith. I see this challenge as the limitations of language. Anyway, here's my take on why that typical retort, and I agree that it's happening in other spaces too, anytime there's a community with allegiance to a particular worldview or belief system, and yes the first person to gaslight myself is ME. I think the greatest injustice of Religion is that it's keeping people veiled from trusting ourselves. We are always looking to others to tell us who or what to place our stakes upon, we're told to do this and do that failing which of course it's our fault for falling away. It shakes them that the foundation of the faith can be shaken for certain ones and responding that way is more to keep themselves convinced they're doing everything right, so that they're still 'safe'. There's still so much more to write but I'll end here. I do realise my tone is we versus them even as it's not my intention to pit any war against anyone, least of all to shame anyone for wanting to feel safe - I was in that camp before, I tried to want to stay so badly.

@Helen-jy6br

5 ай бұрын

Felt this🙌🏾 heavy on the “..religion keeps us from trusting ourselves”

The ending 😂😂😂😂😂When your intrusive thoughts win lmbo.

The last look on your face before the video ends looks exactly like how I felt, circa 2012. I know that look all too well. Don't despair, bro. And don't disconnect. Would love to talk to you 1:1 sometime. Do you ever do livestreams with your viewers?

Your signing voice is so good!

Concerning the personal experience topic. I so agreee and hate when they start with the "but God said...". My reply is always "and thats great that he told you that, he just never told that to me." Your experience is not my experience 🤷‍♂️. Well said.

[13:38] To be honest, i think the dismissal comes from fear. It's my opinion o but what I guess is going on when some christians dismiss people who have left the faith is an awareness they get that let's them know that this is beyond them. I think it's the same with getting dismissed when you say you are deconstructing your faith. Because i think in some sense, they might be on a faith journey where they hold on so tightly to what they know and believe that the moment anything comes to shake that, it seems like it is a "threat" to their own growth. It doesn't fit with what they know or what they've known so it's shaky. Somehow i think that it's like there's a fear that a person stepping away from the faith might make them fall or pull them into something they don’t want to go through. Or, may even make them question what they believe. But my own questions are 'why is it a threat?'; 'why do you think their journey can pull you down?'; 'why are you afraid to question what you believe about God?' and 'why is that person's journey all of a sudden about you?' I have more thoughts but, I'm just going to pause here and soak this all in. Please process in all the ways you need to. I think it's a complex journey to be on- the scrutiny from others, maybe even sometimes feeling like you need to defend yourself to others to show how genuine you are or, maybe because you might be your only defender. Also, I'm learning a lot from these videos and constantly listening and thinking through things. So thank you and continue to be well.

If Covid never happened....I would probably still be a believer. There is something to be said about taking time away from the Echo Chamber that is constantly reinforcing those beliefs.

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

fair point

@jacliveshere

3 ай бұрын

That same thing happened to me when I finally broke away from the need for modern churches and went on my own journey. I was able to think independently and it led to an eventual deconversion.

I think the answer is deeper... "If you Joe was once a Christian and now a non believer, that means that me, who is a Christian right now could possibly become like you. However, if you were never a chrisatian to begin with it means that I can never be an atheist". Idk if u get what I'm getting at

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

absolutely track with you. i definitely think that’s part of it. i think that may apply to people who followed my work, for sure. i’ve had people admit that to me. i had to wrestle with that on my own when i was a christian and saw other people leave the faith. like “am i next??” but then there’s a ton of people who clearly are not familiar with me and that’s still their knee jerk reaction lol. so idk.

People think I got to leave the constraints of Christianity to be free ,when they’re really going into the restraints of the world to be slaves . 🌎. - Joseph Murray

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

lol ok

Dang I feel old!! I remember Goosebumps!! 🤣🤣

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

YOU feel old?! 😂

@brittanyelisejohnson7992

5 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelings 😆😆😆I love the nostalgia…growing up as a kid in the mid/late 90s were good times! I’m apart of the “Oregon trail” generation…iykyk 🤣🤣🤣

I’m a believer and I struggle with my doubts. Im not going to do a long message about it. I probably do a video. Excuse me for what Im about to say next. I didn’t watch this full video before I drew up the comment. I truly believe you believed in God and the Christian beliefs once a upon of time. If you did not, Chase God TV wouldn’t exist at all. That’s your past. Your current life now doesn’t represent the Christian faith no more. For the ones who is doubting it’s not the end of the world. Ask questions, be open with your doubts and have people walk along aside with you during that time. It won’t change over night. It probably take years to go through it.

I used to read the Goosebumps books too but that show and Are You Afraid of the Dark? was where I drew the line. I don’t need a live action version of these scary stories because it was scary enough when it played out in my imagination while reading. As soon as either one of those shows came on I changed the channel lol. As far as the scripture in 1 John chapter 2, I think people say that because it clearly states that anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ is against Christ. John was very black and white with his thinking. Either you with us or against us. John was one of Jesus’s besties though. He hung out with the man. He was like “I believe cuz I know what I experienced and saw. I’m telling y’all what I know and I ain’t no liar.” To him, the proof that you never believed was that you let go of the belief because if you can let go of it, you couldn’t have had it for real. Nowadays, I think it’s more complex than that. None of us have ever seen Jesus face to face. Our experience with Him is still personal like John’s but not physical so I can see how some people be like “this dude Jesus a whole catfish.” People leaving the faith, who were once “on fire for God” makes you question your own relationship with God as well as how stable it is. You start feeling like “well if he seemed so confident in his relationship with God and he left, what does that say about me?” I think people have to worry about themselves. Don’t let whatever decisions others make about their faith, affect yours. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Cultivate your own intimate relationship with God and be who He’s called you to be. Let God be the judge of people’s hearts. Let God do His job of drawing people to Him however He chooses and don’t hinder that by misrepresenting Jesus cuz your fruit of the Spirit rotten or nonexistent.

😢 this just makes me so sad. 😢 even though I can't walk in your shoes of doubt. I can't even find words to say to you but I'm still rooting for you joe.

Do you have a video where you take us on your journey to why you don't believe Christianity is real? That would be great to see your point of view and could be helpful in giving folks answers they may need to find peace who are also on a similar journey like yours. Ppl(including me😂)

My question, not to judge. I'm trying to understand and may not ever. However, how can one pray and fast and still leave Christianity? When the purpose was " I need to figure out how to leave".

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

“how can one pray and fast and still leave christianity?” sounds like that’s up for you to decide. that dissonance may exist in you, but not me. but my purpose was not “i need to figure out how to leave.” i actually said the opposite in this video.

@crespeakslife

5 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelings oh I see. I'll keep watching thank you for clarifying. This is helping me and how I minister to people. Appreciate you❤️

Your video is really cool by the way. I'm only halfway through

It makes them feel safe. It’s what some people tend to do when they want to be sure that it can’t happen to them.

When one rejects the one TRUE light of the Lord Jesus Christ, that's in this world, the only other place one has to go is darkness. I'm praying that you come back to the light before it's too late. Time is short. Much love

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

nah i’m good

@michaelmatsoukas222

4 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelingsI understand ... But still praying for you.

Telling me what God said in a book is no different than telling me what the Oz said. It's great that Dorothy had an experience with the Oz and can confirm he exists but I've never met the Oz just as I've personally never had an experience with God for me to believe his existence at least not in the manner of the stories told in the Bible. Its just words on a paper until I've personally had that experience. Maybe one day I will, but as for now...

Oftentimes, from what I’ve seen, the Christian claims that because someone left the faith “they were never a TRUE Christian” is moreso a deflection meant to defend their own stance. If it’s really possible that someone can be a true Christian and leave the faith for good reasons, then that calls into question the validity of their own worldview and security of their faith. It’s a scary thing to confront within themselves so in order to avoid that existential crisis, they project that doubt onto someone else.

To be fair the reformed theology group which I believe you were a part of was inevitably going to say " you were never one of us". Because that part of their doctrine , so there was no way around that when it comes to them. But not all Christians share that perspective. Someone shared Chase God with me many years ago. All I can say is I enjoyed that content and thats all. Its not my place or do I have any authority or capability to judge anyones heart or intent.💗

I'd love to see you talk to Preston Perry.

lol! The way you started the video was exactly on my mind. I’m like is he low key still obsess with Jesus bc if you broke up with God and constantly still talking Him it’s giving obsession. You need to seek Him bc the desire is still there

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

i am obsessed with the idea of religion, how humans arrive at ultimate truth, how we make sense of suffering, and making sense of my own current and past life. yes, in that regard jesus is at the intersection of all of that. if i was obsessed with him in some literal religious or metaphysical sense, i’d just be a christian, and no one is stopping me from doing so.

@jacliveshere

3 ай бұрын

So when women have been harmed by abortion and still talk about it years later to help people this means they need to return to it and have more of that experience? Okay. 🙃

What lead you away from Christianity brotha? What were your beliefs?

I think this is a feeling of anger and sadness that only some can understand. Something was done to or taken from this man that's making him feel like this. I'm angry for him. I'm angry that whoever or whatever hurt him. I'm angry that maybe he's suffering but because of his pain, no one can reach him. People like this need to be reminded of God's love. The church often pushes angry people out because they don't know how to handle them. We sit back and look at him and think "I don't want to be like him" but the reality is there are A LOT of people out there like him. I hope he doesn't see this video and feel triggered or hurt by what is being said or anything. He seems like he genuinely loved God but along the way was disappointed. It hurts to see this but the enemy is darn good at his job. We gotta get better at ours.

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

lol thank you for the concern fam but no. this is very wrong lol. losing faith was extremely disappointing and saddening. but keyword *was*. i’m not angry at anyone. anger did not drive me away. critical thinking and the courage to follow the obvious did. for some reason many people want me to be angry. maybe that helps with them make sense of people walking away. have i been hurt in the church by church people? yeah sure. who hasn’t? i’ve been hurt by non-christian’s too. that’s life. someone hurting or disappointing me would never reason enough to give up entire worldview or faith. have i been annoyed by people who tried to explain away my experience with easy answers that do not apply to me? yeah but again. i’m not angry. not angry in this video. not angry now. i have many vices, but anyone who knows me knows anger is has not really been one of them.

@misssade2008

4 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelings omg this was literally supposed to go to another post but as I sat writing my novel, I didn't even realize that it had been added to your page by mistake. It was about the ex-pastor that left Christianity on NJ's page. Ughhhh. Anywho, my bad lol, I'm not gonna delete it. I'll just take my L and wear it lol 😆 but I did want to say on another note, I watched about three of your videos today and I've had these kinds of conversations (or tried) with people and I tried to ask questions and get help with things but to no avail. I'm still in the faith and am extremely passionate about it (obvi lol) but I do want to say that there were things you said in your videos that allowed to breath. I felt like I wasn't the only wrestling, trying to hold on, crying out with no response at times. I appreciate you posting about this and hopefully you continue to share your journey. ❤ And again, you can totally delete if you'd like lol but this post was an accident but since it's already been seen, I shall wear my L proudly 😂❤

Are you still spiritually single or scratching at the potential of a higher power? I saw you comment that there’s prayer in your life

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

i will always theoretically be open to a “higher power” or spiritual experience. but i’ve also allowed myself to broaden my definition of “spiritual experience”. the same spiritual experiences i had as a professing christian still happen to me. i still get moments of awe. i still have these waves of peace that surpass my understanding. i still cry tears of gratitude. i still have these ethereal highs when im groups of people who exude love and unity. but these experiences don’t require a submission to or acknowledgement of a supernatural entity.

@irohmeliodas1485

5 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelings maybe a video on spirituality after Christianity? 👀

Lots of interesting points. I'd be afraid to write my own opinions here but I sent you a message and I promise that it's very benign, with no complaints! Take care!

😍❤

"...and y'all keep going to their concerts and stuff..." Messy Joe 🤭🤣

Telling someone their name was never in the Lamb’s Book of Life is crazy work!! Anyhow, I’m gonna have to respectfully ask that you refrain from saying “Let’s go get wet” especially in that deep ahh voice 😤😂 That would be a great song for you to cover though!

Everyone has their own journey to walk in.

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

indeed

Wow. Harsh words to say to someone that you are called to love as a Christian. Out of curiosity, at this time perhaps religious belief is not an option but what do you think the future holds for you? Is your heart open to allowing life to leading you to a different perspective? Not necessarily going back to church or Christianity but to continue searching?

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

oh the journey always continues! i don’t i (or any typical healthy human) will get past that nagging itch to have some understanding or experience of whatever is “transcendent”, even if it is the deepest awe of nature itself. my heart will always remain open to finding the hidden door to god or reevaluating the front door with newer but more burdened eyes. that being said, i have strong doubts i could ever end up back in christianity. i cannot unknow or unexperience what i have. but if i were to find myself snooping around the grave of jesus again, i suspect my relationship to him would be something drastically less dogmatic or captive to any historical or even rational approach to the faith.

Hi Can you give me the percent of the people who are negative and the ppl who are supportive?

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

lol there’s no statistic. but considering majority of people who even care to have opinion about my faith journey are christian, majority of them i would categorize in the negative, even the ones who “support” but view my decision as ultimately negative. i mean, after all, according to most christian’s, no matter how much they love me, i am on my way to eternal fire lol.

@Godwill3

5 ай бұрын

Ok thanks, we’ll I’m a Christian and I don’t believe you are going to fire hell or “hell”. That’s not biblical. Have a great day.

I find the "You were never really a Christian" comment difficult. Because... in a sense, I would agree, and say "yes. I never was." IF, by being a Christian, you mean that I had a relationship with the Real God. Because, I would say that NO ONE is "really" a christian. If you mean that I Truly Believed, with all my heart that it's all true, and had faith, completely, in those "truths".... then, Yes I was a Christain. P.S. As I was writing this, you more or less said the exact same thing....maybe I should've waited til the end of the video to comment.

It’s so funny that Christians use 1 John 4 to talk about those who left Christianity when the verse is actually talking about anti christ. Those who oppose the teachings of Christ. I have never heard you or any atheist say that Jesus didn’t teach some good things right? When we pass if there is a God he isn’t going to ask us if we subscribed to a particular religion, if we worshipped him in a church, or even if we had faith. He’s going to see if we did our best to live a peaceful loving and good life and loved others, it’s really that simple.

Your faith might be gone but best believe your sense of humor hasn't gone with it lol I'm so sorry, I just found some of the humoristic parts funny

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

lol the gaslighting in this video 😂

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

based on your other comment, i’m doubting you actually know what that word means, seeing as you’re essentially doing that. but please, define gaslighting, and then point to where im doing it in this video.

I don't think you ever knew what Christianity was. Orthodox Christianity is the only faith that's not an ahistorical cult. You should look up Father Moses Berry, Father Turbo Qualls, Father Jerome Sanderson.

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

“ i don’t think you ever knew what christianity was.” this is so common for yall. everyone of yall are confident you found the right version of christianity and not finding the right version is only reason why some rejects religion. i don’t simply reject some version of christianity. i reject religion in total. and i’ve also learned that no singular or small group of teachers have the magic monopoly. anytime someone says “oh you just need to listen insert name”, it’s a red flag. even jesus seems to agree with me. “But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”

@solawhiteboarda

4 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelings There aren't "versions" of Christianity. There's just the church. God did give us a savior, and He gave us a faith. To say you rejected religion is just disingenuous. All humans are religious. You either worship God or you worship yourself. All mankind was hardwired to worship.

@flightsfeelings

4 ай бұрын

you conflating humans having religious tendencies and having religion is disingenuous. i believe all humans have religious tendencies. i speak about that often on this channel. my reasoning just is more natural. “you either worship god or worship yourself” is such a false dichotomy. but i know it serves the broader fallacy, which is the “begging the question”. typical christian tendency to try to create the falsely limited conclusion that they will then use to prove themselves right. your surface level apologetic rebuts only works to persuade those already persuaded. which is fine if that’s what you care about. just keep it to yourself.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, Judas was willing to follow Jesus but the flesh could not allow him to, it's not by power or flesh but by the spirit of the living God.

@flightsfeelings

5 ай бұрын

yes, i am judas. 🙄

@earthmuthoni8558

5 ай бұрын

@@flightsfeelings not you alone,most of us are,we want to do the right thing but we find ourselves doing the opposite,as l said before and l will say it again,the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, Judas was repentant on what he did but he was overwhelmed by too much sorrow.

Your experience is so wild. I hate that you have to justify yourself to other people. It's not their business. That actual people of God treated you like that.It's almost as if.... there should be a church for imperfect people. Jesus's best friends weren't the leaders of the church mind you...When did the church start putting judgment and being messy over being a living example of God's love for people?