Such a mature and godly response from a mature and godly brother in Christ. Great job Mike! Very well handled.

@sjeff26

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. This is an solid, mature response. I appreciate that Winger is clearly putting in effort to not burn his bridges and is careful before taking legal action.

@denvercrucifixion5928

2 жыл бұрын

You call Marcus Rogers a brother. We should call you and winger "the equivocators"

@kim.parsons

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree. Thank you, Mike, for your Godly example.

@thecollierreport

2 жыл бұрын

Not mature, cowardly and immoral. You praising him makes the entire Boby of Christ look insipid and Christ like an effeminate wretch, frankly. To let this stand is immoral and wrong. Winger is fearful, not humble, and just came up with a nice patina of "turn the other cheek", because he can't stand when the going gets tough. People like this will renouce Christ if persecuted (not saying Winger will)

@thecollierreport

2 жыл бұрын

@@denvercrucifixion5928 absolutely, that's what they are. Osteen also isn't a Christian and should be handled with a more manly response. All Winger has done is ensure the end of his channel and ministry, which is sad because I like him and most of his content. He needs to wake up and stop being other-worldly

As a lawyer, I think you did the right thing. Litigation is so draining and would absolutely distract you from the great work that you are doing with this channel. You will be more effective for Christ by continuing to produce content than you would by pursuing a lawsuit.

@lucianbane2170

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. Although if it had gotten more publicity, more people would've learned the truth about his teachings too

@davidgoscha3036

2 жыл бұрын

This lawyer concurs 100%!

@kentuckygirl9752

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a paralegal and I agree! It's not worth the time, money or effort.

@micheleh5269

2 жыл бұрын

Francis Chan has also admitted that he struggled with having a large audience, when Jesus would often say things which resulted in masses walking away

@ceciliakirkman7742

2 жыл бұрын

I love that you have honoured Joel Osteen as a brother-in-Christ in so many ways, both, acknowledging that, well, basically he is not heretical, yet lovingly addressing what you have as Scripture has us do. I love your genuine love & care for him in the way you presented the personal message. It has grieved me that, in trying to get "truth to light", as followers of Christ, many of us have failed to love well, & you have just demonstrated that. Just as the Bible specifically exhorts us to speak the truth in love, in drawing a fellow believer to error, it also points out that we watch we don't fall into sin either; after all, our true enemy is not each other, & often, we forget that & fall into the devil's trap of division he has subtly set up for us, in not loving as Christ does & would have us. I often think about the scripture too that speaks about putting things right on the way to court (sorry not quoting it well but it's the same one that reminds us that we are not to judge one another ... 1 Corinthians 6.1-11? ... ) Anyway, all this to say, thank you, for continuing to be scriptural in every area while also "being real" & compassionate. This has been such a blessing to listen to. I haven't "checked in on" your videos for awhile now for pure personal reasons related to where my own spiritual journey has been & I so thank God that I have picked this up tonight as I have often wondered about the balance of ministries similar to this.

When you said this would be bad for the Kingdom of Christ, I was folding laundry listening to this and out loud I yelled YES! I know you’re not perfect, no one is, but I cannot tell you how much I appreciate what a good person you’re being about this situation. That cannot be said for all parties involved. Listen, please please please never stop being you!!!

@charlenewillams5510

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! That's what really got me as well. We need more men like this that seek to make The Word the prominent thing.

@daughteroftheking3220

2 жыл бұрын

Amen got love Pastor Mike. What a great brother in Christ/ teacher we have! Praise the Lord for people like him, whose only agenda is to further the kingdom of God, unlike other parties we know whose intention is corrupt and far from God!

@sheilaboodoo2853

2 жыл бұрын

I can understand how someone could act like this you send them a message and they turn down your message and put it in some corner

@sheilaboodoo2853

2 жыл бұрын

I spent $600 on tickets and if he do not respond to me I will have to ask him back for my money this is Sheila Boodoo

@DiggitySlice

Жыл бұрын

No, you shouldn't "be you". You should be like Jesus. Stop falling for the lies of the world.

"Err on the side of grace", you're a good man Mike and a wonderful teacher and role model too. I hope Joel hears you message.

Mike, I'm a lawyer who teaches copyright at my Christian university, and I think the 70-80% guess is about right. I might be even more confident. Regardless, we talked about this situation in the Communication Law class last semester as a hypothetical for my students to consider. You've done the spiritually mature thing here, though, based on 1 Corinthians, and I appreciate it. Big fan. Keep it up.

@epicon4706

2 жыл бұрын

Joel Osteen’s nephew is their in house counsel.

@stevestevesteve946

2 жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏

@justingary5322

2 жыл бұрын

Oh cool 😎. I wholeheartedly agree with his decision and support it. Well we are in The Last Days before Christ's Return so I'm not surprised we live in a feelings over facts culture. Joel doesn't care about anyone's souls and spirits if he did he'd actually learn God's Word for his congregation and live accordingly. Exactly they're charlatans and wolves in sheep's clothing who love money not quality Christ centered and Scripturally accurate content for people's souls and spirits. AMEN brother Mike Winger I really appreciate the humility he's shown in this situation by not giving into offense unlike Joel Osteen's business money loving so called ministry. Keep uploading these videos dude this channel does great Christ centered and Scripturally accurate content 🙏❤️. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

@jobrown8146

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. It is good to get an outsider's perspective as well.

@sia9907

2 жыл бұрын

You're a good teacher. God bless you.

I’m going through a divorce that my non-believer wife initiated. She left the faith and was unfaithful. I confess that I am angry still. But, your example in this has spoken to my heart. Truth, with love. Seek justice, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Thank you Pastor Mike.

@godswill2260

2 жыл бұрын

God has bigger plans for you brother. Be joyous in trails and tribulations. Amen

@rrjohn5

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry for your pain. May God heal your heart.

@mintyblue3819

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry you're going through this, sincerely, my ex fiancé did me wrong on so many levels. Loved him dearly, still do but not in love big difference. God healed me up, He will get you through this too. "All things work for good to those who love God who are called according to his purpose." Honestly, a lot of good came from the heartbreak. What helped me with my anger was realizing his actions had nothing to do with me & God let it happen for a reason. God bless bro, much love 💙🙏

@Apollos2.2

2 жыл бұрын

Keep the faith Bruce... walk it out, live it out. God can make beauty from ashes! Keep following Jesus and honor him by doing and living by what the Bible tells you.

@Makai77

2 жыл бұрын

I went through a similar situation several years ago. My wife was unfaithful and initiated a divorce. It hurt, deeply. However, I rested in the Lord and stayed faithful to Him. Fast forward a couple years and she comes to realize what she did; how wrong she was. She has since repented... and, after a four year separation, we remarried. A miracle only God could have crafted. I'll pray for you, Bruce Wayne. Keep the faith, brother!

WOW! that was handled with such grace and humility, Mike. I think your message here to Joel is one that we all need to hear about how we handle the entirety of what Jesus did for us. thank you.

Mike, I'm so pleased with the way you handle difficult issues, and how to relate to brothers and sisters who are not walking the line as they should. You set a Christ-like example of how we should treat fellow believers, and even professing believers. Thank you for that, and keep up the great work!

@Jim-wj1dp

7 ай бұрын

WELL DONE GOOD & FAITHFULL SERVANT.❤.

Well done Mike Winger. I am proud of you for walking away and not allowing the whole situation to become a dishonor and mockery of the Lord through feuding with their church. Let them take their haughty seat and we are all praying for your ministry Mike. Keep pursuing to think biblically.

@lesliewilliam3777

2 жыл бұрын

Joeline's business operation is a church? Ya wanna stick by that claim?!

@PerkyBird

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree, well put!

@Ancient-Paths

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, in my opinion what you had done is praise worthy if it was between you and a brother/ sister in Christ. I will say it again, Joel is not a Christian. His preaching and way of life speaks the opposite of the Gospel and and Biblical Theology. He's done injustice to the Gospel for years. He has no clue of the Gospel. You are a very decent man I agree. But you lost a brilliant opportunity to sit down with this false preacher and show him Biblical Gospel 🤗 . Do we realise as Christians how we sometimes loose opportunities to help our friends or families see their need of Christ ? Osteen is not your brother in Christ.

@thecollierreport

2 жыл бұрын

Osteen isn't part of the church. He's a heretic.

This makes me want to be a better person. I was raised in a home with a lot of conflict. I'm still learning in my 30's to give grace and how to respond. My initial response is to hurt back. You can't control people but you can control how you react. Thank you for bringing this forward in a heart felt way. You are a great example for us all.

@saintejeannedarc9460

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, the comments in here are really touching my heart. Brother Mike is setting the bar and bringing out the best in people. Bless you Brittney that you're improving your walk w/ God by seeking to root out a vindictive streak. I did the same thing when I was younger. Someone called me out, I got deeply convicted and prayed hard for help w/ this ugly streak.

@stellaolejar9007

2 жыл бұрын

Brittney, I don't know you but it makes my heart happy and more importantly God, to know that you are being so loving and gracious going forward. God bless your life.

@jewelryart2428

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 48 and still struggle with this. I had a conflict with someone at work recently, and my boss told me, "You're a good person. Not everyone is going to be a good person to you." I feel like someone must have said that to him at some point. I definitely have to work daily to be proactive, not reactive.

@brianwoo8877

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! I remember something profound i heard many years ago.... life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% of how you respond to it. 🤔

@holyexperience1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@jewelryart2428 46 here. Yes, sad folks just want to push buttons, but we get tested daily. All you can do is keep Proverbs in mind and remind yourself to always be the bigger person, especially in this "I speak wothout filter, don't like it, snap out of your sensitivity" generation.....

In essentials, unity. In nonessentials, liberty. In all things, charity. God bless you Mike.

@sabrinalanning1925

9 ай бұрын

Is that a quote or did you coin that? I really like that

@karisfergusson7366

5 ай бұрын

​@@sabrinalanning1925 It's generally attributed to St. Augustine of Hippo

This was very well said. I just had a discussion with a friend about Joel. He thought, I along with many God fearing people, do not watch Joel because we're jealous of him. No no no Joel can keep all that he has as I would not want the wrath God will have. It was wonderful to be able to share this with my friend. We need to continue praying for Joel.

The first thing they wanted was ad revenue? That says everything right there! I was looking for this video the other day and wondered where it went.

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

That's all Osteen is interested in.

@daughteroftheking3220

2 жыл бұрын

He is into the wrong motives. He wants the followers/fame and the money that is why he is using God’s name to acquire all this. He doesn’t care if he has to do anything unbiblical to get these materialistic things such as tickling people’s ear so they stay in their sins and watering down the Gospel so he doesn’t lose people. It is a shame. But we all know that people like him will fall very quickly as the Lord sees their intention. He will reap what he sows.

Love you Mike, I disagree with how Joel's church is handling this, but I completely agree with how you're handling it. The litigious nature of our society is a problem, and I believe your decision much more accurately reflects a heart of Christ than a lawsuit would. I'll miss you and your content over the next week. God bless you and your ministry!

@rickspalding3047

2 жыл бұрын

Joel is a clown

@andrewcramer9200

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickspalding3047 But not the fun kind. Unless someone is scared of clowns. Joel is scarier though.

@rickspalding3047

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewcramer9200 he seems possessed, I would love to see how he acts behind closed doors, alas, that's between him and god

Beautiful. You explained this so eloquently and may it bring conviction to Joel. He needs to hear this 💕

Well done Pastor Mike. I believe that you heart is definitely in the right place, and that your intentions are not to mock or humiliate, as we see so often, but to lovingly reach out to a fellow brother in Christ. God bless you sir.

I have a relative who was experiencing depression. She saw Joel on TV. She said Osteen "positive" messages brought her up out of the darkness. Now, she then came to church, accepted Jesus, she stopped listening to Osteen, was water baptized, and no longer follows him.

@Deepthoughts4ever

2 жыл бұрын

That happened to me as well. Ya gotta start somewhere.

@majorhavoc9693

2 жыл бұрын

Why did she stop listening to Osteen?

@francinewilliams1676

2 жыл бұрын

Even Jesus said the man healing in my name who is not against you is to be considered for you. That is partly why Peter called Paul a brother, while never acknowledging as an apostle. Paul had a parallel minstry, even his own apostles & disciples. Peter warned in the same passage that theologians would further twist Paul's confusing words into false doctrines & thus lead many off into destruction, something that even Jesus warned about. If someone is healing & using Jesus' name, do not judge the healer, but discern whether the fruits are good. Someone may come out of darkness due to Olsteen's sermons, but once partially out darkness, that person may be able to find the narrow path truly leading to Christ at the gate. Imperfect, even off the path people may redirect the Chosen toward the Kingdom.

@megan1445

2 жыл бұрын

God can make good out of something bad.

@z_nytrom99

2 жыл бұрын

@@majorhavoc9693 Read Hebrews 5:12-14 and you'll have your answer.

This whole video I couldn’t stop looking at how much your shirt looks like the bookshelf😂😂 Love ya Bro, great show of class/maturity as always💪💯

@jkadofo

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@HagerVids

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@patgessner1853

2 жыл бұрын

Lol exactly!

@lisamatousek7953

2 жыл бұрын

me too! lol

@jobrown8146

2 жыл бұрын

I was only listening then came back to read the comments. I agree it does except that there are some "books" leaning in his shirt. He needs to put some like that in the bookcase to match the shirt.

I remember the video and it was really eye opening. I’m glad you’re letting it go , Joel was good for me during a time that I was beginning to seek the Lord , but as my faith and knowledge grew , I grew out of the Joel Osteen messages.

@PUGLIA_JO

2 жыл бұрын

Which is exactly what Joel’s messages (as much as I can tell) are for. They are not meant to get into the meat of the word. The structure of their church is for Bible study and life groups to dive deeper and for their congregation to grow. He is trying to catch more flys with honey instead of vinegar. That’s why this video and his original are pointless and nonsensical.

@TheLincolnrailsplitt

Жыл бұрын

​@@PUGLIA_JO Are you kidding me? Word Faith teaching has little to do with traditional Christian teaching but rather secular, feel-good motivational speaking. Mike and other solid Christian pastors have exposed how Joel uses eisegsis when using scripture.

Thank you Mike for being brave and calling out false teachers which is Biblical. I think Joel's and Lakewood church's response says much as to what kind of people they are. Keep up the good work and fighting the good fight. You are glorifying God.

@Closereveryday

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! We need to pray for them

@john5389

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Also, I agree with your statement of Joel as a false teacher. I disagree with Mike on his assessment regarding him as a brother. Slippery slope.

@vetgmacatmomfl2055

Жыл бұрын

Like when the hurricane happened and doors were not opened to God's children.

Pastor Mike: “I play by the rules, I don’t expect anymore strikes” *David Wood has joined the chat*

@hannahtedeschi673

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@tobynobel5671

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly lol. David is leaving KZread.

You're wisdom in how you are letting go of this issue is admirable, instead of drawing it out and presenting a divided front of Christianity to the world you are being patient, you are handling this like a mature adult, which is refreshing during this time of back and forth copyright lawsuits. God bless you

@cinystarr4657

2 жыл бұрын

While Osteen operates by the very emotions he preaches against

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

If Joel Osteen as you Mike seem to believe, why does Joel preach a prosperity Gospel only and not the True Biblical Gospel ? Mike , please don't soft peddle Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen needs to hear the True Biblical Gospel Mike.

@phillipgraf4856

2 жыл бұрын

@@marianel7630 rewatch from 8:00 to 8:42. He literally says the exact same thing you just said about how Joel's teachings don't match his personal belief. How is that soft pedaling for Joel?

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

@@phillipgraf4856 I will do . Thank you.

@superapostle4811

2 жыл бұрын

Mike should let it go because he’s in the wrong.

You’re a genuinely good person Pastor Mike. Keep teaching, preaching and caring for the body of Christ!

Well done Mike! I love your spirit about this: logic, truth and love yet how you stood firm on true doctrine. Your message to Joel was beautiful.

Bringing a copyright strike against a fellow Christian acting in good faith says all I need to know about Osteen, even if I had never watched a single one of his motivational speeches (they are not sermons).

@AviViljoen

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@bevfitzsimmonds3382

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.

@kaitlynkarol4600

2 жыл бұрын

So right you are! Joel acts like the mega-church elitist Mason he is behind the scenes w/ his pedo buddies at the Vatican while he smiles his big Pepsident-mega smile to the public world. He lives a double life and this is why Mike is not being heard or contacted by Mr Joel O! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see through this LO-JO game!

@bernicesosa566

2 жыл бұрын

The devil wants you to believe the wrong gospel!!

@AviViljoen

2 жыл бұрын

@@bernicesosa566 There is only one gospel.

I really appreciate the efforts made to handle this in a Christ-honoring and professional manner. Unbelievers are watching us and making opinions about Christ based on how His followers behave. I think your approach is a great example of how to manage a very challenging situation.

@corinneperegrini6003

2 жыл бұрын

Amen🙏

@pfcspencer11b

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly how Christ would have handled it. Our gains/rewards are not of this earth.

@corinneperegrini6003

2 жыл бұрын

@@pfcspencer11b Amen🙏

@ready1fire1aim1

2 жыл бұрын

2D shape-names vs 3D shape-names for calculating our 4th dimension (4D current physical reality/planetary stereoma): Earth 'is' a 4D "circle" (2D shape-name); a "Quinternion". Earth 'is not' a 4D "sphere" (3D shape-name); a "Hypersphere". 2D = circle 3D = sphere 4D 'circle' = quinternion 👍 4D 'sphere' = hypersphere 👎 Dimensional shape-names are causing confusion. Making people think our 'contingent' universe is 3D instead of 4D. 2D shape-names for calculating 4D, 3D shape-names for calculating 5D. "Transcending dimensions" (Jacob's Ladder 🪜). 0D: point 1D: length/line 2D: shape-name + L/W "circle/flat earth". 3D: shape-name + L/W + depth "sphere/globe earth". 4D: L/W/D + time; current, 'contingent' (not simulated) reality "quinternion earth". 5D: (H1) 6D: (H2) 7D: (H3) 8D: (H4) 9D: (H5) 10D: (H6) 11D: (H7) Empyrean: (God's Abode) Solved Religion (fragments/avatars) and metaphysics (Geometry/Dimensions) and Libertarian World Peace (livestream bodycams). Good luck proving Pataphysics 😆. Google 'quinternion' images/info, please. That's us, here and now. World Peace Time ⏳.

@pfcspencer11b

2 жыл бұрын

@@ready1fire1aim1 I fail to see how any of this is relevant

"...the Bible has correction for you." Amen. That's not just for Joel; that's for ME.

Wise as a serpent...gentle as a dove. And humbly truthful. Well done Winger.

if he would just preach the Gospel instead of worshipping money, none of this stuff would’ve happened to begin with. PREACH. THE. GOSPEL. JOEL.

@lindajohnson4204

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, he doesn't want to. Not "nice" enough.

@buildtolove

2 жыл бұрын

How can he preach if he doesnt know?

@Marlaina

2 жыл бұрын

The Gospel doesn’t put the butts in the seats and the money in his account. Mike might see him as a brother but I *don’t* There is no repenting of his new age law of attraction and heart for sinners to love God for Who He is and not what He can do for them.

@nigelfuller1840

2 жыл бұрын

Pagans can’t preach the Gospel, because they don’t know the Gospel.

@sherylmccollum895

2 жыл бұрын

He is part of the evil system of this world. He is apart of the apostate church

Thank you for your humility, honesty, and transparency. In a Friday 20 Questions not too long ago, someone asked how we could pray for you. You answered for sleep and for wisdom. You are on my prayer list, and I pray these things for you weekly. Grace and peace to you!

@thecollierreport

2 жыл бұрын

I pray for courage, because this move was fear based, Osteen is breaking the law and Winger is enabling that. Winger WILL lose his channel because now his enemies know he is gutless and weak. Sad

@rhondajoy320

2 жыл бұрын

@@thecollierreport while I respect your point from the eyes of the natural, I do believe he is wise not to ‘die on this hill.’ It’s a distraction. The Truth speaks volumes….Jesus would have done the same thing.

@thecollierreport

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhondajoy320 your claim "Jesus would do the same thing" indicates your arrogance, you don't speak for Jesus. This isn't about dying on some hill. This is being a good Steward as this can, and will, result in losing his channel. Jesus would throw the tables over.

@rhondajoy320

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonreed2116 thank you so much. Bless you. The Truth sets us free. ❤️

@rhondajoy320

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonreed2116 thank you for sharing simple and Godly wisdom. It had blessed me more than you know. ❤️ God bless you my sweet brother in Christ. Seriously…..simple life lesson but life changing!

As a fellow minister and KZreadr, I believe you acted with wisdom.

Mike, thank you for all you do to help us in our growth and learning about God's Word.

The open letter to Joel is the most significant part of this video. You have approached Joel with so much love that I’ve never seen anyone else do. Thank you so much for leading by example ✝️🙏❤️ God Bless You!

Anyone that Has an ounce of discernment can see right through him and his teachings.

@tedrowell659

2 жыл бұрын

Joel Osteen is a judgement from God on his followers. They are collecting false teachers who tickle their ears telling them exactly what they want to hear. God is giving them exactly what their hearts desire.

@jakeeasterday1663

2 жыл бұрын

Yet today it seems as rare as those who open God's Word and read it. But this channel and those like it give me hope!

@megan1445

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakeeasterday1663 Agreed. They go hand in hand. You can't have discernment if you do not study the Word of God.

@mzbeabout

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Osteen or Winger?

@janestephens7062

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry I was talk about J.O . I meet him back in late 70s back his dad was still alive in South Texas. There was always something I felt was not right about Joel could put my finger on it at time but I was a new Follower back then.

Prayers to you brother Winger, blessings to the work your do and your evangelizing on KZread.

Thank you… You are so spot on with everything you’ve said here. I pray that Joel would humble himself to listen to this message and open his ears to hearing the truth behind what you’re saying. He will be held accountable for how he is shepherding his sheep and that’s not something to take lightly at all.

Once again, when under fire, you have shown yourself to be gracious, full of integrity, above reproach and more than fair. You are a true gentleman, Mike, and I'm proud to call you a brother in Christ. Thank you for being willing to tell Joel and all of us hard truths. Much love from Slovakia 💗

I praise God for raising up mature, knowledgeable brothers such as you Mike, particularly at this time when so much deception has entered the church. Thinking biblically has been life changing for me. The way ahead becomes clear when it is illuminated by the full counsel of God’s Word. God bless and keep you my brother 🙏

Glad I saw the video before it was taken down. Thank you for the time and thought you put into all your videos.

I love your sense of humor here…I definitely LoL’ed when you said that you decided to “let it go” 😅 I had listened to that video when you first posted it, and learned SO much! It really helped me think through the fog that Joel creates with his nice-sounding misuse of scripture. At first I was disappointed to hear that Lakewood is getting away with censorship of your channel, but I, like many others here, am also quite impressed with your Christ-like manner of handling this situation. It speaks volumes and shows us your solid character. Thank you for setting such a great example to me and many others. God bless you, Mike!

Mike, that is a very well put, mature, and godly response. This was my first exposure to your ministry, it is great to hear a biblical response to wrong teaching that does not degenerate into playground insults or worse. Thank you.

@bevfitzsimmonds3382

2 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@cooljen94

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I love about this channel...speaking the truth in love. ❤️🙏🏻

Totally understand, Pastor Mike! Very well said. Even though the video is gone I found the audio online and will be listening! If they wanted it removed you must be doing something right! ❤️ But again, good decision!

Your heart, which God knows, is laid bare and how beautiful it is in this situation. Your response and reaction has had much more impact-eternal impact….on the souls of your audience. This revelation of your kind reaction is MUCH more worthy than any win with Joel; for you have already ‘won.’ Keep doing your thing Mike.

Amen brother. "To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong?" 1st Cor 6:10.

You have truly displayed the heart of a Christian. Such a Biblical response. Wow, I pray I will forever remember the principles you have shared. God’s surely been good.

Mike, you are such an honest and mature teacher. What great perspective you have. Sorry, this has happened. We support you!

Dear Pastor Mike, Thank you so so much for the work that you do with your online Bible study! Your teachings are amazing, your level of thoroughness and care over reading through the supporting scriptures are just so detailed, and you just display careful handling of God‘s word! I thank God for you and pray for you on a regular basis, that your ministry continues, and also that your spirits are uplifted. Your analysis of his teaching errors must have been spot on to draw this kind of response. So please be encouraged to keep up the great work you’re doing and I pray for God's strength and defense and provision and joy in your life and ministry.

Do not stir up contention among the brethren, if your neighbor offends you forgive them. Do no grumble, do no gossip and understand there are those greeting at the gates of heaven and others greeting from the inside quarters. Neither is greater than the other and all positions are important. You may reach some whom Joel could not reach and he no doubt reaches some who you could not reach but all who are reached are intended children of the most high. In love just drop it...and forget it.

I can’t believe their ministry is even doing such a thing. It so anti biblical, seems like more of a business than a ministry at this point. Trying to not have their “image” hurt and gain monetary compensation at the same time. Can’t see the Christ centered values in how they handle things.

@tashriquemoodley6699

2 жыл бұрын

You need more eagles in your lyyff

@mlp023

2 жыл бұрын

The business is obvious in his ministry.

@sophiabrown9747

2 жыл бұрын

I was even shocked that he would ask for money goes to Show the heart of men is evil

@shiniquajones2812

2 жыл бұрын

You will know them by their fruit

@maddworld3317

2 жыл бұрын

Good ol Joel . .taking the LOW ROAD in God's name

I’m so glad that I found you. You are a wonderful example of a Christian following God and trying to make him proud. I’m happy that you are on KZread and to have you in my life. You are right, some people are following God just to receive, but not to give. That’s not a relationship that God desires. God bless you Mike

I watched this when you first posted the video. But I was reading through 1st Corinthians 6 today and literally the first verse speaks on this topic. So, I obviously just had to come back here and mention that and say you made the right decision. I am truly blessed by you and blessed to study under you (even though it's just over the internet and from these videos 🤣)

You inspire me Mike, just the way you handled this situation so Christ like, I really learned a lot. Thank you brother, please continue to keep your eyes on the Lord

It's tough when the other party decides not to listen or have a conversation. You handled this better than I would have.

@maddworld3317

2 жыл бұрын

I thought this way too but I've seen God sort of override my own spirit and change me to see or feel differently than I otherwise would have. People I never thought I'd be able to pray for - give it to Him & ask Him to work in you :D (and I still fail in this with others like political leaders etc)

This is why I love you dude. Level headed, smart, and most importantly, a great role model for Christianity.

My goodness. My Lord. How loving and compassionate a rebuke Mr. Mike Winger gives. I desire to be as such and glorify God and my salvation because of his grace and mercy towards me. I desire to have such a humble and forgiving spirit. This open letter brought tears to stream down my face. What a beautiful lesson. Thank you, Mike. Brilliant simply brilliant.

High ground, Pastor Mike. We will all stand and give an account for the things done. Please continue to speak the whole counsel of God. Amen

This is one of the most humble and truthful and loving correction have probably witnessed in my 32 years I’ve been saved. What a beautiful example of what this type of conversation should look like wow 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤️❤️❤️❤️

@BitsyBee

2 жыл бұрын

If it were beautiful and loving, he'd make his "corrections" in private and not on KZread....besides, what authority does he have to correct anyone? Does Olsteen work for him?

@tam4givin

2 жыл бұрын

@@BitsyBee He tried to do it in private, Joel will not obey God and let him.

@tam4givin

2 жыл бұрын

@@BitsyBee What authority to correct? God tells us to reason together, correct, even rebuke when needed. And He tells us to welcome right Godly rebuke. John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment. Galatians 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. The Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs” (Matthew 7:6). A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets. . . . By their fruit you will recognize them” (verses 15-16). How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we have the ability to make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus is giving us permission to tell right from wrong. Jesus gives a direct command to judge: “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly” (John 7:24). Here we have a clue as to the right type of judgment versus the wrong type.

This was delivered with so much grace and empathy. I hope he receives this

This is the first video I have seen of yours. I have so much respect for what you just did. This is how you should approach this situation! Well done.

I would've been upset about this situation. God bless you for showing us true humility 🙏 I'm a new subscriber and look forward to seeing more content.

I really hope Joel watches this whole video and contacts Mike. Constructive criticism is not a bad thing, and the points and concerns Mike made both in this video and the one he's talking about are valid. I applaud Mike for staying humble through this.

What a lovely-and loving-message to Joel. I’m so thankful God put you and your gifts in front of me. All the best, Mike!

Kudos to you Mike for doing what IS right. May the Lord lead Joel O. to have a godly conversation with you and or someone else for that matter. The message you spoke to him at the end is pretty solid AND kind. I pray Joel realizes you and your ministry are coming from a place of love. I pray for you, may the Lord continue to protect you and your family by Him giving you His peace, joy, wisdom and discernment daily. Keep up the great work. I have learned and have been encouraged every single time I listen to your podcasts/KZread videos to read God’s Word. Thank you!

Dear pastor Mike I so appreciate your deep humility, clear sensible right spirited comments and reasoning. Thank you so much for your labor In the Lord. Your words and spirit speak well you are learning from Jesus. 🙌 Blessings.

He’s a motivational speaker that’s what he preaches to motivate

Just a reminder: You can still pray for Olsteen's repentance and to allow criticism (if that's what he is not doing.) You can also pray for him to become more biblical in his teaching. Not a court case, but potentially more effective (if God chooses to hear us.)

I love your content and you hit the nail on the head with everything you said about Joel and his teachings. Exactly what I thought about him from the beginning. Thank you so much for your biblical teaching.

God bless you brother Mike, your loved ones, and your YT ministry

Long time viewer although I’ve never commented. I wanted to say I so appreciate the way you handled this situation, that one of your main considerations was to not bring negative attention or publicity onto Christianity. It shows a genuine maturity and love and Grace in you and your ministry. God’s blessings on you.

Honestly the Joel Osteen video was really needed and the way you broke down his distortion of bible was so kindly and thoughtfully done. Says enough that liquid church wanted the ad revenue from the video initially. At the end teachers will be judged more harshly so there's that. So much respect for your reasons not to pursue this, God bless Mike.

@HopeKuhn

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed it was a good video, which is why I actually have it on my channel-copyright free version 😎👌🏻. And Pastor Mike is cool with it 🙏🏻

I have never seen your channel, would have loved to see your original video. I have strong feelings about this topic for many personal reasons. Your attitude is exactly what it should be. Thank you for doing what you know to be good & right. The man with the money is the one who wins in court most often because they can afford those lawyers that know what to do to win, God Bless

@HopeKuhn

2 жыл бұрын

I have the “copyright free” version on my channel 😉, it’s the whole video, I just clipped out Joel Osteen and inserted my own narration of what Joel said. So you can still watch it 🤗😃

Wish I could hit the like button a hundred times. So well done. In Truth. I appreciate this content. Praying for Joel, his ministry, his family and those that follow him. I pray their eyes would be opened to God's FULL Truth in Jesus Name amen

Mike, you are so well-spoken, mature, wise, diligent, and such a wonderful man of God. A true inspiration for me over the past few years I've known about you and your response to Joel Osteen regarding this entire issue was handled incredibly well. God bless you Mike.

Well explained Mr. Winger! I agree with you. May God Bless your ministry, I ❤️❤️ your videos!

That’s what speaking truth in love looks like! Beautifully said.

You're doing a good job, Mike. Something I don't understand is so many other Christian teachers and pastors have outright called Olsteen a false teacher, but you don't hear about them being sued, or the threat thereof, by Olsteen. Even though he may admit to the Truths of the Gospel, he doesn't preach it. He preaches a false gospel for selfish gain. The fact that he would come after another true believer, what does that say about him? It's certainly not a godly approach.

@BhappyD

2 жыл бұрын

Joel seems to not want to confront others with the truth, because he’s too busy running away from confronting the truth for himself and looking in the mirror. It’s easier for him to live the way he does if he ignores the uncomfortable things that the Bible calls us to be as Christians, and just focus on the “positive” things that don’t threaten his life/lifestyle. None of us Christians are perfect, which is why it is so important to actively seek to make ourselves uncomfortable by confronting the outline of the person God calls us to be, as described in the Bible, so that we can be seeking forgiveness and checking our heart to ensure we are not going astray. Not only does Joel not teach this, it’s also quite obvious that he doesn’t do this with himself. What Mike says to Joel in his videos is the truth the Joel needs to hear, but it’s also the truth that Joel is running from. Mike delivers that uncomfortable confronting truth in a loving brotherly way, and I think because of that, it makes it even harder for Joel to brush off. Yet because of that, it also makes him want to reject it even more, and makes him fearful of his empire crumbling. I think that might be why he Joel has a stronger reaction to Mike. Mike is a threat to him. Not because Mike is threatening, or behaving in a threatening manner, but because the truth hurts, especially when it’s being delivered in a way that is Christlike, and especially when Joel is living in such drastic contrast to God’s own word and commandments. It’s easier to shut it down than confront it. It’s easier to live his lifestyle and preach his diluted teachings that lead people astray, than face the reality of what he has done and what he is continuing to do. He has chosen money and fame over THE Truth. He has turned God into a convenience that can be monetized. Wealth and fame/power are hard to walk away from. They have a very strong hold, which is why the Bible warns of them specifically. When something has that strong of a hold on you, any genuine threat to that receives an automatic shut down. Mike is that genuine threat (in the best way possible) because of his delivery. There is no malice or ill will in Mike’s pleas, nor any ulterior motives; there is grace, love and humility which makes it more confronting. Joel knows this, he feels this, and rather than actually confront the man he sees on the mirror and confront his wrongdoing, his automatic response is rejecting it. I truly pray that Joel isn’t too far gone, and that someday he will repent for what he has done and will preach the gospel in its entirety. Not to make millions, not to make false self righteous proclamations, not to make people feel self-satisfyingly “good,” but to actually SAVE souls and ensure they understand what God truly expects of them, and call people to worship to SERVE the LORD rather than themselves. If there is any hope to be had, Mike certainly is the kind of vessel that has the possibility of breaking through, if only Joel would use his ears to hear and eyes to see it.

yeeesh, this is unfortunate, we all are standing with you, Mike

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

No we not Jared.

@sarahlawrence599

2 жыл бұрын

@@marianel7630 this is not worth causing disunity within the body of Christ. seriously.

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahlawrence599 Sometimes , for the sake of the Gospel, and when false Preachers and Teachers like such as Joel Osteen , TD Jakes, Furtick and many more are doing immense harm to the people who sit under gravely distorted Gospel taught by such as Joel Osteen and company. I will listen again to Pastor Mike and if I'm wrong or commited sin in what I said, I am willing to repent . My believe what I said about Osteen is true as I have listened to his preaching and interview with Larry King for instance on TV and was my heart was broken to hear what he said. It was actually very sad .

@sarahlawrence599

2 жыл бұрын

@@marianel7630 I don't support Joel, Jakes, or Furtick. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't disunite with Mike because of the way he's choosing to let this course case issue go. I think he's doing the right thing with this.

@marianel7630

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahlawrence599 I get you Sarah. You are right. I do need to listen again.

"Talk to each other and never tell anyone about it". This is why I love your channel. It's about the people, not the PR of it all

As I'm finally getting to watch this video that keeps popping up on my recommended list lol...I think you do a great job at what you do, Mike and are showing a lot of grace by not going forward with this lawsuit. Much respect to you! Olsteen's camp should appreciate that you don't label him...

7:35 you’re right. Keep doing what you do and don’t let anything else distract you.

So proud of you for this response. I couldn't respect you more right now. What a powerful witness. What a way to love a fellow Christian. What a beautiful, loving rebuke. What an example to us as Christ followers of a best case scenario for handling a difficult situation. May God bless you and Joel both. I am trusting that God is at work in his heart over this matter. I believe He is.

Mike, I just wanted to say thank you for being a Godly example/ influence in so many peoples lives. I was so mad when you first said that you weren't going to pursue this, but you really are living your life according to the Lord's will, and not yours. You are a true man of God and I needed to see this, because I know I would have handled this situation so wrongly. I know people are going to disagree with you about this, but if they look at it through a Christian mindset, then they will see that you are doing it exactly the way a Christian is supposed to. Just because Joel and his employees aren't handling the situation the way they are supposed to, doesn't mean that you can't. I'll be praying for you and this situation buddy!

Mike, I follow you and respect you so much. Thanks for being a mentor for all of us. Love you in the Lord

WOW!!! May the Lord keep giving wisdom Mike 🥹 you are a blessing to hear. Humbleness, love, kindness, correction and knowledge. A real testimony of a follower of Jesus Christ. What a breath of fresh air. Blessings brother!!

Classic winger! 🤣 I love that this is your move, not only do you provide teachings for me to think biblically but you make me strive to be a better person- Loving Christ, loving people ☺️ Keep doing what you're doing.

You know you’re doing something right when someone else is trying hard to take the message down.. I’m impressed by the way you have handled this and I pray for the same patience!

@SimpleAmadeus

2 жыл бұрын

That's a very dangerous standard to measure by. I can guarantee you that if you start killing people in the streets that people will swiftly come to take you down. This is not an indication that you're doing something right.

@tourmaline7385

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, I’m suspicious of people who aren’t attacked in this way. These days, truth is being attacked.

@claudetteplante9381

2 жыл бұрын

Blue looks very good on you(chuckle }😉A merry heart is good medicine!Now on the serious side you are doing a wise thing!Bless you!

This was just an amazing way of looking at being apart of the family. Kudos for such a proper way of showing other KZread content creators not to diss others. Wow. Powerful.

God bless you, Pastor Mike. Thank you for setting such an amazing godly standard for me. Thank you for putting Christ first.

Mike, like countless times before, I’m so impressed and encouraged by the way you handle difficult topics and situations, speaking truth with such grace and kindness. Thank you for thinking and living Biblically as a model for so many of us and demonstrating Christlike behavior in a culture so desperately in need of such examples. Love your ministry- it is such a blessing!

@daughteroftheking3220

2 жыл бұрын

Amen, he is such a blessings to us all. Love how he is always unapologetically and radical for Jesus Christ. May God bless him even more abundantly!

This is honestly such a big problem with KZread. This used to be the place to critique each other but now it seems to be the most sensitive place to do that. I pray that more creators petition that it goes back to how it used to be. I wonder if there is a seperate platform, maybe your website, to host certain videos that youtube is sensitive towards.

@paulinekingston7479

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Rumble.

@maddworld3317

2 жыл бұрын

On top of the extreme sensor ship of our comments. I can't even type out the website Pauline K did... it gets removed or ghosted

@raynardgideon7204

2 жыл бұрын

David Wood from acts17 is talking about this new platform. Free from the restrictive big tech's influence.

@bleachigo990

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it will ever for back to how it was especially with good ole Suzy in charge. Lol

@jaredmatthews1561

2 жыл бұрын

lmao, send me a dm or a reply if anyone has the video and can send it!

Wow this was an excellent response! Gracious, just, well thought out, tempered, loving, etc. Way to be a great role model!

"ere on the side of grace" YES. Joel's salvation is God's job- he can handle it. Thank you for focusing you on your calling instead of going to court at this time. I appreciate your discernment.

I am always impressed on how measured your responses are to difficult questions and difficult situations. Thank you for a very cogent and thought full explanation of the copyright strike issue.

Joel is a motivational speaker who uses the Lord. Mike you are a Godly man and our Lord knows your heart. Love your channel.

@christinaperrigo

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@daughteroftheking3220

2 жыл бұрын

Amen fully support Pastor Mike Winger!

@melissaculpepper7663

2 жыл бұрын

He’s a false teacher, preacher, and professor of faith. His “faith” is in his bank account. “The love of money is the root of all evil”. Joel willfully deceived people just like Satan does: taking the Word of God and twisting it for personal gain. This is shameful and SHOULD be called out by the Church. “All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for correcting, teaching, rebuking in the training of righteousness.” I’m proud of you, Pastor Mike. You are being a watchmen on the wall! God bless you!

Sorry to hear of your plight brother. Glad you decide to take the highroad in this. Too much hassle and too much money will be spent in litigation and such. God bless you brother. Keep the faith. Don't stop talking truth about things you feel aren't right. They're trying to put fear in you to keep you from shining a light on them and their message. 🤔🙏😇

You’ve made the right decision Mike, and, most importantly for the right reasons. Excellent summing up and personal appeal at the end with sobering truths we ALL need to hear regularly about why we worship, give offerings or tithes and why we forgive….nice analogy with the sugary diet…we can all relate to that for ourselves and our kids….why not spiritually ? Thanks for making this video.

Osteen doesn't want to jeopardize his empire by teaching the gospel.

Thank you for being such a solid example for us newer Christians. I have learned a lot from this graceful delivery of hard truth.

Dear David, thanks for taking on Goliath and also for having the grace to let it go!!!

Your humility is so wonderful. Thank you for all your work. 🙏