I learned the Tengwar when I was 14 years old. What is funny is that I still know it so well, I don't even have to think about it when seeing it. For example, as Tolkien was writing, I immediately realized that he was writing, "Elen sila lumenn omentielvo" or, in Quenya, "A star shines on the hour of our greeting".

I like to learn alphabets too, languages needs time, but alphabets is easy to learn. I learned cyrillic, greek, berber, arabic, javanese, burmese, korean, and now learning tengwar. It is really amazing feeling

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Same, omg! You get the feel of the language and the feeling of accomplishment without having to spend months studying!

@q.6969

2 жыл бұрын

How did you learn the Burmese alphabet? I have wanted to learn it for a long time, but I have not found resources.

@nikich2186

2 жыл бұрын

@@q.6969 What resources do you need?

@q.6969

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikich2186 Well, for to learn the alphabet.

@Broockle

2 жыл бұрын

Noice, I can forget alphabets without repetition. I am exposed to a lot of Cyrillic, Korean, Japanese on a regular basis so they all stick with me. Devanagari tho, I still mostly know it but I'm not exposed to it at all and so I notice when I try to read it sometimes it takes me quite a while to recall it all. Arabic and Hebrew are both super annoying to me since they don't write their vowels down. So even on my best days I can only make out the consonants 😂 I hardly practiced those since that really demotivated me to learn them.

Before learning to write with Tengwar, the Elvish script, people must decide which mode they will learn. A mode is the specific way a writing system is used for writing in a given language - for example, the latin alphabet can be used to write in Spanish, Italian, English and many other languages; thus we have a mode for each of those languages (the Spanish mode, the Italian mode, the English mode, etc.). The same goes for the Tengwar writing. Tolkien created a Tengwar mode for Quenya and another one for Sindarin, and also a mode for the Black Speech (the language of Mordor) - the latter is the mode used on the One Ring inscription (although the phonology of Black Speech is not complete - and so the Tengwar mode created for this language). The same way, he also created modes to write in Elvish using the latin alphabet (when you write in a language using symbols or lettes which are different from the ones with which the language is originally written, you are doing a transcription or translitteration of that language). If you want to use the Tengwar script to write in Elvish, then you must have some degree of knowledge on at least one Elvish language (either Quenya or Sindarin - or both) or you must begin to learn the language and the Tengwar mode used for that langauge at the same time. How are you supposed to write in a language (using Tengwar or any other writing system) of which you know nothing? But, if your intention is to use Tengwar to write in your home language or in a foreign language which you know or which you are currently learning, then you must use a Tengwar mode for that language. Different Tengwar modes may and probably exist for the same language, created by different fans worldwide. If you can't find a Tengwar mode for the language you want to write in or if you don't want to use any existing mode for that language, you can create your own. But, before creating your own Tengwar mode for a language, it will be better if you, first, learn the mode for the Elvish language which has phonemes that are closest to those of the language you want to write in (the phonemes are the sounds - vowels and consonants - of a given language), so that, when creating your Tengwar mode for that langauge, you can associate each Elvish glyph to a phoneme which is the closest possible to the Elvish phoneme originally represented by that glyph (an Elvish glyph or letter is called *tengwa* in Quenya and *têw* in Sindarin - plural *tengwar* , *tîw* ).

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree that Tengwar modes are super important, thanks for the explanation! My video was more of an experiment, but for others, I'd suggest choosing a mode for a particular language and sticking to it, 100%

I actually used to be able to fluently write in Tengwar. I even wrote an entire book in the script. Today I have forgotten most of it, but I still have the book.

I like how you're so dedicated to learning and teaching Quenyan. Also, I've heard of Hamlet, that's where the song Ophelia was based on. I read about it somewhere.

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I just love it tbh ;) And yeah, I guess Hamlet is popular within the Indie scene ;)

8:21 I though you were going to use the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise.

Huh,kind of a hardcore challenge.Very impressive :^) And,wow,tengwar is so aesthetically pleasing as a writing system,i like it.Maybe i should try to write smth using tengwar.It's going to be a great addition to my sketchbook

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Definitely try it! I also love it, although I have a lot to improve!

Just came across this! I’ve been a huge Tolkien fan since I was 10, and have been writing Tengwar since a couple years later. It was SO much fun to learn, and the languages of Sindarin and Quenya are just as phonetically beautiful as their written forms, so I learned them as well. Good job with such an informative video!

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Love all those aspects of Elvish languages, too, it's all truly beautiful

It blows my mind that this is a complete language. Tolkien was pretty impressive

so beautiful just like Arabic scripts

after watching Lord of the Rings yesterday I decided to learn to read, write, and speak elvish and your videos have been helping me

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Oh that's awesome! Good luck ^^

This helps so much thank you!

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Really? I'm so glad! Truly!

Love the dedication, im probably also going to start learning it

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Yees, recommend it!

It's very cool when you found another tengwar lover at your lifetime..

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

And vice versa!

I just looove the way you introduce your video - which is both heart and mind opening 🙏🏻🤗

@Artreii

7 ай бұрын

I don't think anybody has said that before - that's so awesome, thank you!

This is a really good video but I just wanted to mention to you how the word "y" works in tengwar. If y is pronounced as a consonant then you will always use the one that looks like a tent (consonantal y). E.g. "Yack" or "Yearn" If it is pronounced as a vowel-like "ee" or "i" (short I like in "pig") then you will use the vowel one. ("Carrier i", the one you use, or two dots under the consonant which is another way to represent this carrier i). E.g.: "Funny", "Abyss" If it is combined with other vowels, you should use the one that looks like an "a". There's a reason why all the diphthongs include this form of y. Hope this helps! E.g. "Bait" or "Thai" Edit: The sheet you printed out is actually really inaccurate. They include some characters that are out of the use or don't exist. The word that represents "ll" is also controversial because a lot of people think it sounds like "ld" which even Tengwar Teacher and I both agree with. The word "azure" is also kind of inaccurate because, where I live, we pronounce it as a normal z. In British English and maybe in other English-speaking parts of the world, they probably say it as Zh though. I just remember it like "ж" because I already learned Russian. Edit #2: I wanted to ALSO add that you can use this handbook over here for ACCURATE Tengwar: www.tecendil.com/tengwar-handbook/. The only thing that's inaccurate is them using LL instead of LD AGAIN!! But they also point out the ones that are out of date, the ones that don't have a translation. I learned this way, and it's really useful.

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, thank you so much. I need to practice Tengwar more nowadays, but yeah, the "y" has always been one of my weak points. And the handbook looks awesome, gonna refresh my memory with it soon ;)

@sovietwizard1620

2 жыл бұрын

@@Artreii Sorry for the part where I mentioned "The long carriers are only used in Quenya NOT English mode" I got very confused. They are used in English mode and actually are not normally part of English mode. JRR Tolkein loved the Elvish modes, so he actually brought in a lot of these concepts into English mode. The mode you are learning "English Orthographic mode" is what Tengwar Teacher is using. Long carriers aren't used in English Orthographic Mode. I, personally, do a mix between "phonetic" and "orthographic" english modes. For example, the "g" in "energy", and "dog", I would write different tengwa.

@atanvardo5730

2 жыл бұрын

*Y* never has a vowel sound in Quenya. It is a consonant (or a semivowel) with the same sound of _y_ in English "you", "yearn" -- whereas, in Sindarin, *y* is not a consonant; it is always a vowel, with the sound of _u_ in French "lune" or _ü_ in German "Müller" (or, yet, more or less like _ew_ in English "dew" , but shorter). So, in Quenya, *y* couldn't ever represent the sound of English "ee" in "bee" or "y" in "funny", nor the sound of "i" in "pig" (which doesn't even occur in Quenya -- and also in Sindarin). That long "ee" sound is represented, in Quenya, by an *í* -- whereas an *i* , without the acute accent, represents the same sound, but short (a long *í* has more or less twice the duration of a short *i* -- this also goes for the other vowels). In Sindarin, this long "ee" sound is also represented by an *í* , except on _stressed_ monosyllables, where it is instead represented by an *î* (with a circumflex). When you write in Quenya using the Tengwar script, the vowels are represented by *tehtar* , which are those signs similar to diacritics, while the consonants and some consonant combinations are represented by the *tengwar* themselves (the Elvish glyphs or letters). There is a *tehta* for each vowel. If the vowel is short and follows a consonant, the *tehta* is placed above the *tengwa* (the glyph) for that consonant or consonant cluster. But if the short vowel doesn't follow a consonant or cluster, the *tehta* is placed a above a short carrier. For long vowels, the *tehta* is always placed above a long carrier. Unlike the Quenya mode, the Sindarin mode doesn't use *tehtar* to represent vowels. Instead, as for the consonants, the vowels are represented by individual *tengwar* -- which, in Sindarin, are called *tîw* , singular *têw* .

@sovietwizard1620

2 жыл бұрын

@@atanvardo5730 Yes, you are quite right. But, I don't fully understand what you mean about Quenya mode ... I think this got very deep too fast.

@atanvardo5730

2 жыл бұрын

@@sovietwizard1620 A writing system / script may have (and, I believe, often has) different modes which are used for writing in different languages. For example, the latin alphabet is used for writing in Spanish, Italian, English, German, etc. (despite the fact that English and German belong to a linguistic family different from that of Spanish and Italian); thus, the latin alphabet is used in different modes: The Spanish mode, the Italian mode, the German mode, the English mode, etc. Japan has its official Japanese mode for using the latin alphabet to write the Japanese language (it is called "romaji"). Any writing system can be used to write any language, since it has a mode for that language. Inside Tolkien's mythology, the Tengwar writing is used to write in Quenya, in Sindarin and even in Black Speech; thus we have the Quenya, the Sindarin and the Black Speech modes. Ifyou want to write in English using Tengwar, then use an English mode for this writing system. I'm not actualy intersted in using Tengwar to write in English, and I'm not sure whether or not Tolkien created an English mode for Tengwar, so I can't tell you anything about any English mode(s). If I'm not mistaken (as I can't remember well), a few English modes for Tengwar do exist, created by different people worldwide. If you are interested in an English mode for Tengwar, i'm pretty sure you will find something if you look for it on the internet. Anyway, if you are interested in learning Elvish, either Quenya or Sindarin, or both, and the respective Tengwar modes, I recommend you the site www.councilofelrond.com . And, with luck, maybe they teach an English mode there. At least (if you ask in the language forums), you may be recommended a good site where you can learn it.

can i learn it for the dutch language lik dutch to tengwar and tengwar to dutch

How could I learn this alphabet now? 'Tengwar Teacher' has no videos (anymore) on his channel. Do you have any tip how I can learn Tengwar? I have to get the information from somewhere...

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

He was supposed to start a new series soon, I hope there's still a chance :/

*Sincere Question* What if LogBan and Esperanto concepts were included.

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you mean that Tengwar itself would have those concepts or that we could adopt Tengwar as a universal language? Either way, I'm in ;)

Impressive, most Impressive

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr. Best Username On KZread 🙏

Lets learn cirth alphabet (alphabet of dwarfes and elves of doriath)

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I recognize it, good idea, maybe I'll try it!

@atanvardo5730

2 жыл бұрын

*Cirth* in Sindarin, or *Certar* in Quenya.

Can anyone tell me which country people speak elvish and how should I add elvish keyboard

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Well, they speak Elvish in... umm, in... the Maldives, maybe, idk :D And you may be able to add a Tengwar keyboard, maybe there are some mods for that, but writing by hand is cooler ;)

Use the tengwar words so it will help more

Does this also work in german?

You practiced your elvish on Lose Yourself by Eminem?😂 I dig that!

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah yeah, and it's a great strategy for learning! :D

Hmm well then I will have to learn this so I can talk to myself in peace without being disturbed

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

ah yes, that's why i did it lol

@gotmemes7090

2 жыл бұрын

@@Artreii well is there a reliable source to learn this?

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

@@gotmemes7090 Tengwar should be pretty easy, because there are clearly specified modes etc., But Sindarin is a lot harder to find good information about - try Ardalambion for example

Do you know what the word ireland is translated to sindarin

@tov5392

2 жыл бұрын

You would have to find out the etymological origin of Ire-

You really just wrote Eminem lyrics in Tengwar Thats so awesome

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

I hope that was a first :D Thankss

I tried this too and it's fun to confuse people with

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Yeeah, that's awesome!

Why does this guy sound like viceroy from star wars

It looks like tengwar teacher is down, cant find his videos!

@Minmir_the_Skald

Жыл бұрын

Do you know if his Instagram is still up? I can't remember the name

@Minmir_the_Skald

Жыл бұрын

Oh, he's going to come back in some time. Apparently those videos has some flaws, so he's going to redo them

@woolwizard2469

Жыл бұрын

@@Minmir_the_Skald oh man thank god. but i would still like to use them to learn it because i have a tattoo due in a few days and i just can't find accurate information that everyone agrees with. It seems like i can just choose a way to write and stick to it and it is not wrong, at least when following the simple rules of tengwar. but it would be a shame if i used a "j", "y" or "ia" or something like that wrong in the tattoo...

What is exactly the tangwar I’m confused a little bit .. It is related to which country?

@atanvardo5730

2 жыл бұрын

It is spelled *Tengwar* (with an uppercase *T* and an *e* following). *Tengwar* is written with an uppercase letter because it is a proper noun, as it is employed as the name of a writing system, or script, used by the Elves in the fictional stories of J.R.R. Tolkien to write in their languages (in the fictional world where these stories happen, the Tengwar script was created by an Elf known as Fëanor). The Elves spoke different languages and dialects. The Elvish languages most developped by Tolkien are Quenya (also referred to as High Elvish) and Sindarin (or Grey Elvish) - specially Quenya. Tolkien created a Tengwar mode for Quenya and another one for Sindarin - just like, in the real world, the latin alphabet is used in the Spanish mode to write in Spanish, in the Italian mode to write in Italian, in the English mode to write in English, etc. He also created a Tengwar mode to be used with the Black Speech (the language of Mordor, spoken by the Orcs - and which, in the fictional world of Tolkien's stories, was created by their master, Sauron) - the same way that, in the real world, we have, for example, romaji, which is a mode used to write Japanese with the latin alphabet (for example, the Japanese word for "water" is transcribed _mizu_ in romaji). The word *tengwar* , written with a lowercase *t* , is a common noun and the plural form of *tengwa* , which is a Quenya word that means "letter", "sign", "glyph", "symbol", referring to any character of the Elvish script (the Sindarin equivalent is *têw* , plural *tîw* ) . The plural word *tengwar* is also used as the name of the Elvish script, being, then, employed as a proper noun and, thus, written with an uppercase *T* ( *Tengwar* ).

@Broockle

2 жыл бұрын

it's the script's name

@atanvardo5730

2 жыл бұрын

@@Broockle If you write it *Tengwar* (with an uppercase *T* ), yes, you are referring to the name of the script. If you write it *tengwar* (with a lowercase *t* ), you are referring to any number of Elvish glyphs from the Tengwar script ( *tengwar* is the plural of *tengwa* , which means "symbol", "letter", "glyph"). But the Tengwar script does not use uppercase or lowercase letters; so, it is the context that will tell whether the word is referring to the Elvish script or to a given number of Elvish letters. This also goes for spoken Elvish, of course.

@Broockle

2 жыл бұрын

@@atanvardo5730 ah

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Maan, thanks for those explanations so much, you are a passionate one, love that

Hey sir i want your help

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Ye what's up?

nooo the tengwar teacher removed his videos

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I think he just started a new series on writing Tengwar, didn't he?

are u from Poland?

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

Just like you, my king

@stefanbatory8477

2 жыл бұрын

@@Artreii u mean, u are or not? xD You know, Batory was from Hungary, and he had never spoke polish xD

@Artreii

2 жыл бұрын

@@stefanbatory8477 oh yeah i forgot, i am though lol

The channel you linked doesn't exist anymore apparently

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Oh, yeah, he's been deleting videos, uploading new ones, and deleting them again for a while now - hopefully he's coming back soon :)

@Nathanael73

Жыл бұрын

@@Artreii gotcha, thanks for the reply!

@teddywauquier1088

Жыл бұрын

@@Artreii damn he's still not back, I'm impatient ! x) does anyone has a backup, maybe ?

Memorizing the symbols was easy for me, because the shapes correspond to certain sounds, so as long as I could remember the four basic sounds I could remember how to modify them to get other letters.

bruh i learnt it in 10 minuites flat

@woolwizard2469

Жыл бұрын

what sources did you use? because every source i find has different "correct" ways of spelling stuff and it is all so confusing.

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

Well, I think it is possible but in order to go into detail and retain useful information you need more time ;)

@theidioticbgilson1466

Жыл бұрын

@@Artreii i'm probably at an advantage already because i know phonetics lol

@Artreii

Жыл бұрын

@@theidioticbgilson1466 Haha that too

Flex lol but respect🎉

How old are you? You're very cute