While getting my Engineering Tech BA in Computer System Management, I found out that one of the leading causes for hacking is found USBs in the parking lot. I'm not even joking...

@ricardomiles2957

6 ай бұрын

considering the number of usbs that i lost over the years despite not ever leaving the walls of my house that's not surprising

@AngryHomunculus

6 ай бұрын

Was this a thing before or after Mr. Robot season 1? Cos that's a thing that happens

@harlannguyen4048

6 ай бұрын

The Pentagon got hacked a long time ago in the same way the OP is describing.

@Inuvash255

6 ай бұрын

@@AngryHomunculusi think that just popularized it

@AngryHomunculus

6 ай бұрын

@@Inuvash255 ok fair enough. Thanks

My mom works at GM, and she told me a story about how one day the manager was showing off a new model their factory was going to start producing soon. A ton of employees started taking pictures of it, and were immediately fired on the spot because pictures of any sort of anything on factory premises is forbidden, let alone a new car model that isn't getting announced for a year.

@RavenCloak13

6 ай бұрын

People are stupid. Who knew.

@willadkins1354

6 ай бұрын

Car spoilers are serious business/s

@DaSquareful

6 ай бұрын

Jfc i dont even verbalize about stuff my game production friends casually mention cause I assume its part of our NDA

@Vugtis_El_VillaVODS

6 ай бұрын

Good lord. I work at a car parts factory. Talking about what we are working on or how we do things are forbidden.

@DaSquareful

6 ай бұрын

@@Vugtis_El_VillaVODS makes sense but I do hear about the cold war of mechanics and engineers and how mechanics are always upset caue engineers keep unintentionally making new tech cars harder to repair because they arent the ones assembling it.

A secure hospital, which is where this guy has been sent, will be working to rehabilitate him with a view to release. Even Broadmoor, the most notorious and highest security hospital, where serial killers go, also has patients who get treated and released. It's not good fun times for him by any stretch of the imagination, but they also haven't thrown him into a forever pit. If they can get him to the point of being safe in public they'll get him out, or at least into a residential facility, if for no other reason than to clear space. Those places have degrees of confinement as well, so it's entirely possible his wing will be more like a care home than a prison.

@norysstories6275

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, its not a "incarcerated forver" its a "incarcerated untill his mental illness/condition can be managed with no threat to society", The Prison System by no means is perfect in the UK but its much more focused on rehab than the US system even dreams of being. Only the most extreme criminals get locked up for life and I mean serial murder rapist level fucked up and even then if they rehabilitate and show honest remorse after a pretty lengthy time then they can theoretically be released on a probational system.

@user-ew5pv1bd9q

4 ай бұрын

Rehabilitate into corporate loyalty to our overlords?

@DR3ADER1

24 күн бұрын

@@norysstories6275 No, not in the UK, because he flat out said that he was going to commit more crimes and is a violent turbo-Autist, he's staying there forever. And not in the good "oh he'll be in mental health care" no, he's going to be stuck on drugs for the rest of his life because thanks to years of failure (turns out that the NHS are a joke for a reason, something that I've been screaming at the sun for years but because I said "mean things" about how universal healthcare is a bigger scam than the military-industrial complex and that the Doctor's and Nurse's Unions are all money whores who should be run over with cars, in public and left to treat their injuries themselves (I've worked for the NHS for years between my Engineering work, and I can't stand the stupidity of the people who work in hospitals, it's a mix between Green Wing and South Park with 75% more stupidity), the fragile pricks ignored me, lol, serves them right, enjoy your infected blood scandals and homicidal GPs and Nurses, douchebags!) people have found out that it's far easier to keep people permanently sedated than actively engage in treatment, especially when it involves someone who declared to the courts he was going to continue AND was trying to commit more crimes whilst being detained by the police. It's easier to do so in the UK as well because mental health care and criminal justice do not interact for various reasons, mainly because after one of the murderers of James Bulger (Robert Thompson) got released, people got incredibly angry and actively wanted him dead.

@user-sy5rt1yo6t

19 күн бұрын

He is absolutely safe for the public. The only thing he is a danger to, is corporate greed. You're actually, delusionally, insane.

I actually agree with Pat for once that it's a fucked up, sad situation but I can't think of a better solution. The ideal result is that he's rehabilitated and learns that he can't do those things but getting to that point is pretty reliant on him not being violent. Unfortunately because of his violent outbursts he's been put in a place to house violent people and those conditions are probably going to cause him to have more outbursts. He's trapped in a vicious circle and trying to break him out of it by putting him in a low security hospital would be taking a gamble and potentially put the staff and patients there in danger

@TheChrosst

6 ай бұрын

It's a hard truth, but there are people who are just broken and cannot be fixed

@Personified134

6 ай бұрын

The better solution is to fix the prison system but obviously that ain't happening

@PunishedDad

6 ай бұрын

​@@Personified134bro you cant say that outloud especially if youre american

@chiyo-chanholocaust8143

6 ай бұрын

Couldn't the MI-6 or NSA or whatever agency hire him, have him working under supervision and require him to go to therapy twice a week? F*ck can't believe I'm actually sugesting governmental spy agencies as a positive thing 🤦‍♂️

@FrozenOver0

6 ай бұрын

@@PunishedDad I mean anyone can say "the X needs to be fixed," but actually figuring out what it would take to fix something, never mind actually implementing it, is a herculean task. People have been trying to "fix" big problems like hunger, disease, and war in dozens upon dozens of ways for centuries.

I've always appreciated the depth of Pat's knowledge and awareness about the institutions surrounding mental health, socially, historically, politically, y'know.

@nananamamana3591

6 ай бұрын

Finally, Pat "Fuckface" Boiven isn't categorically and demonstrably wrong. Thank god it's for things that are actually important.

@Dabednego

6 ай бұрын

That degree was good for SOMETHING

@tylerlackey1175

6 ай бұрын

This reads like a "these sets are absolutely incredible, it's insane how far jimmy has come" bot comment

@Zach0451

6 ай бұрын

Psychologist here, Pat's knowledge isn't much beyond an undergrad that paid attention in class.

@gyozapunk

6 ай бұрын

​@@Zach0451 good for you, do you want a medal?

As a UK social worker training as Approved Mental Health Professional (the people who carry out mental health act sectionings - or being held in a psychiatric unit) I can tell you - he won't see time in a psychiatric unit unless he is immediately going to be a threat of harm to himself or others - and even if he is, it will not be a long time. Our criminal justice system and health service don't interact as much as people would think. From a mental health perspective, you have the Mental Health Act 1983 and the Mental Capacity Act 2005. The MHA covers the legalities of someone needing to be detained in a medical facility in their best interests for treatment - the MCA determines if someone has capacity to make decisions for themselves. If a crime is committed, regardless of psychiatric situation, it is treated as a crime - UK law does not recognise executive capacity, so long as you understand, can retain, weigh up and communicate a decision - you have capacity. If you lack capacity, it becomes a lot messier because the nature of the loss of capacity needs to be ascertained and the implication of how much control someone had over their lack of capacity. 99% of the time, if you have mental health conditions and committed a crime, you serve your sentence and are treated seperately. MHA sectionings are more preventative in nature. The main reason he wont see a mental health unit however, is we just don't have enough fucking beds or funding. Its treated as a last resort at the best of times, but our bloated, underfunded service can't handle what it had in place 5 years ago, let alone today or worrying about some dude who can be treated in a prison.

@DR3ADER1

24 күн бұрын

Let's be real here, even if there were enough beds, he wouldn't be there. Again, he's a fucking turbo autist who declared to the courts and the Jury that he was going to commit more crimes like a retard. Post-James Bulger, people in the UK don't like arrogant criminals and especially hold a huge distrust of people who are disruptive towards the legal system. They also don't like people who just don't fucking listen to basic logic and reason (again, trying to commit more crimes whilst being detained by the police is Darwin Award-level behaviour, he knew what he was fucking doing). Plus, the NHS is a joke and I do not trust them with more funding, as the Letby and Shipman cases have proven.

I appreciate how knowledgeable Pat is about this stuff, I legit learned some things from this segment.

@Kaarl_Mills

6 ай бұрын

Imagine the dark timeline where Pat became a psychologist and fooled the world into thinking he was a normal well adjusted man like Yoshikage Kira, vs some lovable shithead on the internet who paid for the house he made his baby in with video games

@Shadest

6 ай бұрын

Its always nice when Pat gets to flex that degree

@derpstick5467

6 ай бұрын

@Kaarl_Mills He’s certainly earned that “loveable shithead” title, I despise his opinion on modern rockstar but i still enjoy seeing his rants on stuff.

@Holycow8498

6 ай бұрын

@@Shadest Wait Pat has a psych degree?????

@nosey2658

6 ай бұрын

How does the make you feel@@Holycow8498 ?

There's actually a Batman villain who was a conman who did insanity pleas to get out of prison, only then to do that in Gotham and ended up in Arkham which left him actually insane and horrifically mutilated and now being called White Shark.

@eliyugend4660

2 ай бұрын

and wasn't the judge like "hahaha okay idiot have fun"

This is similar to their talk a while back about Azula but done with more care since it's about a real person. Not the severity of the crimes but how a mentally unwell person is too dangerous to get the help they need.

When the Nintendo gigaleak happened in 2020, that included personal information, albeit decades out of date. The leakers and decompilers were nice enough not to announce what they found and contact the affected parties about the situation. What's different about the insomniac leak is that the personal information was essentially held hostage by leakers that don't care about the safety of others. It's still interesting to see a bunch of hypocrites abstain from talking about the insomniac leaks when they were gung ho about every other leak.

@felixdaniels37

6 ай бұрын

It really shows just how hard Sony has a stranglehold when it comes to news media. There's always been a bizarre bias towards them, but never has it been so nakedly blatant that even the average joe has started to pick up on it.

@fernandozavaletabustos205

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for pointing that!!

Woolie is here wondering why The Riddler need to be kept in Arkham Asylum, despite Pat explaining in detail why he is a danger to society

@rudeboyspodcast

6 ай бұрын

"he's just some guy, I don't see the problem. Let em out"

@gamemaniac2013

6 ай бұрын

I think its just him having trouble wrapping his head around just how shitty the situation is. i kinda struggle to myself, honestly. Its such a mess.

@RavenCloak13

6 ай бұрын

"Okay, Woolie. You see how this guy is committing crimes and just because he has a funny gimmick doesn't mean he also isn't putting people in life threatening danger which will kill them because they aren't as smart as Batman?" "But it's so lame though." That's literally all there is to it for Woolie in his mind. If something sounds lame it can't be a threat. Ignore the statistics of how many people die yearly from just the common cold.

@SeruraRenge11

6 ай бұрын

tbf Edward Nigma is the only dude that actually DID get successfully rehabilitated, he went "clean" and became an information broker that works with the heroes now. He's scummy and an asshole but he doesn't do what's basically riddle-based terrorism anymore.

@fernandozavaletabustos205

5 ай бұрын

Like all comicsthat depends of which universe, timeline and / or writer are we talking about. But yeah, I prefer rehabilitaded Riddler.@@SeruraRenge11

Kid: Your dad doesn't work at Nintendo! Son: Oh yeah well look at this. _Meanwhile a week later after showing pictures_ Dad: i owe millions for breaking a NDA that i didn't even break sorry buddy you might have to go with not having your father in your life for a long time, but how did they get game photos from. _Kid loudly sweating_

@lemeres2478

6 ай бұрын

Well, your dad doesn't work at nintendo NOW.

@scouthatesrainbows

6 ай бұрын

@@lemeres2478you can never win with these kids

The bit about companies still holding on to pandemic numbers is so real. Just got a job for fedex and at orientation they are still showing pandemic revenue as if thats what they are still pulling in 3 years later. When orientation dude called it out was when i was sold since he was a straight shooter.

Also guy on the spectrum here, yes it’s true our emotions can get out of control when overstimulated… but what I see isn’t illness, this guy says he wants to continue his actions, this is a desire for what he does… people like us may be different… but that doesn’t mean we are free from consequences

@conspiracypanda1200

5 ай бұрын

Seconded. I might be autistic af but that doesn't mean I get to ruin other people's lives about it. Your special interest can be serial killers but that doesn't mean you get to turn yourself into a serial killer with no damn consequences.

@ultraheaven8968

4 ай бұрын

Very sorry for you

Them talking about how the guy expressed no remorse at all reminds me of that clip of Goofy saying "I'll do it again!"

"I'm violent and I'll keep doing crimes at the drop of the hat if you ever give me the opportunity" Woolie: I dunno man, just doesn't seem right to hold him indefinitely.

@kekula69

5 ай бұрын

he's also a child

@DemonFireRain

5 ай бұрын

@@kekula69 actually, fuck off, no he is not a child. He's 18. Do a little research before you speak bullshit.

A company basing it's yearly goals on pandemic years!? That's crazy! So anyway the online store I worked at went into administration because someone high up genuinely thought that pandemic shopping would last forever.

@Desgaroth

6 ай бұрын

those people did not even realize that there was a pandemic that made people stay home and do other things. They somehow believe that now that they got attention from those people, they will keep their attention so naturally numbers have to continue rising. The eternal "number go up" mentality is extremely dumb anyway and people who think that way deserve to be fired sooner rather than later, but we all know that's not really happening.

@Santoryu90

6 ай бұрын

Oof

@Kaarl_Mills

6 ай бұрын

@@Desgaroth they only noticed when their housekeepers of questionable immigration status didn't show up for work

@Iamafishproductions

6 ай бұрын

@@Desgaroth "This year I invested in pumpkins. They've been going up the whole month of October!"

@kekula69

5 ай бұрын

@@Desgaroth very good comment

18:55 - From the UK here. Pat more or less has the right of it. There will be a budget cut, or the hospital will be closed in it's entirety by the Tories and all the criminals and psychological patients will go free - until they stab someone or are stabbed, in which case they'll spend a night in a cell and be released to do it all again. In October is was announced by current PM Rishi Sunak that in order to resolve the matter of our prisons being at capacity, all prisoners would have their sentences cut down. Nothing has happened yet, probably because it's just another statement to save face. There's a reason why there's been a recent push to bring back the Death Penalty but that has always been rejected by the Government. They'll only bring back the Death Penalty if there's a way they can make a market out of it. Or tax it.

@Coconut-219

6 ай бұрын

Or labor/green will decide that hospitals and prisons are "inhumane" and "systemic oppression" - you know, in the U.S. the New York school of thought

@supremacistdawn

6 ай бұрын

the ravens around the tower of London could probably peck out the eyeballs of some freshly deceased criminals, charge rich tourists taking pictures of the spectacle top £ and bob's yer uncle

As someone on the autism spectrum and has talked to other people with autism, this is a messy subject to try to get an answer for, but my worry with this person behind several hacks is that this activity might be part of a routine that he feels he HAS to do, and doesn't really know how to break it. This is coming from a guy in his 20s though, so take things with a grain of salt. Some people on the spectrum haven't had the opportunity to be exposed to social norms/cues, so when you tell him "hey, you can't do this stuff" he might genuinely be confused as to why he can't or who he's harming by his actions. Of course, other people can also be selfish and maybe know deep down what the consequences are. Pinpointing a person's mentality isn't as straightforward as saying "he has autism/ADHD/etc". I just wanted to share a perspective.

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

The point I wanna make is that there's a real possibility that this person may not have had any malicious or selfish intent. This doesn't mean he can just go scott-free, especially as he makes it clear that he wants to continue hacking and can put people's safety at risk. It's just that the moral discussion to be had here is very messy.

@Vanity0666

6 ай бұрын

@@leithaziz2716 The moral discussion really should be focused around "is it right to deprive people of their life for learning something about a video game that's coming out soon?"

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

@@Vanity0666 The perpetrator here in question stands accused of being part of a group that steals personal information and blackmails, and there's the part of stalking women. His actions were not harmless, but what I'm unsure of is "how self-aware is this person? Does he know right from wrong?", which would make this a depressing scenario if he's just a person that's "lost".

@neloverg3774

6 ай бұрын

​@@Vanity0666yes, fuckem

@Vanity0666

6 ай бұрын

@@leithaziz2716 for certain, however as you've mentioned, when it comes to autism behaviors that profoundly neurodivergent individuals believe are normal can sometimes be extremely offputting Autism runs in my family to varying degrees but I was exposed to significantly lower levels of social functionality through my younger brother who entered the special education system, not because he was profoundly disabled by any means but rather because my parents simply didn't want to deal with him, it was the other kids who had serious behavioral problems. I had one kid (I say kid the guy was in his teens but behaved like a much younger person) regularly show up at my door in the middle of the night looking for my brother to hang out with because his expectations of how the world worked didn't align with the reality of the situation, he would rarely knock on the door or ring the doorbell but instead he would just stand and look in the windows to see if anyone was inside and if they were he would yell to get their attention. He never meant anything by it, but to someone who was unfamiliar with that kind of behavior or lacked an understanding of autism as most neurotypicals do it could very easily come off as stalking or deliberately terrorizing people.

I'd love to just listen to Pat ramble about his psychology knowledge. The moments are kinda rare but they're still nice when we get them.

Cut games in half and sell them for twice the price? Ah: the Pokemon method.

@DickDarkie

6 ай бұрын

At least they were nice enough to make it a cute little gimmick.. a little spit before the bumming ya know

@Kaarl_Mills

6 ай бұрын

I want to believe that the original impetus behind the Pokemon versions is so that players would socialize more with trading.... But that clearly hasn't worked out if that was the intent

@miguelnewmexico8641

6 ай бұрын

@@Kaarl_Mills it worked at first. but then 1 friend would lose a cable, another would, then i'd lose my cable, and then we said, eh fuck it we'll all just get gamesharks.

@koifish835

5 ай бұрын

@@Kaarl_Mills I mean it can be both. Being able to battle and trade across either version does encourage socializing but it has the added benefit that some people will just buy both themselves. The entire design of the games from day one has been centered around that socialization and I think that's a big part of what made the games so successful.

The dude didn't get a life sentence, he got intitutionalized because he is, what people might call, criminally insane

@God_gundam36

6 ай бұрын

They threw bro in the asylum

@LieseFury

6 ай бұрын

he's not in an asylum. he's not in a hospital. he's in prison. he's a prisoner.

@JCdental

6 ай бұрын

to be depraved of free will, he'd need to have some to begin with@@LieseFury

@nananamamana3591

6 ай бұрын

No no homie, that's not what this is, don't act dumb just because you're still wearing that fortnight meme from like, a decade ago using the deus ex face. You're not a child anymore.

@Vanity0666

6 ай бұрын

They are holding him in a mental institution without trial

It's reaally nice to get these occasional reminders that Pat actually studied psychology, despite being insane himself.

Gta online cost us a bully 2. My hate is immeasurable.

@ricardomiles2957

6 ай бұрын

No. 2K cost us Bully 2. The success of GTA online would be irrelevant if it was just Rockstar by themselves

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

Apparently also a trip to Liberty City. Man, I miss Niko.

@abd1979o1

6 ай бұрын

Bully 2 was cancelled years before GTA Online back in 2009. And the liberty city DLC was meant exclusively for GTA Online.

@jeangreffsbp

6 ай бұрын

​@@ricardomiles2957tell that to yourself, Rockstar is not the same company that made the games you love

@ricardomiles2957

6 ай бұрын

@@jeangreffsbp the impression i got over the years is that at least some of the peoplw making the games is still there, they had to get someone to make money which is something that eventually happens with people who make stuff mainly because they like it and get big. And that now their hands are tied, for them, they clearly need the absurd ammount of money they get from shark cards to keep making their 10 years long projects.

See the trouble with the concept of "let the guy live his life but keep him away from people he'd hurt or technology he'd use to hack" that that that's called putting him in jail.

Yes kids, even people that complain about games media sensationalizing news all the time ALSO fall for stupid headlines as long as it benefits THEIR views on things.

@vyxxer

6 ай бұрын

MY GAME HAS A WOMAN IN IT. IT"S WOKE!

@Zeik56

6 ай бұрын

The loudest voices are very often the biggest hypocrites.

@suburbhermit8792

6 ай бұрын

@@Zeik56 The best statement that you took from the 1 brain cell in my head.

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

what does sensationalizing mean?

@posteriorpepperoni

6 ай бұрын

Reminds me of that one Garfield picture, with the propaganda line and all that

So... am I the only one baffled by Woolie's initial inability to comprehend why this was happening? We're talking about a mentally ill person who is unrepentant and violent. He even went so far as to say as soon as he's let back into normal society he'll do it again... At that point what option is there other than indefinite housing in a mental hospital?

@TogbusPrime

6 ай бұрын

Like... I'm not saying any of this is good. But however fucked up it is, that is what this man's life is now. He hasn't afforded them any other choice and... the fact he seems incapable of doing that is very messed up, but it also means that he's a menace to society and shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as everyone else.

@user-sy5rt1yo6t

19 күн бұрын

He downloaded a private chat. I'd be pretty violence if threatened with permanent imprisonment for something so nothing.

It's not being dismissive to say this is a complicated situation. Not being an expert and not knowing about the specific guy, there's so much "if this/if that" about the case that it's hard to know how to feel about what's happened right away. I wonder if there's even precedent they could use *at all*. Add in any questions about their mental capacity and those waters get murky, fast.

wow, "Elements" of Pats college degree is actually paying off for once because he was really crushin it with the medical law system stuff XD

The guy repeatedly blackmailed companies while on probation. He's lucky he's just indefinitely institutionalized.

@user-sy5rt1yo6t

19 күн бұрын

Reminder that CORPORATIONS AREN'T PEOPLE. they have no rights. Go lick boots somewhere else.

You get sectioned in the UK if the doctors think you are either a danger to yourself (which accounts for most people with mental health issues) or to others. I've been in and out of the system multiple times, they will keep me in for between a day and a week until shit calms down enough to let me back on my own recognizance. I've never been a threat to others, and with some antipsychotics or whatever stop being a threat to myself.

15:58 which is tough as some have been told “well clearly you’re just pretending to be sane, you’re nuts”

@miguelnewmexico8641

6 ай бұрын

hypersane.

Given his condition and his skills taken together, I think that if a way could be found for him to be treated while also putting his obvious knack for hacking to an ethical use it would be ideal. Obviously, that’s a stretch, but it would be interesting to see this guy able to put his skills to work while getting the help he needs. Also, I think a better way of framing his hospital stay would be “indefinite” rather than for life.

"As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women." He's not institutionalized just for the hack, he is an active danger to multiple women.

@Vanity0666

6 ай бұрын

There are two different people involved in the Rockstar hack, one of them was autistic and the other guy had the problem with stalking women

@Personified134

6 ай бұрын

Yeah they talk about that extensively in the video, did you watch it?

@Andy_ARBS

6 ай бұрын

Imagine watching the video@@Personified134

I wanna hear legal eagle breaking this down

@harlannguyen4048

6 ай бұрын

Really? You're going to listen to the guy that tried to legally justify Captain Marvel breaking the Don's arm in an infamous deleted scene?

@fartface8918

6 ай бұрын

​@@harlannguyen4048whats the problem with being potentially wrong about a movie once

@Sercotani

6 ай бұрын

yeah, discovered his channel a month back, binged his stuff. I've been thinking about how his takes would go on a lotta things. 2024's gonna be a fun year for me, and I thank fuck every day I'm not american. I'm also happy to see yet another law practitioner shit on a certain crowd, but this time with an entertaining youtube channel! :)

@Jay-gi6oh

6 ай бұрын

@@Sercotani lol, you must be miserable

Bro will get thrown in a sci-fi super villain high security prison

@TheColdOnez

6 ай бұрын

The Joker will break him out so that he can hack Batman's gadgets.

@rikimaru700

6 ай бұрын

and have to put on magnet boots

@MrStath1986

6 ай бұрын

@@rikimaru700 Somewhere Matt is quivering with glee.

It’s also worth noting that the courts can’t just send people to hospital without cause, it requires multiple reports from multiple doctors making it clear that a Hospital Order is basically the only option to either rehabilitate the criminal or protect the public. And even that’s all done after they have a jury trial to determine that they actually did the crime (even if they themselves aren’t coherent enough to plead guilty or not guilty).

What Woolie suggested at the end about the game going immediately on sale at launch might be some cheeky joke I'm not getting, but in case it's not: that's, at the very least, very illegal for DLCs/cosmetics/cash shops in game. It's one of the things that was used against Bethesda in the recent years, to present a product at a fake discounted price you're never going to raise/are waiting a lot before raising, because it creates a fake sense of urgency. So I'd be fucking worried if a game did that

@29:06 No Pat. Rift Apart did make money by $145M. You followed the articles that were running with that narrative that had to update those articles because they jumped the gun and didn't actually do their research.

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

Source? I would be happy to be proven wrong if that means the series did well.

@TheRetroGamerGuy

6 ай бұрын

​@@leithaziz2716 Source is the actual documents. Also the slides they were going off of were projections from 2020. A year before the game came out. The dev budget was $81M (including marketing) and the actual revenue the game made was $145M (this is outdated BTW. It probably has made more.) So from the time that slide was made, it made it's money back and $64M in profit.

A friendly reminded that entrainment industries are not fundamentally different than any other type of business, including all those ones that did all the crimes against humanity.

@Vanity0666

6 ай бұрын

In fact the entertainment industry as a whole are more directly tied to the industrial war machine than most outside of weapons manufacturers who also work directly alongside the entertainment industry

@ethantaylor9613

6 ай бұрын

@@Vanity0666 good point, the Incredible Hulk was the last marvel movie to ever portray the US military as antagonists…

@ultimamage3

6 ай бұрын

​​@@ethantaylor9613Counterpoint to your point, the MCU _launched_ with Iron Man being used to sell the Afghan War and extol the virtues of American interventionism - Tony flies to an Afghanistan-type settlement to shoot the bad brown terrorists after making a real Iron Man suit. His change of heart doesn't come from American soldiers having weapons and doing war crimes on foreign nations, but that his weapons went to the wrong side (the bad brown terrorists). He's not the bad guy for owning the company, Obadiah is for selling the weapons to the wrong side and working with the Ten Rings. The engineer Yinsen doesn't blame Tony for aiding and abetting terrorism via manufacturing weapons, he holds Tony as blameless and places his family's death at the feet of those bad brown terrorists, then dies so that Tony can feel bad and provides his motivation to shoot said bad brown terrorists later. Obadiah being American is an outlier. Iron Man and War Machine fall for the exact same thing later in the third movie when they ignore the American techie for the "foreign" terrorist when addressing a plot turning addicted and disabled war vets into suicide bombers. Subsequent movies hammer the MCU's ills home with the "Stark quote" of "Keep your friends rich and your enemies rich, and wait to find out which is which" in Age of Ultron, Tony funding Project Insight which functioned as the Patriot Act On Steroids (revealed as a HYDRA/Nazi operation), the creation of EDITH, and Tony's rant about how his plan of "a suit of armor around the world" would've worked if people weren't so hung up about their "precious freedoms" and allowed those freedoms to be curtailed in the name of security, directly echoing Arnim Zola's talk in Winter Soldier about manufacturing global crises so that humanity would give up their freedoms in order to be safe. So like, of anything, The Incredible Hulk could be the FIRST and last MCU movie to ever show the US military as antagonists. Every other one including Iron Man holds that the military is righteous except for singular bad actors, foreign powers, or singular bad actors aiding foreign powers, even when SHIELD willingly recruited HYDRA operatives instead of executing them all (like a more insane version of Operation Paperclip). Black Panther is just "The CIA is good!" in a different volume with the "only" bad guy being Killmonger even when Bilbo is saying "Actually he's just doing what we normally do".

@bishopspechulure9821

6 ай бұрын

Brainrotted comment

@ethantaylor9613

6 ай бұрын

@@bishopspechulure9821 what’s your contention? that corporations don’t commit war crimes sometimes, or that the entertainment industry is somehow exempt from the practice?

I agree 1000% with waiting to pay games in sale on ALL cases. I've never naught a game full price in my life and it's honestly very sustainable. AAA games that can be either mid or great at NOT AAA prices is the only way going forward. I just finished the Tomb Raider trilogy a few days ago, the whole thing with all DLC cost $17 on PSN. Those games are all right but they become so much better when you don't have to dump $100+ on them.

@yukaiyami

6 ай бұрын

It’s FOMO and being friends with people who like the same games as you and are too excited talking about the cool things they’re experiencing that makes this hard. And also Nintendo removing the words “less than full price” from their vocabulary for god knows how many years now.

It's basically what happened to that Norwegian mass murderer - he'll stay in a prison/hospital until he's deemed to be sane/not a threat. In that case probably never. Norway doesn't have a life sentence but that is the closest.

@Serahpin

6 ай бұрын

We live in a world where heroes are locked up and demonized, but villains are celebrated. The masses believe whatever the TV says, hating the people trying to save them while loving the people hurting them.

@willadkins1354

6 ай бұрын

@@SerahpinBrainwashing is a hell of a drug.

@heykak

6 ай бұрын

You calling ABB a hero?​@@Serahpin

@thatonebandit9333

6 ай бұрын

@@willadkins1354 whats up with all these people making replies that have nothing to do with what the commenter said and also make no fucking sense? I've noticed this has been happening a shit ton more recently.

@Serahpin

6 ай бұрын

@@heykak I don't know enough about him, specifically, but his case mirrors others who were either patsies or whose motivations were lied about after the fact. I'd suggest looking more into his motivations on your own. Not what the TV said about him, but his own writings and testimony in court.

I greatly appreciate Pat bringing nuance to this topic.

Meanwhile, someone descided to adapt the Lost Children arc of Beserk.

Something that this conversation may benefit from mentioning: those with mental illness are over 100x more likely to be the VICTIMS of crime, not the perpetrator. This is a very niche example of the opposite, which is why it’s absolutely everywhere, but we absolutely shouldn’t view others with autism or bipolar or etc to be dangerous.

@willadkins1354

6 ай бұрын

That if the eugenics folks have anything to say about.

@thecaptain6520

6 ай бұрын

"We shouldn't view them as dangerous" But they are

@miguelnewmexico8641

6 ай бұрын

@@thecaptain6520 name one thing in existence that can't be dangerous.

@GoodlyPenguin

6 ай бұрын

​@@miguelnewmexico8641 him

"lets just solve mental health here and now"

Never forget Charles Bronson. Those English facilities aren't meant to make you better.

@Tarage

6 ай бұрын

As an autistic person, frankly I don't care if this kid gets better. He has proven multiple times he is incapable of living in our society, so he has been removed from our society. The kid did the Rockstar hack WHILE ON PROBATION BEING KEPT IN A HOTEL WITH ALL OF HIS DEVICES TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM. You don't fix someone like this. And I refuse to let my life and wellbeing(I am a game dev) and the lives and wellbeings of my friends be put at risk for his ass.

@miguelnewmexico8641

6 ай бұрын

the Deathwish guy?

@SandyTrulyDandy

6 ай бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641the prisoner Charles Bronson.

@ImMichaelB

5 ай бұрын

Hahaha, that gave me a good chuckle! I love me some Death Wish. However I was referring to Charlie Bronson, a UK prisoner. I highly recommend that just about everyone checks out the film 'Bronson' by Nicolas Winding Refn.@@miguelnewmexico8641

@ImMichaelB

5 ай бұрын

​ @Tarage Quickly wanted to clarify that I do not believe that he should be free because as you illustrated he has surrendered his rights to do so. I totally agree the kid needs to be given a place and time to fully understand the damage he has done. Stalking and distributing the personal details of innocents is far from acceptable behavior, full stop. That being said given his age (18) and his mental faculties he should be given support, not a hole to rot in. It should be a well known fact by now that both Prisons and Mental Health facilities are rarely ever designed or incentivized to rehabilitate their inhabitants. PLEASE NOTE: Support in these instances would be in the form of medication combined with a myriad of therapy sessions. Of course we are going to have our own view on how to successfully rehabilitate an individual, or if that's even possible in certain scenarios. However I personally do not believe in endless torment for those who are already tormented. Apologies for the long response but I figured this is a interesting conversation that we can both value. Please stay safe out there, and best of luck with whatever you're working on! ❤

Industrial espionage is a serious crime kids don't do it

@nananamamana3591

6 ай бұрын

Heh, nice try youtube commenter, but I already epic hacked into your mainframe! Or... should I say... TODD HOWARD! >:D

@ravensflockmate

6 ай бұрын

@@nananamamana3591 I am not Todd Howard you can't prove anything it just works

@willadkins1354

6 ай бұрын

Klassje be like:

If he just has to wait for budget cuts, the hacker will be out next week.

2/3 thirds of the way thru Spider man 2 and I can tell from 3 things how much they spent. The start, the repitle fight and the venom stuff which I've just got off pete and then that happens. Yeah it's prob mind boggling how much the venom stuff cost it looks that good

This sounds like sentencing the Joker to life in Arkham Asylum.

31:06 lololol

rockstar: we love telling rich story driven single player games also rockstar: GTA Online needs all the support it can get cancel anything that isn't for that and hey since rdr2 online isn't bringing in billions a day shut that down too the fact any time i get a GTA ad here on KZread it for GTA online and not GTA 6 really tells you there mind set

Ratchet and clank lost money because they tried to turn it in to a Disney channel style narrative. They smoothed the edges so much it just stopped being the fun ride it used to be. The new one was a spectacle for sure but trying not to cringe every time a character speaks doesn’t leave a positive impression. They would probably sell more copies and spend less money if they just re made the original trilogy Spyro style.

I wouldn't be surprised if hacking was just the guy's hyper fixation Some people have lego, some people have code lego

Sky Zoids was my favorite show in the franchise

Damn my man was literally the Goofy meme "Ill fuckin do it again!"

The future is now! XD

Its crazy sunset overdrive only made 500 bucks

I want to know what this kid's parents think about their son's crimes and his sentencing.

@janematthews9087

6 ай бұрын

Broken, defeated, lost as to how they failed to understand their son despite years of trying to read up all the literature related to their son's mental health problems. "A parent shouldn't have to bury their son" despite the son still being alive, but locked up in the criminal justice system that tends to be an uncaring machine that will likely grind their son into dust in it's apathy. The creature that will be spit out might not even be recognizable to them, further fueling their despair and self loathing. Just my opinion.

@slappybigalow8971

6 ай бұрын

@@janematthews9087 Did that happen to your boy? I got a kid with disabilities and I worry about stuff like this.

@trashman1605

6 ай бұрын

​@@janematthews9087what a fucked up world we live in.

If Sony genuinely believes that they can push the price of games to £100 each then I have some bad news for them regarding the current effect of inflation on regular people, pieces of straw and the spinal columns of camels 🐪

idunno, i don't feel bad for the two ransomware hackers, sorry. there's a post from josh sawyer where he talks about how leaks (not even ransomware, which is obviously way worse, just regular leaks even) hurt development teams. there are actual people working hard at videogame companies, and they're the ones i feel bad for

@Deminese2

6 ай бұрын

Just as a reminder as well some leaks are incredibly nefarious. The Insomniac one leaked the personal details of the developers, addresses and all that fun stuff.

@Nah-wg6dw

6 ай бұрын

No one is arguing that what this guy did is forgivable, they’re arguing that the system being used as a consequence for that behavior is (and has) proven to be ineffective and will likely do more harm than good in the long run. Societies tendency to “lock ‘em up and throw away the key” has gotten way too out of hand.

@Deminese2

5 ай бұрын

@@Nah-wg6dw well in his case there is literally nothing they can do to stop him from repeating unless he was confined to his home and not allowed ANY devices that connect to the internet and even then someone could bring over a Hotspot for him and he'd be able to hack. So unless they are sure he won't repeat large harmful hacks hes a danger to be out

T2 Sarah Conner over there.

every time i heard sunset overdrive im surprised someone is mentioned that game this year that so little people played

@attackofthecopyrightbots

6 ай бұрын

for me thats the "noone remembers this game" game

INFINITE BEURACRACY STUNLOCK. This man did not Just fall through the cracks he is PERPETUALLY FALLING THROUGH EVERY CRACK as he falls SIDEWAYS around the planet in orbit, never fully landing until something about himself or the cracks that he falls through changes drastically.

Telling that dude not to hack is like saying Chris Chan dont like sonic. You cant stop him

I mean the dudes been "hacking" since he was 14 or 15 lol one of the reasons he wasn't jailed to begin with is he wasn't 18 when he did the earlier hacks however when he did the gta hack he was either really close to 18 or just turned 18 idr either way dudes boned lol

Pat saying his best bets of getting out is being transferred to a mental facility and then being released due to budget cuts is so true. Mental hospitals really do not give a single fuck. I have a schizophrenic sister, and one time after she attacked my mom, we called the police, got her in the mental hospital, only to call and find out they released her not even an hour later. Mental facilities are a fucking joke.

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope your mother is ok, and that the family is on good terms if possible.

@RavenCloak13

6 ай бұрын

Brother could just leave at anytime even though he tried to commit suicide and still had suicidal thoughts when he came back.

Nah woolie is just being daft here. What is indefinite detention for if not someone who is determined to undermine basic human society like this kid. FoH woolie, grow up

Why is woolie never in frame? Every Super beast clip i see he's on the left. He was always the most technical to me so its weird lol.

Regardless of its roots in a mental health issue, I can't say I feel any sympathy for a violent stalker that wants nothing more than to obsessively ruin people's lives by ransoming their personal information.

Just because there is a problem doesn’t mean there is a solution. You hear that sometimes in the medical field. I don’t work in mental health (one rotation in psychiatry as a student was enough for me to realise I should not be a psychiatrist, and patients would be greatly underserved if I was their psychiatrist), but I come into contact with mental health patients all the time. And there are some people who cannot be cured by the system. There are some people that psychiatric help is just not enough. We don’t have the tools or the techniques or the funding or the time to help certain people. The human body is an incredibly complex thing, and the brain is the most complex thing that we know of. We still don’t understand how much of it works. Our tools for treating mental health issues are often quite blunt, quite crude and often just suppress the problem instead of directly fixing it. This young man has a problem that, likely, we can’t fix. We just can’t. I mean, is that so hard to understand? There are many medical conditions we can’t cure, and some we can’t even treat (huntington’s, lewy-body dementia, cerebral amyloid angiopathy, etc) - why would the brain, which is a physical part of the body, be any different? Some people are so mentally ill that we can’t do anything about it - we try all the antipsychotics, ECT, all manner of therapies and it doesn’t work for some.

I know it's kinda morbid But this guy is now literally the "specialist" a heist team needs to break out for their elaborate super heist in any fiction The "he is dangerous, but we need him" guy Life does imitate art sometimes

@fuckiopussigetti453

5 ай бұрын

Then he gets gatted near the end by Jimmy Da Horse

What'd this kid do? Hack the motherfucking GIBSON!?

Feel like if it's actually impossible to convince the guy to stop hacking the best thing anybody could do for him would be to just give him some fake, closed off stuff to hack endlessly. Like hacking puzzle sites on a local network. Definitely no internet, ever, for this guy. There's some stuff people are interested in where it's like "yeah no don't let them even" but hacking is a truly victimless crime if it's just hacking puzzles designed to be hacked.

@NocturneJester

6 ай бұрын

That would be a worse fate than just attempting to reform them or giving them a specific prison sentence. Unless the guy is straight up constantly physically assaulting or violating people without provocation or is blatantly being 100% truly sincere on following through on attempting to compromise studios endlessly (not defending that at all), I don't think the majority of people really deserve to be involuntarily isolated for literally most of the rest of their life. Imagine being stuck in a cell or an institution for decades of time without anyone to get along with in a normal way and little to no entertainment.

@leithaziz2716

6 ай бұрын

I thought about this, but it now comes off as feeding into his routine and taking away any other pieces of his identity. Well to be frank, that sounds like torture.

@acceptablecasualty5319

6 ай бұрын

@@NocturneJester He is being sincere. At least that was a professional's assesment.

[EDIT] Okay, in my defense, I should have finished watching the video before making my comment because I didn’t realize they were gonna talk about the exact same thing at 20:50.😂🤣 It’s kinda crazy, because it FEELS like the context has changed from a LONG time ago. Long ago, I used to watch the OG Law and Order with my parents and in that show, a “plea of insanity” was always treated like a SCAM. Like, the murderer/rapist was going to spend six months at a minimum security resort being catered to and then “Miraculously Recover” and rejoin society, so any episodes where it showed up, it became a pretty big focus to find evidence that the accused was NOT crazy, and they should go to real jail. It feels like that was the “cultural mood” back then, where saying “I’m crazy” was used as a scapegoat…pretty sure that’s because of the infamous “twinkie defense” where a guy claimed that the sugar rush of a twinkie he ate (was he diabetic?🤔) made him snap, and that defense WORKED. But nowadays, the cultural mood has…reversed? Or turned sideways. Because what WAS NOT said back then, was that being labeled as crazy would STICK with you, AND whatever “minimum security resort” you were sent to would decide when you were ready to get out. There is NO MINIMUM SENTENCE to a psych ward, you only get to leave, when the doctors say you can leave and if they never do that, then you are simply S-O-L. Nowadays, due to awareness, I think, that view has turned sideways. So instead of headlines of “This guy has claimed he’s crazy to get away with (crime)! Isn’t that OUTRAGEOUS?! (now buy our paper to learn more)” We get headlines like “This guy is being sentenced to life JUST because he did (crime)! Isn’t that INSANE!?! (now click the link, sucker)” I’m kinda wondering why the perspective shift, but I also have a REALLY good idea why. More people are aware of how just ONE mentally ill person, if ignored and mis-treated, can come back to bite a LOT of people on the ass in the future. So it’s not regarded as a “free ride” to claim insanity anymore, you’re now a “danger to society” and that’s when things really go ploin-shaped for you.

@ArcMinuteLight

6 ай бұрын

Being institutionalized has always been effectively a life sentence since asylums existed; it's just that a few decades ago, ignorance reigned supreme without the internet to correct. Keep in mind that Law & Order is infamously inaccurate and heavily reliant on a cooperation agreement with police departments which impart their own bias and misunderstandings of the system onto the writers, who openly admit that their show was allowed to exist (i.e. get resources & stories directly from the police) because it could serve as PR for law enforcement. As a result, if a police advisor tells a writer "the insanity plea is a get-out-of-jail card", then the writer is heavily incentivized to *not* question anything the advisor dictates, lest support be pulled.

When you remove criminal culpability from an accused for medical reasons, then you're left with having to treat those medical circumstances. His condition was assessed by people much more knowledgeable about this particular case as that such treatment will need to be indefinite. You have to have it one way or the other - either this guy faces criminal responsibility for his actions and goes to jail for decades, or he gets treatment for his condition and goes to the hospital for decades. Stop advocating for some third option where he faces neither responsibility or treatment, because that's a shit opinion devoid of any sympathy, compassion, or understanding of how society at large is affected by criminal behaviour. Yeah, this is a case of "well that sucks for him" because if we're going to say he isn't criminally culpable for his actions, then nothing he did was in his direct control, but we also can't just sit on our hands and let him continue to be a threat. You can only be so compassionate to a violent, unrepentant, self-interested hacker to a point where you have to account for the needs of society against an individual like that, regardless of that individual's intent, reasoning, or lack thereof. Like, sorry that the solution to this problem is indefinite hospitalization - lots of people get sick and have to spend the rest of their lives in a hospital for circumstances beyond their control. That's a glib generalization, to be clear, but the comparison isn't unwarranted. You have to do SOMETHING with this guy. Jail him or treat him; treatment seems the ethically correct choice to me.

@stevsux4442

6 ай бұрын

You have far too much faith in a system historically infamous for being awful and underfunded and a form of science so new many still cite the "people want to bang people like their parents" guy and a mental illness so ambiguous its entirely up to the individual "professional" you're talking to whether you have it and if they believe your traits and habits are to do with mental illness or your race/gender. Treatment might be the easy ethical choice, but you also have to look at what that treatment is and the conditions people live in while receiving it

I love Pat psychology talk

Oof man

Man it’s almost like having a system that prioritizes eternal growth and profits is inherently unsustainable and will inevitably collapse

@willadkins1354

6 ай бұрын

The sun must come down at some point

Honestly just let them hack stuff. But direct them at things that are worth hacking.

Sounds like a situation where a person presents a genuine problem to society and the justice and mental health system is totally unequipped to handle it appropriately or ethically.

Like.

Given his apparent skill, my immediate thought is that this guy will be scooped up by MI6.

Shout out to that one guy who pee’d off Nintendo and has his wages garnished for life. The Uncle who Slaves for Nintendo.

So we can thank all those dudes who only play gta online with their mics on while listening to their own music while a vacuum and a child being set on fire in the background for being the reason every cool idea Rockstar has had for the last decade got abandoned. The only silver lining for me with that list of canceled projects is that Max Payne 4 wasn't one of them.

I genuinely don’t understand the reasoning for firing someone because their son leaked characters in a fighting game. I cant think of a single way that would negatively impact the company. That’s literally free marketing. Why do media companies fetishize the “no spoiler” culture, when they’re just going to spend time and money on their own announcement a few weeks later?

@GoodlyPenguin

6 ай бұрын

It's because somebody at the company is paid to do that job, and once someome leaks that info, your job's meaning for a special reveal is thrown out the window by some little fuck. Case in point the Elphelt reveal for GG Strive. Someone posted random screenshots of Elphelt plus her character render. Someone on the GG community who's decently well known on Twitter claimed they made up the render and faked the screenshots, but lo and behold ArcSys officially reveals her during the Game Awards: same render and character model too.

Pat is wrong when he says the Autistic Guy hacker on the Rockstar Job was stalking women, there were 2 individuals caught in that case, one was 17 years old and is being held until he's 18 at which point he will be released and that is the guy who was said to be harrassing/stalking women The autistic guy didn't do any of that, he was just responsible for hacking under probation and saying that he would keep doing it at which point they imprisoned him indefinitely with no possibility of trial and stripped away all of his human rights. The hack that he performed was getting into the Rockstar employee slack chat, and downloading the gameplay videos the employees posted in the slack channel.

@Deminese2

6 ай бұрын

He also did attack multiple people after being arrested. He does have violent outbursts combined with yeah I'll do it again statements basically means hes a massive risk to let out until they can say 100% of the fact hes going to not do it again. Even if they do release him I guarantee he will be banned from using the internet for a duration or at minimum HEAVILY supervised.

@Vanity0666

6 ай бұрын

@@Deminese2 i'm guessing he attacked people after they put him in a prison hospital with no possibility of trial which comes with the side effects of stripping all human rights away and legalized torture

@miguelnewmexico8641

6 ай бұрын

@@Vanity0666 you've already been proven wrong. you don't need to go down with the ship.

13:09 or just patently lies

I don't like the precident this sets about how much the wellfare of big corpos influences jurisdiction and sentencing against those that violate them. something something cyberpunk dystopia

This situation really isn't complicated. Life in a mental institution for leaking info about a video game is fucking insane. Its completely unjustifiable

@galaxa13

6 ай бұрын

It didn't sound like he was leaking info about a video game, but info about PEOPLE. The fact that these people worked at a video game company has very little to do with the crime committed.

@eggbreakerdotexe

6 ай бұрын

@@galaxa13You're confusing the Rockstar hack with the Insomniac hack.

I feel like the western side of gaming is coming up on another crash

@TheRealHoodedGeek

6 ай бұрын

And its been steadily getting worse since that era. The frog eventually dies.@@mikeymidnite7685

Why is Woolie acting like this is Rockstars fault the guy is going away for life. The dude ransomed multiple companies and did it while on probation for doing the exact same thing. It’s clear he’s not going to stop, and he’s committing felonies. Yeah he didn’t murder anyone but he’s still committing crimes, he should go to jail for his own good not even just for society. It’s like saying Charles Manson should be free because he didn’t actually kill anyone, is it really his fault people killed for him.

@Nah-wg6dw

6 ай бұрын

When did Woolie indicate or even imply that this is Rockstar’s fault?

lol lmao even RIP BOZO

Meanwhile Chris Chan gets off scott free

@miguelnewmexico8641

6 ай бұрын

no he didn't.

hope they dont send me to jail for my autism lol

@attackofthecopyrightbots

6 ай бұрын

luckily im not a leaker

In the USA he would probably get pardoned and hired to work for the government but they would keep close watch on him.

Give that kid a job lol

What you are supposed to do as a company when you get hit by these massive attacks is hire the team behind it as cybersecurity professionals for your company which makes them A. Go completely legit B. Stop needing/wanting to do hacks to provide income C. Patch up the giant fucking hole in your infrastructure which they are aware of and is constantly leaking data to literally any other group who could possibly want it

@Deminese2

6 ай бұрын

You can't really patch up social engineering. He managed to get a slack invite to their chat by acting like he was a dev. There is very little you can do about that.

Damn, this is absolutely fucked up. I thought they we're just gonna talk about the leaks, instead I got doomerpilled. The guy barely escaped the legal system and now he's fully trapped in Izanami