i like how prideful woolie is of his Q A skills. the guy usually self deprecates so hard all the time, but talk about something he sunk his sanity and body into and all of the sudden he's straight backed and business like.

@breaksystembse

2 жыл бұрын

Worked Q A for three years and underestimated the work going in as a Rookie. That sht ain't easy on any level; Woolie has every right to be proud

@ExemplarKyle

Жыл бұрын

The way he has the entire process already mapped out in his mind when he sees a problem, I really think he would excel as a QA lead or project manager.

@ChrisPoindexter98

3 ай бұрын

My mother got a ticket for "speeding" in a small city near us. She hardly ever drove through but she was forced to towards the end of a month. The cop refused to discuss the ticket, just told us to go to their courthouse on [X] date if we disagreed. When she went there to dispute it, there were at least 50 other people there. They told everyone they can either contest the ticket at a later court date and have the ticket added to their record, or "just" pay ~$125 and the ticket "goes away". All of the people there were from outside that county, some out of state. It's literal extortion by the state, and it's enforced via quotas.

@Abdega

Жыл бұрын

I believe it, and even when a quota isn’t involved there can still be perverse incentives My grandmother had someone drive into her car when she was in another city. She said she was blamed for the crash when it wasn’t her fault and she said it’s common for towns to do that to out of towners in the places around here NOT TO FILL QUOTAS, but instead TO KEEP INSURANCE RATES IN THE TOWN DOWN

@ouija629

9 ай бұрын

I had something of the sort happen to me when i was young; I ran a yellow light twords the last few days of the month during the mid-day that had only 1 car on the road to the left waiting at the light. Idk where he came from, but a cop sped up to me with his lights on a few seconds later and pulled me over. He gave me a citation for running the light, saying that i "didn't make that light like i thought i did". My gf was in the car at the time and was even saying as well that no no no i made that light, it was yellow the whole time we could see it and that i kept my same speed through it, but he didn't care. On the citation he put that i was "disobeying traffic control signals.", which when i had to go to court for it, made it sound like i ran a red light. They gave me my own 'lawyer' if you will, that told me to just give in and say guilty or they're going to bring the officer in, and he'll win because he'san officer and his word means more than mine, and then I'll get a bigger penalty. Looking back i should've fought it so i could wasted the douchy cop's time if he would've actually been brought in, but i was young and it was the first time i had to deal with anything like this. Plus i was on my lunch break at work because i couldn't get the day off so i was just trying to get it over with. The judge luckily didn't have me pay a fine, but i was sentenced to 24 hrs of community service. Tldr; Got 24hrs community service for running a yellow.

@platypuspracticus2

6 ай бұрын

Only time I've ever gotten a ticket was when I had out of state plates.

it's very endearing how woolie has esprit de corps but for quality assurance

@HandsFreeProductions

Жыл бұрын

This... may be the most accurate comment

13:30 OMG Woolie. I forgot that you worked for Keywords before. So that's why I felt like we where being called out. I'm currently still working here for 5 years now. What you're describing IS STILL GOING ON. lmao!

@MapleFried

2 жыл бұрын

How would you describe your QA experience overall, if you don't mind me asking? I'm working on a TCG-like project that will require extensive testing and want to be sure that whoever makes up our QA team is treated properly as they will be the heart of what makes the game work on a fundamental level; I feel like first-hand accounts are integral to understanding how to accommodate the department better. PS it is still in pre-dev phase and QA is still WAY far off, but learning about it early on isn't a bad idea.

@MrShinTensei

2 жыл бұрын

2a@@MapleFried

@gregstinkston7634

2 жыл бұрын

Christ man that place sounds like a nightmare. How's office life?

@treefingers1183

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregstinkston7634 don't answer it Mark, it's a trap

@EvilWillYT

2 жыл бұрын

It was true over 2 years ago when I left with my own 5 years of experience, I honestly never imagined it changing, even after losing a bunch of important people; like the Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and Stadia cert leads. I trained(alongside MANY other people) a bunch of them before they were leads or higher. Everyone saw the same sinking ship ,man. Edit: I'm no longer 3rd party and have been first party for 2 years, boy is it better but still under paid.

"I've been on those teams of Globetrotters" wow just slipped that brag right in there

Leave it to Pat to drop the image of two cops blowing each other behind a Wendy’s during this engaging and serious conversation.

@Mantis47

2 жыл бұрын

He also dropped the image of a huge, spread asshole and a massive cock during the Diablo Immortal conversation. Pat was kinda horny during this podcast.

@keltzar1

Жыл бұрын

The best part is that it doesn't feel out of place at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if it's actually happened.

Oh boy, saw QA and that the video was 40+ mins long. Knew it was gonna be good

24:16 in my city in south New Mexico, three patty wagons and two or three patrol cars all basically camp like an MMO grinding spot near this golden valley of speed traps: A school zone in an intersection with a hardware store and school they all park in that goes from 25 to 40 MPH ten feet away from the school on either ends and in a farming area where a lot of convenient trees and bushes block the school zone hour signs. They even pull you over for "swerving"; everyone I know magically becomes swerving drunk on just that patch of road. They will all swarm you once you're pulled over and they're very eager to start the conversation with "Whatever excuse you got, Zero Tolerence, liscence and registration, punk!"

hearing woolie talk about QA is both vindicating, and brings back bad memories

I love Woolie's QA gaiden stories.

Absolutely love love love when Woolie talks about QA, an entire occupation I really don't know anything about. I miss Matt being on the podcast to chime in with his own experiences at times like these.

@kevinc5705

2 жыл бұрын

Agree to disagree, at least about the Matt part as I enjoy QA talk with woolie.

@gameb9oy

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know if Matt ever added that much, but I do wish they’d find some more guests on occasion. I love these idiots, but an occasional third would help keep this podcast from feeling like an echo chamber at times

@zanethezaniest274

2 жыл бұрын

Matt always worked well with the boys cuz he was the ‘middle man’ or ‘straight guy’ in the convo, trying to pull Pat or Woolie back down to reality when things got too crazy. Controversial I know but I always enjoyed those Play-throughs where Matt was paired up with Woolie and or Pat.

@Draliseth

2 жыл бұрын

@@gameb9oy I usually don't think they're really echo-y but it'd be nice to have Plague on just for funsies.

@gwotkid8314

2 жыл бұрын

Good riddance to the dead weight, QA talk is always a good time

Remember the in-house bug montage people. CDPR primarily relied on In-House QA which did find the majority of the problems but was shutdown and ignored by management.

I feel like consulting companies in general have alot of the issues Woolie is mentioning. I do metallurgical failure analysis and we will occasionally take over projects from other companies that have no idea how to conduct a failure analysis. Most material engineers will maybe conduct 2-3 failure analyses in their whole career. I see 2-3 a week when we are slow. I have 12 years of experience working in this industry and I dont have a very high opinion about my capabilities as a failure analyst. But when I see the work some other incompetent ass hat does I feel really great about myself. Woolie is right. The people that have the experience working the jobs are the ones that need to do the majority of the work. Not sit back and manage the project. It makes a huge difference.

@josh-oo

2 жыл бұрын

*analyses Not trying to be rude. Just trying to help you out in the future.

@locke2517

2 жыл бұрын

@@josh-oo good catch thanks 😊

@josh-oo

2 жыл бұрын

@@locke2517 Happy to help. :D

Straight-up, at the worst job I ever had, the most productive thing I did with my time there was use their internet to search for and apply to other jobs.

This was the opinion that I wanted to hear the most, I heard of this news and instantly thought of Woolie. Thank you for all of this!

Man, it's so cool when these chucklefucks actually talk about the stuff they're very experienced and confident in. Reminds you of the stuff that sets this podcast apart. My favorite podcast moments are always ones like these, where Woolie is talking about his QA skills or Pat is talking about his being wrong skills. This is why i always tune into CSB.

I never finished the game, but I got most of the way through it near launch. While I certainly didn't have a glitchless experience, it was miles better than the experience I had heard was going to occur. That might be me looking through gorilla fist tinted glasses thought.

@bigrubberfist2945

2 жыл бұрын

Way better now caught cyberpunk for like $30 for the PS5 and the worst bug I had was falling the ground on my first playthrough because I got on a motorcycle upside down but it never happened again and I'm legitimately surprised I didn't encounter a quest breaking glitch for a an open world rpg like this at least compared to old Bethesda games that have quite a few to this day

@skeetersfunhouse4002

2 жыл бұрын

The huge difference was playing it on a pc, it wasnt gitchless, but it was easy to forget. Had a few instances of "bethesdas bug" where it was hard to tell if something was a glitch or just a easy to manipulate part of the game.

@kapkant6197

2 жыл бұрын

When I played Cyberpunk I had a bug where Judy turned towards the camera and recited my full name and address before going back to her normal dialogue

Been waiting for this clip to share with my friends who took the parachute from QA earlier this year

I know that when I saw the QA scandal developing, Woolie would most likely talk about it

Absolutely LOVE these conversations! Fascinating.

Man I remember when 2k had that system where the tester has to log a certain number of points and each bug’s severity has a point assigned to them (high would be three low would be 1 and Dupes and NABs are -1).

was super happy to hear this story come out because I knew we'd get more QA discussions like this one. And just as a side note, I have seen those lists of higher ups leaving and I've also been parts of projects where juniors with 1-2 years of experience get labeled as seniors. Boy is it a fun time and you know it's going to be fun before it even starts

@normandy2501

2 жыл бұрын

The military is that way as well. Officers, who have to have a degree to even be in their spots, often had less experience than the regular airmen working on the floor that they managed from an office somewhere. They expect X to be done, but do know how difficult or impossible it is in certain time frame. I think I was barely over a year or two into my career and was assigned to train one of them on my job. For a college graduate, it was weird to see how clueless and out of his element he was on the floor. The more experienced/talented people though will just get more stuff assigned to them while the newer people can end up lagging behind due to less people available to train them. Training is definitely an issue at my current job, and it's only going to get worse as they continue to hire a bunch of new people in anticipation for operations to ramp up again soon. The older guys get resentful because they keep getting the heavier loads, and the newer people (if they care) feel like it will be damn near a year before they're given the real chance to progress in the most minor if ways.

I played Cyberpunk on PC on release and didn't have any of the issues that were circulating online. The two that stick out that I remember are changing your pants made you naked, and killing an enemy netrunner would leave their hacking UI on your screen until you reloaded. My brother on the other hand, played on PS4 pro, and the game crashed AT LEAST once everytime he played, and other bugs like not being able to shoot until he restarted, cars popping in from loading so slow they appear in other cars and just blow up, etc. It was interesting seeing first-hand how vastly different our experiences were.

The only people who had relatively glitch free experiences with Cyberpunk played on PC. If you played on console and claim there were few bugs you're completely full of it. The PS4 and Xbox One versions were held together with rubber bands. Still charged 60 dollars for them though.

@TheJadedJames

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I played it on PS4 on launch. It was a barely playable mess. I later replayed it on PS5 before and after the next-gen update, only after the update were there no problems

I’m one if the people who had no major glitches when I played it on release day 1. I had the Tpose on the bike glitch once, but that only happened once and it stopped as soon got off. I also had a car fall through the floor, but I just summoned it again and it came right back.

i just finished cyberpunk 2077 on my series x yesterday and it was incredibly fun very enjoyable experience sucks to hear about these sitatuions and how the work culture and sketchy shit that happens can really fuck over projects i just feel bad for the average worker who has to deal with shitty managment and other bs that is out of their control you can feel the talent and passion in cyberpunk but it is what it is i suppose videogames sure are hard especially with aarogant greedy managers and CEO's who think pushing out a product early isnt a big deal

@TheDapperDragon

2 жыл бұрын

Fuck off, the game wasn't rushed. By their own admission, it was finished in Febuary, but 'delayed to polish it further'. CDPR has ALWAYS made bottom of the barrel, buggy shit-storms.

this is going to come off as a bit of a "my uncle said so; trust me," but I used to be friends with someone who did QA for Cyberpunk and he was one of the laziest and more irresponsible people I've ever met, to the point he kept complaining about how "hard" the job was, when all he did was play gacha and leak shit to our discord server. And even he was well aware of how fucked the game was before release. to add the part about testers being people with less than 6 months of experience: 2077 was his first ever QA job. He didn't even have any work experience in general and just got in out of, in his own words "sheer luck" so yeah, all this is to say, no one in the group was surprised about the state of the game at launch

Mostly the glitches I got was the ones that made random cars explode. Or some weird interactions. The car exploding was funny though. "oh shit they got glitched" sounds cyberpunk.

Interesting conversation. Although I was definitely seething listening to Woolie describe how assertiveness and confidently stating the needs for the fighting game projects was successful.... Try that as a woman, I have years and years of experience of being shut down by spineless weasel managers who don't listen to a word I say and the projects go to shit while I have no authority to push them through. (I work in another downstream-from-the-devs industry at comparably large and notable companies to Blizzard/Bethesda/Etc.)

is it me or is pat lookin slimmer these days

@ExaltedUriel

2 жыл бұрын

Might just be the new setup or what he's wearing, but he certainly appears less orb-like than before

@adams3627

2 жыл бұрын

He mentioned on the podcast that he'd been losing weight as a natural side effect of accidentally relocating himself into a sensible sleep schedule.

@MrStath1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@adams3627 This. He's also walking more thanks to 'Gief and has finally clocked on that the energy drinks aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Best thing I experienced in cyberpunk was Kojima T posing in the hotel. I laughed so hard I cried!

Cyberpunk had a dedicated LQA office at Lionbridge Brossard. They were shuffled into compliance and barely did any LQA by the end.

QA seems like the most toxic work environment you could work in that doesn't involve being at Blizzard

@altosforteaquax5083

2 жыл бұрын

You should work at a car lot with its own on site mechanic shop. The war zone that forms in between these two different departments is massive.

@Dasaltwarrior

2 жыл бұрын

@@altosforteaquax5083 That sounds like the same thing but one side has access to blunt weapons, so that checks out honestly

@altosforteaquax5083

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dasaltwarrior Sales has scissors and letter openers. That's slashing and piercing vs bludgeoning damage.

Oh this is going to be good

To the 100% comment: Yes! I know a guy that busted his ass at Best Buy's warehouse & when they finally let him transfer, they found a different way of keeping him working that job, though he was officially supposed to be elsewhere in the warehouse. They refused to transfer him, because he was too good to lose. He had to quit.

Speaking of cyberpunk and bugs, I just picked up the game again 2 weeks ago and I ran into a game breaking bug! I finished the second to last Delamane mission and it bugged out my phone, I couldn't send or receive calls anymore, well 90% of the games missions start and/or end with a call, meaning I could no longer play the game outside of ambient encounters. The kicker is that I spent 5 hours just doing those ambient NCPD encounters before I even noticed so when I had to sift through autosaves to find one where I could still make calls I lost a lot of progress.

Why does Pat have a Resident Evil mansion key?

@pyropoyo

2 жыл бұрын

He and Paige are moving into the Spencer Estate, obviously?

@kapkant6197

2 жыл бұрын

Why don't you?

@Mr.Faust3

2 жыл бұрын

Pat’s secretly creating BOWs of zangief

Woolie connecting with the bug database like its the Matrix

Godamn, Lotta that shit testers on the ground floor are dealing with sounds an awful lot like the trades, Woolie would've made a good tradesman

I never really saw any of the like... really fucky stuff that people saw of experience. Granted, I was playing on PC with a relatively decent system. It played well, for the most part, and was... not bug-free but the bugs I did see weren't that bad or couldn't be solved with a quick game reboot. What I did see though were some peak Eurojank design decisions. Like the Sniper Rifle that could shoot through everything, including the game world. Some else was a very high rarity grenade you could build that only cost 2 low rarity comps and when you dismantled it, it would give you just a host of high rarity comps. So, I just made a macro and farmed that for a few hours and was set forever.

Basically it's all about integrity. Either a company has integrity or it doesn't.

4:24 I bought the game on PC (AMD 3600, 16GB RAM, GTX 1660 Super) the day version 1.21 dropped and the only major bugs i dealt with were extended drops to single digit framerates when having too many crafting items in my inventory (cool, i'll just make more health kits or upgrade my gear) and one cutscene where the lighting broke that was fixed by reloading my save. The game was at that point and still is on patch 1.6 no buggier than Fallout 4. 140+ hours and $60 well spent

Maybe not on assembly line, but I would work my ass off at a Ritz cracker factory. There products probably make up a significant percentage of my body

I'd like to shout out Upper Echelon Gaming's coverage of this whole thing. I'd also be interested in Woolie and Pat look into the 'fun' specifics of the unmitigated shit-show the company in question allegedly run on, for years, while receiving major contracts from multiple AAA studios.

I had a friend at work who played through the game without many bugs. He said he had almost no issues except for one crash.

More of this please, Woolie; if you were to teach a master class on QA on this or another channel, I'd watch it.

I managed to play CP77 on my old-ass rig (i5 4690K 4thread @3.5Ghz on a 2014mobo, 32Gb DDR3 (win7pro), GTX1070, worked as long as I could skip cutscenes). It was not a polished experience by any means, nor was it worth the price for the quality on that box. The ASUS gaming laptop with which I replaced it runs it flawlessly. Oddly enough, one of the earlier patches had better NPC variety on my old rig than the current patch, which clones them more often.

38:40 my gawd I can so relate to that.😅

10:40 stonesword key has been used

I completed the game just fine on my machine without seeing much of the crazy stuff. One time in the garage with the AI car things went sideways when I clipped through the floor. That was only once, and was probably because my machine couldn't handle the light effects. I could deliberately or accidentally cause the T Pose stuff IF I left two VM's on that took 8 gigs of my system so my daughters could do school work because COVID. But I have a monster system with Quad Channel ram and I suspect that addressed most of the causes of the bugs. I helped troubleshoot one fool who was having lots of glitches, but he foolishly thought having 1 stick of 16 gig ram was a good idea. That might "work" but it's the less than proper setup. Too many PC gamers "think" they have good systems and really they just randomly picked parts that sounded cool and not stuff that works well together.

So I completed the whole of cyberpunk with a PS4 copy ran on a ps5 I came across perhaps three or four bugs one being game breaking to the point i had to start a new playthrough. And a lot of game crashes but my experience was nowhere near as crazy as what people had been documenting and putting online.

ah yes, the perfect shitstorm that is cyberpunk

I'll tell you right now that I got way more bugs after the updates. I've got a 6 core ryzen with a 1660 GPU, I ran the settings on mid//low settings. I got some NPC and car pop in, but other then that I didn't get any of the crazy shit. Maybe because I was running everything with dirt settings? I mean the game still looks great on low so it didn't bother me too much. Then again I can't be trusted. I've been wanting this kind of game when I first played Shadowrun on the SNES back in the day.

The moral of the story is clearly "never trust companies with 'Quantic' in their name."

See I would buy the QA story cdpr put out, and it probably still rings true somewhat, I just don't understand how no one on the dev team turned the game on and played it for like an hour and just saw?

@ethicalcheeze1407

2 жыл бұрын

They probably did, but it was too late in the development process to do anything about it

@jimbob1862

2 жыл бұрын

Iirc an update to this story came out with a bunch of CDPR Devs basically saying they were aware and point mainly to management as the issue. Hell, when the cyberpunk crunch stories first came out there were leaks of Devs making reels of the funniest bugs. They knew, it's just that they couldn't really do much to fix them in time.

@Maldito011316

2 жыл бұрын

Development is just so hyper focused that they see bugs and think "Not my problem" and go back to work on their area

I did not beat the game. On pc In the prolouge all the props in one room jittered and exploded. And the cutscene where your friend dies. We both had a gun in hand the whole time. Other than that. Almost nothing. Cars jitter occasionally. But I did not even get halfway I will admit.

Cyberpunk currently runs pretty fucking well, at least on my machine. But yeah, this game should have been left longer in the oven. They had all their pre-order money and still decided to release a broken game, or were forced to by investors. Regardless, it wasnt ready, and now it seems they are completely abandoning the game too before releasing all the content they promised. I personally think the game is like a 7/10, not the Cyberpunk GTA I hoped for, but I was really hoping they would keep improving it like the NMS devs did with their game.

In my first playthrough, at launch, I had two crashes from start to finish - both of which were after 70 hours in. I loved the game. Legit, it's probably my favourite open-world RPG. I had some bugs, but nothing major. I replayed Fallout New Vegas last year and found way more constant bugs and crashes in that, a 10 year old game. Other people had a worse time. Some people had a worse time professionally and made videos of the bugs they encouraged and encountered for views. And that's a shame, because I swear the game is fantastic and most people will still see it as 'the buggy game' because that's what was most prominent at launch. Part of it was the hype, because I've gone through worse bugs and more crashes in other games but there was no widescale cacophony about it. Oh well. Here's hoping for less bugs and more polish in every big name game going forward (doubtful).

@kevindedios7372

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much similar experience. Had some issues but on my PS4 pro I basically had a clean playthrough. Was very disheartened how much of a meme the bugs have overtaken the games quality. Hope things improve.

@adams3627

2 жыл бұрын

As New Vegas has gotten older it’s become more crash prone, I’ve found. That game desperately needs a remake.

Like.

See, all of this MIGHT have some weight, were it not CDPR accusing them. The company nigh famous for being liars and snakes.

So i played through Cyberpunk on steam over the last like 3 weeks. I experienced no major glitches. There were cutscenes where models acted funky and one CTD but honestly thats kind of par for the course for open world games. The one thing i saw often was when you summoned the motorcycle, it would get to you and do a little frontflip because it stops too fast, but that was more adorable than frustrating. All in all i thought the game was amazing.

Hot take but the whole drama about the glitches and the shitty console versions were a bit of a blessing in disguise for CDPR, because whenever Cyberpunk gets mentioned, the discourse is always about the glitches and how it was allowed to be released in that state, and NOT about how incredibly mid it is, that after promising a revolution in gaming history and a before and after in RPGs, if you fixed all the bugs and glitches you'd end with a kind of mediocre GTA/Action RPG game with a rather bland story. A 6/10 at best, it doesn't even feel like it was made by the same team that made The Witcher series.

I can explain the mismanagement of why companies keep bad employees on purpose. But it's one of the things that get youtubed. Which only makes me more concerned and angry that I can't tell more people.

@RipOffProductionsLLC

2 жыл бұрын

Is it "I don't want to admit that I screwed up by hiring this garbage guy in the first place by firing him, so I'll pretend he is fine and didn't screw up"?

passing the buck to the qa team is kind of laughable really. yeah the bugs where annoying if you got them (i only got a few and they were mostly just little funny ones), but after a couple months most of them where cleaned up. what the real problem of the game was that it was technically kinda of rudimentary; the open world was stale and un-interactive and the combat ai was stupid and mixed with very limited enemy range got pretty boring. The besat parts of the game where the hyper scriped mission that where on rails (i.e. the Jonny flashback in the tower (and that’s mostly because of the gun) and the diving mission with Judy) and those felt few and far between if you did side stuff.

If you didn't know what was going on... Some ppl would think this is a live QA Interview and Pat is a sarcastic media super villain and Woolie is a wholesome QA tester looking for another Goliath to join for a few months.🤯😂🧠💯🙏🏽

the very idea of a "quota" is just plain stupid, regardless of what context it applies to... it's the kind of brain-dead "solution" that has never helped anything and never will. and to make matters worse "how to track knowledge-worker performance and optimize profits based on it" is a solved problem: it's called a "velocity chart" and get this, your dev-ops tool can even report it automatically!!

If you don't care about your job at the cracker factory, then you should be fired

@tbotalpha8133

2 жыл бұрын

lmao sure thing, kiddo

@altosforteaquax5083

2 жыл бұрын

@@tbotalpha8133 I'm sure YOU think you sound like an adult.

@stevenclark5173

2 жыл бұрын

That's going to be a very empty factory very quickly. If you want people to care about menial jobs then either pay them more or form a cooperative where the workers have have partial ownership and a say over how everything runs.