I have been sailing for years with an Outremer 45, you have no idea what crazy situations I came out of easily, for a CAT this is nothing. I must also tell you that when that CAT returns, thanks to the higher speed of a monohull, it will be able to sail better with the sea in the stern and it will return without problems, with the monohull you risk being turned with this sea in the stern and you have a little rudder, compared to the CAT.

@wyskass861

Жыл бұрын

To be fair you must consider the disadvantages of a cat, In longer wavelengths swells and higher heights, the Cat's increased form stability will cause much higher accelerations and a much more unpleasant ride, The cat is like a car with a stiffer suspension. It's more stable but a rougher ride. Too much stability creates less comfort, and must be limited for comfort in an offshore cruisers, The other major disadvantage is the a cat which capsizes, will not recover. It will have more stiffness in stability up to a point and then it will be more stable upside down. A monohull with lower CG and low ballast can be designed to right itself, while being less twitchy. These are factors to consider for offshore global cruising, that maybe less important that speed in moderate conditions. A cat is like a sports car, but when you go offroad a softer more survivable 4x4 will be a better choice,

@angela1984a

9 ай бұрын

@@wyskass861 Another factor seems to be modern weather prediction. How many sailing KZread-channels have capsized due to bad weather?... Are there any at all?... And many of those are or have been on cats... Not heeling when sailing and not rolling at anchor are also factors when it comes to comfort...

@Mordalo

25 күн бұрын

@@angela1984a I think there have been 2 non racing cat capsizes in the last 30 years.

That Lagoon Sailing Cat has less than 100HP engine.. so it show you that good hull design and not horse Power rule the game

@swabby913

11 ай бұрын

An ebbing tide helps. Lol. Probably wouldn't want to come back in.

@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus

Ай бұрын

@@swabby913 prolly be ok except at peak flow.

The Capt of the Blue Heron is good! Anyone can really pound their way out through the inlets, it's coming back in with a huge following sea that separates the good Capt's from show boaters and idiots! Good job!

@pieterhoekstra9887

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, a following sea with steep swells separates the know how from the oh sh1t what now.

Awesome footage. As far as your question, why would anyone sail a monohull, well they weren’t exactly sailing were they. They have were motoring straight into waves, and they did quite well if you ignore the spaghetti noodle forestay. However if you look at cats under sail in rough conditions, you will see the difference, unless you get into a performance cat or trimaran. Cost would be a major issue, also cost for dockage is substantially more. Most marinas cannot lift out these beasts with 27’ beams. Many many benefits and a few draw backs with Cats.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

My dream boat would be a cat around 48'. But definitely something built for performance like a Chris White designs Atlantic. That's where the benefits of a catamaran shine. Sleek, light, minimalist, narrow hulls, high bridgedeck clearance. So many catarans kill the benefits of the design by being heavy, carrying too much weight forward, having wide hulls, having flybridges that force the mainsail crazy high making for extremely high centre of effort on the sails, not enough bridgedeck clearance so are slamming with the slightest waves, etc. There are a lot of ways to ruin a catamaran. But done right they're wonderful to sail on and worth putting up with the cons as far as I'm concerned!

That Lagoon did some work

That 31 OM is 🔥🔥🔥

@patriciawhitehead1976

3 жыл бұрын

❤

I'm in love with catamarans they are the best!

@1320fastback

3 жыл бұрын

We just took the Jet Cats from Long Beach to Catalina Island. While much bigger they are super stable.

What lens are you shooting with? Also when Blue Heron 2 comes in, so pro, good timing.

Dude you rock, love the voice overdue. 💙from Texas OM31 solute.

I love catamaran💙

that lagoon captain did good turning his bow 35-45 degrees to absorb some of the larger waves on his beam, but he could have at least secured his dink on the davits a bit better. also, that one for sure has upgraded twin 57 hp Yanmars.

Jupiter looks rougher than Haulover, but much prettier. Very nice!

Very satisfying.

Blue heron I was on back in 80's, jets skied inlet old stand up back then also. Jupiter inlet is dangerous, it's a fine line to get through with reef there breaking waves.

To answer the question in the video: Catamarans are like dining room tables - hard to turn over, but if they go over, they stay over. Also they have no "give," if a sea or wind hits them, they don't absorb like a spring and then spring back. Monohulls do. Catamarans just take it, but break if the sea or wind hits them too hard. Multihulls also have a very quick, jerky motion. Monohulls can be designed to have a slow, easy motion. I sailed a monohull from Seattle to Hong Kong, via the scenic route. Don't get me wrong, I am not partisan about the question.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

Catamarans don't have a hull speed limit and are very light, so they dump energy from gusts by accelerating. Completely different from a monohull. Also, because catamarans are way more stable for a variety of reasons, it takes about 4X more wave energy and 9X more wind energy to capsize a catamaran compared to a monohull. One reason people don't think about is that you have a lot of weight far from the centre of rotation. Think about twisting a barbell back and forth that has the weights right next to your hand, vs out at the end of the bar. It's way harder the farther from centre the weights are, right? That's in addition to getting stability from the wide stance vs a keel. Keel boats need to heel, and the more they do, the more the keel's righting force increases. Combine this with the fact the sail dumps wind as the boat leans over and you have a very forgiving boat that gives you obvious signs when you're pushing it too hard. A catamaran is most stable when the windward hull is just out of the water - around 10° - and looses stability past that point. So it doesn't give you the same forgiveness or obvious signs of being pushed too hard like a monohull does. But in the same conditions with the same sail area up, the monohull is more likely to capsize. And most monohulls don't just shrug it off when they roll - the mast snaps, the boat fills with water, ports blow out nd start letting water in etc. and that can lead to the boat sinking. Some people prefer the jerkier motion of a catamaran as it leads to less sea sickness vs the rolling of a monohull. It's also easier to use the head, cook, sleep, move around the boat etc when the boat is level all the time vs trying to go about daily life with the boat heeled over at 20°. That's a matter of personal preference though, not anything objectively better.

Wow even that big cat had his work cut out great footage man 👍🇨🇦

I love cats but I also love monohull yachts and I can see the benefits and appeal of both; you gain and lose something with both of them. You also need to understand; that is not a big sea by any stretch of the imagination.

Pretty impressive to see that Lagoon sailing cat head out! Not the conditions for that boat... thanks for another great video!

@victorlorraine6596

3 жыл бұрын

How do you figure it’s not the conditions for that boat? That boat is made to sail around the world

@elianselmi4099

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorlorraine6596 Sailing cats are designed for open water.. with a keel and going out on a wake break area, not really designed for those conditions... generally when seas get tough, you seek shelter in protected bays, not shallow wake breaking areas :-)

@victorlorraine6596

3 жыл бұрын

@@elianselmi4099 what happens when you’re in the open ocean and can’t shelter? These boats are 100% made for rough water .... If this boat can’t handle these seas at an inlet it may as well never leave safe harbor ..... look around and you will find these vessels in much rougher weather then this in the southern ocean doing spectacular

@elianselmi4099

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorlorraine6596 yeah, they can take some weather... I am aware of that. Are you aware that there is a huge sandbar right at the entrance on that inlet.. VERY shallow water (that's why the wave breaking)... they was another sailing vessel (about a 55' monohull that ran aground at the entrance on the boca inlet (same sandbar) and almost capsized?

@pieterhoekstra9887

3 жыл бұрын

@@elianselmi4099 That sail boat landed on the rocks to the left of the inlet. That cat firstly doesn't have a keel as deep as a mono hull, secondly they travel around the world in cats that size. The only downfall with them is that there's no chance of it righting itself once turned turtle.

About 1 minute in a big commercial vessel passes by. I'll bet the skipper of that boat would listen to all the comments here, then just smile and say "You could be right!"

I am addicted to the Gunboat 68 Catamaran.

@FtLMale1

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you have very deep pockets. LOL

@Eric06410

2 жыл бұрын

@@FtLMale1 nope

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

That would go through these waves as smooth as a train on rails.

@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus

Ай бұрын

An addiction much more costly than Heroin.

Great video

Cool beans

Love Ocean Masters

Ever considered an aerial drone? It is obvious that the wave pattern is complex, but it is difficult to see from the shore.

G’day mate. Nice videos. I wouldn’t mind if you zoomed out a little occasionally just to get some perspective on the seas vs boat. Nice work all the same 👍 Cheers 🍻

Great boat name " Get a Job " !

Scout one of the best heavy weather seafarers

The lagoon is a capable world traveler , but, all vessels have their limits. To question the lagoons capability this day and place is rather absurd. Most blue water yachties try to rig based on extreme conditions. I tend to find sailing captains much more capable , in general, than powered captains. My 2 cents but I've been both.

@user-jumbibead

2 жыл бұрын

@@domenicv7962 and ignorance is bliss...

@user-jumbibead

2 жыл бұрын

@@domenicv7962 Ahhhhhh. no. You don't seem to understand what ignorance means. It is not an insult to your intelligence. It simply means your lack of knowledge about something is unknown to you, so, you don't worry about it. "You don't know what you don't know". The biblical story of Adam eating the forbidden fruit of knowledge and sentencing man to forever be tormented by pursuing knowledge, insinuates that maybe, sometimes, not knowing is the way to bliss. The only way you could be insulted is if you mistakingly thought the word ignorance meant stupid, in which case, would mean, well...,. you are.... in need of more information on the subject. Just a thought ,though... Why has man crossed rivers, lakes, and oceans for thousands of years , on sailboats, if sailboats are dangerous. I did not insult you , nor do I want to ,but, I've been led to believe an informed opinion carries more weight of truth than an uniformed opinion . I think my insinuation that you "might be" ignorant on the subject of sailboats is fair and not insulting. Your "opinion" is extreme ,yet, I know of no extreme evidence to back up your assertion. Could I be the one who is ignorant on sailboats? Doubtful, due to my lifetime experience with them, but, meh....maybe; but, I'm definitely not stupid or a snowflake who gets offended by the slightest crosswind.

@kn6123

Жыл бұрын

"Capable world traveler"? With their structural problems and the rudders being placed *in front of the propellers*? You're joking.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

@@kn6123 I had to look up about the props being behind the rudders. That's a weird design! Issues I can think of: 1. engine weight is farther aft necessitating a flared hull aft, the combo of weight and buoyancy far from centre would make for more hobby horsing. 2. Reversing will blast the rudder and want to turn it to the side. Would have to really lock the rudder centred when reversing. 3. You have to go out on the exposed stern to get at the engine which could be problematic in big seas. 4. If the stern lifts up too high (eg surfing) the props will cavitate. The one pro is that I guess it makes for more living space forward. Not worth it in my mind. But I always think of Lagoons as being dock queens, or good for toodling around the bay. Their fat hulls, low bridgedeck clearance, weight forward, flybridges making the main sail really high (equals high centre of effort), back swept spreaders making it impossible to let the main sail out very far for downwind sailing, etc make them poor performers for many, many reasons. As a liveaboard or for entertaining and motoring when its calm or in protected areas, sure. For sailing or Bluewater cruising, no. There are way more capable catamarans out there.

@kn6123

Жыл бұрын

@@truhartwood3170 yes I'm not an expert but I agree with everything you said except I think just the engines being further aft is ok. I think it's basically the case with all catamarans, even performance cats. I think too much living space is overrated, it's the "floating condo" people talk about, but I'm starting to think heavier (non-performance) cats are ok because sailing on a beam reach with performance cats can be a concern if you don't know what you're doing (which I'm not that experienced so...), but I did sail a big heavy cat before and, man, it was a LONG, BORING sail.

Lagoon Was a Beast

Catamarans are built for that life.

Catamarans cost twice as monohull and twice the marina slip fees. Maintenance is right up there as well. Great video💖

@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle

Жыл бұрын

does this apply to powered cats?

@angela1984a

9 ай бұрын

@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Why wouldn't it?

@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle

9 ай бұрын

@@angela1984a There are equipment differences.

@angela1984a

9 ай бұрын

@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle There are of course all sorts of variations between two different boats. But a cat is still going to be wider and have two hulls. But price will of course always vary depending on the design brief.

The guy at 01:30 knew what he was doing.

The designer of the Lagoon 450 should be embarrassed that they probably didn't follow its engineering and construction mandate cuz he has designed some of the fastest Advanced catamarans in the world throughout the year that he should be proud of and now there all going to need rebuilt bulkheads throughout cuz I'm sure they didn't do it to his specification in the designs which led to their demonstrate problems that took years for them even to admit was a problem but I'm glad to see Lagoon's finally taking some responsibility and maybe they'll actually take full responsibility and make everyone whole and they're boats safe!

Why would anyone sail a monohull? Because to buy a 42' mono sailboat it doesn't cost you $750,000. Used.That's why. Love the channel, very mesmerizing!

@0:20 damn good captain

🤔And it's a lagoon absolute shocker. 😂

When sailing cats have their sails out the force on the mast pushes those cutter bows down and cuts right through the waves.

There goes their bulkheads…

@2321brendan

Жыл бұрын

creeekkk squeeekkk snapppooo. And not a life jacket in sight. What a legend.Hope hes got a saw and fibreglass handy.

⛵🎣🌊

Steel monohull for me thanks. They right themselves. You get to live another day.

@wisenber

2 жыл бұрын

"They right themselves. " Or sink.

@sadenuttie2234

2 жыл бұрын

Would rather not capsize in the first place, especially in the conditions that you are talking about (conditions that would tip a big multihull)

@Lethal_Giggles

2 жыл бұрын

Catamarans are more stable than monohulls

@roslolian11

2 жыл бұрын

Cats are more stable and less prone to capsizing than monos

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

Monohulls need to right themselves because they tip over so much. Catamaran owners don't worry about self-righting because they're not worried about capsizing. Good luck even trying to roll a large cruising catamaran. I'll take a boat that doesn't capsize and can't sink to one that is happy to do both.

Yes the Cat Sail Boat is Stable now BUT THE SAILS AREN'T UP...Yes it's still more Stable than a Mono Hull.

Saw a few salty Capt in this one. You would want a monohull with a full keel. They self right. My husband and his friend coming in Ocracoke in a 36' nauticat after a storm. The channel shifts. They got hit hard and she popped right up. It's about 2nd chances 🤣

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

Yes, if you have a boat that falls over, you want it to be able to get up again... Or you could just get a boat that doesn't fall over.

4:48 Because monohulls look nicer to many people and they are far more affordable. When I think of a "cheap catamaran," I'm talking about $15,000. When I think of a cheap monohull, I'm talking about $5,000.

@TheMaw365

2 жыл бұрын

It's also maintenance cost and time. 2engines, 2 props, 2 rudders etc. But then you also get the redundancy. Each to their own and it's good there is a choice.

At 20 + feet wide parking is an issue.

👍👍😎⚓

No real sailor would ever want a catamaran. Stability isn't all you are making it out to be. When the going gets rough you want a boat that responds and points where you need it to, when you need it to. Nothing is better than a well balanced full displacement sailboat with a deep keel.

You asked the question, so here's the answer. Cats are becoming more popular all the time. However they are bistable, meaning they are just as stable upside down. Prehaps even more so than rightside up. Monohulls tend to be selfrighting.

@FtLMale1

2 жыл бұрын

All true, the weighted keel will keep them upright, even as they sink. There are advantages and disadvantages on every design... you need to examine them closely and see which better alignes with your sailing goals.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you have to ask yourself if you want a boat that will right itself after being capsized (with a broken mast, popped potholes, and a hull full of water, and is most stable on the bottom thanks to the heavy keel, but at least will be upright on the sea floor!) or a boat that just won't capsize in the first place, but theoretically if it does, won't ever sink and is habitable upside down.

@chuckaddison5134

Жыл бұрын

@@truhartwood3170 Capsizing cats are certainly not 'theoritical'. It happens all too often. Beam on seas are a death knell to cats. And, It It will eventually sink. And if you mean habitable upside down, then how long can you stay immersed in seawater without suffering I'll effects? Can you sleep in seawater? Can you cook upside down? Will the engine(s) run? Allowing you to make fresh water? A cat cannot be self righted, while the monohull will, generally self right. Once done the seawater can be pumped out, the 'popped' portholes repaired, masts and rigging jury rigged to gain some propulsion. And just maybe the engine can be dewatered enough to get it running. If it comes to rescue, then monohulls would sit higher in the water, that along with any metal mast or rigging still aboard making a much better radar reflection than an upside down cat. Also once repaired, you can escape the weather to a much greater degree than clinging to an upsidedown cat hull. And in both cases, the air in the hull is what keeps them afloat, once that's gone they both will become a new addition to Davy Jones locker.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckaddison5134 Yes, cats *can* capsize, but the likelihood isn't worth worrying about with a large, modern cruising cat. It's like electric vehicle fires, they get reported specifically because they're so rare and people like to villainize them. Plus a photo of a flipped cat looks a lot more dramatic than a photo of a bare patch of water where the monohull on the bottom *used* to be floating. You have to go out in some pretty stupid weather and do some pretty stupid things to flip a cat, or be insanely unlucky. Cats that flip are almost always small and/or racing boats being pushed to the limit. A broadside wave sounds like it should flip a cat, but tests in wave simulators have shown that the wave tends to sweep out the bottom hull and right the cat before the cat can fully tip over. It takes a far bigger wave to tip a cat than a monohull. It also takes far more wind energy to flip a cat. Monohull sailors dont understand that cats dump energy by accelerating, not heeling, so you need to look for different signs to gauge how much sail to have up and be more attentive to the conditions. Monohull sailors see a cat go from 10° of heel to flipping and think they're unstable, but it takes a huge amount of force to get it even that far when your talking about big cruising boats. If you sail conservatively and put up the right amount of sail for the conditions you have nothing to worry about. Cruising catamarans with foam sandwich construction sit very high in the water when flipped or holed, and likely one hull is completely out of the water and dry (no, the air in the catamaran is not the only thing that makes it float - it's also the air in the foam inside the hull. If you completely submerged a catamaran until every bit of it was filled with water and then let it go, it would pop back to the surface and drain out). They're designed with emergency hatches so you can still get in and out when flipped, there are areas that can act as bunks and seats when flipped that are high and dry. You have all your stores, first aid equipment and emergency gear. And you're sitting on a giant white patch easily spotted from the air. So yeah, you're doing ok if you manage to do something stupid enough or win the reverse lotto and find yourself in a flipped cat. Monhulls heel and flip much easier, which is why monohull sailors are so hung up on boats flipping, while catamaran sailors just don't think about it. Think about it. If keel boats were so much safer don't you think all the fishing and commercial boats plying the Arctic in the worst conditions on the planet would be keel boats? But they're not are they.

@deewight9040

8 ай бұрын

Having owned a big monohull and a big cat I've seen advantages and disadvantages to both types in heavy seas and big storms. Usually due to bad design. It's harder to slow a cat down so at worse it can pitchpole but more difficult for a wave to knock down or rollover one than a monohull. If a monohull losses it's modified keel it will sink. Cats usually have dagger boards.

The reason I would sail a monohull rather than a multihull, is because when things get really, really unstable, a properly designed monohull will come back upright after it capsizes.

@Silvervwolfee

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the only problem with multi-hull boats is that they are very stable upside down. Don't know if it has ever happened but .....

@davidtuttle7556

3 жыл бұрын

@@Silvervwolfee it has many many times

@sailinghopes3943

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re in waters rough enough to flip a cat you’d be pretty lucky to survive in any boat

@sailinghopes3943

2 жыл бұрын

There’s also the saying about there being more upright monohulls sitting on the bottom of the sea than floating upside down cats. 😄😂

@paton57

8 ай бұрын

​@sailinghopes3943 Truth, this miss conception about mono hulls righting themselves is dangerous, mono hulls have a point of no return once past their COG unless specifically designed to upright and there are very few designed that way.

this catamaran need more power in this conditions

0:50 Not as pretty as an Ocean Master, but probably as expensive as a Whiticar!

I just don't get the need for going... Just because your boat can handle it doesn't mean you are not subjecting frame and rigging to massive loads... Wait a few hours for tide change and save beating your vessel up... This isn't impressive, its poor planning and reckless boating.

Coz big cats are big money. Twice & thrice the cost of a mono.

The cat eat all the wawes

My 57 mono would slice right through that slop

all you guys that have never sailed a cruising catamaran are making me laugh about it flipping over etc. first, this catamaran was motoring. ie. it could NEVER flip over. And even sailing, in these conditions it could never flip over. the only time modern catamarans can flip over are going to be in big winds, with full sail, surfing down a massive wave and pitchpoling. in other words, doing stupid stuff. even in massive 25+ waves if a catamaran takes a breaking wave on the beam its simply going to slide down the wave. theres a reason marinas around the world are filled with catamarans. most catamarans made today will lose their rigging before enough force is generated to flip it over. The boat in this video is 25 ft wide and weighs about 16-18 tons depending on what's aboard (gear, water, fuel etc). 25 knots of wind on the beam with full sails (and it should have been reefed before that) wont make it heel more than 10 degrees, and at that point its going to be spilling all the power off the sails. Can a catamaran flip? yes. but you wont find a single documented case of a modern cruising catamaran having been flipped without the captain and crew being culpable in the accident due to negligence or inexperience or both. if you are considering reefing your sails, then they should have already been reefed. and that's the first rule in safely sailing a large fast catamaran.

Why would anyone sail a monohull?? Cost. Catamarans are extremely expensive in comparison. Believe me, many would prefer a cat. But the cost? Yikes.

@sadenuttie2234

2 жыл бұрын

Cost is very good considering how much more useable space you are gaining

😂 you think lagoon's are stable sailboats! They have a history of shabby/ cheap construction with expensive aesthetics so to attract motor sailors which isn't sailing unless you like to sail maybe one of the worst sailboats ever made! A true sailor would never pick this boat cuz we don't like apartments over water that have very little performance capabilities! Plus depending on which Factory it was made out of around the world you might not be able to sleep good over the Lagoon's loud noises the boat makes! A lot of them creek and pop and sound like they're going to fall apart at every wave set! But they sure are pretty so maybe keep them at the marina for cocktail parties so you can stay safe and not die!

I was in a storm on a monohul in Australia and the bigger catamaran next to us broke everyone died in that Cat I will never forget that night

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

Right. And when you came back unscathed in your trusty monohull everyone clapped, right? Cool story bro.

How Original another BOAT NAMED BLUE HERON..

Why would anyone sail a monohull? In 50 knot storm in middle of Atlantic you would know why, also double marina berth costs, double the upfront cost of boat, double the slipping costs. These lagoons are a floating apartment not a yacht they are a slug to sail

You can hear the bulkheads cracking from here in that lagoon lol

@cameronpollard9212

3 жыл бұрын

The lagoon owner should really watch parley revival !!!

@11breaper68

3 жыл бұрын

That lagoon can cross oceans!!!

Not enough power in that cat.

Cat's aren't self righting.

that bulk head in the lagoon is going to go sooner or later. Better repair it before you get yourself in trouble.E: these boats may look stable but these boats are poorly constructed.... watch sailing parlay revival and they're issues fixing the boat

Amazes me people that are clearly inexperienced even try to go out in that

@maddogmaz1576

2 жыл бұрын

Sound to me you have no experience. Those waves are nothing

Why sail a monohull? They're self righting in a capsize for the most part. Marina slips are less expensive. And they point much closer to the wind under sail. In other words, they sail better. The catamaran featured here is basically a houseboat with added mast and other features. Upkeep on them is horrendous.

@renatoardigo5829

Жыл бұрын

I'm not talking about aesthetics, this is something personal, you're talking about boating. I don't know your experience but after 5 years traveling the world with a cat I can guarantee you that you have no idea what you are saying. I come from monohulls, today's technology allows cats incredible things. Cat like Outremer are really fantastic for any occasion, it depends what you are looking for and why.

Why not everyone wants a cat - you need a large cat to get the advantages of one. A true bluewater cruiser should be at least 42' to have narrow enough hulls and still be able to carry enough weight for all the gear and supplies needed for cruising (thicker hulls will sail like a monohull). And the cat will likely cost 40 - 60% more than a similar length monohull, both in initial cost and maintenance and docking fees, though you also get about 40% more internal volume (but less load carrying capacity) than the monohull. So you're not really in the market for a cruising catamaran unless you're deciding between a 42' cat or a 55' monohull. Whereas a 30' monohull is generally considered the minimum length for a bluewater cruisjng monohull, so way more people can afford a cruising monohull. My big lotto win dream boat would be a 48' or so proper cruising catamaran (ie definitely not a Lagoon, probably a Chris White).

I've seen bigger waves in my bathtub.

Take that lagoon out in the open

fenders out are such bad seamanship...

@vicpinto1970

2 жыл бұрын

Here in Rhode Island fenders out in the middle of the bay means you're a member of the Cranston Navy.

@stevedillingham8183

2 жыл бұрын

I believe they were knocked free due rough ride

"Why would anyone sail a monohull?" Because not everyone Likes to ride his bycicle with training wheels. And because cats in tough weather are shit compared to a proper monohull. Things, any sailor knows.

Cats don't sail well.

@sadenuttie2234

2 жыл бұрын

Have you ever sailed in a cat?

@douglaswilliams1792

2 жыл бұрын

@@sadenuttie2234 yup

Sure, cats are stable right up until they flip and then ...you're phucked.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

Well, large, heavy cruising cats don't flip so you don't need to worry.

@DangerClose13E

Жыл бұрын

@@truhartwood3170 LOL Buddy, the seas are littered with capsized cats of all sizes.

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

@@DangerClose13E well, a modern cruising catamaran *can* flip if you go out in incredibly stupid weather and do incredibly stupid things, or win the reverse lotto and get hit by a rouge wave and a microburst at the same time or something. It's just incredibly unlikely and not worth worrying about. I mean, 24 people per year a killed by champagne corks, but we generally don't worry about it even though "graveyards are littered with corpses of people killed by campagne corks". That's a lot more people than those dying on flipped catamarans. So... enjoy the benefits of a fast and spacious catamaran! Just don't take any champagne aboard!

What real sailor would want to go sailing in a “very stable boat”. Large Cats are good for parties etc, but NOT for going sailing.

@timdake

3 жыл бұрын

Large cats are also good for liveaboards. There is a different feel, when catching the wind with a monohull, but cats are great for passagemaking.

@SeaShanty2016

3 жыл бұрын

@@timdake Passage making in sheltered waters yes, but I’d hate to be on a cat during a large storm in the middle of the Atlantic. I realise that times have changed, but years ago I heard of 2 large cats that broke their backs after being in rough weather over an extended period. Apparently the action of the swells caused differential loading on the hulls and over time it weakened the structure.

@sadenuttie2234

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeaShanty2016 there are so many people going around the world in lagoons. They are NOT limited to sheltered waters. Look of sailing nahoa

@SeaShanty2016

2 жыл бұрын

@@sadenuttie2234 There might be lots of large cats sailing around the world, but that doesn’t change the reason why I would far rather be in a monohull. There are a lot of people around the world who skydive, but that doesn’t make skydiving safe.1. A monohull will right itself if capsized by a huge wave, a cat will not, 2. A cat is subject to far more stresses due to having 2 hulls connected, with a time gap between the hulls hitting a swell when travelling broadside to the swell the monohull doesn’t, 3. When cresting a wave during a storm the wide underside connecting the hulls could be caught by the wind (acting as a sail) and capsize the boat, 4. When running with the strong wind behind a cat could turn turtle (which has happened to me in a Hobie 18 a number of times) however worse thing that would happen in a monohull is that it would broach…..Need I go on? Sailing a small cat is a lot of fun, but when it comes to being in a larger vessel 1000miles from any land, give me a monohull any day - more exciting, much safer. Bon Voyage.

@sadenuttie2234

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeaShanty2016 hmm, a large part of what you said has truth to it, but I disagree. First off, skydiving is actually very safe First off, a multihull is extremely hard to flip in the first place, unless you were out in hurricane force winds and 25+ foot waves you would have no chance of capsizing a well maintained multihull. If you were put in the situation with a monohull and flipped, you would be dead nonetheless. I have never seen or heard of a multihull flipping, it is just such a rare occurrence. I have never heard of wind catching the underside of the cat, especially since they are almost perfectly flat all the time. Also, it is not fair to compare how a sports 18 foot monohull reacts to wind compared to a 40+ foot multihull. Either way, both are pretty safe, but I would rather be in a multihull, more stable, no bow stuffings, just cutting through the waves. To be honest I don’t like your original sailor. The gatekeeping in the word “real sailor” stops innovation and people wanting to get into sailing. For example, I am a retiree, I cannot deal with a very rocky boat, which is why I would much rather have a stable multihull, along with double the room in the same length.

I like how the caption says So stable why would anyone sail a monohull Well that’s because a monohull is like a fine woman with a body that is looked after, a catamaran is like a fat bird. Nobody wants to be seen riding a fat bird.

some people need to understand cats are better. many countries like Australia and Africa would rather have a cat due to better sea keep and stability. a cat can take rougher seas and storms better with less motion and cats don't usually sink they stay afloat trawler nope. people who criticism have never owned or been on one cause they will end up with a cat.