Good compromise tbh. Players who know how to kbd aren’t affected but players who don’t know can use something that’s inferior but much easier to pull off. Excellent game design and perfect to set up that feeling of “damn I wanna learn that” for intermediate players looking to level up.

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

100%

@euomu

8 ай бұрын

you just repeated what he said 😂pls

@internetmemeplace6886

8 ай бұрын

@@PhiDX players who can backdash are affected because all of the work they put in to gain movement advantage is diminished as with electrics and running moves.

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

@@internetmemeplace6886 all I do is KBD trust I'm suffering too LOL

@internetmemeplace6886

8 ай бұрын

@@PhiDX this change is because "it would look weird in rollback" . They literally remove Tekken DNA, f them for this .. and yeah I feel you

Im more suprised by them taking out the universal tackle and mounts than anything else.

@TheTrueNarthumpulous

8 ай бұрын

That's what I'm saying. I think they got rid of it because they're basically useless in the higher levels of the tournament scene, where players can parry or break them like nothing. I was definitely hoping they were gonna refine and further complexify the ground and wall splat mechanics. Tekken always comes to life when the characters are mixing it up against the wall.

@XIVDock

8 ай бұрын

That’s interesting. May give the characters that had them specifically in their movelists a little more unique. Of course, it also means doing arm at reversals is probably no longer a thing or will be rare

@Mr440c

8 ай бұрын

A very legacy mechanic which is very hard to counter if you're not a pro. To much homework for new coming players tbh. So far Tekken 8 feels very fresh. They kinda cut out the redundant stuff out while adding new. It is a very good decision as some players already pointed out how for example convoluted SF6 is because of a huge stack of different mechanics which overwhelmes a players mind. I wish they'd also remove rage arts as they create that exact feeling of piling up together with Heat as you have to now consider both Heat smash and Rage Art in the same round unlike in T7 where it is one or the other.

@taylorbee4010

8 ай бұрын

The original anti backdash

@YTSaintKevin

8 ай бұрын

Wait what !? Nooooooooo

Tekken players are really going to have their world rocked by this new "move your character with the control stick" technique

@bennymountain1

8 ай бұрын

You mean I don't have to input this Konami code that is harder than most special moves in the game just to move my dude backwards? NANI!?

@rdowg

7 ай бұрын

Im so fucking pumped to be able to dodge finally 😂

@killerbug05

7 ай бұрын

What are you yapping about rn😂

@jestyo0o

7 ай бұрын

It feels a bit sad that such a legacy mechanic that's been present since tekken 1 is useless now, and it's not really that hard

@killerbug05

7 ай бұрын

@@jestyo0o this exactly! Everyone here acting like the KBD is a secret technique only learnable by monks who seclude themself away from society to practice it...I spent 3 days about 5 hours total trying to learn it and by the 5th hour I had a somewhat clean KBD on dualshock joystick as well which I'm told is the hardest input method. I don't particularly care either way if it's necessary or completely useless, I'll adapt either way but the discourse around this change has been downright baffling

Holding the last B in order to have more distance covered by the backdsh will reduce the risk of a wrist injury as well. Quality of life change there

As a spectator i've always hated it because it looks so stupid. Tekken 8 might be the first one I play beyond the initial release month.

as someone who isnt very good at tekken and got into this beta, i felt the change sooooo quick. and honestly, i really like it! tekken 8 as a whole feels so fluid and just moving around feels so much better imo. also being able to do while running inputs a bit easier is honestly something i really really like

@internetmemeplace6886

8 ай бұрын

You being trash and rewarded for it is the downfall of this game . Go play.strive

@Jetanium

8 ай бұрын

OG's ain't gon like this comment 😂

@yo_its_amber

8 ай бұрын

@@Jetanium honestly yea i figured but for a newer player it feels much more accessible and easy to move around in. when playing tekken 7 i felt characters that could just press on me i could do nothing about because i couldn't disengage fast enough. it made playing in lower ranks against quick characters really frustrating.

@bennymountain1

8 ай бұрын

Cool! Back when I started with TTT2, learning to KBD was the biggest edge I ever got in low ranks (where I belong). Back then even just holding back didn't give you the T7 back walk. Like, I spent two evenings learning this parlor trick and suddenly was bodying everyone. Which felt unfair, tbh. No amount of labbing will help you if your opponent can run circles around you. I liked the removal of the old back roll too. That shit was straight up trap.

@leandrooliveira3070

7 ай бұрын

​@@bennymountain1that old back roll was insanely bullshit, the fact that you had to press up then block just for getting up without tech catch is insane

Honestly the change to startup speed for KBD made so much sense with the idea of it also being for making rollback less teleporty

So it went from zoom zoom tool and micro-spacing to just heavier micro-spacing, I don't think I mind it since this is exactly how I use it anyways.

I feel like without the KBD, spacing in T8 won’t be as much of a factor as it was in previous games. It looks like wavedashing & regular forward movements have been untouched. That on top of better sidestepping & the heat mechanics, definitely forces us to play more aggressive, neutralizing the spacing/defense game a bit.

@kocomaru4867

6 ай бұрын

It’s still there, it’s just that people can use the great value version now, so spacing is better for all skill levels.

Hey man I'm pretty sure we fought online yesterday(or it was someone with a similar name), it was super fun! Great video!

I don't have the beta access. Does KBD still has the block advantage over normal BD ?

Dude please go to the mode where the game allows you to practice sample combos. You can practice freely without searching for a match.

@escmousedownclickmousedown7851

8 ай бұрын

Where is this?

@LBS851

8 ай бұрын

You can't yet. Full Practice Mode isn't available. You can only practice or try combos while watching for a ranked match

@TheCosmicUprise

8 ай бұрын

​@@LBS851Go to combo practice and don't do the combo right?

@andrewmarchitto8461

8 ай бұрын

@LBS851 If you pause the game while searching, and go to combo challenges, you can just practice freely without searching for a match.

@andrewmarchitto8461

8 ай бұрын

@@escmousedownclickmousedown7851 I don't remember exactly how to get to it, but if you pause the game while searching, you can go to a combo challenge mode and practice without searching for a match

what kind of fightstick are you using?

my wrist is thankful for this.

I didn't get access to the first beta CNT so only based on the current beta, I noticed it too compared to 7. I play on a standard dualsense controller and KBD on the dpad hurts my thumb so naturally it gets slower as I play in T7 and get wrecked. I can seemingly do either or in 8, KBD or just mash backwards. I like it, it seems having a good KBD may still be more rewarding which is fine with me as I happen to try doing it out of habit for doing it so long at this point. 10 years in fact.

slight nerf to back dash and buff to sidestep seems OK to me for now. We’ll see though.

@Wizard_Lizard_

8 ай бұрын

Back dashing literally got buffed. Did you not watch the video?

@alphaamigo9688

8 ай бұрын

​@@Wizard_Lizard_they probably meant in terms of distance, not speed.

@jtm94

8 ай бұрын

@@Wizard_Lizard_ Korean Backdash is substantially worse, only normal backdash is better, but overall this is a big movement nerf to the game.

@nabedesu7708

8 ай бұрын

​@@alphaamigo9688tbh the backdash distance arent that bad with the nerf. More or less seems like no nerf at all if u can just literally spam back lol

@sky-oq5mr

6 ай бұрын

​@@nabedesu7708you've never played Tekken at a high level and it shows

This is a great commentary note on game design.

i look forward to the release, i tried with tekken 7 but i guess "i was just to late", so i hope for a fresh start with 8 soon

Man I’m loving the beta so far. I’m a Jin and Kazuya main, I’ve actually won quite a few matches uses those 2. It’s funny because I get my ass kicked with any other character. Not bad for my first time playing 8. So much better than 7, but I don’t know why they took away Jin’s Kazama style 5 hit combo from 7.

@Warsheep2k6

8 ай бұрын

Easy parry and it was in since 5 btw

@kingcombo9799

8 ай бұрын

​@@Warsheep2k6 since 4.

@random_guitar_dude3817

8 ай бұрын

You can get it still just starts with ws input. Its still there

@kingcombo9799

8 ай бұрын

@random_guitar_dude3817 yeah. It's 6 hits while rising now.

@shirakani

8 ай бұрын

Kazama style 6hit WS now, so do it from a wavedash.

What do you mean I'll be able to backdash fast without getting clipped by random mid launchers while I crouch to cancel the backdash? :O

New outro goes crazy ! 😂

why they dont want my left hand to feel like a vibrator when im playing , its a mystery to me

im struggling with how to dash forward without doing a full run

"We are not doing normals things on this channel" felt like home 😢❤

Idiots in comment section that will play this game for 1 month then quit: I love this I hate having to learn how to do X movement shouldn’t be hard in any game!! Yes people should be able to move easier but they shouldn’t ever remove KBD. Meanwhile Soul Calibur(essentially simplified tekken) was dead on arrival. They already made a game for people that want everything to be mindnumbingly simplified but looks like nobody wants to play it. Backdash is not the reason why you will quit tekken. The reason why you will quit is because you are going to go up against cheese characters with cheesy strings, you will get mixed up and you will be helpless. Will you try to learn how to counter this? Nope you will just get frustrated. Given the fact that you cannot learn how to do a simple down, up input(kbd notation is overly complicated to someone that can’t read it just know when you actually know how to do it it’s literally 2 simple motions) I highly doubt you are going to learn how to deal with the actually insane stuff in this game. Dumb argument number 2: It’s a glitch!!! It SHOULDN’T EVEN BE IN THE GAME!!! Not to mention that this isn’t ever something that somebody that actually plays these games would ever say but let’s just apply this type of thinking universally. “Dude dunking shouldn’t even be in basketball it’s literally a glitch!!! Dude dribbling shouldn’t be in basketball it’s another glitch!!” High skill players will always find exploits and techniques to further increase the skill gap between themselves and newcomers it’s called emergent gameplay and it’s up to the community to decide what is or isn’t desired. If you don’t like the rules of the NBA you can go play elsewhere if you don’t like the rules of tekken well there are hundreds of other games you can play. The community has decided that they enjoy the Korean Backdash and it’s not going anywhere. The worst thing that can happen to this game is if Namco decided to listen to a bunch of people that don’t even play the game and orient themselves towards valuing the opinion of people that don’t even participate or support them. Imagine if the NFL started listening to non football players/fans and allowed their opinions to influence rule based decision making(oops bad example) I mean well what if the politicians in america decided to overestimate the opinions of outsider non citizens or rich clout chasers at the behest of actual ordinary american citizens(oops another bad example) see where I’m going here?

Thanks for the info Phi

Sht I was wondering why my back KBD wasn’t working gotta get use to it 😢

In Tekken 8 movement is overall stronger sibce moves don't track as much and hurt as far for most of the cast. Even with the backwards movement being nerfed i still can use my movement more freely in 8 even against matchups im unfamiliar with. You gotta actually know what your doing on offense to shut down someones movement, which just wasn't the case in 8.

Hey man how are you feeling, is your arm better? I also have been feeling pain from tendinitis in my left hand but it must be because of working out and the weather is getting colder, its the price of getting old i guess 😂. I love your videos analysing things, i hope you make some kind of tutorials for T8, that would be nice. Thank you for this one i appreciate it.

Wait low parry got changed? Where do i see these changes/learn how to do them didnt see in the beta and the battle tutorial was just ok. Wonder if teching throws is different (i wouldn't know if they did change bc im trash at them to begin with XD)

@VerGiLL1

8 ай бұрын

Low parry now instantly "screw" the character, reducing the low parry combo dmg that we had on T7 by a lot.

I don’t even play Tekken but this was a great video lol made me want to play some Tekken

Being honest, my korean backdash was kinda sloppy. I could do like 2-3 backdashes, maybe 4, then i lose the speed. Going to tekken 8, i felt like my backdashes werent going far enough to justify the effort compared to just spamming back. I dont feel the need to be the top player, i just wanna play some games with my friends, and all of them arent very good at kbd. To me, this was perfect, as it brought us all to the same ground, since we can now play together without me holding back completely or them getting bodied by movement. Ive been asking for easier backdashes in tekken and finally they gave it to us. Im very happy.

@tasheemthedream4199

6 ай бұрын

i feel like with this, you can now at least compete in the higher ranks without knowing kbd. so now new players like myself, can focus more on the regular gameplay itself to get good at. and once we have a strong understanding of the normal gameplay, then we can worry about the glitch movement at the end of the road and not the beginning.

fam got me kbd still here

This change makes me want to use arcade stick more than a d-pad

I agree with the points you made. Just the fact that it is new player friendly is awesome. Many times I have tried to get people playing Tekken and that was thier main complaint as if the felt they were in mud when back dashing when they were used to quick Backdashes from 2D fighters. Then when I show them you have to KBD and they go like yeah, Im out.

its good to use regular backdashes along kbd so this is fantastic.

Will, Lydia and Fahkumram make it to tekken 8

A Plus content. Love to see this. You got a sub from me.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it simply bb d, bb d but now you can buffer it like ss? Because if it is it is a very good change for options to counter spamers cuz it means you are also faster starting backwalk . If someone mindlessly spam one like df1 can just buffer sidestep on block and punish. For creating distance tu punish pedictible patterns from your opponent it is harder to do in 7 cuz if you do slow kb then cancel it into bb you I pretty much freezed for moment if you dont do d and hold b and you can accidently get qcb. But now in the same situation you can be wanted for your read because you will most likely create enough distance to whiff punish oponent.

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

Bb~d still gives sidestep

@tyber124

8 ай бұрын

@@PhiDX I know but i mean in stressful moments you got more back mobility.

This really is a tekken 8 CBT

2 things i noticed as well. 1. With this new change in place, it'll make it easier for newer players to make a lot of distance. However, escaping from range 0 to 2 will probably still require a backdash cancel. 2. Characters with sways are completely unaffected by this change. Backsway cancels are by far the quickest way to make distance

didnt know normal backdash got buffed but i do know it felt good using kbd

very positive change imo, reduces gatekeeping

@sky-oq5mr

6 ай бұрын

So you want bums to keep up with the best. Let's see how long a game like that last lmfao

@alexlobitz219

6 ай бұрын

@@sky-oq5mr well you'll be a bum forever so you should be happy about this

@sky-oq5mr

6 ай бұрын

@@alexlobitz219 sounds like you are projecting bud. Id introduce you to my KZread but who cares, you won't be even a memory after this message lol again stop letting scrubs like this guy add to this game!!

@JusticeAngel

4 ай бұрын

Ong ​@@sky-oq5mr

fuck yes, I am so thankful that they finally implement this. It's just so impractical and complex

great vid

some of the players feels like teleporting when moving away hahahaha. its pretty weird

this will help scrubs like me who don't have the hand dexterity to even do KBD. Thats why i play Tekken. Because i can't do street fighter combos to supers (fireball into super fireball, which are basically 3 quarter circles in extremely fast succession)

@MrShinTensei

8 ай бұрын

Yea kbd is hard. I can do it but I'm not gonna lie I'm pretty sure it wore out my dpad fast. This is a great change

@Pacemaker_fgc

8 ай бұрын

You can use the first quarter circle as part of your super input. Instead of 236P 236 236P you can do 236P 236P and it still counts. Blew my mind when I first found out.

Awesome video and very glad Tekken 8 is moving back dashing into this line of light. I've been playing the series since Tekken 3 so I'm not new, but the criticality of KBD in Tekken 7 limits players ability to rise up - and I say this mainly because on PS4/5, there's no way my wrist or my thumbs can tactically do KBDs regardless of the practice time. And like you displayed, the regular back dash in T7 is atrocious to the point where higher level play is next to impossible without KBD. The change helps new players or players like me with thumbs that can't go fingerbanging the dpad

@hurricane7727

8 ай бұрын

Tag 2 and Tekken 6 had better Movement than Tekken 7

@jaykelley103

7 ай бұрын

Players that can kbd are still gonna have a significant advantage. Especially when it comes to whiff punishing the opponent spamming a characters moves that get heat to activate, which is guaranteed to be what the meta is. Get a stick or a lever less and learn it bro

@CountChokcula

6 ай бұрын

@@jaykelley103 KBD was an unintentional by product and now it's mostly removed in tekken 8. It was obviously beyond developers intent. Now he doesn't have to learn it, something that was goofy as hell to begin with. "Buy a better controller and learn it🤓" annoyance

@slvrshore5300

5 ай бұрын

@@jaykelley103 cry

I’m glad I watched this video. I can’t play Tekken without KBD. The way I see it KBD is the equivalent of canceling in Street Fighter which became a staple in the series from a unforeseen bug. Being able to move with fluidity is a big deal in this game.

@nicr1159

8 ай бұрын

It’s also one of the reasons that low level tekken is so utterly crap. Nobody wants to have to spend hours practicing a basic movement technique that some people find they can’t do anyway

@afrosayian

6 ай бұрын

For me it took 8 weeks to master it

@slvrshore5300

5 ай бұрын

one day KBD will be removed, the game will be better and you will be happy

harda has gaslit the tekken community into thinking its harder to do rollback in 3d

@qweqweqwadcsc

8 ай бұрын

^

@pepegapogu1790

8 ай бұрын

This, it's sad...

@HypnoSwag

8 ай бұрын

Harada is lazy. Plain and simple.

@requiem9167

8 ай бұрын

I think the only thing they makes rollback harder to make is detail in the animation.

Movement isn’t too bad to me, just played this morning. Kbds don’t feel the same but it stills feel hella responsive. I like the wider side steps (goes well with my playstyle) I’ve noticed CD feels easier to do. I’m on PC(4K 3080), but it has its moments when it feels off in matches, not a deal breaker

@forsak3n749

8 ай бұрын

Maybe you just have a bad kbd.

@isaacgree

8 ай бұрын

@@forsak3n749 lmao how? Never said I had problems

@isaacgree

8 ай бұрын

@@forsak3n749 what rank are you

@forsak3n749

8 ай бұрын

@@isaacgree Tekken god.

@isaacgree

8 ай бұрын

@@forsak3n749 I’m a mighty ruler . Look me up Vervongolagreen. I play Miguel, I can kbd lol

I was actually thinking "wow it's actually hard to learn korean back dash because regular backdash is really fast"

My directional 4 is gonna get really fuucked.

Why is this so hard on PS5 pad ?? I was able to do it on PS4 and PS3 pad.......

Movement is the best part of any Fighting game. When I was at the peak of my smash days, it felt like i was on cloud 9 when I had captian falcon moving exactly where I wanted him to go. I haven't gotten there with Tekken yet, but once I get used to this new one, I might feel like

im happy! i played all the Tekken from Tekken 2 but never took it seriously. Tekken 8 is the first one ill take a first dig into it. When i heard about ther KBD from Tekken 7 it didnt feel fun to do. Im happy they corrected it

Got into the beta Wooo! Scary post there, people will not be happy if KBD is really dead.

This video was the first time it occured to me that giving Tekken good rollback will probably require more effort than most games. If we need to lose some minor stuff here and there for better online, I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff.

@i3ssb00st5

8 ай бұрын

Aint a tradeoff, its a sacrifice for the better good for onlone experience lol

@ridleyroid9060

8 ай бұрын

If we can get a good online I do think it's a good trade-off, but this and the previous network test do not have me convinced. I still get 4 bars from eastern europe to the UK and Spain, It still feels like shit to play people outside of like a country over at most.

@krazanas

8 ай бұрын

That's not the only issue. Rollback essentially simulates all available options from your character's current state. 2D games have it significantly easier to simulate all states since both players move on a single axis. Tekken being 3D requires the rollback to take into account each character's current positioning and the direction they are facing

@cryosen

8 ай бұрын

@@krazanas That isn't how rollback works, it just holds the last input you received from your opponent and corrects their position when you receive their new inputs. It's not simulating every possible thing they could do.

@kiweeltyler3586

8 ай бұрын

Yeah maybe for online but not offline

I think buffing the back dash even more is for the better because then you do not need to learn KBD at all, and the game becomes accessible to its full potential.

@TheExile08

5 ай бұрын

yea how about auto combos? what next auto win?

" I really like enjoy the part of the game where I bait them with my movement and hit them when they whiff " The fighting game beginner's discovery of "footsies." Beautiful

Teleport?! I’ve never seen my opponent teleport

@shafir2

8 ай бұрын

It happened to me

@kiweeltyler3586

8 ай бұрын

@@shafir2 maybe only on PC? I’ve been playing on console PS4/PS5 since release and have never come across a teleporting opponent due to rollback or lag or whatever it’s called. But I’m definitely it has happened to a lot of people.

@shafir2

8 ай бұрын

ye im on pc, it has more issues@@kiweeltyler3586

Bruh i thought i was the only noticing that da freak did they do 😅

i like this guy. he should have more subs

i guess they made perform easier most of moves , let me give an example , , back - forward punch or kick moves , i cant perfom these moves on tekken 7 , tried tekken8 closed beta , it was super easy

I'm hoping cross play feels good when t8 comes out. Im on ps5 and it felt like PC opponents had lag. It's concerning to hear that PC responds better than platform hopefully this doesn't make cross play unplayable. As far as the movement, I think nerfing kbd and buffing regular backdash could change things at high level gameplay. It will be interesting to see if players like Arslan are stronger on infinite stages in t8

Good thumbnail!

We already had fucking sidestep and it works as it should again. Nothing but fair if it will be better on the netcode.

Speedkicks is fuming right now

Try ninas backwards snake step that shit us hilariously fast you cant run after her with kings f3+4 xD

Just gonna spin around randomly as Yoshimitsu anyways

@inpy

5 ай бұрын

LMAO

I got the beta code and didn't play a single second. I got turned off by the game. It feels like shit

Pardon my ignorance but how do you get to training mode for this beta? All i could see were online pvp matches. Thanks.

@mathewbrigman5592

8 ай бұрын

They’re in the online waiting menu and just declining all the fights

@Rhyds86

8 ай бұрын

@@mathewbrigman5592 Thanks a lot. Shame you have to do such a backwards thing just to train offline. Thanks! :)

@Nostromo_TK

8 ай бұрын

​@@Rhyds86It's a network test. The goal is to get people into matches, not practice.

@Rhyds86

8 ай бұрын

@@Nostromo_TK I'm aware but I've no inclination to fight people blind. I'm fairly new to Tekken so would need some practise before fighting online is all.

It took me 20 years to get as good as I got..I swear if they take the kdash out...well they did it before and it didn't go well..

Gonna basically be my first Tekken would love help gonna play Kazuya

@travis31wolf

8 ай бұрын

Where are you coming from?

@mydrillasanjay5397

8 ай бұрын

dont start on a mishima haha

@bqing87

8 ай бұрын

You must master the art of the DOOR-E-YAHHHH

@feeharn5531

8 ай бұрын

​@@mydrillasanjay5397I think it's fine to start with a Mishima. I'm pretty sure there's plenty of players who started by learning ewgf before backdash or maybe even general frames. That's how I started off and it was fun because it was just something I wanted to learn just because.

@G-R-IE-IE-D

8 ай бұрын

It’s going to be tough on that character just know that

Big buff for back sway mains too But We'll see, it still just a beta and the devs are trying some things for this game

I was never intimidated by kbd or wavedashing anyway so it doesn't matter to me.

Yes

I always feel like KBD has been the albatross around Namco's neck. If I recall correctly players complained about the KBD exploit in Tekken Tag leading to its decimation in Tekken 4. But then people realised how shitty Tekken 4 movement was without it. And so it came back. I always wondered if this solution should have been implemented all the way back in 2002 instead - remove KBD and make regular backdashes as useful as KBD. And perhaps KBD would just be a bit of old Tekken trivia. But its been almost 20 years and now KBD is so ingrained into the fabric of high level Tekken they cant ever get rid of it. it seems theyre still struggling to find out how to balance this exploit and try to keep Pro players and casual players happy. Perhaps this is the best solution

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

Movement cancels are fundamental to tekken's engine, it's how wavedashes, sidestep blocks, and literally every non-attack-button action behaves. I think this is one of the best solutions for sure, and it would be cool if movement cancels were truly fluid in addition to having this new feature

@HolySok

8 ай бұрын

@PhiDX just make everyone runs around like in SoulCalibur! No need to KBD when you can run like an Olympic Medalist.

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

@@HolySok being able to run around freely in Tekken feels like being able to carry the ball in basketball

@HolySok

8 ай бұрын

@@PhiDX well that was more of a joke really

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

@@HolySok lol in these comments it is hard to tell 🤣

Movement feels great and I no longer had to think about hand gymnastics anymore.

it is better. it felt very bad for new players to KNOW about it and having a very big disadvantage when not learning it right at the beginning. always felt bad for those people.

@avenged-khaos

5 ай бұрын

this 100 percent this i for the life of me could never get kbd to work consistently and i have tried for hours

Wish i got a code 🥴

Another interesting topic you could cover is the generic d4 change.

@reirei_tk

8 ай бұрын

What change is that?

@rabusmar

8 ай бұрын

@@reirei_tkgeneric d4 is -4 on hit and -15 (launch punishable) on block (before it was -2 and -14).

CBT!!!!!??!?!??? 😳😳😳😳😳

I've not really bothered with Tekken since Tekken 4, Ive always tried the newer games and not liked them. Picking up 8 I was expecting not to like it again but I immediately felt the difference in movement and fluidity whilst it's still really challenging in the hardest levels. Now it makes sense why. This one is going to pull a lot of OG fans back in and a lot of new fans

i dont even play this shit i just clicked on it to figure out what tekken 8 has to do with cock and ball torture and found out it means closed beta test

So movement becomes interesting ay,?

I can't help but be just a little disappointed by the new kbd. A long kbd still has the potential to be cut short, making it useful for both "macro" movements and "micro" movements, depending on your technical ability to get the length you want. This is an obvious observation I feel like but I just really enjoy the dynamic. Making it shorter limits its use as macro movement. I think this really hinders its versatility. It also makes forward movement and combos with great carry stronger (and by virtue, wall pressure), which is probably the intended function of this change. I don't like the idea of being trapped with a mid-dispenser character and having a wimpy kbd, it could make for very belligerent neutral, but alas. I'm cautiously optimistic though, I think the wall especially will be really fun and very dangerous

As someone who is a semi casual fighting game player (meaning i play them just not fully dedicated to it as i enjoy other genres too), i own tekken 7 but never wanted to learn it or play online for two reasons first theres no rollback and the matches i did play were a toss up of occasional stutter and unplayable, the second reason is the kbd as my inputs arent clean (i definitely got better over the years) but seeing how vital it was just put me off the game. It seems that this tekken is more approachable plus it has rollback so this time im excited to give some actual time like I've been giving MK1 and like i gave sfv (i like sf6 but for some reason i just find myself wanting to play MK1 more)

Are electrics easier in tekken 8. I swear i can do electics easier in 8 than in 7, but it might just be in my head.

@littlehair5060

5 ай бұрын

They are same you still need to frame perfect the df+2😊

@theelusivememe1772

5 ай бұрын

@littlehair5060 is the perfect electric suppose to be harder or easier. I swear sometimes I can do it easier, other times the regular electric I'm more consistent in.

I appreciate the nerf honestly it helps pad players with all the different controller types and still gives stick players that little speed boost instead of getting rid of it completely

Man I just got a fight stick to learn how to KBD properly and they add this smh im still gonna learn it properly just so I have a edge

@andy-xz2uk

5 ай бұрын

if you want to KBD and wavedash like a maniac get a hitbox

I’ve been a proponent of technical movement techniques like KBD because of how they give new players something concrete to measure their progress by. As a new player, you can’t really tell if your spacing, decision-making in neutral and those sorts of things are improving, but you can sure as hell tell that your movement is way cleaner than it was last week, and that keeps you engaged. Tekken having better backdashes as a base is actually something I’ve wanted for a long time, since it does exactly what you and others have said: it lets new players play that very baseline level of footsies that actually somewhat resembles Tekken while still leaving space for them to work towards the more technical and powerful movement option. I would still prefer Tekken On Ice as far as movement goes, but I think Tekken 8 is making some fairly sensible decisions for what it’s trying to be

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

Love this take. Completely agree

Basically more fun with less if not prevention of carpal tunel. Devs thinking of players health is a W.

Thank god 😮😅

As someone that knows how to Korean back dash with a keyboard, (I hold b and tap forward and down the whole time consecutively) I welcome this change. And I didn’t even play the tekken 8 beta. When I first started to learn Korean back dashing on keyboard, I thought, ”This is what pad and fight stick players are struggling with?” And because of that, I also felt like it shouldn’t be hard for people to do especially for new players. Hell even I don’t kbd that often and I would use normal back dashes good portion of time because even I feel like it can be tedious to do kbd on keyboard.

Honestly so glad they made that change with KBD, I had to play T7 on a keyboard just to be able to do KBD properly, my thumbs are too small to do the inputs on a controller.

Pog

honestly I might try tekken 8 if I have the hardware because of this change, legit the only things that really even put me off tekken in T7 were the fact that I'm used to 2D blocking which is a total inverse of tekken, block low by default to defend lows and mids, and react high for overheads and highs, whereas tekken is block high for highs and mids and eact low, it was just so hard to get used to that, and the other big thing was backdashing felt so clunky, like even the worst backdashes in guilty gear and street fighter didn't feel as bad to me as tekken, and KBD really didn't seem worthwhile to learn, just to be able to do what every other game lets me do as long as I know how to double flick/double tap and now that 1/2 of those problems are gone and the only struggle is gonna be learning the different blocking mechanics, I think I may actually be able to enjoy it and have a good time with tekken....... provided of course they don't bring back Eddy...... Hate that guy and his spinny split kick from hell

IMO back dash cancelling is a quite contrived solution for a problem that should have never existed in the first place. If your game design requires to have a slow backdash, then bdc shouldn't be allowed at all. If your game doesn't require a slow backdash, then the backdash should be easy and fast by default. Making such an execution gate an unspoken requirement for serious gameplay is like forcing a pianist to play the piano with gloves: a huge skill check with no real purpose. I'm glad it is not as prevalent as before. Hope it totally dissapears with the next patch.

@invertbrid

8 ай бұрын

Facts. At least they are bufing normal backdash a lot now. But they prob scared to make it better than KBD as its a "glitch" that they known and kept in basically almost whole tekken franchise lifespan at this point. They are scared to make normal backdash become as good or close as good as KBD.

@topvillainy

8 ай бұрын

Sounds like a skill issue. Just lowering the skill ceiling, there was nothing wrong with KBD

@theflashfan3234

8 ай бұрын

Not really tbh. Fighting games have multiple aspects that can be limited to skill checks such as 1F links for optimal combos. However making basic movement difficult *without any reason* is just kinda dumb. KBD is emergent gameplay, and one that the devs have been aware of and know the prevalence of. They are also aware that they are needlessly difficult to execute and just hurt the gameplay experience as the more stingy the game is to control the less decisions a player can make around the actual fighting system. Reducing that allows the game to increase player retention and instead of making players have to do hand gymnastics, and take that out of the mental stack altogether so that the fighting system is more engaging. You shouldn't have to struggle with your controls. It's the quarter munching arcade game philosophy that sometimes severely holds FGs back from evolving and improving in the modern day.

@gus2n

8 ай бұрын

@@topvillainy maybe we should raise the skill ceiling in other games by making players do some weird input to be able to move anywhere, lets try call of duty first

@PhiDX

8 ай бұрын

A good analogy is dribbling is basketball. I think the existence of a rewarding mechanic for skill expression makes a great game. They've arrived at a great compromise here

Tekken 8 is everything I wanted it to be so far in terms of gameplay. Sure there's some bullshit to deal with but movement being stronger overall just makes figuring out your options all the more enjoyable.

@walmartian422

7 ай бұрын

He said the movement is weaker