His 2002 origin was way cooler. Being a mcbeth style villain.

@xxSandt21xx

3 жыл бұрын

The 2002 series was sooooooo effing good! The best thing about the 2021 series is that it made us appreciate the 2002 series even more

@FrostWolfPack

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxSandt21xx Ja same here

@MrCarlosj0

3 жыл бұрын

There were a lot of cartoons I watched with my kid from KND up until He-man 2002. It's a shame that if he was a little kid again I would not watch anything CN, NICK and Netflix put out today.

@etherspin

3 жыл бұрын

IMHO that's a very played out trope It's all down to the individual on that front but it makes him pedestrian to me to make him just be Adams Uncle. It's like making everyone in Star Wars related to each other , makes the universe seem smaller as Robert Meyer Burnett would say

@barrybend7189

3 жыл бұрын

@@etherspin he's not related to Randor in the 2002. He's just a power hungry mad man.

I liked the backstory from the 200X series, where Skeletor was once Keldor and was wounded trying to kill King Randor. With Evil-Lyn's help, he made a pact with Hordak and became an undead being, skull face and all. Shows how quick he is to throw aside his humanity, his very essence as a being, in exchange for his life and continue his goal of conquering Eternia.

@andrewrichards312

3 жыл бұрын

And the irony is that if this had've been Demo-Man's origin, there would have been no issue here.

@k.m.k.2976

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that but he lost Evil-Lyn's heart, and it was even shown that because of it Evil-Lyn hid their son from him all in all he lost allot and was way more intresting.

@karloavera

3 жыл бұрын

I kept rewatching the part where he cries out "My Face!", interrupting Captain Randor. So very compelling!

@bronykingamethystrain5676

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Hordak cursed Keldor with a madness to kill the latter's step-mother and get him exiled from Eternos, kinda like what Hera did to make Hercules/Heracles kill his wife and kids. Another fine expansion to the 200X Skeletor Story from the comics. Kevin Smith is a hack.

@cesarhernandez6861

2 жыл бұрын

God I loved Hordak. It was my favorite toy for years. I'd kill to get the 200X toy version of Hordak!

He is not unique now, and let's not forget that Evil-Lyn was in love with him in both versions which makes the "no woman would ever have me" justification even weaker.

@wolfkanji

2 жыл бұрын

They did it because kevin wanted skeletor to be an incel, there's literally no other motivation to do it.

@Halfort57

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfkanji the funny thing is, that in a Sword-&-Sorcery world such as He-Man's there would be no shortage of women willing to get laid with him just for the power and wealth. Realistically speaking (as in terms of actually good Fantasy/Sword-vs-Sorcery story telling) Skeletor would have a whole harem of wicked concubines with Evil lyn being the head of it

@wolfkanji

2 жыл бұрын

@@Halfort57 True, but crybaby smith wanted it differently unfortunately.

@Lwbxci

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Skeletor was just making a self-deprecating funny?

@JonLemerond1

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfkanji I think he just wanted to have a way for the dialogue to end with Skeletor saying, "Then let me be a God" so he used the "if no one will have me as a man" intro to get there. It wasn't the best writing, but it was fine.

The dumbest part about that comic is how Skeletor already has his awesome outfit as a slave. Why the hell would he have a costume like that?? They just give slaves awesome armor to help you overthrow them?

@MidnightsEdge

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like it, yeah...

"The toxicity of Skeletor's masculinity melted the flesh from his bones."

@nagillim7915

3 жыл бұрын

Are you trying to make toxic masculinity cool? Because having a skull head is cool. 😅

@jenniferst.george810

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much right

@shonen_x_trash2488

3 жыл бұрын

Tell me thats not an actual line in the comics... cause I would believe it. Not a he-man fan, just here to watch the dumpster fire.

@theherooffire007

3 жыл бұрын

Damn. Beat me to it. 👌

@etherspin

3 жыл бұрын

There is zero in the show that paints masculinity as toxic. Teela is a whiny disaffected Mercenary. Adam is humble and self sacrificial. man at arms is Batman meets military general and kicks ass.

I prefer Skeletor being Keldor the brother of King Randor.

@ValiantWrestling

3 жыл бұрын

Half-Brother.

@stride2788

2 жыл бұрын

i'm guessing they were afraid people would compare it to Loki v Thor for dad's attention. IDGAF though. the keldor plots make the whole thing less ridiculous.

@masterfarr8265

2 жыл бұрын

I like to think of him being a member of the evil horde as keldor after discovering a way to the fright zone and soon after dreaming of more stealing the Havoc staff from Hordak which is why Hordak hates him.

@koopaklipz

2 жыл бұрын

It give a very good plot to the story but making skeletor a hero turn villain is shit with the old story he had a purpose to full fill

@matthewmartin1595

2 жыл бұрын

@@ValiantWrestling Only in 200X and beyond; originally, there was no 'half-' to it. The upcoming CGI version may actually be closer to that.

I prefer the origin that was expanded upon by the 2002 series. Him being the older half-brother of King Randor makes his desire for both the power of Greyskull and the throne of Eternia very personal. It also adds a dynamic to him and He-Man, as they are blood related, but He-Man wouldn't know since Randor kept it quiet. What Kevin did was turn a revenge driven older half-brother hellbent on the destruction of Eternia to a "I WANT MY DEAD WIFE BAAAAAAAAAAACK" manchild who better fits Wokeywood's current politics. Congratulations Kevin Smith: you've become Two-Face.

@RichardTLDR

2 жыл бұрын

I understand the new motivations better than the old. If resurrection was possible then so many people would do anything to make it happen.

@tylerleach8796

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh, don't remind me of the retcon of Skeletor being Randor's hald-brother. I hated that.

@makutas-v261

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, Skeletor making to He-Man the dramatic reveal that he is his uncle. "No He-Man, I am your uncle."

@bronykingamethystrain5676

6 ай бұрын

And we can't forget Count Marzo and Hordak's involvement with Keldor's exile.

"This reads like a Robot Chicken skit." No, I think a Robot Chicken parody would have been much better and hilarious to boot. "You know what you need Skeletor? A good skull f*%king!"

@GGallade

3 жыл бұрын

Funny you mentioned it... They did something very similar to the 2002 origin story... Just king Randor was the father instead of being his Half brother. Got a link to the video incase you want a good laugh. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpmAtNShXdGcZpc.html

@RoryMitchell00

3 жыл бұрын

@@GGallade Yep, that one is hilarious too, just like all the Robot Chicken parodies of He-Man. Skeletor alone is pure comedic gold with his distinct voice and over-the-top villainry.

@stride2788

2 жыл бұрын

cue evil-lyn walking in with an eyepatch. then beastman too... "where triclops?"

@MrJerichoPumpkin

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, given the shitshow Kevin Sh*t has given us, I think I'll consider canon the Robot Chicken sketches, at least they are funny. What about He-man's evil clone? That one was glorious. Or the first murder on Eternia?

My Skeletor has been slammin' Evil Lyn's ass for the last 40 years. Whether she likes it or not. He is the bad guy, after all.

@mrcoules

3 жыл бұрын

This! I award your comment of the week! 🏆

@Artlife0831

3 жыл бұрын

Giving her that bone for real

@Ricardo-cl3vs

3 жыл бұрын

That's the spirit!

@sstupidsstuff3453

3 жыл бұрын

The real havoc staff

@phatmantv

3 жыл бұрын

So what did Evil-lyn say when she saw Skeletor for the first time? I'm so getting boned!

Skeletor as the older half brother of King Randor is my canon. It makes more sense on why he is trying to take over the kingdom and needs the power of Castle Grey skull.

@nagillim7915

3 жыл бұрын

I favour this origin too. Though i think after his association with Hordak and transformation into Skeletor his sanity was left a bit fragile and his goals became much more grandiose than just regaining a kingdom.

@dr.coffinnails

3 жыл бұрын

@@nagillim7915 Yes and yes

@ardendragoon

3 жыл бұрын

@@nagillim7915 we saw in 2002 that he doesn't want Hordak on Eternia.

@andrewrichards312

3 жыл бұрын

All they had to do here for this to be no problem, was swap out Skeletor with Demo-Man. These "creatives" are morons.

@nagillim7915

3 жыл бұрын

@@ardendragoon - well Hordak is unwanted competition for the power of Grayskull. And in the 2002 series far more powerful than Skeletor. I could.imagine a situation where Hordak was released and Skeletor laid low until the masters defeated him, using Hordak as a distraction to capture Grayskull while everyone was busy with the bigger immediate threat.

"Don't underestimate Kevin Smith ablility to fuck things up." Some former president

@atomicdancer

3 жыл бұрын

'If you have a problem with Netflix ruining He-Man, then you ain't Kevin Smith.' - some current president

@erbelisle

2 жыл бұрын

@@atomicdancer 'Come on man!'

@jayg473

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 it's true!

This new origin just reeks of the whole "even the bad guys are ok guys, they're just tragic and need to be understood." Sometimes, evil is just evil. And sometimes it's ok to portray a bad guy as just an evil bad guy. Needless to say, 200X origins, much better.

@alismith3801

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. But the "evil is good" BS is very woke

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds to me more like Doctor Doom’s origin. He is also a benevolent despot who wanted bring back a loved one. His motivation for fighting the FF was the machine he built to save his mother in college backfired and scarred him and while he was warned by Reed Richards his roommate at the time, his ego led him to think Richards sabotaged him as he can’t accept Reed is smarter than him

No I agree, the old Keldor origin story is much better. Makes it far more personal and more like a fantasy story with Skeletor as Adams evil corrupted uncle really.

@andrewrichards312

3 жыл бұрын

And yet both would have been compatible if this story swapped out Skeletor for Demo-Man. That's how utterly asinine this story is from start to finish.

@etherspin

3 жыл бұрын

But it makes the key players all fairly immediate family members and makes Eternia feel like a small town rather than a world ?

@thewolfofwallstreet627

2 жыл бұрын

@@etherspin Not necessarily. If anything it makes the rivalry between He-Man and Skeletor all the more personal, which makes it easier for audiences to connect with the characters. Besides, the new origin doesn't make any sense. First of all even if Skeletor once being a family man with a skeletor woman and had a skeletor baby was canon, the only problem is why hasn't anyone ever bothered to figure out Skeletor's reason wanting to take over castle grayskull? I'm fairly sure if the Sorceress knew he was trying to bring his wife back, then she would oblige without him having to go through all of this nonsense.

@angrymokyuu1951

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewolfofwallstreet627 Clearly he only had a skelewife and a skeledaughter because of heteronormative pressure and his 'desire' to bring skelewife back is purely social obligation. But, in his first attempt to take the power to fulfill that obligation, he met his true love: He-Man. But, believing that Eternia would be no more accepting of their love than his own, Skeletor refuses to burden He-Man with this truth, meaning the closest he can ever get to him is on the field of battle.

I prefer the bastard son of a concubine who wants to rule or see it all crumble under his feet. I love the OG cartoon for the funny insults and gags.

I'm currently watching the 2002 series, and come to realize, that that one is much better than revelations. Might be the best version of He-Man.

@StergiosMekras

2 жыл бұрын

The sword is trash, but everything else is on point.

I prefer the Keldor origin story with him being Adam’s evil uncle and Randor’s older brother.

Kevin Smith actually succeeded in making a He-Man show that is worse than the New Adventures. Thats an impressive feat.

@cyruskarloff7219

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@MidnightsEdge

3 жыл бұрын

Actually ... yes.

@chheinrich8486

3 жыл бұрын

The dceu at first Was also worst than super friends

@jorge23483

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. What a dubious honor.

@Aeric98

3 жыл бұрын

You are not wrong.

Anyone surprised at this point? Cause I’m not. Of course, let’s ruin the main villain like we ruined the main hero.

@aussiewanderer6304

3 жыл бұрын

Kevin: "maybe it'll distract them from how bad I ruined the hero".

@haroldb1856

3 жыл бұрын

Or ... let's ruin the male villain like we ruined the male hero.

@beauwalker9820

2 жыл бұрын

They ruined Teela too. Turned her from a strong, yet kind, warrior woman, into a Karen-haircut, selfish, constantly complaining, mercenary. Is that their idea of a "strong progressive" female hero?

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

The basic idea of Skeletor’s origin that he was a benevolent despot isn’t a bad one. What I would change is having his race wiped out save for him by the Rams and he wants to bring them back.

So Skeltor is the hero tricked by the evil Hordak, no doubt Skelegod will resurect his wife, smite the evil Teela and live happily ever after. Subversive masterpiece!

@ramonperez5605

3 жыл бұрын

Oh that it is a end , I would like to see.

@christianpalmer225

3 жыл бұрын

If only.

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

Skeletor isn’t really a hero he is just a well intentioned extremist.

Skelator only has one origin.....that of keldor rightful heir-to-the-throne 🔥💀🔥 ALL HAIL SKELATOR !

Skeletor had a skeletor wife and a skeletor kid? Sounds like a very bad 80's comedy show skit.

@kirgan1000

3 жыл бұрын

So they write then they use cocaine?

@allmycircuits8850

3 жыл бұрын

Somehow "cats" musical came to mind when Andre described new origin: Skeletor songs for Skeletor kids, Skeletors come to a Skeletor ball :)

@thatHARVguy

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, that's pretty much the MODOK show.

@kealebogamolo6685

2 жыл бұрын

Flashgitz?

Yeah, I’ll stick with the Keldor version.

@rayneoftera

3 жыл бұрын

Read my mind like a book!

@Junior.illinois

3 жыл бұрын

me too , I hate them when they swap race king grayskull that was lazy and dumb is so hard to them to create new characters...

@StergiosMekras

2 жыл бұрын

...we all will.

The Keldor story is so much better.

Masters of the Universe fans: "Well, at least it's over now, and it can't get any worse." Kevin Smith: "Hold my sugar free Soy Latte..."

@Halfort57

2 жыл бұрын

"...Because Evil lyn will be the main character of part 2! Yay!"

His origin in that previous He-man reboot in 2000 is a supirior origin story for Skeletor in my opinion

Not going to mention that Skeletor should be trying to raise his dead wife now, assuming that this is the actual reason he acquired the power of GreySkull?

@syckles

3 жыл бұрын

Im sure we're never going to mention anything that happened in the prequel comics, and hopefully anything related to Revelation ever again.

@TheOldOwl8

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention...did he never consider just explaining to He Man, hey I am trying to revive my dead wife and save my daughter, can you help me?

@Nediablo

2 жыл бұрын

Good point!

Fanfiction is of no consequence no matter how much money and backing it gets.

They missed a perfect Monkey Paw moment: When his daughter is brought back to life... Her head is replaced with that... of a *normal human* .

RIP Keldor

Was Smith bullied by He Man fans at school?

Skeletor has a Skeletor wife and a skeletor baby daughter? That IS like something out of Robot Chicken! The Keldor story is great. I'll have to watch the 2002 series sometime, as it's approaching its 20th anniversary.

None of this is going to matter once Universal regains the rights. Maybe...... just maybe, Universal will see what Kevin Smith and Netflix did as an example of what NOT to do.

I love the original story about keldor. this new version is dumb beyond words. I guess that's just par for the course at this point.

I prefer the origin of Skeletor turning out to be Randor's half brother Keldor & made a deal with Hordak that gave him his new identity. If there's going to be a prequel mini series, then just have a story how Randor & Keldor changed over time from being brothers to enemies. As well as a prequel of how Queen Marlena was originally an astronaut from Earth that crash landed on Eternia & eventually fell in love with Prince Randor.

"And when she bent over SKELETOR TOOK OVER... and gave her a bone of his own!"

@porcelainthunder2213

3 жыл бұрын

OH!

@beauwalker9820

2 жыл бұрын

Cue Andrew Dice Clay style, "OH!"

@JeromeCloutier

2 жыл бұрын

@@beauwalker9820 "Little Boy Blue. He needed the money. OH!"

It looks like Netflix/Kevin Smith went the the Star Wars Story Group school of lore and continuity.

Modern Writing 101: 1. Create Black/White dichotomy. 2. Inject unnecessary Gray into that dichotomy. 3. End up with a muddled mess.

@kyleshockley1573

3 жыл бұрын

I think the "grey, muddled mess" has been in literature since the 1930's and probably before. It just didn't pick up enough steam until the 1970's in film, and became the standard in most storytelling after David Fincher's grimdark became the visual template for entertainment needing to be depressing and cynical 90% of the time, both in theme and images. Whether this is just a bunch of clueless execs riding another "make it like *that*" trend so as to churn out stories quicker, or an intentional drive by the media to make the general population feel as muddled and gray as the new cultural narrative, who knows.

@mariokarter13

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyleshockley1573 The problem comes when you establish a light/dark, good/evil dichotomy, then you try inject "nuance" that destroys the character dynamics. If the good guys are jerks, and the bad guys are jerks, but the bad guys are significantly cooler when they're being jerks, you've kinda ruined the moral of your story.

Kevin really has destroyed his own early legacy of cinema. Sad

@truthspeaks01

3 жыл бұрын

facts. had to remove mallrats from my top 10...

@GavinRamonShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@truthspeaks01 who would have thought. Clerks for me man. How can he throw away all that work. Damn shame dude

@syckles

3 жыл бұрын

Same.. Its weird how Im really starting to hate things from this man I used to enjoy.

@GavinRamonShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@syckles same as many of us mate. To think this dude was the voice of fans. He really was. Clerks movies were magic films and it’s just a shame On the flip. I really do get why he has gone this way. He had the heart attack and I think it’s made him say “f it” and he is just doing anything that will secure his kids and family future. I do get that but I still believe he didn’t need to sell his soul to do it.

@dongster529

3 жыл бұрын

@@GavinRamonShow I think you are overreading it, man was already set for life before his heart attack. Occam's razor would be that he got greedy when a huge offer came that wanted his reputation for fat stacks and he did the exchange. From the way he dumped everything and went back to clerks after, he seemed to know it was a dirty greedy deal. Traded Cred for Cash.

So why wouldnt skeletor go after hordak to save his daughter? He goes after he man all the time despite being out matched. And skeletor kneel (no way). This is garbage. Dont buy this crap

@bryanwoods3373

3 жыл бұрын

"I need the source of magic to resurrect my dead wife, and I will not once consider just asking for help. Instead, I will face He-Man directly in battle and never mention my altruistic goals when He-Man asks why I don't give up on taking over Eternia."

@1986Hikaru

2 жыл бұрын

He kinda forgot he had a wife and kid...

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

I would buy it if his race was wiped out completely and he wanted to bring them back.

In audio plays that came to German speaking countries before the filmation cartoon, Skeletor was created by a race of giants, who dumped all their bad and negative essence a long time ago on Eternia. These race of giants left Eternia before humans lived there. But the negative essence they left on Eternia gave birth to Skeletor. Some of these MCs with these audio plays where even packaged with the MotU figures in Austria, Switzerland and Germany.

"I am become Kevin Smith, destroyer of He-Man." --- the updated Bhagavad Gita, probably

I’ll be honest I never liked the “multiple choice” aspect even for Joker. The origin story isn’t that bad (I don’t like the idea that everyone has a skull head) , I mean that story does give Skelator all the motivation and stuff to make him compelling except you’re right it does contradict that part of the story.

@Asin24

3 жыл бұрын

I mean the joker one makes sense. He is just insane. It makes no sense for skeletor.

@bryanwoods3373

3 жыл бұрын

The thing with thos origin for Skeletor is that it means a hero became so disillusioned and twisted that he decided to take over a planet to save his dead wife instead of just asking for help. And this never comes up in any motive rant while fighting He-Man.

@willie_the_monkey_king

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asin24 disagree. While it’d be one thing if Joker had a secret identity, it doesn’t (and this has been the prevailing argument for Joker having basically no identity) make him scarier, enigmatic, or interesting it makes him less relatable therefore less scary. Using this for Skelator is even dumber.

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

@@willie_the_monkey_king The Joker isn’t meant to be relatable. Part of the horror behind him is we don’t know anything about his past aside from the fact he was once a normal dude at sometime before he came Clown Prince of Crime. It is like Micheal Meyers from Halloween. What made him scary in the first movie was he had no motivation for murdering his sister or at least not one that we can comprehend. He is just evil and may not even be human.

@willie_the_monkey_king

2 жыл бұрын

@@emberfist8347 actually Meyers is a perfect example of my point. He has a name, a family, those definable things which we sort go, “yeah you’re a person” what makes him scary is how that’s all he has left of his humanity, and that you could easily be like that. Joker doesn’t really have that. You can argue he has a backstory but the dumbest thing about Killing Joke is he says that it could be fake. What’s scary is realizing how you can easily be that monster.

Kevin Smith ripping off the killing joke.... why am I not surprised. Dude is such a hack.

Masters of the Universe: Revelation killed off He-Man in the first episode, and pissed fans off in the process. And that was just the start! It looks like, both in show and out, that Kevin Smith is doing everything he can to finish what Noelle Stevenson started and DESTROY the Masters of the Universe franchise in pursuit of attracting woke lunatics who care about pushing agendas rather than quality! And this is no hyperbole, by the way. Every time I think it can't get worse, _it gets worse!_

@Junior.illinois

3 жыл бұрын

wise words , when they race swap king grayskull, I knew the downfall of motu universe just already started , and is amazing to see how many kevin smith lunatic minions attacking old fans from the 80 and 2002 series

@tylerleach8796

2 жыл бұрын

"Finish what Noelle Stevenson started and DESTROY the Masters of the Universe franchise in pursuit of attracting woke lunatics who care about pushing agendas rather than quality." 1: You've never watched the She-ra reboot, have you? 2: Dude, MOTU Revalations is bad, but ain't bad cause of supposed "wokeness" or "agendas," (none of which I have yet to actually SEE in the show), it's bad because it's a badly written show.

@NebLleb

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerleach8796 1. She-Ra glorified an abusive relationship and passed it off as representation. That made me blacklist it. 2. I don't know, but taking a beloved property and twisting/subverting into something much worse definitely sounds woke to me!

@tylerleach8796

2 жыл бұрын

@@NebLleb 1: no it didn't. 2: I think you need to learn what "woke" means. Because what you just said wasn't "being woke" it was just bad writing.

@NebLleb

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerleach8796 Yeah, you're a woke lunatic.

Just ignore Smith, and this whole spin off. We'll continue as if it never happened, and it's obviously not canon.

@davidfarmer2047

2 жыл бұрын

It can go the same place as the "timeless child" just another bad idea by a so called fan of a fandom.

I think Kevin Smith is an idiot. I also like the idea you gave of having He-Man be just some random barbarian leaving his tribe for a life of adventure, like in his origin, no Prince Adam required.

@Gangstor

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, I've always had a fondness for that original Glut minicomic. Particularly the relationship between the "savage" He-Man and The Green Goddess. Part of me wished that remained as the definitive version of the continuity.

@DaviRBify

2 жыл бұрын

That was a concept , never Canon.

So basically his new origin is "The Bold And The Skeletal". ugh....

Certainly the "Classics" continuity went overboard mashing up the 80s and 2002 continuities. That is, reusing the name Keldor in 2002 was a nice homage to the minicomic and nothing more - I will never retcon the cartoon to consider blue Keldor to be Randor's brother. But making Skeletor a mashup of Spartacus and Anakin from the skull people of space-Afghanistan is quite simply bizarre. Hordak ripping off Emperor Palpatine is lame.

@Ether101_Prime

3 жыл бұрын

They stated it in the commentary that Keldor was his brother.

"This is bad comedy!" - Galvatron from The Transformers: The Movie on Skeletor's "new" origin story.

"I have altered the lore. Pray I don't alter it any further. " This reboot is getting worse all the time.

Can we just consider this Revelations version of Skeletor's backstory to be a straight up lie he's feeding to Evil-Lyn for shits and giggles? It would make more sense than the story being true.

@erictroup5094

2 жыл бұрын

That’s how it’d presented in the prequel comic. The whole thing is a lie. I honestly don’t see why everyone here seems so up-in-arms about this. It’s stated quite clearly at the end that he’s made the whole thing up. So the Keldor origin is never actually contradicted. I figure he made up the stuff he told Audra as well.

This is what happens when your tie-in comic doesn't line up with the show its supposed to supplement. The comic presents Skeletor as a tragic, if a bit cliche, character who would give his life for his family but ends up being manipulated through his emotions and fucks things up for everyone. While betraying his people out of the delusion of seeing his family again is shitty that is not 'incel' behavior or even 'toxic masculinity' or whatever shit they want to throw around. He has a reason and a goal but like I mentioned he was tricked long the way. If handled by people who cared this could have been tied with the series and maybe present the Ran as a threat to both sides, forcing an allegiance between Skeletor and He-Man in the show. But no, incel Skeletor because men am bad. Fuck this shit.

Wait so Skeletor has a neck in Revelations? How is that metal? Mike Young Skeletor has no neck and is incredibly metal. Thus Revelations is not metal, and Kevin Smith is a poser that cries at a drop of a hat. Also, Keldor forever!

@Rocket1377

3 жыл бұрын

The Mike Young cartoon got that wrong, he does not have a floating skull. Skeletor is supposed to have a neck. His vintage and new adventures action figures make it clear that only his face is skeletal. He still has flesh and hair on the rest of his head.

@countofarcadia

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rocket1377 That wasn't my point. The lack of a neck just looks cooler and to borrow a phrase, "metal." Also, the original figure had the hood cover up the neck, so it is unclear if the figure was suppose to have a neck or not. The Filmation version of Skeletor again seems to be neckless with just a floating skull inside the nebulous hood which is probably where they got the idea to show the floating skull in Mike Young. However, I will agree on New Adventures and the Live Action movie Skeletor having necks. That's pretty obvious, and it would be impossible on most budgets to depicting Skeletor as having a floating skull in live action. My ultimate point is that Keven Smith doesn't know what it means to be 'metal.' Plus, Keldor forever.

Does this lack of continuity/consistency really surprise anyone? It is just the lot of them pissing on He-Man's cooling grave. Doubtless, He-Man is so depressed by his 'renovation' that he cannot even manage to spin in his own grave.

I’m actually starting to think the Mandela Effect is real, and there’s some kind of sentient, invisible gateway slowly sucking everyone who used to be entertaining into an alternate dimension, and replacing them with these idiots who keep ruining everything.

I'm glad that you covered this, because it affirms my decision not to buy the Dark Horse mini-series. At this point, I personally don't give a s**t what happens from any media from MOTU: Revelation. Part of me wonders what Kevin Smith would do, if Netflix decided not to release MOTU: Revelation part 2. (Side note: Netflix has this horrible practice that they don't pay, until the entire contracted episodes have been released by Netflix. In this case, I think that MOTU: Revelation parts 1 and 2 are considered one contracted series. I want MOTU: Revelation part 2 released, so that Powerhouse Animation gets paid.) For me, I like the Skeletor origin story that Spector Creative did during his time has line owner of Mattel's He-Man Classics line. In this origin, Astronaut Marlena Glenn--who later becomes Queen Marlena--flies through an experimental and unstable space rift. This space rift brings Keldor, and his entire race, to pre-Eternia. Keldor's race, at the time, was a very advanced, scientific peoples that was the opposite of pre-Eternia's barbaric inhabitants. There's a big battle between the barbarians and Keldor's people to where Keldor's race is nearly wiped out. Skeletor's hatred and desire to conquer Eternia comes from what happened to his people. In this origin, I think, it's hinted that Trap Jaw also came from Keldor's race.

Dammit, this series just gets worse and worse

@Junior.illinois

3 жыл бұрын

lets not forget Andra become the new sheman that's why they race swap king grayskull …Mattel best downfall on his only good property they got left

Skeletor was suppose to have a child with evil Lyn

@Rocket1377

3 жыл бұрын

That was dumb too. "Skeleteen"? No thanks.

sorry to say, the "doing it to resurrect dead family" is becoming a rather tired trope. the illegitimate child fighting for their birthright is older but it's tried and true, it never gets old

@biphronte

3 жыл бұрын

And the planned plot for MOTU 200X got Skelletor fighting Hordak and defeating him at the end

Skeletor boned Mrs. Skeletor, and they had a Skelebaby? 🤣

Total half brother of King.. that's my canon..

Is there any actual evidence that Smith wrote any of it? Seeing as he already professed in the past that he doesn't like He-Man, I keep wondering if he was just hired as promotional figurehead, and has never been involved in any of the writing.

@Doomwolf82002

3 жыл бұрын

If that's the case than it's highly likely that person who ghost wrote it likely had no idea that Skeletor already had a backstory.

@saintjackula9615

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doomwolf82002 Whether it is ego getting in the way, or just arrogance and/or ignorance, I believe most writers that "ghost" are young, inexperienced, and likely do not do the research for low-paid ghost-writing work. I hate to say it, but the ghost writer is an idiot, and the producers are idiots for not requiring the writers to use an established character/story "bible."

@vladpiranha

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doomwolf82002 It's all a very plausible explanation.

The 2002 Origin was the best Masters of the Universe continuity and the real Skeletor origin for me

Uh Smith ruined more than just the Bad Guy. He ruined a legacy that was beloved by an entire generation.

Toxic Kevin Smith's confusing mixed conflicting origins is not health. I prefer the non-KS.

Again. 2002 did it far better.

@Junior.illinois

3 жыл бұрын

100% agree

6:35 "A Robot Chicken skit." 😂 Idk why, but that made me laugh so hard, hahaha.

Andrei' s accent + the word "Frankenstein" = perfection

9:06 SO WEIRD when the cover art for the comic actually made Teela & Evil Lyn look like their proper woman designs LMAO

Miro in the 200x series was never King of Eternia, the Elder's ruled Eternia before making Randor King in their place during Keldor's assault on the hall of wisdom in the first episode, Miro was Captain of the Eternian guard. Other than that your information is correct.

"It's the Mr. Skullhead show, starring him, Mr. Skullhead..." Anyone else hear that song (from Tiny Toon Adventures and later Animaniacs) in their head when the skull-faced family / planet were shown? Also, Skeletor was recognized because he didn't conceal his identity? Everyone on his planet has IDENTICAL SKULL FACES!

Skeletor once being a family man kinda explains his actions in the He-Man She-Ra Christmas special, lol. But I do prefer the 2002 origin story as the end all.

@Junior.illinois

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@TheTrueFeleas

2 жыл бұрын

Love? Caring?! Nyaaaaaah I don't feel so good.....

Kevin Smith's take could work as one of Skeletor's mad delusions. Skeletor isn't the bad guy: the throne of eternia is rightfully his, he's just misunderstood, he was tricked, he meant well, he deserves power All sounds pretty similar to leftist justifications. Especially compared to He-Man's self-actualizing mantra "I have the power" The whole Kevin Smith run can be dismissed as a dream sequence occurring before Skeletor heads out to get his boney a$$ kicked again.

I can't wait for Kevin Smith to reintroduce mo-lar into the continuity.

For me, the most iconic moment of the 200X series was Skeletor being confronted with both Randor and He-Man, and having the option of either retreating or fighting them both at once. Out of pure spite, he attacked, and gave as good as he got! That is the epitome of a guy called 'Skeletor.' Ergo, the 200X series Skeletor is cannon over anything else.

Kevin Smith's "Masters of the Universe" is so creatively bankrupt that the IRS is looking for him. 😆

Hold up, you telling me in the original canon Skeletor is basically Adam's half-uncle?

@MidnightsEdge

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@conradojavier7547

3 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightsEdge Smith: No He's Some Random Outsider who wanted his Family Back.

Why does Skeeletor need a sad backstory? Why he can be some asshat (even related to Adam) that wants power? Power is perfectly good motivation. Greed. Lust for power. Those can be more than great. Make perfect sense in real life, too. Plenty of people who would sell their neighbour for a piece of gold. What makes characters like that great is their presence.

@DeathsjesterKMNP

3 жыл бұрын

Because you cant have villians just be villians anymore, they always have to be victims of society/those in power so they can tie it back to current day real world political narratives.

@conradojavier7547

3 жыл бұрын

Like a Power Hungry Bastard Son who can't be King, cuz of a Low Ranking Mother.

The older half brother storyline is the best one.

While I have not read the prequel comic yet, if anything this new origin further illustrates the multiverse theory of motu that each version is a different earth, er Eternia. Trying to combine all of the stories together or have them all somehow connect In order to create a toy line with the most number of possible characters to release is only something a mad man would do.

I always liked Andre's contribution to Midnight's Edge.....recently I find myself in an odd kinship with our shared disgust for the new MOTU and the renewed appreciation we both feel for the original

How can they be demons if they’re from a planet? Skeletor has a daughter, couldn’t even give him a son?🤨

With Mark Hamil voicing the character, all I hear is The Joker when he speaks. 🤔😳

I love all the heat that an 11 min toy commercial from the 80’s is building

This is the biggest joke I have ever seen.

@fatherpucci8170

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine live in planet that all people have skull face

200x was my jam. Thats my childhood xoxo I like the idea of skeletor being a fallen hero, but that plot sounds like something skeletor came up with to suit his ego if he were real lol.

I interpreted Skeletor's 'I can't get a woman with this face' as a sarcastic joke (something that Joker would also do and did). So I don't think that that's a serious motivation for him. I'm not a big fan of the new series either (2002 was way better), but we have to be carefull to not take everything to serious. Together with this comic, it seems they are litterally coping the Joker who also told multiple origin stories of himself in The Dark Knight. And since Mark Hamil plays skeletor and also the joker... I think that's the main reason for these BS origin stories. I could also be wrong off course. We'll just have to wait and see.

I really like the way you end your videos with the emphasis on us the viewers, and asking us what WE think. It makes us feel like we are part of a discussion with you rather than just viewer.

@MidnightsEdge

2 жыл бұрын

Of course - you are part of this, we are nothing without you guys watching our videos and engaging with us and each other.

Can we just stick with the Keldor story? Please?!

I thinking the planet of Skeletors, makes me think of a old children's book, funny Bones and the line "In a dark, dark, town, in a dark, dark street, in a dark, dark house!" While I'm not majorly familar with Skeletor's origins in the comics but I can certainly see how badly messed up Revelation is, the real revelation is, that its a frickin mess, bad written and full of plot holes, I hope Kevin Smith's career comes to a grining halt after this movie he working on, such a talentless person, should not be working in Hollywood, full stop!

From the new information of the original and what's happening it could be set that how insane skeletor is remembering his life wrong almost every time but only right twice as the brocken cloak tells / in the skeletor origins comic he left in a portal after attacking his brother who knows where he was or doing on it besides hordak creating skeletor

Great video, the passion and reverence you have for He-Man makes me consider going back and watching the old content.

It says in the comic itself, that Skeletor was lying to Evil-Lyn about his origin. He was just telling tall tales and she was easily about to see through his tall tale. The comic is more about Evil-Lyn and how much she stays with Skeletor no matter how much he lies to her.

Sure it was supposed to be 25% different, or they could only use a 25% of its likeness? Because this is mostly trash rewriting of a delusional fan fiction now.

I'm surprised at this point that Smith hasn't rewritten Skeletor to be a creative who once had a planet of geeks he ruled, but those geeks rose up against him and now Kevin Skeletor is left weeping over what was and takes many selfies decrying what was.

Awesome vid! I love the info and comparisons and learning things I never would have known if not for our Andres vast knowledge on the subject

@MidnightsEdge

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

This Skeletor story is almost a rip off from Mortal Kombat Scorpion's origin story.

@jasonsantos3037

3 жыл бұрын

It does feel like that it came from scorpions origin story collaborate Kevin Smith you son of a bitch

But the goat people would have killed him.. this doesnt make anysense... being halfbrother is the perfect story why would ever want to change that ...

"A society of benign skeleton demons"... I did that as a joke in the very first comic I ever created.

Is Kevin Smith SERIOUS!?!?!?! Even I was expecting all the lore! It’s SO easy to remember it all as a fan and to work it in the show! And he says WE’RE the ones who aren’t the real fans? I bet the only He-Man he watched was the Robot Chicken one with that gross baby Skeletor fantasy, he loved that creepy episode so much he’s trying to bring it back again at 6:19 lol XD