Ken at one of his most brilliant moments imo.

It's like you've been looking through the lens of a camera for such an extent that you believe you are the camera..

@QED_

4 жыл бұрын

@Sid: Yes, good. Or: been watching a movie so long . . . you can tell the difference between the movie and the screen.

I'm a huge Ken Wilber fan, you can quantify his growth every time he speaks. He is amazing. His principles along with Psycho Cybernetics have helped me immensely with life and with trading.

wilber changing your whole life in 9 minutes and 35 seconds

@TheTruthKiwi

4 ай бұрын

Really? Sounds like bs to me.

This is truly amazing, thank you for who ever posted this

One of the most concise explanations of our fundamental 'Self's ever captured on video. Reminds me of brother Watts. Thanks Ken!

Now i know why some mysterious force sent me here to sit in my car & miraculously find Ken's videos. God works in mysterious ways...THANK GOD! ❤

@TheTruthKiwi

4 ай бұрын

Nah, it's the KZread algorithm mate. No magical entities from other dimensions needed or shown to be involved whatsoever. 😊

Thank you so much for uploading this

Kenny gives a great talk without once looking at the notes between his legs. Great stuff. if there's such a thing as reincarnation then I think Kenny must have been a big band conductor with all those flashy hand and arm waving movements. Or someone who unravelled the wool for a knitter.

Wow so simple! Phew, relief! Thanks! :)

I'm normally not such a Ken Wilber fan, but here he explains things really really well. This Pure Self - I call it the Pure Potential - is not the last step, however. It's what you manifest with it, even if it's just a play (Leela), that counts...

@Magik1369

Жыл бұрын

I agree. The Self consists of 3 aspects. The ego, the Soul, and the Spirit. The ego, pre-awakening, beliefs it is the entire Self but it is mistaken. It is a projection of the Soul or Psychic Being, which is the True Self. This is the personal Self that is evolving and reincarnating. Of course the personal self has qualities, attributes, and characteristics. That is why we are here...to develop ourselves. Then there is the Spirit, which is actually the higher vehicle or body of the Soul. The Spirit is Universal and not personal. When one integrates one'e Soul with Spirit..one achieves wholeness or enlightenment. The Buddhist way is self rejection and is dangerous.

@twanmartin5773

Жыл бұрын

@@Magik1369 Damn dude, very well said! any recommendations for what you've practiced and studied to further your growth on this topic?

@ColtraneTaylor

Жыл бұрын

@@Magik1369 Agreed on the Buddhist way, but then your way would also be a rejection of nirvana, right?

As nearly always and thoroughly Wilber describes the issue with clarity. Sometimes he pulverizes an issue with absolute clarity and in describing the situation with so much precision he actually makes it more difficult to comprehend particularly for newbies. this is not a so much a criticism as a reminder to not send the uninitiated.

Great clip on Not this, Not that.

the journey from the island of 'me' to the land of 'I AM'

@jacintowilliamson5597

6 жыл бұрын

zero poleski i love that.....

I AM .... Sitting here, listening to you.

i've heard this subject/object thing a lot, but didn't really know exactly what it meant until viewing this. thanks :)

@beliefpatrol

9 жыл бұрын

4:07 " it's a case a colossal mistaken identity and as Patanjali said, "ignorance is the identification of the seer with the instruments of seeing'..."

Soooooo helpful!

This is beyond…amazing!

Contrary to Wilber, I tend to believe that the "I am-ness" is itself an illusion, or at least not quite what we naively think it is. I also question whether it is particularly valuable to pay attention to in our finite lives.

@sergesteijn

4 жыл бұрын

I am not sure agree, but thank you for contributing this opposing view

@ColtraneTaylor

Жыл бұрын

13 year old comment, wish they had expanded.

nice explanation Ken!Ty

@SelfAware1 - UNLEARN DUALITY! That's it! I knew there was a concise way of saying it, and you nailed it!

@axelsprangare2579

2 жыл бұрын

Are you still here m8?

The subject of the meaning in all objects is awareness, the self same in everything is pure consciousness..... One without a second, of this whole body and mind is bliss..... The Upanishads.....

Quite a philosopher!

well said my friend... i think peolple tend to forget that its all about balance.... being 100% spiritual is just as bad as being 100% egoic....

There is the "I" or the Psychic Being, which is the person, the Soul evolving and reincarnating. This is the personal aspect of Self. Then there is the Spirit or Universal aspect (often called Self) which consists of Universal qualities..light, bliss, joy, love etc. To omit one or the other is to make the grave error of Self rejection. Am I a consultant? Yes. "I" developed these qualities and skills, I worked hard, I went to school, I use my intelligence, knowledge, and experience to do my work. I am very real and my work is meant to be. Am I my arm? or my leg? No...but they are parts of my body, which is the vehicle my Self is currently using to incarnate in this temporal reality. Just because consciousness can identify its own characteristics does not mean these characteristics do not exist. The characteristics exist inside the Soul and are part of the Soul. There is no freedom or liberation in being a non person. One must embrace one's humanity and all that one is and has done. Otherwise, one Self rejects.

If it cant be identified as a thing then it must be nothing. So, maybe there is no "absolute subjectivity" at all in the sense Ken speaks of, but rather the absolute subjectivity is the very objectification of things, for that is the only place where somethingness can be identified to exist. The first person perspective then would be infinitely reducible but never escapable from what it identifies with. To believe there is something without identification underlying all identifiable objects is to believe in a noumenal reality underlying a phenomenal reality. Rather than to believe in a self that is infinitely hard to find by removal of an infinite array of objects, and rather to believe in a noumenal reality that somehow transforms into phenomenal reality by way of crossing the noumenal-phenomenal gap, it is easier to dismiss the notion of noumenon and the "pure subject" altogether. It requires faith to believe in such things since there is no other way to surpass the infinite reduction. The use of faith is unscientific. Reality would be better understood as a mind with a first person perspective of things, identifiable as all things but to different degrees of relevancy, where the most relevant things are regarded as belonging to "self" and the less relevant things are regarded as "other". This is a relativistic solipsistic schema, nonetheless. The spectrum can still exist but with no ultimate transcendence. There is no absolute objective reality, everything is subjective and transcendence is relative.

I've had 2 selves all along. The little , troubled one is usually here while the big, happy one only occasionally appears to save the little me when in trouble but doesn't stay here for very long. I want to know how to remain as the big happy me & eliminate or reduce the little, troubled me. Ken's pointer is PRECIOUS for me- big or little!

Much of this cannot be known. Nothing is left.

Beautiful way to reach God realization 😍✨

It is the detachment of the external world which is felt as a separation or loss that causes one to feel suffering not the objects. One thinks one has to have something, someone etc. One becomes dependent on externals.

i agree!!!!

6:03 for the win!

exactley!! there is no Better state, there is not higher plateau u must reach, you just gotta unlearn duality and what your left with is everything. and that is you. words dont do it justice. but good insight.

thats what about biblical "not my will, your will" loosing the ego will from wrong self identification, god is spirit, everything else is objects, not worshipping them is commanded/said. christianity practiced as the bible really teaches it, is the hardest but also most effective way to "enlightenment", it rips you fully off from everything the wrong "I" wants

too true

He refers to the "pure self" as an "it". Which is an example of how our use of language objectifies our Iamness.

Seeing yourself/ourself ultimately is akin to experiencing nothing. It's a contradiction.

@badger500 nice one!...... I amness ..... More like I aimless?

That it was unlocked the door for me. I've learned much since and still have a lot to learn. I have seen and felt the oneness of god, and all beings. I witness karma laws, synchronicity, and I have visions now. I've learned we have created this world of material objects covering up the spiritual world that I have been to and back from. I'm here. It's there. Our false identifications covers it up. But why would we do this to ourselves? comfort? That side is all bliss! I still don't get life :(

The self and the I resonates more as a subject when the I's cross over, that attract knowing of many other I's. I think :o)

AHA!

Any idea whether this whole talk is available on a DVD or something?

Does any1 know 4 more videos of him? From some seminar or something like that...?

There's no such thing as illumination as a finality to all things. To recognize your-self being, is the first step.

I experienced this for over 2 weeks after saying mantra i love you to my gf over and over and i didn't identify with form was fearless etc. but now the things he says are just words I cant get to that state lol

its 2020. Nothing has changed. I am

At least as good as Tony Parsons & radical nonduality, Eckhart Tolle, Advaita, Ramana, Gangaji, Mooji, Sadona Method, L.U. & many others. Thanx Ken..❤

Chase IT and you pass it by, Wait for IT and it never shows. What is IT?

How do you know that that which is aware is the object itself? I find it a lot more plausible.

I am not the I I am something inside the I which perceives the world around its body and mind through its body and senses and mind But I am NOT the I

Thanks for posting, bobflea. What does he mean when he says 'god'? Are you familiar with the concept behind it?

Can the subject be equated with the noumenon?

@QED_

4 жыл бұрын

@Reese Archer: I don't think so -- they're two different systems of thought. "Noumenon" and "phenomenon" are both considered to be a kind of object . . . in which the latter is the limit of what can be known about the former. "Noumenon" is considered the unknown (and unknowable) ultimate reality of which known "phenomenon" is a subset. But here in this video . . . Subject is neither an object . . . nor the known . . . nor the unknown. It is, instead, the Knower of whatever is known . . . If you're maybe asking about the conceivable relationship between the two systems: the Subject described here could be considered to be a Knower that (can) transcend the (illusionary) limits of the Phenomenal and have access to additional knowledge of the Noumenal . . .

@TheRaNetwork

4 жыл бұрын

@@QED_ the noumenon is the thing in itself, without the phenomenal descriptors. If you could strip away the illusory phenomena, you will have direct access to the noumenon. But you would be one with everything and yet have no phenomenal knowledge of it. Could this be the state of "self" transcendental meditation aims to achieve? Is it the noumenon that is the knower? Or, is transcendence forever to be trapped in an infinite reduction of phenomenon, never to access the full noumenon? Or, is the self even beyond the noumenon?

around 8:30 where is says "that is not symbolic it is literal, you had a face before your parents were born"....that is where he goes off the deep end, diving into nonsense.

This may sound silly to one who hasn't practiced witnessing/meditation ..just watching the breath as long as it takes.. maybe days, weeks, years... or maybe now... the mind drops away.. and one is just floating in a vast feeling of emptiness... without a body to identify with... but this sense of " I " am just awareness.. Aware of what? The entire view of perception.. the entire universe...if I am space.. I am All objects arising in this space... which is what allows everything to be free as is

Only in the unconscious can one be completely without an object unless one is dead. Death only symbolizes the detachment of the subject from object, When one is dead one is a zombie without consciousness. We can never get rid of the subject therefore enlightenment is not under one's control, like epiphany, so meditation won't necessarily get one there. The opposite of nothingness is the infinite which can only be perceived through a subject. i

you are truth/ god/ reality itself. expirenceing seperate idendities/selfs

"...and that is you awareness," which (he strategically leaves out) is an emergent property of neurobiology, and dies with your brain.

@01234cinco

5 жыл бұрын

Julian Walker why are you so sure?

@kennythelenny6819

2 ай бұрын

​@@01234cincoWe stop being aware when we die.

subject becomes object... Simondon may say : energy flows, then it takes a form (shape)...

I Love this Man...but I Prefer to Say... I am a Subject and a Object...!!!

"Ignorance is the identification of the seer with the instruments of seeing." Is it not possible that this statement is directed as much at mysticism as it is at scientism?

Namaste

Ken keeps putting his hand up like he's shiva, it's like subliminal messaging only not so subliminal.

And u have it right more than most, which is the funny part. And lord, stop saying arising and all the orher non dual crowd pablum. This shit doesn't need a certain language. Just blatant truth.

I took a large dose of LSD. At one point my heart was beating so fast and hard and I was so scared. Thought it was going to explode and I would die. The room left..I experienced all of us as spiraling energy, all connected. Then I was in nothing but white. I was feeling what I was seeing. I knew I was dead. I wasn't scared. It actually felt soooo good I didn't wont to go back at that point. Then I was back. Only way I could explain is simply love. God pouring love into me. But.. wasn't my time?

for the most part this is all very clear BUT,..there seems to be an almighty jump/assumption made on the feeling of I amness' 10minutes ago, 10 years ago,...[and heres the jump] 100years ago, and before your parents were born.? how is the assumption of I amness before parents were born take place? is it because you have heard all the pundits say it before? I have no proof of that

@QED_

4 жыл бұрын

@dan: It's combining (and playing with . . .) two different experiences of "before" -- one that is sequential/causal and one that is phenomenological. It goes something like the following. When and where do time and space arise for you (?) Doesn't any experience of time and space (including thinking about them) depend on YOU experiencing it (?) If so . . . then YOU have to be there for the experience to arise. YOU are the pre-condition necessary for any time and space to arise. And therefore YOU are there BEFORE the time and space in which your parents were born . . .

subject meaning thoughts and emotions awakening the self.that is the simple step of geing enlightetend right.But you can not awake the self with wish but only thro surendering in to the momement becouse the self itself does not have an active role but it is observant. so you have to slowly and gently in meditation surrender in to the momement then you becouse observer that is the first step.i am way ahead have cleaned my third eye realy good in the past month. there is no limit to spiritual path

@Gabe360flip Life its about all of the fragmented pieces of the goldy consciousness (individual beings, me and you), live in a harmonic and integral way. But that is just to create and enviroment of peace, were the real goul its to achieve as much bigger area of the godly consciousness as possible. Being as close as possible to the absolute truth, to the mind of god.

6:45 "..and this pure self is uniformly held to be nothing other than god ; god is pure subject in you; god it the witness in you .. the original face that you had before your parents are born... there is something in you, right now, that existed prior to your parent's births and it is that sense of I-AM-ness" "Uniformly held"? Then I am out of uniform. While consciousness is an inadequately understood AMAZING gift … as Sam Harris points out... it can clearly be diminished by assaults to parts of the brain and there is not reason to suppose it magically transcends the total destruction of the brain (and gut/spine) … It seems as sane to argue that because a light bulb beams with light that it therefore "always existed" (admittedly in sub atomic particles scattered across space)… "sort of", yeah, but not in way that is telling about its current constitution.

6. Egoism is the identification of the seer with the instrument of seeing. The seer is really the Self, the pure one, the ever holy, the infinite, the immortal. This is the Self of man. And what are the instruments? The Chitta or mind-stuff, the Buddhi or determinative faculty, the Manas or mind, and the Indriyas or sense-organs. These are the instruments for him to see the external world, and the identification of the Self with the instruments is what is called the ignorance of egoism.

At least thats what i understood by meditation, psychedelic trips, and studies of the modern physics. Tell me what you guys think about it, i really wanna know.

Am-ness is an object

@coolioto - Same here. I take a version of that position atheism, I think....

Vedanta Advaita

Its both... We are the Relative Self and the Absolute Self ! ...but just to identify with one or the other you get all tangled up.... To integrate both by the realization that your Primal Pure Absolute Self is God/Spirit experiencing itself ( the only way it can) throught this human for.... Thank You ~Satchidananda

So he means by object as the ego

@Gabe360flip Our true self its god. But as a ilimited potencial, it is abstract. Imagen all possibilitis, but none of them actually happening. So our ego, its the connection between god and our individual minds. Our existence is serving to focalize this ilimited potencial, and there for, making it real and expirienced. The world of material objects it is was have been atracting a small fragmented piece of the godly consciousness in the birth of a human being, making life possible.

It's better not to identify with anything especially one's transcendental self or god or one will become ego inflated. It is an idea one can still identify with. The small self should not be identified because it has to continually undergo many psychological death and rebirths but it is an archetype that can undergo an unlimited amount of death and rebirths. Identification with the highest level or trans self is not inlightenment which is an ephiphany which comes once in a while.

Jidda Krishnamurti the only one who spoke the truth

Ok.. but what does it matter except provide a 'place of respite' from the worldly self to rest in once in a while.. but what other practical applications does this recognition have? I see none. There will still be the need to 'defend' the worldly self as that is where the necessity arose in the first place... Is there a change in perception that occurs with that recognition? Some new blueprint for action? I can see it making very little difference, I'm afraid

@rachelrrb1111

10 ай бұрын

I think the change is that you are slightly more detached from the material world and take everything a bit more relaxed if you are aware of this. It‘s probably like what is said about Zen: it‘s pretty much like before, but a few centimetres above the ground.

@DavidAKZ

9 ай бұрын

Practising not being attached to sense objects helps :-)

'YOU' are nothing. hopefully, this is the best news anyone will ever hear.

yes 0+1 = 1

it's all nonsense unless you actually experience it

@JAYDUBYAH29

6 жыл бұрын

and then all the constructs based on the experience are nonsense too! ;)

@IamFaisalHearMyRoar

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@solarnaut

5 жыл бұрын

"I see said the blind man." It is possible that that rational could be based on truth... that only people "inside" the bubble can "truly understand" … BUTT it is also the logic of EVERY CULT EVER. 6:45 "..and this pure self is uniformly held to be nothing other than god ; god is pure subject in you; god it the witness in you .. the original face that you had before your parents are born... there is something in you, right now, that existed prior to your parent's births and it is that sense of I-AM-ness" "Uniformly held"? Then I am out of uniform. While consciousness is an inadequately understood AMAZING gift … as Sam Harris points out... it can clearly be diminished by assaults to parts of the brain and there is no reason to suppose it magically transcends the total destruction of the brain (and gut/spine) … It seems as sane to argue that because a light bulb beams with light that it therefore "always existed" (admittedly in sub atomic particles scattered across space)… "sort of", yeah, but not in a way that is telling about its current constitution. "Humanity" in particular has been given this gift and we are, therefore, potentially a part of something on-going toward well-being for a very long time... but to imagine (much as other religious folks do) that the "Important" aspects of being are NOT based here on planet earth and within our very limited human experiences is to invite neglect of our duty which comes with this gift..

is he an idealist then?

you cant make yourself an objective thing to examine, when you do you are not looking at yourself, but a mental image representing yourself. nothing crazy, spiritual, scary, supernatural here. just facts. i dont understand why people are so militantly opposed to people like Ken. Probally because it threatens that very false sense of self.

I think you missed the point a little bit.

drg drysha vivika

what I hate about the gurus that nobody wants to talk about the fact that we are sexual beings and about Darwin?

@hydrocarbon2195

5 жыл бұрын

What do you think is missing?

@neoanderson367

5 жыл бұрын

7 year old comment dude... lol

@sergesteijn

4 жыл бұрын

@@neoanderson367 so what? time is relative right? lol

Later he mentions Jesus Christ or "God". And Jesus teaches. Possibly one of the the many things that he was teaching when he died on the the cross is the fact that the object, the body isn't as important as the eternal mind. -just an idea.

The Self is not God. And clearly this man operates on the mental level, he has not had the experiences which could lead to enlightenment. Also, this is very important. Read this: "A Critique of Ken Wilber" by Morten Tolboll.

hummm. like a microprocessor cannot simulate its slef in 3D graphics?

Were just not that evolved........ We are instruments for displaying universal consciousness.......just not very good ones......as yet?

there is no one doing anything ...

those experiance of waves and sunlight you talk of are truly beautiful, but you split reality into "you" and "not you", subject on object, then you only experiance those things from a reletively narrow perspective. when you toss out the lie that there is a "you" feeling sunlights warmth, then your just left with sunlights warmth, it is all pervading and far more intense and vibrant. it is no longer an experiance seperate from the experiancer. it is one, that is you.

er, waitress ...?

he talks kinda slow

why not get somthing out of what he says instead of praising him? he,s not a rock star...please

You are living in a fantasy land wake up

This is just basic Advaita Vedanta. Neti neti.

This is a repetition of teaching from Yoga tradition - it's the exact teaching with many of the exact words & concepts layed out as the Tattva Bodha - shiningworld dot calm - Home%20Page%20Links/ Tattva%20Bodha .pdf

The problem with Wilber is that his endless and repetitive descriptions of reality are nothing other than more objectifying and objectification. In the end, Wilber is really only talking to himself out loud and has convinced a certain number of people into watching him do just that.

@tylerwatson8067

6 ай бұрын

but isn’t that what we’re all doing?