Everybody should cool it and stop cursing each other out. If there's a mistake, be polite and mention it. They guy is making a good faith and very useful review and he's not the only source of information. No one is going to die over this. Everyone is here to exchange some information and talk about the gun so be pals for G's sake.

Thanks for this review! This video was one of many to help me clinch my decision to purchase the SU-16B this morning. This series come fully featured at a dang good price, and I love the utility of the magazine storage in the stock, as well as the portability options. So, even though you reviewed this two years ago, it's still helping people today! Thanks a bunch!

Thanks. I have an SU 16c and love it, but disassembly was daunting. As a testament to how reliable it is... I have never cleaned it, nor have I ever had a malfunction! Love how light and compact it is. I put a Vortex Spark 2 on it and it's a great shooter.

@craigr1222

5 жыл бұрын

Steve: Yes, this is a great "how to" video on SU16C disassembly/reassembly! I also have the same optic as you. May I ask what mount you used? I installed mine pretty close to the rail, and I didn't have much luck sighting it in yesterday at the range. Maybe I'd be better off using the higher mounting option?? ~ Craig

The most important difference between 223 Remington and 5.56 NATO are the chambers. The length of the throat (or leade) for each chamber is different. More specifically, the leade is located at the mouth of the barrel before the rifling occurs. Comparing the NATO and SAAMI regulations, the leade for 5.56 chambers is nearly twice as long as that of a .223 chamber (.162in to .085in, respectively). If a 5.56 round contacts the barrel rifling too early, it can cause pressure spikes leading to malfunction, and potentially damage in the chamber. This explains why it is safe to fire 223 Remington through a 5.56 NATO chamber, but not recommended to fire 5.56 through a .223 chamber.

Message of the video is right on. The breakdown and re-assemble is shown clear and concise. I've struggled w/ SU16A OEM manual, this is right on target. Thank you.

Very clear video on a sometimes unclear and awkward process - makes me want to check out an SU 16. Great point on the value of buying two guns for the price of one AR !

Hey just got my su-16c and I love it! Great video! Very good tutorial. Really appreciate you taking the time to make it.

Great video made it a lot simpler then I thought it would be

Nice video. I have the CA and was concerned about the dust cover. Your video clearly address all my concerns. I love my gun and will enjoy more now that I have broken it down once. Thanks!

Thanks. I have a SU 16c and really like it . No malfunctions and very lightweight. I have not taken it apart yet but after seeing your video I don't think I will have a problem.

Love.Love.Love "My" KelTec... While hiking with friends, I was the only one who didn't complain about carrying a rifle. It was in my backpack!

A bit of an exercise in frustration after putting a different fore end on, then trying to line everything up :P Thanks for the video, definitely helped me get the bolt back in there.

Excellent video based on the Happy Gilmore reference alone! Strong work.

Thank you so much for this video! I absolutely love my Keltec Su-16C. So much I want the Alpha model and maybe even one of those sick shorty models

Very impressed! I've owned a 16a for many years and have yet to field strip it as fast as you did.Cudos my friend

Are you too good for your home! That's excellent. One of my favorite comedy movies.. Thanks for the video!

Great video! Thanks for doing the work and putting it together.

I watched those same Nutnfancy vids and was a little leary of how it came apart but you made it look pretty simple. Good job and Thanks. I see a SU-16C in my future.

Nice video. I shoot both 5.56 and .223 in mine. I have a SU-16CA which is the A model stock and the C model sights and barrel. I love this gun for the weight and the fact it is so freaking easy to maintain. Remember one thing, KEEP THE BOLT FORWARD and the TAB UP when reassembling. I can now do it in the dark with my eyes closed. Thanks for the good video.

Great, Thanks, the manual sux, just put 300 rnds thru at Frontsight, need to clean it. Great video. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

Good job on the explanation and dissassembly of this unique and cool rifle.

I like this guy. He's very pleasant to listen too.

I have a PLR 16 , It will make you smile . Now I need one of these .

Yes it does; the piston translates to cleaner bolt carrier group after extended shooting with less cleaning. The DI guns are all good and fine and shoot fantastic...when you keep them clean and well lubed! That is why you are seeing more and more AR manufacturers designing their AR-15 platforms with the piston system over the older model DI systems.

Most excellent video!!! Thanks!

Thanks, glad you liked it!

Great vid! Very upbeat and informative. makes it easy to watch :)

Excellent just what I was looking for Thanks for your time.Picked one up in a trade Didnt like it at first then liked it then Hated it However Now I see the light this thing is Kick Azz .Ultra Light,Adgile,and Accurate & Compact:Definitely something special.I do have a Vid just put out on stabilizing the forgrip accessory rail Hac.

Thanks steelcurtain, and yes, all the SU-16's can use any AR type of magazine, including 100 round BETA mags. The SU-16's are essentially identical working mechanisms with the only differences being the stock on the Charlie, and they all have different barrels.

wow nice collection of kel tecs i decided to get the mini bc I am a ruger fan but I love that 16c.

@domitrias Thanks, you are so right; I have been watching the 2012 shot show vids, and I am amazed at the entry level prices that the AR manufacturers are making available.

It's so simple and effective design

Thank you for the review, sir. Very helpful!

@zaitcev Yeah, I'm glad this vid could help, the little trick is to make sure the bolt is held forward after you have the operating handle in and everything ready to slide into place. Then it's smooth as butter. I'll head over and check out your video on it.

Great video dude, one thing just messed me up was to make sure that the spring loaded catch for the bipod must be in the proper position. Or you can get all the way to the end and realize the catch was in the wrong position... Great little rifle, I really like it!

11-years later and I still want one. (The C-model)

@andyvgak

Жыл бұрын

Get E model

Kel Tecs are AWESOME!

Thumbs up for working persnickety into a gun video

I have a 'C' mod, and have a compact 4x28 scope mounted on see through rings. I have just enough room to take it apart without removing my optic. Good vid.

Excellent video ! I bought an SU16-C and a Mini-14 after obama got in. I never cared for the "SPROING" that my brother's AR-15 imparted. One thing I especially like about this weapon is its light weight and small size. I can carry mine in a tennis-racket bag and no-one on the bus knows it's not a Wilson Racket. I can stick it in my back-pack and hop on my Yamaha DT400 and head up to the hills for a day of ridin' n' shootin'. At 4.7 #s I don't even notice it...unless I crash.

Cool, cap'n! And it fits nicely in a mountain pack too (for a full sized .223 rifle, ya know.)

good video you seem like a good guy cheers keep up good work!

Cool, thanks man... while I like the AR platform, I have been looking for a lighter and something that travels more compactly than an AR system. I am actually looking at the Kel-Tec SU-16CA. Again, thanks for your comments.

Great video. I think this is the way to go if looking for a 223 that is still a good value.

Great video. Thanks. I have always been a fan of companies that make different and unique guns, such as Kel Tec and Hi Point. I have the Hi Point 9mm carbine and the JHP 45 pistol and have fired 1000 rounds (almost) through each without any issues. I ran the pistol for 700 rounds before I cleaned it. I'm planning to get the Kel Tec SU 16C soon. I already have a Kel Tec sub 2000 40 cal and it shoots great! I wonder why these guns get such a rap for being bad to mediocre? These are very ingenious designs.

Excellent!!!

Heck yeah. When we first bought the Bravo, I thought only .223 could be shot from it, but I was totally wrong; all the SU-16's can fire both .223 and 5.56 just fine.

great instructions! thanks for sharing.

Good deal. Thank you for this video

kel tec is a great company. i had a pf9 but had to let it go to pay bills. im gonna get another when i can afford it, not that expensive. and they accept s&w magazines. one of the best ccw in my opinion.

It looks like a winner to me! I have been looking for a 5.56 rifle that wont break the bank.

@urbansurvivor101 good gun cleaning question, and a topic that I didn't even touch on in the vid. I'm sure there are some great gun cleaning vids, but I'll tell you generally what I do: use solvent to clean everything up good. Dry everything up good, then I lube everything up, but don't go too liberally with your oil of choice. ...and remember the manual where it mentions NOT to lube up the o-ring on the firing pin pin, or it will degrade quicker. Sometimes a gentle wire brush helps too. FT

Great Video

For the most part, you are right. While the .223 and 5.56 are the same general size, I have learned since the making of this vid that all the SU-16 rifles can fire both since they are chambered for 5.56 rounds. Thanks to so many good folks here on youtube, I now know (what is common knowledge) that a 5.56 rifle can fire both, but a rifle chambered in .223 can only fire .223, due to the higher pressure of the 5.56 round. Just another reason to like these little SU-16's!

I know what you mean, and for that very reason I am now looking at the RFB. I have heard only good things about Kel Tec's 308, and I have never owned a bullpup rifle but always wanted one. Of course, the .223 is a heck of a lot less expensive to go shootin' with than the 308, but I still want one!

Great video brother.

Thanks for the vid man! Lookin' at getting a CA!

Great video ! I too have a Charlie. I stick it in my backpack and hop on my Yamaha 400 Enduro for a day in the hills. I putt through town and nobody knows I'm packin' a .223. I've carried it in a tennis-racket bag on a city bus and nobody knows. I go snowmobiling and nobody knows I've got a rifle and not a shovel. 30 rounds of .223 and nobody is freaked out because they don't even know I'm carrying.

I really want to get a SU-16c, nice review man

My SU-16A is marked with 5.56mm on the magwell, so that's what I normally shoot through it. I could use .223 Rem as well, but prefer to go with what the chamber is designed for.

I've been trying to find a Su-16, Sub2000, and PMR 30 for the longest with no avail come on Kel-Tec!!!!!

Thank you for the no-bullshit video. I now know how to service an SU-16.

Thanks for the info👍🏿video

@FrikinTastik Yeah, I was very impressed how easy you made it look.

@TheDanScarps Thanks; it is a great little rifle.

I bet my plr16 that the same dust cover will fit all su and plr models. They all seem to have very similiar looking receivers

Dude you're hilarious! When you were taking it apart, you almost sounded like an auctioneer. Nice vid though, very informative.

The SU-16a version that I have now has the same thicker barrel as the C does. The one on the top as the thinner barrel and is definately .223 only.

Very helpful, thanks bro

GREAT video. It really has helped me. My question is, do you or have you done a video on proper cleaning AND lubrication on this rifle when completely disassembled.

They can shoot the 5.56 they are specifically chambered for it. Thank you for the video!

Nice entertaining review`

awesome video, i think i might get me a su-16c

The Alpha I picked-up at a pawn shop for 400 out the door, while my girlfriend paid 500 for the Bravo including it shipped to our FFL. The Charlie was the most expensive, cost was 650 in the hard-to get market here in Seattle; and I had to wait a month from the factory. It can pay off to window-shop pawn establishments, if you don't mind buying used stuff. These prices I mention are a couple of years old now, so shop around.

loved the video! sold a 9mm now I just need another $375! and that baby's mine!

clean that shit! love it! i think i am going to try and get my hand son a SU16 C. love it. thanks for review and video

Oh yeah, the Charlie model's stock clicks into place and is solid as all hell. No movement or wiggle, and I have slammed it into place many a' time. It may look long, lanky, and odd, but it feels oh so good.

@SirWilliam318 Thank you, SirWilliam. Yeah, these little rifles are great, glad the vid helps!

Thanks for the video, I just picked up an A model. The manual isn't the best in it's way of explaining, for my way of interpreting things. You did great in bringing this information out, and shit (just razzing ya, a bit. that little tidbit made me laugh but also made you very blue collar AAAA++++). Thanks again.

@madmattdisease92 Thanks M, and a tough question to answer. It currently is a toss-up between the Alph and Charlie. They all shoot great, but I would think that the thin barrel of the Bravo would not stand it's ground with the thicker barrelled Charlie, and yet the Alpha has the longest barrel, which is known to have the attribute of potentially better accuracy. I have never put them to a side-by-side bench resting test...hey, that ain't a bad idea!

5:55 is the best advice one can get

i have a new one of these (c), and i'm wondering .... am i suppose to oil the spring and gas tube while i have it apart.... cause when i rack it back, i can hear all kinds of spring ranket going on in there? oh and nice vid thanks for the upload, eh! :)

@FrikinTastik i Love the Compact Forend!the price is great, and is very comfortable. the conversion is tricky to get on the rifle. i have the Alpha model, so i took the forend to a gunsmith that put it on. i love how my Kel Tec looks now. i think Kel Tec has some in stock still.

"...Charlie model is my favorite rifle from the SU-16 series."

Thanks man

@MichaelkSimmons What is great about the CA, is that it has the barrel and sights of the C, yet sports the buttstock of the A and B models. The CA (as well as A & B) can't fire when folded, but who cares; shooting with the C folded may be fun, but it is much less accurate.

Kel-Tec sells a replacement pistol grip/buttstck combo in an AR15 style group.

I love the Bravo....

Pressures in the 5.56 cartridge are higher than the .223, and as a result the chamber of the 5.56 is different as well. There’s more throat length in a 5.56 barrel-about .077 inches-and the angle of the throat is different to accommodate increased pressures. It is, therefore, alright to fire a .223 cartridge in a 5.56 chamber, but going the other way can cause pressure problems. Simply put, the .223 doesn’t perform as well in 5.56 chambers as it could.

"clean that shit!" Love it! Question. How much oil do you apply and to which parts?

Thank you for the takedown video. I understand the "C" version will NOT hold a magazine in the folding stock? If not, can you adapt/switch out the "A" or "B" stocks with the "C"? Thanks.

@sajidakh

5 жыл бұрын

Yea but the C will fold on a 30 round magazine. The others wont

I voted your video up cause you made positive reference to TNP! :D

Nice video, good job. I'm a lefty......are the spent shells going to bounce off my forehead?

Good video, still debating either a 16 series or sub-2000. Dam options lol

If your rifle has overpressure issues because of the difference between 5.56 and .223 then it wasn't safe to shoot to begin with. I have no idea why people are concerned about that. If that was true then your your rifle is useless if you want to use high powered hunting ammo. I don't think a manufacturer would make their tolerances that bad.

@agenthelios1 Good question agent, but I feel I am not able to give you the answer you are looking for, since I never buy the best ammo available for .223 or 5.56 rifles. I always buy the lower-middle of the road ammo that is affordble. I never buy the cheapest steel cased ammo either, since it is so filthy to shoot. I would guess that the expensive match-grade ammo available could give better performance than standard stuff. Also the SU-16 will fit any mag for AR's, including the 100rd!!

@Giantwolffish123 It all depends; The Alpha I found at a pawn shop nearly new, paid 400 even out the door. The Bravo my girlfriend bought, paying nearly 500 new and with it being shipped to our FFL. I paid the most for the Charlie, just over 650 new, in a hard-to-get-market (of Seattle), and had to wait for nearly a month for it backordered. Worth the wait though. Now I'm waiting for the PMR 30, but who the hell knows when those will start reaching all the folks waiting for kel tec to ship.

@MrDobans13 I had a piston-based gun (SKS-43) actually jam due to carbon build-up in the gas tube and on the piston. So, it still requires maintenance. The only real difference, IMHO, is that it's much easier to clean the build-up from an SU-16 piston than off the insides of AR-15 action.

5.56x45 nato spec rounds have pressures around 15,000 more PSI than average .223 remington round. I could go on at length as to why but the difference is explained :-)

I want one so bad. 5.56 to me is just a literal 'rifle' round, so this is perfect for it lol. It makes for the perfect truck gun too, two magazines on the weapon alone means you've got enough ammo to get away from something.