Kathleen Stock: 'MPs have lost their minds' on Trans issue

'It's clear that schools don't have to just capitulate to whatever a student is telling them because it might not be in the interests of the student.'
Kathleen Stock says she is glad to see new guidance for schools on trans students and says MPs aren't listening to medical professionals on the issue.
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  • @wardygrub
    @wardygrub4 ай бұрын

    No one should have to put up with death threats, intimidation and bullying for expressing their views, ESPECIALLY in academic environments.

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    One "incident" Stock described as "threatening" was a competing talk across campus. This was reported as bullying. Stock is a bigot and deserve all the respect of a malicious bigot, imo.

  • @callummcintyre713

    @callummcintyre713

    20 күн бұрын

    ​@@jesipohl6717 you lot consider biological facts to be "dangerous", pipe down. Also, words such as "bigot" have lost all meaning because you brainlets have overused them. No one cares outside of establishment puppets.

  • @heathersoper6923
    @heathersoper69234 ай бұрын

    MP’s have lost their minds - Period.

  • @mylucksmiles

    @mylucksmiles

    4 ай бұрын

    It appears to me that people with genda issues want people without genda issues to follow their lead.. my question is why should we ? Their choice is their choice. No one l know is interested in what their sexual Orientation is and it's a choice their choice but why should they be allowed to push their views on to those who are not interested in their sexual partner choice? After all basically they have male gender organs and that is how nature works. When people organise themselves into groups it is to change nature ..... Sadly for them it makes life seem unfair and yet it is a true life can be unfair. So if they want cosmetic surgery that is not a problem . Pay for it yourself as it is a choice not an illness .Don't expect a woman to have to compete with you because basically you're not happy with natured choice. You had your say now respect mine .

  • @Deepfake820

    @Deepfake820

    4 ай бұрын

    Do they have a mind to loose? I never never thought I would ever see this level of absurdities and insanity.

  • @lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

    @lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@mylucksmiles You sound like you're confusing sexuality (which sex(es) a person is attractes to) with the made-up concept of 'gender identity' (how a person feela about the sex of their body). Plenty of gay people have no problem with their sex and just want to live quiet lives.

  • @rogerflack415
    @rogerflack4154 ай бұрын

    The rampant activity of some activist teachers has been very unsettling for their colleagues. Putting a stop to that would be very, very welcome.

  • @karencampbell2410

    @karencampbell2410

    3 ай бұрын

    Teachers aren’t the sharpest tools ⚒️ in the shed.

  • @LS-xs7sg

    @LS-xs7sg

    3 ай бұрын

    I considered retraining as a history teacher but i am not sure how long i would last given the ideological atmosphere. I would not be prepared to lie to children about things like gender and the various false historical narratives that pass muster these days.

  • @simplesimon5739
    @simplesimon57394 ай бұрын

    I hope Ms Stock is doing well and earning an income. And will do so in the future.

  • @cadicamo8720
    @cadicamo87204 ай бұрын

    I've just lost a friend who practically called me a fascist because while I support trans rights and recognise they must be protected from discrimination and recognised as belonging to the gender they want, I dare to say that trans women are not essentially women. My friend told me I shouldn't be able to express myself in public I shouldn't have the right to speak. I was compared to nazis too. All my life I've been staunchly progay and protrans. It's not enough.

  • @gameanalysis3859

    @gameanalysis3859

    4 ай бұрын

    Some people want their opinions to be respected but don’t respect the opinions of others. We should all be allowed to disagree with each other but from the moment you disagree with the trans supporters, you’re vilified.

  • @A-human-like-you

    @A-human-like-you

    4 ай бұрын

    They are taking it too far and people are letting them

  • @nettietrees7238

    @nettietrees7238

    4 ай бұрын

    It’s never enough, because trans ideology is akin to a cult - you must belive, and live the tenets of the ‘faith’. If not, you are anathema. It doesn’t matter if what you say is true, you have gone against the articles of faith, you have blasphemed and must be punished.

  • @angeladyson7367
    @angeladyson73674 ай бұрын

    This whole thing has become insane! No one should be taking political advice from Stonewall, least of all the government, the NHS and schools. They've long been overstepping the mark. They're a charity not political consultants!

  • @lefuedebout
    @lefuedebout4 ай бұрын

    They are just recommendations, suggestions even which can be ignored without consequences, when they ought to have been enforcible laws with consequences if ignored!

  • @Coelacanth1

    @Coelacanth1

    4 ай бұрын

    To enforce by law would open too big a can of worms for what are not very competent MP's. So to make legally unenforcible recommendations is a bit of a sop to the fan base

  • @ginojaco
    @ginojaco4 ай бұрын

    I don't agree with Kathleen Stock on the vast majority of political matters, but she is entirely right in this matter and has shown and continues to show great moral courage.

  • @thomasrussell4674

    @thomasrussell4674

    4 ай бұрын

    What are her political views by the way? Is she progressive or conservative?

  • @3brenm

    @3brenm

    4 ай бұрын

    ​​​​​​​@@thomasrussell4674 she's a lefty generally (not far left, probably a social democrat). Some of the loudest gender critical voices in the uk are from the left. Rowling, stock, even kj keen was from the left

  • @ginojaco

    @ginojaco

    2 ай бұрын

    @@thomasrussell4674 Ha! 'progressive' is a label the Left applies itself. She is generally to the Left. 👍

  • @stephennoble
    @stephennoble4 ай бұрын

    School teacher's are there to teach, children want to be onething then change their minds the next, nothing to do with schools 😏

  • @tourmelion9221

    @tourmelion9221

    4 ай бұрын

    Everything is to do with everything, we should facilitate all children's needs, including those who want to be respected in their choice to socially transition, many studies show that after transitioning those people are happier, must there be no protections for those people in society when it comes to harassment, cause refusing to respect a persons choice even when you know it's for their happiness, and in some cases health, is just cruel and insensitive

  • @stephennoble

    @stephennoble

    4 ай бұрын

    @tourmelion9221 still has nothing to do with teaching 🙄

  • @tourmelion9221

    @tourmelion9221

    4 ай бұрын

    @@stephennoble teachers shouldn't be allowed to harass students, by your logic teachers shouldn't be required to be checked to be safe around children either, if you're around vulnerable individual you should be safe and courteous towards them

  • @stephencollins9062

    @stephencollins9062

    4 ай бұрын

    Indulging delusional thought processes is not beneficial at all Teach them to accept themselves for who they are Not what they are not​@@tourmelion9221

  • @A-human-like-you

    @A-human-like-you

    4 ай бұрын

    Children want to be a superman, a mermaid, and a police officer, should we change the country’s structure because children want to every day be something else? Should we let them stop the cars in the streets because they feel like they want to do that job?

  • @ashleyc506
    @ashleyc5063 ай бұрын

    The world is slowing coming around on this and it’s about damn time!

  • @callummcintyre713

    @callummcintyre713

    20 күн бұрын

    Aye but, as they say, it's always "darkest before dawn". The extremists are going to do their best to maintain their stranglehold and, will go to any lengths to do so. Just look at Scotlands "hate crime" bill and, that Irish MPs are looking to implement their own.

  • @karencampbell2410
    @karencampbell24103 ай бұрын

    A lot of people have lost their minds today unfortunately 🙃😩It is madness.

  • @charlottebowes7666
    @charlottebowes76664 ай бұрын

    The result is one cannot change sex, so the process isn’t a transition.

  • @sn4rff
    @sn4rffАй бұрын

    #TruthIsNotAHateCrime

  • @RalphBrooker-gn9iv
    @RalphBrooker-gn9ivАй бұрын

    I side with Kathleen Stock, read her important, canonical *Material Girls* . I’m a Sussex Uni alumnus (philosophy, AI, cognitive science). I’d left long before she came. But was angered and disappointed by her treatment at/by Sussex, an otherwise outstanding intellectual centre. But Sussex’ loss… I’m also ex-British Army, a remarkably meritocratic institution that is at risk of becoming hamstrung by some of these issues. Had to look up ‘Rizz’. PS. It’s worth not losing sight of Kathleen Stock’s earlier work well before gender issues kicked off. A superb work about the so-called Intentional Fallacy (does an author’s intentions in writing a piece of literature L bear on the proprietary or indeed any interpretation of L?). PPS. I think Bernard Williams was absolutely dripping with rizz. He showered people with the stuff 😊

  • @kathyswearingen1509
    @kathyswearingen15094 ай бұрын

    Best wishes to Professor Stock

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    Did she transition?

  • @a.e.a.porter7045
    @a.e.a.porter70454 ай бұрын

    Ones Genetic Karyotype is defined at the point of Zygote formation and no amount of intervention, either Medical in the form of hormone therapy or surgical reconstruction can change that basic fact. The genetic details encoded in the Zygote are then passed onto every cell in the body, thus in order to change gender one would need to change the DNA in every cell in the body. Even if this were desirable it is not possible.

  • @mariannelindsell6042

    @mariannelindsell6042

    4 ай бұрын

    Surely the set of genes you have (genotype) is more important than the packets they are grouped into (karotype)? It seems likely that brain/body gender mismatch is either coded into the genotype, and/or is brought about by embryological history or environmental factors. Regardless, people should be free to live as nearly as possible in the gender that corresponds to their brain.

  • @a.e.a.porter7045

    @a.e.a.porter7045

    4 ай бұрын

    @@mariannelindsell6042 o One has to look at this issue in proportion: it has been estimated that there are fewer than 100000 people in Britain who suffer from what is termed "Gender Disphoria". 100000 in a population of 70 million equates to less than 0.15%of the population. Of the 100000 approximately 95% are psychlogically "unhappy" with the cards which nature has dealt them. Of the remaining 5% , 4.9% are "neither one thing or the other" due to an inherited genetic defect of which there are several to choose from and regardless of any intervention that is what they will always be. One should show the same degree of empathy to these groups as one would to anyone suffering from a psychological or physiological disorder but that should not extend to a denial of verifiable scientific fact.

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    "Mismatch" is not the universal way trans people talk about this. The most universal mismatch is the assignation (society) vs the individual. We all suffering from that, a few bigots have been convinced that the oppresor's ideology, economic materialism, is ground truth. Most of human cultural existence we knew nothing of chromosomes and in our thoughts we did not think about such things when it came to being and loving. This is colonialism that asserting essentialisations that exclude. Not all fascists are TERFs, but all TERFs are fascists, because they claim their identity is central. A cornerstone of fascism.

  • @mariannelindsell6042

    @mariannelindsell6042

    4 ай бұрын

    @jesipohl6717 Forgive me, - I can't seem to always keep up with the latest terminology that is trending. I simply speak as logically as I can using as few buzzwords as I can. To me, "mismatch" seems the perfect summary description of the phenomenon: where brain gender is not the same as body gender. Of course there are other complexities, - such as the difference between the set of genes we have and how they are packaged up into chromosomes. But then there is also the complexity of which parts of the brain are gendered, and the extent to which it is detectable in life via brain scanning technology. And then, as you say, there is the complexity of social expression of gender, - or for many people, which gender society compels you to live as, socially. Even the best of us, collectively, struggle to fully comprehend all of these factors, so it is no surprise that many people don't understand. And of course we tend to fear what we don't understand and reject it, often spitefully. The current backlash against puberty blockers is particularly tragic because the people so deeply sceptical about them don't seem to have realised that once puberty has set in, you have to live the rest of your life with the consequences. For a trans person that means the stature ans skeletal heaviness of the opposite gender, plus for transwomen a voice of the opposite gender.

  • @haleystewart6640
    @haleystewart66404 ай бұрын

    All guidance people. That's the key word. So the interprétation will be variable.

  • @mahirdar2611
    @mahirdar26114 ай бұрын

    Common sense prevailing. Nature should remain natural. Slowly but surely.

  • @user-ib9ky2jo9h

    @user-ib9ky2jo9h

    4 ай бұрын

    hope you dont wear shoes or clothes, theyre unnatural!

  • Ай бұрын

    This very much presumes they had minds in the first place which on available evidence seems unlikely.

  • @GreatWestern175
    @GreatWestern1753 ай бұрын

    This whole trans thing is a total embarrassment.

  • @royalukas8144
    @royalukas81444 ай бұрын

    There’s nothing that will guarantee that the wrong decision is made is if lawyers, non-medical academics and politicians make decisions for children, parents and their doctors. But really so happy to hear your opinion

  • 4 ай бұрын

    It will not guarantee it, but probability is quite high

  • @maryskelcher8979
    @maryskelcher89794 ай бұрын

    This is scary

  • @antho9101
    @antho91014 ай бұрын

    Finally a voice of reason in this "americanised" outrage

  • @sonofsomerset1695
    @sonofsomerset16954 ай бұрын

    This is just guidance, to far left teachers that hate the tories, so are more likely to do the opposite even more than they are already.

  • @the3chalengers46
    @the3chalengers464 ай бұрын

    She is the only woman that makes me question my sexual orientation.

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    How do you know she's a woman?

  • @thehazelnutspread
    @thehazelnutspread4 ай бұрын

    OBVIOUS

  • @theoccupier1652
    @theoccupier16524 ай бұрын

    I have been 5 ft 2 inches all my life ... I want to get on this new fangled band waggon ... I Now Want to be a Giraffe ... do you think in my old age 67 I could pull it off ?

  • @theoccupier1652

    @theoccupier1652

    4 ай бұрын

    @@lennywhite2833 Long Tall Sally

  • @bristolcorvid8894

    @bristolcorvid8894

    4 ай бұрын

    If a six-foot, fifty-year-old, Canadian man can identify as a thirteen-year-old girl, your stunning and brave goal of growing into a giraffe will be a cinch! Enjoy your new life, nibbling away at greenery in Kenya while evading the lions!

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    I think in your old age you could do a lot of things to benefit the trans community, most of them involved winning a Darwin Award, which I don't thing you're couragous enough to do. But good luck in you endeavor to be both old and unlikable ❤

  • @markreilly52
    @markreilly524 ай бұрын

    Remember Brianna.

  • @Fee_V

    @Fee_V

    4 ай бұрын

    Fks Brianna got to do with anything?

  • @magnusandersson5818
    @magnusandersson58184 ай бұрын

    Claiming that not being taken seriously is for my own good is perhaps not the smartest thing I've heard this week.

  • @YellowfinGrouper

    @YellowfinGrouper

    4 ай бұрын

    If you are a child then that happens all the time. And so it should,because you don’t have the maturity to make decisions that could ultimately affect your ability to enjoy sex or have children yourself.

  • @magnusandersson5818

    @magnusandersson5818

    4 ай бұрын

    @@YellowfinGrouper True, and one should be careful. I completely agree. But at the same time, the suicide statistics show that it should be taken seriously and you should be careful about dismissing it ‘for your own good’.

  • @ScottishAtheist

    @ScottishAtheist

    4 ай бұрын

    @@magnusandersson5818 "suicide statistics show " No they don't. This is a threat used to emotional blackmail. It's all talk with no follow through. The "stats" are a baseless myth pushed by activists to scare parents and teachers.

  • @NikkNikk-qg5xs
    @NikkNikk-qg5xs4 ай бұрын

    Sheep dog greyhound 😅

  • @fitblkpa
    @fitblkpa4 ай бұрын

    Where is the debate here? Wasn’t this a soap box for one position? It would been nice to hear a debate of both sides these

  • @Fee_V

    @Fee_V

    4 ай бұрын

    Nowhere, cuz it wasn’t a debate. It was an ‘interview’.

  • @fitblkpa

    @fitblkpa

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Fee_V interview or soapbox?!

  • @Fee_V

    @Fee_V

    4 ай бұрын

    @@fitblkpa Interview. It’s very simple.

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    Soapbox

  • @silver4831
    @silver48314 ай бұрын

    Why is this man so unhappy about trans people?

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    He just wants to be loved.

  • @twisteddancer7773
    @twisteddancer77734 ай бұрын

    Katherleen is right on this one. Noakes is a joke

  • @xinma6034
    @xinma60344 ай бұрын

    No brain

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    Na she has one it's just tiny

  • @xinma6034

    @xinma6034

    4 ай бұрын

    @@jesipohl6717 very tiny

  • @Theycallmemister
    @Theycallmemister4 ай бұрын

    I am dix tin guished 😂 I am 😂not ex tin guished

  • @KidarWolf
    @KidarWolf4 ай бұрын

    I can agree with some of what she's saying, but I think she's looking at cherry picked data to reach her conclusion, same as some of the clinicians who back her point of view are.

  • @carltaylor6452

    @carltaylor6452

    4 ай бұрын

    Which data, specifically, do you think she's ignored?

  • @mikedebruyn

    @mikedebruyn

    4 ай бұрын

    What data is she looking at then? The guidance has come out and she is asked to react to that. I am assuming that those who made the guidance have asked others in the specific fields for input but maybe you have something that those experts missed?

  • @FishandHunt

    @FishandHunt

    4 ай бұрын

    Please enlighten us all.

  • @rampage241

    @rampage241

    4 ай бұрын

    Numerous systematic reviews of scientific literature have been done (UK, Finland, Sweden, Florida) and concluded that the available scientific research doesn't support so called Gender Affirming Care. Those organizations who still support it eg American Peadiatric Association do so based on spurious, cherrpicked studies and have for years REFUSED to conduct unbiased systematic evidence reviews.

  • @eileenbrazil8039

    @eileenbrazil8039

    4 ай бұрын

    Enlighten us..

  • @matthewdiment2325
    @matthewdiment23254 ай бұрын

    what if mental illness is mixed up with genuine cases were people genuinely are a diffrent mental sex to there physical one but I belive this is very rare .

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    Maybe try to find some information out from trans people. Jumping on majority populist bandwagons hasn't worked out will in mid 20th century european history. Just ask the NS-saluting british monarchy.

  • @dpict1088
    @dpict10884 ай бұрын

    She names politicians with whom she both agrees and disagrees, but fails to mention the name of any expert that agrees with her, only that they exist and we should take her word for it.

  • @carltaylor6452

    @carltaylor6452

    4 ай бұрын

    Deflection. She's a philosopher; she's not asking that we take her word for it; there are numerous experts in paedeatric medicine and child psychology who agree with her. If you cared about this issue you'd know who they are.

  • @Ofasia777

    @Ofasia777

    4 ай бұрын

    @@carltaylor6452 Do those "paedeatric" experts have names?

  • @carltaylor6452

    @carltaylor6452

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Ofasia777 Sure. These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. There are many others I could list if you gave me a few hours. Dr Az Hakeem - Consultant Psychiatrist & Medical Psychotherapist Sonia Appleby - Child Safeguarding Social Worker Dr David Bell - Consultant Psychiatrist Dr Hilary Cass OBE - Consultant in Paediatric Disability Stella O’Mally - Family Psychotherapist

  • @dpict1088

    @dpict1088

    4 ай бұрын

    @@carltaylor6452 There I go again, expecting that when people present words as facts they are asking that we believe them, that we take their word for it. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of some of the experts she’s referring to?

  • @AndreS_22246

    @AndreS_22246

    4 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@Ofasia777 you know that people are hesitant to speak freely as they’ll be attacked. But Stella O’Malley and Sasha Ayad are examples who clearly care. The Cass report is a professional view. In the long run it’s very damaging to Trans people if you shreak ’transphobe’ at anyone who talks about this issue. Why not talk back, nicely?

  • @lkyuvsad
    @lkyuvsad4 ай бұрын

    Ok, but in good faith- what about the trans kids? The guidelines refer to “gender ideology” as a belief that people can have a different gender to their sex. “Ideology” is a dog whistle, as is “belief”. They seem to say that the idea that gender and sex are different is a “contested belief”. If you don’t think gender and sex are different, then trans people can’t exist as far as I can see? How are guidelines that will trans kids’ existences away helping them? Trans people clearly exist, don’t they? Much like gay people, people who don’t want kids, asexual people or whatever- trans people crop up for the whole of human history. This isn’t something new or something that is going to go away if we pretend it isn’t there. Trans people exist and have always existed, so trans kids exist. No doubt some kids who aren’t trans are going to end up wondering if they are, now that’s a more visible thing, and they should be protected. But what about the kids who are trans? The guidelines force teachers to bring parents in to a child’s questions about their gender. That’s great if you have good parents, but it is going to be a disaster for genuinely trans kids with bad parents. Also bad for kids who end up not being trans but suffer further abuse while they figure that out. There’s also a vaguely-defined suggestion that the school community’s comfort may outweigh a trans kid’s need to identify the way they feel. That just seems bonkers to me. We wouldn’t say that about gay people, would we? The guidelines seem to spend a lot of time protecting non-trans people from the inconvenience of accommodating difference. I do understand the concerns about sports, especially when kids are too young to go on hormones that level the physical playing field. That’s a difficult and actively-debated topic even among trans communities. Likewise changing rooms, although I don’t see how that’s very different to fears around having gay people in same-sex changing rooms. If money wasn’t an object, removing communal changing and showers would solve a lot of other problems for everyone else as well, to be frank.

  • @YellowfinGrouper

    @YellowfinGrouper

    4 ай бұрын

    Quite a lot of points here. Yes of course transgender people have always existed. However, not in the numbers we are seeing now. And certainly not the high numbers of girls. Normally most transgender people are male to female. Greater public awareness may be a factor allowing more young people to come forward - and that is a good thing- but it doesn’t explain a 1000% increase or the vast inversion of male to female ratio. There is some evidence to suggest that homophobia, sexual objectification of young women, autism and being a victim of sexual abuse may be a factor for many of these young women. In fact a large percentage of girls treated by the Tavistock were gay or autistic. There is no hard research on this and part of the reason for that is that any scientist trying to research whether these girls were really trans would be condemned as transphobic and sacked or bullied out of their job as Kathleen Stock was. The trans lobby is a very vociferous and at times vindictive one and they don’t seem to care whether or not what they are advocating is in children’s best interests.

  • @rampage241

    @rampage241

    4 ай бұрын

    Gender ideology is indeed a belief system and the majority of people reject its tenets. It is gender ideologists who conflate sex & gender when they demand that trans-identifying people be treated as the opposite SEX (sports, changing rooms, pronouns) rather than only advocating for acceptance of their gender performance.

  • @Coelacanth1

    @Coelacanth1

    4 ай бұрын

    @@YellowfinGrouper It has been suggested gender equality is driving it, where here if females can now do the same jobs as males and vice versa what is the point of gender ?

  • @lkyuvsad

    @lkyuvsad

    4 ай бұрын

    @@YellowfinGrouper this is a tired point, but are we sure this isn’t partly just what we saw with left-handedness, gay people, ADHD and autism? Prevalence rates skyrocket every time tolerance is extended until they reach their real level and then plateau. I’ve only seen anecdotal evidence of the things you are talking about and some flawed or preliminary research. I am sure these problems exist and worry about them too. Detransitioners for reasons other than going back in to the closet create problems for both the detransitioner and people who want to transition in future. But if we’re honest we have no idea how common these cases are. Detransition rates are still very low, although of course we’d expect them to lag. As you say it’s incredibly hard to get good research done on this in the current climate because a lot of people have lost their minds. Where are you getting your 1000% number? The data point I find most interesting is that in 2021 in the UK, 1% of 16-25 year olds identified as trans, which is only 4x the proportion of 75 years and over (0.22%) and only double 45-54 (0.47%). That doesn’t seem much different to what we’d expect from increased awareness and acceptance. This is also self-identification- the data doesn’t tell us how many of these people managed to get a medical diagnosis, which is the thing that people are most worried about. The numbers also probably reflect the fact that gender dysphoria is more common when we are younger, and that many people grow out of it as they get older. Which is something that I do think should urge caution. Having said that, kids and young adults with extremely strong feelings of dysphoria do not generally grow out of it. The point I am making is that yes, mistaken diagnosis is a problem, but so is lack of diagnosis. There are many areas of medicine without precise diagnostic tools and imperfect treatment- we solve that problem through cautious science, not by denying care to everyone. I don’t think your points about some members of the trans lobby’s behaviour are pertinent. It’s an ad hominem, at root. Every group will have members who are unhinged and on social media. But even if all people concerned about the well-being of trans people were as nice as it’s possible to be, we should still expect them to be very angry. Every underserved group is angry, for good reasons. That doesn’t necessarily tell us anything about the truth or otherwise of what they’re saying. We need to listen to the signal, not the noise.

  • @lkyuvsad

    @lkyuvsad

    4 ай бұрын

    @@rampage241 in a UK survey in 2020, 53% of people agreed that people should be able to change the sex field on their birth certificate, and 24% disagreed. So in fact the majority of people here are in support of trans people. Although I doubt it feels like that to trans people a lot of the time. Calling something a “belief system” is meaningless in terms of establishing fact. Calling something an “ideology” is clearer, because it implies that a specific belief system disagrees with fact. In which case you need to list the facts at issue. Being called “she” _is_ part of gender performance. “Female” can refer to sex or gender, which causes confusion. Nobody thinks trans men are literally biological men. Trans women aren’t demanding hysterectomies. As I have said, I have no answers on the sports thing. It’s a really difficult one and you will find plenty of trans people online having nuanced conversations about that. Personally I think we should slowly move to individual changing rooms and bathrooms. It costs a bit of money but has benefits beyond trans people.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903
    @paulinskipukprogressive49034 ай бұрын

    Interestingly Kathleen Stock does not name one single expert or psychologist - she says 'they all agree with me !' But does not name a single example

  • @brandyhaywood6256

    @brandyhaywood6256

    4 ай бұрын

    And your point is? The evidence in support of what she says is absolutely overwhelming. Do your research. Do your due diligence. Stop being a cult member.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@brandyhaywood6256 so you also say there is SO much evidence but can't name any real experts hmmm

  • @brandyhaywood6256

    @brandyhaywood6256

    4 ай бұрын

    @@paulinskipukprogressive4903 oh for heaven's sake grow up. Abigail Shrier, Kathleen Stock, Jordan Peterson, Genevieve Gluck, Kellie Jay Keen, Exulansic, Maria Grossman, Jamie Reed, Marcus Evans, Hannah Barnes etc

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@brandyhaywood6256 according to you these people are experts who say that trans people are not real or should not be tolerated?

  • @minhearg8331

    @minhearg8331

    4 ай бұрын

    And "Biology For Dummies" by Rene Fester Kratz" @@brandyhaywood6256

  • @Ofasia777
    @Ofasia7774 ай бұрын

    When the culture war goes international.

  • @danmayberry1185

    @danmayberry1185

    4 ай бұрын

    Predictable, from the pages of Populism For Dummies. Luckily, the audience is packed with nationalists, who are blissfully ignorant about use of the same formula beyond their own borders.

  • @MichelleBlessing
    @MichelleBlessing4 ай бұрын

    Poor trans kids.

  • @XY-dd5nz

    @XY-dd5nz

    4 ай бұрын

    😄😄😄

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@XY-dd5nz

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903
    @paulinskipukprogressive49034 ай бұрын

    Times Radio giving the Conservative party a lot of love and support here - After they have practically destroyed the economy and the NHS and water companies, etc etc etc and set everyone to fighting everyone else, based on race, nationality, gender, and other irrelevant divisive issues

  • @Medeasbiggestfan

    @Medeasbiggestfan

    4 ай бұрын

    A broken clock is right twice a day. The Conservative government happens to be right on this issue and many Labour MPs support this guidance. Also, Kathleen Stock names two MPs who she thinks have ’lost their minds’ on this issue, Caroline Nokes and Kate Osborne, one is Conservative and the other is Labour.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Medeasbiggestfan what expertise or knowledge do you have in this area ?

  • @Medeasbiggestfan

    @Medeasbiggestfan

    4 ай бұрын

    @@paulinskipukprogressive4903 I’m a citizen in a democracy assessing the policy of the current government, which is my right and obligation as a voter. I think the government is right on this issue and, from what I have seen, Labour agrees. You have the right to disagree.

  • @XY-dd5nz

    @XY-dd5nz

    4 ай бұрын

    That's five comments from you so far. Half of them claiming this is a Sky news report. You're obsessed and delusional, just like most of your ilk.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Medeasbiggestfan this subject involves specialised knowledge and expertise, and first-hand experience without these, all opinions on the subject are meaningless

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903
    @paulinskipukprogressive49034 ай бұрын

    Incredibly, Sky have done it again ! You left trans people out of the 'trans debate' ! like saying, "ooh lets have a 'debate' about blacks" But we won't hear any black people's opinions, ok folks ?

  • @cdo...49283

    @cdo...49283

    4 ай бұрын

    Not every single conversation needs this narcissist.. most conversations have had propaganda from creeps like Stonewall and Mermaids with no pushback despite their blatant unscientific claims. Hearing the other view is vital.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@cdo...49283 there are no 'views' on this - it's a specialised area that people like us know nothing about - you have to hear from people who are actually affected, and the kind of experts who work with them

  • @Dbdbe1

    @Dbdbe1

    4 ай бұрын

    She’s turned into rent a gob. If indeed she was ever anything else

  • @XY-dd5nz

    @XY-dd5nz

    4 ай бұрын

    A) This isn't Sky. It's Times Radio. You don't even know which channel you're watching. B) Stop spamming the comments with hateful claptrap. It's boring.

  • @jesipohl6717

    @jesipohl6717

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@cdo...49283

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903
    @paulinskipukprogressive49034 ай бұрын

    What a great interviewer ! giving a free, unchallenged platform to nasty, unqualified right wing prejudice Well done Sky, pulitzer's in the post !

  • @XY-dd5nz

    @XY-dd5nz

    4 ай бұрын

    A) This isn't Sky. It's Times Radio. You don't even know which channel you're watching. B) Stop spamming the comments with hateful claptrap. It's boring.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@XY-dd5nz what is hateful about treating trans people as equals, dumbo ?

  • @nikobellic570

    @nikobellic570

    4 ай бұрын

    Because her arguments are water tight

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    @paulinskipukprogressive4903

    4 ай бұрын

    @@nikobellic570 and how did you suddenly wake up one day and think 'oh no ! trans people are out of control ! we must fight back !' Come on - have you ever met even one single trans person ?

  • @briancox9357

    @briancox9357

    Ай бұрын

    I've never met a flat earther. But I know the Earth isn't flat.