Anyone who thinks "the kids know who they are" -- have apparently never studied the developmental stages of the human brain.

@SonyaStarsSoul

7 ай бұрын

💯 Well said

@Leon-ty6bw

7 ай бұрын

Or never listen to kids explain why they are unicorn/spiderman.

@saydvoncripps

7 ай бұрын

Im a mother or 2, grandmother of 5 and a psychology graduate. Oh my, never has truer words been said. Exactly.

@Consequence

7 ай бұрын

Or bloody met a child.

@877swissmiss

7 ай бұрын

and forgot about their own childhood and decisions they made. I thought I could fly from the roof with a self made parachute of plastic bags🙈( age 10). Luckily an adult saw me on the roof and scream shocked me out of it😂 Just one example of a silly idea. But how would a child ever be able to imagine what they would want just 5y later, let alone as a fully brain developed adult (age25). It‘s just not possible. Puberty is such an essential period of development, I really don‘t understand how anyone ever could believe it to be a good idea to take that away from a teen😢 Could only have been an inhumane brutal creep…, definitely not a psychiatrist specialized in mental&physicaö development. It was an endocrinologist with a grandiosity complex I‘d say…

Well done Unherd for giving Stock a platform to be heard, and giving this issue the airtime it deserves. I truly believe these clinics will sit alongside the mental hospitals who lobotomised patients when looked back on from the future.

@wellnessgirl2806

7 ай бұрын

Well said.

@mortagon1451

7 ай бұрын

I completely agree, this is the greatest medical scandal of our time.

@sonjak8265

7 ай бұрын

There may not be a future.

@blugreen99

7 ай бұрын

I was born with the wrong head. I feel like I have someone else's mind. Brain transplants should be available on the NHS.

@JCDeeCa

7 ай бұрын

With organ harvesting w/o consent being legalized in North America and at the same time with an anti-organ trafficking law. Complete market control of your organs. We've become 100% recyclable commodities.

I have worked in NHS since 1995 and I despair at the cult like dogma and doctrine that has taken over in recent years. Staff are frightened to speak out. Cowardice maybe but I'm keeping my head down until I can get out.

@ranchhilliness9908

7 ай бұрын

Silence in the face of evil is evil within itself.

@ingridparrillasanchez9871

7 ай бұрын

Even if you try to speak out, you won't get anywhere and you'll lose your job STAT.

@ranchhilliness9908

7 ай бұрын

@@ingridparrillasanchez9871 I hope you’re wrong about the not getting anywhere bit.

@nicola7917

3 ай бұрын

You will put your head down when children are being mutilated how can you sleep at night.The NHS will strike for more money not scared off losing your jobs😂but won't strike about the abuse over children .

@bod9193

Ай бұрын

Yet Maya Forstater won. Perhaps we need a really big test case within the NHS whereby a whistleblower shows the world all the rot that has corroded the system (especially since the WPATH files released by Michael Schellenberger don’t seem to have had the necessary effect)?

Professor Gary Butler is never, ever, going to admit that he was wrong. His status, reputation, and moral compass depend on ignoring facts. For him to acknowledge and take responsibility for the damage he has done is beyond his personal capacity. The cognitive dissonance must be truly monumental.

@sookibeulah9331

7 ай бұрын

He can’t. Can you imagine having to acknowledge a error you’ve repeatedly made will have caused the direct suffering of 1000s? He’d have to be a psychopath for the guilt to not trigger a complete psychological breakdown.

@coldsteel865

7 ай бұрын

I can only imagine how much pain he will go through when he has his life review.@@sookibeulah9331

@vaska1999

6 ай бұрын

​@@sookibeulah9331He probably is -- a sociopath. A lot of them end up in high positions in the professions, in business, in medicine, politics and the army. There's research on that, and we really need to work out a way to weed them out all positions of decision-making and responsibility.

@megazw7740

6 ай бұрын

The human brain is highly self protective. His brain cannot consider that he is doing harm. That's what bothers me most, I genuinely think the majority of these people think they are helping.

It is outrageous that Parliament has not had open and honest discussion of this subject which is sabotaging our children's future and wellbeing. Society is being seriously undermined by a cult-like fanaticism that drives this issue.

@Summer97_

6 ай бұрын

well said

@johnlennox-pe2nq

6 ай бұрын

it's no coincidence that with the decline in the belief of a Judeo Christian God and biblical wisdom, that trans lunacy stepped into the vacuum; one huge step in the moral decline was 'gay marriage';

@truthfortots3288

6 ай бұрын

Kathleen Stock: Inside Britain's new mutilation clinics

@johnlennox-pe2nq

6 ай бұрын

Domino effect -- if they take a stand, the USA, Sweden and the rest will call us out at being anti humane; was the same with sodomite-les fake marriages, who have rights to adopt lil kids and brainwash....spread like a cnacer When AI humanoids get the right to vote, then God help us

@next_door_rigil3270

6 ай бұрын

I dont think you need to worry. The waiting list is horrendous and they dont seem to care about improving it. They take several years to get a consultation and you dont get medication after one consultation.

No one can change sex its impossible. You stay the same sex irrespective of what drugs you take and what surgeries you have .

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

6 ай бұрын

Yep. After the surgery you are maimed not the opposite sex!

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

@@user-zz9gn2dc3l 'Maimed'? We speak about no other surgery like this.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

Transgender people know that they will always be transgender, they are not stupid.

@vaska1999

6 ай бұрын

​@@roseparade_And yet transgender males insist they're women.

@yourdailydoseofreality3219

6 ай бұрын

@@roseparade_ Then why do they want access to women-only spaces?

I saw a video where a doctor said “the cure for dysphoria is puberty”. Made sense to me.

@TerriblePerfection

7 ай бұрын

Same with anxiety and depression. It's off the charts because puberty and young adulthood are now disorders that need medical intervention. I remember plenty of angst and existential questions as a young person. We grow up.

@scottmcmahon86

7 ай бұрын

@@TerriblePerfection You had teenage angst... Not Clinical Depression.. Conflating the two is ignorant and shows you know nothing....

@avoidantbehavior

7 ай бұрын

@@scottmcmahon86 neither do mental health professionals

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

Except for all of those people who do not find this to be true. Every transgender adult.

@tamsinmccormick

4 ай бұрын

Yes the correct puberty will indeed cure dysphoria. The wrong puberty will make it worse.

This is about power not gender.

@chrisbfreelance

7 ай бұрын

Power, money and control.

@briancox9357

7 ай бұрын

And population reduction

@poultryfaarm

7 ай бұрын

And arguably creating a population of physically pre-pubescent people within the age of legal consent. Very dicey given this countries history of abuse within institutions… I only just thought of this, haven’t heard anyone voice this concern elsewhere

@Eragarev

7 ай бұрын

They believe that they have the moral high ground, and since there is now an absolutist approach to moral high grounds, they have to try to seize control of the country and culture in order to enact what they think culture should be. Literally, they want to turn the country until one, big, girl-modded facebook page lol

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

Yes, those powerful transgender teenagers. First it was the gay lobby, now this.

it is not difficult-it is child abuse plain and simple. we can flower up our language,run through nuance but the base of it all is simply allowing a whole society to abuse the most vulnerable-to a roaring round of applause

@Ibanez-nt5rq

7 ай бұрын

Well said. 100% correct.

@musicsubicandcebu1774

7 ай бұрын

The abuse is non-intentional. I theorize it is the result of parents distancing themselves emotionally from their children. (There's a good reason why they do, and why it occurs when it does, but let that pass for now.) The result is that the child may try to gain the love it desperately needs by becoming like the parent, even by attempting to become the parent. I apologize if this comment offends anybody but it's time we sorted this out.

@annereidy7981

7 ай бұрын

@@musicsubicandcebu1774 I think you have a point in relation to immediate family but that doesn't account for the medicalisation and the support of that medicalisation, by outside society, which is generally composed of people who stylize society around the idea that feelings are more definable than body and context.

@beansandmacaroni8758

7 ай бұрын

@@musicsubicandcebu1774 The fact is we have been brainwashed slowly with 'be kind'.Look at these surgeries-look at the posterchild for trans youth Jazz Jennings and how deeply broken Jazz seems now.He would have grown to be a gay man.They want to trans the gay away.that i believe wholeheartedly.the homphobia on full dispaly is tangible and somehow all state sponsored. its been happening for so long now,inching along while we were distracted-now that more can see hopefully more will say. we are not bigots or any sort pf phobe,ist or ism for wanting to let children be children.the damage cross sex hormones do is horrendous in many adults,never mind developing bodies. apologies for the essay,it just horrifies me to my marrow

@Nous520

7 ай бұрын

This is exactly right.

I am in total awe of how calm people like Kathleen Stock remain when discussing these issues. It is so important to remain calm and discuss rationally. Wonderful advocate for children and adolescents. Thankyou.

@lynnebarnes3840

4 ай бұрын

Helen Joyce is good at keeping calm too, another wonderful woman.

@rickysmom809

4 ай бұрын

Love Kathleen, love how she laughs after she says stuff against this trans situation. That laugh is very quite passive but who blames her!

Never validate the patient's delusions or you will lose control of the psychiatric ward.

@normietwiceremoved

7 ай бұрын

It's surprising, isn't it? Both gender dysphoria and schizophrenia involve a divergence from what many consider to be objective reality. Yet, in psychiatric settings, only gender dysphoria seems to get treatment that affirms this divergence. Why has this become the norm? It's perplexing.

@lesleyscott938

7 ай бұрын

Some are not delusional though. I find your comment very offensive and bigoted.

@SK-hj8ss

7 ай бұрын

@@lesleyscott938 You find it offensive and bigoted because you have no basic understanding of psychiatric principles and probably because you just like to tell people they are offensive and bigoted as a way to shut down conversation. It is a basic core psychiatric principle that psychiatrists and psychologists are taught. You support your patient, but you never validate a delirious or deluded patient's delusions. This is psychiatry 101.

@lesleyscott938

7 ай бұрын

@@SK-hj8ss some of these poor people are not delusional, so your comment is offensive to me.

@SK-hj8ss

7 ай бұрын

@@lesleyscott938 Well, by definition, if the patient is not delusional it may be the patient. I didn't say anything about NON delusional patients.

The commissioners are totally out of their depth on this matter. Great to see Kathleen fighting the good fight

@binghamguevara6814

7 ай бұрын

She’s lesbian. She’s part of the problem.

To compare a child saying they are the opposite sex to a child experiencing child abuse is absurd. On that same type of thinking, we could also say we have to believe the anorexic child who says they are fat while starving themselves. Utterly insane.

@Consequence

7 ай бұрын

Careful, you're bringing up the kryptonite of the ideology. That, transrace, and suicidality - even though they are beginning to affirm more people in their desire to die in canada so that example is following the trans lead.

@hastings_press

7 ай бұрын

No. it's worse

@fralanasko2900

6 ай бұрын

Except in this case by ignoring your child and not being supportive whether they are trans or gay etc.... increases their chance of a poor outcome and suicidality. Stop. This. Nonsense.

@itsmyaccount1153

6 ай бұрын

no such thing as a "trans child" @@fralanasko2900

@Consequence

6 ай бұрын

@@fralanasko2900 nice talking point, bot. Suicidality is linked to all sorts of mental health issues, which "trans kids" often have independently of the belief they are born in the wrong body. BTW, "trans" and "gay" are completely different - the latter is real, the former is often used to disguise the latter.

It does concern me that while the government & NHS dithers on this the activists get a greater toe hold in education, social services & other areas of the NHS. It also provides a vacuum for private identity clinics to fill, who have more concern for ££ than a teen or young persons MH.

@bernardofitzpatrick5403

7 ай бұрын

So you are unreservedly biased … no discussion.

@bernardofitzpatrick5403

7 ай бұрын

Since when does the medical community care about the untoward side effects of potentially dangerous drugs?

@bevwhite9913

7 ай бұрын

​@@bernardofitzpatrick5403If by biased you mean I don't think any child should be told they're in the 'wrong body' or that gender is something that isn't sex but you can take drugs or change your sex characteristics & that's your gender. I'm happy with that.

@roleat

7 ай бұрын

​@@bernardofitzpatrick5403they do operate on profits but generally side effects are meant to be considered before treatments. Medicalizing trans identity was a political tool for the left.

@honberg193

7 ай бұрын

@@bevwhite9913 Feminist ideology. Proto gender ideology.

There was a time, when most people never even heard of trans. And, people who 'changes sex' ran to maybe 6-10 people in all in this country. To hear your guest talking of treating in the thousands is mind-blowing.

@fuddyduddyhorsemanship

7 ай бұрын

yes, and they will most likely be infertile and severely damaged with lots of health problems. At least this is what the detransitioners are saying

@oopster74

7 ай бұрын

So, as with the rest of the NHS, GID's was underfunded by successive governments.

@helenalovelock1030

7 ай бұрын

You are factually incorrect. Get your facts straight

@helenalovelock1030

7 ай бұрын

@@fuddyduddyhorsemanship. Detransitioners are less than 1%

@fuddyduddyhorsemanship

7 ай бұрын

@@helenalovelock1030I’m not sure how many people 1% is but I’ve seen a video of about 5 of them being interviewed. They were talking about their issues; interesting and it made me wonder why on earth they didn’t think about all the problems before they had these surgeries…

How the hell do you operate a clinic to administer puberty blockers( sterilization) and perform life altering surgeries and there seems to be no records? When a story doesn’t add up it means there is a massive cover up - heads need to roll and or jail time - this kind of experimentation occurred during WWll and we’re allowing a repeat?

@SuperKripke

7 ай бұрын

Puberty blockers are not sterilization and are the recommend therapy for precocious puberty. They were used in children as young as 8 but faced no objection because there was no fabricated controversy around it.

@liberality

7 ай бұрын

​@@SuperKripke You're spreading misinformation. The use of cancer medication such as Lupron in cases of precocious puberty remains controversial. It absolutely does lead to sterility if used long-term, as the reproductive system develops during puberty, of course. Some transgender people continue using Lupron into adulthood because they want the testosterone suppression it offers.

@luminous3558

7 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke Because puberty has a set amount of natural time where its meant to take place. If it starts too early you get too much changes too early which stunts you. If you block it when it actually should be taking place you are screwing with all kinds of natural processes not just related to bodily development but also brain and social identity. Also the medication isn't safe, its used on kids with precocious puberty because the alternative would be worse for the kid. On trans identified kids the alternative is that they might be an uglier man/woman if they still choose to transition once fully matured.

@SuperKripke

7 ай бұрын

@@luminous3558 You're really getting close to a eureka moment. I'm glad you've revised your position that puberty blockers are "sterilizing". When you reflect on the principle that you stated that treatments weigh the benefits against the side effects, you'll quickly realize that this applies not just to those with precocious puberty but to trans kids as well. Calling for an outright ban when experts are seeing positive results for trans children that outweigh the negative effects have real consequences for children.

@anonnymous4684

7 ай бұрын

Puberty blockers are NOT sterilisation so please stop spreading misinformation.

Utterly scandalous Thank you to Kathleen for speaking up so eloquently

Only trans adults should have access to this gender change surgery ,in private clinics Pais by themselves not the government. Neither should any school public or private, bring out this issue until the person's are adults. Leave the kids alone!!!

@radubradu

7 ай бұрын

​@@louisefarrell9322 you have failed your child, you let them get mutilated and sterilized. Good luck living with yourself.

@mortagon1451

7 ай бұрын

@@louisefarrell9322 I'm sorry for what your daughter is going through but performing a highly invasive, irreversible surgical procedure on a healthy body for a mental health issue is not treatment. It's malpractice.

@donner101

7 ай бұрын

@@louisefarrell9322 Does this include weight affirming bariatric surgery for anorexics?

@ambientjohnny

7 ай бұрын

@@louisefarrell9322 Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realising that their discomfort simply stems from not realising that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define. This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives). Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into. This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them.

@roleat

7 ай бұрын

​@@louisefarrell9322you are a hideous monster of a man.

No wonder records are not available...effectively prevents any future legal action!

@debbieshrubb1222

7 ай бұрын

Actually a health care institution is more likely to lose a legal case against them if documentation is inadequate. Lack of documentation even an incorrectly completed observation chart will result in the service having to pay compensation. I would say poor documentation is sadly not uncommon in the NHS and other health and social care providers.

People who promote 'affirmation' for kids know almost nothing about children and child development, mental illness and trauma. Adults are doing it for themselves, for whatever reason.

Great investigative work by Kathleen, fantastic discussion, wretched topic! Thank you both, we ALL need to be talking about this! Keep up the good work, UnHerd!

@realLsf

6 ай бұрын

Sorry, but what’s “wretched” about caring for young people? Are you affected by gender dysphoria or just another ill informed religious busy body?

This is terrifying for the nation as a whole! Women’s and children’s safe spaces are disappearing

Having had a number of non gender related surgeries myself, including upper and lower jaw reconstruction, one thing I know for sure: sensation in those areas NEVER COMES BACK! You are left with permanent numbness, like novocain just beginning to wear off. Anyone who has top or bottom surgery will lose all sensation in those areas, or 80% of it, minimally. Forget about ever enjoying sex again!

@celestiathomas

7 ай бұрын

That’s just not true

@HildaDeerfox

7 ай бұрын

This is the most important factor affecting these kids. More people need to talk about this. I’ve had breast implants can confirm this is the case. Much more often than not any forme of surgery severs nerves meaning no sensation left

@geraldbrooks8507

7 ай бұрын

@@celestiathomaswhat’s not true?

@anonnymous4684

7 ай бұрын

No, this isn't correct. Please stop spreading misinformation.

@GingerPeacenik

7 ай бұрын

@@anonnymous4684 you project.

It's the fruit of a very sick institutionalised society sadly

@balsarmy

7 ай бұрын

It is about some institutions. Every society has institutions. The question is about mistakes made

It's quack psychiatry.

@mortagon1451

7 ай бұрын

It has nothing to do with medicine. It's completely ideologically and economically driven.

@meganbaker9116

7 ай бұрын

“Quack psychiatry” is redundant.

@elisabethandersen1102

7 ай бұрын

All psychiatry is pseudoscience

Great video and respect to Kathleen for her bravery. As an NHS Employee, the day my trust mandates pronouns on email signatures I will oblige but my pronouns will comprise of unintelligible symbols or made up and unpronounceable words, which might keep changing, after all, they are my pronouns and I am entitled to have what I want apparently.

@KH-aug

7 ай бұрын

Excellent thought -- everyone should do this.

@janebennetto5655

7 ай бұрын

Great idea. Retired paediatric nurse (:- >). 🇬🇧

@macc3239

7 ай бұрын

Why would you do this? You don't have a pronoun, you have a sex. This is insane! It is a cult, nothing more

@barbarapierce5830

4 ай бұрын

How about 'It, that, those'?

@bod9193

Ай бұрын

Or you could just take them to court. It’s illegal to mandate pronouns.

Frontal lobotomy anyone?

I think Kathleens point about how this area of medicine is 'exceptionilsed' and mainly attracts trans activists should be raising the loudest alarm bells of all. That combined with false statistics being released by charities like Stonewall, Mermaids etc should be telling all of us who are concerned that this is a grave manipulation of parents into handing over their child to an unregulated and strident group of people who do not have the best interests of that child in mind. Disepowerment of parents, teachers, healthcare professionals etc will result in a whole generation of children being Frankensteined at the hands of child abusers.

@honeychurchgipsy6

3 ай бұрын

@sarahdyer1967 - the point about false stats is interesting because so many people use the idea that these kids will kill themselves if they aren't allowed to transition. Yesterday I read a worrying article (in of all places a local magazine that gets delivered to the door for free - Sussex something?), about the LGBGT charity Allsorts that seeks to provide talking/counselling to kids who are trans/gay etc. The article stated that they surveyed around 60 trans kids who said they had experienced bullying/transphobia and that all declared that ALL of their emotional issues were caused by this transphobia (they had a litany of mental health issues such as eating disorders, anxiety/depression as well as autism etc.). This is of course circular reasoning, and no info about the incidents they relate as transphobia were put forward. And this magazine will be read by many people who know nothing of this issue: it was in effect propaganda. But my real point is that we have self reporting by kids who have been told that even to question their identity, or accidentally call them by their birth name/gender pronoun, is transphobia. We then have them stating that, far from their gender problems being related to previously existing mental health issues, the health issues are caused by other people being mean to them.

I don't find it emotive. It's just ludicrous. Middle class Guardian readers gone mad. Would be funny but for the harm they've done

@iolo6933

7 ай бұрын

Follow "Pink News", the pied piper sponsoring all this for the purpose of keeping "Pink News" afloat as a business!

Why can't we accept that some young folk, boys and girls just act outside the rôles society expects ....... and that some of them will grow up and be gay ?

@macc3239

7 ай бұрын

The parents often don't want a gay child and would rather have a trans child and encourage it. They are ashamed of having a gay son or a lesbian daughter

@chelseapoet3664

7 ай бұрын

It's because Stonewall and similar organisations needed a reason to get funding once equal rights for gays arrived in the west that we are dealing with this nonsense. Criminals.

@Consequence

7 ай бұрын

Menno just did a wonderful review of where this treatment bloomed. Jackie Green's father was so relieved to have a daughter - better than a boy who acted as a girl. Who experiences dysphoria? 1. Everyone to a less severe degree 2. Same sex attracted 3. Autistic 4. Other diagnosed mental health disorders That should tell you how predatory the practice is.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

Like some young people are gay, some are transgender.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

@@macc3239 Gay people are so much more widely accepted and less contested in our society today than transgender people, are you mad?

Its a social contagion, im doing everything i can to protect my kids from this

@lesleyscott938

7 ай бұрын

What do you mean by contagion ?

@deborahwheatley1970

7 ай бұрын

@@lesleyscott938 look up the meaning of social contagion, some behaviours and ideas have become so normalised that people don't see a problem in them but if u take a step back and really look you will realise what is happening. I mean a gender clinic for CHILDREN. Its a mental health clinic that is needed.

It's like an absurd play on a time past when the medical establishment would pay grave robbers for corpses to dissect and a bit of Victor Frankenstein thrown in except shockingly these are living children 😢

@Nous520

7 ай бұрын

Perfectly said

@macc3239

7 ай бұрын

Very true. Horrendous

@honeychurchgipsy6

3 ай бұрын

@clodaghread5655 - no it's not. Grave robbery was necessary because - due to religious notions about the soul - physicians were not allowed to use dead bodies to do their research. This ridiculous law held back medical science for centuries. And Frankenstein is about overcoming mortality.

In around 80% of children puberty itself rightens the feelings of gender incongruence so blocking this for all seems counterintuitive. Much much more research needs to be done.

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

6 ай бұрын

No just common sense - leave the children ALONE!

The Conservative party have recently vowed to stop the Trans ideological language being used by the NHS. I'm yet to be convinced they can do this.

I'm a British Clinical Psychologist working in CAMHS. I'm VERY concerned about the misdiagnosis of gender 'incongruence' (or dyspohoria) when children: a) are traumatised having been abused or chronically neglected, b) have complex trauma / attachment disorder, c) are on the autistic spectrum, d) are gay or confused in their sexual preferences, or e) are simply confused about their identity in an increasingly confusing culture. The approach here should be psycho-social and consider the underlying causes of one's gender confusion/dysphoria/etc., considering in particular the role in aetiology of trauma and neurodivergence. Put simply, we're doing our children a disservice by jumping to simple conclusions about gender and failing to formulate (i.e. consider all factors) when trying to understand what's going on for these children. We need this kind of honest discourse about what's going on for individual children (in terms of their experiences), cohorts of children (in terms of social contagion), and society in general (in terms of homophobia meaning being trans might be somehow mlre acceptable, sexism in terms of a girl wishing they bad a boy's life, and so on). The trans activism movement has something important to say about trans rights and shouldn't be silenced. But their subjective experience shouldn't be considered a valid substitute for rational, empirical, compassionate but objective treatment of the situation: most children identifying as trans are simply confused, and that fact should underpin all analysis of the issue. Well meaning or passionate does not necessarily mean right.

@muzi2672

6 ай бұрын

P.S. please don't let the typos there distract you... my app won't let me edit!

@willsmith39

3 ай бұрын

I'm not sure I'd use the word "confused". I think it's that many are simply gay/lesbian. Others are on the spectrum as it seems many children with autism or abergers have issues around their gender identity. Then there are young girls in particular understandbly uncomfortable with sudden male attention. There are so many things that can lead you to have questions of issues around your gender identity as a young person and dysphoria - while very important obviously - is only one of them. And yet it seems increasingly that trying to get to the bottom of what's genuinely going on is itself potentially bigoted and discriminatory. Only a decade ago it was called 'gender confirmation' . Now that term itself has been branded deeply transphobic, hence gender affirmation. And unfortunately the difference between the two in practice is much more than just semantics as trans clinic whistleblowers, amongst others have testified.

Those who pushed these "treatments" should be sued and made to face unhappy detransitioners who feel their lives have been ruined.

I don't want to go along with the they/them pronoun bs but I could lose my job if I don't conform. It's totally inate that we sense the difference and evolution depended on our ability to sense it. I have tried with limited success to use they/them on a colleague who stands there talking talking about their period who so obviously is a female despite top surgery.

@GingerPeacenik

7 ай бұрын

I refuse to address anyone as a plural of anything unless they have multiple personality disorder. Why not come up with something new? It's mostly Gen Z, so maybe "Zhay/ Zhem"? If someone says "oh, they just phoned and they'll be a bit late.." I still expect to see two or more -expletive, not just one. It's nonsensical.

@jamessmith99731

7 ай бұрын

Why not use name instead of pronouns?

@roleat

7 ай бұрын

Tell them not to mention their period at work. Report it to HR. Let her deal with the consequences.

@benjaminollis7621

7 ай бұрын

I refused to go for a job interview when the email offer I received had pronouns in it

@helenmurray6786

7 ай бұрын

invent your own absurd pronouns like jus/jey and your organisation would have to go along with it and look ridiculous in doing so.

These kids should be told, ‘stop listening to stuff on line’, that’s what’s driving this nonsense.

It's like a nightmare we can't wake up from.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

You could just go outside, watch the birds, say hello to passers-by

@user-dx1jb4zq9e

6 ай бұрын

@@roseparade_ I'm sure this is how it works in your parents' prohibitively expensive suburb.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

@@user-dx1jb4zq9e These people are on your device, not in your home. Concern yourself with something more positive, or more helpful to people.

The harshest damage of the blockers is when they are the spring board to hormones. This combination becomes devastating, unless you think a child sized micro penis sets a child up for the future

@honeychurchgipsy6

3 ай бұрын

@markrussell3428 - I'm not anti trans but don't think children have the capacity to make such life changing decisions. Of course the pro trans activists will come back at me and say it is the professionals who are making the decisions. But when these professionals are not allowed to dissent from a trans ideology that promotes immediate transitioning, not allowed to provide talking therapy, or prescribe a wait and see approach, we have to doubt that any due care or diligence is being done for these vulnerable kids.

I think many people thought Cass had cleaned up gender services & activists were no longer running the show as it were. But, then, when one sees & hears how the trans issue is dealt with in popular culture, say Hallie, an 18 yr old trans identified man, on the new reboot of the show "Big Brother" on ITV, you definitely get the message that the affirmation model is standard, that a trans woman IS a woman, & that alternative views will not be tolerated.

@shooster5884

7 ай бұрын

The fact that they are called 'trans' women automatically explains that they are not women...

@Mudskipper_is_me

6 ай бұрын

how did people think Cass ''cleaned up gender''?? I read it and the biggest complaint to be rectified was that they only had one clinic that could not keep up with all the fake demand..... it suggested new clinicS to do affirmation... i think someone with wishful thinking read and reacted to it - - but really, no one should have cheered that report, it was a disaster for young people. no child wants to go through puberty and now they are being told that equals trans or some other made up word. this medical standard of ''if you really really feel like you are'' is ridiculous

@mc.8391

3 ай бұрын

@@shooster5884 Why should the word "woman" be used at all when describing a man that doesnt like or accept his own sex... it is not a default word is it......

@shooster5884

3 ай бұрын

No matter how anyone might ' imagine' what it feels like to be and live as the opposite sex one cannot know and taking hormones and mutilating one's body won't change that.

I keep hearing people say that the pendulum is starting to swing the other way on all this bs, but then I keep seeing more things that contradict that sentiment. I'm so tired of hearing about new trans/gender insanity every day, and every time it seems it may be slowing down, some other insane shit happens. I just want it all to end already!

@christopherkucia1071

7 ай бұрын

It’s just getting more and more radical at the extremes

@christopherkucia1071

7 ай бұрын

Pro trans will demand 5 year olds have surgery and have sex with adults meanwhile the other side will go to imprisonment, making trans care illegal and being trans as illegal. Im more so on the last side but it’s just ridiculous. It’s going to push and push until one side breaks and wins out. I just hope REASON wins out.

I literally cannot imagine listening to this highly respectful and educated person and twisting it into bigotry. It's beyond me.

@Consequence

7 ай бұрын

If you are counter narrative you are a labelled a bigot so other cult members don't bother listening to you (and risking being informed).

Let the waiting list get longer and longer and longer Quite a few will drop out.

There are lots of confused youngsters because adults are confusing them. I was a teenager in the 70s. No one, but no one, but absolutely no one, and I mean no one was confused about their so-called gender. And I really mean no one.

@chelseapoet3664

7 ай бұрын

A few people were. It's well documented.

@berserkerbard

7 ай бұрын

@@chelseapoet3664 it was definitely more about biological sex than ‘gender’ back then. Transsexuals were a thing way before people started identifying as transgender and then it was a tiny minority.

@vaska1999

6 ай бұрын

​@@chelseapoet3664 No, not "a few". Exceedingly few.

In the 80s I was in art college. Aged 16-18. Many students became gay or bi over night. It was trendy. They were gay for less than a year. Today they’d be Trans. Because they want attention.

@skumflum3768

7 ай бұрын

Of course it’s a social contagion…. As a depressed teenager, you have the potential to evolve from feeling like an outcast to becoming someone uniquely special and interesting.

I'm 63. Is it too late to get my transition to t-rex going?

@maryrose4712

7 ай бұрын

Go for it steven, probably a crazy doctor somewhere willing to take you on for the right price.

@geraldbrooks8507

7 ай бұрын

Trans dinos are dinos 🦖🦖🦖

@daheikkinen

7 ай бұрын

That would make you a transrexual

@tokyosundeiru2006

6 ай бұрын

Your lucky, I always wanted to be Long John Silver. Anyone know where I can get a peg leg?

Kid: I've got cancer Doctor: oh, ok

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

Cancer has nothing to do with identity. A kid telling their doctor that they are gay is a better comparison.

@honeychurchgipsy6

3 ай бұрын

@@roseparade_ except being gay doesn't entail life changing treatments that might lead to being non orgasmic or sterile/at greater risk of heart disease etc. If a child tries on a gay identity but later finds they were wrong and fancy the opposite sex - or both sexes - nothing has been lost. I advocate for a supportive but not affirming model: allow the child to dress as they wish, change names etc. but don't keep praising them for being trans or affirming that they are right and so wonderful because they are trans. Encourage the idea that gender roles are not defining or limiting: a boy can like dresses, a girl can like tractors and cars. A man can be a nurse or a carer, a woman can be a car mechanic or an engineer. Try to address their fears about growing up/puberty and assist them to access therapy if they suffer from mental health issues. Then, when the child is an adult and can make their own decisions, if they still feel they are trans, they can have all the surgery and hormone treatment they desire.

@roseparade_

3 ай бұрын

@@honeychurchgipsy6 No, people absolutely used perceived physical risks, like HIV/AIDS, as justification for trying to steer children away from homosexuality. You’re using section 28 language in your proposal, and section 28 was not the answer to deaths from AIDS related complications.

that chart at 2:25 really is astounding. That should make everyone with a functioning brain pause and ask what is happening to cause such a sudden increase in this mental illness. If you superimposed that chart on another chart of teenage anxiety, depression, suicidality and a chart of iPhones and social media, you would find a similar growth. I'm not saying they are a cause, but they are correlated.

Thank you for delving into this -- let us rise above the ideology and funding as 80% or more or those left alone do grow out of this by reaching their early twenties

@quercus8833

6 ай бұрын

..their lives ruined..

At present it is IMPOSSIBLE to stop mass hysteria in the usual historical way, which used to be by (1) identifying a social contagion and (2) separating the children/young adults/others from each other and (3) the harm died out as the participants lost interest. TikTok, Reddit, Tumblr, Discord and Facebook are to blame for spreading this terrible social contagion.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

You are speaking about human beings.. Their sense of self is not something to be wiped out. Do you feel this way about gay people too?

Dr Christine Mimnagh is male. What a shocker......🙄

What I don’t understand is how any qualified medical professional subscribes to ‘affirmation’ methodology. If you have any training in counselling or psychotherapy the core principles are that you are not to offer an opinion, advise or influence anyone under your care. You are there to facilitate self reflection, healing and understanding.

Stop the insanity

The supply pipeline is in our schools, and in the level of funding provided to trans activist not for profits. Government has dropped the ball and failed to grasp what these organisations are attempting to achieve.

It's uncanny that we now need the golden standard of trials in order to even think about giving children puberty blockers - "we don't know much about them" - when before they were handed out like candy on Mardi Gras. Whatever happened, did we suddenly start giving a f**k?

@jennybaboolal4777

7 ай бұрын

When people became aware, largely through a general social awareness raised by gender critical bloggers, whistleblowers and people putting their heads above the parapet eg J K Rowling.

@JD-xd4sy

6 ай бұрын

@@jennybaboolal4777 Well bless people like Rowling and Helen Joyce, it's so important for society to have brave women like that.

The message that you can destroy kids' lives and still keep your NHS post is extraordinarily destructive and sinister.

Girls are bullied as well, and are often physically weaker than others, they are criticised, nagged and punished for not looking as they 'ought' to look. They also have sexism to fight against - much better than formerly, but still in existence. My careers advice, at age 17, for example, was, 'You'll get married anyway. There's the door'. My mother, who was quite a lot older than me, so worked several decades before me, when she left work to marry my father, learned that the man who stepped into her job was to be paid *precisely four times* what she had been paid.

@wd41

7 ай бұрын

It's a higher percentage of girls because they are more gullible. Like you believed your mum was just as good as someone who they paid 4 times as much.

@user-dx1jb4zq9e

7 ай бұрын

The data shows that married men out earn women *and unmarried men.* What do you think that means? Try to work it out for yourself.

@vaska1999

6 ай бұрын

​@@user-dx1jb4zq9eWork out what? Most married men are older than unmarried men, have more work experience and are further along in their careers -- hence the difference in earnings. Absolutely irrelevant to the fact that the man who replaced this person's mother got a salary 4 times hers!

The sad fact of the matter is that your country allowed this to happen at all is astonishing in and of itself. What does it say about you as a society?

@chelseapoet3664

7 ай бұрын

What country are you in? If the world doesn't wake up this can happen almost anywhere.

@rubytimms3932

7 ай бұрын

It is happening everywhere.

If there really is such an increase in gender dysphoria what research is being done on endocrine disruptors? Surgery for what may well be caused from exposure to toxins in the environment seems questionable at least.

The first trans clinics were founded in Berlin in the 1920s.

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

@@joedge6142 An individual clinic's clientele does not speak to the existence or non existence of transgender men. There was a jazz musician who began presenting as a man in the 1930s, Billy Tipton. People (not including his wife) only discovered that he was transgender after his death. Jackie Kay wrote a novel loosely based on his life.

So important, Prof. Stock's emphasis on the still developmentally immature status of 17-25 year-olds as re: transing procedures. So many talking heads who say they want to protect children but are fine with a completely laissez-faire approach for adults seem to place adulthood at 18+. The thinking, to the extent it exists, is just so ignorant, lazy, cowardly. Are none of these ppl parents, or do they not remember what they were like at college-age and for some time after, as compared to their later 20's and 30's? Of course, all these 'treatments' are barbaric and *should* be illegal, period.

At 35m they have not yet mentioned the surgical removal of breast or the surgical removal of penis - which is commonly used as a treatment following the puberty blockers.

No person under the age of 18 years of age should be given puberty blockers.

We need to stop clinicians who endorsed an affirmation approach at GIDS, from finding another venue to continue treating gender incongruent youth without bothering to explore other avenues than instant affirmation.

What happened to the supposed 1000 court cases against Tavistock?

The media, the politicians and the public - everyone in fact - is out of their depth on this. And that is a rational response to something which we know very little about. The problem is that they are faced with a very strong and powerful lobby who think they are absolutely right. As a result they are being treated as experts and anyone who wants to take a measured approach is slammed as being anti- trans. What should be an issue for psychologists and psychiatrists is being treated a civil rights issue.

@poultryfaarm

7 ай бұрын

It was a psychiatrist who started this. Dr John Money, who lied about his work having positive outcomes and abused twin boys in his care. This whole thing is caused by institutional narcissism being unable to acknowledge a mistake and instead trying to bury it with the bodies of thousands more victims. The managers of trusts and governing bodies are often not clinicians but defer to them.

"gender incongruence" instead of dysphoria eh? LOL They invented another euphemism to facilitate the diffusion of THE MESSAGE...damn they are good at this game! :DDD

@roseparade_

6 ай бұрын

"depression and anxiety" instead of female hysteria eh? LOL They invented another euphemism to facilitate the diffusion of THE MESSAGE...damn they are good at this game! :DDD "down's syndrome" instead of mongolism eh? LOL They invented another euphemism to facilitate the diffusion of THE MESSAGE...damn they are good at this game! :DDD "autism" instead of mental retardation eh? LOL They invented another euphemism to facilitate the diffusion of THE MESSAGE...damn they are good at this game! :DDD

How do we get these new hubs shut down??! Seems like it can only come from government.

A captured institition remains captured. Outrageous corruption.

If southern services are paused, and the kids are not receiving care for other comorbidities then they may slide post 17 directly in to adult services with self-diagnosis and almost immediate drug access

For there to be that many young people on the waiting list, there has to be some mental contagion going on and/or copy cat behaviour, plus the fact that there are VERY BUSY Trans Activists pushing this idea! Please protect the children!

How endocrinologists can continue being involved when the use of puberty blockers has been stopped unless part of a CTIMP is baffling. Endocrinologists would simply be dosing children with synthetic hormones. Why is administering synthetic hormones any less unfounded and risky as a treatment than so called puberty blockers?

Kathleen Stock 💕

So in effect, closing the Tavistock is like chopping off a hydra head -- two more grow back in its place. The only answer to this medical scandal is to legislate against all trans medical treatment. for minors and for young people up to the age of 25 (the age at which the brain is fully mature).

Chop off your bits, eat the bugs, save the climate.🤪

@thegeneralist7527

7 ай бұрын

Real "therapeutic intentions" to be forced on people, especially considering they are neither needed nor desirable.

@maryrose4712

7 ай бұрын

Summed it up succinctly.

@careyjamesmajeski3203

7 ай бұрын

don't forget to get your six covid jabs!

The interviewer needs to button up her blouse somewhat.

@geraldbrooks8507

7 ай бұрын

She doesn’t want male viewers to get bored.

While I am in no way intending to undermine the importance of this discussion, I would like to humbly request - and this might just be a dumb yank thing -that we start to pronounce "GIDS" with a hard "g" at the beginning. Or perhaps try to emphasize the "d" sound a bit more. The less mature of us are having trouble focusing on the real issue at hand.

@TheKentGent

7 ай бұрын

The G stands for gender. If it stood for gateway, it would be different. That's my guess, but it is odd sounding, I agree.

@schyllic

7 ай бұрын

It sounds like a word similar to jazz, but with an i

@TheKentGent

7 ай бұрын

​@@schyllic Well... now that you mention it. But, did you really have to? Now it's what I hear thanks to you. 😂

Excellent

This is the definition of madness

Is the Navajo Nation (a sacred Native people’s of southwest United States) aware that the Merceyside and Cheshire organization is using their name to represent their cause? I saw nothing on their website to acknowledge them and no acronym to justify their name. I hope someone chimes in on this. While many indigenous Americans embrace two spirit people, it seems unfair to indiscriminately utilize the name of any tribe with expressed permission to do so.

Thank you.

These doctors..... I have no words that can be published

Hi, guys! Longtime watcher here. On Nov 19, 2023, Portland Oregon Antifa/gender protestors pepper sprayed and violently attacked me and a group of women who were trying to peacefully read speeches, most unrelated to the gender issue. Four of us ended up in the hospital. Prior to the event, the group stalked us at our rental, slashing our tires and infiltrating a private phone conversation. I would love it if you could have me on to talk more about the event.

I just dont understand the rush to medicate our children. If a trans woman never develops their biological sex organs, bottom surgery is out of the question and can lead to life long complications, immediately putting trans men on testosterone and permanently alter their vocal chords and top surgery done too early can lead to a lifetime of dysphoria if they grow out of it. Im all for adults having free reign to do whith their body as they choose, but minors should not be given medications that have permanent affects. Socially transitioning and mental health help is a safe way to live as who you feel and really solidify decisions that can be made in adulthood.

Leave the kids alone

The problem is we are too free in this country.

I would suggest that the exponential rise in the number of cases of gender dysphoria, could be linked to the same exponential rise in social media. Yes lot of kids are suffering mental anguish of one kind and another, and I don't profess to have any solutions, but I certainly think that a hell of a lot of these new "Services" and "specialists" in this area are going to make a vast amount of MONEY out of all the misery. God bless the British tax payer.

How can we help healthcare providers start caring more about their patients than about being labeled transphobic?

Excellent explanation, thank you.

Early this century I was living in Hampstead, close to the Tavistock Clinic, when they upgraded their computers. The old computers were dumped in the yard ... and I was given permission to take anything I wanted. All the hard drives in the computers had had their circuit boards cut. There was, however, an unused hard drive with its circuit board intact. I was able to use this circuit board to access EVERYTHING on ALL the hard drives. This included programs used to investigate children's sexuality. I found myself confronted with what came across to me as something akin to "witchcraft". I no longer have this record of the sum total of the Tavistock's activities up until the year 2000 ... which included patients' records, communications between world famous psychiatrists, the unpleasant side effects of medications, etc., etc. I doubt if there has ever been anyone else who has had access to the totality of psychiatric information that I found on these hard drives.

@sobraine123

7 ай бұрын

Hope you made sure this information is now in the right hands !

@Nous520

7 ай бұрын

What happened to it?

@syddog44

7 ай бұрын

Trust me bro

@sookibeulah9331

7 ай бұрын

What happened to the info you found. Were you able to pass it onto anyone.

@JB.zero.zero.1

7 ай бұрын

Sadly meaningless. Without evidence, this post says nothing about anything in particular. Anyone of us could make similar claims.

What a massive conflict of interest to work for gids where there are big waiting lists and at the same time providing a private service - conflict being that you can increase demand for your private service by frustrating efficiency in gids and increasing waiting lists - albeit i don't agree with gids or affirmation approach in any case.

very interesting, thank you.

Sex and gender are a social construct - Judith Butler

@skumflum3768

7 ай бұрын

If gender is perceived as a social construct, why is there a requirement for hormones? It seems that adherents of social constructionist perspectives may not pay much heed to internal inconsistencies.

It is not organic how much this subject is in the news and taught in schools Is there an industry of bio medical funding this?

Yes Dr. stock. You must suspend your disbelief in every way when you consider the ideology. Suspend our knowledge about: the development/ ability to consent for children, medicine and reducing harm, psychology and treating distress/ suicidality, the flexibility of personality and expression. You must ignore everything you knew to make this cult make sense.

One wonders: what percentage of these children would have no gender confusion if they’d been born to different parents?

thanks for the update

Why is LG.. attached to the rest of the letters? None of my LG friends took hormone blockers, or had surgery.. never mentioned needing either.. or changing their names or pronouns..

There is an equivalent where medical /surgical intervention is used for arguably psychological distress or body image issues : cosmetic interventions eg plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures.

@debbieshrubb1222

7 ай бұрын

@@L_Martin I'm talking generally about the rise in plastics procedures in both private and NHS services. There is little concern for poor pre procedure counselling in many services.

@debbieshrubb1222

7 ай бұрын

@@L_Martin we can't be sure gender dysphoria is a purely mental health issue. Understanding of sex and gender and how it is impacted by biology is evolving. Being dismissive by the way, of apparently healthy people pursing multiple plastics procedures seems to me to be saying its OK for one group of people to be exploited but not another.