I always like styles sharing techniques and becoming better because of it. Im a judoka and always laugh when keyboard bjj or mma "experts" say judo has no ground game to offer. But the Bjj guys who come to judo class in person are always hungry humble and eager to learn and share their techniques as well. All this Judo vs BJJ is from dudes who have never done it or have been doing it for a couple of months.

@BloodofPatriots

8 жыл бұрын

+vindicatedafi My favorite is when they accept being thrown so easily just to get to their ground game. One day I pulled up the mat and stood on the tile floor and said, "Okay, let's go." The BJJ'er wanted no part of that. Smart move on his part since my coach was one of the few that let us use kawazu gake in randori and I was itching to use it on the BBJ'er. LOL

@soundtreks

6 жыл бұрын

Nailed it

@georgesakopoulos8110

4 жыл бұрын

@Steelmonger888 Very bad comment! 1. That was a very bad mma fight, no kick boxing technique from both of them, 2. Yoshida didn't dominate, just tried to be as stiff as he could be ( like a rock), 3. Since then, bjj has really evolved, while judo hasn't, so please check Lachlan Giles or Gordon Ryan's matches. I m sure you ll be amazed of the totally excellent control in leg locks 4. Very bad control of Royce, although Yoshida didn't do any other technique than the iezekiel in the end and a very clumsy leg lock

@wsl3119

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgesakopoulos8110 yes and humans haven’t ran the 100 m as fast as they do today. What’s your point?

@eamonob84

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Every grappling style is great and has a lot of good stuff to offer.

Seriously Stephan, your videos are the best I have ever seen. It's full of detail that we are not used of seeing on youtube. Even videos that you buy you don't see as much detail as compared to most of your videos. Thank you very much.

This is one of my favourite videos detailing Sangaku. Mike is so good at breaking down the little details. This technique and its variants so handy to attack the turtle. I came from a karate background where turtling meant getting your head kicked in. Now doing Judo, attacking turtle frustrated me to no end. Thanks guys!

Love your channel! I’ve been doing BJJ for about 2 years now, and am still a humble white belt. We have a totally awesome school with the best leaders ever! This attack on turtle really excited me; I’ve learnt quite a few techniques for attacking turtle position, but never this one… thank you so much for this technique. I’ll be sure to give it a go tonight (or sometime soon).

Stephan and Mike, nice seeing you guys in "same place". Almost like the old days at UBC!

This looks great, right up my alley. Definitely giving it a go next class!

I geek out every time I see someone use a wristlock. They're so rare.

thank you im a beginer in judo over in puerto rico and my sensei taught this to me but i didnt quite get it i really understood it now thank you its really going to help everyone turtles in judo and if you could do another judo video to show what to do when they flatten their bodies in the mat while tucking their elbows and holding there collars in tight plz id be really gratefull and AWESOME VIDEOS keep up the good work

Great video, the sankaku jime was on point. I'm a judoka but recently started doing BJJ and yesterday in nogi i did the sankaku jime to attack my partner that was in the turtle. And he didn't expect it at all. It's something so common in Judo that everyone knows it, so I didn't think it would catch anyone of guard in BJJ. I was surprised and it'll definitely be my go to attack against the turtle in BJJ from now. That and a rolling okuri eri jime if I'm able to get a grip on the lapel.

@1946FreddieMercury

6 жыл бұрын

User Name Good luck to you too! A BJJ background will definitely help you a lot in judo. Not just on the ground but standing as well in terms of balance and controlling people with the gi.

What is that move called in Judo? When you jam your knee into the shoulder and pry his arm out with your leg.

Awesome. About to start taking Judo just to have that much more up my sleeve in competition and this video had some perfect timing. I'm as motivated as ever. Also that Origin gi looked comfortable as hell. I'd wear them as pajamas. What model is it?

Stephen it would be gr8 if you show us how to get red of these graps

hey stephan, would that roll you showed work or be a smart idea if your opponent has the seatbelt grip to begin with?

Also like the turtle turn over into armbar which is Ronda Rousey's signature move.

Muito bom!!! Essas técnicas, com toda a certeza, podem ser usadas no Judô!!!

That's pretty cool! Who is the guy in the White gi?

@Stephan: Sir, I've seen Saulo Ribera demo a way to do turtle in one of his books. That said...what if your turtle position was more tighter (elbows tucked inside your legs and your chin tucked with your hands crossed protecting your neck)? Could this be why one would then just start striking the opponent in turtle position? Otherwise how would the Judo technique apply to a turtle that tight? You/or your training partners thoughts when you get a moment, please.

Useful technique, even 10 years after this video was published :)

would you suggest to do that judo technique in no gi?

Great!! I think this is the only video on youtube going through this matter. Thanks a lot!

This will work so well in MMA too because that knee near the head is probably gonna cause your opponent to wrap up on that leg and rive which is just gonna play right into your plan. So excellent.

Fantastic Option-both. . Never thought about the traingle coming underneath.

usually when my opponent turtles, i go for a crucifix, or when we're facing opposite ways i grab them around the waist and do a death roll or 2 and that seems to disorient them enough for me to either spin and get my hooks in to take the back or it allows me to grab numerous gi chokes or an arm-in guillotine or even a reverse full nelson transition to an omoplata/shoulder lock

I've done this in no-gi a number of times. Issues: It's harder to roll them over, but you can do it. It's also a lot harder to finish because it's difficult to control the arm not trapped in your triangle.

Stephan Kesting is the best at breaking down techniques.

I used this in class today. Abosutely love it, Thank Ya

bjj is focus on newaza (grappling basically) Judo is grappling and stand up ( nage waza) both, there is competitive judo and combat judo. I think everyone knows the story of Mitsuya Maeda but none the less it is absolutely incredible how Brazilian jiujitsu has evolved on its own basically taking and modifying techniques from various art form into their own style of Newaza. One thing I hate to say is that BJJ player remind me of Kyokushin karate dudes of late 70's n 80's I hope they relax.

judos former names was kano ryu jiujitsu. so when the graceis and the other families in brazil learned it; it had not changed its name to judo so the called it gracie jiu jitsu then brazilian jiujitsu

Also from bottom turtle Ude hishigi waki gatami .when the opponent is on top facing north south and your in turtle . Hook the arm from the bottom, sit out and preform an armpit lock . I use it all the time Gi and Nogi. Especially from a failed double leg.

Learn to use this as control first cause it's hard to lock up the triangle/head arm choke. The arm finishes are golden though. I am a Judoka but we do plenty of JJ/Newaza. I love a rolling collar choke but this is good stuff. This is extremely effective in no-gi as well.

Problem is not many bjj guys go to turtle. Been hard transition for me from judo to bjj. I always give my back and defend real well. But feels like not progressing. Always defending. Any tips.

excellent! I was rolling last night and this will give me something new to try!

BJJ (Brasilian Jiu Jitsu) is modified Judo. The groundwork is greatly modified. Judo is modified Jiu Jitsu. Add Budo(Art of killing) to Judo and it becomes Jiu Jitsu. Judo groundwork has been greatly modified into two main(or rather famous) martial arts. BJJ and SamBO. Try Wikipedia for further information. It's always the most reliable source for almost anything including such things.

I'm still working on this one! Great video!!!!

Hey Stephen, What's stopping you from driving in to Mike after he brings the knee into your shoulder? Looks like you could maybe tri pod and drive in to take him over or something along those lines to go from turtle to top position?

@Hernantolio

10 жыл бұрын

you would get too exposed i think

@machinegunpreacher2469

10 жыл бұрын

He doesn't show it full speed in this video. At full pace both legs are put into position at the same time. He's only breaking it down here. Yes there is a small chance of a single-leg if you don't get control of his right arm but there are always counters and counters to counters and counters to those counters; counters and counter-counters are like Pi in mathematics, never-ending. Done correctly you shouldn't have much trouble with the single-leg threat. Even if he shoots on it your (in this example) right leg should still be hooking his left arm so the hold should still be reasonably secure.

@cunn1n6ham

6 жыл бұрын

Speed...surprise, I invite folks to go to turtle so I can practice this technique...love it :-) thanks stephen

I suppose you would protect against getting single-legged by keeping that knee bent in and keeping control of his arm?

i dont really particularly like BJJ, as i believe its one half of the puzzle, but stephan, you have some good ideas and techniques. very enjoyable!

This is a good technique to attack someone who holds the turtle position for more than a few seconds; that means this technique will only be effective against judoka who are the only ones who believe the turtle position is an effective martial arts position. Outside of judo, the only BJJ players who would allow someone to do this primarily judo tournament attack will either be white belts or those that pretty much suck - a lot.

Very nice job.

Dislikers are Kiai Masters.

@ductrinh8082

4 жыл бұрын

ki -ai ----- from tkd with love :))

It's actually even easier when the person in the turtle position tries to single leg you.

awesome reverse triangle I'm going to use this move!!

It is. Look at any judo from the 90s and you'll see most of their time is spent on the ground. They changed to competition rules in the early 2000s to limit ground time in attempts to make Olympic TV ratings higher by encouraging more large throws. 'Old school' judo is 50/50 on the ground and most matched ended with a pin or submission. Even today... its a lot more than a little.

It doesn't matter. Either will give you similar levels of standing and ground until you get really skilled. After three to five years you'll see an edge in judo standing and BJJ on the ground. Even that is iffy -- especially if you are focusing time on another martial art. I like in Judo that the throws are powerful enough to stun or injure an opponent while remain standing -- you can disengage or strike. BJJ are more take downs committing yourself to the ground. Yet BJJ is tops in MMA.

This was really nice. Hope i will remember how to do it on next training =D

Really good video. Thanks.

Absolutely incredible

Is this standard judo stuff? because I'm liking this this is what i am looking for besides that olympic judo stuff that i don't like because they don't do any ground work just throws and get up even if the throw is sloppy.

@kapserdeleewu

9 жыл бұрын

foxybrown2 It is, yea

@BloodofPatriots

8 жыл бұрын

+foxybrown2 Anyone who turtled on my got a rolling kataha jime that damn near caused their eyes to pop out of their head when I used all of that torque to rip their gi's across their necks.

Tried this out today! got it on my third roll!

thanks! keep the tips coming!

They are supposed to be different. The Gracie who learned Judo greatly modified the Nae Waza. That's where the art of BJJ comes from. Anyways, that's just Fight Quest and Human Weapon. I don't know much about all this as I have never been in any form of grappling art. All the martial arts I have done are standup arts. But, I'm interested in grappling arts and want to learn them as well.

It's not interchangeable at all that's the only flaw in that paragraph. One is ground, one is standing.BJJ has a LITTLE stand up, and Judo has a LITTLE ground. Other than that and the fact that BJJ uses like, one throw from Judo, they are totally different.

I raised my hand, when he asked who has seen this....

CSW, good shirt

Does the turtle counter work as well no gi ??

@minhquando100

8 жыл бұрын

it works beautifully in no gi. in case you didn't notice, the most important part of the technique, the turnover and the tie ups, none of it required any use of the gi.

@TheMasterPhil

8 жыл бұрын

+chris paschalidis Yes it does. The two rolls (as they are called in wrestling) are basic wrestling moves. I'm glad to see them being used in Jiu Jitsu. I like the the Judo moves, again (as stated) very common in Judo.

The first roll from turtle was done wrong. He lowered the wrong leg after pinning the arm. You lower the leg that is on the same side that you are pinning because that lowers your center of gravity in the direction you want to roll in. So in the vid he traps with his left arm but drops his right leg......... no.

That gi is awesome!

Judo 101: control the shoulder = control the whole body.

I LOVE this so much! i am gonna add to my repoitore

I don't know why everyone argues judo vs bjj. shit, i'm a bjj white belt and I see grappling as grappling no matter what. besides, jiu jitsu is like an interchangeable term for what judo and stuff was. the arts aren't enemies! it's like saying Colorado is better than California, we're both from the United States.

This was amazing! Ouss!

I suggest Judo. It would transition better with your Karate if you can stay off the ground longer, give you more options.

Good turtlllllllle work.

never seen that one before...very informative

@maitrekano

6 жыл бұрын

bead and butter for judokas

They already look like pajamas :)

Why not just cruficix roll?

why 2 dislikes??.nice video cheers.

If the choke don't wok you could roll into a hold down.

4:20 em diante - pulo do gato da posição

MMA means mixed martial arts, it includes wrestling in its mix :P

Shit that lightining made me shit

this is great

His arm isn't under his neck so that can't possibly be choking him.

@anonoumos

5 жыл бұрын

sane as head and arm choke, its pressure on his carotid

this is a good technique!

well said...well said! interchanging the arts makes the 1D martial artist a 3D martial artist....folks need to read about bruce lee's martial arts philosophy.....if folks could just take a minute to top squabblin about silly & unpractical jib jab; they will see that many practioners have been enlightened and are turning to & adapting his way of thinking.

This is good for wrestling im gonna work on it

Men that's very technical shit.

Yoshida>Gracie nuff said

Akiyama... Wait, 1-4 in UFC, never mind.

Fedor.... Now you need to think about how many Judokas are in the UFC? Almost zero. Judoka (olympics) internationally do not show up in MMA (but it's more than what UFC has as a main organization) because of their country support them, such as Russia (VERY big supporter) or France or Korea.

how is Judo? it's Beautiful & Dangerous.

Bjj is a part from judo

BJJ is judo. I am not sure why it is called BJJ. Maybe just JJ would be more fitting.

Mitsuya Maeda 'extracted' Judo from Jiu Jitsu by removing the Budo from it. He then taught it to Gracie in Brasil. That's when Gracie modified the Nae Waza and Brasillian Jiu Jitsu was born. Otherwise, the early Judo also had strikes involved. They are not taught now a days as they are illegal in the sport form and most Judo clubs are sports oriented.

WAUW!

but effective.

Well Akiyama and Omigawa are bad examples (even though akiyama FINALLY display some nice judo against shields.), those are the judokas who likes to box it out even though their strong point are in grappling, this is the reason why fighters loose.... Maybe Manny Gam. is a better one. :)

It is pretty stupid to ask a judo guy how to attack from turtle position. Because in judo if you end up in turtle position you just lay there and protect your neck until the referee stand you up.

@davidm2843

9 жыл бұрын

mohaastella unless you are up against someone thats been drilling their turtle attacks, then you lose.

@maitrekano

6 жыл бұрын

no , if you are activ the referee let you do your ground work as long as there is a purpose and you know what you want to do . new rules 2017 ,more ground judo .

@maitrekano

6 жыл бұрын

for about 6 years ago you had alot of ground game in a fight . they change the rules 2013 and took away leg grapps , if you grabb the leg for a singel or doubble take down like morote gari you be disqualified , its a shame because judo has many leg graps techniques . 2017 they change the rules again about penalities and they took away the yuko , a low point .... but allowed more ground fight unless there is no action ,then the referee makes you stand upp . some techniques are banned in competition they are to dangerous ,you can look at them on youtube .we train them but we cant applie them in competition ,they are a part of the judo curiculum . armlocks or shokes or pinns no problem . hope this answer your question .

no its not,if i was you i would take just 5 min on google before passing comment

but everytime a judoka tries to make it in MMA they don't go very far (ronda rousey being the exception because of an ultrathin division)

@maitrekano

6 жыл бұрын

yet ronda 12 winns against many girls champions like tate in wrestling or cat cingano both submited quite easy judo seemed to work my friend . and think that she wasnt either a great judoka , a bronze in the olympique thats good ,but she doesnt come near a lucie decosse who won gold and destroyed roussey in the world championship i .

bjj is not the same as ju-jitsu.

BJJ=Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Since it's ridiculous called BJJ, it same art martial (Ju-Jitsu)... Then, I practice CRJJ (Costa Rican Ju-Jitsu). ¬¬

BJJ game on turtle attack is weak. At least they are improving on it unlike judo don't improve guard work. >_>

After the 5 minute mark..The dude in blue gee just laying down with another dudes ass & balls just embracing his face & ear lobe..I do appreciate the technique involved but that has to be pretty iinfuriating to be sitting there not even a couple inches away from somebody's junk practically telling you fishing stories as it is whispered into your grill & nostrils ..

1111th like.

clueless...

its easy i play judo

bjj not exist, really is Judo, Kosen Judo. bjj = basically just Judo

@swoopingeagle3942

6 жыл бұрын

ROSG24 No comment

@swoopingeagle3942

6 жыл бұрын

Prasert85 All idiots... you and that down up there...

@italianista85

5 жыл бұрын

ROSG24 Cmon man!... and judo is jujutsu and jujitsu is a collective name for japanese/samurai grappling martial arts! Now its called BJJ...enjoy it!

@jonmoris9354

5 жыл бұрын

@@italianista85 wrong

@jonmoris9354

5 жыл бұрын

@@swoopingeagle3942 original kodokan judo had kosen juso which was taught to gracies by kodokan judoka maeda the gracies formulated there style from there they didnt add anything except provide a diffrent rule base for there sport kinda like eddie bravo with sub only rules which changes the game but moral of the story is bjj as youncall existed before your heroes the gracies and thats a fact

AWESOME technique, I had to watch it about 6 times to get the details but I will try this in class tomorrow. Thankyou