Both my kids started Judo at the same time. My son was five and my daughter was eight. After six years of judo (70% throws 30% ground work), management changed and the club became Judo and BJJ. After 6 months of BJJ, both kids were encouraged to compete at BJJ. Both did well. In particular, my son went on to win gold in every tournament he went to over the next 2 years (he got silver once). Each tournament we kept pushing him to fight up in a higher age, weight or belt category - Almost every tournament he was at some sort of disadvantage. Judo and BJJ skills are transferrable and complement each other. I submit that doing the reverse, i.e. learning 6 years of BJJ first and then winning gold at every tournament of Judo would not be even remotely possible. Another (and much more humble) point - My son gave a kid a concussion (as a family we were quite upset the kid was hurt) because my son did a big legal judo throw at a bjj tournament. Many Judo throws are totally allowed in BJJ. But the BJJ dojos don't teach enough breakfalls. The kid looked like he'd never really been thrown and didn't know any break falls. You MUST learn Judo breakfalls at a JUDO dojo - for your own safety. People who learn Judo first can seriously hurt people in BJJ. You don't want to meet those people for the first time at a BJJ tourny. Too bjj many classes start in sitting guard. They should not allow Judo throws at BJJ tournaments unless they up the skill level in break falls, in my opinion. There are some disadvantages to specializing in Judo. As you know, the fight ends with ippon in Judo. My son (using judo rules) over torques his body when he rotates to ensure the opponent is thrown in a powerful fight ending ippon. In a judo match he would win. In a BJJ match he ends up giving his back to the BJJ opponent while on the ground (using the same throw). He then has to struggle since his back has been taken. We can 'train' the over torque out of him for BJJ tournaments but we choose not to, since our focus is Judo. Great video.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

"I submit that doing the reverse, i.e. learning 6 years of BJJ first and then winning gold at every tournament of Judo would not be even remotely possible." That rings very true to my ears. Man i love your insight, it's priceless, as a man that started Judo much later in life, 36 to be exact. I don't have that perspective of the all the benefits and slight disadvantages in starting judo first as a kid. I hope you stick around and be part of this community im trying to build. Thanks for the support. Osu!

@mso008

4 жыл бұрын

This was a great comment! Thank you for taking your time to share your knowledge.

@limcharles9730

3 жыл бұрын

I was in the same situation.. joined a bjj tourney for newbies, the opponent dislocated his shoulder.. i pop it back but got shoved around and received plenty of abuse while i was trying to explain that judo throws are allowed.. apparently many aren't aware

@x-Musashi-x

Ай бұрын

My first day of Judo was mostly learning Ukemi, break falls. There was another new guy and he was so bored he never came back. I was 7 years deep into BjJ and have never learned the finer details of break falls. I was so amazed with the Ukemi details and drills we did that because I got good at it, throws aren’t as scary. I get thrown now and land like soft water on the mat. Breakfall training is extremely beneficial for martial arts AND life

I trained Judo from 6 years old - I train BJJ also for past two years. Judo definitely first. Teaches you respect, honor, discipline, how to breakfall ,rolls , how to keep your balance on your feet , you learn the background and history of judo , and when you learn all that at a young age its always embedded into you and will always help you through life. I remember when i was a kid that breakfalls and forward rolls saved my ass so may times from getting hurt falling over. And as an adult also. Judo will make you stronger and more agile and athletic. It gives you great body core strength , good posture , and makes you confident in your ability to protect your self. Its great for kids. And when shit hits the fan a judo guy will get close to you and grab you , and most people arent use to that where we are very comfortable with it. Then they are at your disposal. BJJ is quite casual in the sense and does not have the true martial art aspect as Judo. I believe alot of BJJ people can not breakfall or roll properly even after years of training BJJ. BJJ is a little bit too one dimensional. You cant pull guard on the street someone will kick you in the head. It does have an awesome ground game though thats why i like BJJ also. But im happy i started Judo first i think it gives me the better start.

@dylan_krishna_777

2 жыл бұрын

True man! but for me Judo looks like a complete grappling sport compare then BJJ. Sureley that ne-waza is not that good as from a BJJ guy but Judo has : ne-waza, chokes, trows, armbars.submissions,sweeps. What i so much like about Judo is the tachi-waza (trowing techniques) and in a streetfight that kind of trows can end a fight in 1 blow, especially when you fight multiply opponents. Nonetheless BJJ will make you complete as a grappler. 🥋🙏

@Supermomo2007

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylan_krishna_777 i plan to learn traditional kodokan judo with a lot newaza. maybe bjj is not needed

I agree with you 100%. I as a law enforcement officer chose to train Judo first because I can/do throw someone right into a wrist lock and handcuffs before they knew what happened. Also, law enforcement trains hard and the mind body will always react the way you train. So if you're a butt scooter than that's what you'll under stress. I also trained BJJ is was good but easy in comparison to how hard Judo is with throwing and NeWaza

It depends on who you are. If you are a girl who is likely to be sexually offended, BJJ is more important. If you are a guy who will go to street fight, do Judo first. I am a handicapped person who have injured ankle, BJJ is better choice for me because I barely can stand.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Agree, every person's situation is different. Common sense approach is important

I trained bjj to supplement my judo and it helped my judo tons. both great arts. I only practice bjj now and the teachers are great and teach lots of wrestling style take down.

I train Judo at an MMA school that does BJJ Muay Thai and MMA classes and is run by a former Judo olympian so I am very lucky. It's mainly Judo focused, but it's clearly an MMA school that's indapdentent. So the BJJ being taught is very legit especially as it's being taught by actual brazilians. I feel BJJ has become incredibly popular, but is slowly turning into the things MMA guys heavily critisize about traditional martial arts as a result of this. Becoming heavily comercialized, sitting down straight away being a bad habbit is 100% a big problem with modern BJJ like you said. Old BJJ never had this issue because it came from Judo, but over time the Judo aspect's got thrown out in favor of pure ground work. I see so many places that are very comercialized and capitlize on BJJ popularity they claim they do BJJ, but they aren't really doing BJJ because original gracie jiu jitsu as it is called was more than just ground work. This isn't true of all BJJ schools especially the one that I train at, because it cross trains Judo and BJJ together and our BJJ instructor is actually brazilian eliminating the problems. I'm starting out with Judo, and not doing anything else besides a little MMA because most of my training is focused on my Karate training under the Japanese Karate Asociation which is the same organization lyoto machida trained under which is my striking base, which I am supplamenting with a little bit of MMA. I don't want people to think I don't like BJJ because of this comment, I see BJJ being taught out of the corner of my eye all the time and the temptation is incredibly strong, but I simply don't have time to do it right now there's only so many days in the week and training Karate and Judo at the same time is proving to be incredibly hard due to time commitments to the point where I might need to start doing alternating weeks, which will weaken my progress in both arts, I simply cannot add BJJ on top of it.

I agree with your comments and choosing Judo first. For Kids its very beneficial as it develops your core, balance and how to use their body very well with the explosiveness as you say. Also selecting a Dojo that has a good focus on Newaza is really good, BJJ then can add to your Newaza with those extra's. Find a Kosen Judo school and cross train with BJJ

Having trained judo for 4 years and recently started bjj, six months bjj training I still practice both and enjoy both. While similar, bjj is just refined judo ne waza ( ground work). In my humble opinion I would definitely recommend learning judo first. Bjj ground game is excellent but in a real world situation I would definitely say judo is more realistic. Too many guys start on there butt scoot it’s very frustrating for a judoka and completely ridiculous in a real world altercation. There is definitely a more traditional respectful attitude toward judo too. I detest training on mats listening to music as is the case with bjj.

@OGFITNESS

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha, i agree with a lot of what you're saying, funny thing is at my Judo club the music is blasting the whole time for the adult classes, the kid's classes are more traditional and discipline, but i started in a more traditional setting, i can live with both. Thanks for your support. Osu!

I do both, with a little bit of Muy Thai. Judo on the street, saved my wife from a terrible fall, she tripped, while holding hands, I was able to hold her up, and let her down softly, then do a zempo kaitan and roll past. We are both in are late 60s. Martial arts have so much more to give than self defense

@OGFITNESS

4 ай бұрын

That is awesome to hear, the study and practice of martial arts should be mandatory imho, my future kids will all be highly trained in martial arts, philosothy, yoga, and exercise. Osu!

This was a really helpful insight into the subtleties between the two disciplines - thank you!

@OGFITNESS

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Judo first. But make sure you train to compete. This way you focus, you don't fantasize about your effectiveness and you develop necessary rhythm, balance, grappling aggression and multiple options to off-balance and throw.... .. The argument the video maker uses at the 4:00 minute mark is a great reason. .... Here's my story. .. My wrestling couch knew that I no longer plans to compete after a couple years in college - but I missed competition. He was a former California state judo champ at black belt - and it seemed like the next best thing. Man, I loved judo. About a year later I was invited to train under a Gracie nearby and loved BJJ too. But i ended competing more in judo. I felt like takedowns are the real game changer in a street fight/self-defense. ..I did NOT want to hit my low single or hi-C on concrete - but once i developed a solid judo foot sweep game and throws - I knew I had legit options if faced with an opponent that neutralized my kickboxing. ..... And, should we scramble to the ground - i had full confidence that I would not be choked or joint-locked ---- but I could absolutely apply holds and chokes an the average knucklehead, no matter the size. .... Here's why you should cross-train: your average judoka (before 2nd degree) has a weak ground game. If they mess up their throws, they have a weak chance of submitting or getting to a dominant position. When I walked in on day 1 from wrestling - I wrecked all the white belts and 90% of browns in stand up - and wrecked all of them on the ground. All of them. ... That was until guys from jiu-jitsu came in. Then any blue belt could submit me. ............. Likewise, your average bjj'er (before brown belt) has trash takedowns (unless they wrestled or did judo). .. I took down everyone, white thru purple belts at will -- except for ex-wrestlers. ........ Don't expect that you will magically clinch if you just do BJJ. .... You have to be sure you get them to you deft zones. Cross-train. ... Ps. Having done both - I will say that judo is more of a young man's game. There are middle-aged guys doing it- but they go super easy, just drilling and rarely take each other down. Too hard on older joints. That's life. .... Young guys are completely delusional about how they will age. No matter what - don't make a habit of training injured! /end rant

@BenWeeks-ca

4 ай бұрын

For someone in their 40s is judo bad on the finger joints? Have seen the hands of a judo green belt and they have bent joints and things.

Very good advise. Thank you. I think you are right to advise, to understand people to know when they see sport jujitsu. There are a lot of people that have no idea. I joined Renzo Gracie's gym in Queens, New York. And I realized it was sport bjj. It is difficult to find a jujitsu school that teaches self defense jujitsu these days. Everyone wants to compete. And, does not think that they might be in a self defense situation one day. And schools are selling out to pay profit and set people up for failure. I have had the time now, to do research. And i found a Gracie jujitsu school. And a Judo school. Both are reasonable priced. I am going to take your advice and start with Judo. Osu!

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

a reasonably price gracie academy? really? i thought anything with the name gracie is crazy expensive. Happy u found one. Judo is cheap practically everywhere, some exception of course im sure, but probably not many.

@stur6722

4 жыл бұрын

O.G. FITNESS i was wrong. This Gracie jujitsu academy is $230 a month. I guess I am switching to judo after all. You were right. Thank you for the videos. And opening my eyes to judo. After I saw your first video. I started researching judo. I was thinking jujitsu was the only thing out here. Now know what Judo has. Osu!

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@@stur6722 230!!! Holyshit!!! USD i imagine, thats nuts!! Welcome to Judo brother! Osu!!

@stur6722

4 жыл бұрын

O.G. FITNESS Thank you brother. I am looking forward to the journey. Osu!

@limcharles9730

3 жыл бұрын

Gracie don't teach the soft side like humility and respect

I have access to Judo. i was thinking on adding the 36 lessons of GJJ combatives for supplement.

@cesaralvesdemoraes3187

4 жыл бұрын

You should absolutely do that. It's available on Pirate Bay

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

The more you learn man the more you realize how much there is to know, its all about the journey.

So want to do judo!!!!! But due to medical reasons atm, my head can’t take the shock of hitting the mat…. Can’t wait to get back into it!!!

I Agree to choose Judo as the first Art, then BJJ...but I don´t agree your arguments! I think Judo is a good Martial Arts (specially the best for kids) and you start to learn, how to feel the weak position of your oponent! But if you believe, that a BJJ´er would struggle on his back against a Judoka is in my opinion nonsense! After being years in BJJ you learned how to manage your guard against stronger and heavier persons. I don´t say, that a Judoka can not pass the guard, but I believe, that BJJ´ler are better in guard passing. Second I don´t believe, that a judoka got more skills because of his more dynamic moves!!! Most Judokas, I had roll with, I got usually the same two scenarios: 1. Me Bottom- (he/she brings me down with a throw) tried to submit me (for example Armbar) without building a position...so here was so easy to defending his/her attempt. 2. Me Top- All of them like Wrestlers just gave me a gift...his/her Back!!!!! At the end: the combination of Judo and BJJ is the real Deal!!!

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Agree with you on that, both are a must if you want to be a complete gi grappler, maybe add in some leg locks and heel hooks and voila, complete.

@Supermomo2007

3 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS can i add leg locks in judo without crosstrain in bjj?

@jpdoc5722

2 ай бұрын

Judo first for me👍😊

Hi O.G. - Thank you for the great content ! I do have a question and hope to hear your insights: Recently, I found a shcool that offers BJJ, Judo and Wresting - Which is great because I truly enjoy grapling (Even though I am only a beginner in Judo and BJJ with a few months of training, never wrestling in my life) At this point, I am doing BJJ and Judo back to back 2X a week, would you say it's a good idea to swap one judo session for wresting ( That would become 2 BJJ, 1 Judo and 1 wrestling class) or I should start wrestling after reaching decent afficiency in judo (Let's say, green belt, which is considered to be advance judo member in my school) Thank you for taking the time to share your insights !

@OGFITNESS

2 жыл бұрын

I'll make a video for you :) Great question, Osu!

I am too inexperienced to tell, but I must say that I agree with you, which is why I started with Judo (but I will do BJJ as well very soon).

I'm fortunate because I live in Bath a city that is known for its high level BJJ also the English Judo team are based here so the uni and the local clubs are high level judo. I train both and to me its all just grappling all that's different is the rules, for example in a Ne-waza contest im more comfortable on the ground than a lot of Judo guys because I train BJJ and im better at standing than a lot of bjj guys due to judo.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

at the end of the day its all just grappling like u said, i agree with that 100%, i split hand to hand combat into 2 categories, grappling, striking, done. Styles and rule sets differ but who cares, have fun and develop your character and skill set through out the journey. There is no end.

@lewisb85

4 жыл бұрын

The light switch moment for me was at a seminar where ray Stevens a Olympic level judo player and roger gracies first British black belt said how judo is no different from the games that are played during positional sparring at bjj class, where depending on the rules a shoulders down pin is a win, it just gives you different positions to work from. Like I’ve said before I don’t think a bjj guy would be expecting a judo player’s turtle breaking or side control game.

I do judo and the takedowns are amazing and effortless if you do it right. Gonna do BJJ as well to combine the 2

I agree Judo! Besides everything you said, judo will make you stronger and give you a better overall body workout. Once you have that, then add more fighting systems. However, if you are not athletic enough for judo, as judo is a young person's game, then that's a topic for another video.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

im about t make a vid right now on what are the 2 best martial arts to pratice if u need to get proficient fast. As always thx for the support doc!

Bjj definitely helped me improve at Judo although I was able to win a fight with only Judo by throwing someone with an Ogoshi then pinning them in diagonal side control until he gave up.

Hey, great video! I have a question: Im 26 yo and i wanna start practicing judo. Is it possible through practising throws to get any serious or permanent injury (for example on your knees, shoulders, or spine)? I believe that generally practicing judo is safe and for sure they will teach you proper techniques, what is your opinion?

@OGFITNESS

3 жыл бұрын

great question, will make a vid for ya/

@panosbnl8082

3 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS thank you!! Appreciate it, greetings from Greece!

I like no gi BJJ best, however I do train both with and without gi. Judo doesn't have no gi training which puts a lot of limits on Judo , because on the street you won't be wearing a gi, and you won't always be wearing a jacket. However there is no doubt judo has some dangerous techniques, mostly throws. BJJ has more than just throws, flips, and pinning guy on the ground. BJJ and Submission Wrestling together are best for those wanting to perfect grappling skills.

I just started judo at 33, I'm more interested in the art of takedowns than submissions however in a few years I'd like to cross train and when my body decides it can't handle judo anymore I'll switch to entirely to bjj. Easier to judo when you're younger.

BJJ I would chose over Judo any day. I have done MMA for several years which involved Muay Thai and Submission Wrestling. I currently started BJJ (3 months ago) but got my first stripe after only one month, and love it. I have tried Judo in past and quit after a month, because I found it extremely boring. BJJ is better in my opinion , you don't need both BJJ and Judo. BJJ has some Judo throws plus alot of ground of fighting. If you're someone who wants to learn only grappling do Submission Wrestling and Jujitsu.

For kids, the answer is simple: they should learn judo first. Their bodies recover from throws in two or three minutes. Much steeper learning curve (and longer recovery time) as an adult. BJJ can be picked up later on in life.

@OGFITNESS

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

Another point. I would go further than saying Judo before BJJ. I say Judo before striking arts. Karate, Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Boxing etc. I know a lot of strikers are going to protest (and perhaps want to strike some sense into me) but I have a logical argument. Judo (this argument is easier to apply to kids) is age appropriate. Many schools have zero tolerance policies. Both fighters get suspended or detentions. Given that Judo is the gentle way (of throwing), you can (and so can witnesses) say that you never struck the opponent. I have taught my kids the following statement to tell teachers, "He hit me. I did not hit him. Somehow he slipped and fell. I held him down so that he would not hit me anymore. And then you came. Ask anyone."

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Judo is great for kids, the system teaches discipline, respect, self control among other things. And its more age appropriate then striking possibly for young ones. I think its important to teach kids self control first before teaching them how to strike. Thx for watching bro!

Do you rate catch wrestling? I met a Bjj instructor who also does, sounds brutal

Great

What about Taekwondo, Boxing, and Judo or Bjj? Is that an effective combination? I like to train in Boxing and Taekwondo as soon as I can for about 7 years to a decade then I will start one or both of these grappling arts

@tpal3243

3 жыл бұрын

do it the other way around. self defense martial arts like judo or bjj are much more important

I think the best are hybrid schools, especially if you are wearing a gi.

Jigoro Kano says in the book "mind over muscle" that concentrating too much on your groundwork before learning stand up, will hinder you progress in learning stand up later on.

Hey man, really enjoying your videos. I'm living in Japan and hoping to start learning Judo at the Kodokan next month. They have classes every day except Sunday and I plan to really focus on it and train as much as I can. Their website says the aim is to achieve black belt in 1 year, but even with frequent training that still seems fast.

@OGFITNESS

3 жыл бұрын

thats awesome man, black in 1? i say go for it 100%. If the Kodakan gives it to you i feel it means you deserve it. Keep me posted on your journey man, im very curious to see how you progress through their program.

@shugyosha7924

3 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS Sure thing!

@RockiesSweden

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Matthew, how did the Kodokan go? I feel like 1 year is extremely fast for a blackbelt, but I imagine it could be accomplished if you spent all day every day training, went to every tournament you could and won every match.

@shugyosha7924

2 жыл бұрын

​@@RockiesSweden I stopped training after a few months because of covid, then work got really busy. When I signed up my schedule wasn't a problem but I don't have total control over it. Their classes start at 5pm so it can be hard to fit in, despite me being so lucky to have a pretty flexible job in Japan. You're right you have to go a lot to progress at that pace - I was going about 3 times a week but 4-5 times a week would be better to keep up with their quotas for advancing into the next classes. I hope to continue it after Japan gets out of a state of emergency and work lightens up, but we'll see. I'm trying to start my own company, which if I manage should solve the issue for me.

@robforsyth1077

2 жыл бұрын

@@shugyosha7924 Hope you manage to get back to training. Having lived in Tokyo myself in the past and training Judo 3-4 time per week is good for advancing your training, I only trained at the Kodokan once or twice a fortnight, and trained with a University mainly, if you attend the monthly Shiai at kodokan and record wins, you will advance your grade quicker.

I think this is a pretty accurate and informing video of how bjj and judo shapes our style. Also I find your opinions very realistic in terms of defining the street scenarios. I have some additional thoughts too. I also think that judo might be sport oriented sometimes. Sometime judokas can be obsessed with pinning the shoulder too much rather than a solid slam. After they pin the opponent sometimes they flip themselves and go down while the opponent instantly stands up. But it doesnt matter cos they got an ippon but obivously this style is not street oriented. That was my first point. And the second point is that judo does not really cover being mounted and escaping from the mount position. I believe that mount is a very apocalyptical scenario and it would be very beneficial to know how to escape that. So yeah :D these were my thoughts please inform me if there is any misinfo or any flaw in this comment. Thanks for the video and reading, Cheers!

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

ill make a video on this, you have some very valid points brother! thx for watching !

Have you seen kudo. What's your thoughts on their judo?

@OGFITNESS

4 ай бұрын

Ill have to take a look

Good video 👍 👌

Both arts complement each other.

3:25 You say that. But i had a fight start on the sofa! (older brother (both adults at the time) started a fight I tried de-escalating but he kept coming and I ended up having to punch him and knock him out. After this I decided to start learning grappling).

What’s easier on the joints, health in your opinion, BJJ or judo?

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

They’re both brutal, bjj over time, judo accute and catastrophic, would have say judo

Boxing and judo for the streets.... or wrestling.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

i say boxing and wrestling if your in a hurry to be efficient. I'll make a vid, thx for the support!

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Just made an video on it. uploading now, thank for watching brother!

@RGTomoenage11

4 жыл бұрын

O.G. FITNESS Watched them both brother, keep them coming. If you are ever down in the Bay Area, hit me up for some training.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@@RGTomoenage11 thx brother! 2021, get my pardon, and then i'll be able to travel to the states.

@ronnynolegs

10 ай бұрын

​@@OGFITNESSYep learning curve is less to a basic level in wrestling. Modern judo is quite finess

What’s the optimal amount of BJJ for a competitive judoka?

I did BJJ for about 5 months and lost interest because we almost never did stand-up work. It was only during one week, where the head instructor was absent and his assistant was in charge, that we actually practiced takedowns. Other than that, all classes involved sequences starting on the ground with somebody in guard, half guard, knee on belly, or passing guard. I originally got interested in martial arts because I wanted to learn how to fight, and didn't think I was really getting that from BJJ. It's too sporty and not martial at all. The takedown is the bottleneck of any grappling system. Without it, you can't do submissions, no matter how well developed your submission game is. After my brief time in BJJ, I'm confident in knowing what to do IF a fight is already on the ground, but am not confident in my ability to take it there in the first place. I intend to get into Judo soon for this very reason. The ground game in Judo, while not as sophisticated, is still plenty good enough to deal with any opponent untrained in grappling. It's more worthwhile.

Judo is cheaper and you learn how to fall and the basic of newaza and nage awaza

I started BJJ first, I wish I started in Judo or wrestling first.

If I had to choose, Judo initially, then wrestling, then jiu jitsu. While jiu jitsu takes the longest to get proficient in, if you’re good at wrestling or judo that’s grappling experience and you’ll pick up jiu jitsu faster. I think Nicky Rod was a D1 wrestler, and won ADCC as a blue belt, as an example. Judo takes a long time to get proficient in, however it’s more limited than wrestling, but the finer details can take time. Wrestling next, it’s hard to get good at but simple to understand. And it’s also immediately learnt. Judo takes some time and finesse, where are once you do a double you can do a double, simple move, but to be an expert at it is what takes time. You can immediately do a wrestling take down, being good at it takes awhile. A judo ippon done properly takes more time to learn. After all of this, jiu jitsu. You’ll train for the rest of your life and you have good experience from the other two, due to this you’ll even be competitive if you were to compete. I did the opposite personally, Jiu Jitsu first which led to me wrestling and I did both throughout high school, then after years of training I started cross training at a judo gym. If I could go back in time I would’ve started with judo, but still eventually wrestled and done jiu jitsu.

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

Lessons for out future kids, all that makes perfect sense brother, Osu!

I was wondering about this I have no martial arts or athletic background and I’m over weight 5’9 1/2 260lb and was wondering of taking a martial arts classes and was looking at two schools one is a judo club and the other is a mix martial art school that has sport no gi Bjj ,boxing, kickboxing didn’t know witch one to take

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

For u i would recommend the mma school. That being said you should try judo at one point also.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Try both and see whats a better fit for you.I recommended the mma school because at your height and weight im guessing your overweight so i would want to see you move alot more by doing mma and also is alot of falling so it might not be the best thing to start with until your muscles and joints are adapted.

@bootyman4461

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the reply I will do as you say and go with the MMA gym and later on when I’m fitter add judo

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@@bootyman4461 Anytime brother! Pace urself, its a marathon not a sprint, and remember to have fun.

@bootyman4461

4 жыл бұрын

O.G. FITNESS will do thanks

Unfortunately judo is only offered twice a week at my gym. but BJJ almost everyday, should my focus be on BJJ or judo?

@BenWeeks-ca

4 ай бұрын

Try both and see how it goes. I find with bjj some weeks I'm just not into the technique. Others it's super fun. I've been through the bjj 101 curriculum once at our gym and there is a little bit of judo in there. But I feel I'd like more along with wrestling.

Fights will end up on the ground almost always, but the question is did you get slammed on the ground? Or did you take your opponent down first? Judo and wrestling allows me to make sure that I’m the guy on top. So that I am on my feet, postured and I have mobility to see if there are multiple attackers so that I can assess and find an escape to make sure I get home safely. Oss.

I'd never train either or those arts but some how i agree with this guy. I come from shotokan karate; every art have something offer.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely, i believe you can have your specialty but should always have a working/functional knowledge of other arts so you're more well rounded.

Hello and thank you for the great video. I’m 47 yo, 6’5” and 280lbs. Should I still start with judo? I can’t seem to be able to make up my mind. Thanks.

@realtruth1448

11 ай бұрын

Judo is more fun than BJJ, less chronic injuries than BJJ, and better for self defense than BJJ

@OGFITNESS

10 ай бұрын

How much of that 280 is muscle vs fat?

If your talking strictly self defense, judo is better than bjj simply because judo teaches you to throw the other person and stay standing yourself. You never want to go to the ground willingly in a self defense situation, as most bjj schools focus on. Also, I'd say most self defense situations are actually spend most of the time in clinching range. Guess what judo focusses on 80 percent of the time: Clinching range, but unlike wrestling or muay tai where they focus on under/overhooks and collar ties, judo teaches you to make use of a person's clothing by way of the gi. Guess what most people will be wearing in a self defense situation: clothing! Also, if the fight goes to the ground in a self defense situation, Bjj starts doing way to complicated shit past blue belt. Ask any of the Gracies when they were still challenging people, most fights back then against unpredictable opponents where won with basic stuff: Kimura, straight armlock, guillotine, rear naked, (back) mount. Exactly the stuff they focus on in judo ne waza. I think Geoff Thompson said it best: "judo is the martial arts world best kept secret" I'm talking self defense here btw guys, not in a sporting context!

@jacobsl3499

2 жыл бұрын

Hey man. Some good points. And, underrated maybe, what you´re saying about BJJ people starting to do way too complex stuff after blue belt (at least for the average Joe who starts a street fight!) is on point. For street fight, that time is better spent on getting really good standing and throwing.

I’ve been having neck problems for a while… I’m definitey hesitant to do BJJ cause it’s always on the ground. Judo you get pinning moves and can stall but predominantly on your feet.

@OGFITNESS

2 жыл бұрын

Better off with Judo but one thing to consider is the impact when falling, can your neck take it?

@muayboran6111

2 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS if I fall correctly and tuck my chin in then yeah

Learn judo, why bother with bjj, unless your doing ufc. For your self defence then judo. Who rolls on the floor in street fights, one on one.? Bjj only works in ufc, in general

judo first.fights start on the feet.full stop.judo has better pinning also..

I have to disagree for self-defense reasons BJJ is definitely the better option to start first. I started Judo first for about 7 years, took many years off, and then started BJJ for almost the same amount of time. Pre-covid I traveled around the world for work and trained at BJJ gyms everywhere I went. Many of the gyms cover a lot of double/single leg defense and in order to teach that, they also have to teach single/double takedowns and all their variations gi/nogi. There are many aspects of wrestling incorporated in almost every BJJ gym I have come across. In BJJ it's about 95% ground 5% standing, while in Judo it was about 80% standing 20% ground. Even though it is just 5% standing, the basic wrestling takedowns are pretty much all you need if you were to fight someone who doesn't train off the streets. Judo is more of a sport, I have never seen them mention or talk about covering up to close the distance if you ever do get into a real fight. If you can't safely connect to your opponent you stand a good chance of getting clocked. In BJJ even in a sport focused gym, their warmup drills and techniques, still involve covering the face, as an example when you do a technical standup. In Judo, facing the opponent is not as "important" as in BJJ for obvious reasons, and even more so if you throw striking into the mix. I have kids of my own, and as soon as they were allowed to enroll I have had them training and competing in both Judo and BJJ full time for about 8 years now. To me, the two arts are like two halves of the same coin. You really should do both if possible. However if you could only do 1, as long as your not some hot-blooded meathead who doesn't know when to tap, BJJ is by far the safest option to go. Judo is a high impact sport, many things can go wrong no matter how many years you've trained. People are throwing the planet at you at incredibly high speeds... either you or the planet will eventually break... and my money is not on the planet. BJJ is a soft sport, and as long as you tap when you don't know how to get out of a situation, or tap when it hurts, your most likely going to leave practice in one piece.

@wrestlingjudoms1302

2 жыл бұрын

But BJJ wrestling skills are kinda sloppy. Their single legs are timid and slow just being honest. And many BJJ practitioners definitely have bad habits of pulling gaurd I see alot among girls in BJJ. That's dangerous in the streets especially in a crowded area. Learning and Judo and wrestling is more suitable to develop a takedown and top game. Then learn BJJ after.

@kanthas

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree that the majority of BJJ peoples wrestling skills are very sloppy. However, we're talking about self-defense against the average joe, not a takedown drill against D1 wrestlers. If a BJJ practitioner pulls guard and butt scoots on the street then that person is either a white belt or should be a white belt after getting soccerball kicked in the face... If they are on the ground and the bjj guy is on his back, he should have enough training to easily reverse the scenario against an average joe. The most valuable skill in a street fight is awareness. If your out numbered no matter what your skills are you should always be looking for an exit throughout the whole ordeal.

@wrestlingjudoms1302

2 жыл бұрын

@@kanthas That's is true but I think it's varies it might be a untrained average joe but he might be bigger in size and stature and generally speaking bigger guys are harder to take down. This is why I think your wrestling take down or sweep game is vital. And yes I don't think pulling gaurd is ever a good idea I remember in highschool I got into a fight ended up on the ground and some random kids were kicking me behind the head. That's how hostile crows tend to behave completely uncivilized. But ofcause BJJ is still sufficient to utilise in a street fight or self defence situation it just depends on how you approach it. It's just different opinions. Lol I just don't understand why BJJ guys shoot in for takedowns without knee slides or penetration step in looks Hella weird pushing forward with your head down like that.

Have you heard of Another Judo I think is called koshen.. Anyway this Judo makes more emphasis on ground work rather throws. Which I found interesting. I'll find the right spelling and pass it on to you. Cheers!

@Akujiki03

4 жыл бұрын

It's Kosen Judo. That's the spelling you were looking for right?

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Of course, its called Kosen Judo.

@razzyp3999

4 жыл бұрын

Yes thanks!

@lewisb85

4 жыл бұрын

Unless you are attending a Japanese university forget about it, most westerners who like to throw the Kosen argument around, will never actually get involved in it.

Judo is definitely better to start. Judo teach a person to throw and submit on the ground very quickly. Bjj is more taking ur time on the ground. Judo teaches enough ground game so a person can understand.

I do both at same time!

@OGFITNESS

3 жыл бұрын

Thats the best!!

@joesphruggiero3707

3 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS yeah nothing better its rules mindset approach to which game your playin then adapting it to the sport u are doing

this is an easy answer. def do judo 1st. it will teach u how to fall,learn the concepts of kuzushi, learn some basic tachi waza and newaza, learn to shrimp and other basic mat exercises. and the instruction and techniques are generally very basic. even if u want to make a career in bjj and have no plans to progress in judo... i still think its a good introduction.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

break falling, kuzushi, and basic throwing is a must i believe, it provides a strong foundation standing for bjj players not to mention the gripping strategies and strength you develop is going to serve tremendously in bjj.

How about samurai jiu jitsu?? Japanese jujitsu? ?

I agree... I hate that in the bjj club i went to every day we would roll from the knees except once a month(for white belts) Te 90% thing is fake... Someone not lomg ago actually made a study, turns out its like 40%... But the times it went to the ground 96% it gave the advantage to the guy who did the takedown... So... Maybe being very good at the throws and takedowns is the best way... Besides... I fought a rugbier a few months ago, he was trying to manhandle me with brute force and i did an osotogari and he could not stand up... for over a month he had to stop working out because of the damage and he fell on grass... If i threw him on concrete he could have hurt himself much more

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

u messed up a rugby dude? lol, u know thats a funny thing cuz in france theres big rivalries between rugby players and judokas in bars and clubs, i.e they fight all the goddamn time lol.

@gingercore69

4 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS didnt know that... Here rugbiers start fights with everyone because they feel size is all that matters... But this rugbier is actually a decent guy... We just have a type of "fightclub" where we masically fight with ufc1 rules

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@@gingercore69 lol, crazyness!!!

@gingercore69

4 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS it gets crazier... Both men and women fight each other... The ranking right now goes like this 1)male mma fighter 2)make sipalki blackbelt 3)me 4)male taekwondo guy who started doong muay thai about a year ago 5)male sipalki guy who started muay thai about a year ago 6)a female skater 7)the rugby guy 8)a guy who just started kung fu Also, there are 2 ninjas(they practice bujinkan) who fight more or less at my level but dont come too often so, they are not ranked yet... And soon 3 other girls will start comming too!

Judo is better because it has throws/takedowns. Pins. Submissions. Bjj only has submissions. One good judo throw can cause some serious damage.

How tall are you?

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

5'8, 150 lbs

lol being a bjj guy, would i stand against a judo guy? im pulling guard 100% of the time! and i have alot of faith in my guard. if were the same weight, i doubt most judo black belts are passing my guard

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

I did tl exactly that at a in house bjj competition b4 i stated judo, i was fighting my now judo coach and knew i had no chance, jumped guard right out of the gate lol.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@Justin Mathewlol! Yeah theres that too, in the judo comps if u pick a guy off the floor, even if he has a sub on u the ref stops the fight. It comes from the mentality of battlefield in feudal japan. Cuz if u get slammed hard on ur back ur essentially done for. Concussed and winf knock out of ya so ud let go and then get stabbed with a sword . Lol

@Krissada1000

4 жыл бұрын

I am a BJJ guy, I will not pull guard on the street. It is better to double leg and see what happen.

@williamadamsbjj

4 жыл бұрын

@@Krissada1000 same.

Butt Scoot Jitsu is another name for BJJ; what some guy ripped off--the Japanese martial form called Jiu-Jitsu.

@OGFITNESS

9 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@OGFITNESS

9 ай бұрын

Gotta admit, after all these years in judo, wrestling and striking, the stand up in bjj is horrendous to watch

I have a question, i cant train bjj for like 4 months(away from town where the gym is) , do you think its a good alternative to do judo( new town where i stay has judo gym, no bjj gym)

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

definitely!!! 100%, it'll improve your bjj skills even.

Combat systema would glue the two nicely. I couldn't agree more with you. Judo would be your first choice, followed by jiu-jitsu as an effective finisher if someone isn't KOed or seriously hurt from being dropped into a dance floor or a road.

My Army brother was from Boston and a purple belt in Gracie Jiujitsu. He got into a fight with another Soldier who was a wrestling champ. My buddy took his back, had in his heel hooks, naked figure four choke, when the wrestler's buddies run up from out of nowhere and began kicking my buddy in the head w/shod feet while I tried to fight the mob off. My buddy, a Gracie BJJ purple belt, won the battle but lost the war cause he went to the E.R. w/severe brain & neck injuries. He was never mentally right after that. My take away from that experience was Gracie BJJ is great in a ring duel but suicidal in a street fight. Perhaps BJJ is self defense worthy for females defending against a single date rapist but Judo is better for male combat defense.

@OGFITNESS

3 жыл бұрын

yeah you cant be hanging out on the ground for long just for that reason, sorry to hear bout your friend.

@jacobsl3499

2 жыл бұрын

Incredibly sad about your friend. WTF happened to the attackers? Also, I agree - BJJ is wonderful BUT it is VERY vulnerable to go to the ground in a street fight.

What if I start them both In the same week?

@OGFITNESS

3 жыл бұрын

that would be great!

@jacobsl3499

3 жыл бұрын

Considering the same, man! I think it can be brilliant.

Which one is better for MMA? Judo or Bjj?

@yehuihe1825

3 жыл бұрын

As a judo guy i would say Bjj, you really need to finish in MMA. Ippon means nothing. But hey there is Ronda Rousey so...

@wrestlingjudoms1302

2 жыл бұрын

I do Judo but I would have to say BJJ and wrestling definitely.

@jacobsl3499

2 жыл бұрын

This depends on how good you are. I would say that if you are black belt level in judo then judo starts to become the better base. Because you have a good standing game and decent submission/ground game. Arguably, if your ground game is decent (relatively speaking!), then the wrestling/takedown aspect is what sets many of the best fighters apart.

I say you need both. The more martial arts you know the better. Martial arts classes can cost a lot of money c

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

Thats always a barrier, time and money.

@benkeating3053

3 жыл бұрын

Judo is often a fraction of the price of bjj

@hanial-hayyawi4578

3 жыл бұрын

@@benkeating3053 I didn’t know that

There are several arts that offer a transition game Wrestling Judo Cambo Hapkido Akido Kung fu And more. That being said. Judo is the undisputed king of the transition game. If you're looking to develop the skill to move from standing to grappling, there's nothing better than Judo.

@jacobsl3499

2 жыл бұрын

Why is it better than wrestling? Curious!

I always knew that any jiujitsu training teaches you to be stubborn. Out of all the street fights I've been in, i knew jiujitsu could get me in a lot more trouble. Judo teaches you to drop and let go if you can control yourself.

In my opinion the only two martial arts you need for the street is...Judo and Boxing. Both are standing defence arts.If you are in the streets have to defend yourself you want to be out of there quick...One punch can end it.Then run.

@wrestlingjudoms1302

2 жыл бұрын

Or wrestling and boxing

Kodokan Judo FTW!!! 🥋🙌🏽

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

lol!!! awesome!!!

@AmericanPatriot0076

4 жыл бұрын

O.G. FITNESS If the Gracies were taught Kodokan-style Jūdō, by a Judo Master, one must wonder, hmmm.... 🤔

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanPatriot0076 from what i heard they did but maeda was very street oriented and had a preference for ground work and shit that worked but was considered not kodokan worthy. And on top of that Helio was small and weak so he found another way to use more technique and leverage as opposed to using strength and atheleticism.

@AmericanPatriot0076

4 жыл бұрын

O.G. FITNESS That’s what they want us to believe, that’s why Judo newaza and Gracie “Jujutsu” are practically IDENTICAL.

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanPatriot0076 lol!! U know what bjj stands for? BASICALLY JUST JUDO🤣🤣🤣

Catch wrestling

If the subject is self defense you GOTTA add boxing in the mix. If you've never seen fists flying at your face the first time you do you will most likely freeze. Also you can practice closing the distance and getting a clinch in boxing sparring, and if you can't you still have a back up plan.

It makes a ton of sense to practice Judo first. My first day at BJJ, we did break falling! Every fight starts on the feet, no one pulls guard or should pull guard in a fight on the street. The object of the game is to stop and nullify an attacker and get away! Ne waza or ground fighting is and should be a last resort, if you happen to hit the ground. Also if you are a BJJ practitioner you really only need to be proficient at maybe 3 throws! Sometimes less is better! Even in BJJ all the crazy worm guards and 50/50s are not really necessary! Just my opinion! 😊

Plus Judo is far cheaper too.

Learn Kosen rules Judo.

Write down your bullet points before hands then make a video, so as to cover all topics. Thanks 🙏

To some it up you dont want to be rolling around In the street and better to throw a guy away

Judo hands down

Easy really: 1st year: Aikido 2nd year: Aikido and BJJ 50/50 3rd & 4th year: Judo 5th year: Judo & Aikido 50/50 6th year onward: Aikido and continue rolling with Judo and BJJ guys

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

thats awesome!!!

@OGFITNESS

4 жыл бұрын

question, did judo and bjj improve your aikido?

@yuriysemenikhin302

4 жыл бұрын

@@OGFITNESS I've learned Aikido in Ukraine in the second half of 90's, so our training was VERY different from the things I encountered after moving to Europe. I also sparred with full on street fighters who had different martial arts backgrounds :-) But recently I started getting back into training and I started going to open mat sessions in MMA schools around Berlin. Rolling with BJJ, Judo and Grappling guys is really helping me to get my Aikido back to scratch, after not having trained for good 10 years. With total over 7 years of Aikido mixed with nearly 3 years of HEMA training, I don't see a point for me to study Judo or BJJ unless I can actually commit to one of them at least for a couple of years, which I can't :-( But to explain my list for grappling training for those who want to train from beginner level but not going into competitions: In year 1 Aikido gives a good base for keeping safe when falling or rolling out of the fall, introduces some nice take-down strategies and, as one BJJ black belt summed it up, teaches police type ground control In year 2 Mixing Aikido with BJJ helps you develop good base for ground game while learning not to be afraid of take-downs, BJJ also gets you more used to close contact. Year 3 & 4 Judo teaches you harder take-downs but also helps the development of explosiveness (which most Aikidoka lack) In year 5 mixing Judo with Aikido helps one to start actually understanding Aikido techniques and appreciate the level of control they can provide during take-downs, but also introduces that Judo explosiveness to their execution (This is usually the time one wants to kill 90% of Aikidokas around ;-) ) From year 6 one finally appreciates Aikido techniques but also the training with very little injuries and rolling with Judo and BJJ guys helps to not fall into that Aikido slumber :-) But if we are talking about full on fighting, then to Really understand the inner workings of Aikido one should also do Boxing :-), both of those don't only have similar strikes but share up to 80% of footwork. P.S. Sorry if my answer is a bit all over the place :-)

@oneguy7202

3 жыл бұрын

@@yuriysemenikhin302 what style of aikido.

@sankari6114

3 жыл бұрын

@@yuriysemenikhin302 Did you do Tomiki aikido or regural aikido

Judo

BJJ is the best out of them all.

@oneguy7202

3 жыл бұрын

No it isnt i just gracie marketing propaganda a good wrestler will kill you in a street and you can stay on the ground or grapple in all situations

@sankari6114

3 жыл бұрын

Bjj is basically judo without tachiwaza

I would recommend wrestling instead of judo