I'd like to propose a video series for Bridging the gap between Judo and BJJ. I would like to see a series where you demonstrate a judo throw/takedown and then show how it leads to a dominant ground position or a submission. Also a breakdown where you show the key elements would be much appreciated. Bridging the gap sounds soo awesome and it is much needed to keep the two disciplines effective.

@marcosgarcia8544

Жыл бұрын

Oh, like the actual judo who teach how to throw a opponent, control it and submit it, gotcha

BJJ Blue belt here and took my first judo class last night! And I find this collab today! Excellent!

I think we need to rebirth judo and jiu jitsu together under the same roof

I've been doing judo for about 4 years now, and bjj roughly 3 years but much less frequently. Proabably 2-3 times a week for judo and 1-2 times a fortnight for bjj (haven't trained any bjj for the last couple months though). In my experience there's less to learn in judo but it takes absolutely AGES to perfect. It's taken me 4 years to get 3-4 throws that I can do consistently in a competition setting from multiple grips, stances, and in various directions. Whereas with bjj there's so much to learn it's almost paralysing but you can get to a pretty high level with a specific move in a couple months, of course that's not always very helpful in bjj because it's essential to have multiple moves you're good at in any given position so that you can set-up dilemmas for your opponent (this exists in judo too but because it tends to be more dynamic and explosive it's less important). I'd say from a judo player's perspective, you can really easily learn 4 or 5 bjj moves that will drastically improve your newaza but it's much harder to incorporate a judo heavy game in bjj because you have to think about the wrestling component in bjj. IMHO the best things to learn from judo for most bjj players is good gripping strategy and 2 or 3 solid but pretty simple throws like the various goshi-waza, osoto gari, ouchi gari, kosoto gari, various ashi-waza etc. It's also probably a good idea to get good at sumi gaeshi and guillotine because speaking from experience they comprise 90% of what I use against wrestling-heavy bjj guys.

Finally found a gym with Judo integrated with BJJ. Man learning correct form for the basic stuff it's crazy hard. Goes to show lot of work goes into Judo

@rhidiandavies1991

2 жыл бұрын

I've been doing judo for about 4 years now, and bjj roughly 3 years but much less frequently. Proabably 2-3 times a week for judo and 1-2 times a fortnight for bjj (haven't trained any bjj for the last couple months though). In my experience there's less to learn in judo but it takes absolutely AGES to perfect. It's taken me 4 years to get 3-4 throws that I can do consistently in a competition setting from multiple grips, stances, and in various directions. Whereas with bjj there's so much to learn it's almost paralysing but you can get to a pretty high level with a specific move in a couple months, of course that's not always very helpful in bjj because it's essential to have multiple moves you're good at in any given position so that you can set-up dilemmas for your opponent (this exists in judo too but because it tends to be more dynamic and explosive it's less important). I'd say from a judo player's perspective, you can really easily learn 4 or 5 bjj moves that will drastically improve your newaza but it's much harder to incorporate a judo heavy game in bjj because you have to think about the wrestling component on bjj. The best things to learn from judo for most bjj players is good gripping strategy and 2 or 3 solid but pretty simple throws like the various goshi-waza, osoto gari, various ashi-waza etc. I would advise getting good at sumi gaeshi and guillotine though because speaking from experience they're 90% of what I use against good freestyle wrestlers.

@EthanNoble

Жыл бұрын

Same. so much to learn but worth it

The Gracies didn't invent fighting on the ground. Judo had it way before. More Judo Schools need to make that known and teach a mix of stand up and newaza.

@kahytiyawolf9632

3 жыл бұрын

Jujitsu is actually older than Judo. But traditional Jujitsu is definitely way different than BJJ.

@kahytiyawolf9632

3 жыл бұрын

But yeah, I do agree with you. The Gracie's didn't invent ground fighting but they did get really good at it.

@elijahstark3663

3 жыл бұрын

@@kahytiyawolf9632 jujitsu is judo, weapons, and ground fighting. They are talking about bjj and judo. When people reference the Gracie lineage it’s about bjj.

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, no, they didn't, But it's foolish to pretend that they haven't brought an awful lot to the concept of ground fighting. And that through their popularization of it, things that you would have found in a few Kozen schools and Wigan at best, are now all over the world. The Gracie's as a family have their ups and downs, but BJJ has brought SO much to grappling in specific and combat sports in general. It's really rather hard to overstate their impact. And I'm very respectful and appreciative for those particular gains.

@keithhere5292

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-ho9io eddie bravo did more for jiujitsu than the gracies

Let's gooo!! Shintaro, I love your Podcast they are so fun to listen to, Thank you so much!

On the mats💯 loved it man thanks for this

You are both extremely talented practitioners and very humble teachers and students. I think one of the key elements to bridging the gaps is to teach people to be humble enough to go out and learn how to expand their stand-up/ground game skills and to commit to training out their weaknesses and filling in their knowledge/skill gaps. I'm fortunate enough to train BJJ and it was one of my training partners at that gym who opened my eyes to Judo. Easily my favorite guy to roll with because he has such a wealth of knowledge and so many different skills to share.

Very interesting conversation!

Awesome video!

Love this discussion - thank you so much for this interesting exchange. I am a 50 year old judo black belt coach who likes bjj as a way to still have fun without hurting so much after. But I found that bjj helped me coach ne-waza and I love the focus on technical detail in bjj. One thing in would add is that while the in technical detail of bjj is fascinating you often don't get the time in judo matches to do it. It's sthg to bear in mind when coaching.

Looking forward to this continued collaboration. I would love to see a “Best and Worst Judo and BJJ techniques/concepts for self defense.” Its clickbate-ish but it might help further the back turn throw/berimbolo conversation. 🙏🏽

Great content! in the spirit of Judo + XYZ I was curious how learning aikido and/or traditional JJ from your father has informed your grappling (if any). Looking forward to seeing this Judo BJJ collab! 💪

So excited for this. I'm a judo black belt who has recently started BJJ. I want a video on the "not being unidirectional" as well as "taking the back for Judo players" I'm noticing my tendency is to rely too much on my side control and not explore the option for taking the back... This is really useful stuff guys...

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

"I'm a judo black belt who just started BJJ" I used to HATE you guys. 😂👍🏽

@mathieurenaud7458

3 жыл бұрын

I'm also a judo BB who started BJJ a few years ago... best advice you can receive is stop passing/playing top and force yourself to play guard/bottom, You will absolutely get smashed but you will learn. This will feel awkward and you will have to fight your instincts to stand up and pass, but don't, and if you do, release it. This is the best way to change your mindset and focus on BJJ specific stuff.

@drjasonhughes

3 жыл бұрын

@@mathieurenaud7458 great advice... I actually gave up top position regularly last class for that very reason!

@mathieurenaud7458

3 жыл бұрын

@@drjasonhughes It's funny because now i'm known as a top pressure dude in BJJ and a guard player in judo ! >

@bzglick

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Nice discussion, from an old guy who practices both disciplines. My sensei, I think would describe this as big Judo. Everything that takes place not training

Great content gents. I’m looking forward to whatever you release. Suggested hashtag: #BJJisBasicallyJustJudo 😂

@helene8854

3 жыл бұрын

that's a really creative hashtag.

ooooh bridging gaps! I love this collab! It is so hot! Now to add some danaher and everything would be super :)

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

Just imagine the accent.

i like how Brian keeps bringing up his O soto gari and saying its not good even though Shintaro tells him it is. Because 1: I can notice his interest in the technique. a "beloved" technique is part of the charm. (it doesnt have to be your tokui waza) And 2: even though he is good, he knows and understands there is a lot more to it, even when it is the first technique you work on.

I’m cross training in Judo and BJJ. As a white belt in both, it’s fascinating to me how well they complement each other. I need to do some adaptions though. In BJJ people often adopt a rather defensive posture when doing tachi waza, so I need much more work to get to a favourable position.

I sure hope this is the first part of many ! Judoka and BJJ players have to sit and work together instead of snobing each other from afar...

I love how Shintaro basically tells Brian, “STFU with your self depreciation. You’re amazing!”

I live in central fl and I tried to open a dojo but retail space are so expensive and to me that is one thing that is killing the sport I know few coaches willing to teach but they all agree that to find the place it’s really expensive so at the end I decided to build a mat in my yard and teach my kids

@kahytiyawolf9632

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

Don't even begin to have any good suggestions, but good on you for trying. Good luck!

@daimlerblanco6218

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-ho9io in my own case I can’t afford to rent a place and to be honest I love judo since I was a little kid and we used to train on sand coz we didn’t have a mat at the age of 20 I open my first dojo in my own town Hershey located in cuba where I was born , I used grass and rice husk as a base and liner on top hahaha wasn’t the perfect but I love to teach so when I came to USA I met sensei William here in clermont fl he use to teach here but the landlord raised the bills and he moved to vero beach where he keeps teaching.you have to try but also you need money .thanks for replying.

@craigmiller7686

3 жыл бұрын

@@daimlerblanco6218 Was your Sensei William Andreas?

@daimlerblanco6218

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigmiller7686 yes he was my little kid sensei for a couple months but unfortunately he move to vero beach he is down there teaching class and something that got my attention was that there wasn’t to many kids attending class He told me that he was impressed when he went to cuba the way we train over there and here because of liability there’s a lot of things that you can’t do at least when you’re young coz I told him to put a rope so kids can climb which give you stronger grips but it is no allow .he is an amazing sensei and a humble person .the government should provide funds for this amazing beautiful sport .jiu-jitsu got more marketing than judo period even in ufc that talk about that but nobody talk about judo .

will this be a fanatics release or just on youtube?

Training BJJ for 3.5 years, Blue belt, I want to get into Judo soon or at least learn a few throws for my stand up; utchi Mata, Drop Sego neogi and basic hip toss. I actually wish I started Judo before BJJ so I would have my take downs already 😢

I am still in disbelief that we have judo and bjj. Both of them should be merged together as one art.

Turn throws don't work. True.

I'm coming from boxing to judo as a total grappling novice. Should I learn judo with my power hand forward or in my boxing stance that I'm already used to?

@mmongiello722

3 жыл бұрын

You may be getting ahead of yourself.

@HittokiriBatosai

3 жыл бұрын

@@mmongiello722 can you elaborate? Day 1, they're gonna ask me if I'm left or right handed. Don't see what I'm getting ahead of.

@hanaf4123

3 жыл бұрын

Are you orthodox or southpaw? Im a righty in judo but orthodox in boxing🤣

@HittokiriBatosai

3 жыл бұрын

@@hanaf4123 I'm left handed. Southpaw in boxing, TBD in judo haha

@jsl8461

3 жыл бұрын

​@@HittokiriBatosai Your choice, try both sides to see which throwing mechanics and which gripping strategies fit you better. It's not like boxing where it is almost universally desirable to have a really strong, fast, and accurate rear straight -- even if that means using your "bad" hand to jab and hook. There are a few fighters like De La Hoya who have their dominant hand in front, but it's very rare. In Judo, it's not clear which is "ideal". Maybe you really love getting your dominant hand on their collar for control and defense, or maybe you really love getting it on their sleeve for throwing power. Maybe you are right hand dominant but left leg dominant, or vice versa, and whether you focus more on hands or legs depends on your judo. When it comes to legs, both legs are doing really important jobs -- one is providing you with stability and base, the other is hunting for the opponent's legs or lifting them off the mat. If you're a seoi-nage person then maybe the grip fighting is more important to you than your legs. If you're an uchi-mata or osoto-gari person, then maybe your legs are going to be a bigger factor in which stance you use. It all boils down to personal preference. That being said, the vast majority of beginner judo competitors will lead with their dominant hand, so left hand / left leg forward people will have an advantage at low levels of competition, just like in boxing. However, in international judo, the split is much more even, so as you get more and more competitive, that "southpaw advantage" basically disappears, unlike in boxing.

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#thatshitdontworkonme

Isnt the kimura legal in judo?

@AljosaPLampe

3 жыл бұрын

It is. Kimura and americana are classified as the same technique in judo under the name ude garami- arm entanglement

@kahytiyawolf9632

3 жыл бұрын

That's weird, definitely different techniques.

@AljosaPLampe

3 жыл бұрын

@@kahytiyawolf9632 not really. I mean the mechanics are the same, the only change is in direction

@benkeating3053

3 жыл бұрын

@@kahytiyawolf9632 there are various forms of ude garami.

@srali7609

2 жыл бұрын

@@kahytiyawolf9632 its the same technique

What, a BKK black belt instructor says he cannot pull O soto gari reliably? That is a shame, for real. About oseikomis not being useful in BJJ... well, if you do them well you can just exhaust your opponent because he has difficultis breathing and has to fight to pull a escape, then you can go for a submission, more considering how BJJ promotes stalling and not doing anything.

So many ads

Now I really want to see his Osoto gari.

#JudoBolo

Hashtag idea: #bjjisjustjudobutbetter or #bjjisjustcowardlyjudo 🤣🤣🤣🤣

There is no gap, Bjj is Judo it just developed in a other direction due to the different rulesets. I believe that dont matter what you train nobody(beside your Master or your training partners) may hinder your development it the opposite areas . Me myself after years of Bjj , starting to value Stand up game so much more than in the beginning. Were i was fascinated with guard game. Now I would love to kill people in the stand up and it is much more easy on the Body if you the one on the Top. Everyone who asks me how he gets so good in the guard, i tell him not to do it, cause after 4 years of being almost purely a guard gamer , my hip is done and my knees also. Cant speak for the judo side and what injuries accur here , but i know for a fact that our topgame Players dont have this issues at all . Longevity is always better than some Gold medals , or do some fancy moves out of the guard. To say it in the words of Mr. Wiltse '' DO FKN CROSSTRAIN''!!!

I'm not watching this video (and I tried lol), even though I really like Shintaro and love the page here. I'm not watching the video because it's a waste of time, BJJ and Judo will almost never be bridged. Two completely different demographics/ types of people enter those 2 fields, for very different reasons. Judo people are Physical, athletic, actual ATHLETES, who would do very well in other sports. BJJ people are LITERALLY the opposite. They gravitate to BJJ because it DOESN'T require athleticism, speed, strength, power, explosiveness, timing, reflexes, natural fighting instincts, etc, etc etc. They do it because it's easy, and easy to learn and easy to survive in (within their sport and rules). They can't compete or survive in other areas, sports or styles of fighting, so they go to BJJ. That's the main reason, there's one other politically incorrect reason that I won't name right now. With that said, BJJ people usually can't LEARN the above things, even when its attempted to be taught to them. Judo people and any other athlete can EASILY learn bjj and have a much higher ceiling to reach and dominate in that area/ sport. The same can not be said about BJJ going to any other sport or activity (that requires actual athleticism and etc). Rarely, very rarely, we see a small few go into MMA/ UFC....and they only do well against other BJJ'ers, and others who can't fight (like them lol). They don't dominate MMA anymore, simply because the reason they did at one time was because people weren't AWARE of bjj and weren't expecting someone to approach them with that type of fighting style. Imagine someone with the 1st boxing jab, getting into a fight with you. They'd kill you LOL...........with a jab lol. And even that isn't the best analogy because even though people are aware of Jabs now, many people STILL can't defend against a very good jab. This is not the case with BJJ. Lastly, BJJ'ers, the majority of them won't (and don't, and don't want to) even TRY to learn skilled judo techniques, because they know they don't have the athleticism for it. And don't have the other mental attributes to want to stick around and continue to work at it. Instead, if you look on KZread now, you'll see many videos on BJJ'ers wanted to learn/ teaching, "judo takedowns for bjj", and other very very low level, low skilled, low athleticism, timing, power, physical ability- types of takedowns. That's all they want to try to learn, and for those that do want to try, that's all they are ABLE to learn. So it just IS what it is. Judo people need to turn their back on BJJ'ers, they don't respect or care about your system and culture, and only want to leach of of and use you, that's the most of the relationship they have with Judo. If I were the head of Judo, I would instruct all Judoka's to stop dealing with them lol. Seriously. Take care and God bless.

@rhidiandavies1991

2 жыл бұрын

This is the most bizarre and inaccurate rant I've ever had the misfortune of reading. I have no interest in having a discussion with you becasue, frankly, you seem a little unhinged. Instead I hope that anyone new to either style of grappling reads this reply and realises how moronic and ignorant your comment is. I'm a judo player of about 4 years. I've been cross training bjj periodically in that time but much less frequently than judo. BJJ is NOT unathletic, and to suggest so only reveals how clueless this individual is. Yes judo is very explosive and athletic (especially at the top level) but anyone that's gone 100% in bjj can tell you it's every bit as draining as a judo match. You only need look at the physiques of many bjj player to realise that athleticism isn't exactly lacking in bjj. The reason bjj is popular isn't because it's "easy" as this person suggests, it's because it's fashionable, like karate was in the 80s and 90s. Doing bjj as a judo player will only improve your newaza (ground fighting). Doing judo as a bjj player will only improve your tachiwaza (standup fighting). I doubt this guy is even a judoka since I've never heard anyone in judo have such an ignorant intolerant outlook on anything let alone a similar sport/art. They also suggest that there's a "head of judo" that can apparently instruct all judoka to "stop dealing" with bjj players (lol) which is another not so subtle clue that this person has maybe done 3 judo classes in their life. Please ignore this person and try whichever sport/art you want, preferably both if you can find the time and injuries allow.

Apperently the first step to bridging the arts is to deleting my comments.

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

Suck less and magically that'll happen less.

@mmongiello722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-ho9io how articulate

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

@@mmongiello722 I am the very soul of wit. Appropriate to the audience.

@mmongiello722

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently irony is missed on your wit.

@Jay-ho9io

3 жыл бұрын

@@mmongiello722 yo dice que lo que dice. "Appropriate to the audience"