I was married and pregnant with my first child at 32. I was also working on my PhD and actually had one professor on my committee suggest I get an abortion. Of course, I was horrified and assumed she was just a very damaged woman. (She had gotten one to further her career, she told me.) But later I had other female grad students ask me how I had the guts to have a baby while getting my PhD. They said they feared their advisors would kick them out of the program if they got pregnant, although several were married and in their thirties, too. I said I’d sue the university for sexual discrimination if anyone tried it. To be fair, my advisor was amazing and fully supportive and also a man with several kids. But thinking back it sickens me the treatment I received from fellow women. Fortunately, I’ve always had a rebellious streak and didn’t think twice about their opinions. Long story short, I now have a PhD and a son. My son is the best thing that has ever happened to me. No career or degree or prestige could come close to the daily joy he brings me!

@eefgilbert9468

Жыл бұрын

I sat in class at uni having to listen to how children destroy your life. Having a daughter of three myself, which she knew because she came to class with me sometimes, I asked her how so. I got told, not for you. You are different…. Hmmmm where have we heard that before. 🤦‍♀️

@MrJimmy3459

Жыл бұрын

You have to be a sick individual to suggest such a personal decision like that.....

@Angelum_Band

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. You have my respect.

@alfaeco15

Жыл бұрын

You got two PhD actually, maybe even three when you rejected the advise of those women recommending an abortion.

@brightatsunorvienyo1196

Жыл бұрын

God bless you for being firm!

Nothing more fundamentally important than teaching kids the value of family

@FreeSpirit47

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice if more people believed that. Even nicer if people who believe that will speak up. Although I was a stay-at-home mother to 4 children, people constantly demeaned me, starting with my husband. My workdays never ended & I loved being with my children. I home schooled my 4 children. To fill in economically, I made all bread products the family ate. Any bread product that the family needed or wanted, I hand made it. Cooking from scratch is mostly less costly than using mixes. In the evenings & Saturdays, I taught needlework & sewing classes. When our family lived in Europe, I made custom wedding dresses for the American women who couldn't afford to go back to the USA to shop. Some were afraid that because of the language barrier, they might not be able to buy the dress of their dreams. I taught all 4 of my children, 3 daughters & a son, to be good cooks, to know how to sew, clean their house, do their own laundry. Also, I taught my children how to change a tire on a car, how to put gas in a car & how to change their own oil. In addition, I taught my kiddos how to treat people who serve in public places, with courtesy. To see them as hard working people who may be a single parent, might have 2 other jobs to support their family or someone who is in college or saving up for it, so they work to exhaustion. When I went to social events with the man I was married to & people would ask me what I "did" he would speak loudly, to drown out my reply, with, "Oh her? She's just a housewife." As many Times as I let him know that it hurt me when he did it & told him to stop. He would do it again. My sister-in-law told me that I was lazy for sitting at home doing nothing instead of working hard to help the family. There are more examples. This comment is already quite long.

@anonymousnation5235

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The society is collapsing because both genders are going their own way and completely alone.

@FreeSpirit47

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousnation5235 The collapse will happen very slowly if at all. There are still so many women who, even though they are devalued by many including their husband, still choose to be at home with their children. Something that I have heard from some of these women is this. Their husbands see how the household is run so smoothly. The children are happy & thriving, the home is organized, clean, etc. They only see the results, not realizing the work it takes to keep it that way. They begin pressuring their wife to "get a job" or "go to work". Most women will just refuse. However, some of them, under such pressure, do seek employment outside the home. When this happens, they either have to work at 2 full time or one full. one part job. The quality of life goes down in the home, the children are less supervised, the mother is exhausted as she tries to keep up the standard of living that the children enjoyed before she was pressured to work outside the home. At this point, if she quits the outside job to go back to giving the hubby & child(ren) the quality of life they had enjoyed for so many years, she gets a lot of push back from the hubby. It's a terrible quandary. I was one that stood up. I did work outside the home for a year. Then, leaving the outside employment, I spent the next 2 years getting the home back to its former order., going to counseling with my children as they had developed some issues that I didn't notice as I was either not there, too busy & tired or simply didn't notice their distress. The hubby was angry with me for going back to being "just a housewife". He met up with a woman whom he had gone to HS with at a HS reunion. When I saw the emails between them, I was so hurt & shocked. She was married, was going to start hiding her assets from her husband before leaving him. On his part, he wanted to wait until our youngest child turned 18 so he could, in his words, "dump the lazy b**ch" so that he didn't have to pay child support to me. That gave me 4 years to plan. What he didn't know is that I saw the deterioration of the marriage, I had begun, not planning, I began preparing just in case. When he & I were married 9 & 1/2 years, I asked him if he would like to do a vow renewal for our 10th wedding anniversary. He told me that he didn't see it as anything to celebrate. That was my cue. I beat him to the punch, when I saw that he was planning to dump me, the mother of his 4 children. There is a lot more to it (there always is) I moved out as he refused to & I didn't want to put my children through h the trauma of being removed by a sheriff. I had saved up cash, non-perishable foods. I had bought gold bullion. I was set for the next 5 years. 3 years if I chose to sit on my butt & do nothing as he had said of me to his girlfriend. I paid financially for the divorce while HE played the martyr, cried in public that I had left him, was cheating on him etc etc. My children wouldn't have much to do with me for the next 3 years as they believed their fathers portrayal of me as the bad person who destroyed their happy home. I left him for my own peace of mind & protection. There was no other man until 6 months after the divorce was final. This was one huge reason why so many women refuse to live the life of a stay-at-home mother, keeping the marital bed hot, their children happy, the home tidy & organized. I went to a 13 week course where it was 75% women who had done as I had done, who were in pain, trying to figure out how to be single, again, how to work through the pain of divorce. This is why so many women choose to work outside the home from the start, raising their children on fast food & meals that are microwaved or are, in bulk, from a store-bought mix.

@anonymousnation5235

Жыл бұрын

@@FreeSpirit47 it IS hard for women to work and take care of household at the same time. My elder sister does this and she's exhausted every single day. That's a bold step you took for your peace. It's gonna pay big time. More power to you ❤

@FreeSpirit47

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousnation5235 Thank you for your supportive comment. It seemed so pointless that I was working outside the home. The man I was married to started buying fast food or take out for meals, he wouldn't supervise our childrens schoolwork so that suffered, also. He took the easy way that ate up any money I made. He also told me that I was "All used up, after 4 babies" that I had to stay with him because he believed no man would want a woman who was "all used up." He tried to scare me with telling me that I was going to fall flat on my face & beg him to take me back. It was very scary, at first. I had never lived alone in my entire life, I had several panic attacks. I made myself adjust. He told me that all I was good for was a drive thru window or janitor work that would make me ugly. Having a natural gift for learning other languages, I began privately teaching ESL, one on one. I never advertised; the clients found me on recommendation from other clients. At the time I spoke, read & wrote 4 languages at a native level. A 19 year old Japanese girl whose English was passable, wanted to improve. Her father owned a company that he wanted her to manage. She was very bright, hated the way people smiled and joked about her pronunciation of English words & phrases. I worked with her for a year, her father paid me well, helped me financially. Cut to present day. I speak 6 languages, now, making 6 figures, translating & interpreting for an international company. The ex husband married his girlfriend, whom, my children hate as she treats him the same way he treated me.

If you do not want the career to be the most important thing to people, regardless of their sex, you should have society where people with less than ideal career are still able to afford good life, good housing and good food.

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

I love u

@kellyyork3898

11 ай бұрын

In my opinion, Peterson is a very confused man.

Back in 1960 my mother was abandoned by my dad, leaving her with a grade 8 education and two small kids to raise. No education, no skills to speak of and with full responsibility for keeping us alive......and that is why women need to have a career or some sort of employable skill levels, because life is fickle, men can be fickle too and women might be left to do it on their own. So the bitching about 'women being lied to' about having a career isn't as loud as the bitching by society, about having to support all those single mothers who (without careers) are potentially doomed to poverty and kids who fail to succeed.

@darkangel10001000

Жыл бұрын

Well, I do believe the solution to that problem is the rate of abandonment needs to go down. Men need to stop having children with women they don't want to support for the rest of their lives. And women need to stop having children with men that won't stay with them. Easier said than done I know but this is the reason why marriage is supposed to be sacred. Why women historically don't have sex until they were married. I don't think Peterson is saying educating women is bad for society. Quite the opposite. He's often said the best thing for a country to get out of poverty is to have an educated population. That includes women.

@huggybear2789

Жыл бұрын

The world doesn't rotate on anecdotal stories and exceptions to the verified statistical data.

@freedomfxrst

Жыл бұрын

If your mother has a career you wouldn’t be alive most likely. She sacrificed everything to raise you and if you ask her now I think she would say it was worth it.

@huggybear2789

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfxrst Facts! 💯

@remrealm5908

Жыл бұрын

Marriage doesn't save a woman from being abandoned by a man/husband. Also people expect women to be fortune tellers to be able to see in the future when and should a man become abusive or abandons his duty as a husband/father. It's not realistic and people can change for the worse over time or show their true nature, this doesn't seem to be required of men and it's not right.

Lol nobody is telling women that their career is everything. It's the freedom and financial independence that count, mostly recommended to them by their moms, aunts, and grandmothers who didn't have that luxury. Never had a woman in my family tell me to focus on marriage and children first. Their advice was always to prioritize education and financial freedom.

@lotusleila5281

Жыл бұрын

They knew what they were talking about. Its the best advice to give to young women today as most men are not willing and even less able to take responsibility for a family. Bitter truth but vital to realize and vital for survival and emotional stability of a woman today in our western society.

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@SA-th3ey

Жыл бұрын

@Adam Dolson Having freedom and living your life the way you want without depending on the mercy of someone else is much better than some dumb arbitrary ego booster about bloodline continuation that doesn't put bread on the table or protect you from abuse. You'll be forgotten after 2 generations anyway so who cares about your disease-ridden genes?

@padlily2485

Жыл бұрын

@@lotusleila5281 so then what about the future generation? Would it be better for them to be raised in daycares and babysitters than their own mothers because women decided that their careers come first?

@padlily2485

Жыл бұрын

If the women in your life taught you to value a career first above all else, then you were taught that your career was everything. You just admitted their point.

If you grow up in an abusive dysfunctional family, you make the decision not to have kids very early. In my case at age 10. I didn't need "society" or Patriarchy to tell me, I knew nothing about those things at that age.

@gtothereal

Жыл бұрын

You’ll soon change your mind. Say hello to 30 for me. Lol

@apebass2215

Жыл бұрын

@@gtothereal the woman you're answering looks like she's of menopausal age.

@gtothereal

Жыл бұрын

@Celtic girl studies show women over 40 are the most unhappy they’ve been in a hundred years. Studies also show the majority of childless women regret it.

@gtothereal

Жыл бұрын

@@apebass2215 then she’s already lying to herself.

@apebass2215

Жыл бұрын

@@gtothereal I doubt a 50+ woman is lying to herself at this point. I think you need to stop lying to yourself about the motivations of others, male or female. People can diverge from expected or standard life paths and still be happy with their choices.

Society has duped women into thinking that pushing a pencil in a cubicle and making faceless stockholders even richer is more noble and rewarding than giving birth to life and raising a loving family.

@FreeSpirit47

Жыл бұрын

Being "duped" as your comment suggests, is far safer than letting yourself become dependent on a man who might continue to see your value. He might choose see someone else's value then leave her to raise the children, struggle to keep the bills paid, assuming the role of mother AND father. Sure, there are single fathers who are forced into this situation. Mostly, it's women who are left to pick up the pieces.

@elbretto6062

Жыл бұрын

@@FreeSpirit47 The solution is neither to sell one's soul to a corporation nor to marry a materialist. A woman should follow her career of interest so long as the interest is meaningful and not based on materialism or pure competition. This way she can be independent if necessary without becoming a slave to fruitless labor. But if she doesn't marry a materialist then she won't need to be particularly worried that her spouse will take advantage of her monetary value. It is not so difficult to spot a materialist...

@FreeSpirit47

Жыл бұрын

@@elbretto6062 These lessons are for men or women. Unfortunately, many people only learn them later in life or not at all. These are life lessons taught must be taught starting when a child is very small, that is, if they will listen & continue to listen when they grow to the teen age years, then, into their 20s. Most people of that age think they are invincible & know everything. Fortunately, I listened to some of what was said to me. Also, that I began preparing when he became abusive. Having a gift for speaking other languages, I was fluent at a native level in 4 languages, I taught myself 2 more. I'm grateful to have gotten on this career path, translating & interpreting. I truly love it, it feels more like play than work, for me. I work from home, online. I work when I want, loving what I do, I feel very fortunate. The company I work for certified me, will continue to certify me. They treat me well, appreciate my expertise, pay me very well. Holiday bonuses are also very nice. I have more freedom, more peace, more happiness & more money than I have ever had in my entire life. Investing, budgeting & saving, I can do this for the rest of my life. If I felt like I didn't want to do it anymore. my investments & savings would carry me. Buying gold bullion is a good investment that only increases in value.

@stryk3r

Жыл бұрын

@@FreeSpirit47 the latter wouldnt occur if our society as a whole did not stray from God as the years progress

@MyUserTubeAccount

Жыл бұрын

@Brenda B our society isn't suffering from men leaving their wives, our society is suffering from women leaving their husbands. so your warning was a bit spurious, no?

Women want both children and careers, but it's extremely hard in this society to have them both, so they sacrifice one or the other. So, society should support women to have both children and fulfilling careers. It's that simple. Also, having a child is fulfilling emotionally, but having a career, creating something that feels important, having financial independence and freedom fulfills people on so many different levels. Women should not be confined to their biological destiny. That is why they need to be supported to have both. Women SHOULD be treated differently than men, they should be supported to have both children and careers. Women who do this without the help of society and even in spite of what society offers are friggin HEROES.

The most important decision anyone can make in their lives is not about a career or child but who you will partner with. Having a good partner with kids or without kids is what will make the biggest difference in your life! And the life of your child if you decide to have one. In addition I’m glad I have a career it gives you freedom and independence and that’s priceless!

Reaching a crisis point is a great way of putting it. I spent all my 20s chasing success in my career (several actually, as it's often the case with Millenials). I kept changing jobs every few years believing there was something out there for me that I was deeply passionate about but I just hadn't figured out what it was yet. And surprise, surprise, a few years ago I found myself on the wrong side of 30 and with the gut-wrenching realization I had nothing to show for almost a decade of hard work. I haven't achieved a lot professionally and focusing so much of my energy on finding my "passion" at work, I've actually only had a few superficial relationships. I'm now scrambling to find a semi-decent human being for a partner and living in a humongous city, all I can do is pretty much bounce from one dating app to another. I can't stress enough how right Dr Peterson is here. I'm not talking about the women who never wanted to have kids and knew it in their bones. I mean, all the rest of us dummies, who've always wanted a family but we bought into the lie we had time. And the truth of the matter is, you don't have time. At least sort out your relationship status. If you have a good partner next to you, you can put off having children. But just don't let it be that you wake up one day at 30 and you have no children, AND no partner in sight either. Trust me, it's not fun and if I am blessed to have children, I know I'll never do what my mother did in my 20s. Ironically, she spent all that time insisting I had to make it professionally and that should be my #1 priority and having children and a husband could wait. Now all she does is tell me she fears I'll never get married and it's all my fault because I blew my 20s and I should've married by now.

@snezhanakiseleva1288

Жыл бұрын

But being married is not a guarantee to happiness. I’m sure if you met a right partner, you would consider it. But if you didn’t, why settle? You chose to work on yourself and your career, and to actually find out what you really want in life. If you want a family, you can still build one. Plus getting married in your 20s doesn’t mean you won’t get a divorce in your 40s. Having a partner doesn’t imply happily ever after. 30 is still a pretty good age to move to a new city, build new friendships, family, succeed in your career.

@MarySilva94

Жыл бұрын

@@snezhanakiseleva1288 but that's exactly the thing, building a family is time and resource consuming, time, we woman don't have in abundance. That is exactly the lie of modern society "you can still have a family later in your career or in your mid thirties" but our biological clock ticks differently. I'm not saying you can't have a family in your mid thirties but when neither a partner nor an opportunity to have and nourish a family is in sight.. time is running out. That's why women who are passionate about having a family should consider that earlier on in their life plan. I deeply regret only thinking about my career, now I find myself at Peterson's mentioned turning point with an unstable long-distance relationship (overseas) and with no base to actually have a family despite climbing the academic ladder. 😬 It can be rough..buuut I highly agree with what u said: marriage does not equal eternal happiness. In fact: if u just marry for the sake of marriage chances are high that u could end up unhappy in the long run. I see that alot in my family 😐

@alexiscorrigan1765

Жыл бұрын

30 isnt old. you still have time.

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

That's where all the good women went, your mom seems harsh btw, thank you for sharing the truth. Now ask yourself, now that you've invested your twenties in a career rather than a man, can you invest your career in a family and marry a stay at home dad? Why or why not, you would have the career to support him by now, kids need a 100% full time adult to care for them for the first four years or so of life, 2/3 of career minded individuals are women these days and only 1/3 are men, so are women ready for complete role reversal? Curious times. I'm a 30 male mechanical engineer grinded a career through my twenties, all the women I encountered were like you, they didn't want anything serious just fun and wanted to focus on school, I wanted something serious though, and now I'm not sure I do anymore...

Good lord, thank you. I had this shoved so hard on me, career career career, and kept rebelling, but the level of shaming and devaluing of my life was also very damaging. Despite marriage to a very successful man, I have been treated like I failed in "the mission" since the moment I chose to marry and have my first child. Especially by other women! It truly needs to stop. There's nothing wrong with being a stay at home mom, and we need to reclaim that level of sanity that once reigned.

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

You must see they are envious of you, males and females alike, you got the night in shining armor, Queen! Best to you and your family.

Another lie is, raising kids isn't a career. it is, in fact it's one of the toughest ones ever! kids are terrifying! 😂

@freedomfxrst

Жыл бұрын

As hard is it is undoubtedly I always felt it’s the best job in the world. The happiest people I’ve seen are mothers with great kids because of the love she’s been able to give them

@Sanguinarius9999

Жыл бұрын

One of the harder jobs to do well, one of the easiest jobs to do badly

@michaelsage9307

Жыл бұрын

It's hard because there is no external reward

@Narko_Marko

Жыл бұрын

@@kc6810 if you just want to be happy get some drugs.

@yoonahkang7384

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but they dont pay ypu

My parents duped me. Not society. I found the whole college & a career thing overrated. Plus it gave me a nervous breakdown.

@happysocks953

Жыл бұрын

A brave and bold statement. Hope you recovered from the battle with mental health issues which is a struggle. 🙏

@SC-gw8np

Жыл бұрын

Feel the same way. I’ve never been docile enough to pursue a career.

It's called women finally having a choice! Some women choose to have children and others do not want to have children. Men also have this choice. I think what's important is contributing to society positively.

@freedomfxrst

Жыл бұрын

The best gift you can give Society is to bring life into this world and raise them to be good, kind hearted human beings. The power to conceive life, to raise another human and allow them to experience life the same way you were blessed with life. It’s a beautiful cycle.

@ThiefOfNavarre

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Contributing positively to those already around you is more important than some biological desire to reproduce. Some of the best parents and teachers I know do not have their own children and some of the worst individuals I know have dozens of them as an extention of their ego.

@kart1372

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfxrst I don't want to gift a gift to the society. How about that?

@pragmaticpoet

Жыл бұрын

If someone sincerely does not want to be a parent, how good of a parent would the be? And there are healthy reasons that someone would be hesitant to be a parent - like, they were very abused growing up and are hesitant that they would not be healed enough from a toxic childhood family to be able to than be a healthy parent themself... so they gracefully bow out to ensure they do not replicate the damage they experienced.

@KellieatLarge

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

Society should provide the mechanisms and guidance so women and men for that matter can do what they want. There should not be a requirement to have children if a women does not want children. But it requires a village to raise a child so there should be proper support. For the first time the current generation is not expected to out live their parents and this generation is expected to be poor than their parents. Why would anyone want to raise a child in this current world. The fact that so few people want to have children is an indictment of society and not for the reasons portraited here., we need to do better.

@josephpurdy8390

Жыл бұрын

Nations amassing trillons of dollars in debt. Does not offer much incentive to have children that will be responsible for paying it off. The sad part is most of society does not benefit from this. Its uncontested slavery in which, you have obligations to others made by the few.

@criticalthinker8007

Жыл бұрын

@@josephpurdy8390 Agreed. The UK and US government reports as well as independent reports show that quantitative easing does nothing for the over all economy and makes the top 10% of wealth people $168,000 richer.

I will never understand the need for such a debate. It is a choice. Choice is the quintessential aspect of freedom. Some women want to have kids, others don't. Period. Among my friends I have those who have created a great family while at the same time following (and even thriving) their careers and others who are not interested in forming a family and focus on other stuff. There are women who want to have kids but their financial status won't allow it. Having kids just for the sake of reproduction is totally stupid. I am in favour of quality, not quantity. If a person can have a happier life surrounded by kids, then he/she must form a family no matter what society tells them. If not, then there is no reason to even talk about it. Having kids just for the sake of "reproduction" without any control over it (or even quality), is something we find in medical science and it is called "cancer". As a man, I can't be talking on behalf of any woman but from the things I've seen from relatives and friends, happiness comes in many forms. And one must be happy no matter what society wants. Wether it is a family or a career.

What confuses me about Jordan's Motherly Philosophy is he supposes all the Women still have these high paying 9 to 5 jobs and can afford Nannies. That's not really being there for your kids...you show up at the end of day...make them dinner, help them with their homework or play for an hour or so and put them to Sleep. Most women have mediocre jobs and to even pay a Daycare takes most their Salary. How heartbreaking to hand your Baby over to virtual stranger all day to raise your Child...how Heartbreaking to stay home and be left in dust while your peers climb the corporate ladder! I hate this modern world!

@davidcramb5793

Жыл бұрын

You're so right. Sometimes, I wonder if the whole "you can have it all" wasn't the biggest con in history. Or has raising a family always been a heartbreaking struggle for most of the time?

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcramb5793 The latter. If we would only be gut wrentchingly honest...

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

The problem is the Industrial Revolutions: money is god. We think we are better off, when in actuality, we are worse!! Life is a crapshoot, but when we bring children in the mix, it becomes an issue of morality.

@davidcramb5793

Жыл бұрын

@Deirdre Morris , but as the father of a 17 year old, I can see it was worth the sacrifice.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcramb5793 Clarify please. Was Your sacrifice worth raising a child? Is your child happy you brought him/her into this world? How does your partner feel about it?

I threw my career on the pyre of my husband’s that dragged us all over our nation and all around the globe. For many many years I was bitter and resentful about this but finally I am old and wise and at peace. I had 4 children by the time I was 34 and they and my grandchildren are my legacy. Sane, content, well balanced useful members of society 🥰

@raze956

Жыл бұрын

"Sane, content, well balanced useful members of society" i am none of that. and i am aware that there are plenty of others like me. congratulations to you for your success, but i wonder what the number are, like the ratio between sane and useful members of society and distraught, unsuccessful people. i wonder what happens if the balance tips too much.

@margaritanoir

Жыл бұрын

@Na Me you sound sane and intelligent enough to spot your issues so you can correct them. First step is to not inflict on others any pain and evilness like what was inflicted on you. Instead when you focus on what's good and even help those around you that are truly nice and selfless then, you heal yourself too. At start you might not feel very different other than the occasional satisfaction of the fact that you're making a positive difference but long term it changes your life. It's like brushing your teeth. The more you brush on daily basis the whiter and shinier they get. By doing healthy things and being around healthy people you heal too.

Having a career is better then getting married and pregnant just to find out your spouse is cheating, closet gay or planning to leave you.

I’m lucky to have both, a child and a career. I get fulfillment from both roles. I’m also lucky to have a supportive husband. We married young and waited to have financial stability before having a kid. No regrets.😅

@sunsetanimator4187

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s good balance, but I’m definitely too scared to have kids though 😅, I wish there were more comments like this

I wish the women that did want to start a family wouldn’t get lumped into this conversation. It’s disheartening to constantly hear that you are running out of time and your misery will catch up to you when you are just a single woman trying to find a decent man to marry,let alone start a family with. It’s hard to find a man that shares your values. 30year old men are no more mature and ready than 20 year old men.

@skyereave9454

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily true but I can appreciate why you might say so. Finding similar values is a difficult thing.

@afei4989

Жыл бұрын

Then let the successful responsible men marry more, he can provide for, care for, few more women. And I'm not kidding...

@BOZ_11

Жыл бұрын

@@afei4989 women share anyway. they're in a digital harem called dating apps. 20% of men get all the cat

@user-lt1jd1ye3v

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, 26 years old been looking since I was 23, exact same boat :)

@Yomel123

Жыл бұрын

You only need sperm to have a baby. Many women are pairing up with platonic friends to have kids. It’s very hard to find a decent man that you can actually trust

Can have a career turned to Have to Have a career. Screw that. But that’s how this country raised the GDP. This is the result; few pensions, women being disparaged for wanting children, households now require two salaries, and schools are raising and indoctrinating our children. I didn’t fight for this.

There is no end to making money but there is an end to life...

Thank God some women became doctors, nurses and researchers as women's medicine didn't change enough until these women pointed out women's needs were valid and different. For instance...

@Dancestar1981

Жыл бұрын

@Rasmus Svedin actually for some women there actually isn’t

@Yomel123

Жыл бұрын

@Rasmus Svedin a woman can have kids after 30 if she wants to. And studies show single childless women are the happiest. You realize you can’t get women to settle and believe she needs a man right? Y’all need new tactics. How about being better humans, cause as of now women don’t want men at all anymore

@Aquos2000

Жыл бұрын

​@Rasmus Svedin Live in misery?! “ In general”. Hmm…that’s a bit strong. Maybe a JP description. I think you’re right in terms of the ‘putting the career over children. A reckoning comes. But if one see’s both…deeply, honours both deeply, then it can happen. It’s when the child is neglected at anytime. That would be the issue.

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

I love the USA, I love working side by side with women instead of slaving away for them while they chill at home in jammies, I feel liberated, I feel equal, thanks feminism.

you can have both, we teach PEOPLE that they CAN have a career, and that they dont NEED a children to create value. What is wrong with that?

@ItsWorkingTogetherForMyGood

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. We all have value. Childbearing doesn't give one value

I have just a year or two to live, I will be sad to leave this beautiful blue green planet the loving creator gave us to enjoy, but I will be glad to get away from the male cruelty that runs it.

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

I love the USA, I love working side by side with women instead of slaving away for them while they chill at home in jammies, I feel liberated, I feel equal, thanks feminism.

Very few have the courage to even suggest that women are spoiled.

@mau345

Жыл бұрын

Because the person will look stupid and thus be ridiculed? Huh, makes sense

For the men watching this: it’ll encourage women to opt out of this game if you become men of high worth: exercise, dress well, care your appearance, and try to be charismatic

@asdfgoogle

Жыл бұрын

Lol. None of that is as important as $$$$$. Why would a woman work when they have no need? I mean, ultimately. Sure, people can get certain satisfactions from work, such as friends, but they can have friends and a family. It comes down to the mind of the woman and the stability of the man. Nothing more, provided they are otherwise compatible.

@jeremyg591

Жыл бұрын

@@zxcbxfjyj423 I hope you and your husband create a great happy family!

@pragmaticpoet

Жыл бұрын

All external validation marketing of narcissistic 'success' marketing

@jeremyg591

Жыл бұрын

@@pragmaticpoet What do you mean? If you want any influence on others, it helps to be charismatic and attractive because we are still animals with a subconscious that reacts to stimuli involuntarily.

@pragmaticpoet

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyg591 it means you value more external validation which is superficial and fleeting than inner depth and core values = narcissism

The biological clock starts ticking, and it makes perfect sense. It is silly to deny that the human race has almost irresistible drive to reproduce, and that perpetuation of the species is a STRONG factor in the lives of women, sometimes even in spite of themselves. Bodies are built for it. Hormones are invested in it. Emotions are all tangled up within it. The desire for love and intimacy and physical bonding are the natural precursors to that end result. Why some people are so hellbent on denying it is beyond me.

@joygibbons5482

Жыл бұрын

And our economic systems take little or no notice of this, so it’s moot. Become a mother and accept penury or prostitution. That’s the reality for most women, and guess what, they are voting with their feet by choosing to work. Society has reaped what it has sowed

@annaz2349

Жыл бұрын

Well it doesn't matter what the biological clock shows, we live in a society, where many women are now infertile in their 20s (because of government poisoning), so it's a very superficial view from you....when we live in corrupt society you can't expect a woman to ignore the corruption, it's just stupid.

@dodieodie498

Жыл бұрын

@@annaz2349 That has little to do with what I wrote. Deny it as you will. Believe as you wish.

Family very important ❤️❤️❤️

Thank you

Most men know they have jobs not careers.

I love when an old man tells women how they should live.

@ggez3993

Жыл бұрын

Yes because he has experience and women don't know what they want

@EVZimora

Жыл бұрын

What an ignorant response.

@ggez3993

Жыл бұрын

@@EVZimora +ratio

@the_antiquark

Жыл бұрын

The man is not a even a psychiatrist. This is simply an attempt to support his conservative worldview.

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

I love the USA, I love working side by side with women instead of slaving away for them while they chill at home in jammies, I feel liberated, I feel equal, thanks feminism.

I'm glad society is breaking away from the "women must be pregnant and barefoot" for a certain number of years of their lives. I'm happily married without children and not having any kids is one of the best choices we each made (before we met, cause you can't compromise on that).

@isay207

Жыл бұрын

Exactly why bring someone into this world to suffer

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@StormShadowGFX Life is a crapshoot. There is no easy answer.

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

I love the USA, I love working side by side with women instead of slaving away for them while they chill at home in jammies, I feel liberated, I feel equal, thanks feminism.

Most the problems people present when it comes to kids could be solved with one thing...don't have sex til you are married.

I‘m really surprised that this not stated more often here in the comments. It isn’t about what’s more important than this and that. It is about money. Marriage ist not set in stone anymore. Relying on a partner to support you and your child is therefore a bad idea.

I look at women who don’t have to work and get to stay home and I’m jealous.

@remrealm5908

Жыл бұрын

You won't be jealous long when you hear stories about stay at home wives that get dropped, kicked out, or left by husbands that leave them no financial assistance behind to help them. Not saying it happens to every woman but it has happened and that is one if the many reasons why women wanted financial independence.

@AwakenedAvocado

Жыл бұрын

Feminism deceived women so well.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@@AwakenedAvocado I dont think so.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

Jealous? Of what?

@lotusleila5281

Жыл бұрын

Dont be jealous about women totally dependent on men. I pity them in most cases.

I don’t remember being told that lie at 19. I felt pressure to go to college to get a good job AND a good husband. I was told I should have one eye on being able to take care of myself and one eye on finding a husband and starting a family.

@lotusleila5281

Жыл бұрын

Then you can consider yourself lucky to have received good advice and been emotionally equipped to follow it.

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

❤❤❤❤ They'll pretend u don't exist.. Like this isn't the right way we were taught

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

@@lotusleila5281 i knew many girls who got that same advice I don't know why we pretend There r more ways than one In how people r raised Many aren't brainwashed By tv On if they want family career or both We're not Damn clones

@lotusleila5281

Жыл бұрын

@@misguidedpearls7456 balance is everything

@lotusleila5281

Жыл бұрын

As is balanced advice

Don’t really understand this take, almost every woman I have met/dated wanted to have children. And even in my 30s while most women I meet have children, those who don’t look to have them. This is while also having careers and established. Not sure where this is coming from at all.

Corporations destroy women.

What is the point in having kids anyway? To make them take care of you when you get old.

I work 12 hour day, 7:00am to 7:00pm 6 days a week. I used to work an 8 hour shifts. 7:00am to 3:30 pm

the society could teach women that, but also on the other hand some women learn this by themselves because in reality they see that career brings them satisfaction rather than relying on for example a husband, social media plays a huge role on this as well because the internet raises standards on their partners and inevitably themselves too. the idea of having children is difficult could probably because of higher awareness of what it takes to take care a child from the internet and STILL taking care of one self, it is not seen as selfish in society IF its seen more often nowadays

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

Preach

It may come as a shock, but some women don't desire children. Some can't afford them. Others have health concerns...that would be myself. I'm not about to haphazardly get pregnant with my high blood pressure and put my health on the line. I've worked my ass off to improve my BP for 3 years now and while my baseline is great, it still spikes way too high when I'm stressed or in pain - which I likely would be in labor. I'm not interested in hemorrhaging or having an increased risk or preeclampsia just for the joy of children...thats psychotic. Too many women already grand pregnant despite clear health concerns and risks and it's, frankly, stupid.

@darkangel10001000

Жыл бұрын

I have a great solution for you. Adopt or if you want the really expensive way surrogacy. But seriously though people need to consider adoption more children need homes.

@huggybear2789

Жыл бұрын

You're one woman in the proverbial sea of billions of women. Relax.

@Sanguinarius9999

Жыл бұрын

My wife was told pregnancy was dangerous with her high blood pressure, we have 2 healthy both caesareans both 6 weeks prem children.

@GrnXnham

Жыл бұрын

Nobody has said that ALL women want children. My wife didn't and we didn't have children. Every other woman that we know, however, did want children. But, usually when you use the term "all" or "none" when generalizing about people, you are going to be wrong.

@sounghungi

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's a radical statement to say that people have two arms and two legs even though there are some people without two arms and two legs. The desire to have children is the drive of life. It is on of the most primal instincts. Of course this doesn't mean that you are in the wrong for not wanting children but most women do want children and the problem that Jordan brings up is that women are being taught that they can satisfy their wants with a career and it does work for a bit, but eventually reality comes crashing down when that biological clock reaches zero. On the topic of your high blood pressure, I would suggest you start from the basic three health fundamentals, sleep, breath, and fats. Make sure you are sleeping well. This can be checked by using a sleep monitor. Make sure you are breathing through your nose and holding your breathe for a second before you breathe out. And finally make sure you are eating as little seed oils as possible. Eating more saturated fats is the best, ignore the current health studies saying that you should not eat saturated fat. High cholesterol and high saturated fat does not cause heart attacks or hear disease. This is a complete lie that has been perpetuated through our health system.

Is marriage a guarantee to happiness? You can get married, have 5 kids and get divorced in your 40s. Your kids will grow up and have their own life, husband might find someone else and you will have to start over anyway.The only person that is always going to be there for you is you and you only. So it’s extremely important to learn how to enjoy this life on your own. Plus not sure what is better - regret not having a kid or regret having one, because there are so many parents out there who truly don’t care how to raise their children. The outcome is a bunch of traumatized adults who don’t know how to build healthy relationships.

@brunogama8255

Жыл бұрын

So dont do the right thing for you, because it can go wrong. What a terrible way to navigate through life.

Men should change thier behaviour that has manifested this switch in women. Otherwise women will continue to choose themselves!

I'm a man and I don't think the main purpose of life is to have children. The main purpose of life is to live in tune with nature, children should be seen as a by-product of this. Consequently if you live a 9 to 5 artificial life, automatically you won't have as many children if any, however if you live close to nature, producing what you eat, you will have as many children as possible. In most cases, the closer you live to nature the more children you are likely to have; of course I do agree that there will be exceptions to this. Living close to nature is seen as primitive lifestyle, but more and more people are choosing to live this way.

I had my 2 children at 24,25, diid home sewing for companies and enjoyed life in Yamba. No big career,simple life of relative freedom.

@alan1029.

Жыл бұрын

Happy new year friend. Love your amazing comment, I'd love us to be friends if you don't mind

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

I heard balance And that is promoted in many homes Don't let them fool u

I never had children b/c first, I never married. Then I had a hysterectomy due to endometriosis. Had I married, I might have tried something other than a hysterectomy.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

And for the record, how is your life? Are you at peace? Enjoy activities?

As a young man I looked forward to the day the tables would turn when it comes to the dating dynamic between men and women. Now in my late 30s I actually feel bad for my female counterparts. They wasted their youth living like men and now they're struggling to find a man willing to commit.

The sad thing is, What society has told has certainly become true. I've dated over 100 men and not a single one of them has been willing to provide for me, Not a single one of them has been willing to support me, And just accept me as a housewife. Each and every single one of them they are looking at you and they are saying why aren't you working, And saying you need your own way to earn and you need to do something, And they will even look down at you because you don't have a job because of your autoimmune disorder and so on.. They don't care about it. They don't care for you, So you have to fend for and care for yourself. From a very young age, You feel this way, Just in your teens. I was taught that painful lesson in my teens and as an adult that hasn't changed.. It's only gotten worse. There's also the big and unmentioned problem is just the fact that most men just don't want to stick around you for more than a week, They don't want to make ANY commitment, Not even towards you as a partner.. Not even towards you through love. So if they can't even do that for you, How can they do that for a child? There's no chance. Everyone is just looking for play, They are not looking for a stable and meaningful relationship they put their hearts into. .Which I have done from the beginning. You know how one-sided love ends, Only heart-break.. Which I experienced time and time and time again. "I thought we weren't really serious" all the time I get guys telling me that, When I gave them everything. It makes me want to take a long break from dating, And it makes me not know what to do when I want to find someone true. Even from my "break" from dating atleast 15 guys have come along and I've given them all big chances.. Only for them to throw it in the trash, Put their eyes on other girls and end it.. Most guys they're just hot.. They're not in love. So girls are either strong or they're weak and gentle like me.. But for us, There's no place to go. We just try whatever we can do to try to keep on living.

@thehuman805

Жыл бұрын

U have dated and attracted a particular kind of men which results in failure. Maybe you even genuinely tried your best but Deep down subconsciously you May be Wired for that and attract that

I am not a left wing radical. Infact I come from a conservative background. The world is badly badly overpopulated which is the cause of inflation, traffic, competition. It will be fine for this century if people stop having kids, relax a bit more, work a little less and enjoy life more. For thousand years till the last century,the worlds population has revolved between 1&2 billion depending on bad/good times. The world is now hitting 8 billion, the world simply doesn’t have the resources to support a decent quality of life for 8 billion people. Let people NOT have kids this century and that will be just fine.

I am 46 and in poor health so cannot have another child. I had one child at 33 and did not have another one because I would not have been able to actualize my life plans. Not having another child was the worst mistake I have ever made. My poor kid has no siblings and no cousins. I only rethought having another at 40, but my health had plummeted and it was too late. I wish I had decided to in my 30's while I still could have. I will admit that my kid had health issues and was high needs and I was afraid I could not go through it again, but I wish I had.

American wealth has left women totally isolated. I'm old enough to remember when In England in the early 70's, maybe one woman got an ancient Twin -Tub , washing machine, and all the women gathered around her house, on Monday (traditional washing day) and the women with the ancient washing machine , allowed 1 wash for her really close friends, but had to use her own washing powder and put a shilling in the electric meter too. This was a woman only space, for a whole day.Knitting and knitting patterns were shared and women often knit together, in the kitchen- another women only space.hese traditional woen's spaces have gone in the Western world, but live in other poorer societies.

@joygibbons5482

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they always ignore the miserable isolation of modern single family living. I went back to work when my daughter was 15 months old because despite doing all I could to build a bearable life as a “homemaker” I was quietly losing my mind with loneliness and boredom

In the bible belt of the Netherlands this lie is not prevalent yet, I don't know anyone in their 30s without kids lol. So this is new to me.

@jacekszkutnik6294

Жыл бұрын

you are extremely lucky

Some people are never rebellious about women

Hmmmm, I wonder what things society has lied to men about? 🤔🤔🤔 I have had 2 points I have been considering on the benefits of normalising that the home/work life is fairly shared by both is 1. I missed my dad when I was a kid because he worked all the time, i would have liked my dad home more - so when my mom started working and the shift of the huge segregation of home/work load adjusted this happened, it was nice... it did expose his need for anger management (so yeah!? dads around more 🥳 too bad he needs therapy and isn't getting it because well that's not normal for men to do, men are feminine if they have to consider they have more than one emotion 🙄) 2. What if one spouse dies? And if both partners have not had a fair share home/work life and they have kiddos and they have what they like to call 'traditional' family structure of man work, women children and home... Than you end up with either having a mom overwhelmed with taking care of the business of the home bills and thrown in the deep end of working and homecare, or a dad who is bumbling through how to take care of kids and home maintenance, along with his ever consuming career... adding more instability to the kiddos while also grieving, or will there be grieving? Cause that's an emotion, and unless moms left it probably will be ignored - well probably with mom it will be ignored as well because she is to overwhelmed to take time to feel anything.... but why discuss trivial things like healthy emotional processing on a thread with a psychologist talking non stop how he knows better for women what family structure should ptovide stability to navigate the easy and challenging parts of partnering and parenting 🙄 It isn't all 'societal brainwashing' and power tripping feminists - there could be some practical and compassionate reasons to consider fair share home/work balance family planning

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT POINTS!!! I think men have been uninformed. For instance they know very little about human anatomy: how does the body work and why. What is pregnancy. We chose a traditional route and it doesnt give dad enough 'me time' or time with kids. We need to come together and fully examine these things rather than going off the hoof!

It would be cool to have some women in this conversation that keeps being held by men - because it is not being well represented over and over again, if course than I worry it would be a panel of women like 'the view' 😖🙄 and than I would say 'never mind'

50% of marriages end in divorce. Women who sacrifice their education and careers for having children early in life really puts them in a vulnerable position if their partner leaves.

@apebass2215

Жыл бұрын

That statistic is a lie. Don't confuse divorce rate with absolute number.

@lilyflower4962

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct. A woman needs to think long and hard about the decision to 1. Marry and 2. Have children. Both can have very severe emotional consequences. Neither husbands nor children are assured to behave in a way that is conducive to a stable and happy life. Experience talking.

@YoAverageNpc

Жыл бұрын

but 70% of divorces are initiated by women and 91% of educated women initiate the divorce . This the narrative feminist push but it’s absolutely not true

@lagopusvulpuz1571

Жыл бұрын

But if both work most likely fight for things in the house. Besides the children that are raised as orphans. Depends tho, but I saw it many times.

@impulse034

Жыл бұрын

I tell women not to get married, they should slave away at their job and build their career and get a cat or dog and work away at a job 9-5, 5 days a week until they are 60. They should contribute to the economy just like men do and they should fill fulfilled doing it

The reality is that children are very expensive. Men don’t always step up to the plate. Yes, a woman does need a profession/ career. It’s not so common today, but there were widows groups. These women married at 18, never worked outside the home, raised a family. The husband died. She didn’t know what bills needed to be paid or even how to pay them. Her late husband faithfully took care of that. Then there are displaced homemaker groups. The husband walks out on her. Leaves her with children to support and a mortgage to pay. She has no skills other than homemaking. It’s a very big problem. Alternatively, women can be at the mercy of an abusive husband. She has no way of supporting herself and her children. Or what if the husband is a n’er do well? Once again the homemaker/ mommy is in trouble. The reality is that it’s vitally important for women to have a profession / career.

Do they really think we want to work in some cubicle or on the street for some higher up? We do if cause we have to; if we can't provide, we can't get a woman. If I had a guarantee that meant that I could make certain that I could care of my house and kids, not have to work, and should my partner start thinking I'm not worth it and leave, I get with everything, I 100% would. Instead I get the options I have to work hard for someone who does like me for a wage, work smart for someone to get a better wage, work very hard for myself but the risk is on me or don't work and die alone. There's no "live of my spouse" option.

@christins.1481

Жыл бұрын

Lots of women today like it when they get to work and the husband stays home doing the house duties, running errands etc. Women like it because men are finally understanding what women go through on top of raising children, and women are just flat out tired of staying home.

What if we didn’t choose? What if we didn’t want to be a career woman?

I would like to find out from Mr Peterson if perhaps his coming to the wrong conclusion on why women around 30 panic about having babies. In my personal experience, I'm 29 this year and I'm panicking because my biological clock to have babies is running out and I have about 5 years maybe less to decide on having children or not. for men they never have to deal with this reality... it's extremely terrifying to have a baby now or never. If I could be fertile in my 50s? I'll wait. also most reasonable women who have children won't work 80 hours because they acknowledge that they have to raise the babies they make it's not because we don't want high-power jobs all of a sudden!!! it that we know we have to make sacrifices for the future of the child. it's not an indicator that we don't want power it's a sacrifice.

I'm now 30 and the only reason I don't have a kid is due to miscarriages. I want kids, I just... I don't know why I haven't been able to get past 7 weeks. None of the docs know either.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

Bless you! That is super rough!

@halfofakitty

Жыл бұрын

Diet?

It's suppose to be a Yin and Yang thing, but society lies to men too, and toxic masculity behavior like back in the old days when women used to work at home and men are bread winners need to be re-configure in the modern family structure to accommodate women working outside of home, still bearing and raising children. Statistically, more women have higher learning than men, however, men still can't bear children and for some reason raising children, cleaning and cooking are still perceived as maternal womanly thing. If you praise Alpha masculity, you should know that Alphas should be able to support their family, love and protect their wives, educate their children, and not do the hoochie women mental illness crap. That is why real men are hard to come by. So, if women by their 30s don't have children, I think it's ok, I now diverse from the traditional thinking. I use to think it was selfish that my friends pursued their careers climbing ladder not wanting kids, but people are at different places in their lives, and for some it takes a long time to come into their own. Humans didn't have many people on this planet when we started, so we'll be ok with those women not wanting kids still. You don't want to get me started on how the ultra rich exploit humans for profit, whining our population is waning due to women not having kids. They are now targeting India of course. This is a very very small sentiment of mine on this subject, as the modern day family structure is really complicated and lots of modern tech factors work against the family unit. It is very stressful the expectations and the wants, running after things, giving to lots of mental illnesses.

You have to be with your child until they are 7 to 10 years old, then you can lean more on your career, and after 10 more years the child will become an adult and you are not taking care of a child anymore, you are watching a human you produced go through life.

I love the USA, I love working side by side with women instead of slaving away for them while they chill at home in jammies, I feel liberated, I feel equal, thanks feminism.

Peterson fails to see the flip-side of this coin - how many MEN, in their late-20s, start focusing on what it requires to become a good husband and father? The truth is, near zero. Most males in this age-range still have limited social skills, still searching for a solid career, still burdened with student-loan debts, and are still struggling to find their place in the world. Most are poisoned with the idea that marriage is a financial deathtrap, and are outwardly angry/bitter about their loneliness coupled with their warped sense of entitlement and redpill antagonism.

@davidcramb5793

Жыл бұрын

Too many went to College, did pointless degrees that left them unprepared for work, and huge debts. All because they were told a "golden career" awaits them. They're pissed now that they find what they were promised wasn't true, and there are no $100k jobs. Believe me, I work with dozens of them. Men need to build "value" and many today aren't there in their late 20's because of bad career choices early on. Now women don't want to know them because they can't provide financial security. The system has screwed them, just as it's screwing "career women." Too many promises that we only find out were lies much too late. #shouldhavegonetotradeschool

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcramb5793 AGREE!!

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

Absolute facts.

Was getting to good content/discussion, but an abrupt end. Can we see the rest ?

@freedomfxrst

Жыл бұрын

The full podcast is called Modern Wisdom with Jordan Peterson with a very insightful host in Chris Williamson ✌️

There is nothing wrong with a woman wanting a career. What's wrong is when she assumes her decisions have no consequences. If she goes into things with her eyes open and knows what she will gain and lose, there is no problem with with it whatsoever. That's an adult making adult decisions. But all too often we have women doing these things and then waking up one day wondering what happened. It's everyone else's fault that at age 30+ she lives in an empty house with her cats. Again, there is nothing wrong if that's her chosen lifestyle. But it's not a good surprise to wake up to if it's not.

@AF-rv2xl

Жыл бұрын

I have an idea, instead of putting women in one box, I.e. they are all alike, they want the same thing( they just might NOT KNOW it) how about THEY get to decide what is best for them in the time they are living. I don't see Peterson going on and on about men and their NEEDS being all the same and the wisdom JP has for THEIR lives and what will make them happy. Oh I have seen JP videos where the men are being destroyed by women.

@freedomfxrst

Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with it. It’s her choice. We are simply questioning where it’s THE BEST CHOICE. And simply put, when you’re 50… you want love and family around you not bosses and executives but by then it’s too late

@TerryProthero

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfxrst I would go further and say that not every woman wants a family or should want a family. But it's extremely important for her to know precisely what she wants going into things. Because at age 50, as you say, it's too late to change her mind. These are decisions that need to be made at age 20 instead.

@TerryProthero

Жыл бұрын

@@AF-rv2xl I agree that they are not all the same. But there are some things that are true for the vast majority of women. And men as well for that matter. So, it's fine to speak in generalities if one is clear about what they are doing and that there are exceptions to the rule. But it's equally important to understand that exceptions to rules don't alter the fact that there are rules. It's also important to understand the difference between critiquing someone's decision and claiming they have no right to make it. People have the right to make poor decisions, but that doesn't alter the fact that what they did was ill advised. As for JP, I haven't watched that many of his videos. But he is no more immune to criticism than women are. If you have specific problems with anything he says, feel free to make those points in the comments.

@AF-rv2xl

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfxrst you say it s " her choice" and then proceed to question her choice as being the best. Let women make their own choices. If she makes a choice that turns out wrong later she is an adult and will deal with it. I don't see men being told what they want and what they will regret

in America single mother get benefits and paid in Africa there is not such thing and the level of education for women was very thin in the 60's and 70's yet those women don't sit and cry they worked and raised their kids some sell vegetables , some worked in the farms , some in groudnut factories some of these women bought HOUSES from these jobs it's crazy that American women are afforded everything but they still cry discrimination My dad never paid shit , never contributed to my education but I got a strong mom that put me through school and thought me discipline ... I needed my paps but he was never dea that's what makes me want to be a damn awesome dad when I av kids

All I hear these days, is family, children, values, etc. You know what? Women have been used and used and used again and thrown into far ends of different ideologies and extremes for centuries. First it was : a woman must obey her husband, must be a good housewife, etc. Then, it all changed and because of overpopulation, women were made to believe, that career is more important and they should really focus on it. Forget about marriage and kids in your 20s. Build your independence, you own means to survive, men are shit. NOW.....the tables have suddenly turned AGAIN!!! I repeat: all I hear everywhere is family, old values, children, respect men...blablabla. Here is my story: I never listened to any of this bs. I am now 41 y.o and life is only getting tougher by day. When I was in my 20s, I worked very hard, but I never wanted to not marry or have kids. Quite the opposite. I was dating, trying to build relationships, was lied to, left heartbroken, etc. This still didnt stop me from wanting all those things. However NOW, it is all different. I have chosen to no longer be in a relationship or have children ( it's not too late, btw ). I have developed a great fear of commitments, having children, in fact, bringing innocent children into this ever so unstable world, where you raise a kid and then some asshole decides their fate, by sending them to wars and what not. No, thank you. And men? Well.....I have yet to find one that doesnt lie, cheat or is egoistic and chauvinistic, prejudiced against women ( think: Andrew Tate). There you go.... When I listen to those podcasts, where men gather and talk trash about women, all I can think of is, didnt you , men, force us, women, behave and think another way with your patriarchal domination? Didnt every single woman goo thorugh a vast number of lies, cheats, etc before she , one day, decided she had had enough and now it was her turn to behave the same way she was treated? How many women were trapped in their marriages because they had no place to go and had small kids? Endure beatings, threats, etc? Femicides are still so common. well.....dont be surprised if women finally are able to say.....enough! no more of this shit! I shall treat you the same way you treated me for centuries!!!! And now these crybabies are gathering and talking trash about how women no longer respect men. Oh well......

That's not that simple.

Applies to both gender!

Society is not lying to women. Society is structured in such a way now that women are struggling - they want financial independence and intellectual growth that comes with an occupation as well as time to raise their kids and take care of their homes. I think Peterson should spend more time lecturing business and political leaders to make policies that help women achieve these goals.

@nechiedavis1779

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Peterson said that this law firm was loosing its best and brightest female lawyers. If they want to keep that talent, they need to be more creative. That would be good for the firm, good for the women and good for families.

@davidcramb5793

Жыл бұрын

Big business is there to do one thing, make money. They don't care about their workforce, male or female. All that's happened with women entering the workforce is a doubling of the available workforce, and often for less money. If you're happy working 60 - 80 hrs a week, all to make someone else rich, good luck. If you're not, they'll get a man to do it, and to support his family, one will. After all, that's the sacrifice we make for our family. It sucks, but welcome to a man's world. P.S. Remember, when you drop dead, they'll replace you in 5 minutes.

@nechiedavis1779

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcramb5793 the reality is that both parents usually have to work.

Most of the parents (both men and women) I know are completely miserable and can't wait till their kids turn 18 so they can kick them out. My own dad really shouldn't have had a family. Honestly, I have nothing against Jordan Peterson. The level of hate he gets is complete madness. But he has all this good advice for men, but for women, he just says, "Get married, have kids, and all your problems will be solved." Which is completely untrue. There's no path in life that guarantees happiness for anyone.

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

Preach🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

Preach🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

People just aren’t smart enough to see what’s important women should be at home raising children 👶👶👶👶

Yeah beautiful

USA is not the whole world. This point extends also to other fields. It seems to me that it is a very polarized country in many aspects

Weird question but why is he "flexing"(lack of better term) his forehead for most of this discussion? I don't think I ever do that for any reason. Just curious if anyone had any thoughts on why he does that. Only reason I would do that is if I'm trying to convince stupid people that they need to open their eyes with every breath I could muster.

No. I don’t want kids. Never will. 🤮 I rather travel and make money.

Have kids in your 30’s!! It’s worth it! Im financially strong, know myself well, and expecting my 2nd kid at 37 years old. It’s possible but do it when you have worked a bit and know what you want in a relationship (or do it alone with financial freedom like I did with my first child at 33)

@ronaldchannel

Жыл бұрын

Worse advice ever for women. Men look for younger women not old 30 women. If u got married was with a guy who never was the first option . It was all you had left .

@varshasindhu5672

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldchannelwhat rubbish! I got married at 36 to an awesome guy who was 3 years younger. My daughter was born when I was 38. Not every man is as immature and narrow minded as you.

@asdfgoogle

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldchannel absolutely agree. I'm a 36 year old man and just had my first child last year. My wife is 28. Most guys my age want a younger woman to bear their children. And most guys my age that will have kids had them when they were younger and they don't want anymore kids. There are guys out there in their mid 30s that are looking for a woman their own age to have kids with, but that'll be a risky endeavor. Good luck.

@kp361

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldchannel By your own standards, men in their 30s are also old. Your dick does not give you special anti-ageing powers.

@MrJimmy3459

Жыл бұрын

You're going to be 55-56 attending your 2nd childs HS graduation well into your mid to late 60 possibly early 70 on their wedding day.....

Some people makes a favor to the world by not having children..

@hashimsytc8141

Жыл бұрын

Someone hates children

@federicoascolani6457

Жыл бұрын

@@hashimsytc8141 I don't hate children, I hate adults

To me there is no greater calling, for women, than to raise up our future leaders.

@kp361

Жыл бұрын

What if your kid ends up working at Costco? Will you regret having had them? Your reason for having kids sounds like megalomania, not love or reality.

@shirleysear7168

Жыл бұрын

Why can't the Mother be a future leader?

@rustyhowe3907

Жыл бұрын

Why do I get the feeling you restrict the leader title to men preferred only?

@SuzanneVaartstra

Жыл бұрын

You need to be careful making a statement like that. It is a very important calling- yes! And I have high respect for women who choose to have children (or are able to be mothers) and who make the sacrifice to raise them lovingly. But saying there is "no greater calling.." than for a woman to raise a child illicitness shame on those who are not able. All women are valuable and have a calling on their life that is important. It just looks different for those who are not mothers.

Well, women in their late 20s to early 30s know about the high pregnancy defect rate waiting for them in a few years at 35+. Clinically they call it a geriatric pregnancy.

@tomfrost7671

Жыл бұрын

therefore, abortion on demand as a woman's right, after all, a woman cannot bear any consequences even of her own choices

@CV-br1eu

Жыл бұрын

I love the USA, I love working side by side with women instead of slaving away for them while they chill at home in jammies, I feel liberated, I feel equal, thanks feminism.

You can lament the 'lies' all you like, we still have to work to cover the ever increasing rent. It could also be my personal social circle speaking here, but I don't know too many men *with* families who willingly work 80+ hours a week, so many want less hours or out completely...sounds a lot like the ladyfolk eh?

@joygibbons5482

Жыл бұрын

All these discussions seem to ignore the economic reality underlying all of this. Just more dumping guilt, criticism on women. Nothing new there.

@rustyhowe3907

Жыл бұрын

@@joygibbons5482 Precisely! And it conveniently forgets that men go through the exact same thing when it comes to the economy.

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I personally think JP is over rated when it comes to certain issues

@pragmaticpoet

Жыл бұрын

Intellectualized sexism

I've seen many women in their 20s push the thought of kids out of their minds, claiming they're still "young" and it's "too early" to think about starting a family. 10 years pass and they are quickly scrambling to find a husband, have a baby, get a job that fits around having a baby, etc- because up to that point they never planned their life around the ultimate end goal- starting a family.

But men aren't reliable anymore. All of my former partners never wanted children and all men I've come across nowadays say that a woman who doesn't want to work or work less is lazy.

This is not just a female thing-men do the same thing- get to the top, work 80 hours a week to stay there, and then live a lonely life. There’s a reason for the term “it’s lonely at the top”. Women just seem to click faster and are willing to give up the top space quicker and more easily than men. Generally speaking, men are more concerned with titles and position. That why you have male doctors, lawyers, and CEO’s that have been divorced at least once and have no healthy relationship with their children if they have them. We know how crucial it is for a father to not just live in the same house as the kids, but to actually be hands on involved with them, which means giving up that 80 hour position and title, and giving the extra time to raising your kids. Men who don’t have kids and choose their careers tend to be bitter, harsh, and less pleasant to be around, in my experience.

@freedomfxrst

Жыл бұрын

This is a great point. However I believe this effects men less because men can still have kids very late into their life whilst women are bound by menopause. Still you make a great point.

@joygibbons5482

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfxrst It effects men less because they can more easily combine work with parenthood. People don’t usually criticise them for putting work/financial independence first. Women are in a more complicated situation. Prioritising motherhood damages our ability to take care of ourselves financially. Whatever choice we make is thus a compromise. I would have hated to live by keeping a roof over my head and food in my mouth by maintaining a sexual relationship with a man. It’s infantilising and humiliating, and the result of separating economic activity from the domestic realm. No one ever seems to include that factor in these discussions and it’s a major oversight. So glad I’ve reached retirement with a good pension, in my own right, and a successful daughter. More thought needs to go into the underlying economics or discussions like this will continue to miss the point.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomfxrst You think old men make great dads? The average man, making average money, slightly unhealthy, is gonna have very little interest and energy for small kids. Get real!!!

I think it’s sad that marriage has broken down so much and I believe it’s why society is so crazy now. Marriage to me..I say again Marriage to me should always be between Male and a Female that are getting married to have children and bring them up in a way that pleases God and benefits mankind And it should be almost impossible to divorce. I also believe sex should be kept bound within marriage. I think of all the evil that comes from free sex and how much good comes from it. Then I look at all the people who base there very I identity on who they like to sleep with. And now I see why sex before marriage used to be frowned upon. Nothing in this world is perfect, but I believe that destroying marriage even with its faults does more harm than good and I believe the problem discussed in this video is rooted in that fact.

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

Just curious. Are you Mormon? Did you leave a similar comment on the news of the Mormon father who murdered his entire family?

@gabriel201018

Жыл бұрын

@@deirdremorris9234 No I’m not mormon nor did I leave another message like this. Why do you ask?

@deirdremorris9234

Жыл бұрын

@@gabriel201018 Your comment was almost identical to one I read a day ago. I agree with most of what you wrote. Although the issues are far more grand than just the feminist movement.

@gabriel201018

Жыл бұрын

@@deirdremorris9234 I agree! The picture is much broader. Though I believe much of our social issues are due to the destruction of marriage.

The fallacy of over-generalisation.

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I’m 30 and still don’t want kids 🤷🏻‍♀️ like who cares about having kids lol

I honestly couldn't give a 💩 about womens' "issues" because they don't have any. Oh no, they all have careers, so sad.

At the conclusion, what one might ask is anyone doing working eighty hours a week. What sort of monomaniacal obsessive automaton does that?

Not society but weak individuals who form weak society.

JP is simping on expert level :) a woman as an eternal victim is never responsible for anything, even for her own decisions and choices society :) does not lie to women women lie to themselves

Almost all of the women Jordan Peterson has experience with are educated and moneyed. His opinion is highly biased.

@Dancestar1981

Жыл бұрын

His opinions on a lot of things are biased