Haven’t watched the video yet but after high school I fell into a depression that left me bed ridden for almost 3 months, I didn’t get out of bed unless I needed to use the bathroom. It got to the point where it became uncomfortable to walk. My mom would have to bring me food which I usually didn’t touch. I finally came across Dr.Peterson’s videos and he did more for me than any therapist, family member, or psychologist ever did. He’s the one who inspired me to get my life together and stop rotting away.

@willotoole5900

5 жыл бұрын

Have you heard akira the don's lofi mixes using his clips? Great stuff. I'm glad to hear the wise words helped you along. He gives great life advice.

@calamitynatalie8590

5 жыл бұрын

Dr. Peterson has helped me so much since the births of my daughters. To parent them in a practical and logical way. I know it’s not his focus but his advice on parenting and responsibility has been priceless. My youngest daughter is autistic and having his words to listen to have been so helpful. Many parents get into the mindset of the world having to change to allow for asd kids, but then many have grown up so entitled. My daughter is 6 and I’m certain without listening to him we would still be co sleeping and she would only eat chicken nuggets and fries!

@lyndaburn6428

5 жыл бұрын

Well done to you. I’m using his videos to help me understand my issues and motivate me to make changes.

@Regansaidso

5 жыл бұрын

Lynda Burn if anyone can I really believe it’s him.

@rebeccaed2018

5 жыл бұрын

Watch Academy of Ideas.

Jordan Peterson spoke in Vancouver several years ago. My daughter spoke to him after the lecture and found him to be very interested in hearing how she had found his advice very helpful during a health crisis she had. She said that he was very humble and kind. His genuine interest in her meant a lot to my daughter.

@judethaddeus9856

2 жыл бұрын

Of course he was interested in hearing how he helped her, of course he was humble and kind… she didn’t challenge his views..

@mrkeogh

2 жыл бұрын

@@judethaddeus9856 Or he could simply be pleased that someone found his work helpful. Some people actually have an interest in helping others instead of merely being seen to help others, and spouting trendy slogans on social media. If you think the people he tries to help aren't deserving of it, that really says more about you than he.

@TheDiverJim

2 жыл бұрын

@@judethaddeus9856 you haven’t reviewed his less hostile discussions. Or your incapable of forming an independent opinion of him without political polarization influences.

@michaelvance1118

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDiverJim what your comment just embodied is the Best we can ever hope for as a direct result of capitalism!

@TheDiverJim

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelvance1118 what does capitalism have to do with my comment? Thanks for the compliment, just confused by it.

I just wanted to say that I appreciate your approach. You have a way of not tearing down. Your very thoughtful with your words, I sense no vindictiveness. You don’t take pleasure in that. Your a calming person and that usually translates to trust. Thank you for your videos and breaking down many things I think about. You do so with such dignity for all. ❤️

@MLife1000

Жыл бұрын

Ditto!

@angeltitis8723

Жыл бұрын

I agree, well said

@jnagarya519

Жыл бұрын

Social satirists Irma Bombeck and Art Buckwald identified the source of humor as anger. Early in his career Mark Twain identified the source of humor as anger. Near the end of his career he identified the source as pain. (I've been told by psychiatrists that behind anger is fear. I ask, "Fear of what?" I answer, "Fear of pain.")

@oregonsnob31

Жыл бұрын

I second that!

@faysuxxss

Жыл бұрын

You should see his latest video on Meghan Markle. He definitely is a hypocrite now

Dr. Grande, would you be willing to do an updated take on Jordan?

He's a professor, a clinical psychologist. I don't consider him a philosopher and I don't consider him perfection. I take his information and enjoy most of his rhetoric. He'd not want you to entirely embrace him only but to consider his ideas and challenge them. Good professors teach you to think, not to agree. Just my take.

@An-fi8is

2 жыл бұрын

His ability to convey concepts and arguments in an understandable manner makes him so incredible to listen to.

@johnwinthrop2702

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with that it was a great analysis that made me think!

@richycrane2971

2 жыл бұрын

Well put !

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@An-fi8is You haven't had many professors if you're still that impressed by them.

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnwinthrop2702 It made you evaluate his "thinking" as if your own. That is the danger of not thinking for yourself.

Interviewer : Are you OK Dr.Peterson? Jordan Peterson : Define OK.

@Anastashya

5 жыл бұрын

Schizophrenic REACTS 😂 True....but, he has a point.

@TheEternalOuroboros

5 жыл бұрын

That's what makes him so interesting. He's ahead of the curve.

@TheEternalOuroboros

5 жыл бұрын

@@ML-qs3tf Spot on.

@chokinonashes61

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheEternalOuroboros He misrepresented his free speech start. He is just another reactionary when he goes out of the psychology field.

@christopher9152

5 жыл бұрын

@@chokinonashes61 Outside of his professional field, he seems like a typical waterboy for the neoliberal globalist empire to me...not exactly what one thinks of as a "reactionary." He's generally going very much "with the Establishment flow" in most every area but free speech and his recognition of some of the (generally ignored, ridiculed, or minimized) existential problems bedeviling young men today.

This is probably the best commentary I've seen yet on Mr. Peterson. I enjoy the fact that you are specifically coming from an outside point of view and you don't tear him down in any sort of way. You are specifically scientific about your observations and your criticisms of him are very insightful. Thank you Dr. Grande for making this content! I enjoy it very much. I also enjoy your breakdowns of other mental illnesses and trying to get people to understand about each specific mental illness/personality disorders. I am always learning something new from you videos and I love the fact that I'm obtaining so much knowledge from your videos. So, again, thank you so much for all of your videos!

Im a physician. I thought it was just me too. My opinion of him is he’s hard to follow and sometimes he doesn’t make any sense. I also thought that he overthinks things. Being able to keep complex things simple is a sign of a true understanding of an issue. I like him though and will be willing to listen to him for a few minutes. But once he starts overthinking I have found myself tuning out.

@Dorina55

Жыл бұрын

Great comment !

@VicBlank-qy9cc

2 ай бұрын

I am a board certified psychologist and I can certify that he knows a lot about Jung,Freud..etc..he has read many a book.he makes mistakes as everyone does and, sometimes he overthinks basic concepts but he is a well read individual with a high IQ..most of the times he knows what he is talking about..

@GrumpyCat-mw5xl

2 ай бұрын

@@VicBlank-qy9ccI suppose he’s probably smarter than me. I’m just a work horse.

@joeking6972

Ай бұрын

Yeah he's an interesting anomaly when it comes to communication. On one hand he is exceedingly passionate and eloquent but on the other he goes off on unnecessary tangents and overcomplicates the subject matter. I find that his speech can lack clarity of thought and that he is guilty of using word salad every now and then.

@jackholt6860

3 күн бұрын

I get the impression he tries to be hard to follow in order to impress people that are listening to him

“I think people get a little too hung up on the way other people look when they talk” that quote warranted my like 👍🏻

@josephcoon5809

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when they are looking at credentials and published papers. One of the funniest retorts I receive constantly is, “What is your degree in?” As if that matters to the topic at hand. If I said something wrong, correct me. If I said something that SOUNDS wrong, then study the topic more yourself. Asking for credentials is pure Ad Hominem coming from people who think insults are “ad hominem.” 😂

@locutusdborg126

2 жыл бұрын

@@lawtruth3872 It is his real hair. It is just receding.

@stevethea5250

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcoon5809 12:50

@josephcoon5809

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevethea5250 4:50

@misstmemrs

2 жыл бұрын

I think if people lose a relationship it can definitely bring on ptsd. He may not have elaborated but the partner may have been abusive or the break up could trigger pre existing issues. There can also be psycho social dynamics around the break up due to a smear campaign and social abuses they can be very crazy making. The partner may have been an addict which can cause a nervous breakdown. The person may take a deeper look at self and family and friends and coke to awareness that is shattering. So perhaps a break up could be one aspect of a more global issue that shatters or devastates. Having a partner die can be the most stressful event in a persons life and a ptsd diagnosis is often quite accurate in that situation. Being rejected or abandoned can be quite a trigger with a ptsd issue that already exists on some level. No one said the symptoms weren’t there. He simply did not elaborate.

"Dr Peterson, what's your favorite color?" "Well that depends on what you mean by favorite. And it also depends on what you mean by color. This is a very complex question.. One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideologi- cal presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's arche- typal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism..." Be careful Dr.Grande Dr.Peterson might analyse you too🤣🤣

@vanilla_sky25

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahhahaha wth

@anthonyholdsworth9002

3 жыл бұрын

this is 2 good XD top comment for sure

@secularvalue1114

3 жыл бұрын

Too good 😀

@johnschoen703

3 жыл бұрын

Man the hunter favors blue/green those being optimal hunting conditions. Women choose red/pink because those are the targets of a gatherer. That is wired into our DNA. Very few deviations. Lobsters

@briancase6180

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that depends on what you mean by "what." In fact, we cannot define anything. That is all. Well, that isn't actually that...at all. Wait.... Falls into a black hole.

I too was moved by your analyses of the subjects , and it's great too critically look at who we watch ,especially in serious matters. Very compelling and I'm hooked . all my best

You are so on point while being non emotional or biased. Much appreciated.

I love how you focus on patterns rather then individual instances where he made mistakes. This is my fav approach when trying to judge other's more accurately.

@davidbudo5551

4 жыл бұрын

Pattern recognition is the crux of human cognition.

@RogerBarraud

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidbudo5551 ...and the foundation of several cognitive fallacies.

@Strife72

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment and analysis of the speaker! So true, look for patterns of behaviour.

@lythalmind

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidbudo5551 i agree. Pattern recognition is why Artificial intelligence and machine learning are so dangerous to our society (when in the wrong hands).

@Demention94

3 жыл бұрын

When I look at Petersons patterns he seems slightly arrogant (as most smart individuals tend to be) and also not high in openness.

Here's something...I recently went through something horrific. Around the same time, I found Jordan Peterson clips on KZread...his 12 rules...snippets of his advice... I distinctly remember being out one day, and I remembered his rule to stand up straight, and I did it...I know it's "obvious," yet I had never stopped to consider doing it. And it dramatically affected my mood that day. It's something I have since adopted whenever I think of it (and I still don't always think of it). My point: Sometimes it really does help for someone to state the obvious; many of us are lost in our stuff and need simple direction. I love him!

@jayrose6312

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent observation and great comment! It’s funny as I went through boot camp way back in 1996 and that’s one of those things getting drilled into you with the recruit division commanders screaming this at you for around nine weeks, they’d say “stand up tall, shoulders back, head up straight, stand proud.” or something very similar (they’d all say the same thing albeit with slight variations). You’re very right about it working as I really did mature a lot that year. I saw first hand how it helped many others that did not have the same level of confidence that I had.

@Jimvesterstallone

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayrose6312 Thank you for sharing that! Great point, that the military pounds this into people... The little things can be the big things.

@jayrose6312

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Jimvesterstallone You are very welcome! Another thing I remembered after you replied was the level of mind games they would play with your head if only to see if you’ll break under pressure and don’t belong in the military. They do this because it’s a lot cheaper to send someone back home during recruit training than to spend countless dollars on them and their training just to have that person ‘break down’ later on, especially if that person’s ‘break down’ is in a combat zone! I’d estimate that we lost up to 20% of our division that first week! As the first week just prepares you for the training ahead (getting gear assigned, signing forms, drug test, medical & dental checkups, etc.) they repeatedly ask “who doesn’t want to be here? It’s much easier if you tell us now before you get assigned to a division [and start training!]” They want you to tell them as it only cost Uncle Sam a few bucks mostly on logistics at this point, e.g. hotels, airfare, and the like. They also ask you this on very little sleep and try to keep you awake! Now, I dunno your background on this, but kids that suffer extreme child abuse will mostly come out psychologically ‘broken’ themselves, but some (a MUCH smaller number) will thrive and come out stronger. Sadly, I came from a very abusive home and when I tell people what I actually haven’t repressed you could see the looks of disgust on their faces! I’m an open book regarding this, however the details are not relevant right now. What is relevant is the fact that I fortunately came out ‘emotionally scarred,’ but with a will that’s far stronger than many will ever have. I was not going to allow the pattern to repeat! I was also going to be the polar opposite of the ‘white trash’ who ‘raised’ me, and I guess a few accomplishments of mine did prove this if only to myself! Here’s my point (more of a theory, actually), confidence in general, without the cockiness, and regardless how one arrived to have a generally high level of confidence, will foster (a) Being immune to others who attempt to be emotionally hurtful to you, directly proportionate to the level of confidence. One who’s truly confident doesn’t ‘compete’ with others, but rather themselves exclusively. They also could care less regarding the negative, hurtful statements made my others. (b) One’s will, e.g. not giving up, is also directly proportionate to their level of confidence. And, finally (c) It doesn’t matter where or how this level of confidence was obtained or cultivated, only the fact that it’s actually “true” confidence (rather than narcissism, grandiosity, cockiness, etc.) Sometimes, which you’ll soon clearly see, extremely negative events could segue into positive events on the same ‘level.’ One final story to tie this altogether, and I know this is long, so I’ll try to be quick: While in boot camp, I don’t exactly remember what I did, but it was a relatively minor infraction, and there are a lot of those, so it’s not unusual. Many times, the recruit division commanders will have you “make it rain” as a form of punishment. Making it rain is having you do very quick exercises in full uniform for an extended length of time while commands and sometimes insults are yelled at you. So, I started to hit the deck and do push-ups, sit-ups, etc. - back up on me feet and do jumping jacks, running in place, etc. - rinse and repeat - as each command was called out. As I was in the best shape of my life, I was actually enjoying the workout, and he saw the ‘smile’ I had on, so he called over another recruit division commander to “join in the fun.” By the time ‘THEY were done,’ there were three of them yelling at me. Over an hour past and I was still going strong. Finally, I heard the words “stop, on your feet!” The recruit division commander finally asked “so, Rose, what the hell is it going to take to break you?!” With a smile, I simply said “You can’t. I’m sorry, but that’s just not possible.” He was so frustrated as he didn’t know what to even say to that, so I shrugged, and obviously defeated, he said “go back to everyone in the division, we’re through here.” I know one thing for damn sure, I earned his respect and the respect of a few of his peers that evening as the recruit division commanders were talking about me and this event. I don’t think I even spoke about it much thereafter, I really didn’t care one way or another about the event. The thing is, and this question could be perceived as if only bordering philosophical: If I didn’t face over a decade of various of types of quite literally heinous abuse, and had the mental strength to somehow not only survive, but walk away rather positively thereafter (which was a miracle according to numerous psychologists, therapists, etc., that I’ve seen), would the events of that evening have transpired any different?! I would go with a definite “abso-effing-lutely!!!” (read: Yes!) Feel free to ‘chime in’ with any thoughts, and again, thanks for reading this as I know it was a lot to digest!

@Malt454

2 жыл бұрын

@Calm in the Storm - I think many people view him that way, while I think he's really the culmination of adult voices most just didn't listen to while growing up and now find that advice so profound when put into the mouth of one man.

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@Malt454 I grew up, from about 6, reading, and reading, and reading. Born in 1948 -- do the math -- at my age I'm not much impressed by any so-called 'intellectuals" -- which isn't by itself the whole person. Better to read Socrates: he teaches how to THINK CRITICALLY.

I do believe that ends of relationships can be traumatic, depending on the relationships and how they end. I also think his philosophical theories are well-grounded in what he's read and that he's given Jung's work contemporary relevance. Maybe because I happen to be a lawyer, I do appreciate his logical reason. As a feminist, I was initially turned off to him because of things I'd gleaned from feminist media. I was wrong. When I actually began listening to his lectures and books, I found him to be informed, insightful and curiously open to new thinking, despite his adherence to the values of orderliness. Moreover, I find myself completely unoffended by his acknowledgment of the biological difference between men and women, and the inherent differences of physical, experiential and motivational aspects of gender that they entail. I think he's a genius, most of all, in his attempts to wed the benefits of order with the possible progress that can emerge from chaos.

@puckloki873

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@z4ub3r3r

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't have put it in better words. Completely agree with you.

@dingviet4310

Жыл бұрын

Great take.

@AlicedeTocqueville

Жыл бұрын

@ Sandra Young Hall Who are you talking about?

@WittyUsernamehere

Жыл бұрын

Very well said. I also appreciate your ability to admit when you are wrong. A rare trait in today's world. If you don't mind a question, do you still consider yourself to be a feminist after listening to Jordan Peterson or has that changed somewhat? Even if ever so slightly?

I watched several of your videos and always give them a thumbs up, I feel compelled to comment here as I follow JP and mostly enjoy his content, but don’t always agree or understand his points. You brought light to my thoughts and feelings. I am pleased that you gave him credit for his strengths and I loved how fair and honest you were in this analysis. The problem is that we, people, often want to be 100% pro or against opinions or thoughts, but that’s incongruent with human nature. Why can’t we simply appreciate the goodness in people while being wise thinkers for ourselves ? The only thing I’d add is that, in my opinion, academic philosophy can be too selective and seemingly unachievable for most people. A good teacher would be able to use a language that is deep but also accessible. I follow a philosophy teacher from the New Acropolis of Brazil who makes philosophical teaching digestible and pleasant, and more importantly, applicable! I’ve learnt so much more in that way. So when JP gets too abstract for me to follow, I disengage. But still respect his valuable contribution. Thank you 🙏

@christelletaljard4266

4 ай бұрын

Who is the teacher from brazil? Sounds good

I believe it would be interesting if Dr. Grande critiqued himself.

@SH-ms3nt

4 жыл бұрын

Jim Grasso “a lawyer who has himself for a lawyer has a fool for a client.” I suppose it would apply in a critique of oneself...too close to the problem.

@learningisfun2108

4 жыл бұрын

Jim Grasso I’m sure the good doctor uses meta cognition all the time. I’m sure he is his own critic frequently. I’d hazard to guess that he knows himself better than the vast majority of us know ourselves. Still, a self critique my him would be interesting.

@treytucker5619

4 жыл бұрын

Do himself!

@DearTherapist

4 жыл бұрын

That's something I believe we all could do. It helps to understand why we might have the world view we have. A careful analysis could reveal blind spots.

@91lifetime23

4 жыл бұрын

Specially after defending Bill Gates in the Covid 19 video

Basically what I got from this video is that he is really good at what he does but isn't perfect

@U-D13

3 жыл бұрын

... in contrast to how some may be positioning him (even he himself, at certain times and topics). Yes.

@constantchange

3 жыл бұрын

Who's perfect anyway?

@syn8666

3 жыл бұрын

@@constantchange you are 😘

@constantchange

3 жыл бұрын

@@syn8666 nope 🙂 it's nice to be considered as perfect, but it's a burden as well. Let's try to be close to perfect, but never perfect and let's love others for being this way 🙌🏻

@blueflame3531

3 жыл бұрын

Who is?

I stumbled across JP several years ago when I was going through a lot changes and difficulties and a lot of what he had to say then helped me tremendously. I don’t think I would’ve advanced and grown as much as I have on all fronts if I hadn’t seen those videos years ago. Glad to see one of my favorite people critiquing another one of my favorite people. Thank you! 🙂

@johnroop9625

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson makes everything so simplified when not everything is so simplistic.He talks in circles, & if that does it for ya,God bless you.

@tonyl9636

Жыл бұрын

I see people say this a lot, and I believe them, but it's kind of irrelevant to whether or not Peterson is actually insightful in any way. Many people find Islam in prison and it genuinely makes them much better people, it's still a fictional immoral religion though. Much like Petersons advice might actually do something for you, but it's still kind of a pile of bullshit.

@PC4ever

Жыл бұрын

@@johnroop9625 What so hard about cleaning your room? People like you like to criticize for the sake of judging someone. Peterson has helped millions of people, how many people have you helped?

@BimmieJames

Жыл бұрын

@@PC4ever possible rebuttals to your comment: 1. How many lives has Peterson damaged, destroyed, insult, steamrolled and just afflicted with psychological stress severe enough to cause sequela? 2. You said helped, what do you consider helped to entail? As a psychologist he knows about “reckless help”. Has he helped you? Why respond to a comment expressing their freedom of opinion and they weren’t even mean; but did you help with the personal offense you feel on his behalf? 3. Obviously suffering brain insults during his russian medically induced coma is nothing related to intelligence but what about his whining?

@christymckee8133

Жыл бұрын

Yep, same here.

You both stimulate deeper thoughts within me & give me tools that can make me a better person and I feel blessed by that. It's too easy these days to say "if they can why can't I" mentality and at the end of the day you find that you like yourself so much less. I hope you both continue with this free content you give us to make us all better people ❤️💯👍🏻

@mikeb6085

4 ай бұрын

I greatly appreciate Dr. Grande's content, it's rational and objectively analytical. So many arguments I see today, both sides are perfectly valid and offer insight, but you're expected to pick one emotional and political extreme or the other, and view the world in black and white. It's frustrating, things tend to land somewhere in the gray area in between, and people attatch too much of their own individual identity to every opinion and idea that they have, and feel defensive and attacked by anyone who disagrees. It's increasingly rare and refreshing to hear basically a reasonable compromise regarding emotionally charged subjects and figures. Jordan Peterson is a perfect example. Though I think I'd find myself agreeing with a lot of his viewpoints, I haven't seeked his material out, and only know him based on what others have said. But it's my understanding that he doesn't align himself with a certain political movement or idealogy, rather it's been applied to him after the fact. So now you have one side that views him as a cornerstone representative of their beliefs, and another side that automatically discredits or invalidates anything he says, while if it came from someone else, they'd most likely be in total agreement. Unfortunately, given the nature of his videos, and having a more neutral character than someone like JP, this type of content won't ever find the same popularity. But know that it's still appreciated by someone! 👍

One correction on a statement you made, Peterson’s book 12 Rules for Life is not a book for men. It’s for men, women, and anyone who wants to set their life in order. He’s always sure to make that point known. Thanks

@carewser

4 жыл бұрын

Most of his audience is male but you're right, it's for everyone

@anthonylombardo6012

4 жыл бұрын

I noticed that immediately as well.

@Guppyg53

4 жыл бұрын

Why would I want to live like him

@endaohalloran6649

4 жыл бұрын

I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong either, but the demographic that is the majority of his followers are young men. So to extrapolate that to say it's for men isn't entirely wrong. As at the very least, something he is doing is catering for men more than other groups and if there was a product that was used predominantly by men, even if it wasn't exclusively marketed towards them, we'd be inclined to perceive it as 'for men'

@PeterKato83

4 жыл бұрын

@@Guppyg53 your IQ is too small to resemble Dr Peterson so even if you did want to live like him you simply couldn't.

I have always enjoyed Jordan Peterson even when I disagree. I find the lectures thought provoking. Thanks for the critique.

@TheWieger01

2 жыл бұрын

most people go over the fact that he has (co)authored over a 100 academic papers way too easily.

@Vojife

2 жыл бұрын

I love Dr. Peterson's psychological works and his university lectures, that I find very thought-provoking. His political "activism" so to say is very weird to say the least, though.

@Onus6688

2 жыл бұрын

Oh like when he told millions of people thier transphobia was justified thus adding more stochastic terrorism to innocent lgbt people.. what a cool guy.

@mariaannalikouris4673

2 жыл бұрын

@@Onus6688 saying a fear of something is understandable doesn’t excuse the irrationality of that fear. Understanding where your fears are based however can help you work through them. Jesus never condemned anyone but people have been condemning and killing in his name. Some people will find any reason or cause for violence. All people deserve respect and love and the peace to live their life as they see fit as long as they aren’t hurting anyone.

@ujjalshill6442

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is a narcissist

I found that Jordan Peterson has consistently provided meaningful paths in the forests of ambiguity. I think your unique, lucid take on his wanderings has a refreshing outlook that invites different ways to see them. Thanks

I stayed away from Jordan Peterson for a long time because of his politics, but I have recently started listening to his podcast and some videos where he was interviewed. Much of his podcasts do not address the problematic political views he is known for. Instead, he covers a wide range of topics and I find his thoughts and insights very interesting and concept expanding. I wish my education base was greater in those areas so I could contextualize his thoughts better instead of just accepting what he says. You mentioned that Peterson appeals to doctors and lawyers. I'm fairly certain he also appeals to the large majority of engineers (engineering is also an applied science). For the interviews, he is a highly skilled debater and while he can become very irritated/angry, he maintains confidence in his position and rarely loses ground. I wonder how much benzo use has allowed him to stay calm under pressure. His success in interviews can be strongly attributed to his debating approach, which has aggressive undertones and can throw off an interviewer. It is easy to attribute him "winning" in interviews to his position instead of his debating style, but it is important to recognize that his debating style plays a very large part in his interview success and that his position should be evaluated on it's own merit.

“He seems like he’s high.......... in openness to experience.” 😆

@goyzrus8830

3 жыл бұрын

Freudian SLIPPERS ;)

@jannulik

3 жыл бұрын

Bahahaha

@xluna-blue

3 жыл бұрын

What does that mean?

@mabaker

3 жыл бұрын

Daddy Peterson is high on benzos. He is a stupid man's idea of an intelligent man.

@Martin-ol4uq

3 жыл бұрын

@@mabaker ....and presumably you are the opposite?

“He seems like he’s high... in openness to opinions”. Lmao excellent pause.

@BondingleStudios

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewtaylor2430 this video seems to have been posted prior to Peterson’s drug abuse being common knowledge. But, if the creator didn’t make that pause deliberately, it was still a very apt pause.

@marialagattuta5438

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha

@mikebott6940

3 жыл бұрын

@@marialagattuta5438 he needs to clean the opiates out of his room

@lukepatto4366

3 жыл бұрын

The pause wasnt long enough to justify this comment.

@BondingleStudios

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukepatto4366 well, I didn’t time it... but it was certainly long enough to catch my notice.

Beautifully explained! This video should run in court.

I'm so happy - you were animated. It was much easier to understand. Thanks

Dr. Phil sets people up to incriminate themselves on his show.

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent point - I just typed that into my outline for my Phil McGraw video yesterday - I remember a few occasions when he did that -

@fidelis1480

5 жыл бұрын

I read something about considering people with a positive moral regard encourages pro social outcomes, this is certainly not on Dr.Phils agenda.

@undeadpresident

4 жыл бұрын

Is Dr. Phil even really a doctor or does he just call himself that like Dr. Schlesinger or Queen Latifa? If he really wanted to help people he wouldn't put them on TV and shame them.

@mysty0

4 жыл бұрын

@@undeadpresident he's not a real doctor, he was stripped. He can call himself a doctor because its 'entertainment'

@michaelmichaelson2014

4 жыл бұрын

@@undeadpresident He is a real doctor in that he has a PhD, so he can use that title. He is not currently licensed to practice though, and he hasn't been for quite some time.

This is the best, most balanced critique I've seen on JP so far. Great to see a peer that is not afraid to be both critical and complimentary at the same time. This is rare and much appreciated for those of us trying to make sense of these difficult but important topics.

@john-paulsilke893

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure Dr Grande would both dislike and appreciate a similar evaluation of himself, possibly from Dr. Peterson. I strongly believe Dr. Peterson could set aside his own evaluation and use his not insignificant insight and intelligence to make a very fair evaluation. In both cases they would likely have errors, but at least they would be well reasoned and fair. (As fair and reasoned as we could hope).

@daphneweldnichols3846

2 жыл бұрын

@@john-paulsilke893 Love that idea!

@rena6895

2 жыл бұрын

Agree!

@john-paulsilke893

2 жыл бұрын

@@7LegSpiders I’m pretty sure Dr Peterson may have his feelings hurt, (he’s very sensitive) but he’s also a tough guy and has suffered far worse slings and arrows. And furthermore both of these men might learn more about themselves in such an endeavour then they would learn about each other. Unfortunately it may actually go over our heads unless they’d dumb it down, (I’m only peripherally knowledgeable on some of psychology as are most of the viewers/commenters so ideally they would keep it more mundane, which does risk slight inaccuracies for our sakes).

@roadrunner9622

2 жыл бұрын

Difficult topics? The only reason the topics are difficult, is that you are trying to accommodate (and possibly obey) the leftist lunacy that is plaguing our culture.

Thank you for this discussion. I too have a PHD in one area. When I listen to Jordon Peterson there are times when I find his videos very engaging and other times very confusing. I'm pleased to learn that I am not alone in this. In

@tonyamartin1425

Ай бұрын

I have common sense and cant be tricked in to calling him smart or deep lol he isn't hurting anybody but hell my Dad said all the same stuff as a factory worker lol Socrates he is not.

This is a really outstanding video. Thank you!

So much *integrity* in this, hands down the best video on Jordan Peterson I've seen.

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@UGPepe

5 жыл бұрын

English Teacher you can tell it's unbiased by the title alone

@EyeLean5280

5 жыл бұрын

Marcus, yes, this is an excellent video.

@debsabatino311

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@djanitatiana

4 жыл бұрын

in a perfect world this is what criticism would look and sound like. Couldn't find a single ad hominem!

Peterson wants to be “Jung again.”

@williamwilliamson9051

3 жыл бұрын

Looool

@patrickhanson712

3 жыл бұрын

Well said!!

@joel8750

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds right if read in an Irish dialect.

@Diane_Adams

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@SovereignStatesman

3 жыл бұрын

Lou Alcaraz: but he's guilty of mass-Freud.

I often have to listen a few times to some of his philosophical lectures…I’m pretty smart too (at least I think so) but even pausing and rewinding a segment to gain understanding, the message is sometimes tough to grasp. This is a very balanced critique!

Peterson speaks common sense, but in a time where common sense and reason are rare or even shunned, he sounds like a wise philosopher. Nothing Peterson has said I've found to be profound or life changing. He hasn't said anything I haven't read or heard before. He's not a bad guy, but I think he gets heaped with more praise than he likely deserves.

@Mephistozenith

Жыл бұрын

well here's the thing, everyone nowadays is being raised on false premises and rigid ideologies. they might feel like common or basic ideas but sometimes thats just what one need to really move foward. a reminder of basic, common sense truths. just like any boxer would say, you can't box on a high level if you didn't master the basics and you can't remain a high level boxer if you do not practice the basics on a daily basis. in that way, i believe that his carrying of these simple truths on the scale that he's doing it right now is deserving of some level of praise!

@AlicedeTocqueville

Жыл бұрын

WAY MORE! I think he appeals to sexism, stereotyping, feeling jealous of people who are smarter, or better educated, or more popular or successful.

@AlicedeTocqueville

Жыл бұрын

@@Mephistozenith Excuse me, but when you make a sweeping generalization like that, you are necessarily wrong. These are the kinds of things that can hinder communication with different generations. I'm very happy to be able to say l have pretty good communication with both my daughter and my grandchildren. I don't tell them what they're supposed to think.

@Mephistozenith

Жыл бұрын

@@AlicedeTocqueville jeez gurl calm down i don't even know you

@AlicedeTocqueville

Жыл бұрын

@@Mephistozenith EEEK! What did I say?

I see him as capable, yet fallible, artistic individual with above average intelligence, and an expert on some topics. BUT also not someone that has critically thought about some topics to the extent that he has with other topics, and rightfully so. So we should listen to him and consider his ideas on his field of expertise. You know, not treat him as a Messiah of all topics like some people seem to do. I love Jordan Peterson because he made me think about some things from a different perspective. Hearing interesting advice about some things I've never considered can be intoxicating to me personally.

@Tolbat

5 жыл бұрын

So in reality you're one of the people that has actually treated him as a Messiah of all topics considering what you said "I love Jordan Peterson because he made me think about some things from a different perspective. Hearing interesting advice about some things I've never considered can be intoxicating to me personally. " You're one of those people that experiences something and then calls others out on that which you are also doing and makes it as if that's not something youre a part of but what's really going on here is you actually understand those people and have noticed that because you are one of those people.

@andnowwevibe270

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tolbat "You're one of those people that experiences something and then calls others out on that which you are also doing and makes it as if that's not something youre a part of but what's really going on here is you actually understand those people and have noticed that because you are one of those people" lol yeah it's almost as if people can make mistakes through experience, learn from them, and then give reasonable advice to other people on how to have a more productive, realistic perspective. You know, the kind of thing that leads to improvement, unlike your comment which solely exists to smear and tear down people like an insecure douchebag

@steven5054

5 жыл бұрын

@@brandonrox10 Sure. Like when he said that Trump was smart.

@Tolbat

5 жыл бұрын

@@andnowwevibe270 But he's not owning the fact he is one of those people, he is pretending he is not....yea real helpful...How about be honest so people can really relate to you and absorb your advice?

@andnowwevibe270

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tolbat There's literally no empirical or logically sound reason to assume the OP sees JP as an infallible genius on all topics. On no planet does 'He made me see some things from a different perspective' translate to 'I think he's right and well researched about everything'. You made a massive logical leap to get there, also known as an assumption. Can only imagine why Secondly the OP made a recommendation of good form: to not just assume that everything someone says is true because they have a reputation as an intellectual. Your post is just pure ad hominem based on a nonsensical logical leap. More than likely you just needed your boost of narcissistic supply to make it through the day

"Dr Peterson, what do you think of Jordan Peterson?" "It depends on what you mean by Jordan, and what you mean by Peterson."

@777matthewv

3 жыл бұрын

Ha! 😂

@PhilosoFeed

3 жыл бұрын

Of course, it matters what you mean by Dr too!

@MariGolds2

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect example of his word salad.

@joe-ye1dm

2 жыл бұрын

That would be true if the word Jordan or Peterson is the word that's been used to identify half of the human population.

@wecas9596

2 жыл бұрын

@@MariGolds2 Ha, ha... Indeed, I've sometimes seen Dr. Peterson talk a lot without saying anything meaningful. Or use verbose statement to make something trite seem profound. Dr. Grande was unduly modest in saying that he is willing to accept that he may not be smart enough to understand what Dr. Peterson is sometimes saying.

I disagree that a person can not suffer PTSD after a relationship ending. It depends on the ending. Some people have lived a lie in a relationship and everything they thought their life was in fact was indeed a farce. I work with many women who have experienced this and it destroys them. Some never recover.

@bethbeth5122

Жыл бұрын

He is referring to the DSM criteria though - it is very clear. Maybe JP advocates for a change to the criteria. I am not going to copy and paste the criteria here but by definition, a person can't.

@kepigal

Жыл бұрын

@@bethbeth5122 I have CPTSD. Yes I know there isn't a diagnosis stating specifically the C in the DSM. It just means it is chronic. I feel like PTSD is the latest buzz word that people attach themselves to. Like bipolar was a few years ago. Unfortunately I have that too. I don't know when mental illness became fashionable but if someone really has it, it can be crippling. PTSD attacks cause me to be extremely anxious, hypervigilant even in my home, panic attacks that are so severe I cannot breathe or talk, fight or flight (usually flight). I've got so many alarms my house has been named Fort Knox by my sister. Those are but a few symptoms. I would not wish true PTSD on anyone.

@ofeliabacaro9457

8 ай бұрын

Exactly!!

Thank you doc. Balance has become a rare commodity in recent years, with the ever increasing polarization, that exists almost everywhere you look... it is truly comforting and refreshing, to come across it, in the rare instances, that one can find it. You are possibly the most reasonable and rational figure, that I have come across on Y.T. With all of the anger and choosing a "side", that gets shoved down your throat everywhere, it's good to have you to look to, for a perspective that doesn't have some sort of implicit agenda. Per usual, I'm tipping my hat to you, sir. 🎯👀🤔🗽

“In one of his books he has 12 rules” No free clout 😂😂

@Erinn9011

3 жыл бұрын

@Hana Ayo Alemayehu he taught hate? No way. He's far too understanding for that. White what? I'm brown and i have never seen that. Since you bring up race, what race are you?

@keepinmahprivacy9754

3 жыл бұрын

@Hana Ayo Alemayehu If Dr. Peterson was a "white supremacist" why would he spend so much of his professional life warning people against those kinds of ideologies and the thinking that leads to them? Seems pretty counterproductive.

@mitchelrowe6915

3 жыл бұрын

@Hana Ayo Alemayehu Lolololol you blind ideologue 😂 I'd ask for proof of any of these claims but I know you don't have any. Chances are you're just a left wing ideologue who assumes any logical/reasonable criticism of the left makes you a white supremacist when that makes you ironically as bigoted as the Nazis were. The man has said more than once he considers himself a centralist, he has said more than once that he despises the alt-right and that they despise him.. But that's not enough to convince you right? Doesn't fit your narrative.. I welcome you to prove me wrong

@MRFUCKOFF202

3 жыл бұрын

@Hana Ayo Alemayehu we should arrange our lives to mirror the lobster

@MudulerDerpz

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAOO

I love the way you keep ego out of your analysis.

@wecas9596

2 жыл бұрын

Dispassionate!!! 👌 Like a good judge should be.

@dannysze8183

2 жыл бұрын

jordan is egoic. not narcissist yet.

@imoeazy

2 жыл бұрын

ordan Peterson's behaviour/ mannerisms reminds me of someone diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder....but he seems like a narcissist who has studied psychology, philosophy and scientific politics and has identified himself as somone who has experienced emotional/psychological abuse as a child. His behaviour and mannerisms seems like his struggling inside. His ego comes out alot

@dannysze8183

2 жыл бұрын

@@imoeazy agreed. I think you are a better psychologist than JP. he cannot even sort out his issue and went into depression. 😂😂 can a depressed patient trust a depressed clinical psychologist ? lmao

@bradb82

2 жыл бұрын

@@imoeazy From this comment it is clear you haven't consumed much of JP's content. The ego is an integral part of the complete self. I find it difficult to trust anyone who doesn't show us their true selves every now and then. Especially someone who speaks publicly and on podcasts as much as JP. I'm glad he gets vulnerable and shows us his passion/love for humanity.

Before watching this video, I would like to ask Dr. Grande to consider doing an update on Jordan Peterson. There have been significant developments concerning Dr. Peterson since this installment.

A good overview, thank you. I've been looking for a professional and calm critique of Peterson. I think the fact that it has been hard to find says something about the type of discourse he is involved in (both in content and style). This does the job nicely. Although it seems to me by not looking at his political discourse you have omitted an important element of any Peterson critique. It is the main reason he has become internationaly famous and forms the majority of his current content. I'm my view with respect to this Jordan makes some valid and insightful rebuttals against what is currently described as woke or progressive ideology. However he often neglects to provide alternative answers to the problems they seek to address, such as poverty, greed, abuse of power, social injustice both historical and current, climate change, and the destruction of ecosystems. What's more his dicourse often seems to stray away from quality, truth seeking debate and into raw emotional response, often leading to angry belittlement of people who hold different views to his own. I have seen many instances of him losing his temper, swearing and entering into hateful speech. Sometimes this may be subtle for example a repeated demand for someone to 'be specific' and asking them to quantify (literally wants a percentage) something that is by definition not quantifiable. Sometimes it could be direct tirade for example calling someone a 'f-ing liar'. He's no doubt a very intelligent and knowledgeable person, and it seems a lot of what he says is grounded in research however he loses a great deal of credibility and does himself a disservice when he strays into such emotional response. Instead of allowing for clear headed pursuit of truth this behaviour creates an emotional haze in which the truth can be obscured. One has to assume that Jordan knows and understands this very well, and moreover knows how it will be attractive some of his more extreme followers. It even flies in the face of his 9th rule, Jordan so frequently refers to 'always assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't'. Which inturn begs the question, why does he do it? Perhaps it is simply a human response to counter the same treatment he receives (if not worse), however deploying the same tactics in return is not the sign of an argument grounded in objectivness.

@Heyu7her3

Жыл бұрын

He's definitely libertarian.

I think Dr. Grande might be my favourite KZreadr. This channel is such a rare gem of objectivity 😌

@unitedfools3493

3 жыл бұрын

It's literally 100% subjective.

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@unitedfools3493 And Jordan Peterson isn't? How much of "psychology" is "science," and how much "social science"?

@guyharris3682

2 жыл бұрын

@@jnagarya519 It is 100% social science. The question is "how scientific is social science?". Dr. Peterson quotes extensive studies that show that men and women differ in preferences and that these differences produce unequal outcomes in the percent of men and women in nursing vs. engineering. This seems to me to be science, though not as rigorous as testing theories of physics. He has also stated that IQ and success in life are highly correlated. He quotes the correlation coefficients. This sounds like science, but again, not as rigorous as physics or chemistry. But certainly not 100% subjective or anything close to it.

This critique is a whole lesson on how to appreciate the intellectual work of someone, with equanimity and fairness. I stand schooled and happy to have learned a lot, not only about how to assess someone's ableness and depth but mostly on how to be a serious critic. Thank you,

@vancouverterry9142

2 жыл бұрын

This critique is worth a flunking grade on an undergraduate paper as far as I am concerned. If some student handed it to me, I would give him or her a failing grade and a sharp note that he or she was being so mentally lazy that I suspect they're not the sort that should bother taking up space in a university. Anyone who thinks this is any kind of credible critique simply does not have the level of critical thinking skills of a smart high schooler student.

@MrMalkraz

2 жыл бұрын

@@vancouverterry9142 the irony is palpable

@DareDevil-td9ri

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMalkraz Ha Ha...

@An-fi8is

2 жыл бұрын

@@vancouverterry9142 you should examine your personal bias. A teacher such as you should not bother taking up space in a university.

@vancouverterry9142

2 жыл бұрын

​@@An-fi8is Don't try to pretend or sound like you're a competent thinker because you're obviously not -- WAKE UP and try to learn how to use your brains. People need WAKE UP calls sometimes. Your comment indicates that your standards are pathetically low, and your expectations of yourself are pathetic and self-fulfilling. WAKE UP AND START USING YOUR BRAINS. Maybe start by reading "The Dumbest Generation" by Max Bauerlein. And check out the KZread videos by Richard Arum. If you've got the brains to take in and consider some data and competent reasoning, you'll be able to WAKE UP to how PATHETICALLY LOW your standards are in making your pathetically-vacuous comment, and hopefully that'll inspire you to try to learn how to think.

I would like to know what software Dr. Grande is using in the background of his videos.

I have been skipping around your videos, not watching them in order. It is really interesting to watch your development as a narrator/performer.

Im very fond of Jordan Peterson's work, but Im always worried about not getting to attached to any one thinker, so Im always on the lookout for reasonable criticism. All the critique that I had found till now seemed to me to be either not very well informed or stemming from the need to defend a pre held beleif. This is the first reasonable and objective critique that Ive found, kudos for that! Suscribed!

@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943

2 жыл бұрын

He is a man, not a devil.

@d.m.collins1501

2 жыл бұрын

​@@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943 if you like thinkers who don't defend pre-held beliefs, then maybe you should find a guy who doesn't believe in god or racial IQ science? Because those have been around for awhile, and they're definitely "beliefs," not facts based on the science.

@cainemangakahia4842

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.m.collins1501 It’s not Nike Peterson had made a particularly big deal out of what his religious beliefs may be , and frankly it’s not like Athieism has proven immune to ideological preconceptions either. And has he particularly “defended racial IQ science”? How?

@mayanksharma3651

2 жыл бұрын

Well you should see his talk with Sam Harris. That's very interesting

@mayanksharma3651

2 жыл бұрын

@@cainemangakahia4842 he hasn't defended racial IQ. He used the fact that if you see the people who come into the extreme ends of top IQ range, are dominated by Jews (statistics), and used that to make the point against equity.

'12 steps to life' may be seen as 'simplistic and obvious' by fully established professional men but the book is also aimed at young males starting out in life. We need more books like that which are easily understood by many of the seemingly lost or floundering youth of today.

@philomelodia

3 жыл бұрын

You know something, there’s a lot of beauty in simplicity. To me, it’s actually a selling point. He Lays out things he considers to be irrefutable truth in all their starkness for all the world to see; naked truth, by God.

@pumpkinpie2002

3 жыл бұрын

Well stated

@mysticaltyger2009

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@randomstarwarsfan6404

3 жыл бұрын

I bought the book and I'm reading it right now. I passed it several times because of that, but I can almost assure you, when you read it, it's not like anything you expect. It's amazing and FULL with scientific evidence/information that can make your head spin, actually questioning the points that he makes. I really suggest the reading, it's for everybody (even women, for that matter). The rules themselves seems tongue in the cheek and very simplistic, but they're just a "hook" to get you in, in very important topics that describes the nature of our behaviour and how we can surpass through work and diligence our inadequacies. It's in my top 5, and I've read MANY books. If anything, I suggest you guys read it online, even if it's a preview. The lobster part is fucking great.

@chrishayes5755

3 жыл бұрын

I wasn't a huge fan of the book. Was disappointed. Got more value from some of his lectures.

I just watched one of his youtube vids yesterday and I enjoyed it. Nice to hear your opinions on him.

Great video! You're fair, that's refreshing in a world that seems all too ready to just tear others apart. Not unlike the political arena to some extent it's hard to find someone willing to see both sides of someone or something without being hard one side or the other. Your thoughts on the separation between right and left politically would be interesting but also I'd imagine a bit of wasted time on your part. Thanks for the great videos!

As a single mother of adolescent boys, Dr P has been invaluable to us.i love his realistic, yet uplifting approach. 😀

@_letstartariot

2 жыл бұрын

I hope your boys do not listen to his views on women in the workplace. He’s a sexist. Be careful.

@kennethduarte4346

2 жыл бұрын

@@_letstartariot good thanks for your opinion

@piotrd.4850

2 жыл бұрын

@@_letstartariot He isn't but well....

@rickreynolds9306

2 жыл бұрын

@@_letstartariot no, he's not. You however probably are.

@krejados1

2 жыл бұрын

@@_letstartariot oh, yeah. I just posted about his views on women, in general

Your critique of his work is damn good. Reasonable, informed and presented in a respectable manner. I do not agree with all of the critique, but I also do not agree with all the things J.P. concludes (or I just don't understand). All in all, it is the attitude with which you comment that won me. It was pleasant listening to your perspective of his work.

Dr. Grande, I enjoy the entirety of your offerings and the way you present your content. I also want to tell you that your willingness to admit the possibility of being wrong is a refreshing trait in someone of your caliber and in your position. You approach "self-deprecating" without tarnishing your character and illustrate that a humble demeanor is nothing of which to be ashamed. Thank you for your example and educational content on all matters psychological and legal. Much Respect.

“Interesting and engaging”, yes, I agree with you, Dr. G! I often question just how he forms opinions from the “scientific facts” he reports though. Loved your take on this!

@sarahalderman3126

Жыл бұрын

Well I imagine he uses rational thought and deductive reasoning along with objective fact/reality to come to evident conclusions… pretty common until just recently when the world went straight up nutz!

I think this is a very fair critique of Mr Peterson. Well done Dr Grande.

@caracre

3 жыл бұрын

hilarious

@immortalwombat10

3 жыл бұрын

sorry to hear that you have lost the ability to think. "12 rules for life is rules for how young men should act" -clear bias before he even begins teh actual critique

@isakhalen8095

3 жыл бұрын

@@immortalwombat10 ok

@LJ_nowandalways

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you call him Mr.?

@juic3357

3 жыл бұрын

@@immortalwombat10 Peterson has said that the rules don't just apply to men but everyone. A list to become a better person. A guide to moral fortitude, and a foundation grounded in strong basic ethics

Your analysis is reasonable, articulate and balanced. Thank you for grounding us.

This was a really well thought out critique. Good stuff.

Thank you for this, on JP, outstanding Dr Grande 🌸🦋

His lectures are pretty fast forward, but I`ve recently seen some of his interviews and was blown away by such an engaged listener, so patient and supportive, and though suspicious at first, I now feel his motivational messages come from deep concern for changing the tragic human condition. A very fair and informed critique from dr.Grande

@MrKosobi

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know. At first I was captivated by Dr. P. Then, as I watched more and more lectures of his, I started to question his motiffs more and more often. When asked about certain topics, he seems to be deliberately disingenuine. Other times he ommits certain crucial facts or is incredibly uncharitable when speaking about his political opponents. I still attributed it all to his flawed human nature, but the deal-breaker was probably actually reading his work. It was far from what I expected it to be: unprofessional, sloppy and outright dumb at some points. I still appreciate the fact that he seems to be helping people (precisely young men), but other than that, I don't have much admiration for him.

@taylorhamilton3343

4 жыл бұрын

I sooo agree Marijana! He is an exceptionally genuine and kind man. I pray for him often.

@RogerBarraud

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrKosobi Your loss, IMHO. Why are you imputing motives rather than considering the message?

@RogerBarraud

3 жыл бұрын

@Rick Lane {{Citation needed|date=July 2020}} :-(

@RogerBarraud

3 жыл бұрын

@Rick Lane Really classy, "Lobsterson" doesn't detract from your supposed points at all, Rick Lame.

Sometimes the unusual pauses in the middle of your sentences really get me "He seems like he's really high-" "- in openness to experience." Like... I think you can imagine where my head went with what you meant for a moment lmao

@faustianrevival3816

4 жыл бұрын

albelnoxroxursox well he was high on pain killers the whole time and he's paying for it now unfortunately.

@albelnoxroxursox

4 жыл бұрын

@@faustianrevival3816 Incorrect. He went on anxiety relief medication because the light of his life and his literal soulmate, his wife, came down with a very volatile type of cancer relatively suddenly and he spent months suffering with the very real and likely possibility that he might lose his other half. Everyone has a breaking point where they are no longer strong enough to rely on themselves alone, and sometimes there's nothing people in one's immediate support systems can do. His philosophy couldn't save him from the unbearable suffering of facing one of his worst fears, and so he turned to medication. When his wife recovered, he realized he couldn't come off it by himself so he took responsibility and sought out the help he needed. Idk what the hell is up with all the people demonizing him for this.

@davidbudo5551

4 жыл бұрын

@@albelnoxroxursox, well said.

@motnik

4 жыл бұрын

I wanted to point that out too, that had me pause for a second and then snicker. Well played!

@LegalTyranny

4 жыл бұрын

@@faustianrevival3816 I didn't hear any thing about pain killers but I definitely heard about him being on benzodiazepines and abusing them. I'm on pain killers most of the time for permanently damaged proximal hamstring and adductors tendons (groin). But I've managed to keep my overall doses low by sticking to the recommended doses, and when I know my pain is significant and steady, by cutting my pills into quarters and dosing on the half life so I get stable effects. There's nothing unfortunate for Peterson though. He's a United Nations agent acting to prevent white males from thinking to form political identity groups to protect themselves, their countries and their interests. Try digging deeper. He's a shill for judeo-masonry.

I enjoy Dr Grande videos and his thoughtful insights

Thank you for recording and posting this though provoking video.

I enjoyed this man’s points. They don’t feel attacking, they feel good. Good job, you get a like

This is almost the only fair critique of Peterson I've ever seen. Well-done.

@TheFaro2011

4 жыл бұрын

I knoooowww

@xyzzdoe3674

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what the point of it was. Shouldn't it have been more of an analysis for a psychological understanding channel? I understand the Dr didn't want to go into specific details, but in doing so it didn't address some of the main critiques of Peterson, particularly on giving out "vacuous" self help advice and being the equivalent of a "Rorsach test" where wholly competing views can find their own meaning in what he says. Plus, Peterson's divisive sociological political views are kinda the point. Might have been better to do it, say, from a standpoint of - is this narcissistic behavior? Or something similar.

@erbyenbe6586

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony Miesel here’s a few other ones about his views on Marxism & Postmodernism. Really educational kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGacytSOeLaqZtI.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYllrsqcdcuefdY.html

@herrwunderbar8658

4 жыл бұрын

@mike gallimore Ya - any grandparent can give you that advice??? Prob say it better tho...

@herrwunderbar8658

4 жыл бұрын

@mike gallimore ha ha😊... sassy comeback & I do appreciate your facetious parley, BUT... to expound on xyzz Doe's point which is the crux to your comment: 1) As a proclaimed "Self-Help" guru w/ books titled "Maps of Meaning" & "12 Rules..." the ire the Dr.'s ideas invoke in academic & intellectual circles is well deserved. His ideas: often hackneyed, using superfluous verbosity to exclaim the obvious. When Bill Maher exclaimed, "Why do I feel what this guy says is just common sense?" it's bc that's precisely his m.o. & that extends to almost all he spouts (esp. "Life advice") put under a scrutinous microscope. And the mental acrobats the reader (listener) has to perform to make sense of the Dr.'s long-winded, hifalutin proclamations leaves one (groupies) to acquiesce an undeserved appeal to authority. 2) Since the Dr. has been a constant critic of Marxist/Communist/Socialist philosophies to then flee to Russia in search of some rehab not available in the "post-modern" west is unabashedly hypocritical. Your anecdote about a fitness instructor is spot-on 👍(better than my ethical commitee politician recently found cheating analogy). His personal trails are inconsequential to his ideas & conclusions, (like dismissing Nietzsche due to his mental dissipation) & to hastily claim, "Well look how many people he's helped!" is an unwarranted appeal to emotion to the issues he's espousing. Taken on their own, his precepts & "Rules" (at face value) may seem wise, but held to any exegesis are found invalid & lacking integrity. ( Like advice to mimick the hierarchy of male lobsters? One may as well take Meine Kampf arguments about the master race seriously, ergo the Nazi comparisons among other radically conservative stances.) This can't be overstated enough esp. for someone called the "Intellectual of our Time" & who has been undeservedly crowned a "Messiah" in the Pscho/Self-help community. If there's any argument that we are not in the realm of the Bizarro - well here we are folks! And as far as our grandparents are concerned Mike G.😉, when they complain about the latest medication they've been prescribed, change the subject to one of the most meaningful events in their life & listen humbly.

Once I was dumped by text. It was a serious relationship. No closure. At the time I was really messed up by it. Years later I suffered a tragic loss, and could see, looking back, that essentially I'd felt a similar level of shock and grief when I'd been dumped so cruelly. Not the same level as my painful bereavement, but the same type of awful feelings and how it floored me.

@constancemccoy6931

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry for your loss.

@Lenticloudular

Жыл бұрын

@@constancemccoy6931 thank you, kind words. 😊

@Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52

10 ай бұрын

​@@LenticloudularHealthy people don't break up in this manner. Your ex might have suffered from narcissistic personality disorder. Your breakup sounds like a classic Narcissist discard. I'm very sorry for your loss. ❤

@Lenticloudular

10 ай бұрын

@@Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52 I agree with you. Narcissistic personality disorder = asshole, eh? With retrospect I saw that. Thank to for your kind words. The person I mourn was an angel. ❤️😇

JP is extremely knowledgeable without question and I do not discredit his intelligence. I am fairly simple and feel sometimes these perceived brilliant individuals can just be 'to smart for his own good" He handles keeping within his wheelhouse of expertise but when elaborating philosophical and or theoretical hypothesis can be a bit grandiose and his abilities in his own mind are beyond the scope of reality and it is very controversial. Then again this is an excellent way to stir the pot and provoke interesting and engaging conversations or debates. In conclusion, he is a very talented, intelligent and envelope pushing style that is intentional for the attention and recognition that will acquire the respect, approval and acceptance of his colleagues and even his critics. Basically, it sells. His approach is effective in what I think his goals are and how to achieve them regardless of outside support or critique. Overall, a very talented, insightful, and articulate with the addition of going above and beyond what he is actually capable of doing. Although it can be very convincing to many. Definitely a profound figure in his areas of expertise. I respect the man. I will just say I give him credit cause it is due to him. Right or wrong, we all are and that is no exception with JP. With that I personally cut the man some slack.

If the relationship that ended was particularly abusive, one could indeed be leaving it with a case of PTSD.

@pieterwessels2855

4 жыл бұрын

Lynnie Lew I think so too.

@lynnielew6165

4 жыл бұрын

@Hugh mungous Dildeaux yup, and said bad relationship may well be the reason for the breakup. Thus, as JP said, some people who have broken a relationship may have PTSD. That was my initial understanding when he said that.

@wotmot223

4 жыл бұрын

I have no desire to offend, but I wonder what experience you have with people who are effected by PTSD? I was diagnosed with it ( combat vet ) and have found a lot of people have lose definitions of what the disorder is.

@lynnielew6165

4 жыл бұрын

@@wotmot223 I have been diagnosed with both "regular" PTSD and Complex PTSD. Struggled with it for decades.

@wotmot223

4 жыл бұрын

@@lynnielew6165 Then you come from a place of understanding, I respect that. And for what it is worth I extend my best wishes and prayers to you.

I am not sure Peterson aims to be ‘entertaining’ 😐 at all. His rambling style seems to be actually his natural thought process. A lot of people ‘gets’ him. A lot of people don’t.

@jackalopegaming4948

3 жыл бұрын

Peterson is quite the fan of Carl Jung, and among the things Jung has talked about are "archetypes" which are basically images and motifs Jung thought were some sort of innate knowledge all humans have in some form such as the archetype of the hero or the father, etc. This is particularly relevant for storytelling, and Peterson has said he does aim to tell stories and keep people interested. From there I would say he does intend to be entertaining in the sense of keeping attention on him when he's trying to convey whatever thoughts he has.

@rubenmunoz2912

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackalopegaming4948 i think that everyone that is teaching something should aim to be entretaining, without detriement of the knowleadge itself of course

@msbramble176

3 жыл бұрын

Yes he does, he admitted such to Russel Brand

@cheria9399

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes people associate the word ‘entertaining’ to evoking extreme emotions or reactions or to performing clownish acts. I think Peterson’s style evokes curiosity and thought. I think he’s entertaining in that manner.

@daviddorman5619

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackalopegaming4948 to further that, a lot of the theorised interpretations of archetypes focus on how an archetype (Great Father, Anima/Animus, etc) can be of merit for humans in explaining. Peterson follows Jung to a high degree, so I feel he takes influence from Jung in this sense. He isn't afraid to enter the realm of storytelling in an educational setting because he sees the utulity in it from a Jungian theoretical standpoint.

I have learned some good things from him. I'm not expecting perfection. I appreciate that he does have good things to say and see no need to nit pick.

Great analysis and I feel exactly the same way - I’m from political philosophy and any philosopher can get involved in that…

What I love about Todd is that he’s always straightforward, honest and candid. There’s no nonsense with him.

@sheldonvandal6895

2 жыл бұрын

That is Dr. Grande to you ;)

@compresswealthdivideeconom3757

2 жыл бұрын

Deliberate.

@vanradosevich4249

2 жыл бұрын

We'll see.

@donditheblondie9758

2 жыл бұрын

Todd

@Su_aSponte

2 жыл бұрын

There is some nonsense. An acceptable amount. He got jokes lol

One danger area for smart people is that some of them may tend to overestimate how smart they are. This is understandable, as they are often the smartest person in the room. But they're not _always_ the smartest person in the room.

@yurikendal4868

3 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness!!

@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8

3 жыл бұрын

Smart people tend to know their limits... Jordan Peterson is just some dude who sells self-help books to a demographic that used to be reluctant to buy them...

@robin-vt1qj

3 жыл бұрын

I think dumber people more often overestimate :p

@technerdchic

3 жыл бұрын

@@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8 I think you need to research Jordan Peterson a little more. He's not just some "dude".

@vancouverterry9142

3 жыл бұрын

@@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8 You're absolutely clueless to say such a thing -- absolutely clueless, beyond ignorant -- more like a threat to the gene pool.

Honestly, his words did kickstart me improving my life. I wouldn't ever suggest putting your faith in a single person, though, and his behavior since in the political sphere is concerning and disappointing, especially considering how kind he comes off as.

Well, I found that chappie interesting until he said that there is no poor people in the United States. Such an outrageous lie took my respect from him. To be so immune to other peoples suffering and to brush their tragedies off so carelessly is just mindblowing. Anyone can say what they want about that person, I just dont want to hear anything related to him.

@heidismutti

Жыл бұрын

Some people have never been to skid row or under any bridge in any large city in the US.

@Thelikebutton123

Жыл бұрын

@The Insatiably Curious Skeptic The poverty in the states is different, but it still exists. For example in certain parts of the US people freeze to death because of poverty, that is not something that you would see in the slums of Bombay India. The suffering is different but it is still there.

@Thelikebutton123

Жыл бұрын

@The Insatiably Curious Skeptic No what he says is not true, there is poverty and poor in the US and people that die from impoverished conditions. However not all poverty or the poor in the US are entitled like you say, some are that way from genetic dispositions of low IQ, congenital disorders, inbreeding. The thing that separates the US from India is that the US does not have a Cast system. If an individual in the US is born into poverty with a high IQ, they have opportunities to climb the ladder of education and become successful and get out of poverty. This foundation of education for all was laid down by the Calvanists since the New England colonies and is what makes the US unique.

Dr Peterson totally changed my life. 2 years ago I was extremely depressed and suicidal. My life and health were falling apart and I was letting it happen. I was in an abusive relationship and not able to care about myself enough to stop it. Then I found Dr. Peterson’s YT channel. I watched every single lecture. His challenge to “rescue my dead father from the abyss” struck a deep emotional chord. I took the challenge and have not looked back. Now I’m getting healthy. No contact with my abusive ex and mother for a year now and life keeps getting better! I can’t thank Dr. Peterson enough for his boldness and for his message. I would not be on this channel today if not for his words breaking through the fog first.

@briangerrits1454

Жыл бұрын

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions who feel the same way you do about Jordan Peterson. I'm one of them, too.

@khester7397

Жыл бұрын

@@briangerrits1454 Me too.

Bravo! Someone that is capable of a RESPECTFUL critique. Well done.

@dannythomas5957

4 жыл бұрын

Meine Meinung du Falafel You’re right! Critique doesn’t have to be respectful, nice, politically or socially correct. Absolutely! Every other critique of Peterson’s work seems to be driven by ideological nonsense. I simply pointed out that this guy did not do that and what he did do, he did with class. So what point are you trying to make?

@09BiGDylan

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully Peterson never comes back to a world stage. He doesn't deserve a platform.

@dannythomas5957

4 жыл бұрын

09BiGDylan He doesn’t deserve a platform? Can you explain why that is? Or is it simply that you are intimidated by someone who has opposing views to your own?

@Neorient

4 жыл бұрын

I am an orthodox Muslim with a BPD wife and I admire both of you.

@timmyg44

4 жыл бұрын

@@09BiGDylan you don't get a "platform" because you deserve it, but instead because someone/somewhere wants to hear what you have to say. Your use of "deserve" implies you need permission, and in your case permission from a social Marxist and all that entails.

Great analysis of JP. I like his honesty and respectfulness as well as clarity but there are times when I don't get what he is trying to say. This was obvious to me when I watched him with Slavoj Zizek as Slavoj is so raw. clear and honest. I like them both. They're needed in today's mad world.

Greetings from Finland. Having watched a number of Peterson's videos here and having wondered about these same questions, I found your eloquent and clear summary very useful!

Very interesting critique from someone that I know personally, and who was my psychology professor in 2002 way before he had achieved his fame. It always seems so surreal that some that I know personally become this world famous intellectual

@guillermoromero3071

2 жыл бұрын

How was he as a professor back then? Do you still listen or read any of his work? Just wondering, thanks :)

@sylviaowega3839

2 жыл бұрын

@@guillermoromero3071 That is a very good question. For starters, back in 2001 he wasn’t effected by fame, so Prof. Jordan Peterson actually very much like himself and was able to see how he really was. I in fact, could see immediately that he had that intense intellectual spark in the very first class that I attended; -and unlike what most people think, he was actually quite extraverted, and was always energized around people. This contrasted me, whom was always very introverted

@jubjub2112

2 жыл бұрын

I had a number of excellent professors at junior college and later at UCLA, but none so engaging, challenging, interesting, or clear as Dr. Peterson. I have watched hundreds of hours of his lectures and I've often thought "Man . . . I wonder how many of those students realize how fortunate they are to have a professor of this caliber!" Nice to see one of them sharing here! :)

@sylviaowega3839

2 жыл бұрын

@@primalcritters Agreed there! Also, there have been other great men of genius, but don’t really know how to teach. One of the reasons as to why Albert Einstein had such difficulties in getting a faculty position, was because he wasn’t good at teaching and sounded more like a monologue according to the other professors who audited his lectures (or mock lectures). Einstein was very introverted like myself, but Jordan Peterson had the great advantage that he was an extrovert

@sylviaowega3839

2 жыл бұрын

@@jubjub2112 Yes I do consider myself very fortunate! I’ve been known also for having quite a catalogue of colorful and interesting acquaintances. Unlike with most of the other intellectuals, Jordan Peterson was an extrovert, which allowed him to lecture without difficulties, be very energetic and even entertaining. Albert Einstein, whom was known to be one of humanity’s greatest geniuses was not known to be a great lecturer, abs even had a very difficult time finding a job as a professor due to his rather monotoned and monologue-like way of of teaching. Unlike Jordan, he was an introvert like myself

Thoughtful and fair assessment; thank you. I went looking for comments regarding him and found yours and Dr Gabor Mate to be the closest to what I've observed

Dr Grande, I would love to hear your analysis of the interesting author and thinker Mr Thomas Sowell . Thank you ! 👍🏻

A very decent critique - clear, without envy or "animosity". Thank you!

can you make an analysis of Oprah Winfrey? I mean PLEASE!!

@dr-ng8te

3 жыл бұрын

Smiles

@ChrisGroggyCreaser

3 жыл бұрын

'A money making' MACHINE... :(

@user-vr5zk9ox8d

3 жыл бұрын

Chris Creaser misspelt sellout

@MrJimmy3459

3 жыл бұрын

A self centered narcissist

@Trollika_Devi

3 жыл бұрын

A grandiose nutjob who pushes snake oil salesmen through her show....who made a career turning suburban white women dumber and ended up being a 'Black Icon'. Okay she had to wear a sack to school and thats terrible but throughout her adult life she mostly distanced herself from pressing issues most black people in her country faced. She and her crew of quacks have to be taken off the pedestal

Thank you Dr. very interesting and valid points you made throughout you clip here. enjoyed it. signed : a frustrated father whose beloved son is struggling with clear symptoms of mental disorder ( schizophernia) but would not accept to see a Dr. for even an evaluation and a meeting :( He does not agree to go to a dentist either and at 32 he would not allow his teeth braces to be removed !! its complicated. ☹

I love that guy he’s brilliant and smart like you are! Awesome video!🤓👍🏻🤓👍🏻

Summary + A good debater: he's polite and listens carefully and generously to the views of his conversation partners. He's speaks articulately, precisely and deliberately. He doesn't let people put words in his mouth. + He's intelligent and productive and has thought very deeply about his opinions and conclusions. + His mix of subject areas makes him interesting and knowledgeable. + His conclusions are interesting and engaging. - Many academics consider his 12 rules to be "simplistic and obvious." - He often "moves a little too far beyond" what his evidence supports when making a conclusion. He arrives at those stretched conclusions via experience and personal opinion without explicitly stating he's doing so, giving him an undeserved air of validity. The example given is a time he gave a conclusion that defied an accepted medical definition without explicitly stating he was doing so. - Some of his lectures, especially some philosophy ones, are too abstract and removed from his source literature to make sense or to have a coherent meaning. - He is hard to follow. - He rarely makes it clear when he is crossing the line between philosophy (opinion) and science. Unsubstantiated criticisms 1. He has rude mannerisms: Todd thinks that's just his deliberate and attentive style. 2. He is unqualified to speak about politics: no one should be barred from political discussion, and JP backs up his views with subjects he is well versed on. 3. He's "ambiguous, murky, and unfocused.": Todd believes this is a product of his multiple subject areas. Though I'm personally not convinced it provides an excuse for it.

@Overwar100

3 жыл бұрын

Very good and interesting summary, thank you.

@vincentvandyke2772

3 жыл бұрын

thats one grip I've had with listening to JP he seemed to be a bit vague or beat about the bush somewhat, maybe I'm being ignorant but its just how I feel.

@RogerBarraud

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you passing off your personal opinions as a 'summary'? Please deconflate and repost.

@RogerBarraud

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jorpando Anything that attempts to bridge academic philosophy and/or psychology and everyday life application and experience, will be criticised from both sides.

@TigerXeN

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the clear pros outweigh the incredibly meticulous negative points

Me and my gf found his book very useful in our lives. We may have been both not been living our best lives, I think that's who he appeals too most. The forgotten people of this world.

Very impressive analysis, Dr. Grande. Really appreciate it.

Nuance and understatement on KZread ... that's a refreshing approach!

This was a very fair and balanced look at Dr. Peterson and his work.

@mabaker

3 жыл бұрын

Dr Peterson...give me a break.

@btat16

3 жыл бұрын

mabaker Someone with a phd has the honour of being called "Dr."

@mabaker

3 жыл бұрын

@@btat16 Yep, given to him by the very institution that Peterson hates the most - give me a break. He is a blatant charlatan who loves the money he got off young, helpless youth online who couldn't be bothered to read real psychological advice or literature.

@fredv6510

3 жыл бұрын

@@mabaker Thats what I sense too man.

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@mabaker Or actual philosophy.

Peterson, in my mind, is a person who synthesizes and combines a lot of different branches of knowledge. So yes, he will sometimes seem a little bit "out there". But that is also what makes him great. It allows us to perceive new perspectives. As for the criticism that his advice books are simplistic, well yes, they are really just a form of folk wisdom that most of us should already know, however, most modern audiences do NOT know it. So the work is important. Also, he does not just give the advice but gives a detailed reasoning behind the advice.

@331Dylan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes his reader are young people who are lost. Not for professor to learn more.

@TheHeadincharge

2 жыл бұрын

He also has a habit of overgeneralizing research or expanding it beyond the scope of what has actually been shown. His discussion on dream interpretation is a perfect example of this as he takes bits and pieces of research and synthesizes it into a statement about dreams that is misleading at best and most likely simply inaccurate.

@dinosore4782

2 жыл бұрын

That’s good for people who don’t like to read books but still like to pretend they are educated . Tell me that’s not what every Jordan Peterson fan is .

@brendanh8193

2 жыл бұрын

@@dinosore4782 That is not treating your audience here in good faith. It comes across as "I'm better than you because I'm educated." Hubris, in other words. You don't need to do that. You don't need to say that. Because, if you do, if you really think that you need to point that out, you are making clear your insecurity, that's all.

@dinosore4782

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendanh8193 blah blah blah. You said everything except that I’m wrong . Becuase you know it’s true, deep down, that’s how you are . Just be honest, it takes alot less sentences to just accept the truth .

I think you can most definitely have ptsd because of a breakup just because it’s not in the criteria it doesn’t mean it should not be unless they want to make it a “rare” less frequent mental occurance

Love Dr Peterson! He is interesting and engaging. Your analysis Dr Grande is well thought and fair

Thanks for an excellent critique. I do agree that Dr. Peterson does occasionally talk beyond his expertise in certain areas, but overall he does a good job.

@claudiapennisi7987

2 жыл бұрын

@Anthony Mendoza I agree with you! Personally I feel he goes beyond his expertise when discussing biblical accounts as if he is a biblical scholar which he is not. God, Jesus and biblical accounts are not to be explained through psychology or philosophy. They are best understood through belief and faith. I realize he is grappling with his beliefs and of course as everyone, has every right to do so. My peeve is that he weeves his ideas in his videos on psychology as if he is qualified theologian. The danger in this is high as many people respect his thoughts, of which I am one, but a person who may be on the fence as to their beliefs will look to his teaching as sound just because he is Jordan Peterson. They may fail to research biblical pastors as a result..pastors who are able to transform you and change your life (i.e.David Pawson, Derek Prince, David Wilkinson, Charles Stanley, John Piper, Voddie Baucham just to name a few). At least they did for me! 🤔

@rickreynolds9306

2 жыл бұрын

He is often the first to say that he is in fact not an expert when discussing certain topics. Especially in his newest content where he talks to very experienced guests about their area of expertise. I've never seen Dr. Peterson suggest that he is an expert on a given topic when he clearly knows he's not. Quite the opposite.

@mambutuomalley2260

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudiapennisi7987 "God, Jesus and biblical accounts are not to be explained through psychology or philosophy" Now that's simply not true.

@claudiapennisi7987

2 жыл бұрын

@@mambutuomalley2260 Personally, I believe if Jordan Peterson would consider Christian study in a seminary he would blow our mind! 🤯

@cristianproust

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudiapennisi7987 Actually it is. The guy gave a lecture in Harvard for 6 years discussing myth in the context of Jungian Psychology, and Christianity plays an important role in that discipline (that was developed by Jung himself).

You're a great person. I dont have a stance yet on Mr.Peterson but I would just like to say that your critique was fair, constructive, and positive. You seem from first impressions a person of major integrity.

Great analysis - again - Thanx so much, Todd 👍

@nickybrown8845

Жыл бұрын

- and ‘open-ended’ is the word here, also with your lectures; and I like that 😊

When Peterson lectures and draws on biblical texts, and examines and explains them through his modern lens of psychology I sometimes get the feeling he is looking at a Rorschach ink blot, and that his “interpretation” says as much about him as it says about the meaning of the text.

@xpsxps1339

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your meaningful comment. I would dare to say that most texts, especially those with a strong philosophical context, are literally material for interpretation - based on the fact that we all have different backgrounds and have gone through different things that have shaped us and the way how we see the world. Jordan Peterson is undoubtedly an interesting person, and his approach is quite unique in the western part of the western world. What I mean by that is approximately this. If you read the comments here (even from educated professionals), many of them praised JP for his help, wisdom, knowledge, insight, etc. I would agree with that (although I disagree with JP on some points), but I have one, I think, significant objection. To most Americans, maybe even Canadians (IDK, I can't judge that since I don't have enough data or experience to do so, thus, I'm speaking more from an "American perspective"), JP is super educated. That's an American view reflecting the overall quality of the American education system. I'm pretty sure that, e.g., the European audience sees JP similarly, however not exactly in the same way. European education is very different from American, and although I am sure JP is seen as a well-versed, thoughtful, and well-educated gentleman in Europe too, the gap between him and his audience in America and Europe is discrepant. Most European high schools teach history and civics as an organic part of the school curriculum. (This also applies to middle grades = children aged 11-15.) Europeans are used to critical thinking and a much wider range of subjects that schools generally teach. E.g., Civics is divided into several years (depending on the type of school/graduate profile), and the curriculum usually includes philosophy, psychology, sociology, economics, political science, and law. Briefly - the European audience would probably agree with these scholars, who point out that JP's view and advice are not so unique, but rather a matter of the common sense that has somehow been lost in America, and a person who educates himself, reads, analyzes and talks about that can easily give the impression he is almost from another planet. Yes, Americans can read, and Carl Jung, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Leo Tolstoy, and others are translated into English. But how many Americans read them...? The general reluctance of Americans to read and learn even their own history is infamous and outrageous. Then, someone like JP comes along and looks like a supernova. I am not trying to belittle him, but if Americans read (more), they wouldn't be so overwhelmed by his knowledge. JP is or was (...?; he currently has some health issues...) considered a supernova in America. In Europe, he would face many such supernovas, and the European audience wouldn't look at them as some alien supermen... America should seriously rethink its values, the separation of church and state, and invest tons of money into the education of our children, so they can be more educated than generations of their parents and grandparents.

@sabinegierth-waniczek4872

Жыл бұрын

@@xpsxps1339 You make some very interesting and important points! I often wonder why so many commenters argue from angles that omit aspects I at least deem obvious, and this impression stems from the education I experienced in Germany during the last quarter of the 20th century (what my grade 8 daughter's is being taught now in Switzerland is different, but not in a good way). Sadly the educational standards in Europe are also declining and decidedly "woked up", which does nothing to enhance the content. Furthermore the funds for schools and universities are successsively diminished - in many schools the parents are even friendly coerced to help renovate the buildings, or e.g. toilets are simply closed if they do not function properly or have been vandalised (even here in CH this is an increasing problem - in my daughter's school [in a village with ca. 4.500 inhabitants!] a toilet was DETONATED and is now closed since ca. three months, instead of being repaired). Due to increasing residential poverty (job losses and diminished incoming taxes due to the pandemic exaggerating the effect) and immigrant influx the communities are financially depleted, and this reflects on the funding for education, as this seems to be the "easiest accessible" department for financial cuts. The US are trendsetters for Europe, we will be following your path rather sooner than later. This is shameful, as ALL (young) people deserve and should get the best possible education, regardless of where they live. Uninformed people make uninformed decisions. But maybe this is the plan. A good read on topic: "Bullsh*t Jobs" by David Graeber. If you have not seen the movie "Idiocracy", i strongly recommend it. This intended satire has evolved into a documentary IMO. Good day.

I haven't seen every Jordan Peterson lecture or interview. I haven't read every book or paper he has written either. The things I have seen and read really impress me. I think he is extremely insightful. I think he has a very practical way of looking at people and the world at large. He has earned my respect.

@graceturpin3000

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, i admire Peterson better than Grande

@vancouverterry9142

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolflarsen1900 Can you give any examples to support what you're saying? Specifically, please give some examples of what is "astonishing far away from any academic standard", and give some examples of what is "senseless and inconsistent" or is "rubbish, outdated or just nonsense". Do you know how the various "five factor" models have been derived? Peterson's lab produced the two senior authors (Colin DeYoung and Linda Quilty) of the best-ever version of the five factor model (called the "Big Five Aspects Scale" in their version) and it's based on factor analysis of many thousands of personality adjectives. Peterson was the third author of the foundational paper for that highly-refined, best-ever formulation of the five factors. The various five factor models look to be so solidly grounded that they reconcile with genetics research and now with the developing field of personality neuroscience. In other words, Peterson and his former students have gone a very, very, very long way with an area of linguistics that's been hugely validated (now in something like 30 languages, maybe more) and they've produced the best-ever formulation of it. Not all linguists have a clue about the five factor model and its derivation -- so perhaps you don't understand that aspect of Peterson's work. Whatever the case, please substantiate your statements about his comments about "language, meaning, etc." to be "rubbish, outdated or just nonsense". A friend of mine did his Ph.D. under Chomsky and he said that Chomsky was badly over-confident in many of his linguistic pronouncements, and one can see a kind of extreme or even delusional, detached, self-satisfied over-confidence in his political pontifications as well. I wouldn't like to think that linguists as a group suffer from that kind of delusional, smug, over-confidence and tendency to make sweeping pontifications that are just self-satisfied hot air. So please, Mr. German Philosopher of Language, instead of your non-specific, grand slurs, and sweeping dismissals, show us enough evidence to prove that you're not just pontificating and full of hot air like all the others who try to score points for themselves by knocking Peterson.

@cashleyrecs9231

3 жыл бұрын

@Wolf Larsen damn you wrote a lot but didn’t give any evidence to support your original point. Please let us know which Peterson comments in the linguistic field you were referring to

@vancouverterry9142

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolflarsen1900 Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? Especially a philosopher who confesses to having the attention span and intellectual integrity of a goldfish. Huff and puff as might, but you didn't substantiate your sweeping slurs with anything worth any respect. You are so inept in linguistics that you don't realize that you're disclosing your amateur status by constantly harping on status themes, and ONLY on status themes. Stay away from the callings that require competence in thinking -- you'd have no future in any of them.

@vancouverterry9142

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolflarsen1900 You made a point of mentioning the brevity of your attention span and the fact that you said you only read the beginning and the end of my post, and not the middle, indicates a lack of intellectual integrity in our exchange just as the fact that you haven't substantiated any of your sweeping statements and slurs about Peterson suggests a lack of intellectual integrity. It's easy to see your immaturity as you dance around avoiding substantiating your claims, even though I am not the only person who's asked for substantiation and who's pointed out to you that your replies are just empty blither. So yes, you have no intellectual integrity.