As a dyslexic atheist insomniac, I’m often up all night wondering if there is a dog

@EGC316

2 жыл бұрын

Three sin't.

@aaronbiglow6573

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@lavernebell6274

2 жыл бұрын

Thats gold!

@felipepineda1585

2 жыл бұрын

Very clever!

@Khempejjer

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant

A real example of two men with very different political and social viewpoints having a thoughtful and respectful conversation on a topic that has brought people to violence for thousands of years. If American politics worked this way, our nation would be immeasurably better off.

@Solid_Snoop

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately politicians feed off of drama. Being a Scottish man who is bombarded by the silliness of both American and English politics, I completely agree with you.

@danhalstead705

2 жыл бұрын

It could still be like that, if we remembered our old addages - things like "but words will never hurt me" and "I may not agree with you but I will defend your right to say it" in place of our new ones: "words are violence" and "if you don't understand then I'm not going to explain it to you."

@BishopJCH

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is in politics is that people have allowed governments to have the power to take resources from one group of people to give to another. In the conversation, neither man loses any resources with an unresolved disagreement. In politics, most often, the minority loses (at a minimum) their money or rights to supply enforcement and execution of someone else's desire.

@frank480

2 жыл бұрын

The intelligent person is flexible in their beliefs and uses debate to learn and grow. A fool believes they have all the answers and uses debate to force their opinions. The cornerstone of intelligence is the ability to change one's mind.

@hossumquat

2 жыл бұрын

Here there is respect. Politicians today lack respect and that is what makes them failures.

Two men who disagree on much, having a discussion without talking over each other (much), and taking the time to actually listen to each other. Listening well is perhaps the greatest gift we can give other people, and it's always encouraging to see it happening.

@joshgreen2164

4 ай бұрын

Agreed

@billyranger2627

4 ай бұрын

Only the calm,collected nature of Stephen forces Peterson to let the message across. As usual, Peterson has nothing to say that he can defend. He lets out ‘there may not be a god’ His aggressive nonsense only impresses those who don’t pay attention. No wonder Peterson has such a following amongst the ill educated. He truly believes in nothing, trlying on his passionate voice to get attention. Listen to few of his talks with intelligent people and u start to wonder how he made it so far. Well done Stephen. Respect.

@Finderskeepers.

3 ай бұрын

Its down to manners, respect and a desire to learn from both of them.

@davidwalker7110

3 ай бұрын

@@billyranger2627he is not a stupid man but agree his arguments have no substance. All fancy word play with no points being made, unravels when he encounters somehow who knows what they're talking about.

@billyranger2627

3 ай бұрын

@@davidwalker7110 u r right. I am at retirement age now. Have spent 3 decades watching all the gains made by people who just wanted good for ALL undone. Media , on the whole, is useless. Internet is being manipulated to keep all interested in shopping,sports and holidays. Breaks me. I am sure many others too. Trumps election there and Johnson across the pond, eased and facilitated by the same media power( 3 families own over 2000 outlets newspapers,radio,tv across the globe ..,) Schools teaching nothing of relevance, university forcing a debt lifestyle on which the modern post capitalist society is thriving. Equity and investment companies moving into residential housing (worldwide), accounting rules will allow them the luxury of keeping ,up to 30% of them vacant if they don’t get their high rents at no loss…… I can go on. Watching Peterson, more eloquent than Trump and his copies coming to power worldwide, makes me sick, angry making the Buddha’s way the only way for me to seek solace. The family feud between the people of the book -Christians Muslims Jews that has dictated the last 1000 years,at least, not seeming to end…." Sorry. I just get angry. Jordans of this world inflict untold damage. Way beyond their capacity to even comprehend. Sad.

I think my favourite thing about this discussion is the fact that both men make reference to numerous bodies of work and the other will immediately get the point the other was making because they have also read it and understand the main underlying principles of said work. I feel that it cannot be overstated how cool that is when a healthy discussion plays out like this.

@bobs8942

6 ай бұрын

So? Did they answer the question or confirm that "God is an Utter Maniac". And what exactly did you learn from this clip?

@mickbanner

6 ай бұрын

If there is a god then its not on a humanic level. To think of the child with a worm in its eye and not the point of view of the worm is predisposed. The think of cancer victims and not the prolific cancer cells is species bias. Its a game on a minor and major scale too vast to grasp any idea of a god

@mastermill79

6 ай бұрын

He enjoyed the respectful intelligent back and forth on the topic at hand. There's no popquiz.

@bobs8942

6 ай бұрын

@@mastermill79 So... then there was really no "confrontation".

@sr400boi

6 ай бұрын

My favorite part was when jordan had no ways of critiquing the quote of Fry.... but jordan knew it hurt his feelings and he didn't like it. Smh. After quoting fry i was expecting peterson to have some sort of critiquing but wow . Nothing

Stephen Fry saved my life and he'll never know as we've never met. Found myself watching his programme about bipolar and the next day I changed my doctor and booked a session with a psychiatrist and finally got the help and diagnosis I'd been looking for my entire life. Thanks Stephen 😎

@pattygould8240

2 жыл бұрын

It would please him to know this. I'm glad for you too.

@ploppysonofploppy6066

2 жыл бұрын

Similar here in helping me to understand my wife's schizo affected disorder. Bumped into Stephen (almost literally) in Boots at Picadilly Circus. Should I have said something? Just nodded and smiled, think that was right. Still wanted to chat though.

@MontyVideo969

2 жыл бұрын

Praying is good. But praying and action works better (mostly).

@eenavid

2 жыл бұрын

well done ,,he is amazing ,,i wonder how many peoples lives have been enriched by him ,,i thought i would give this the usual speed read utube 2 min fix ,,,,but i stayed with the whole thing ,,,

@vincentsavidge05

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

I love how intelligent and non-confrontational Stephen fry is. HIs opinions are his, and he tries to tread carefully when dealing with important topics

@welshhomegrown934

2 жыл бұрын

It's because they are two intelligent people having a discussion why more people can't do this 😒

@bazahaza

2 жыл бұрын

@@welshhomegrown934 Only Stephen is intelligent. There is no God, sorry

@photostudio5861

2 жыл бұрын

@@bazahaza Yes, I actually clicked on because I was surprised that Stephen Fry would talk to a pretentious nitwit like Jordan Peterson.

@1ServantofThor1

2 жыл бұрын

@@bazahaza whether you like Jordan or not, it is a little silly to say he isn't intelligent. Does he quite often speak on things he isn't expert on? Probably. But to say he isn't intelligent is just a falsehood.

@yonderoutdoorsuk

2 жыл бұрын

Two people who yes are intelligent but also incredibly knowledgeable and articulate and these qualities give way to a wonderful dialogue. Anyone who considers Jordan an authority and in any way intelligent, must be willing to listen and hear his arguments without mindlessly dismissing the outright and logical argument for the evidence for a diety. To do that is stupidity at best and sheer obstinacy at worst.

Stephen looks amused, I can't help wonder what he's really thinking underneath his eloquent, polite and lovely self.

@Vislav

2 ай бұрын

I believe he's annoyed by the word salad of Peterson.

@Fmannnn

2 ай бұрын

He was best friends with Christopher Hitchens this is light work for Stephen

@_HeathenChemistry_

Ай бұрын

​@@FmannnnI wish Christopher could have debated Jordan . Rip Hitch😢❤

@_HeathenChemistry_

Ай бұрын

​@@FmannnnI love how they would call each other "old horse" "old crumpet" ❤

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

Ай бұрын

That he cant believe people take Peterson seriously.

I cannot overstate my respect and admiration for Stephen.

@rosafilosi3117

4 ай бұрын

I do...He just thinks he's ultimately above God, because by saying what kind of a God allows suffering, well it goes back to the disobedience of our ancestral parents who did not obey God in the Garden of Eden. It is a simple as that. Today, there is so much evil and so much sin, I only have to watch televsion to see yet another man has killed a wife, an ex-girlfriend, called feminicide, that I do believe in a God who loves us and wants us to repent. There have been saints who loved God, giving their life over Christ in a consecrasted life, yet did not hold it against God, and eventually died too. I can't wait to get to Heaven because I have been baptised and hang on the Christ's apron strings for He claimed that anyone who sees Him sees the Father, and that noone goes to the Father except through Him. I accept all that He did, for He had 12 Apostles who were his eyewitnesses, more than one can say regarding others who rise up and claim to be a prophet of sorts. Well, Almighty God, appeals to humanity's faculty of reason to preannounce in whom we are to believe, so we don't miss him when he comes. The other stumbling block is that most other religions can't get their collective head around a God who can have a select race, in the Jews, the Israelites, with whom He communicated via his prophets, think Isaia, Moses, and so on. I pin my hopes in the religion of Love. No greater love is there than that a man would give his life for others, even when we were still sinners. That's Christ, no other guru, which when one thinks on it, is the concoction of a fertile mind. Sometimes force was used to drive someone to adhere to that philosophy and ideology which is none other than an evil regime. And, women are usually the ones who come off worst. Subjugation is real, and it is still happening today. Christianity is not about subjugating but liberating all people so we can be with Him and the angels and the saints in Heaven, once and for all. Amen to that. So ecstatic for this prospect.

@lifegoals9528

4 ай бұрын

Very good on The Morning Show. He's English but on a US show, which is rare these days.

@SISU889

3 ай бұрын

They are both equally , very interesting and wonderful to listen too . Their respect for each other is very clear to see .

@areyouavinalaughisheavinal5328

3 ай бұрын

Well you haven't stated it at all, perhaps you loathe the man.

@matswessling6600

3 ай бұрын

@@SISU889😂... no... peterson has nothing.

I deeply, and I mean DEEPLY respect two men who can have conflicting ideals and hash them out without savage capriciousness.

@tjackson010509

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said. I couldn’t agree more

@andrewausterfield6710

2 жыл бұрын

It's wonderful to see respectful discourse without name calling and entrenchment.

@paulsmaleThefourthdimension

2 жыл бұрын

That's because these two have evolved to another realm, the only difference is they have evolved in two different directions. The match they are playing out is like a game of tennis, the same game being played out with the majority, and the minority of the entire human race. One side is trying to deceive themselves to win over the other, and the other side is trying to win over self denial and deceit. That is what a psychologist is supposed to do.

@tmctommygun4696

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a big word that i now know

@tonybates7870

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I know what you mean. I find it really hard to stay reasonable, especially with religious apologists.

This is the only interview where I've seen Peterson REALLY have to explain every facet of his conclusions. And it's because Fry is WELL aware of the literature that Peterson bases his philosophies on. I would LOVE an in person dialogue between them.

@Smorans

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, it would be wonderful to see them together, but perhaps with an intermediary, as (though this is one reason I love them both) they can both tend towards getting a little off piste without mild direction lol

@bertiesaurus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Smorans I think if they had a more structured debate with a preparation for the subject, it would be more focussed and direct, but I think it is equally enjoyable and important to see how different arguments and trains of logic can completely morph the subject of conversation.

@Smorans

2 жыл бұрын

@@bertiesaurus that’s a very good point. The Munk debate that featured them both was very enjoyable for that reason

@ekinteko

2 жыл бұрын

It felt like Jordan was being assertive with his claims at first, and Fry who is a well-read intellectual actually digested what was said and picked it apart. And that's why it seemed like Jordan was changing the subject. I'd hate to see how Jordan Peterson would be humiliated by the late Hitchens or perhaps Richard Dawkins.

@bertiesaurus

2 жыл бұрын

@Sambo Jones ^

This level of calm yet intense,intelligent, respectful and genuinely curious and insightful conversation is absolutely the standard we should all attempt to attain

@laurencewhite4809

3 ай бұрын

Not always. There is no god, so why spend time debating it?

@coopertrooper87

3 ай бұрын

@@laurencewhite4809 Lol, because thats an opinion not a fact. Facts ypu cant debate, opinions you can. And must!

@olivernewton8584

3 ай бұрын

​@laurencewhite4809 spiderman is real, trust

@danielkelley7548

2 ай бұрын

Seriously. Yes. Well said

Enjoyed the conversation, but why is it I understand Steven Fry so easily and find Jordan Peterson so convoluted?

@floranifae8408

2 ай бұрын

It's called obfuscation. 😂 he needs to learn to speak plainly. Language is a beautiful thing but I find it exhausting listening to him too...

@StevieWyatt

25 күн бұрын

It reminds me of the words of Richard Feynman; "If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it"

@makavelismith

18 күн бұрын

@@StevieWyatt This one annoys me though, as it's completely untrue. It means that you can't communicate your understanding. There is no valid argument beyond that.

@tomwilko7841

3 күн бұрын

i think the way in which fry speaks in what is close to rp english definitely helps his cause with a lot of people, not saying ur one of those but that accent undeniably opens doors in the entire english speaking world

Fry is so calm, considerate, smart, articulate, warm and funny!

@macewindu9635

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@michaelegan6037

10 ай бұрын

@@macewindu9635 fry is false like the rest of you who believe in him fry loves £££

@cbvagabond

9 ай бұрын

He's blasphemous!!! No he's not funny! I wouldn't touch that book with a bargepole!

@matthewstokes1608

9 ай бұрын

He’s about as funny as cancer

@mattsmith9469

9 ай бұрын

@@cbvagabondThere is no such thing as blasphemy. It is a made up nonsense word about being offended rather than engaging (politely and respectfully) with someone. Plus you can’t offend something that doesn’t exist. Bizarre set of words.

I come from a place where winning a discussion is done by raising your voice or making fun of your opponent. I find peace in my mind to know that there exist these intellectuals who can discuss ideas and concepts in a civilised manner

@meelodeshmeeelo2034

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly how our members of parliament behave in the House of Commons in the UK.

@josephspiteri6178

Жыл бұрын

Myzaffar Ahmad. In Malta where I live it is the same story. Healthy arguments are as rare as finding a chunk of gold in a Highway.

@paul1979uk2000

Жыл бұрын

The irony is, the moment someone has to raise their voice or make fun of the opponent, they have already lost the argument because people that can't win an argument, usually try to deflect and to try and change the topic of the argument to something else that isn't related to the topic at hand. So take comfort in that when an argument goes that way, you've won that argument and just let them rant like a loon. It also helps if you understand a lot of psychology as it's remarkable how much information people give away by their body language, how they say things and other little hints.

@mechamahou8467

Жыл бұрын

It's funny because Jordan resorts to insulting and dismissing those who disagree with him all the time lmao. He has a whole channel where he professionally whines... about intentionally getting himself banned on Twitter lmfao.

@elizabethshannon24

Жыл бұрын

AHMAD. These intellectuals discuss various topics out of curiosity, a desire to learn from one another - that is what makes them so interesting. They do not engage in argument (as you call it) in order to win but to learn. Only a proud man wants to win - that is why he will always make a fool of himself. How silly. What is there to win? All you want to do is show off how clever you are or at least show that you are cleverer than the other person and that is just vanity.

I feel Fry is being very, very patient.

@86Rikki

3 ай бұрын

Peterson seems to be losing his mind

@jerpetmokum4946

3 ай бұрын

I feel Peterson is very very patient

@liam7342

3 ай бұрын

He is and always has been, he's a gentle beautiful man with great sadness from looking at the world. Peterson is a right wing dog whistle using psudointolectual language while masquerading as a scientist (he's on the sociology side of an already dubious science).

@lloydnicholls1439

3 ай бұрын

​@liam7342 Peterson is also somewhat disingenuous. He constantly waffles around his Jungian concept of religion because he knows that most of his followers are right-wing Christians. Most of them wrongly assume he isn't an atheist.

@Idle_Hands

3 ай бұрын

@@liam7342 I'll mention you in preyer tonight. God bless

No condescension, no hyperbole, no anger... just two very intelligent men having an intelligent, amiable conversation.

@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg

6 ай бұрын

Well, one very intelligent man and Jordan Peterson.

@donmongoose

6 ай бұрын

@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg The fact you state Jordan Peterson isn't intelligent because he has opinions you disagree with suggests that if you were in a room with them, there'd be 2 intelligent people there and you'd not be one of them.

@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg

6 ай бұрын

@@donmongoose learn to read, clownshoes. That's not what I said. Peterson is an extremely mediocre academician, an extremely derivative author, and a theological fraud. Nothing to do with whether I agree with him or not - I actually DO agree with him on his basic premise about reading religious texts as living documents, the difference is - he lies about it now.

@Pigeon249

6 ай бұрын

​@@donmongooseUsing big words doesnt make you intelligent. Peterson has gone utterly insane as of the last few years and most people can see it

@donmongoose

6 ай бұрын

@@Pigeon249 I don't think he's intelligent because he uses big words, I think he's intelligent because he can understand and converse on numerous complex subjects and offer meaningful explanations for different things. I'll certainly agree I find myself disagreeing with him a lot more than I used to a few years ago, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly turned stupid.

Why does Jordan sound like he’s always on the brink of tears?

@TheClassicWorld

2 жыл бұрын

Because sometimes he is (though it's not that common, honestly, so I wouldn't say, 'always'). As it turns out, Fry has the same problem/thing when dealing with really serious subjects (God/debates, for example). More common for Jordan, though. Of course, one reason is that Fry, and others, are not as emotionally attached/serious about it, so they don't have to worry as much: they just say, 'God is evil' and walk away, whereas, Jordan says, 'man is evil' and sits down. Big difference between those two frameworks and levels of depth. I saw Fry get very upset once, for example, when he was saying that, 'we don't need pain/suffering to know/be happy -- you can just be happy'. Of course, that's completely incorrect from a biological/objective standpoint, and I also think a psychological/subject standpoint, as well. That would be his 'soft liberal' coming out and his shallow bias towards everything religious, including the basic reality itself: life is suffering -- and to know happiness, you must also know pain, otherwise, you have no sense of what 'happiness' even means, or why these states exist and matter, nor their purpose; in fact, the problem with leftist types to begin with is they think the purpose of life is to just be mindlessly happy, even at the cost of the future itself and stability, etc. Very different frameworks here. And Jordan is extremely invested, where most public thinkers/speakers are not (Jordan is also just more emotional than a lot of the leftist public thinkers/speakers, so they are much more without emotion overall). Not really a bad thing, though, as it's partly what helps Jordan be who he is, of course, and to do his job, and care about it (for the last 45 years, anyway).

@Cerealcasual

2 жыл бұрын

Well didn't you hear him? He had dealt with a lot of severe health issues and its very clear the pain from that has scarred him physically and emotionally.

@keithhunt5328

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cerealcasual I think its also because he is a clinical psychologist and deals with people in their pain.

@Banjomute

2 жыл бұрын

It's his go-to credibility bandaid when he knows his argument is on thin ice.

@keithhunt5328

2 жыл бұрын

@@Banjomute lol

Best quote from Stephen Fry, when he was at school: Teacher: "Stop trying to be clever" Stephen: " Ok . how how stupid do you want me to be?"

@newtonbelieved

2 жыл бұрын

'So then the question is what is the appropriate attitude, given that the argument that you make is an actually extraordinarily powerful argument, and I don't know the answer to that, but I do know, I think, that resentment and anger, and even the motive that would make you want to say that to God himself I think, that's probably not helpful. I came to that with great difficultly, I've had my reasons to be angry, especially recently, because I am suffering from a lot of pain and it makes me resentful and angry and wanting to shake my fist, but I found on intense consideration that there was nothing in that that didn't make it worse and therefore that must be wrong, even though it's justifiable.' He said this on May 18, 2021. In March 2021 Jordan had his second Saturn return, (activating his natal Saturn-South Node/Mars/Neptune T-square), and Neptune square his Sun, followed in April by Uranus activating the same T-square. Ouch. When you look at the severity of the hard aspects in his and his wife's birth charts you gain a lot of understanding regarding the wisdom of this couple, it is to a large extent wisdom gained from pain. So, here we have two brilliant men completely oblivious about an extremely important aspect of the nature of the universe they live in, discussing their interpretations of the nature of the universe, while millions stare in awe, goggle-eyed at their astoundingly impressive levels of intellectual prowess. Just reinforcing the value of the gift of astrology we have been given. Commoners, less-educated laypersons, unemployed losers, stoners, hippies, housewives, just ordinary people, all with a better grasp of the playing field than many of the best minds on the planet.

@laststand6420

2 жыл бұрын

"Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him." A proverb of Solomon

@professornuke7562

2 жыл бұрын

Adrian hopping on one leg over the grass. Teacher: Can't you read , boy? Adrian:Yes, Sir. I'm very good at reading! Teacher: The sign clearly says not to walk on the grass! Adrian: Not walking, Sir. Hopping!

@mnomadvfx

2 жыл бұрын

@@laststand6420 Sounds like the sort of rhetorical nonsense that the bible is full of.

@laststand6420

2 жыл бұрын

@@mnomadvfx I will pray for your lost soul, that you may be blessed.

Fry is excellent. His cool, articulate come backs are gold.

A serious discussion between 2 intelligent respectful people ! No insults , no cursing! This is very refreshing!

@SeanONilbud

2 ай бұрын

LOL no.

@alabastercodefy5636

2 ай бұрын

One intellectual and one pseudo intellectual

@mikutho9820

2 ай бұрын

i dont know what is intelligent about jordan

I find listening to both Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson to be a very pleasing experience. They're examples of our ability to discuss and disagree using words. Polite words. Polite words and eloquence. We need more of this ability in society.

@aliasofanalias7448

2 жыл бұрын

It's a natural human reaction to feel insulted when someone disagrees with you, it's also very ignorant and anyone who thinks like that should assess their thought process

@Clodaghbob

2 жыл бұрын

Civilised.

@VikingOlberg-NymoenOfNorway

2 жыл бұрын

Amen😅

@alainmaitre2069

2 жыл бұрын

@@VikingOlberg-NymoenOfNorway Amen ? That is a religious word .

@VikingOlberg-NymoenOfNorway

2 жыл бұрын

@@alainmaitre2069 Well arent you a true comedian. You cant fix stupid I've heard.

The way they respect and communicate with each other while having a healthy conversation about a very controversial topic is to be admired.

@Frederik_uk

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to respectfully disagree, this wasn't a healthy conversation. Jordon Peterson took a quote out of context and attacked it for being morally wrong. The first half of this is them talking past each other. Jordon Peterson struggles immensely to imagine a world where a god doesn't exist where Stephen fry can easily switch between the two ideologies. When JP lays his arguments about whether we have to make meaning for ourselves or ordained by God, Fry just laughs in his face because it's such a stupid statement. All of his supporting arguments end up being calls to authority, ie god. Something that Stephen already clearly stated he doesn't believe in. I'm gonna have to go back and watch some of those lectures again with a critical ear because fuck there's something really slanted about the things he says today

@Neil-qg9cw

Жыл бұрын

Peterson is an intellectual lightweight in comparison to Stephen Fry. Surprised he didn't start crying again like most of his recent conversations. Man lost it after his benzo addiction.

@Enoch-Root

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Peterson doesn't respond to people. He goes off on bizarre tangents rather than replying directly. He doesn't communicate well at all when it comes to religion, he just starts spouting word salad.

@jamesfisher1808

Жыл бұрын

@@Frederik_uk saw no attack he started with it which fry knew he was Gona start off with it's a great starter to clarify things

@Frederik_uk

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesfisher1808 Are you deaf? JP starts with a quote which JP presents as Fry's genuine belief and say it's morally wrong. What JP did was attack the straw man. Not grapple with any genuine philosophy. If anyone is interested in a serious conversation about this look at the Cambridge debate on free will with Stephen fry and other genuine philosophers. It's titled: This House Believes Free Will Does Not Exist | Cambridge Union

that was a privilege to listen to that discussion

Great conversation. Listening to eachother and using reflection. Its not about,who is right,but sharing thoughts & respecting eachother pov. Thank you for posting this. ❤

Yes. Adults in conversation. Philosophising. Our planet and people sorely need these kind of contemplations and respectful communications.

@supercat380

Жыл бұрын

Correct. These gentlemen are well- educated, honourable and civilized, as opposed to many idiots predominant in this world who talk without logic

@GhenAurwin

Жыл бұрын

I love your username. Excellent. And I agree with your comment . Thanks.

@Vengeance1978

Жыл бұрын

Bekindtoanimals. Spot on 👍👍👏

@darthdude5122

Жыл бұрын

people like that were commonplace before the lunacy took hold

@supercat380

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you! Each person may may his/ her opinion as long as it does not inflict potential harm to the other person eg, being derogative, vulgar, racist or anti- Semitic. Respect for all decent people

This type of discussion is sorely missing in our world today. Two remarkably intelligent men who fundamentaly disagree on a topic but respectfully discuss it.

@yonderoutdoorsuk

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with everything you say. We have lost the art, skill and mostly even the will to debate with intelligent debate. So refreshing and stimulating to hear this.

@ElShmiablo

2 жыл бұрын

How can there be a disagreement over religion? It isn't real. Anybody arguing it is clearly isn't a very intelligent person.

@Allan-mf1he

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing what happens when you are able to put egotistical pride to the side. Having an understanding that being wrong leads to more correct understanding. I find i difficult sometimes especially if the correction comes from a youth. Appreciated none the less.

@yonderoutdoorsuk

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElShmiablo Religion is very real. I think you're more likely to be questioning the existence of a diety. But this is a huge part of the excellence of this conversation. Rational dialogue, intelligently informed and debating in both directions. It's a wonder to behold. It's not just unsubstantiated arguments but assertions underpinned by evidence on both parts. This is the gross error people fall into. They don't consider the evidence. So they make simplistic and sweeping statements which if challenged they could simply not support or substantiate.

@planeguy95

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. If only our politics was carried out in the same way

Stephen Fry is amazing. Absolute legend of a human.

@skysurferuk

3 ай бұрын

I miss him on Q.I.

@vivienneoneill5400

20 күн бұрын

Yes yes.❤❤❤❤❤

Peterson is not trying to convince or out compete Fry, he's just enthusiastic about the topic and happy to have someone who is as interested in the topic to talk to.

I love Stephen Fry. Each time I listen to him, I'm staggered by his intellect. The ability to construct arguments as he does quoting references so freely is stunning. I can't remember why I came upstairs 😂

@robertwright7937

Жыл бұрын

Was it to get your shoes? I always leave my shoes upstairs, for some reason.😄

@troubadour1562

Жыл бұрын

@@robertwright7937 ha. It usually starts me going upstairs for my phone charger, once there I see a shirt that needs hanging up. Then I remember a toilet roll needs replacing in my ensuite bathroom. So I come downstairs to collect a toilet roll. Once downstairs, I check the front door is locked. It isn't so I look for the keys. The place where I keep my keys, is also where I keep my lottery tickets. I see there's a lottery ticket and decide to check it. So far, no phone charger, no toilet roll and front door still unlocked. I could go on but you get the picture ha. Ha.

@robertwright7937

Жыл бұрын

@@troubadour1562 I think we're both the same, mate. I was looking for my phone the other day. I was talking on it at the time.🥴👍

@troubadour1562

Жыл бұрын

@@robertwright7937 brilliant! 🤣

@stanleyjackson5963

Жыл бұрын

Staggered by his mind but don't ypu ask who designed those minds. Simple minds still lost in their human foibles lmao

This is proof that there is an art to argument, a lost art, that many fail to realize exists. Arguments do not make us enemies. Arguments should strengthen the bonds between two people, and allow us to appreciate one another more based upon the language used between us, as opposed to making enemies of us.

@oleggorky906

Жыл бұрын

I would say debating, but yes, I see what you meant. Some people are very good at arguing and finding fault ... but they could never debate like this. You can only fully understand your own point if you have fully taken the opportunity to understand the extent of somebody else’s first.

@stevodoublel200

Жыл бұрын

I LOVE debate LOVE IT!

@mas3nk0ssj77

Жыл бұрын

I would say discussion, in arguments you try to win, I see discussion as an attempted to understand the other person

@scarlett_j

Жыл бұрын

In the meantime Johnn has a contract w/ his boss to slave tomorrow until 1100pm on an extra shift. At the same time the boss will be banging his wife, and John's friend knows who is also sleeping with his wife, and his sister. Of whom 2 agreed to kill John, and 1 wants to kill his wife, so he can have a subbing relationship w/ John's boss. Whom would never agree, but the sub has connections with John's boss his true connection who decides the funds that go to John's boss his company, being the only supplier, and promised him John's wife. John thinking he will get a promotion, while even his sister is neutral and has a relation with their supplier. The real question is would she sell out John, or his wife?

@steveo1413

Жыл бұрын

These are highly intelligent men on opposite sides of a belief system. The uncivil vitriol we see from a majority of politicians (left and right) are because they are overwhelming unintelligent, useless, and incompetent fools.

Thank you both for a wonderful example of passionate respectful discussion. So very interesting, I thoroughly enjoyed your interaction.

The biggest problem with this discussion is that it shows us how a discussion and debate (with disagreement) should be done ... and now we have to go back and watch our politicians (of all sides) wholly fail to do it right!

@solemgameinsights

3 ай бұрын

This here is the conclusion people should draw. Not the "Oh X was patient".

I don't ever want this to end. It's so professional, respectful, interesting. Imagine what would happen if more of us could have conversations like this. Especially involving politics and things that could make a real difference in our world.

@jacdimond

2 жыл бұрын

From a scientific perspective, God couldn't exist because he or she or it would have to go backwards in time and forwards time. Forwards in time is possible under our understanding of time but backwards is improbable due to that same understanding

@vitorodino8760

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacdimond I don't believe in god, but the laws of physics don't apply to the creator of the universe. To say that "God can't go back in time because our understanding of time suggests that it is impossible" is an invalid argument.

@adolfrahmer6809

2 жыл бұрын

@@vitorodino8760 who is "the creator of the universe"?

@jacdimond

2 жыл бұрын

@@vitorodino8760 that's an opinion, not a fact as you cannot prove God is real or not so therefore cannot prove that God is exempt to the laws of physics. Therefore every possible scenario is valid until disproven 😉

@justingary5322

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry having a mutually beneficial conversation is DOPE 😎. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

My contribution to this conversation, if I was there: "I saw Fast and Furious 9 the other day..... it was all right."

@kamranabbas2438

2 жыл бұрын

I read "it was all right" in Karl Pilkington's voice.

@petehobson1054

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamranabbas2438 lol even better!

@fusakei1825

2 жыл бұрын

karl pilkington would make this conversation so much more amazing

@WilliamsDinis

2 жыл бұрын

@@fusakei1825 "what are you on about?" 😂

@gravypatron

2 жыл бұрын

Cathy Newman, "So, you're saying..."

God is not what you think it is but Stephen is exactly what you think he is, a British treasure, a wonderful man who I will always learn from every time I hear him speak ❤

@puffherb

3 ай бұрын

God doesn't exist, saying "god is not what you think it is" is a ridiculous comment. If you think god exists in ANY capacity you are a delusional person.

@adamnave1078

2 ай бұрын

@@puffherb in the same way you could say that saying the existence of god is a definitive falsehood is wrong because it assumes we would be able to understand a higher beings existence and prove it to be true or false your comment doesnt really contribute nor mean anything because it can be used for either side.

@puffherb

2 ай бұрын

@@adamnave1078 lol

Great dialog - thank you for sharing.

This is what a thoughtful, mature, sensible conversation is. No demeaning or condescending words against each other. This is an art of communication that is getting lost. Imagine what a better world this would be if ppl could talk to each without all the hatefulness.

@Sparkpark228

2 жыл бұрын

Because very few people are in the level of intelligence and understanding these two guys have. Unfortunately for us.

@wasimjasin5485

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sparkpark228 not to forget eloquence and well built vocabulary.

@guiraus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sparkpark228 That's a pedantic opinion. It has nothing to do with intelligence. There's plenty of intelligent discussions on KZread that are unsufferable. What's outstanding about this conversation is the mutual respect that they have for each other despite their differences. That's what is lacking in our modern culture, the ability to dissasociate ourselves and others from ideas, and this emerges from an ethic or a value, not from an inherited ability such as intelligence.

@helenwalker5210

2 жыл бұрын

I think they come at this from emotional intelligence, they are listening to each other’s perspective and neither one is pushing from an ego that needs to be “right”

@redadamearth

2 жыл бұрын

Education and the championing of education and intellectual curiosity has been lost - and social media algorithms are essentially creating cults of misinformation. Most people can't have a conversation like this because they simply lack the education that gives CONTEXT (and specifically, historical context) to ideas. Hence: I disagree with you = violence. At least 75% of the planet couldn't even follow this dialogue. Most people don't even understand *why* they believe what they believe.

The entire conversation was an amazing conversation with nothing but mutual respect between both men.

@decimustv4257

2 жыл бұрын

You are a fool.

@RodFleming-World

2 жыл бұрын

That's only because Fry realised that his usual bullying strategy would not work and that Peterson is a lot smarter than he is. So he toadied up to him. Utterly ghastly man.

@RodFleming-World

2 жыл бұрын

@Doge di Amalfi Fry is a schoolyard bully, nothing more. He hates being cut down to size.

@dylandgb

2 жыл бұрын

@@RodFleming-World Stephen fry is way more intelligent than Jordan peterson and your pathetic attempt to discredit him doesn't wash with anyone who's not just brainwashed by religion. Furthermore your attempt to paint Fry as anything but an immensely respectful intellectual is just showing how much of an bully you are, and not him

@RodFleming-World

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylandgb keep crying, you're amusing.

Now this is how a debate and robust discussion should be had it is one of the most important skills to have and it is a pleasure to view to utterly impressive conversation

Outstanding conversation!

Hate to say it, this is the one time I've seen JP on toast. "You're not being helpful" is not a good response to "if you believe in a good god, why does he give children cancer or create bugs who's only existence is cause blindness in kids". JP had NO answer. I wish Stephen Fry would do more of these debates because he is a real sage, ruthless intellect and wit that we are losing from socirty all too quickly. Viva Mr Fry.

@LPCLASSICAL

Жыл бұрын

correct. Peterson is angry with god because he believes in a god and he is saying that is not helpful. Fry's angry is merely rhetorical. It is not about anger - helpful or not - it is about what is true. But to be fair Peterson does say he has no solution or answer to the problem of suffering.

@aut0mat1c11

Жыл бұрын

@@LPCLASSICAL well, God declared the end from the beginning and all the way to ancient times, things that are not done. Think of us a just chess pieces and God is the grand master against his adversary the devil. All of the suffering and triumph and loss and relief that we experience is all planned out before the foundation of the world. For whom he did foreknow he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that they be first born among many brethren. He is the LORD God, he makes alive, he wounds, he heals. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy on.

@DH-og5yr

Жыл бұрын

@@LPCLASSICAL jp is speaking as a psychologist. Mentally what is best is not always what is objectively true but what is helpful. From a cbt perspective. Since there is not much objective truth to be found anyways, might as well be happy.

@VandescoGamer

Жыл бұрын

@@aut0mat1c11 I mean yeah, except none of that is real. So, there's that.

@LPCLASSICAL

Жыл бұрын

@@DH-og5yr Yes I acknowledge that. Delusions can make you happy and be a positive force and help you achieve goals. Like Dumbo's magic feather. Personally - I prefer to live my life free from unjustified beliefs - even at the cost of happiness. But each to their own way.

How blessed are we all to live in a world where we can witness conversations like these no matter where we are in the world. It was not always so.

@phantasticmrphasma9874

2 жыл бұрын

Its sad to see how jordan has deteriorated following his traumas and struggle with addiction. The jordan of two/three years ago was far less agenda-driven. His level of emotion and nervous-energy here made it more of a battle than a genuine conversation. Fry clearly greatly respects petersons impressive intelligence because here i see thst fry is humouring jordans borderline-neurotic intensity. A discussion between these two three years ago would have been a more healthy one

@ElShmiablo

2 жыл бұрын

@@phantasticmrphasma9874 Peterson has always been a very obvious grifter. That you didn't catch on until recently isnt anyone's fault but your own.

@Allan-mf1he

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. There was the salons of not so old in the bigger scheme. Were critical thinking was encouraged. Not so much in our time. Does not fit with the distract and disarm agenda of the..

@bws833

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree but sadly it IS not always so.

@phantasticmrphasma9874

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElShmiablo no he hasn't.. That you think he is reveals how weak and delusional you are

I love how well Fry disguises how bemused he is with the simplicity of Peterson's analysis, all dressed up with fancy words and academic name dropping.

@gsvenddal728

4 ай бұрын

that's why I clicked on it, having heard enough Peterson to have little respect for him. I for one could use more of Fry's restraint and gentlemanly behavior.

In a situation where you have no idea what the conversation will entail or what direction it will take, where there's no preparation, there's very few people on the planet who could keep pace with Fry.

Ah an intellectual conversation. A phenomenon that is so close to extinction. It's so beautiful to watch two civilized people discuss their thoughts in a gentlemanly manner.

@QuinnieMae

2 жыл бұрын

M C I urge you to make new friends as these conversations are nowhere _near_ extinction. These conversations happen everywhere every day! Most of us don't have a KZread channel to put them on display in a way most people would want to hear, but they happen. I absolutely adore Stephen and have loved his work for years. I truly enjoy Peterson and his classroom lectures; what an amazingly empathetic and intelligent and passionate teacher.

@sonofbelz

2 жыл бұрын

It's really not, you're just looking in all the wrong places.

@Dino23968

2 жыл бұрын

God didn’t bring suffering into existence. That was Satan’s doing when he tricked Adam and Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, which brought evil and discord into existence. So if you wanna blame someone for ruining one’s life or making life unfair, that’s something you should only blame Satan for and not God.

@ljubomirjuraj9658

2 жыл бұрын

It's a conversation with a intellectual, and the other person is Peterson.

@votephillips2564

2 жыл бұрын

trump is gone. 👅

Two brilliant men having a conversation. Just a privilege to listen to.

@dariuszscharsig568

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I enjoyed every minute of the full interview. When those extraordinary men speak, ordinary men like me shut up and listen. With joy ;)

@jtl909

2 жыл бұрын

Well, one brilliant man. Peterson’s schtick is initially impressive but over the years you realize there’s not much depth there.

@jeffmaehre7150

2 жыл бұрын

@@jtl909 It was never vaguely impressive to me. He's a raving idiot.

@moonshoes11

2 жыл бұрын

One brilliant man, and a charlatan.

@garysnow1475

2 жыл бұрын

And yet if just one were another color...

This is just such a great discussion. I highly value (most of) the opinions of both these men in general, so watching them argue is just mind-blowing!

What a pleasure watching two men of opposing views having a decent and respectful conversation. So it's mostly about being humane and decent rather than intellectual.

A great respectful discussion of opposing views... We need more of this in the world today.

@AlexandraVioletta

2 жыл бұрын

This is the way I live my whole live and it getting harder every day.

@justingary5322

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Many people lack the ability to engage in social interactions period much less mutually beneficial conversations with those who will disagree with them. Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry having a mutually beneficial conversation is DOPE 😎. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

@neasahayes6044

Жыл бұрын

Yes both listening to the other without trying to shout each other down which is standard today. And able to listen to the other's POV with the intention of trying to understand rather than prove oneself the victor.

This type of discourse used to be mainstream 50+ years ago. What a shame it isn’t now.

@marioglory8528

Жыл бұрын

STEPHEN FRY STANDS FOR SUPPORTING THE GREEKS TO CLAIM BACK THE PARTHENON MARBLES AFTER STOLEN FROM LORD ELGIN 200 YEARS AGO FROM GREECE AND NOW ARE DISPLAYED IN BRITISH MUSEUM

@burna1282

Жыл бұрын

Your fault. Don’t blame the kids of today who were raised by the lazy. Anyone born 1960-80 is to blame for every problem of today. Don’t blame a 16 year old for something their parents and grandparents did.

@Altoseb

Жыл бұрын

@@burna1282 You haven’t done much with that comment to assuage the stereotype of the internet nutcase have you? What on earth are you taking about? I was born in 1981.

@alfiegoff96

Жыл бұрын

Here it is with 3 millions views - media is a different landscape now

@Altoseb

Жыл бұрын

@@alfiegoff96 You’ve missed the point. The point is that 50 years ago two people talking calmly and rationally about politics & philosophy on television was the norm, just as reading Tolstoy, Dostoevsky & Gogol in the late 19th century was the norm for the average Russian. Now you have reality TV and other debauched idiocy. 3m views for a globally accessible video that was uploaded a year ago isn’t much to shout about.

Two guys with opposite views discussing it properly and not arguing. How refreshing it is. Love both these guys

I've just watched the most intelligent conversation for the third.time and I'm still in awe these superior intellectual humans they should form a social group

What a joy. Two different, clever people. Different politics, ‘morals’, philosophy. Not screaming. Not insulting. Enjoying commonality. 5 minutes elapsed and no one was called a fascist or nazi. What an indictment and example to modern social media.

@stephenletts4942

Жыл бұрын

Stephen Fry is listening -open eyes -mind. Peterson does not listen he pontificates - he is firm in his beliefs, and thinks his science is right and everyone is wrong, over time listening to him, and seeing how one is chasing windmills, trying to find meaning in life.

@Harry-Paritestis

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenletts4942 ah well. You can’t please everyone. I find him fascinating. I also find it strange he can reconcile evidence based argument with his religious convictions. He actually strikes me as someone who listens very carefully to exactly what is being said.

@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

Children are made to suffer because reincarnation exists, they are paying for their sins committed in past lives. Both Jesus and Buddha taught reincarnation but the creepy RC Church removed reincarnation from Christ's teachings in the fourth century. God always makes sense. To return to Heaven, our birthplace, our slate has to be clean and suffering is the Way.

@Harry-Paritestis

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514 😞 Bore off.

@Josh-sj9ig

Жыл бұрын

One of them calm and rational the other a babblering, teary mess.....

As an atheist I’m with Stephen Fry all the way but I do have great respect for Jordan Peterson because he very rarely argues with an intention to prove the other person wrong or make the other person look stupid. He’s genuinely interested in other peoples takes on these topics. They’re just having a deep philosophical conversation about the existence of god

@vanessampatlanyane3895

2 жыл бұрын

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@vanessampatlanyane3895

2 жыл бұрын

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@vanessampatlanyane3895

2 жыл бұрын

S2s

@silversurfer4259

2 жыл бұрын

S2sss

@onsenguy

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson would certainly like to prove the other person wrong if he was able to, but he simply cannot because his arguments are not that good for the existence of a deity. Historically, whenever a freethinker and a religious person argue the existence of God, the free thinker gets the best of the argument. This is not a criticism of the religious person but rather because the religious person thinks they have knowledge when in fact they only have opinion and thus cannot cogently argue their position.

This is really really great, thank you so much.❤❤❤❤❤❤

There is no good without the existence of evil and no love without the existence of choice. Wishing everyone well on their journey in finding the Truth, whoever you are and wherever you are at.

I did not see any confrontation. I saw two men discussing one of mankind's most difficult questions. Mad respect for both of them. Jordan's recent painful chapter in his life has set him on a path that we are all getting a chance to share in.

This is one of the most respectful dialogs I’ve ever seen between an avid Atheist and a person of faith, The hope it gives me literally brought tears to my eyes!

@krisl2838

2 жыл бұрын

Yea... Maybe he should bring up Jesus, and how he is the only way.. see how that goes.

@aliasmcdecoy8349

2 жыл бұрын

@@krisl2838 I’m not entirely sure what you meant... But this discussion really had nothing to do with Christianity, I was simply discussing the merits of Theism vs Atheism. Also Just out of curiosity what’s with so many people having anything but a picture of themselves for their profile picture? It seems anime characters are the most popular, And I love anime, But I never understood not wanting people to associate someone’s face with the opinion they’re stating...

@GoggledAgog

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliasmcdecoy8349are you new to the internet? Or are you accustomed to using social media platforms with personal pictures/video? Genuine questions. It's interesting to see someone question that. I've taken it for granted since the 90s. Why do you not present your real full name? Many of the answers to that will overlap with the answer to your other question

@Balthazar2242

2 жыл бұрын

I guess Peterson is kind of a person of faith isn't he.

@newtonbelieved

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, Jordan Peterson in first quarter of 2021 had Neptune square his Sun, Saturn square his Neptune, simultaneously having his second Saturn return, complaining about the recent pain he has undergone, and discussing God with someone who knows equally as little about the universe he lives in, and we all bow down to their overpowering Mercurial wisdom.

This is brilliant stuff...I hope I can remember it!!!

What a delight to listen to them

"Emerging Reciprocity at the Level of Rats." is going to be the title of my debut album.

@candlemaker9103

2 жыл бұрын

😁😁😁😁

@johnbuell8035

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck with the song titles.

@lowcostiqchasm3226

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan.

@walkerx1813

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnbuell8035 Just use litterally any other sentance JP has ever spoken

@antminehead

2 жыл бұрын

Please tell me it's going to be a 'concept' album!

That kind of thing doesn't exist here in Brazil: a calm, logic-based conversation between two opposing intellectuals. How I wish the world was more like this!

@BugRod64

Жыл бұрын

peterson logical, when?

@darklustgamingchannel4535

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes logic just likes to hear itself speak with no step closer to a conclusion or closure.

@AndersonSilveirasheenayz

Жыл бұрын

As he said, our moral can't be changed, in Brazil we have the illusion of arguing about political or religious things, but we're actually trying to change peoples inner morals, a guy worship a president not for his work, but because he identify with his prejudice, we don't listen things we don't agree. Thats why these two are awesome. They talk to learn about others perspective.

@petercollingwood522

Жыл бұрын

@@BugRod64 Get a hold of a dictionary and look up it's meaning. Then give understanding another shot.

@petercollingwood522

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't exist many other places as well unfortunately.

I'm forever disappointed with JP's efforts to explain his positions

I love Stephen Fry - he is so humble and has such a beautiful mind.

@tonedumbharry

3 ай бұрын

I agree, but my wife hates him for his arrogance and hypocrasy. Funny old world.

The thing with these two guys that they do right is:- 1) They actually listen to each other and wait for the other person to finish their point. 2) Each respects the other person and allows the other to have an opposing view. 3) Both are well-read and deep thinkers. They read literary works. Most people on Twitter get their world view from the newspaper. 4) They are open-minded, and even if both still hold the same position, they are open to furthering their understanding of the opposing viewpoint. Their aim in discussing and debating is to learn, not to "win". 5) It is not about "right" and "wrong" but viewpoint. It is a recognition that opinion is different from fact. 6) Neither is wed to their viewpoint, nor devolve to name,-calling or questioning of the other's morality or credentials. They break down the argument without breaking the person. 7) There is no hostility or oversensitivity. No questioning of someone's motives for thinking a particular way. 8) I could be wrong, but I sense that these two know that, though they know a lot (given their referencing of literary works and philosophy) that they still don't know everything, so are open to learning something new from their opponent, something they didn't know before. Opposite to those on social media who think they know it all, and aren't open to opposing viewpoints. Those who use Twitter could learn a lot of lessons from these two.

@philovermyer6166

Жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking Peterson is a deep thinker and well-read.

@shaneoshea6216

Жыл бұрын

@@philovermyer6166 & what makes you believe that he isn't?

@philovermyer6166

Жыл бұрын

@@shaneoshea6216 Because if you strip away all the verbosity of his comments they are really shallow or on the verge of r/stonerthoughts levels of nothing throughout all his works.

@philovermyer6166

Жыл бұрын

@peter hany Yeah, because the problem of evil/problem of suffering is really solved by "but no dude if you get upset at god for being an asshole, you're actually the asshole". Genius stuff from Peterson, he's such a smart guy. OMG and that baller stuff about cleaning your room and women being chaos dragons, just top tier smart stuff from a very emotionally stable and very smart man.

@samjones56

Жыл бұрын

well said wow

This kind of discussions are like art to me. I wish I was able to have conversations like that myself. Big fan of both of them

@eliasekstrom6660

2 жыл бұрын

wel no one knows how art is to you. maybe you think art is shit:O?

@mypointofview1111

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliasekstrom6660 That's not a helpful nor intelligent reply.

@mypointofview1111

2 жыл бұрын

You can have intelligent conversations you just need to find intelligent, like minded people to have them with.

@eliasekstrom6660

2 жыл бұрын

​@@mypointofview1111 racist

@korratheaustralianshepherd5804

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliasekstrom6660 Wow Elias, are you so beyond reproach to think someone else's life perspective is instantly false?? In what world was mypointofview's reply even remotely racist? Perhaps it's time to reconsider why replying to such a comment is even worthwhile of your time?

These are the debates I like most that my friends send me are 2 people ranting at each other and then one makes a funny comment and it becomes pandemonium but this is 2 men with opposite views who clearly respect each other having a long and thought out debate very good to see

Two of my favourite humans. These moments make me glad that we have the internet.

That was great to listen to. This is the way a good discussion goes. You consider and accept criticism of your opinion without rancour, and so the conversation can continue, and both are enriched by it. No-one has to win.

@jamiewoodhouse6238

2 жыл бұрын

It’s almost like they’re not trying ‘win’, and that they’re more concerned with the refinement of their own positions.

@Crimsonedge1

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite. It was simply the Socratic method at work. The idea being to draw out underlying suppositions and figure out what best fits the empirical data provided by both parties in the debate when all of that empirical data is looked at as a whole. In general, more often than not, one person is right and the other wrong. (occasionally, it turns out to be purely relative and down to a matter of perspective). If they're both clever, the participants both learn something from the exchange. One gets the step up provided by replacing incorrect knowledge with correct knowledge and the other gains conformation in the accuracy of their own knowledge. In that, it is, in a way, about winning. About being right. More importantly, figuring out what is right and what is wrong. It's why people debate to begin with. Its also why so many find it hard to debate without arguing and being salty.

@graveyardstudio3503

2 жыл бұрын

I think they both won. And we, listeners, got all the spoils as well.

@nativeam25

2 жыл бұрын

@@graveyardstudio3503 respect is what makes them 50/50 . This is how you communicate & don't lose your self in your ideology & what you identified you self to. God is ever loving & has no form. My opinion not fact.

@tarhunta2111

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit.You have to argue your case.Stephen Fry is just being diplomatic because he is a decent guy.I can't stand people like you who think all discussion must be diplomatic and friendly.No.This is what is wrong with the World.

I don't normally comment on KZread videos. I watch a LOT of Jordan Peterson videos, Jordan is normally so considerate of the question and topic he's focused on and he normally pauses and thinks about his response, but it's testament to Stephen Frye that Jordan is enjoying the converse with Stephen here and he's in free flow where he's not having to consider the 'what if he said she said' and just enjoying the conversation. These are two modern greats of our time and it's great they can talk like this!

@huejass3

2 жыл бұрын

Like Jordan Peterson had to worry about when debating that dimwit Matt Dilahunty

@muximus2771

2 жыл бұрын

Its very clear when JP is talking to a friend vs a hustler.

@notnilc2107

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know. I'm growing kinda tired of the "I don't know the answer to that" and the "That's certainly a good question to ask" and the "Well that's an entirely valid point of view" rhetoric. Maybe this is just me manifesting the "Gen Z have lowest attention spans so far" statistic, but it's getting kinda annoying. JBP is obviously aware of the vitriolic "4chan" side of the internet with how he talks about comedians and free speech, so he's gotta be aware of what he's doing. And it's not like I don't get that poignancy-aversion and self-suppression is a problem but I feel like the doing opposite isn't the solution. All it does is chase away the people who need to hear it the most. It's like he doesn't care if he only preaches to the choir. It's also giving off a LOT of subtle boomer vibes, kinda like when that eric weinstein guy said he didn't like michael malice cus he was a troll.

@michaelcritter7933

2 жыл бұрын

The difference, perhaps, is that this was set up to be a conversational session, as opposed to a Harris/Dilahunty etc which designed as an adversarial session.

@julianmartinez8954

2 жыл бұрын

Old benzo brain never has a good answer for religious questions

I've found that I do better when I don't think I messed up today, but when I think about what I was able to accomplish.

Big respect Mr Fry.

As a chronic pain patient, I’m so impressed that Peterson can be so animated and engaged on a difficult topic. Many of us shut down when we’re in pain

@1Nida

2 жыл бұрын

I've been living with chronic pain for 30 of my 56 years. At times I really wrestle with God wanting to understand why, want g to be delivered. But ultimately I come back to that no matter what, I trust Him and I' know I'm going to live with him forever. The struggle is always about trying to understand why instead of accepting what is.

@MegaSuperAmine

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you will get well sooner or later. Stay optimistic sir. There are people caring for you.

@riohenry6382

2 жыл бұрын

@@1Nida it took me twenty years to see the purpose in my situation. It only becomes bearable when you see the lesson you learned, the purpose in the suffering and how you can life with all that. God bless you. I wish us both good health some day, however unlikely that may be. We are still swaddled by the wings of the Spirit in our darkest hour

@justingary5322

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry about that I know it must suck but you're strong getting through the pain. Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry having a mutually beneficial conversation is DOPE 😎. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

@beemer2869

2 жыл бұрын

@@1Nida If we understand that God doesn't want you to be in pain and this world isn't how it should be, and that the fall, when evil entered the world in Genesis, then we understand that this isn't what God intended for us. Satan causes us to blame God, as He created us and is Almighty, but it is Satan tempting man in the Garden of Eden that caused this, freewill given to us as a gift from God, which went wrong. Our amazing God put this right for us, and gave man another chance by coming to earth as man as Jesus Christ our Saviour, whose life turned the world around, He left the biggest mark on this world than any other person who has walked this earth. His impact cannot be denied, even 2000 years later, His word lives on in many. The problem lies in the freewill that remains within us all, some still choose not to believe or want what He offers. The Lord doesn't want us to be like puppets on a string, we all have a choice don't we. Just remember that our time on this earth is short compared to eternity for those who follow Him, and 'He will wipe away every tear from their eyes'. How amazing is that. Hold on there. God bless you and bring you comfort.

Oh how I wish there were still things like this on television. I was lucky that when I was in my late teens and twenties there were many programmes like this to enjoy, to grow with and to prompt discussion afterwards with family, friends, flatmates. Sadly long dead. Thank goodness for You Tube and Podcasts.

@FlyingcupNsourcer

2 жыл бұрын

It's truly disheartening that the trends of programming for TV is utter drivel and divisive. As if the goal is to segregate instead of encouragement of cultural growth through discussion and debate.

@julieprior3126

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlyingcupNsourcer Exactly!

@swhite1702

2 жыл бұрын

Parkinson was always interesting. Now Graham Norton is about as good as it gets, unfortunately.

@julieprior3126

2 жыл бұрын

@@swhite1702 Yep! 😒

@justingary5322

2 жыл бұрын

AGREED WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Many people lack the ability to engage in social interactions period much less mutually beneficial conversations with those who will disagree with them. Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry having a mutually beneficial conversation is DOPE 😎. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

This is like a conversation between the smartest kid in school who likes to show off how smart he is…. And Stephen Fry, an intellectual.

@DailyCorvid

4 ай бұрын

I used to think that too, that was before he told those poor boys that they had no right to complain about the sexual abuse they suffered, and that he was definitely not biased against such victims. This was after he was nominated for an award but did not win. That is the measure of Mr Fry to me, spiteful and bitter - without responsibility but a fairly good actor when the money is good. Douglas Murray is an intellectual, Stephen Fry is just a snobby loudmouth to me. I was disgusted by his diatribe and the apology was even more sickening. Totally insincere, even sneering.

@Milkydrummer

4 ай бұрын

@@DailyCorvid- That doesn’t sound like the Stephen Fry I know… not seen where he said that… d’you have a link?

@DailyCorvid

4 ай бұрын

Moral coward! I posted three links and three times you have reported or removed them somehow. You asked and I answered, censorship is not what I would consider to be fair debate especially when you are so heavily biased against a man who is demonstratably BAD.@@Milkydrummer

@DailyCorvid

4 ай бұрын

LOL Google has about 700 articles when you search for Stephen Fry Criticism, he's done tonnes of dumb stuff. Way more than the 3 things I knew about! Why do people idolise this weird guy he's clearly a horrible little man who treats other people like dirt when it suits him to. fraudulent intellectual. He is a drunk imo.

@jamesvarty6513

3 ай бұрын

Fry is awesome, a properly rounded and well read philosopher. Peterson doesn't quite get it at all, full of word salad. I don't understand why people rate him so highly, his fundamental starting point is flawed.

When I listen to discussions like this, I get a bit depressed from the sense that I wasted my education chasing dreams of fame and artistic mastery instead of learning more about the human condition. That I feel inadequate is an understatement. Hearing these two thoughtful men toss about the greats of human thought just proves to me that I have not learned much of anything.

@anthonysalvage8582

Жыл бұрын

You've learnt that not all people are the same or do the same, and that if you wish you can choose a new path :)

@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272

Жыл бұрын

There is an author called Balzac who did both and paid a rather high price for it

@JDFuckinB

Жыл бұрын

Pick up a resource on the human condition. You’ve identified what’s a problem for you; makes for a good time to identify and work on a solution

@juliagoodfellow7539

11 ай бұрын

No worries. Both of them would say the same.

@Phil_KaneONite_Wood

9 ай бұрын

In Star Trek TNG, Lt Cmdr Data says something along the lines of "The beginning of wisdom is "I do not know"." So admitting your ignorance (which considering these two, I'm not surprised - I don't know much about Dostoyevski (sp?) either), is a sign of true wisdom. Don't beat yourself up. After all, it's entirely possible that you know stuff that they don't. (Actually, . . . Petersen maybe. I think Fry knows every single fact ever. Bloody Smartarse that he is! 😂😂)

The key is that they are letting each other finish their points without interrupting constantly, THAT is a sign of high intelligence

@cirenrose

Жыл бұрын

That's just manners.

The first thing I loved about this encounter was that Peterson was quickly disabused of his superiority through his reading as Fry confirmed he had read the same books and was not going to be dictated to on their meaning. The second thing I would note, was an issue that Fry once observed of the Catholic Church. That is Peterson was obligated to listen to Fry's point of view and accept that he could generate a moral view independently of any church or holy book. There are thousands of theists out there that flat out state that if you don't conform to "their" religion you have no morals. Finally, I thought Fry was very kind to Peterson with regards to the "Facing God" hypothetical. I would not have been. Peterson made the point that Fry's comment on demanding an explanation and scolding said god for the horrors of this world, which were totally unnecessary was a negative because it lead to anger. My comment would have been that it would have lead to the severance of the god from its creation because of the hate and unnecessary suffering that the god generated. Of course this is moot, being as there is no such god.

@craigmonty

3 ай бұрын

Spot on. I'm usually a fan of Peterson but he tried to bully his way through this exchange at the start. Stephen Fry is obviously not his usual audience, so this tactic fell flat pretty quick. I'm not sure what Peterson's beliefs are in relation to god but it seems like he is really trying to find a way to reconcile some form of belief he has but his logical mind is fighting him on it.

It is so tiring to be obliged to defend our negation of God. If you believe in God, the biblical christian judean muslim God by all means. But please let us struggle through our joy and pain without your demands of sin and hell and laws, enough to live and love and fight pain and suffering without having to battle and explain YOUR dichotomy and moral anguish. If you must seek your God may your God be with you. I only request my secular path be respected for what it is, without your moral demands.

Stephen Frys' takes on EVERYTHING should be recorded for future generations. An incredible mind.

@talqawash487

2 жыл бұрын

Incredible speaker. Not an incredible mind.

@yianni_0557

2 жыл бұрын

I think it has... possibly more than anything else had ever been recorded, he's a preeeetty famous guy 😂

@paulgreen2401

2 жыл бұрын

@@talqawash487 How so?

@deanodog3667

2 жыл бұрын

@@talqawash487 words transmit thoughts einstein!

@chrisgraham2904

2 жыл бұрын

Unlike Peterson, Fry is not a psychologist by trade, but hold his own. Fry is very much, if not a leading "Renaissance Man".

Fry is being stupendously kind and generous for P's apologetics.

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

And a man of deep intellect.

@loveoneanotherdonthate

Жыл бұрын

Thats what I love the Brits for...

@dragosapina5692

Жыл бұрын

Isn't gd?

@starsloyalist

Жыл бұрын

Both men bring me joy and challenging thought.

@dragosapina5692

Жыл бұрын

@@starsloyalist look at it again, though. In some instances SF is clearly indulging JP whose agenda seems to be to validate a Christian God and pander to the right. He quotes Dostoyevsky - conservative reactionary in many ways, himself - and engages in what appears to be considered thought, but he doesn't actually say anything of substance and doesn't provide any real evidence to support his argument - particularly in the narrow Christian sense he is endeavouring to promote. I too once thought, JP had something of value to say, but his initial popularity went to his head it seems and he actually sees himself as a philosopher or a major intellect. Hes neither, really. He a self help writer. Which, if it helps people, is a good thing. I get the sense that he is being tolerated by SF who appears to be considering JPs points out of decency rather than because he finds them challenging

I was brought up by a single mother in an extremely poor area of Edinburgh in the 1980s. My personal early introduction to literacy under my own desire was to read all the Tom Clancy books and all the John Grisham books inside one year by the time I was 15. I then read Crime and Punishment. This book had profound impact on me. It was the first book I read that could be classed as academic or at least philosophical. I felt compelled to read it again, I don’t know why, but by the time I was 21 I had read Crime and Punishment 4 times. I was as fascinated about every aspect of the book and the city it was set in. I now work for a Wall Street firm and studying an MBA part time.

Great conversation! People being polite in spite of disagreements is such a welcome sight. Thank you both!

@Kodakcompactdisc

2 жыл бұрын

It’s nice to see Peter in a conversation with someone on his level. Too many times we see him talking to morons and it gets tiresome.

'im not really resentful and angry about the fact that there's evil in the world, I'm sorrowful'. This right there translates exactly how i feel too.

@imaliazhar

2 жыл бұрын

You are sad God created so much evil in the world?

@jamescarla26

2 жыл бұрын

@@imaliazhar yep, I think that's what they are saying?

@imaliazhar

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamescarla26 I find it very difficult to not be angry knowing how easy it is for Him to remove all evil from the world.

@ElShmiablo

2 жыл бұрын

@@imaliazhar How can "he" do anything if they aren't real?

@imaliazhar

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElShmiablo The original comment suggests they are not angry at God (if he exists), they are just sad because of the evil. What I was trying to understand is how can they not be angry at Him given how easy it is for Him to cleanse the world of evil.

An example of civil discourse, brilliant!

@melindahall5062

5 ай бұрын

It’s uplifting. It CAN be done. Indoctrination is our true enemy.

A lovely discussion. It would have been clearer and more convincing if both had lost the references to all kinds of philosophers and authors in their discussion--please focus on the arguments themselves. Happy to see a civil and reflective discussion!

@Sigmund1924

3 ай бұрын

That is precisely what I was thinking. When a person like Jordan tries to make a case for something one must ultimately accept on faith, what else can he do but quote philosophers and authors.

Stephen Fry is so considered and genuinely a great human being.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

2 жыл бұрын

Did he plead that when he was convicted for fraud?

@kahyui2486

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 how can u plead being considered and a great human being? That's not how court works. U either plead guilty or not guilty. Maybe you have never been to court

Brilliant intelligent conversation, wish most folk spoke with the same amount of respect, understanding and willing to learn.

The difference between these two guys, I think, is that Peterson is clever and very well read but Fry is of a superior natural intellect as well as being extraordinarily well read. They’ve both had their demons but I feel that Fry has overcome them while Peterson is still grappling and possibly losing the fight…he seems desperately fragile emotionally.

Fry so capably expresses my view's with such eloquence, if only I could do the same to the people I know

I genuinely love listening to people who are much smarter than me discuss ideas. These two are amazing.

@philstaples8122

11 ай бұрын

They're not smarter than you, they have a combination of being well read, educated and being taught how to critique a point, genetically they may have done a little better on the intelligence scale too, you can learn that it just takes a lot of time and effort if you didn't come up trumps on the intelligence scale. Time most people don't have because they need to make money to live

@lavenderknot6715

10 ай бұрын

​@@philstaples8122 omg the trump derangement syndrome is literally everywhere.

@Rambles-vf5jr

10 ай бұрын

They both have their own ignorance's, like us all.

@Lizards_Lounge

10 ай бұрын

Just more well read, there's a difference. I been watching these guys many years and was at first confused how they get praised for being geniuses..truth is, I know they are no smarter than I am... I've debated many people over the years. But these guys have dug more into subjects and histories I haven't...and love to watch them hash it out...hear the opinions and logic, see what they can teach me. Let's say your a builder...It's safe to assume at BUILDING, you look like a genius to them.. No one KNOWS EVERYTHING. We all have our interests and subjects we know more than the majority about...and others where we need to shut up and listen. Don't underestimate yourself.

@Lizards_Lounge

10 ай бұрын

​@@lavenderknot6715 Trump is also a word, not just a name...look again.

Stephen Fry is such an intellect, I could listen to him all day. I loved the debate with him and Christopher Hitchens debating the Archbishop and Ann Widdecombe too. He's also a genuinely nice person and very humble.

@pop9095

2 жыл бұрын

It was in terms of debate a one sided affair, but instructive and entertaining.

@BecauseVikingsCan

2 жыл бұрын

He made a few podcasts, they're on Spotify. 10/10 would recommend

@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504

2 жыл бұрын

I think he's overrated, I wouldn't consider him an intellectual heavyweight he's just well read.

@Gamer-ec7gd

2 жыл бұрын

If he was an intellect he wouldn't be an atheist.

@mynames7664

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 who would you call an intellectual heavyweight then?

This is how intelligent humans convene. You could have polar opposite beliefs, but you don't have to see them as an affront to yourself. If you listen to what you may not want to hear you might learn something and any knowledge you gather in the process builds your wisdom, and I think wisdom is one of the most powerful things you can garner.

This is what an actual intellectual conversation between two men who don't necessarily agree with each other but understand that and respect it wholeheartedly looks like. Fantastic from both.

@koitorob

2 жыл бұрын

" don't necessarily agree with each other?" Disagree about what?

@paintspot1509

2 жыл бұрын

@@koitorob essential JP was trying to argue on behalf of religion. It didn't work very well because how do you argue that bone cancer is fine as long as we don't let ourselves get angry about it.

I found this conversation infinitely more interesting than i imagined i would before watching.

Stephen fry is a genius - he knows what is what and tells it how it is!!!

@Sigmund1924

3 ай бұрын

True. It’s rather comical to see an intelligent person like Jordan or Ben Shapiro suddenly become flustered when arguing faith. Life experience and facts are thrown out the window and they seem to mostly rely on quotes from great philosophers or authors.

The fact that they can sit and talk, not agree on everything, but continue to talk in a civilized way is truly something to behold.

This was a great conversation. I learned to look at things in different ways than I had before. These are both well read individuals with well rounded knowledge of the subject matter.

Blimey, how lucky are we to be able to sit in on such a conversation!? 🤯

@erikottema2620

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's healthy to put people on such a high pedestal.

@lukerichardson2404

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikottema2620 Don't be ridiculous, both these men are GODS and should be worshipped as such. WE ARE NOT WORTHY!

@lukasvandewiel860

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikottema2620 But just by talking they teach. They are wise and know how to share that wisdom. They are professors in philosophy. That does not mean they will not shit their pants if they do not go to the toilet in time.

@stanleyyoung7638

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, you're wrong. Neither are God's, but Fry is so much smarter.

@lukerichardson2404

2 жыл бұрын

@@stanleyyoung7638 Did the irony go over your head, or are you just playing along?

What an elegant intelligent and respectful debate We can all learn so much from this . I wish the politicians, left and right could take this to heart.