Two people with different views having a sensible conversation. How refreshing

@SsjHokage

7 жыл бұрын

Karengulu Until you come to the cesspool that is the comments section hahah

@stevegroark2034

7 жыл бұрын

That was the most friendly, informative, and warm debate that I've ever seen.

@Rariix22

7 жыл бұрын

It was a very odd conversation considering that it's 2017. It would've been full of PC triggered bullshit with everyone else.

@timthompson8297

7 жыл бұрын

William F Buckley Jr is turning over in his grave now that Trump is president.

@SergeantFunDay

7 жыл бұрын

Tim Thompson

"If you destroyed every holy book, and waited a thousand years, they wouldn't all come back and be exactly the same. If you destroyed every bit of science we have, and waited a thousand years, it would come back exactly the same." - That is one hell of an argument.

@AyoTJofficial

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, was brilliant that bit.

@leviathan318

7 жыл бұрын

Rakinjo2 It made me reach orgasm.

@Pradeep.Poonia

7 жыл бұрын

yes it was brilliant. but i was thinking would the religious people would get a counter logic to this also . and i think they will. they will say "yes right. thats why we try to save our holy books , because no simple man can write them on its own, only the messenger of god can write that "

@Rakinjo2

7 жыл бұрын

If you believe "The messenger of God" wrote the bible, you're probably Muslim and not Christian. :P In Christianity it's a recognized fact that the book is not holy on it's own, and that the first passages of the new testament were written at least half a century after the death of Jesus. Obviously a lot of modern Christians don't know any of this, because most modern Christians don't actually give enough of a shit about their supposed "Faith" to study it, yet atheists who do, and call it out on it's bullshit, are assholes. Because logic, I suppose. Pointless online credentials that no one's going to believe anyway: I study Religious Science. (As in, the science of how religions work, and not.. Creationism, or whatever).

@tyshawksjersey2780

7 жыл бұрын

yeah except for some holy books, that have scientific truths. I mean I don't know too much about the Quran but it contains the first written statement that the universe if forever expanding. I think that is recurring but started in the Quran.

Ricky is a very very clever man, he presents himself as an ordinary bloke (which he is), but he has a sharp intellect and wit to match. He doesn’t suffer fools and is very happy to debate. What a civilised debate. Well done gents!

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see an hour long debate between these two on religion. This was civil, humorous and respectful of the other person's opinions.

@matthewstanton9633

10 ай бұрын

Well he does have a UCL degree in philosophy

@MrHenhen5

9 ай бұрын

I think also because he got famous when he was like 39? Maybe even older. So he truly knows what it's like to be a normal guy

@dmvo1

9 ай бұрын

Also, he studied philosophy in college.

@upturnedblousecollar5811

9 ай бұрын

I'm an atheist but I do like Stephen's point that he has a strong desire to direct his gratitude towards something. I think that explains a lot about religion and why every civilisation and every country throughout history has had a religion to follow.

"You don't believe in 2,999 gods, and I don't believe in just one more". That's absolutely fantastic. I love that quote! I also love how Ricky quickly pointed out the pointless question of "why", and navigated the question towards "how", right from the get go. Fantastic.

@ross-carlson

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely - as is the point about if we lost all books in 1000 years all science books would be exactly the same yet all religious texts would be completely and totally different. Maybe similar stories (a chosen one, virgin birth, etc) since those stories exist in hundreds of different religions, almost all of which were before christianity.

@Chucklingsaneman

3 ай бұрын

The fact is he acts like he’s a bit daft but you won’t find many people more intelligent than he is. Class act of a bloke

@genevieve.annabelle3296

3 ай бұрын

​@@ross-carlson yup. If any religion was the truth from their all powerful deity, it would have existed since...well, before humanity. The Bible, or the belief in the Christian God, would have existed always. Like, if the Christian God is real, and there's no other gods or anything and people need God's word to get into their fantasy happy place, we'd have known since day 1. But we haven't. The Bible was created by the Roman empire shortly after Christianity became the state religion. And there's religions all throughout time, and all different and all made up bullshit. Also we have proof of the big bang and can measure that proof through the cosmic background radiation. So stephan colbert saying it can't be proven or were just talking someone's word for it (and equating acknowledging our current understanding of the universe with faith based brainwashing is just horrible intellectually. It's shallow and underhanded, but religion needs these tactics to continue the conversation)

@movie.doctors

3 ай бұрын

feel sorry for you

@rajer6370

3 ай бұрын

Americans can't even find their right father's. No wonder you struggle to find the right God.

“If you took all the holy books and other works of fiction” - slipped that one under the radar 😂

@HassanAhmed-rf9xr

3 жыл бұрын

haha didnt notice that one

@tahmid1847

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@bloodhoug82

3 жыл бұрын

well they are works of fiction

@bloodhoug82

3 жыл бұрын

@@SwayneIII what?

@markworman8536

3 жыл бұрын

@@SwayneIII Gah no stop I'm a Christian myself and I'm speaking from experience when I say arguing about religion online isn't gonna get anyone anywhere. It's just not worth it.

I love how Stephen happily acknowledges when Ricky Gervais makes a good point.

@reshearchisgood6966

4 жыл бұрын

True. But his arguments aren't good in the apologic Field. For instance: his argument about. There are millions of God's how do you know your God is the real one. Here's the thing, there are millions of scientific theories, how do we which one is the right one? Truth and evidencial basis. There is historical evidence for the resurrection of Christ, and there are many good cases made by Dr. Lincona, Gary habernas, even Athiest scholars such as gurd Ludemann attest that, the evidence points to the fact the disciples must have seen something, and he goes on to make the point that, regarding the evidence the disciples claimed that something was the risen Christ. Otherwise, the strong testimonial evidence for martyrdom and the rise of Christianity wouldn't have a good evidencial explination. All the best.

@jackiemoon1556

4 жыл бұрын

@@reshearchisgood6966 Well put.

@buzz1251

4 жыл бұрын

@@reshearchisgood6966 There are no historical records besides from some Greek historians who mentioned some Messiah or some shit who was killed and nothing happened after that, no Earthquake e.t.c. Second of all, scientific theories are all accepted if they transitioned from hypothesis to scientific theory. Nice try though. Noah's Ark 100% didn't exist, so didn't Adam and Eve otherwise we would have all kinds of mutants running here from incestous relationship.

@antoninatgerauteur9306

4 жыл бұрын

@@reshearchisgood6966 Nope : there are millions of theories in science, but they all point out to the same result, this is how we can know. If there are not pointing out to the same result, it means we don't know yet, or we are not studying the right thing, ergo it is just an hypotesis so far.

@reshearchisgood6966

4 жыл бұрын

@@buzz1251 hello my friend I hope you are doing well let's get started: Claim 1: "no historical records besides greek historian who mentioned a killed Messiah or some S**t" I love you bro, and you are more knowledgeable than me. But by the fact you say "or some S**t" indicates you might have not done research on the topic (or you might have I guess I will find out in your next reply) The evidence for the resurrection is a cumulative case, with the core documents being: 1. the letters of Paul if you add the witnesses in his letters (I have evidence for this if you want to talk about it) It adds up to 513 witnesses of the risen Jesus Christ. Next we have The four gospels: 2.Matthew 3.Mark 4.Luke 5.John Next Extra-biblical sources: 6.the gospel of Peter 7. The annuals of roman historian Tacitus 8. Joseph's testimonium flavinum. 9.Ignatius. 10.Irenaeus of Lyon. 11.Turtulian 12. Dionysius of Corinth 13. Eusebius: Now their is chruch tradition from Eusebius In Ecclestiacial History. he was simply passing along a tradition which has been the unanimous opinion of the church for two hundred years. Attested by scholars for reliability. And others. Your claim that no records besides some greek historians mentioning some Messiah my friend is false. Claim 2. Scientific theories are only accepted when transitioned from hypothesis to scientific theory. Again you are more knowledgeable than me. And I agree with this claim but it doesn't refute my argument For instance: in the last century the universe was believed by the consensus to be infinite, so it's fits your criteria, However is it correct? Given The BVG therom by Alexander Vilenkin it shows any expanding universe cannot be past eternal therefore shows a universe cannot exist on necessity of its own nature. Now the consensus of scholars do not believe in an eternal universe. That theory is one of many that have passed your transitional criteria and because of future evidence Been proven Wrong. Now I'm going to copy and past this section of this comment and comment it to the guy who commented after you because he literally said a similar thing. My point is that in the same sense we can prove or disprove certain religions my position is Christianity is true given the evidence and all the others are fake. I respect and love Ricky Gervais but he doesn't know what he is talking about. All the best.

Love the way Ricky isnt dismissive or rude towards his host because he obviously has beliefs that are dear to him, he only explains the way facts that lead him to his own thoughts & beliefs, he literally puts in to words what I feel but cannot explain, have to say that the host also isn’t aggressive on the topic, great snippet of conversation 👏

@jonacars26

Жыл бұрын

Think you a little confused hunzo, atheism is about not having beliefs. An atheist does not believe in God.

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

@@jonacars26 I think you're a little confused, Gerupoada. Atheists still have beliefs, non-religious ones.

@AM0908

Жыл бұрын

Atheists usually arent. I find its the religious people that a rude as soon as you challenge their made up beliefs. Christians and Catholics are the easiest to debate since every story in there book originated in another religion

@FranciscoHOS

Жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUKThey just don’t have religious beliefs. (coming from an atheist).

@lennonkelly-james2693

Жыл бұрын

​@@FranciscoHOS No shit. If someone is an atheist and has religious beliefs that's a contradiction.

Total respect for both of these guys for keeping it respectful and not getting angry or feeling like they are being attacked. I wish I could debate people like this

@Simon0

7 ай бұрын

I believe the earth is actually a giant pizza 🍕

@looktheotherway6675

7 ай бұрын

Here's your chance, @tonyblakk2813.

@mats8131

7 ай бұрын

​@@FranciscoParra-im9piWell said

@Hogstrictors

5 ай бұрын

Was is respectful that steven claimed some made up character from a old story would rape ricky? You dont understand respect.

@ZarakiKempachi

5 ай бұрын

​@Hogstrictors right.

"That's really good." Here's what you don't often hear from your opponent in a debate.

@CouldAskYouTheSame

3 жыл бұрын

It was his reaction to the audiance. They where going crazy in the background.

@jeremiahthomas7594

3 жыл бұрын

Touche. Good obs man

@glitterNdoom

3 жыл бұрын

@@CouldAskYouTheSame Still, not everyone reacts as gracefully.

@WilbertLek

3 жыл бұрын

Not sincerely anyway.

@maxxandubar503

3 жыл бұрын

Especially when it comes to religion

Now that is a way to have a civil conversation on a controversial topic. Thumbs up

@ronber

7 жыл бұрын

I like how Gervais responded. He did a lot better than Bill Maher who acts like everybody who is religious is stupid.

@TransparentLabyrinth

7 жыл бұрын

Joseph TotalFestTime!!! I can see why BIll Maher's attitude would turn people off. I'm not the greatest fan of his myself and I think it's for that reason. I actually like him best when he's just being pure logic without the posturing because it's then that his emotional, logical, and social intelligence shine through in a way that is just beautiful to see from someone who has a voice in society. I get the sense from seeing how different he is when appearing on other peoples' shows that his posturing, arrogant attitude is more of a "character" than anything. And in fairness, he is standing up to some people who are really staunch and arrogant in the opposite direction of beliefs. So maybe that's why he feels it's necessary to be that way about it. And I'd venture to say there is something of a double standard going on when it comes to atheists versus theists. Theists who are arrogantly confident in their beliefs (in my experience) get a lot less flak for it than atheists do. An atheist acts a little aggressive, pushy, or even just overly confident about being an atheist and they are accused of being arrogant, rude, etc. A believer does the same and we call them a preacher and give them a microphone. It doesn't help that thematically, atheism is usually rooted in an exercise in logic, whereas theist belief is usually rooted in faith (an emotional kind of belief). And it's really easy to sound and be arrogant when it's logic versus emotion. Many of us would probably end up sounding a little arrogant and patronizing if we said "it's not raining outside" and someone insisted that it is, despite the sensations showing that when you go outside, you don't get wet. And I think that's how it can end up feeling for many atheists, is like it's as obvious as whether it's raining outside; the evidence isn't there. But then we are supposed to be nice to the people who believe it's raining outside and tell them that they can think what they want, and we will be respectful of what they believe. And that can be really hard to do.

@earlcampbell8927

7 жыл бұрын

TransparentLabyrinth All that logic sounds impressive until you remember that neither the existence of matter nor the origin of matter can be explained logically. I've never heard any atheist explain how matter came to exist out of a void.

@TransparentLabyrinth

7 жыл бұрын

earl campbell Well to be fair, the rain analogy I gave may not translate exactly, as there are senses we can use that tell us without question whether it's raining or not (as analogies go, it's not the most accurate I've ever made). That being said, atheism has no special obligation to explain existence in any way, shape, or form, and that's a point that is often confused. Atheism is, at its most basic, the lack of belief in a god, or gods. Deism says there is a creator and they don't interfere. Theism says there is a creator and they intervene in some way. Deism and Theism are explanations for where the universe came from. Atheism is not... it's just disbelieving the claims about there being a divine creator. Agnosticism is (strictly speaking) the belief that it is fundamentally unknowable whether a god, or gods, exist or not. To further complicate things, agnosticism is also often used casually to describe a sort of "fence-sitting" position, where one isn't quite sure whether they believe in a god or not and can't be bothered to make a strong decision about it. The point of all of this is, if you encounter an atheist who has an explanation for how the universe came into existence, it is not a "teaching of atheism." It is an explanation that an atheist has that has nothing to do with atheism itself. Most atheists probably have mixed opinions about how the universe came into being and many probably don't have a strong opinion about it at all. The only thing atheists have in common that pertains to atheism itself is that they aren't buying the "god / divine creator" explanation. If you take a step back from it and you compare the phenomenon of atheism to, say, belief about whether the patriots won the most recent superbowl, you might think that the whole complex naming of different positions on the matter is rather absurd. But we've reached this point of complexity because so many people take it so seriously, this question of where we came from. It is perhaps the most burning question our species has.

@earlcampbell8927

7 жыл бұрын

TransparentLabyrinth Obviously, I respect your intellect & writing ability. Someone with your IQ knows what I'm getting at with my previous comment. You're also aware that some of us theists are not idiots. If God exists, but has no desire to be scientifically proven yet,... Peace and good will to you.

I've never seen Colbert struggle so much with an interview. He really looked like he was having a hard time not getting emotional. You can tell both of these guys were holding back about a topic that's extremely important to them. Gervais was more in his element I think.

@theharshtruthoutthere

2 ай бұрын

Sabbath is no longer for us to keep, otherwise we would ruin the 6th commandments, which says: DO NOT KILL! Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: it is the sabbath or the 6th commandment. Cant have both. Souls, know and understand the bible as we all should: 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

@EvoraGT430

Ай бұрын

@@theharshtruthoutthere Also: Earth is 6000-10000 years old.....according to the same book.

@raccuia1

4 күн бұрын

@@theharshtruthoutthere one slips through the cracks every time.

Proof that you can disagree with someone and remain civil. I am so sick of people attacking others verbally, physically, and financially because they choose to have a different belief or opinion.

@RyoSaeba0077

3 ай бұрын

People usually go into attack mode when they don’t have a rebuttal.

@vika0194

3 ай бұрын

Because you are reading KZread comments. Not actually listening to real one-one conversations.

Somehow I can't picture Fallon having a conversation like this with one of his guests...

@youssefrachad8201

7 жыл бұрын

Lorenzo Reyes lol

@socrappyicoulddie

7 жыл бұрын

Hell, the last 7 words of your sentence were redundant.

@MrSkeezymak

7 жыл бұрын

They'd be busy smashing eggs on their heads.

@chaosinorderrr

7 жыл бұрын

He'd randomly start clapping and burst into laughter

@Spumtum

7 жыл бұрын

Ricky: "God" Fallon: hahahaha

Binge watching all the Ricky Gervais clips after the Golden Globes

@aceinurhole

4 жыл бұрын

yup

@washingbasket9702

4 жыл бұрын

@Liam O’Neil get ready for several weeks of hilarity and enlightenment 👌

@thegreathutt

4 жыл бұрын

Bro you‘ve been missing out if you haven‘t watched him by now lmao enjoy it you‘re in for some treats!

@badboijl

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@NJBoden

4 жыл бұрын

@@thegreathutt Dude honestly I feel like I've been straight up deprived until now

Ricky's so damned cool. Love the way he explains things.

@sfender2182

11 ай бұрын

I think it’s so cool that all people have a chance to have eternal perfect love and beauty that far, far, exceeds anything that we are able to experience here during our earthly life!! That is heaven; and it goes on forever.

@TonyEnglandUK

4 ай бұрын

OK Atheists - explain Ricky's possessed cup at 3:53. You unbelievers never have any answers.

@avonmaster6628

3 ай бұрын

@@sfender2182 i think it's not so cool that the people claim there's a heaven and have no concrete evidence for it yet expect you to change your world view and morals for it

@sfender2182

3 ай бұрын

@avonmaster6628 Actually there is a lot of evidence for the existence of heaven. Study Near Death Experiences (NDE). Many have told about these heavenly (and sometimes hellish) experiences. There was also a new movie (towards the end of 2023) about NDE’s titled Near Death; perhaps check it out. A world view based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and his Catholic Church is uplifting in many ways. As Jesus taught; love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and others as yourself (others.. as in everyone).

I have to say he explains himself well and speaks calmly and respectfully. 👍🏻

I love how Stephen actually appreciated and admired Ricky’s responses rather than try to cut him off with an argument.

@angusmcculloch6653

2 жыл бұрын

Why would you admire a logical fallacy though? Ricky's last point is a textbook case of begging the question.

@Bruce-vq7ni

2 жыл бұрын

@@angusmcculloch6653 And from an Atheist congrats on having the most Scottish sounding name ever 😎

@angusmcculloch6653

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bruce-vq7ni Hahaha. Thank you!

@jiles7726

2 жыл бұрын

@@angusmcculloch6653 nice one! I missed that... even though science is incredible and you can see how the same formulas could pop up again if we erased them, you have to assume the conclusion to make the claim that a Holy book wouldn't resurface.

@upturnedblousecollar5811

2 жыл бұрын

@@angusmcculloch6653 It really speaks for itself. Count the number of gods there have been throughout history and how many religions were based on that god. It numbers three thousand at the very least. Since "god" is supposedly the ultimate entity that means - also at the very least - two thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine of those gods were simply human inventions. If you destroyed their holy books, Ricky is totally correct in saying those books wouldn't return just as they were. That also means - at the very most - only one god and one holy book WOULD come back just as it was, which is as unlikely as it is unconvincing.

I may not agree with Stephens's point of view but i respect the fact he is willing to have a conversation on TV.

@Candyroxnrulz

7 жыл бұрын

Gada101 Exactly how I felt. Although I don't agree with Stephen, this did not lower my respect for him

@DrDoogoode

7 жыл бұрын

+

@NuorvaJ

7 жыл бұрын

Me three! Especially the question "how can something come out of nothing" invites that kind of speculation and debate which is fun, not destructive. To get there within a 5 minute time slot is pretty bold.

@The_Vitruvian

7 жыл бұрын

Gervais makes some good points to be sure. Take his example about holy books vs scientific facts. But in my mind, the two aren't competitive at all. They are on two different planes. Take a thesis about microbiology vs beethoven's 5th symphony. Both describe some type of order: one about order of biological science, one about arrangement of tones from various instruments. I would be willing to say that BOTH are works of genius. And both DEFINITELY exist in a real way. But if you tried to determine the existence of Beethoven's 5th by the standards of microbiology, you might be forced to conclude the symphony doesn't exist. Same goes the other way around. They exist FAR OUTSIDE the realms of one another. You couldn't judge microbiology based on principles of music, and vice versa. The same goes for God. He is SO FAR OUTSIDE the realms of music, of microbiology, etc, that to expect to find perfect conclusive evidence of him in one of those fields is very strange to me. Instead, He (God) leaves clues in those fields. Which, if I'm honest, makes getting to know Him WAY more interesting and FUN!!!

@MindlessTube

7 жыл бұрын

Its called evolution, the universe has been around for billions of years. We so happen to be on a planet that is the perfect distance between a star for life to form and evolve. And sure the ink dots on a paper showing notes can exist, but unless people who understand music can translate it and play it, its just a piece of paper with scribbled ink. Lets take nature for example if you can make a formula translating certain trees that look certain ways into notes, you now have trees creating music. How a mind can take information and translate it what ever way you want is called imagination, does not have to exist but in the mind it can.

The more videos I see if Ricky, the more I appreciate him.

@apex_prey

Жыл бұрын

Of*

@SnowWhite-hr4ho

Жыл бұрын

No I don't think so

I love how he lets Ricky talk without interruption. A superb host.

@marmalontoast

Жыл бұрын

Is that sarcasm? It annoyed me how much he wouldn't let him speak

@abnoyabnoy

11 ай бұрын

@@marmalontoast jimmy fallon absolutely trumps every single host with interruption hahahahahah

@upturnedblousecollar5811

10 ай бұрын

@@marmalontoast Who wouldn't let who speak? It seemed pretty well handled by both sides to me.

@ryanwalker3662

10 ай бұрын

@@marmalontoast I agree 100%, the people who can’t see that either just side with Colbert because his beliefs are their own, or they are the people who constantly interrupt and talk over people lol

@AlanRoberts0427

10 ай бұрын

​@@marmalontoastColbert interrupted one time...which was bad enough, but he didn't do it again.

I hope all debates are like this. Not too aggresive, not too passive either.

@skyflysky1919

4 жыл бұрын

@Monkey D. Luffy the formal definitions of debate and dialogue would disagree with you, but if you mean from the standpoint of which one is usually less hostile, then sure, a dialogue would likely be preferable.

@bluepearl_22

4 жыл бұрын

I found it pretty astounding that Stephen questioned the validity of science and used that as an argument when all the people on the left are doing is glorify science (as long as it serves their agendas). It shows that he doesn't shy away from strawmanning when his defences have no effect on his debate partner.

@chrissonofpear1384

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I will not 'glorify' Numbers 31:17, as it currently is.

@skyflysky1919

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrissonofpear1384 nice try, but you can take anything out of context and it will sound bad. Read the whole Numbers chapter 31 and it is clearly stated they are at war. Worse things have happened when at war throughout history. Don't be that guy who's like the media these days taking things out of context and putting it out there 🙂

@skyflysky1919

4 жыл бұрын

@MAD GRUMPYMAN what I believe in or not is irrelevant. Debate by definition is a formal discussion on a particular topic where arguments are put forward, no matter how rational or irrational it is to a particular person outside of that debate. I'm sure you've seen or have friends debate about which movies/games or whatever fictional medium is better and why. No one's going to question whether you're rational/irrational about debating those kinds of topic. It just so happens you're someone who finds one side of this debate irrational, and that's fine.

"You don't believe in 2999 other gods, and I just don't believe in one more." That is gold.

@Robert-hr6sh

2 жыл бұрын

John 11:25-26

@scholaroftheworldalternatehist

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is a copout. The difference between religious vs. non-religious is much greater than between religions. And many religions acknowledge other believers.

@gogetadarker

2 жыл бұрын

@@scholaroftheworldalternatehist while many don't either and different religions literally show in many ways how faith can be created and interpreted in so many ways that you can never say your religion is the true way of viewing the world or life. Because then you would be debating someone elses faith in something different from yours. If you believe in one god, then why would you believe in other gods that defy the existence of your god?

@lloyd8550

2 жыл бұрын

No it isn't at all. Science is his God, which is made up of multiple types. He makes claims that science would come back the same, yet he knows he has no proof and is making a ridiculously false claim. Science has changed throughout the years and it will continue to do so

@scholaroftheworldalternatehist

2 жыл бұрын

@@lloyd8550 I agree, the purely rational person would be agnostic, since science can neither prove nor disprove God. By professing the absolute absence of God, he has just as much faith as a religious person believes there is God.

I like how you two debated this very big and important question had completely different thoughts on it and didn't get mad at each other. I wish there was more of that in the world.

@Luke_275

6 ай бұрын

It’s not important. It has no place.

I used the 1000 years story with my religious relatives...and even they were slightly convinced 😁

@NithinAbraham29

Жыл бұрын

Good for you i've had thousands of debates with relatives but at the end when they start to lose they just say god is coming for you and threaten me

@munchkin8019

Жыл бұрын

shit I'm also trying it on my friends

@Nameless-pt6oj

Жыл бұрын

I’ll point out what’s wrong with it: Ricky’s argument presupposes that God doesn’t exist and therefore wouldn’t preserve His Word. Every scientific book would return in years to come, and whereas the Bible would always be around because the evidence shows that the Christian God exists and wouldn’t allow His Word to crumble to dust.

@wittyroark

Жыл бұрын

@@Nameless-pt6oj u didn't understand the premise. Will clarify it for you. "What if u destroy every text & scripture in existence of science & religion ? And then start writing both after 1000 years" Obviously no one would freaking remember the stories of various Gods. But people will understand gravity, magnetism, chemistry etc...& will eventually write the same laws & formulae what u see now.

@Nameless-pt6oj

Жыл бұрын

I did understand the premise. Ricky is presupposing that God wouldn’t preserve His Word for us. The argument itself is unrealistic and shallow. God wouldn’t allow for every Bible to be destroyed, that wouldn’t be possible, and He has preserved His Word remarkably well for us. He said He’d return in the future and I believe He’d return well before that.

Wow, I'd never heard the one about the books being burned. That is a great analogy.

@MamaSymphonia

3 жыл бұрын

It occurred to me in middle school that an alien landing on a version of Earth that is identical to ours but without bibles, would never in a million years come up with the Judeo-Christian creation myth as the reason for Earth's existence. I wrote a paper on it, made my teacher real mad.

@nottyseel949

3 жыл бұрын

@@MamaSymphonia Humans were the same as aliens when they first arrived on Earth. So humans are historical proof that in a short period of time they would come up with that myth over and over again. Nearly every culture in history believed in gods that were responsible for the natural world. If they were unique throughout all time it would imply that there was something specific about their time period that led them to those conclusions. Since as pointed out in the video, the science is likely not to have changed, it would suggest that something else was giving the people of that time period the impression that there were powerful people more similar to them than the animals that they could not see.

@MamaSymphonia

3 жыл бұрын

​@@nottyseel949 There is no evidence for any of the gods that have been invented by man though. Their invention is prevalent because we're all human and have a tendency to imagine things being done by an agent. And it's really easy to invent a powerful agent that is capable of doing things like throwing lighting bolts (Zeus, for instance). But an alien landing on this planet would never reconstruct the specific legend of Zeus from the available natural evidence. They would never come to the conclusion that a God sent his only son to die for human sins to save them from an eternal torment that the God created in the first place. Outside human culture and the religious texts they produced, there is no physical evidence of any of these supernatural tales, whether Zeus or Jesus. And therefore no good reason to believe they happened.

@nottyseel949

3 жыл бұрын

@@MamaSymphonia Sure, fam. I don't really care about any of that it does not serve any purpose to deny or support what you or anyone thinks, I just think that the point you are making cancels out the point you are making. You imply that some creatures that you do not know exist (aliens of a sort for which you have no reference) would never do in a million years what history proves happened in the only similar creatures that we know of (assuming you meant aliens that would have similar brain function to humans not as in animals). You even said that humans have a tendency to attribute events to an agent. If it is a tendency then it is likely to happen again if you run the experiment again. I'm not talking about or interested in Judeo-Christian myths, but specifically the point you are making.

@nottyseel949

3 жыл бұрын

@Scott Scotty Sounds like the assumptions people made up when they made up the various gods they believed in. Whatever makes you assume aliens would be any sort of intelligent in the way we think of intelligence is probably the same reason people assumed there were other creatures like humans in other realms/dimensions. Could be true as any other complete guess, but the likelihood is, that like the other billions (trillions?) of species of life that we KNOW to exist, aliens are likely not to care about any of these questions or ideas. They are evidently more likely to just eat, sleep, mate, and pay no attention to life or space outside of their immediate environment like every other form of life we know. Humanoid brain patterns could be popular, but we have no evidence to suggest we should assume humans are not a complete anomaly even thinking about the universe and existence in the first place.

As an atheist I appreciate Stephens will to discuss this topic on tv, most tv host are afraid to. Edit: some of you guys have missed my point, nobody is 100% sure if there is a god, just be compassionate to each other.

@jiggleyeff

4 жыл бұрын

Stephens sounds like he has to win this argument though he's just being a nice host

@editname8959

4 жыл бұрын

What do you believe was before the "Big Bang"

@redriot8756

4 жыл бұрын

@@editname8959 I don't know, nobody does, probably colossal amounts of energy and matter colliding. But I'm no cosmologist.

@PhysicsGuy1000

4 жыл бұрын

edit name *There is no “before” the Big Bang. That is a meaningless question like what it North of the North Pole.*

@ThereIsNoLord

4 жыл бұрын

@@PhysicsGuy1000 Time started with the big bang. I like Stephen Colbert, but when he talks about this, it just really sounds dumb. Was Stephen watching "Doctor" Frank Turek, and thought to himself "Wow, this fellow really has some new ideas." In other words, Stephen sounds very, very dumb, like Frank Turek.

I have such respect for both these people. This is how debate could be. It's far too polarising and divisive, lacking nuance and respect. Well done to you both and thank you for a pleasant and fun segment.

Honestly, one of the reasons I like Steven: he's not afraid to challenge his guests in actual discussion. And to talk about atheism on a main channel network is so big, introducing new ideas to people who may not have thought about them before.

@rorylawrence

7 жыл бұрын

It's hard to believe the notion that there might NOT actually be a man in the sky controlling everything, and brings people he likes up there with him after they die is something that most people may not have thought about before.

@mr.robokat7993

7 жыл бұрын

Dude, I do not know about you roryl, but I had a talk with the big guy in the sky yesterday when I prayed. Yea, he was like "Hey man, what the heck are you all doing down their? I sent Donald Trump to be a clown, not your President! Don't make me send my only begotten son back down there!"

@rorylawrence

7 жыл бұрын

But I thought god decided to make people vote for him? Because its his plan right?

@reinforcedpenisstem

7 жыл бұрын

The producers allow this sort of thing, not the host.

@Pbdave1092

7 жыл бұрын

And people say Stephen is a one trick pony....

I appreciate that when Ricky gave a reasonable response to Stephen's rhetoric, Stephen actually listened and accepted the responses. Doesn't happen very often in religious debates.

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

Two people exchanging conflicting beliefs and even applauding the other's presentation of their belief.

@Omegatonboom

3 жыл бұрын

That's because he was dead f****** right and there's no counter to that point LOL

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@Omegatonboom I'm an agnostic myself but Stephen's _"And then......... Satan would be raping you"_ was just superb.

@Omegatonboom

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK I thought it was lame. 🤷‍♂️😂 Like he couldn't come up with something better to say. Oh well

@michellerobin5461

3 жыл бұрын

@@Omegatonboom same.

Ricky Gervais yet again spot on. 👌

Gervais' argumentation is awesome

@orlandocarrillo7132

Жыл бұрын

Not really. He's paraphrasing Richard Dawkins. Its not like he came up with the example of 2999 vs 3000 gods in that moment.

@antoinelores7425

Жыл бұрын

@@orlandocarrillo7132 true. I guess the timing of it made it cool :-)

@orlandocarrillo7132

Жыл бұрын

@@TheHolym4n you didn't understand. I'm not saying its wrong. I'm just saying that the original comment is wrong.

*"You don't believe in 2999 Gods, I don't believe in 1 more"* I had to go back and listen again cause man that was really good argument. Respect Ricky!

@IfUSubscribeUHaveVeryBigPeePee

5 жыл бұрын

Idk about u but I'm taking notes from this video 😂

@jamesemerson4102

5 жыл бұрын

It is no argument whatsoever. It is a very poor attempt to try and show that the believer is also an atheist just like him, but it's false. An Atheist doesn't believe in ANY Gods. He believes in one. So he is not an atheist in any way shape or form. You can't be an atheist towards 300 Gods and not be an Atheist in regards to one God... because then you are not an atheist.

@ectonoc

5 жыл бұрын

@@jamesemerson4102 At no point did Ricky claim that Colbert was an atheist...

@rooted6792

5 жыл бұрын

A monotheist can easily say: oh yeah, some of those pagan Gods were probably real. They were either angels sent by God to spiritually prepare humans for the full revelation, or demons sent to confuse and distort

@annalogan6241

5 жыл бұрын

@@jamesemerson4102 His may not be an argument, but religions completely denying and contradicting each other, ridiculing one another's existence is one hell of an argument to make..

You know, that’s how every conversation between an atheist and a believer should be. Coherent, respectful, amicable and in gratitude for the interaction. Well done, gentlemen.

@sfender2182

3 жыл бұрын

Hector De Jesus .....science and religion actually work in harmony, they are not pitted against each other.

@WilbertLek

3 жыл бұрын

@@sfender2182 Please explain to me how ancient ideology based on a complete and utter misunderstanding of the universe caused by sheer ignorance and perpetuated by willfully and actively denying new information "works in harmony" with a methodology based on an ever growing understanding of the universe by constantly updating its information about it through constant investigation. Please tell me why you are so incredibly behind the times that you even come up with this BS argument.

@WilbertLek

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Hector.... we all understand you drug addicts want to be treated like normal people.... You could also just take a broom and get rid of all these egg shells....

@Bald_and_Brown

3 жыл бұрын

@@WilbertLek Good work, Wilbert.

@TonyEnglandUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddsleezer3580 Your opinions are every bit as bad as the religious people you're condemning. Trying to "convert" them until they believe the same things you do is as bad as religious people doing the reverse.

Good on Stephen for the way he handled this conversation which is presumably difficult for him given his own beliefs.

@Broc_Obama

4 ай бұрын

It's harder being a Christian than an Atheist in an argument for sure.

@pidayrocks2235

2 ай бұрын

@@Broc_Obama It sure is haha. Having logic and reason on your side tends to help ease things - makes counter-apologetics quite easy.

Wow his book analogy was amazing

Just when I thought Ricky was going to be beat down, he says something like that at the end. Great job.

@learningtolivewithhumans1859

3 жыл бұрын

yeh he was referring to the holly wood pedo stuff thats what he meant when he said thats why im a good boy ;) kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYZqt8ePoNfggso.html&ab_channel=FireFilms

@ye_ole_nade5299

3 жыл бұрын

12 12 no

@jonoghue

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertdavis4313 why the hell would mary appear as a static image in lava

@SNORKYMEDIA

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertdavis4313 wow your threshold for evidence is ridiculously low - I have a bridge I want to sell you..

@Helbourne

3 жыл бұрын

I 100% believe in Rickys theory with science existing again after 1000years and no literature to back it up. However, I think it’s sort of ignorant to not think religion wouldn’t rebound again in the same amount of time. it’s made up, someone will make it up again. I mean, just take Scientology for example, it was brought to life within the last 100 years and has a devoted following.

Actually impressed and pleased that Stephen acknowledged a point of Ricky’s that he thought was salient. Giving credit where it’s due is a lost art!

@callactm14

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh. Both hate god. Period.

@dawsonsisk3469

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a really good point I never thought about! If god did write the Bible and then disappeared for what 2000+ years now, the belief system would only restart if he did exist and rewrite it again. We as a society don’t need a belief system to create a kingdom/country anymore. So it would be an interesting turn of events if someone created a new belief system just to do it.

@JustHuman87

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawsonsisk3469 The Bible itself says the word of God is written on the hearts of mankind (conscience). The attributes of the Holy Spirit (AKA God) (1 of 3 God Heads that Stephen believes in) are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self control. If you destroyed the Bible stories would be lost. However, much of it would survive in the natural conscience of all humanity. Also the theoretical game is kind of a waste of time in my opinion. Ricky says IF all the books were destroyed. Well if Christ is truly the son of God and God is all powerful. Then if He is truly God, He would not allow his instruction manual and stories of His love for us be destroyed. Hitler tried to destroy books such as these. Probably could have done it but he failed. So the IF game is silly. It hasn't happened. So what's the point in saying IF? That's the same logic he accuses people of spiritual belief to use. Love and respect for both. Just sharing thoughts

@caleb8659

2 жыл бұрын

​@@JustHuman87 God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?

@callactm14

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawsonsisk3469 thats a toddler's logic

Probably the best thing I seen on KZread or anywhere else really. Steven and Ricky are exemplary.

Absolutely enjoyed this debate and how respectful both of them were. Why can’t every discussion be civil like this??

@JamesMc2051

4 ай бұрын

They've got a mutual interest on getting along and being respectful for the show and because they'll occasionally be in the same circles. In most cases on this subject -- especially online, so not face to face -- it doesn't go this way.

People forget that Ricky Gervais apart from being a comic, he also has a degree in philosophy.

@christservant7051

3 жыл бұрын

And that’s his problem, God is real and he has no idea because he’s never given his life to Christ

@gordongecko5950

3 жыл бұрын

@@christservant7051 is that why this atheist has had far more success in life than you, a religious person, will ever have? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

@christservant7051

3 жыл бұрын

@@gordongecko5950 success of what? I’ll have every lasting life. He doesn’t know God and God is not in his heart. He doesn’t have a clue what he believes in that is what an atheist is lol. I follow Gods rule I’m not religious. Religion is a man made thing. If your going to start typing words make sure you come with facts my friend.

@christservant7051

3 жыл бұрын

@@gordongecko5950 You and him have clearly never read the bible so how can you even have an opinion on something your not educated in. All the fame and success will be burned in hell if he doesn’t repent and give his life to God. He may someday have a change of heart and I pray you and him do.

@lucasbrown2656

3 жыл бұрын

Cotton Mouth if you believe in god and live under his rules you’re religious you nut

They talked about religion calmly and from the heart without getting in a hissy fit

@krillinsmoustache6261

3 жыл бұрын

na ricky is just right lol

@stephenochosiete9869

3 жыл бұрын

krillins moustache he’s right and there is no need to get mad. The book example is perfect.

@crizzle1004

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree mate, one of them talked calmly and with logic and reasoning the other had nothing to say to back up their claims and resorted to joking their way out of the debate.

@alias7343

3 жыл бұрын

Burn in hell sinner! 😇

@mevery11

3 жыл бұрын

That's just called being an adult. Sounds crazy i know but everyone should try it at some point in their life.

And this is what we call a good conversation.

Ricky is brilliant. Puts the case for Atheism very clearly. Beautiful gentle man.

@TonyEnglandUK

4 ай бұрын

@@user-zv5nu1nf2g Those are just words, though. Such words worked for centuries but it's 2023, you have to prove what you are claiming with real evidence. Ricky will be held accountable for his beliefs, will he? What evidence do you have that proves your claim to be true?

@upturnedblousecollar5811

4 ай бұрын

@@user-zv5nu1nf2g Watch how easy it is to do what you're doing. _"Ricky is wrong though and he will be held accountable for his beliefs and his decision to lead others away from Allah during the time of judgment. Unless he accepts Allah."_ It's too easy to do this routine for any religion.

@TonyEnglandUK

4 ай бұрын

@@user-zv5nu1nf2g With respect, you're doing it again. You're typing things without attaching any evidence to them. They're just words unless you attach some evidence to prove your words are true. _"And God will honor that"_ you claim. Without typing 500 words of avoidance, prove with evidence that god will do that. And watch how many words you type to dodge providing that evidence.

@TonyEnglandUK

4 ай бұрын

@@user-zv5nu1nf2g You know and I know that the only evidence you have for your claims is _"You read it in an old book."_ - the Bible. And that's a book that Einstein called _"Primitive legend."_ I've been religious. I've been where you are. Telling people _"Believe in Jesus and you will be saved."_ Until someone asked me to produce the same evidence I'm asking you for.

@TonyEnglandUK

4 ай бұрын

@@user-zv5nu1nf2g ok here's the question. _"Apart from reading it in a book, what evidence do you have that dismisses all other gods and proves your god created the universe?"_

"If we take any holy book or any other fiction" I love how he snuck that one in there 😅

@run4walk

4 жыл бұрын

@@nidashafa9168 That's because it never got destroyed..?

@taetae978

4 жыл бұрын

nida shafa whats your point?

@run4walk

4 жыл бұрын

@@nidashafa9168 So why did you bring it up if its not relevant to the video?

@run4walk

4 жыл бұрын

@@nidashafa9168 Holy texts support some pretty morally abhorrent things, so I wouldn't like them to be used as guidance.

@taetae978

4 жыл бұрын

nida shafa oh so you think killing, stealing & raping people is a good moral guidance for people? and I’d like to inform you that there is no proof that the Quran didn’t change throughout these years.

You know Ricky is a great debater when he, not only answers the question logically, but also questions the validity of the question before answering.

@ACharmedEarthling

2 жыл бұрын

I would say that makes him an adequate debater. Your standards are a bit low IMO.

@junjalapeno7773

2 жыл бұрын

@@ACharmedEarthling sure, what’s your standards?

@ricco48219

2 жыл бұрын

He is a terrible debater. He is a comedian

@ACharmedEarthling

2 жыл бұрын

@@ricco48219 He's got a degree in philosophy from University College London. I haven't seen him in a formal debate situation, but I doubt he would be terrible.

@ricco48219

2 жыл бұрын

@@ACharmedEarthling well I wont say terrible then. However he doesn’t have formal practice. I don’t expect an fresh out of highschool player to dominate freshman year in college either tho so. Lol

This is so refreshing and we need so much more of this type of discourse. Atheists, agnostics, secular Humanists, and others who don't believe in a God or gods remain largely misunderstood and discriminated against in the U.S. and throughout the world. Thank you for producing and sharing this great discussion.

@upturnedblousecollar5811

9 ай бұрын

I'm nearly 70. When I was young, here in England, practically everybody went to the Church of England every Sunday. It was an accepted part of life. In 2023, over ninety-nine percent of the population *_don't_* go. I don't know what the figures are for America but I think the world is finally walking around all religions.

@atheistreligionandislameis4455

7 ай бұрын

@@upturnedblousecollar5811 According to atheist religion, What is wrong about genocide? Should we ask mao?

@aurademon

6 ай бұрын

​@@atheistreligionandislameis4455atheism is not a religion, nor is it a moral code. It is a simple disbelief in the existence of a God.

@Kbrady86

5 ай бұрын

In the UK, atheism is practically the norm now.

@atheistreligionandislameis4455

5 ай бұрын

@@aurademon Atheist religion claims that men can give birth. Islame claims that women have semen production near their neck. What is the _difference_ between atheist religion and islame?

*I love the people saying colbert had a sensible conversation with ricky! I didn’t realise saying “the devil will be raping you when you die!” was sensible!*

“If we take any holy book, and any other fiction...” Clever Ricky

@pixeled9683

3 жыл бұрын

clever but not really respectable

@pixeled9683

3 жыл бұрын

how come you happen to be reading my messages, processing it, and then trying to refute me saying there's a purpose by using an organ in your body that's extremely complicated that you use to move your fingers to press these buttons, and your dna more complicated than any man made computer in existence, no matter how far in the future? what made it so you'd be like that and then come here and have emotions that you use to tell me that I'm an idiot with your anger that you for some reason have at something like this?

@pixeled9683

3 жыл бұрын

you guys purposely go to whatever video mentions religion and argue because that's all you do and you never question why or how you're able to this is not politics but it is treated like it I'd rather spend my time using my life instead of doing this

@parkermorgan9322

3 жыл бұрын

@@pixeled9683 isn’t that what ur doing?

@theonethathungers5552

3 жыл бұрын

@@pixeled9683 The host spent the entire time talking over him, let’s not get into respect here

Ricky Gervais spoke extremely well here.

@onlinedudeman

7 жыл бұрын

ha

@placerdemaio

7 жыл бұрын

onlinedudeman Relax dude we are not attacking the good part, we are attacking the bad part of religion that we REALLY NEED OPPOSITION, look europe the atheist are the majority do a google on it and other thing, the highest quality of life it is on europe.

@onlinedudeman

7 жыл бұрын

Alternative Facts Survivor quality = convenience.. "home is where the heart is! google that if you want dude :)

@placerdemaio

7 жыл бұрын

onlinedudeman Whaaat ?, im trying to say that, with more religion in one society the less is the quality of life, it is just facts, im trying to say that there is no such thing as atheist there is just supernatural believers, it is like afairyest, there is NOT such think, so relax dont need to be upset with us.

@onlinedudeman

7 жыл бұрын

Alternative Facts Survivor you fucked up there m8. religion can be described or defined if you will as "a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion." don't get your nickers in a twist .. setting down jim :)

3:57 I love this man sooooo much ❤❤❤❤ the book burning analogy explains everything ❤❤❤

this is the video that confirmed my belief as well. thank you ricky! I couldn't have said it better.

@mila7809

10 ай бұрын

Mine too !

Come on Ricky, don't give Trump any ideas about those science books.

@ben_loewe

7 жыл бұрын

Haha!

@jaid2383

7 жыл бұрын

Keksi Nobody gives a fuck mate.

@Gooberpatrol66

7 жыл бұрын

KingOfMadCows hahaha

@sathanas420

7 жыл бұрын

its all bullshit get over it

@josetato

7 жыл бұрын

+Keksi Can you prove it?

If religions would leave naive children alone until they had developed the ability to think critically, all religions would soon disappear.

@heatblaze123

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Isaac Newton wasn't much of a thinker, he's just some dumb religious nut who discovered gravity....

@LittleTed1000

7 жыл бұрын

+Heatblaze Are you suggesting Newton wasn't indoctrinated as a child? If not then I fear you've embarrassingly missed the point. (PS The appeal to authority is a logical fallacy and pitiful. Avoid.)

@OpinionatedChicken59

7 жыл бұрын

Don't underestimate how weak minded and stupid many adults turn out to be, there will always be men who want to manipulate them for their own gain you can bet whoever it was that created the various religions did so for their own profit just like the disgusting animal Joseph Smith who just wanted more wives so he made up one of the most bullshit religions of all MORMONISM! Well he got his 40 wives and the world got another whackadoo religion, thanks stupid people!

@foghornleghorn8536

7 жыл бұрын

Joe Deiser Joe Deiser When mankind was ignorant and had no understanding of why certain things happened they attributed everything that they didn't understand to a supernatural power. Of all that we have learned as a species we have never found a supernatural power to be responsible for any of it. If religions didn't fill the minds of children with these BS claims they would grow up never seeing any evidence of it either. Religion would die. As it should.

@foghornleghorn8536

7 жыл бұрын

Joe Deiser Both of those statements are true, but they have no bearing on the fact that without brainwashing children religions would disappear in short order.

I love his explanation, it's the same way that I feel.

Even though the questions that Colbert asked are usually considered gotcha questions, he presented them in such a manner that wasn’t condescending or there was no faux-humbleness, that I think he was great for asking those questions.

@ashleyoneill304

Жыл бұрын

They’re not gotcha questions at all 😂😂😂

@bisschenbildung1209

Жыл бұрын

Usually, but here he lost so badly. Still he took it gracefully.

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

If someone believes in any god, that's nobody's business but theirs, and if someone doesn't believe in god, likewise. What I loved about this conversation is that neither Ricky nor Stephen had any desire to inflict their beliefs on the other. The greatest wisdom of all is just four words. _"Live and let live."_

@FranciscoHOS

Жыл бұрын

@@bisschenbildung1209To be fair, Colbert was being a gracious host and allowed Gervais to speak a lot more than he did himself.

You know Ricky is a much more thoughtful and intelligent guy than a lot of people give him credit for

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

People may not know he has an upper second-class honours degree in philosophy.

@_giant_monkey2805

8 ай бұрын

You don’t have to be intelligent to see the flaws in religion

@atheistreligionandislameis4455

7 ай бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK According to atheist religion, What is wrong about slavery? Should we ask kmer rouge?

@TonyEnglandUK

7 ай бұрын

@@atheistreligionandislameis4455 I've no idea what you just typed and even less idea why you typed it in my direction.

@atheistreligionandislameis4455

7 ай бұрын

@@TonyEnglandUK More than 110 million people slaughtered in less than 100 years in the name of atheist religion. A very impressive kill score indeed. Even muslims are impressed with the _efficiency_ in genocide.

Ricky Gervais actually has a degree in philosophy. He can go toe to toe with anyone in a philosophical debate, and is a fascinating person to listen to on the subject.

@Team_GreenII

2 жыл бұрын

His arguments are dumb af, I can make the same argument: everyone is a theist he just believes in one less god than the rest. You see how stupid it sounds ?

@XcL-Ignites

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson

@callactm14

2 жыл бұрын

Ha

@unratutox1543

2 жыл бұрын

@@XcL-Ignites While I like some of Jordan's work, his stance on religion is ridiculous (saying that all atheists are murderers).

@cleatusb.loveall3199

Жыл бұрын

I love theology and a philosophical debate would be cool... Did you know that 150 pair of homosexuals defeated the Spartan army... And I don't remember the Hebrews forcing anyone to believe in Jehovah, Emmanuel or Melchizedek One God many names... What they did do was demonstrate the love and compassion the Lord has for his children... Their lifestyle was theirs to choose outside of that community... Even though I am a god-fearing Christian that is the way it needs to be in our nation... Instead of trying to destroy the Democracy in this country the Republicans would be busy working at building their communities... And helping others to do the same and if you don't want to go into a certain community because there's homosexuals there you have that right... If you don't want to go on certain community that's all minorities you have that right... If you don't want to go into a community because their all Muslims you have that right... But the RED COMMUNIST REPUBLICAN PARTY wants to tell all communities how they should live and who they should pray to... While the evil reds decide some communities don't deserve to live at all... When the poor won't fight the Red Republicans wars anymore that's when they attack us in our homes financially... Encouraging us with her money to fight amongst ourselves for crumbs... This is what the Red Russian Republican party has in store for us... But like in Russia when you're attacking someone else it's awful hard to build for yourself...

The way he proved that faith in science is logical was brilliant.

@ellea3344

3 жыл бұрын

But it is not faith. It is confidence based on evidence. Faith is gullibility.

@jeanvandorst4287

3 жыл бұрын

@@ellea3344 So the only claims worthy of consideration are those that have empirical evidence?

@asherikamichaela8425

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeanvandorst4287 Let's turn that around for a second. Are you saying that the ones that don't *are* worthy of consideration? Are unicorns, leprechauns, vampires, etc all up for debate, too?

@Ayd1th

3 жыл бұрын

even the assumptions of the scientific method cannot be proven

@MindHole98

3 жыл бұрын

With respect, Mr Gervais didn't prove anything whatsoever. Where is the proof exactly? There was none - he simply made the mother of all assumptions (amazingly, unchallenged by the host), which proved to be a good sound-bite. His comment was received rapturously (as all populist positions are these days), but his argument was astonishingly flawed (please see my post above).

Literally one of the best videos on KZread.

I respect colbert here for not trying to convince him and not diminishing his viewpoint but also providing his own, this is a good debate and we need more of this in today's society!

I just think its great that a conversation like this could happen on a late night talk show. Not at all the norm.

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

I just wish it had been longer, I love the fact they both kept the discussion humorous and respectful.

@LittleMAC78

Жыл бұрын

There's a very interesting longer discussion between Stephen Fry and Craig Ferguson from a good few years back along similar topics. Look out for that one, it's here on YT somewhere.

@cathal4921

Жыл бұрын

I find it interesting that these discussions come up so much in the US. Where I live in Scandinavia it is up to yourself if you are religious or not and leave it to others what they want to think or not. Nothing to quarrel about and it is not disturbing the community feeling as a whole. I gather that it has historic reasons that those who were unsatisfied and wanted all to have same believes as them were those who wandered off to the US back in time. And now they are gathered in groups over there all being unsatisfied with each other :)

@robbinvanderzwart7452

10 ай бұрын

​@@cathal4921 I like discussions between atheists and theists

I would rather have questions without answers, than answers that we cannot question.

@ayebarberfuckmeup4689

2 жыл бұрын

You can question them. That's the whole point of science. It's only proven as long as a new theory doesn't disprove it. So if there is/ you have a better explanation than e.g. the Big Bang, go ahead. Try and figure it out for yourself.

@lenkacfk7155

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayebarberfuckmeup4689 , you misunderstood the point he was making - it was a criticism of the infallibility claim of the church, and their refusal to allow anyone to question their edicts.

@ayebarberfuckmeup4689

2 жыл бұрын

@@lenkacfk7155 oh my bad. I interpreted it the other way round

@_thenidefyyoustars

2 жыл бұрын

So you'd rather live in ignorance than find out the truth... Your statement sounds intelligent but it's really not.

@lenkacfk7155

2 жыл бұрын

@@_thenidefyyoustars , you misunderstand the meaning: he says that he would rather that some things remain unknown for the time being, since we haven't found all the answers yet/ science hasn't advanced far enough, but that we are still free to look for the answers/ do the research, than have all questions answered and explained by religious doctrine that no one is allowed to question.

Ricky puts his point across well and thinks well in the given situation.

It's amazing how identical the invisible and the non existent are.

@Xavier_Coogat_the_Mambo_King

Жыл бұрын

I love when they say that god is outside of space and time. That sounds like a pretty good definition of "not existing"

@sfender2182

Жыл бұрын

@Corey Holt I don’t expect to fully understand eternity, but I’ve heard it said that God experiences the eternal now. And God has existed always; once again……always.

This is how debates should be. Calm, cool, and respecting the others beliefs.

Television needs to be more like this, two people having a conversation on a topic they disagree on. Not ending in a war or a fight but with a handshake and respect.

@NH-tb2sm

3 жыл бұрын

And nobody saying they're better than the other

@jamesdykes517

2 жыл бұрын

But he did. He called it all fiction. And he seems to be right.

@adrianross8383

2 жыл бұрын

That's how it's done in most civilised countries

@archiewoosung5062

2 жыл бұрын

A conversation would mean both contributed something

@Tonyhouse1168

2 жыл бұрын

Life needs to be more like this

Ricky gervais is an absolute genius. He represents us atheists the best!

I love Ricky. He's great.

"I only believe in one less God than you..."

@Terry-nr5qn

3 жыл бұрын

That argument is not really that good.

@brayden1892

3 жыл бұрын

@@Terry-nr5qn it's not really meant to be a argument and if it was it would still beat whatever a religious person would argue considering they literally just believe in a myth😂

@coolfred9083

3 жыл бұрын

@@Terry-nr5qn It's not really an "argument" though, what is it arguing? It's just meant to show how he thinks of beliefs in gods.

@edmqnd8128

3 жыл бұрын

Sunrider It is actually. For example hundreds or maybe even thousands of people are potentially my father yet only one of them is actually my father. And it’s the same thing with religion according to people of faith. Many religions are potentially true but only one of them are actually true. So saying i just reject one more then you do isn’t really a good argument. I believe there are much better arguments for the disbelief in God then that.

@mr.mcbeavy1443

3 жыл бұрын

@@edmqnd8128 "Many religions are potentially true but only one of are actually true". No they could ALL be false.

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Hitchens

@mohannadessam1783

3 жыл бұрын

God is not believed to be true without evidence.

@garypudup2109

3 жыл бұрын

@@mohannadessam1783 Neither are Unicorns. There is evidence of their existence everywhere you look.

@mohannadessam1783

3 жыл бұрын

@@garypudup2109 And an example would be?

@garypudup2109

3 жыл бұрын

@@mohannadessam1783 There is as much evidence for the existence of unicorns as there is gods. Gotcha.

@mohannadessam1783

3 жыл бұрын

@@garypudup2109 You have already said that. What I'm asking for now is an example.

Props to both for well thought out arguments and keeping it respectful. 😁

Ricky's argument about destroying the books and having the same science books return was something I had never thought about and I think it's just brilliant

@rohittekchandani5720

6 ай бұрын

​​@@InfoStrikeI think you didn't listen carefully. He never said that the religious books could disappear. Like he's not saying that they'll stop existing magically. He's just postulating a possibility that if someone "willingly" destroyed all the religious books. There is no chance that even after 1000 years even if some kind of religion is formed again it would be the same as previous one. Fortunately, that's not the case with science.

@something215

6 ай бұрын

​@@InfoStrikeobviously he doesn't mean literally

@Sisyphusquit

6 ай бұрын

@@InfoStrike I think you are misunderstanding his scenario

@Sisyphusquit

6 ай бұрын

​​@@InfoStrikeHe's saying that if we erased science and all religions, then science will still return as the same science. Religions will return as completely different stories. Christianity would not be the same Christianity. Islam when that return as the exact same Islam. Because science is based on research and evidence and fact, whereas religion is based on storytelling and mythology.

"But you really don't know that. You're believing because someone told you so." The Irony in that is unreal.

@WhyfallinLUVwhenUcanfallasleep

3 жыл бұрын

And i oop-

@beverly719

3 жыл бұрын

But then Ricky made his point right after.....

@ZTmerc

3 жыл бұрын

It's a ridiculous statement because everything you can be told scientifically is objective, tested, reviewed and falsified, and this prat says he believes in a god just because he wants to direct his gratitude towards something, what a moron

@elliotts6335

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it just set into stone the fact that stephen colbert is a complete idiot

@TormodSteinsholt

3 жыл бұрын

It's not ironic. It's an attempt by theists to claim that science and religion are on equal footing. That we "blindly" follow Newton. They aren't, of course. They skip the burdon of proof Newton had to meet and don't acknowledge the community that set the bar and accepts his proof when the bar is met.

Logic beats nonesense, every time.

@wernerheisenberg4112

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrote this comment.

@AB-bt9eb

7 жыл бұрын

Experience beats logic. Life is illogical lol. What is logical to you might be illogical to me.

@wernerheisenberg4112

7 жыл бұрын

A Boston Is that an objective logical fact?

@ShawnRavenfire

7 жыл бұрын

Logic is a little bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad. Are you sure your circuits are receiving me properly? Your ears are green.

@fatboyRAY24

7 жыл бұрын

Helder Pinto lol, no it doesn't 😂What world are you living in?! I will quote mark twain for you: "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

This civilised, respectful, knowledge based, challenging debate is exactly what is needed at this time..the problem is it is easier to cancel than study, listen and reflect.

He was facing a tough audience . Hats off.

@TonyEnglandUK

8 ай бұрын

I may be wrong here but I think most Americans who claim to be religious just do so because they want pollsters and religious salesmen to leave them alone, lol.

@Luke_275

6 ай бұрын

He doesn’t care lol

A rational man like Stephen can never win a debate against Atheist, it will only shaken their beliefs.

@0991ekul

7 жыл бұрын

yeah bill maher really gets under stephens skin because bills a smart ass and stephen cant dispute the facts of science.

@DManCAWMaster

7 жыл бұрын

HAmerberty Sure he could. Debating ultimately doesn't prove who is right or wrong it just says who makes a more compelling case.

@timobac1

7 жыл бұрын

Wait, you're saying the Catholic is the rational person in the room? I respect religious people down to my bloodcells, but you can't keep a straight face and say that a religious person is more rational than an Atheist. That's just not true, since the religious person believes in things science can't explain (and never will), and the Atheist only believes things that science proved to be true.

@user-vl6oo3zq8g

7 жыл бұрын

Religion has a compelling case? Where is that? As long as theists can't prove what they claim they will always be wrong.

@Cheesesteakfreak

7 жыл бұрын

This is the modern christian conversion strategy. They realize they can't win the debate. But they won't concede their mistakes themselves.

"Why is there something instead of nothing?" Why is there a god instead of nothing? It just shifts the question, it doesn't answer it.

@Andrew0you0tube

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, exactly. This problem have no solution, god can't satisfy me as the answer.

@bensetera

7 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment the same thing.

@stevesss2

7 жыл бұрын

I was a puzzled as Gervais when he said that. I thought something was god.

@frankdrebin7949

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if it wasn't the way it is, you wouldn't be able to ask that question. So why put god as the reason if you actually don't know.

@futurestoryteller

7 жыл бұрын

Whenever I think about this, and talk about it with people, it becomes very philosophical. Because someone will argue that consciousness, which is what God would have to be made(?) out of, is very complex. Then the question of who exactly decides what complexity is comes up, whether the atoms and molecules that make up the universe are definitively _less_ complex than a stream of conscious thought, even _after_ all of the observable universe has formed. If it really makes sense that it formed into _anything_ at all, the difference between conscious beings and inanimate objects, what it means if there's a creator but no capital "G" "God" and the possibility of "God" being the lead programmer to a computer simulation, or some kind of bizarre alternate reality "game." Like some weird Matrix fan fiction. Even the "we are all someone's dream" argument can't be completely dismissed by someone thinking deeply enough. That's why I don't think it's wrong to shift the question. There's a good chance our species won't survive long enough, or evolve smart enough to answer a question that is clearly too sophisticated to be fully understood anyway. I _believe_ that's why it's important to let people believe what they want.

There may or may not be a creator, but the fact that human beings think they figured "him" out and narrated "him" into a tiny little book just blows my mind.

@sfender2182

7 ай бұрын

@BillyJeanIsNotMy… God is a spirit, not male or female, but Jesus Christ (who was God and man) was a male and did say “Our Father who art in heaven” at the beginning of the Our Father prayer. Sometimes language is inadequate when talking about God, but we keep trying to describe God who is responsible for all of creation.

TAKE NOTE PEOPLE! This is how it's done, discussion and disagreement WITHOUT disrespect.

@charliestringer1665

4 жыл бұрын

Jay Flora until Trump become a President then it all a disagreement and disrespect from Colbert

@germanvisitor2

4 жыл бұрын

@@charliestringer1665 Well Trump worked hard on deserving that disrespect.

@papiobamagaming5601

4 жыл бұрын

Jay Flora there’s no nice way of telling someone that they are delusional

@josephbarron6778

4 жыл бұрын

Most Star Wars fans are probably scratching their heads right now.

This is what the world needs more of. Respecting each other views and not trying to shove ones View down the others throat. RESPECT each other!

@eddyeldridge7427

4 жыл бұрын

Views are not worthy of respect, only criticism.

@AeroZeppelin-rb4pt

4 жыл бұрын

@@eddyeldridge7427 ok boomer

@eddyeldridge7427

4 жыл бұрын

@@AeroZeppelin-rb4pt I'm a millennial, dipstick. Born in '88.

@leontrotsky8676

4 жыл бұрын

@@eddyeldridge7427 That's so dumb I can't even fathom an answer. Not respecting views is why the world is so bad.

@User-hy6ur

4 жыл бұрын

Leon Trotsky What makes the world so bad specifically?

thank you ricky for having to be talked at by another creationist and treat them with the humour / fact they deserve

How is it possible that god doesn't have a creator, but it is so hard to believe that the universe wasn't created.

@jeffwhitney3369

Ай бұрын

I always ask them the same thing. Where did God come from? IF your argument is that we had to come from somewhere and had to be created by someone or something that where did God come from? Who created GOD?

@sfender2182

Ай бұрын

God is unique. That’s how it is possible.

@adamlindfors5082

Ай бұрын

​@@jeffwhitney3369The problem is that when we talk about God we often anthropomorphize this identity into a supernatural being that we imagine can be distinguished by the universe containing him as a kind of entity similar in some aspects to commom biological entitys. If we want to talk about God as an ultimate identity we should recognize the fact that for him to be ultimate, he has to be equivialent to reality itself. Ny doing this we can also prove that he does exist since we know that there is such a thing as reality. Since we exist as parts of reality, mental aspects also exist as part of reality and therefore we can anthropomorphize him to a degree.

A lot of people here after the Golden Globes, I see

@civedm

4 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@goofygomez

4 жыл бұрын

You too huh

@dlmac5935

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t come here if weren’t for Gervais. Can’t stand Colbert!

@fordhamdonnington2738

4 жыл бұрын

I'm from the past... What happened?

@beardsvseveryone45

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha shhhiiittttt

"That's good. That's really good. That's REALLY good. Let's ignore it forever."

@pushkarmahale912

5 жыл бұрын

Colbert lost the battle there right away!

@ME-ru4hv

5 жыл бұрын

"the whole universe was in an atom.." That's really dumb. That's REALLY dumb. Let's go with it.

@paulagwhyte1720

5 жыл бұрын

Gervais is right and he won and atheists always win any debate because they don't have "faith, beliefs and feelings" behind them, they have FACTS. :) But you should always debate nicely.

@ME-ru4hv

5 жыл бұрын

Paula G Whyte First of all did you hear him explain agnostics? That means they DO NOT actually know and so it is a Faith based Belief as well. Secondly their science "facts" work against them. To say there is nothing beyond what we can see is ignorant as we only see a super small part what is all around us. It is small minded think you know much of anything when science admits that energy spectrums are infinite in both directions from what we experience. There is a Mind behind everything because it works and is productive and is coded and has meaning and purpose. Denying God is a defense against conscience and/or ego.

@ME-ru4hv

5 жыл бұрын

sorry for typos.. this touchy dainty technology is a bit discriminatory.

two brillant minds, with honest conversation and respect for eachother's ideas... earth would be heaven if we all behave like this

Facts versus Fiction

Stephen's point is literally: "I choose to believe in God, because it makes me feel better."

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

I can respect that view, of course. One hopefully can also see why BITS of the same view might make others feel worse, or frightened, or confused, as well...

@riasasselman4528

3 жыл бұрын

That's an incredibly ignorant view.

@combatwombat2134

3 жыл бұрын

It's probably the safest place to debate from and it's a position that even I, as one vehemently against religion, can see as a logical point of view. "I know there's issues with the existence or not of God, I don't believe in every aspect of it and nor can I explain it, my belief stems from a wish to feel secure and comfortable in life". That's not a dangerous point of view, it's not hurting anyone, it's completely within one person.

@pidayrocks2235

3 жыл бұрын

@@combatwombat2134 Not hurting anyone..... until you indoctrinate your children with the bible from an early age, vote for policies that mirror what you read in your rather immoral book and continue to influence others, both friends and family, to avoid pursuits of knowledge and science in favor of "saving" themselves. Don't be fooled: it's absolutely a dangerous position.... arguably more dangerous than the true religious nuts because at least those nuts are so extreme that it scares people away. I agree that there is nothing *inherently* wrong with belief for the sake of comfort but if we're being practical, the effects are predominantly the same because your belief won't be any "less" if it comes from a place of fear of the unknown/death -- you'll ultimately indoctrinate yourself entirely as there's no true comfort in being on the fence between two positions.

@hwren9845

3 жыл бұрын

I mean that's how I feel too tbh. Deep down I know I'm an atheist but it feels nice to believe there's some kind of force or being out there with a plan. Praying also feels good because it's basically a form of meditation and, again, offers a semblance of having some sort of control over things that, logically, are completely random. I basically just pick bits from different religions to suit me though, like a buffet. I have no interest in actually joining an organised religion.

"you don't believe in 2999, and i don't believe in just one more" love that lmao

@JohnFromAccounting

Жыл бұрын

It's not very strong because monotheistic God is the greatest thing there is, while pagan gods can be killed or disobeyed and don't have absolute power over everything. The majority of people in the world believe in one God, the ultimate entity. There's no competition with pagan pantheons and folk gods.

@motoman1008

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnFromAccounting they will never understand...

@funstuff5675

Жыл бұрын

Are you telling me the monotheistic God’s of all religions are the same? Of course not. So when you compile the list of Gods, whether it’s 3 or 3,000, the argument still applies. You believe in yours and not the others. An atheist simply believes in one less….whether it’s 3 or 3,000. “They will never understand” is as arrogant a comment as I can imagine. When will you understand that God and Santa Claus are equally as tangible?

@robpayne2918

Жыл бұрын

@@funstuff5675 I’ve never witnessed a religious person make a compelling argument for belief of any gods. We know why they can’t. Frustrating to witness the delusion. I try to be polite and respectful of peoples religions but it can be very difficult in the face of such nonsense

@TonyEnglandUK

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnFromAccounting The majority of religious people in the world select the most-popular god in their nation and dismiss all others without even reading what they have to say. Bearing in mind what your religion warns you about lying, tell me how many other religions' holy texts you've read besides yours.

Colbert trying his hardest to get a rise out of Ricky at certain points... but to no avail! Ricky invites these chats with open arms and a calm demeanour because he know's that people have very strong belief systems and always want to challenge him about why he doesn't believe in the same religion/ beliefs as them. So dynamic and clear with his explanations, without belittling the opposition during a conversation that means so much to a lot of people! Masterfully navigated Ricky... Hats off to you pal!

"That's why I am a good boy".... He left a back door open, just in case 😂

"Convince me there's a god." "Why is there something, rather than nothing?" "That's a question, not an argument."

@KristerAndersson-nc8zo

3 жыл бұрын

And a question that can not being answered.

@JMUDoc

3 жыл бұрын

@@KristerAndersson-nc8zo So? An atheist's "I don't know" doesn't make a theist right by default. You don't win just because you have AN answer.

@KristerAndersson-nc8zo

3 жыл бұрын

@@JMUDoc I agree, and for the record I am an atheist.

@JMUDoc

3 жыл бұрын

@@KristerAndersson-nc8zo Then why do theists seem to think our ignorance is their evidence? I wish Gervais had pushed this point - Colbert would have run into a wall, conversationally.

@KristerAndersson-nc8zo

3 жыл бұрын

@@JMUDoc I have no idea, I think you better ask a theist about that but be warned the answer will probably make no sense.

This presenter was way more accepting of Ricky's way of thinking than a lot of people can be its actually quite refreshing to see

@alberich3099

7 жыл бұрын

well both were very considerate. The thing is most people have a specific view of atheists and their way of thinking. Often not beein able to understand how someone can be grateful yet have no where to target it to, or to accept that there is just univers nothing less nothing more. I guess Colbert hasn't realy talked like that with an atheist, because most of the time these arguments tend to be about the question weather there is a god or not, not on how do atheists percive the world and answer questions believers often atribute to god.

@TheClassicWorld

6 жыл бұрын

That's not a good thing. Is it refreshing to meet a serial killer that makes you a cup of tea before he kills you? The difference is only superficial. I do not enjoy falsehoods and deception. Show us your true self. I care not if they are chanting in their living room or on my door step -- or rather, I care equally. Therefore, what I mean to say is, he is only ostensibly different to the crazy believers, not genuinely.

@Ghastly6890

6 жыл бұрын

Warhammer Workshop *tips fedora*

Love this because no matter what you gonna side with the person you agree with from the start

@Xavier_Coogat_the_Mambo_King

Жыл бұрын

I mean yeah, nobody is going to change their mind in 5 minutes. But people do change. I was a christian for over 20 years, and I can honestly day that videos lile this discussions I read in comment sections were a factor in changing that

Would have loved to see Jon Stewart join in on this conversation. ❤️ I found it fascinating…they should do it again.

“The universe has no obligation to make sense to us”

@bluemountain8110

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Thompson we make sense of it

@Gninja2006

4 жыл бұрын

Sigma

@mikeemotionless

4 жыл бұрын

Quoted perfectly by Neil Degrasse Tyson

@owenrussell2336

4 жыл бұрын

Our minds cannot grasp the concept of existence and this is why certain religions exist to "make sense" of it.

@v10ramTony

4 жыл бұрын

@@bluemountain8110 ? We do attempt to make sense of the universe. We have not made "sense of it" yet. Unless you know something I don't?

I love how confident the host is in his personal belief, yet he still is respectful in conversation with who he’s hosting.

@chrisbuesnell3428

2 жыл бұрын

It's because he's totally brainwashed

@connieluvr

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbuesnell3428 agreed

@roems6396

Жыл бұрын

It’s called indoctrination. He even admitted that he just has a vague sense of gratitude and wants t direct it at something. That is illogical, by definition.

@omar...4250

Жыл бұрын

There must be a first cause, which is the Creator It is impossible for nothing to produce anything God must have existed before creation And it must be one, since there is only one will, the cause of everything Where everything is created He must have a will, since creater He must have complete knowledge since He created everything He must have full power as he created everything the creation must be out of Creator Let me give you an example (of course I do not liken myself to God Almighty, but for the sake of clarification) If I made an invention, for example, a television Am I going to say it came out of nowhere? Of course not, or I say it does not have a creator, the creator is the inventor Will I be a part of it? of course not Do I have a will when I made TV Will I be fully aware of this TV? Yes Is my strength in the moment of the television industry superior to the television (if we do not take the factor of time) (because God is outside time because time and space are created) Yes Will the Creator create creatures that have a nature and a different creation from the rest of creation (animals) (1 freedom of choice 2 consciousness 3 language 4 mathematics) Of course, the four virtues of Islam are part of the instinct that God created in man And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, and said, Inform me of the names of these men. ♦ The surah and verse number: Surat Al-Baqarah (31). name = أسماء Names mean languages, information, etc It is the instinct that God has placed in human Surah At-Tur verse 36 Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators?[And] have they created the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no certainty of anything![How could they?] Are thy Sustainer’s treasures with them? Or are they in charge [of destiny]?Or have they a ladder by which they could [ascend to ultimate truths and] listen [to what is beyond the reach of human perception]? Let, then, any of them who have listened [to it] produce a manifest proof [of his knowledge]! The universe cannot create itself, as if you say that my mother gave birth to herself. This is illogical. Where there is a point of not having it and not having children, so this is stupidity to say that nothing produces anything You cannot find evidence for it (for example, mathematics cannot prove that 1 + 1 = 2 has no evidence, but we believe that it is true and certain without evidence Likewise, language. Why does man have language and not like animals, just voices of anger and distress, etc.? A riddle, and we have no evidence for the existence of language. You cannot prove that language is real. You cannot prove consciousness. You can't prove that you are real and exist, not just a dream or illusions as well as the rest) That is why humans are different from other creatures Therefore, these four qualities must have a reason and a judgment For example, the choice So we choose to believe or not to believe in God Language so that there is communication and knowledge of the existence of God etc (As well as the build the earth and make it better *) Therefore, these four characteristics must have a reason It's not just a blank who created the Creator I will simplify an old philosophical principle for you. If I asked you for an Apple and you said to me, I will give you. If the one phiend me gives me, then the one who behind behind me ....... to infinity (Infinity), will the Apple reach me? No, of course, as well as the universe and everything (the universe and everything) (exist) so there is an end and a final cause we are the product of the first cause so this cuts off the end of the causes do you have proof that your seventh grandfather exists? did you meet him How did you conclude that he exists? Maybe he came out of nowhere (nothing) You will say of course not, this is nonsense. No mind accepts it. you will follow the logic that says that every accident has a cause Likewise, did the universe come from nothing, or is Allah is the creator? ‏ Now I have explained to you the Creator with logic and reason away from any religion But there is a gap. Did God create us and give us the four distinct qualities without benefit? of course not This gives the attribute of inferiority (Glory be to God Almighty). God is perfect The Messengers sent to every nation prophets, As Allah said in the Qur'an . and the last of them was Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace Is there a religion other than Islam that does not contradict logical arguments? There is no The religions and philosophies of Central and East Asia The Creator is present in all creatures This is logically wrong Christianity (There are 3 gods and at the same time they are one and this is a contradiction) The Creator regrets creation The Creator did not know the harvest season Doesn't know when the hour . The Creator put a rainbow beside him so that he remembers not to drown the world in a flood. But he drowned them anyway . God is the creator of the world, how can he be ignorant of something? He is the creator of everything, he must possess the knowledge of everything etc We Muslims use Allah, not God Because "God " is giving meaning that he is male This is wrong there nothing like Him Allah Almighty

@2fast2block

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbuesnell3428 How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJ2B09yHj7y5iLg.html The odds are NOT there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ttycOwqr2yo84.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpiV07WupNebkdo.html

"why is there something instead of nothing?" "Why are you presuming there'd be nothing instead if something? Especially when you've never seen nothing and something is all you know!"

Ricky totally nailed it !

Excellent debate, both seem very capable of defending their corner without shouting or coming to blows.

@jonathanrao6498

5 жыл бұрын

paul eggins yeah but Ricky obviously destroyed him, just as any rational conversation about the existence of god. People will say god is not rational.. well that is a paradox because reasoning without using your reason wouldn’t make to much sense right? U are right though, it’s a pretty polite confrontation but I think it’s just because no one was trying to convince no one and the debate was short and pretty superficial

@papapabs175

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Rao True, but normally when God & religion are being discussed tempers can & often rise. Just nice seeing two different views being discussed with humour & with an absence of any malice.

@carolsong412

4 жыл бұрын

I agree that Ricky won the debate. whenever I'm confused about religion I watch this. I'm proud to say I'm a agnostic atheist. LOL

@stevebarrett2106

4 жыл бұрын

Although just a little, gentlemanly fight could have been entertaining.

@bforthigh1617

4 жыл бұрын

paul eggins cause they don’t hate each other.