Cosmonaut: “Batman is not a beloved character. Harley Quinn is. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League isn’t bad. You are just dumb.”

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

With how much Cosmo love batman, I legit wonder how he actually felt about that whole scene

@ThunderClapClide

3 ай бұрын

@@lulukomadori9651I sincerely think he’d try everything to justify it, just so he’s not lumped in with the “toxic fans.” This is the same guy who openly mocks fans by calling them dumb in the title of his videos.

@ninatomamon5630

3 ай бұрын

Harley is very overrated, she is one of those characters that were better as supporting characters but no, apparently they want to put her in the soup and on top of that they made her a lesbian why.... diversity? Saying that she is more loved than a bartender is something a schizophrenic on cocaine would say.

@mariokarter13

3 ай бұрын

Harley Quinn might be the most botched character in comic book history.

@Necrow_Productions

3 ай бұрын

@@ThunderClapClide Absolutely. Cosmo literally has no convictions of own. He's a hypocrite driven by the audience he made from being a contrarian. I still don't know why people like him but I suppose people actually don't pay attention to him past his vocal fry...

“Joel was never a beloved character” “You guys are just mad that Joel died” Pick one, and only one, Cosmonaut

@EnsignRedshirtRicky

3 ай бұрын

"Sexual Harassment" - Coconaut

@mrbigglezworth42

3 ай бұрын

He's decided to pick both and hoped no one would notice. Just like he did with Star Wars, and Marvel.

@MarcioGianotti

3 ай бұрын

love your avatar, man

@denkerbosu3551

3 ай бұрын

​@@MarcioGianotti Man is such a beloved character

@lloytron9105

3 ай бұрын

man pfp goes hard af

Hes so UNbeloved that sony never put him in any marketing, never used him to lie as a sell for tlou2, was never on posters as a “playstation icon” alongside ellie, kratos, ratchet etc. Never got easter egg cameos like in astro bot, no hes just SO HATED. Edit: oh and i went to universal’s horror nights house last year, they had a last of us house. Who was front and center for the marketing? JOEL and ellie, nothing tlou2 related. Ugh so unbeloved this guy!

@kwk111

3 ай бұрын

The marketing clearly communicated that either Joel would literally join Ellie on her journey or he would come along as like Ellie's imaginary version. Both the reveal trailer and final trailer did this. Neither scenario happened so it was blatant false advertising. I honestly can't blame consumers for being a bit ticked off by that.

I hate being reminded that Last of Us 2 exists.

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

just remember it won goty during one of the worst year for the earth, but yeah, it hurt MUCH more being reminded it got an remake 3 years later

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

It doesn’t. It was just a group hallucination.

@nont18411

3 ай бұрын

It also had a movie as well. It’s called “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever”.

@tobyduarte9849

3 ай бұрын

I really can’t wait till it fades to the obscurity of time lol. Thank god for EFAP digging into the abysmal writing and documenting it for history online 😂

@EnsignRedshirtRicky

3 ай бұрын

@Nicks - Fat Geralt is the silver lining in that bigot sandwich.

The justification of bad writing to say “yeah well no one cared about him” might be one of the worst copes ever seen on EFAP.

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

Especially as Ellie is crying ON THE SCREEN

@burgertime6372

3 ай бұрын

I dont think anything can be worse than “pretend its what you wanted and see how you feel”

@BigIndividual

3 ай бұрын

@@burgertime6372I said “one of”. Nothing will ever top CinemaWins.

@burgertime6372

3 ай бұрын

@@BigIndividual I misread your comment my mistake lol

@yung_wise5861

3 ай бұрын

​@@burgertime6372ah you beat me to it

A detail love that the "Joel doomed mankind" crowd always seem to miss is that Ellie was born only 16 years after the outbreak, meaning it only took ONE generation for someone to evolve an immunity. So why on earth would you assume with more time there WOULDN'T be way more people with such an immunity after several generations? That's a much more realistic hope than trusting the Fireflies.

@LukasJampen

3 ай бұрын

Or trusting that any faction or factions could produce a vaccine in reasonable quantities, distribute them fairly and that would change anything. The world is still overrun by zombies, factions wage war against each other and infrastructure is completely fucked with humanity still devastated. But hey at least they don't need to worry about the spores and bites anymore 😅

@zerowolf0006

3 ай бұрын

Humanity was already getting its shit back together it was honestly just other groups being threats to each other faction wars

@realistic_delinquent

3 ай бұрын

That’s not how evolution works… Ellie (infertile) and people possessing her exact, extraordinarily rare mutagenic phenotype would have to sire an OBSCENE proportion of the next generation in order to make a noticeable change in the gene pool. Especially with so many apparently unbothered survivors and (as the boys pointed out), alternate inhibitions to fitness.

@AlmightySmorg

3 ай бұрын

Yeah the "zombies" were more of a secondary problem if anything

@krispykrim3532

3 ай бұрын

To be exact, Ellie isn't necessarily immune. The cordyceps in her brain is a mutated strain that has developed a symbiotic relationship that protects her from the regular infection. Ellie may very well be a miracle event that won't reappear in anyone's lifetime, but that doesn't really matter because the point of the Fireflies and their attempt to experiment on her is that they're going all in on a plan with no promise of success.

Everyone: I love Joel as a character, that's why I'm angry. Cosmonaut: No you don't.

@harbl99

3 ай бұрын

Cosmonaut: "Everyone has false consciousness except me. It's difficult being so smart and right."

@adamtheriault6743

3 ай бұрын

"you don't want to do that, you think you do, but you don't"

@realistic_delinquent

3 ай бұрын

Remarkable narcissistic solipsism on display.

That game made us and a girl that considers Joel her father watch as a college linebacker bashed his skull in with a golf club, and then expected us to sympathize with his murderer because she petted a dog! I'm genuinely getting upset again, all these years later.

@Mr.NopeNope

3 ай бұрын

I read "with a wolf club" and was like what do they have against you what didya do

@Rolf97

3 ай бұрын

@@Mr.NopeNope i suppose using a wolf cub would make it even more deranged.

@sophiasfavorite9646

3 ай бұрын

​@@Rolf97Yeah that's just mean to the poor puppy. Like if you're gonna beat a guy to death, don't use a wolf cub. Who does that?

@zachgilbert3815

3 ай бұрын

Hey her dad saved a zebra!!!

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

No, you watched someone bring a speciecidal psycho who murdered her father to justice. You don't need more to sympathize with her if you have a hint of sanity left.

Cosmonaut and saying something stupid in an annyoing way, name a more iconic duo.

@StigMurcielago

3 ай бұрын

NeverKnowsBest and Skyrim

@darkraiking680

3 ай бұрын

Boogie and Protein in Urine

@sonicextreme3448

3 ай бұрын

Twin perfect and a yes or no question

@Gojeto346

3 ай бұрын

Rags and not listening to what someone else is saying

@TA-zq3ez

3 ай бұрын

Hasan and leaving his chair

"Luke, you had to die because no one thinks you're a beloved character. Rey is. Anyone who believes otherwise is dumb." -Darth Baggo Bilbi

Why are these people think that it’s a good thing to kill a child? Even if Ellie “consented” to the procedure, it still came from her traumatized state of mind. She felt obligated to die to “save the world” thanks to her survivor’s guilt, which is something that the Fireflies kept reminding her (gaslighting a kid for their own gain. Truly a scummy move). Plus, why bother making any vaccine when the infection wasn’t that big of an issue in the second game? Remember the class A gym in Abby’s settlement? Remember Tommy’s settlement? Ellie deserves to enjoy life instead of being someone else’s political tool.

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

Druckmann REALLY wanted to retcon Ellie into having a martyr complex. Even though she is shown as wanting to live many times through the first game

@nont18411

3 ай бұрын

@@ManHamAlsume She even said about things she wanted to do AFTER finishing the procedure. For what she knew, she could get out of that alive.

@laneneely1077

3 ай бұрын

Gaslighting children for a cause is all the rage nowadays.

@theprowler18

3 ай бұрын

That's why the first one is still beloved. Cause of that shade of ambiguity to the motivations and intent of many of the characters in that story. The second one makes it blunt and clear, thus creating a less interesting sequel story as a result of that creative retcon.

@zachrohler1047

3 ай бұрын

Not only the fact the virus seems to not really be as present, even with a cure theres what? 20k total humans left on the planet? Most of them being bandits? Ain't now way in a cold hell that vaccine makes it even out of the city

The sheer inability to conceive of people emphasising deeply with fatherly love

@unnf9971

3 ай бұрын

Maybe they never had a single father figure in their miserable lives.

At least, there’s one good thing from this. People still acknowledge that Joel did save Ellie in the first game. If this was an MCU property, it would have been like “Joel didn’t do anything wrong because he didn’t do anything at all. He was a bumbling loser working 9 to 5 job. The only reason he got to save Ellie because the Skrulls did it for him. The Skrulls killed the Fireflies and saved Ellie because Joel is useless without them.”

Joel instantly became an *iconic* videogame character. Back when TLOU came out, *everyone* loved him. Too bad that tourists infiltrated the gaming industry and among them, "straight white man bad" in a very popular idea.

@darkbum1510

3 ай бұрын

*terrorists

@borkguy

3 ай бұрын

Tourist is a great description of how these locusts, woke locusts… wokusts? Move through fandoms

@nathanjora7627

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately that’s not the case here since it’s Joel’s creator that backstabbed Joel, and he seems committed to that idea. Still possible that his mind changed because of the people that infiltrated the industry but I think it’s also equally plausible that he just was always like that, and at best it got worse as time went on.

@hafirenggayuda

3 ай бұрын

​@@nathanjora7627from what I heard, the initial story for tlou 1 is basically Abby's. Druckmann was fascinated by this revenge story (forgot specific) of a man who spent years tracking and killing people who wrong him. Amy Hennig and co review the draft and change it, make it more reasonable. I feel Druckmann never like Joel to begin with

@nathanjora7627

3 ай бұрын

@@hafirenggayuda To clarify, when you say the initial story for TLOU1 is Abby’s you mean mean that initially TLOU1 was going to be about what Abby’s story is in TLOU2, not that TLOU1’s initial story was similar to TLOU1’s eventual story but with Abby instead of Joel ?

God, Cosmonaut's vocal fry annoys the FUCK out of me...

Cosmo: "Joel is not a fuckin. Beloved character." IGN's 2022 _Best PlayStation Character_ poll results: "The Last of Us' Joel Miller claimed spot #3 [right below Nathan Drake at #2 and Kratos at #1.]" Joel Miller's Wikipedia page, under Reception: *cracks knuckles*

Did Druckman actually have anything to do with the first game? How did he miss the nuance of TLOU’s ending? There was zero guarantee a vaccine could be achieved. But nah, let’s retcon that detail and say, “no yeah killing Ellie 100% guaranteed would have saved the earth.”

@zahubshahid7944

3 ай бұрын

According to his own words, yes he was part of the writing process. But he also admitted that Bruce Straley played a BIG part in "grounding the story" and not making it too over the top. Neil said something along the lines of "I'm a very dark person and I love seeing fucked up things happen in stories" so it was because of Bruce the story was balanced and not too crazy with the gore and dread like it was in LOU 2.

@MegaDarkness5000

3 ай бұрын

@@zahubshahid7944 So Bruce is what made LOU 1 good, and then Neil got rid of him......

@zahubshahid7944

3 ай бұрын

@@MegaDarkness5000 Idk if Neil got rid of him but yes, Bruce is a big reason why LOU 1 was good.

Joel is an archetype character. His character, the broken man who heals, has endured MILLENNIA. Joel is not just beloved. Joel is TEMPLATE.

One thing i found completely contrived about Tlou2 was how mad Ellie was at Joel because she didnt die. It never felt natural to me that she was not at least somewhat grateful for her life. Her complete and total disdain for him felt manufactured. Also, the fact Joel doesnt really even try to justify it to her, despite him being cleary distressed that she feels that way. It makes no sense to me

@zachrohler1047

3 ай бұрын

If ellie was so damn angry she was alive , there was ample time to off herself. But then Neil wouldnt get to shit on an entire story

@ozyrysozi6186

3 ай бұрын

I will play a bit of devils advocate here, but I see thay Ellie could be mad at Joel. I mean - she heard that she is special, she can help create "cure" and she probably took it as part of her personality, she is the "special one". Joel saving her took part of her mission, who she was, she took away the moment where she could shine as special girl who helped with creating a cure. Is it a big stretch? For me a bit, as it's odd that Joel doesn't argue with her, tells her that her living is important to him, he just brushes it off, telling "Yeah, I would do it all over again if I could". What Joel did was selfish, for sure, but I would say it's easy to understand why and probably a lot of people would save the person you love. Joel would see another person he cares die and for what? Promise from people you wouldn't believe? People who nearly killed you for getting Ellie to them? People who see themselves as someone above everyone? Ellie has any right to feel angry with Joel, he stopped her from being special, maybe even taking away something she saw as her mission, destiny. But also she is selfish when talking to Joel in coffee and guitar scene at the end of TLoU2 - she talks about herself, that he took her meaning, that she was meant to die there, it's emotional, so also probably irrational. But she skips that Joel did it becouse she cared for her, there is no Joel at that moment, nothing about how he felt. Also I guess maybe she felt like guilt for being alive - what if she could save someone if she died? What if she could save 10, 15 people? And also - maybe she saw whole journey pointless, all the pain, everything she saw, did while trying to reach Fireflies. In my opinion it's valid that she could feel like this, but it's emotions, seems like they never talked about it untill this moment, like she hadn't got time to think about it, cool down and see valid points from Joel perspective. And also it seems like Joel doesn't want to even tell Ellie his perspective - that he saved someone he grown to love like a daughter, even tell her that sure it was selfish, but it came from his feelings towards her. So for sure I feel like a lot of this is manufactured to create situatuin where then can somwewhat reunite - "I don't know if I can ever forgive you. But I would like to try". At the end, it seems like Ellie could forgive Joel, maybe even see his perspective. As for Ellie offing herself - I would argue that she would feel more guilty as maybe there is still a chance to help others, seeing herself as "special one", but I doubt anyone would think about this that deep looking at some of the writings their done there. She is angry that she lives after she was taught she could help other people, she could change something, so basically Joel took her superhero arc (it's oversimplification, but I hope it's understandable what I mean here). Also sorry for a long comment, but guess it's my style.

@markm5927

3 ай бұрын

That whole sequence is bizarre. Joel rides up to her and starts hugging her without any reaction to the fact she's at the hospital. Joel has never been one to shy away from an argument, even with people he loved. I get that he would be emotional here but he feels like a different person. Same with Ellie, who feels more immature here than she does in the first game.

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

Ellie kinda forgot that she already knew Joel was lying at the end of the first game

As big fans of Joseph Anderson, massive some might say, I'm sure all y'alls know that in his video on The Last of Us, he mentions that the Fireflies come across as extremely incompetent; they don't have the resources to escort what they consider to be the most important person on the planet and every time Joel and Ellie come across a Firefly base, or whatever, it's already been taken out by bandits, zombies, and/or zombie bandits. I feel Joel would have been justified to save Ellie from them even if he hated her with the searing red hot passion of a thousand burning suns.

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

No, he's not justified in dooming the human race, and can't be, as that is the most evil act you could possibly commit.

Any plot point is “good if done right” a story being done “right” means it’s very likely “good” by definition Unfortunately, the plot point in this video ie Joel’s death, was not done right

@XenoSpyro

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm tired of hearing that phrase. It's very baseline: "If it was good it would be good." Well, no shit.

@321cheeseman

3 ай бұрын

@@XenoSpyro It bears constant repeating because morons continually insist you hate piece of media only because of concept, rather than because of its quality, especially if they can attach an implicit accusation of you being a bigot to it (e.g.: you just hate it because character is gay/black/a woman).

@yinnyonline

3 ай бұрын

@@XenoSpyro this might seem like common sense to us but there are people out there who value ideas inherently more than execution. i talked to someone on twitter who literally said that ideas are more important than execution (he gave the legend of korra a 7/10 citing that it has good ideas and bad execution...). you could write luke dying in TLJ in the best way possible, with all the setup you could ever need and all the payoff that TLJ didn't have, and there would still be people who get upset because they just dont like the idea of luke dying.

Mauler sarcastically calling Southpaw a vain, pompous, PoS. Lol.

@tanner201x8

3 ай бұрын

Loved Rags saying “stop yelling it’s weird”

That zoom in on Mauler after Southpaw wanted to read out his idea... Ouch.

I can't wait for history to repeat itself when TLOU Season 2 comes out

@The_child-catcher

3 ай бұрын

It's coming out sometime this year right? Can't wait for the shitstorm.

1:14 Foreshadowing is a literary technique

@mistermike4023

3 ай бұрын

Sometimes, foreshadowing is incredibly obvious

@joemoran7306

3 ай бұрын

understanding deep cut efap memes is the only thing in life that brings me joy.

@Don-Scrima

3 ай бұрын

Gotta love how SP and Wolf are still sniping at each other for sniping at each other after all this time. The mutual stupidity and disrespect between two massive hypocrites is mildly amusing. “Stop being upset, you %#¥£€@&$!” sums those two up pretty well.

@Don-Scrima

2 ай бұрын

Gotta love how Wolf keeps deleting my comments criticizing him for spending the phone call where his supposed friend tries to even things out with him abusing said friend; and he’s somehow “not the problem” in this situation. Almost as if he knows he can’t be defended on this one.

Cosmonaut: [Blank] isn't [blank] at aaaalll. Seriously, whenever he makes a point in this format, he's wrong 95% of the time lol. He did something similar in his Star Wars prequels video. It was something like "There aren't any good characters in the prequels at all" ... Can't believe I was ever subscribed to him.

@deltanoiro

3 ай бұрын

My unsubscription moment from Cosmonaut was his argument that objectivity doesn't exist, and everything is subjective. Every part of my brain knew that was nonsense

@jacobyullman5005

3 ай бұрын

@@deltanoiro EXACTLY. The amount of times I have had to explain to someone what the difference between REAL critique and personal opinion is astounding. Real criticism is supposed to tackle the objective aspects of a work, of which there are many, while personal opinion is highly subjective and influenced heavily by a person's own preferences. When it comes to fimmaking and videogames, multimedia entertainment artforms, there are objective factors by which we can measure them. Picture quality, sound quality, sound mixing, pacing, dialogue, delivery of dialogue, proper framing, storyline consistency, maintaining a cohesive internal logic by which your storyworld is built upon and how characters within it should act accordingly. These are all things that can be objectively measured. Too many "critics" take their own subjective opinions on art style, comedic tastes, music preferences, themes, messaging, etc. as legitimate criticism which reflects the objective quality of a work. It doesn't. You can like something that's objectively badly made, and hate something that's objectively well made, for subjective reasons.

@deltanoiro

3 ай бұрын

@@jacobyullman5005 very well said

@reverbthevocal421

3 ай бұрын

The one that’s stuck with me the most is describing some JJBA characters as the exact opposite of who they are, like Narancia being a “funny coward”, or Fugo being a “calm cool guy”.

I would feel safer being around Joel than around Zebraman and the Fireflies. At least Joel won’t pretend he’s your friend before he kills you.

@Hashbrown1682

3 ай бұрын

Plus Joel probably won't kill you if you don't threaten him

@yung_wise5861

3 ай бұрын

Yeah he doesn't kill that black guy once he finds out he's friendly. That's one of my favorite interactions in the first game too cause the guy says "goddamn man you punched hard as shit!" Joel: "yes. I was trying to KILL you..."

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

Joel will doom your entire species while the Fireflies will save it though.

@chasewilson3693

3 ай бұрын

@@Arphemius Lmao what the hell are you talking about? The fireflies were a group of morons who were no better than any other group of bandits you fight in the game. The only difference is that they dressed themselves up as revolutionaries. They wanted to murder a little girl not out of genuine care for the human species, but because their group was dying out (as we see from all the abandoned/destroyed FireFly bases) and desperately needed a trump card that they would have used as a bargaining chip to become the dominate power in this new world. The chances of them even discovering any "cure" were slim at best and killing someone (who didn't even consent to it) who is immune without goring through extraneous testing is BEYOND stupidity. They were desperate for their OWN interests, not the interests of humanity.

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

@@chasewilson3693 Chances are 100% and no line of dialogue in the game doubts that. they would have saved the world and Joel doomed it. That's the story and the entire point of the ending.

Played both games, watched a bunch of theory vids. Have never seen anyone make a convincing argument that Joel made the wrong decision. Nevermind they intended to kill Joel so its essentially self defence, the smoking gun is Ellie not knowing they were going to kill her which is confirmed in the second game by Ellie herself. Druckmanns a boob

@samael4550

3 ай бұрын

The idea that the v@ccine would do anything in the first place is laughable. I understand it’s a video game, I can suspend my disbelief a little, but my brain isn’t turned off all the way, I can’t just accept the fact that this v@ccine will be magical and solve everything. The same issue pops up in Fallout 76, the DLC I believe, a v@ccine is made for a disease that causes people to be extremely violent and animalistic, and after it’s made, the issue just isn’t addressed again. The disease is just no longer an issue. There’s no explanation as to how this magical medication was spread, how the already sick were dealt with, nah, everything is just fine now. Which is a _little_ more forgivable in the world of Fallout as it’s never been extremely ‘realistic’, but it still just makes no sense for the same reasons it wouldn’t in TLOU. It’s almost as if a political event was tainting peoples’ minds about the effectiveness of v@ccines … I don’t even know for sure if that’s why, but it does make sense. Why did it have to be an inoculation, why couldn’t they have figured out a way to make a CURE for the disease ? That obviously wouldn’t be very realistic either, but at least it’d somewhat make sense to risk everything to get it made. I know the original was made long before the coof, but the idea that the ending of the first game doomed the human race wasn’t developed until many years later, until after the 2nd game came out. When Naughty Dog retconned Joel into being some awful person who made the EVIL decision of saving his daughter. It was never meant to be black and white, it was up to the player to determine whether or not they’d do what Joel did at the end of the first game, it was an extremely difficult decision to make. But the 2nd game just makes it a simple one, Joel messed up and he has to die for it.

People sucking up to TLOU 2 desperately trying to defend it talk about Joel like they were referring to Joel from helldivers Cosmos and justwrites words would actually make sense im that case

‘Joel wasn’t beloved’ Then why are so many people mad that he died?

@nont18411

3 ай бұрын

He’s an idea

@TheRealHosty

3 ай бұрын

@@nont18411 he’s the hero we needed, but not the one we deserved

@johnjohnson9073

3 ай бұрын

With how much he harps on about how Joel kills people I'm curious to know if Cosmonaut thought he was saying "benevolent". It makes sense with the Winnie the Pooh example of a "beloved character". Joel is most certainly beloved, but by no stretch on the imagination benevolent. Would be a pretty stupid mistake to make and not catch in editing though

@Soridan

3 ай бұрын

Obviously because they just hate women that much, duh.

@TheRealHosty

3 ай бұрын

@@johnjohnson9073 you underestimate cosmonaut’s intelligence. Or lack thereof

The firefly’s have also done this procedure on multiple immune people and yet a it’s all failed

@denistannenberg

3 ай бұрын

do we know that for certain or is it just a lie Joel told Ellie to make her feel better about herself? And don't get me wrong, bashing TLOU II is the only thing that brings me joy in life, but it's best that we get our facts checked

@arandomguardsmen

3 ай бұрын

@@denistannenberg it was in logs they found in the hospital it’s known

@arandomguardsmen

3 ай бұрын

@@denistannenberg I can’t remember if it was the first hospital with the monkey outbreak or the one where Joel kills everyone

@zachrohler1047

3 ай бұрын

​@@arandomguardsmenthat they fucking removed in the remake to gaslight the older fans and make Joel out to be more evil.

@arandomguardsmen

3 ай бұрын

@@zachrohler1047 are u serious

"Joel is the key to all deaths, if we can get him working. Because he's a horrible character that we've ever had."

You could make a whole GDELB from Cosmonaut's material alone

It is very disturbing how casual Cosmonaut is at constantly gaslighting people. I can just imagine him as a kid: " Cosmo? Did you break the cookie jar and eat all the cookies?" " What cookies? What jar? Those shards were always on the floor. I don't even like cookies. I'm diabetic don't you remember? You're a very neglectful mother!" (Face is covered in crumbs)

I usually listen to these on another tab but I’m glad I caught the quick zoom on Rags when he says “Stopyellingitsweird.”

38:43 "Stop yelling, it's weird." Man, the signs were all there, weren't they?

@The_child-catcher

3 ай бұрын

Who was that yelling?

@mistermike4023

3 ай бұрын

@@The_child-catcher One of the former panelists

@zahubshahid7944

3 ай бұрын

Yooo I didn't catch this despite having listened to this stream 2 separate times.

@zahubshahid7944

3 ай бұрын

Southpaw

@connors9597

3 ай бұрын

Tismpaw

When I first saw Joel interrogating those two guys after his injury, I fell in love with his character. When I saw what happened to him in the second game, I started hating Neil Druckman

Everyone knows that Joel is the most evil character ever! i mean every death after the first game are his fault! XD

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

Very insane - also great bayonetta review, bless the thicc witch -

@The90sDoggo

3 ай бұрын

@@lulukomadori9651 Thanks man, i am already working on a script for a review for the second game.

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

@@The90sDoggo no doubt big like her assets , gotta play the series someday too

@The90sDoggo

3 ай бұрын

@@lulukomadori9651 Oh yeah you should they are great! well except the third, that one was a downgrade! XD

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

Every one you see on screen, due to the laws of causality, is his fault, yes.

1:18 I almost gagged with the cut right before the "go ahead" A classic premonition from mauler

The history revisionism of Joel’s character in TLOU2 is insane. Neil Cuckman’s game deserved to get leaked after all of this

Southpaw and his main character syndrome made every arc he was in tough to get through

@kylefrank638

3 ай бұрын

Strangely, I found him asking permission to start into his what-if more jarring than if he had just.. started presenting his idea, when the conversation reached a good jumping-off point. He like went out of his way to make it an unnatural transition, he really didn't need to present it as "I have all the notes right here, Mr. MauLer sir"

@kylefrank638

3 ай бұрын

I still find he's making good points throughout this discussion, though. I consider it a great shame that he and EFAP fell out.

@casetheace8494

2 ай бұрын

It's an interesting experience going back through these clips after the kerfuffle. It's clear that Southpaw felt he was closer with the erap guys than he actually was. Borderline parasocial.

@Don-Scrima

2 ай бұрын

It’s crazy a a recorded call of Wolf straight up abusing someone who was trying to make amends convinced everyone that Southpaw was the bad guy. Of course, that was before Southpaw became joined Wolf in the same behavior.

@ManHamAlsume

2 ай бұрын

@@Don-Scrima It’s crazy how you believe that

Nothing cracks Fringy up like a well-timed Simpsons reference. Truly the most consistently-written EFAPper.

I had to scrub my eyes after episode 3 of the tv series. It was just 2 dudes making out for an hour

I forgot how stupid Cosmonaut was good lord

Forgot Southpaw was in this lol.

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

It’s best to forget he exists

@zahubshahid7944

3 ай бұрын

Not to sound overdramatic but he makes this video hard to listen to. He's a weirdo.

@samuellund1377

3 ай бұрын

​@@zahubshahid7944 his cup dippeth too far into the well of 'tism.

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

@@zahubshahid7944 He was trying so hard to impress everyone with his contrarianism, his over analysis, and his fake rage

@ag_abdulaziz7153

3 ай бұрын

​@zahubshahid7944 nah come on, he is fine here. Maybe too loud at times but fine most of the time.

I have a kazoo

1:10 Mauler was speaking the truth right there. He just didn't knew it yet.

I expected Joel to die in some capacity in TLOU2. I expected to largely play as Ellie I did not expect that in the first scene Joel would give his REAL NAME to an armed group of military aged people he's outnumbered by in a cabin in a snowstorm It wasn't believable. He knew how to survive in this world. He killed Marlene saying "you'll just come after me." He massacred Fireflies. Fireflies knew his name. He'd never again just be willy nilly throwing that out to strangers

I'm not fine with Joel dying 😢

You know, something finally clicked in my head. There’s a new variety of consumer that you see around properties based on existing franchises and when those franchises get a terrible entry you’ll see them pop up. The excuser; a person who will try and excuse everything wrong or bad about something even if their arguments make no logical sense. They will try and explain why plot holes aren’t plot holes, why bad character writing actually make perfect sense and how the problem is actually you and not the product. Like here, Cosmo trying to gaslight his audience into thinking Joel was not a liked character whilst then contradicting himself by saying “you’re only mad because Joel died”.

So in the book Halo First Strike, which was the third Halo book that details the events between Halo 1 and 2. A similar moral dilemma is presented as to the one with Ellie. They explain the SGT. Johnson is immune to the flood. I can't remember exactly why but this was there way to explain how he survived the first game. They bring up the idea that they could use him to potentially make a immunity to the flood. This is very quickly dropped since the procedure would kill him and they reason that, one man immune to the flood is more useful than killing him for a billionth of a chance to create a immunity. I don't even think they ask him. They come to that conclusion on there own. That was just a small plot point in a book, and the characters who are even doctors handled it better than the Fireflies in TLOU.

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

The UNSC in the Halo show would’ve killed Johnson, since they’ve all been reduced to generic government bad guys now

27:22 Ah yes Maulers famous TLOU2 video. Remember watching it

@tanner201x8

3 ай бұрын

You’re being sarcastic right?

The worst arguments are the petty ones. They ensure nobody will ever respect you or your opinions.

Anita Sarkisian - "oh Neal they keep making fun of my wedding bday party" 😢 Neal druckmann - "it's ok, they laughed at us 2"

I got called an "edgelord angry about a game that came out years ago." 😂 Doesn't change the fact that the games still garbage.

@seafoam6119

3 ай бұрын

They’ll insult you but they won’t defend the game.

Joel made a choice that even the players themselves did not agree with, even if they had understood it. We saw him losing his daughter and make some of the hardest choices in the game. Hell, why else make his death so graphic, IF NOT to tug the heartstrings of the players??? Joel's appearance in LOU2 trailer was met with applause. This is an awful argument

How cosmonaut can keep pumping out bad take after bad take like a factory is fucking beyond me. The public education system failed us, clearly there was at least one child left behind.

Cosmononaut: "Joel was never a beloved character." I don't know what definition you are using, Marcus, but whatever it is you did not use it right. When the company who published the game basically says your take is cap by showing joel on promotional material, surveys on which character people liked the most, and killed him off in this game as part of the emotional gutpunch of this entire sequel, you need to stop capping and start coping.

Cosmonaut seems like a real space cadet.

Imagine if Lee Everett of the Walking Dead game had the same treatment as Joel and Luke Skywalker. Beloved and iconic characters who get discarded to make space for the writer(s) new favourites. It’s come up in a recent highlight, but it definitely bears repeating: The Last of Us II is The Last Jedi of video games. Same treatment of a protagonist and the shills come out with their manipulative arguments to defend them.

@Willie_Pete_Was_Here

3 ай бұрын

It’s after posting this comment that I realized how good of a comparison The Walking Dead (Season 1) is, so I’m going to talk about it! While I’m sure that there were people who were upset that Lee died, the game handled it extremely well, so you can’t argue the writers made the wrong choice there. At the end of Episode 4, Lee is at his lowest point since the beginning of the game when he was being transported to prison. This time, however, he resolves to do everything he can in the limited time he has left. He will rescue Clementine, with or without his allies. This culminates in one of the most - if not the most - iconic moments in the game: Lee fighting through the horde of walkers to reach The Marsh House. It’s a powerful moment not just because of the scale, but also what’s behind this moment. This is the extent of Lee’s resolve. Lee succeeds in fighting through the horde, and not only saves Clementin, he also is rewarded with knowledge. It’s an example of the trope where those who resolve to take risks like this, or face their fears, are rewarded. In this case, he discovers that the walking dead won’t notice the living if they carry the scent of the walking dead, by being covered in their blood. It’s information that Clementine passes on in Season 2 as well. People would be fine with Joel dying if you executed it in a similar way. Perhaps then, TLOU 2 would be beloved just like how the first game was. But as we’ve seen, the writers weren’t able to do it.

bruh that close up on the "vain, pompous, piece of shit" xDD

This just reminded me that we never got to see the massives rip apart Cosmonaut's "review" of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, they went all the way through Browntable, HiTop and Schaffrilas but left at the best part lmao Which To be fair, that stream was like 11 hours long so I don't blame them

This is just someone who fell to into the “Joel made the wrong choice” not realising that’s the beauty of the first game’s story and why Part 2 shouldn’t exist, when I was a teen I was in the boat he made the wrong choice but now I’m an adult I understand and think the moral ambiguity around the choice is what makes the games ending perfect If Joel wasn’t beloved no one would care that went out like a chump the fact people were so angry proves he was

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

No, you were smarter back then. He was undoubtedly in the wrong in the first game, there is no moral ambiguity. He is beloved because people lost their minds over him, pretending that there is doubt over whether the vaccine could be produced, like EFAP does, and so on. They live in a land of fan fiction and fantasy. I liked him, which is why I hated the ending and also thought it couldn't have a sequel now that the world is doomed for his selfishness.

@alphana7055

3 ай бұрын

​@@ArphemiusDoomed? They have gated liberal communities with LGBT bs😂, they are doing fine.

I miss Southpaw. Nobody's brought up _Spider-Man 2_ on EFAP for a _while._

@zohzie

3 ай бұрын

No one else does

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

Southpaw’s too busy trying to prove Batman the animated series is the new worst thing ever these days

@theabsolutetrashman3708

3 ай бұрын

​@@ManHamAlsumeHe's also busy shitting up a completely unrelated podcast with his presence, a shame since they're apparently ripping into Clone Wars currently

@ManHamAlsume

3 ай бұрын

@@theabsolutetrashman3708 Of course he is, because popular thing=bad

Any reason Evan Monroe isn’t linked in the description? I understand why Southpaw isn’t.

This is from a Cosmonaut video? I'm shocked.

Video starts, remember southpaw was on this episode, open wrists

Cosmonaut suffers from something I like to call First Draft Syndrome.

"Joel is not a beloved character." I want to make it *abundantly* clear that Cosmo made this video, with full knowledge of that video that went viral of that asian guy, who barely spoke english, taking TLOU2 out of his playstation and destroying the disk live on stream -- because Joel reminded him of his father (who tragically passed away), and that TLOU helped him get over the deep depression he was due to the loss of his father, because Joel was such a likable, believable father. Japan has a NOTORIOUSLY shit mental health institution, it's very likely this kid would have been saddled with that depression well into his late adulthood, if it weren't for the tight character work done with Joel in the first game resonating so deeply with him. Please understand, what Cosmo said isn't just *factually* wrong, it's not *just* hypocritical of him given his *other* points, but it was a statement he *knew* wasn't true! He *knew* Joel had affected someone's life in a positive manner, and he was still more than happy to trivialize their feelings just to push a narrative *HE COULDNT EVEN COMMIT TO* Remember that. Remember that Cosmo *doesnt* make these arguments *just* because he's an idiot, but also because he just doesnt give a shit about people.

Now I really want Mauler to watch the TNG episode "measure of a man" it deals with a lot of the issues they discussed in this section, and I think he would find it interesting.

The height of Cosmo's stupidity cannot be reached by normal people. Like you have to seriously try to make points as bad as he did. Not a beloved character my ass

Damn i just got back to this episode in my rewatch of all of EFAP.

Honestly the fact that the fireflies planned to execute Joel, for seemingly no reason (i suspect its so he wouldnt blab about the fireflies having a potential cure), really speaks to the moral character of the fireflies. They arent altruisitic. And marlene when asked to give the go ahead to kill ellie, her reasoning boiled down to being tired of the world, and thus desparate for something to change. And its quite clear in the first game that ellie never agreed to the surgery. Marlene would've mentioned it to joel, or in her audio log. Joel aint a saint, but i dislike how people paint the fireflies as these benevolent altruistic people when they arent.

@ozyrysozi6186

3 ай бұрын

Fireflies are painted as hope - they give hope to some people, sell the "greater good" that they fight for. In part I many people talk about Fireflies, what they fight for, what they represent, they just work on legend about them, myth that has been build around their activity. But in reality they are just people, another group fighting for themselves, using good PR they got to recruit more people. If I remember correctly first scene we hear and see actions of Fireflies - from one of perspectives we can call them terrorists, they deal with bad people to gain strenght (one of the weapons dealer at the beggining and first scene with Marlene). At the end when Joel and Ellie finally reach Fireflies - it's just reality check, they don't work with some benevolent people who fight for humanity as they wanted to kill Joel on sight - if I remember correctly Marlene orders her people to not kill Joel at first and I would argue she was selfish there - wanted to hear Joel agree with her on killing Ellie. That's why she wouldn't ask Ellie, she BELIEVES she knows what Ellie wants and if Ellie would say "no", then her view would be shattered. She needs Ellie to agree to make Marlene decision valid. And by how they treat Joel - they don't care about people, only people that could help them or they can use, like arms dealer - he was usefull, who cares if he is good or bad. Sorry for long message, but I just think many people felt for myth of Fireflies like people who just heard about them - they needed hope and Fireflies used it to create ther PR as only hope for humanity, good guys fighting bad people who oppress them, but in reality they were another oppressors, just different kind.

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

They didn't plan to execute Joel. They did plan to save the world, which is about as altruistic as it is theoretically possible to get.

@ozyrysozi6186

3 ай бұрын

@@Arphemius If I remember correctly Marlene told Joel that she stopped her people from killing Joel on sight when he got to them with Ellie. Also - looking at how they treated Joel, they would have no problem with killing him, he doesn't belong to them and he is also very dangerous if he got to travel so far. They say they want to save the world, but how? How they want to achieve that? Why they act like pretty much terrorists fighting wiht another faction while using anything they can to get an edge? They aren't altruistic, they are more opportunistic, you can't call them good guys in this story.

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

@@ozyrysozi6186 Only because he looks like a threat, not because they had orders to specifically kill Joel; it was an off-hand comment, also to show that she is his friend, that she saved his life and to make it even more clear that he is evil when he murders her at the end. Fireflies will save the world by producing a vaccine that will stop people from turning, they will stop the apocalypse. EFAP's fan fiction that there is any doubt about this is only a delusion of theirs that is not based on reality; not a single line of dialogue in the game supports that. The Fireflies' behavior otherwise is of no concern.

@theliato3809

3 ай бұрын

@@Arphemius Shes too risky with a potential benefit to humanity.

Cosmonaut's condescendingly confident tone when he said "Joel is not a fucking beloved character" is so incredibly annoying because that statement is such an absolute lie but he's saying it as if he's correct and you're stupid for thinking otherwise.

Remember in the UK TLOU2 was beat by a 3 year old 3DS final fantasy spinoff.

I will say that Cosmonaut does have some legitimately good takes on things, every Blue Moon or so. This, however, was not one of them.

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

It just differ from time to time, like his infamous "STFU, IT AN MOVIE ABOUT SPACE WIZARD" yet goes against that very same logic with his rebel rant - cause of the lightsaber helicopter, it dumb but like he said, it an movie about space wizard -

@thorntonwager6750

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. The fact that he’s just a neckbearded hipster turns me off of his channel. He called Tim Burton a racist and I have no idea where he got that.

@lulukomadori9651

3 ай бұрын

@@thorntonwager6750 it literally cause his movies are only focus on whites, yet he love his arts so ???? again, he confusing, he make good takes like u said but when he defend the controversy ones, then it really shows the cracks

@Zac_Frost

3 ай бұрын

@@lulukomadori9651 Yeah. His videos about why anime-to-live action adaptations almost universally suck, why D&D is such a good game that literally anyone can get into if they want to, and why the FGC (Fighting Game Community) is so inherently interesting are _really_ good videos, though. You can tell he's actually passionate and really knowledgeable about what he's talking about in them. I'll give him that lol.

@generalkenobi066

3 ай бұрын

​@@Zac_Frost Which makes it more annoying when he has dumb and inconsistant takes like this one

Don bless the EFAP highlights channel. When we getting a convention?

Funniest part about is that it doesn't matter. Joel could be the most hated man in the series and people will still think he was wronged. It's just a claim that the controversy surrounding his death is all emotionally charged. It is, but it doesn't refute the point. Abby did both Ellie and Joel a great wrong. And Abby gets away with it while everyone else in her life had to suffer the consequences of her vendetta. There's no acknowledgement of her part in the cycle of needless violence. What's the message, then? That Joel needed to die and Ellie to not do anything to avenge him? All while Abby can live the rest of her life all peaches and cream, as if Joel's death can ever bring her own father back? The writing is confused.

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

Joel did need to die because he is evil and what he did was monstrous. Abby gets to live because bringing him to justice wasn't wrong. Ellie should never have gone on that revenge trip in the first place.

I am not sure Cosmonaut read the TVtropes page for the first game much less played it. Hell all I did was read the TVTropes page for it and I feel I have a better grasp on the first game than he does.

They all should have had variations of Fat Geralt punching for their PFPs for this like the Modak stream

I've been away from the community for a little while, so maybe you've shown up more. But it's great to hear you wolf, I hope you're doing well

See real writers are super concerned when killing off any character because for some writers it will feel like its cutting a limb off. A dead character can only serve to push other characters. You can't develop them anymore, you can't have interesting dialogue between new interactions and so on. Yes at times killing off a certain character is a good thing as it will drive another character to some arc or motivation. In this case giving Ellie a revenge motivation is fine but they kind of mess it up by trying to make you sympathise with his killer and than not giving the option at the end to kill her. What is the point of a video game if you can't give your audience a choice. A film, book and so on can't do that but this game could have easily had two different endings. They set quite the impossible task of trying to force people to fall in love with the killer of a character that people were deeply to. When killing off a character it is important to give them a send off that respects the character in some sense. For example Mufasa dies after saving his son. Boromir goes out like a hero at the end, trying to make up for his mistakes and protecting the lives of the people he's been protecting. Brutal deaths can hugely turn off the audience and should be avoided unless you know what you're doing.

Also, can anyone point to a vaccination that would work on fungal infections?

"Wouldn't it suck, playing a game where the protagonist sucks?!" Me, thinking about Forspoken. Yeahhhhh, probably.

Wolf adding a bonk sound to the golf scene. What did Fringy mean by this?

''My life would've fucking mattered!'' - Ellie ''''Would've mattered?'' It *does* matter!'' - Joel if he was an actual character still

If Cosmo ever tried being correct Lewis would send Joel to visit him. So to be fair, Cosmo is just pretending bad takes are his only joy. Oh, so you did not buy that? How about Cosmo's theories have so many holes Veb is getting turned on?

Im actually soo happy southpaw is gone.

Cosmonaut has delivered some.... pretty bad takes, lol. You can't play the first game and not get attached to Joel.

I recognize that song at the end, it’s last stop by white bat audio.

Man this efap was frustrating. Thank goodness downward thrust came in clutch with that wonderful sandwich.

It's taken 3 years, but I think I kind of understand where the wires got crossed in Cosmonaut's brain here. The reason he said this is because he's conflated being beloved in universe and in real life. Winnie the Pooh is beloved by his friends in the hundred acre wood, but in real life he's mostly seen as a somewhat boring but mostly fine character. Joel is beloved by people who played TLoU, but in game he'd be regarded as just another ruthless guy who'll do whatever it takes to survive. Whether he did that on purpose just to push his point, or he just puts that little thought into what he says, however, is anyone's guess.

Winnie the Pooh is extremely selfish and schemy. He’ll do anything for honey, be it barge in on Rabbit’s lunch or go to war with bees. He can also be fairly apathetic toward the feelings of others. But still, he is considered beloved and adorable.

No, we were mad HOW Joel died!

A mighty thin strawman he constructed to beat on.

I’ve never had the opportunity to play TLOU, but I compare what happened to Joel to any other fan favorite character from franchises that I know. I understand why people were pissed at the TLOU2 writers for killing him off. It’s similar to characters like Luke Skywalker and how they were treated in newer games, movies, etc. I’d be pissed too if I was invested in TLOU and they killed off the guy I’d played as for an entire game because of incompetence.

@gravesidepoet5405

3 ай бұрын

Mmmmmm not quite. We got time with Luke. A lot of time. Books. Games. Movies. Joel was in one game.

@zetastreaker47

3 ай бұрын

@@gravesidepoet5405 I was implying that both Joel and Luke are beloved by many and that they were mishandled in later entries in their respective franchises.

@Arphemius

3 ай бұрын

Luke Skywalker was a hero, Joel is a speciecidal monster. It's more like being pissed at the Emperor being killed off because you really, really believe the fan theory that the rebels were the bad guys all along, the destruction of the first death star was the Empire's 9/11 and so on.

@drpepper4761

3 ай бұрын

@@Arphemius Bait used to be believable

Cosmonaut: so many people are mad because they killed off a character that's not even beloved, look how silly that is. I just love Schrodinger's character, he can't be beloved but at the same time have a bunch of people upset 😅😅

The disconnect between what Cosmonaut says a beloved character is and how he describes Joel to attempt to debunk him as a beloved character suggests to me that he doesn't know what it means for a character to be beloved and how they get to that point.

You know if she's alive, that increases the chance she can one day encounter a doctor who knows what the fuck he's doing.

"This isn't a place where Winnie the Pooh would thrive" is an excellent judge of how violent a video game world is, love that 😂 On a scale of 1-10 how well would Pooh thrive here?