In layman’s terms he said: “you can’t make a Lamborghini from a tornado going through a junk yard even if it is swirling in there for 100 trillion years.”

@oneconcerned

9 ай бұрын

domcruise274, you're so right!!! Here's my take on the subject. "Does it make sense to believe in God?" - kzread.info/dash/bejne/kamBzcShgKewkdY.html.

@nickd8719

9 ай бұрын

Brilliantly put point, and is that due to the totally chaotic nature of the driving system ( the 🌪 tornado) I would think that if you had a monkey typing for close to infinite time he might type some Shakespeare, but then I would argue that system is less chaotic to start with than a tornado. For a start you have a typewriter and an already farely sophisticated life form

@domcruise274

9 ай бұрын

@@nickd8719 True, also would be more equivalent if none of the car parts weren’t put together yet, even if the entire world was an auto scrap yard and there where 10 million hurricanes, a sports car would never be built

@max_mittler

9 ай бұрын

That’s not at all how anyone proposes that evolution works. It was never a bunch of random parts coming together like the watchmakers argument. Every living thing on this earth has been crafted through millions of trials and errors, from its most simplest possible base form upward, over several billion years. So to use your analogy, ***if a spark plug was able to self replicate, self-transform, self-assemble, and learn from mistakes and successes, then yes, a spark plug could turn into a Lamborghini in 4 billion years ***edit: Okay I'm editing it. This used to say "if you taught a spark plug" but I changed it to "if a spark plug was able to", because atoms and molecules are able to form complex structures by their very nature, and there is no evidence to the contrary.

@nate78824

9 ай бұрын

Nature is chaotic and random; incapable of producing a complex process of evolved life.

This is how you run an interview; invite people on that you probably disagree with, and give them time to explain their position. This is why JRE is in the position it now is. 👏👏

@harpo345

9 ай бұрын

And then ask simple, probing questions.

@jc-kj2on

9 ай бұрын

You right however joe is incapable of doing this with a conservative unless he feels threatened by their intelligence. Im not even a conservative but ive noticed a pattern with joe and this type of guest. Unfortunately i think it really boils down to trying to earn brownie points with the lefts machine. I know it sounds silly but sometimes people are.

@johnhough7738

9 ай бұрын

I couldn't do Joe's job ... I'd be too tempted to tell the nutcases to get away from their programming and try thinking for themselves just this once, if never again.

@steveg1961

9 ай бұрын

I agree with "wesleycardinal" here. Stephen Meyer is a creationism pseudoscience huckster, and goes around continuously promoting his religion-based pseudoscience claims which have been debunked thoroughly and repeatedly for decades - but unlike a lot of his critics, I appreciate it when people like Rogan give interviews like this and let them speak, precisely so we can witness the bogus arguments they use right out of their own mouths. Of course, it would be even better if Rogan were to also interview a professional philosopher and/or a professional scientist who is familiar with the kinds of arguments creationist pseudoscience promoters such as Meyer make, and present them with direct clips of Meyer's statements and have them discuss exactly why those statements are so off-base.

@warrenrae32

9 ай бұрын

@@steveg1961 Can you give some specific examples of the claims of Stephen Meyers that have been debunked that expose him as a Pseudoscience huckster?

As a programmer I must say that if you randomly change any code, there's a 99.99% chance it breaks, not just degrades. There's no way you can improve any code by randomly typing stuff in random places. The remaining 0.01% chance can't improve anything, your code will still run, but it will have errors like typos and miscalculations

@mobmob145

2 ай бұрын

Good thing that's not how evolution works❤

@MrInfernollama

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@mobmob145you know I would agree with you but putting the heart emoji at the end just screams “I’m an insufferable person who likes belittling others cuz then I feel real good” and I can’t get behind that ❤

@jeffreysevinga9398

Ай бұрын

Not enough time for evolution to work. The new and latest theory is we probably came from aliens. Science will show the truth and probably none of us will have expected it to be like it is. Evolution or no evolution does it really matter? Changes nothing about how you or me live day to day.

@leebruno1722

Ай бұрын

@@mobmob145that’s exactly how evolution works… random mutation + selective pressure + time

@taavit20

Ай бұрын

But if you have enough time you will be in a situation where randomly changed code doesn’t break down the whole program.

I love how Joe doesn't constantly interrupt his guests and try to dispute their viewpoint, or turn it around to make it sound like they're saying something entirely different.

@jonp3890

3 ай бұрын

“So, what you’re saying is”…

@stevenleemoney40

3 ай бұрын

He respects them and still lets them explain their opinions without saying anything stupid or siding on one side.

@stevenleemoney40

3 ай бұрын

@@jonp3890don’t be Mr smart guy

@onlinesol

3 ай бұрын

He has that capacity to zoom out and then right back in, almost instantly.

@scott1696

3 ай бұрын

He has no clue wtf he is saying clearly.

"let me run a couple of arguments by you and see what you think, ok?" wow what brilliant way to have a real conversation!

@jasonbarkman

9 ай бұрын

I agree. Unfortunately in this instance the argument was nonsensical

@jmac6973

9 ай бұрын

@@jasonbarkman lol ‘nonsensical’ is a bit of an overstatement.

@olisk-jy9rz

9 ай бұрын

@@jasonbarkman It's only nonsensical if you didn't understand it.

@bobsmith-ji2uh

9 ай бұрын

@@jasonbarkman it’s good to keep an open mind though. This maybe nonsensical. I really have no idea of knowing but I think about something like the big bang. Physicists really resisted that idea, even Einstein because the conventional wisdom was the universe was eternal. It’s probably not a good thing for scientists to be to dogmatic.

@ArnoldsDesign

9 ай бұрын

@@jasonbarkman If one understands the massive complexity required to even create a single cell out of random molecules, it doesn't appear to be nonsensical at all. The probabilities of that happening go far beyond what is possible, i.e. 1x10ˆ50. It's actually well over 1x10ˆ1000. The Stanley Miller experiment doesn't even scratch the surface.

“Time was always the hero of the plot.” Truer words were never spoken.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

26 күн бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@Troublechutor

20 күн бұрын

Rhetoric done right

@YankeeStacking

20 күн бұрын

Indeed! One of my favorite sound bites in the interview.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

14 күн бұрын

@@Troublechutor WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

14 күн бұрын

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. @@YankeeStacking

What makes Joe Rogan such an interesting interviewer? I think it’s two things: CURIOSITY and HUMILITY. He asks the interesting questions that are floating around in his viewers’ heads and then he lets the other person speak so that we can hear that other side. it’s very mentally stimulating. I always come away having felt like I learned something new. Maybe that’s a THIRD reason for Rogan’s success.

@WexfordOnYoutube

2 ай бұрын

No one ASKED.

@didotbasmayor

2 ай бұрын

​sounds like a jealous guy

Hard to follow him here but I read the book Darwin's Doubt by this guy back in the day and that was really good. What he's saying about digital code vs molecular code is spot on, anyone in programming will understand how true it is instantly. It's pretty crazy that the most advanced nanomachinery possible using some of the most advanced software & firmware has already been built - it's us.

@mcmanustony

4 ай бұрын

“DNA code” is shorthand- a metaphor. Meyer’s schtick is “codes must be written, So DNA was written therefore ….Jesus!!” DNA is a molecule

@Pikkabuu

4 ай бұрын

It isn't hard to follow Meyer as his whole shtick is "We don't know this so God did it". He just words it differently so that someone might think that he is intelligent and not just another creationist snakeoil salesman.

@tellaaalli

4 ай бұрын

I write code everyday; there are two possibilities - My actual "thinking" process is random therefore the code I write is random. - My actual "thinking" process is logical therefore accredited to the author. The conclusion Myer's comes to and argues is not earth shattering, the issue for many is objective acceptance something they will never do logically.

@harrymills2770

4 ай бұрын

@@Pikkabuu There's so much we don't know, that concluding God/not-God are equally faith-based choices.

@Pikkabuu

4 ай бұрын

@@harrymills2770 No. God of the gaps argument has so far had a 0% success rate. Every time people say that "God did it" but then our understanding increases and we see that it wasn't a deity who did it. For example once people thought that the Sun was lifted onto a chariot and then the god Ra raced the chariot across the sky. I'm sure that you now know why the Sun moves across the sky and it isn't because of Ra and his chariot. So no. Not falling for the God of the gaps argument takes no faith at all as saying "we don't know" demands zero faith.

I'm old enough to remember when intelligent people were expected to behave this way; and most of them did. No vituperation. No invectives. They ran their arguments past people and saw what they thought of them. We live now with a couple of generations who were taught that anything they said was simply brilliant, that they themselves were brilliant, and that no one had the right to assail either of those brilliances in any way...ever. That "self esteem centric" education has produced at least two generations of dangerously fragile egos and incredibly brittle intellects.

@ryucartel351

9 ай бұрын

They haven't been given any good perspective on or ability to attribute any sort of objective meaning and value to things. Everything is subjective, whatever feels good, is good. "If I have an idea, it's a good idea because I had it". They can't understand that "equality" does not exist in nature, which we are a part of. There are many ideas, yes, but some are of much greater value and meaning than others. Many Greek philosophers understood this, that there are some great ideas, and there are also many very small ideas.

@incaroads001

8 ай бұрын

@@ryucartel351 subjective is a great word. They're all in possession of moral compasses with needles that point in whatever direction they happen to be facing.

@kajeralocse

8 ай бұрын

I have lived long enough to say that you hit the nail right on its damn head.

@kylebushnell2601

8 ай бұрын

You can say one Gen. But putting millennials in that category is beyond a mistake and perhaps extremely bias of Gen x or whatever you fal Into.

@incaroads001

8 ай бұрын

@@kylebushnell2601 interesting observations. I thank you for them, and will consider what you have said.

The idea of God is the only subject Rogan is close minded on.

@john-wu2zb

9 ай бұрын

Are you open minded to the idea that God may not be the same entity that is described in your particular scriptures?

@johnnybgood7442

9 ай бұрын

He's not closed minded. He simply rejects the idea until sufficient evidence is presented, which is how everyone should operate imo.

@Iambecome

9 ай бұрын

He said he's open to the possibility. How is that close minded? Psychological projection

@GraceH81

9 ай бұрын

​@@john-wu2zbSuch a great question!

@stevenbasham

9 ай бұрын

@@Iambecome I wouldn’t say he’s close minded. You have to remember he invites these people and conversations to his podcast. If he was close minded he would just shun them.

Thanks, going to Spotify to listen to the whole interview!

@charlesmcnally2956

2 ай бұрын

Ides of March . Tides Of March. 2037 Ides of marchTIdal waves east and west destroy the USA. Dont cross your T and dot your i. Scott McNally Facebook

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

Best videos with Stephen Meyer, whoever don't understand him just see more of his presentations

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

3 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

Intelligent conversation is so engaging and mentally refreshing. Thank you Joe Rogan for being a great host.

@tardischick6629

8 ай бұрын

😆 🤣

@codyreisner3075

8 ай бұрын

You trust fauci too? lol

@mcmanustony

7 ай бұрын

@@codyreisner3075 yes. I don’t trust Meyer as he has a track record of lying his tits off.

@JeffreyGoddin

6 ай бұрын

Rogan invites controversial idiots to spew diatribe, then sits back and throws them the questions they want to answer. The way to run an interview? Not if you have an honestly enquiring mind. Buddy I'm attempting to rehabilitate made me watch this, this interview sucks.

@dannyellis971

5 ай бұрын

Where was the intelligent conversation? This guy is rambling absolute rubbish. He is not all there.

JUST watched the whole video. Still waiting for the part where Rogan says, "This is what really sold me on God.".

@lynnslife93

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, the way the video is titled is clickbait

@Miss_an100

4 ай бұрын

Big time lame. Hate channels like this. What a waste of time.

@jakeclark9

3 ай бұрын

Fr

@SavedbyGraceAlone1962

3 ай бұрын

@@jakeclark9 Fr?

@andreaa160

3 ай бұрын

At least I enjoyed the content

The designer of the world and the observer that creates a correspondence between the two was actually very interesting way of solving that argument loop thing. Touche

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

26 күн бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

Some unseen energy seems to support Joe Rogan and the JRE podcast. I am grateful for this! 🙏

@Yet333

2 ай бұрын

🙄🤖

Really respect Joe as an interviewer. Has such interesting conversations!

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

26 күн бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

Joe Rogan is truly amazing for his ability to stay on point in the conversation and interject a meaningful point of view, without defending it.

@jimshu245

9 ай бұрын

That all life is decended from a rock?

@envisioncodes5251

9 ай бұрын

Joe made no sense. You can tell the way John looked at him kinda like oh your serious? Ok let me school you and explain why what you think about evolution is not possible… lol

@hazynpeterson4083

9 ай бұрын

@@envisioncodes5251 hahaha...nice try

@jimshu245

9 ай бұрын

@joemaxwell6826 Is it a "strawman "? The Darwinian evolutionists are basically saying life came from innate non-living elements. "Rocks" are just a funny analogy of an absurd premise.

@jimshu245

9 ай бұрын

@joemaxwell6826 Yeah right genius. My original comment about "rocks" was about abiogenesis. You are the one who can't read!

Meyers Arguments boil down to: sure, you can add 1 to a number to change it, eg 1+1=2, and you can repeat that until you reach 4 or 5. But 1000? No, that requires an intelligent number designer.

I was here for more details on the thumbnail photo and would love to know where I can watch the full episode

Meyer is an absolute gem! Good on Rogan for inviting him on!

@andrewfrank7222

9 ай бұрын

How so? He is another credentialed apologist spewing the same lies.

@briankenyon1543

9 ай бұрын

​@@andrewfrank7222exactly! Same old theist- scientific analysis. "We don't have answers for this..... Or that... And the old science has holes (FKN duh) and the new science still isn't complete.... So.... Um..... God. Weak christian men, still uncomfortable with nature continually outwitting them!😂👍

@thetruth-rb5lm

9 ай бұрын

Jesus is more real than anything you have ever experienced. He loves you and wants you to know him. Do your pride and ask him to reveal himself to you and he will

@RobertM55533

9 ай бұрын

Oh, look, another two shallow thinking materialists...you people are so predictable and cheap and arrogant in your thinking. You wouldn't recognize a wise thought if it hit you with an f'ing truck. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

@briankenyon1543

9 ай бұрын

@@thetruth-rb5lm delusion

I've always been fascinated by Stephen Meyer. He's such a smart guy and his theories are so well thought out and buttressed that it can get overwhelming. He's not a guy who's going to scream at you to convince yu of anything; in fact, his entire goal is not to convince but just to get his theories heard.

@oddriseraps8476

9 ай бұрын

Dr Stephen Meyer

@planes3333

9 ай бұрын

it should be the curriculum in schools, instead I find myself pretty much almost despising my christian friends who buy into macro evolution and Darwinism.........

@coptimal

9 ай бұрын

@@planes3333 How do you distinguish chemical from biological evolution Planes? Do you lump them together or separate them?

@planes3333

9 ай бұрын

How does a flegellum motor evolve, LOL evolution falls right apart, @@coptimal

@booberry6715

8 ай бұрын

@@planes3333I too have the DVD from about 20 years ago. ;) I never forgot about the flagellar shaft, bushing, bearings, etc. Great stuff!

i don't agree with the details of the arguments , but I do enjoy listening to someone calmly and intelligently discussing the topic

@piterpraker3399

4 ай бұрын

There are plenty of ways to reframe such arguments - what would you suppose he do differently?

@noobmaster006

12 күн бұрын

​@@piterpraker3399he wants him to say God doesn't exist

Non-biotics arranging themselves to make the first cell is a misrepresentation of the going theory for the arrival of the first cells. The foremost issue is replication, which we know certain molecules do in environments containing the neccesary material. Much is left to figure out, but from there it involves pre-cellular architectures, and selective pressures acting on the earliest architectures which were at that time undifferentiated between the structure itself and the code (the code was the structure), or something like this. The cell being the first stage is a gross misrepresentation.

Great clip. Gonna have to find the whole interview. Joe, that is the way to do an interview.

At least Joe had Stephen on...that's really something, I don't even think Rogan would've had this guy on five years ago...JRE never disappoints interjecting mushrooms, DMT and UFO's

@josteincarlsen2905

9 ай бұрын

@@X-4-2-TVyou are crazy

@SJ-xy5md

9 ай бұрын

Yeah Rogan doesn't have a problem with discussing the things that don't make sense

@skdfdjkdfjkd

9 ай бұрын

@@X-4-2-TV Watch pingtrip, Joe actually kills all his guest in the end of the show.

@BuffaloWill

9 ай бұрын

Yeah the interjecting mushrooms was a lil cringe

@sandrakafri4777

9 ай бұрын

Yeah pretty ridiculous, JR looked small with his questions

I really enjoyed this interview. I like that Joe doesn't interrupt, and there is no fighting. Just 2 people having an open discussion.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 күн бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

"Explanatory deficits." I love it.

A Scientist, working over 40 years, finally made a human life out of dust in a laboratory. He ran outside and screamed up at the sky "You see that God! Now that I have created human life out of dust, we no longer have any need of you!!!!" God looking down, quite amused said "Oh really?" "Yes really," the scientist exclaimed, "I will show you how I did it." "Oh, I can't wait to see this" God replied, leaning in for a closer look. The scientist then reached down to gather a handful of dust from the ground when God interrupted "Whoah whoah whoah, use your own dust."

@LiquidKaos1911

5 ай бұрын

lovelight this!!

@kjhlkyu

4 ай бұрын

That's just the god of the gaps argument again. "Who made the dust?" So, it's a Big Bang, origins of the universe issue; hence GOTG.

@user-br6ve4lz6n

16 күн бұрын

@@kjhlkyu Right...so who kicked off the big bang? It couldn't have been another big bang (ad infinitum) because then 'now' could have never arrived. So it must have been something outside of space and outside of time. Such a thing would need or lack nothing....i.e. God...

@noobmaster006

12 күн бұрын

@kjhlkyu i think u need open books and learn what god of the gaps argument actually is

This was one of the best Rogan podcasts in a looooooong time.

@redpill589

3 ай бұрын

Agreed because this podcast sucks

@slappymcbutterballs7326

3 ай бұрын

@@redpill589 sometimes, yeah.

@bluestudio67

3 ай бұрын

​@redpill589 it's difficult to think that the number one podcast in the world - the one with Nobel prize-winning scientists, world leaders and politicians, legendary superstars from bands like Pink Floyd, medical researchers and brilliant engineers - sucks, just because you say so. Usually, only far left extremist hooligans hate his podcast. So why do you? I'm genuinely curious.

@redpill589

3 ай бұрын

@@bluestudio67 I’m definitely not a leftist I’m voting for Trump. I don’t like the bullshit they spew on these podcast

@bluestudio67

2 ай бұрын

@redpill589 anything in particular? Or just stuff in general?

Listen to all voices, even the ones you don’t agree with. It helps form consensus.

As soon as he said "I believe in micro-evolution... but skeptical of universal common descent..." my brain blocked him. Micro evolution on a large time scale is macro evolution. We can also show this common ancestry through genetics. And then he goes on about "If you want to create a new type of organism, you need all these things" - it's like he is just poofing the creature into existence, ignoring the fact that every creature on this planet shares a very simple, common ancestor, in which all these parts developed over a very, very, very long time. He just keeps breaking this process in his mind and he cant' square it. He's not thinking clearly.

Joe Rogan bringing incredible people on and asking just the right questions to get to really core issues that people with an agenda gloss over. Love this.

@aceboogisback9946

9 ай бұрын

You're giving him way too much credit

@gametime2473

9 ай бұрын

I agree if by incredible, you mean in (opposite of) and credible (convincing).

@zotan

9 ай бұрын

but his questions aren't informed as he is not equipped to challenge this creationist's assertions about the claims he makes about evolution. asking "why do you think that?" is great as a first question but then it would be even better to be able to say "why do your claims fly in the face of MOUNTAINS of evidence that has been collected from all around the planet and studied by many many thousands of people also from all over the planet?" How does the fact that countless experimental and observational studies validate and expand upon our knowledge of how evolution works not change your view of how our world works? Because...god? What's wrong with having someone interview this guy who is at least familiar with the claims he's made and is making and who is familiar enough with the field of study to be able to ask an informed question as a followup? That isn't stifling anyone free speech,, it's giving them an opportunity to expand upon their claims. It also gives us as a viewer the opportunity to think, to also question what these so-called experts say. And by so-called experts in this case I am referring to the guest of course, the guy who some are defending because he has a degree in Philosophical Science which, did he get that degree online? He's not an expert in anything outside of creationism or intelligent design which are one and the same no matter how the fundamentalists try to say they're not.

@cygnusustus

9 ай бұрын

Joe Rogan failing to educate himself before interviews.

@jx4219

9 ай бұрын

@@gametime2473 +1. The guy is Anti-evolutionist. If he instead said the world is flat i would think no different about his mental state. He's an idiot.

I truly appreciate this guy's mind. S.Meyer is truly, according to me, one of the great thinkers of our time. He's calm way of addressing heated topics- all while explaining it in such a way that can make sense .... conveying it as a form of "layman's term" type statement. Easy even for the common mind to grasp....

@descartes7126

9 ай бұрын

he's a layman at best - a fringe apologist, anti science. You can't be convinced that there is a god and then apply a scientific method since you have already made up your mind that any unanswered issue will be deducted to a god. There is a reason why this dude has no scientific credibility outside of american evangelicals (talibans)

@globalcoupledances

8 ай бұрын

He needs more thinking

@CS.AtheistChannel.VoteBidenAOC

8 ай бұрын

Meyers ideas need way more time in the oven. They are unedible.

@Pikkabuu

5 ай бұрын

How is he a great thinker when he just spouts the usual creationist PRATT's?!

@SpatialandTemporal

5 ай бұрын

This is the problem is that some of the concepts of Darwinian natural selection are counterintuitive and conveying them in layman's terms to people that do not understand the complexities of the arguments make it easy to bamboozle people. It inevitably takes the form of a God of the gaps argument. There's no doubt he has a brilliant mind and seems like a personable guy, but his mind, in reality, is made up already. In my opinion, he's just looking for cracks to shove a God shaped wedge into.

An interview with Stephen Myer was a long time coming for JR.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

14 күн бұрын

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This is Joe Rogans' most intriguing interview

I don't get why Joe Rogan repeatedly says he's not atheist, but constantly fights against the possibility of God.

@ThisIsApollo23

10 ай бұрын

Devils advocate... lol

@jorgealvarado7946

10 ай бұрын

Iron sharpens iron. Tough questions lead to necessary answers. As a Christian, I question Christianity to the point where people think I’m against Christianity, but in truth, I’m just trying to refine ideologies that usually have no origin in the Bible (kinda like Christmas)

@757History

10 ай бұрын

Joe is a professional fence sitter. He's mastered the art of playing both sides of the board thereby earning praise from all sides for having an open mind.

@crapton9002

10 ай бұрын

There are 8k religions and many God's. Who's God is the real God? It's a business that tries to get us to tune into a certain God depending on where one is born. I remain open minded about such matters.

@kylematheny1885

10 ай бұрын

Devils advocate, it makes for good conversation in complex conversations

Joe Rogan AGAIN presents himself as an intelligent host. His guests, his questions and curiosity are revealing him to be not just a fighter, but a great host. Mr. Meyer presented his observation of Darwinism in a way that was enlightening and understandable to the laymen. I will be looking him up and listening to his lectures again. Thanks for the posting. He was very informative and as a matter of fact. Interesting. Thank you.

@Justmekpc

9 ай бұрын

He said schools were putting liter boxes in bathrooms he just repeats whatever bs he hears and doesn’t bother to see if it’s true 😂

@purplepixeleater

9 ай бұрын

@@Justmekpc yet you are here wasting your time xD what a loser ...

@mzbarsk

9 ай бұрын

@@Justmekpckind of how masks or vaccines stop Covid? Because TrUSr the ScIEnce?

@YOUARESOFT.

9 ай бұрын

@@Justmekpc coming from someone who thinks you are born gay.... stay bent bro

@YOUARESOFT.

9 ай бұрын

@chrishenley4179 which makes you basically nothing

The argument at the ending is solid, good point 🙏🏼

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

14 күн бұрын

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Thank God for Joe giving intelligent believers a platform in which to speak freely. More please.

@mcmanustony

3 ай бұрын

who the fuck do you think is censoring Meyer? He is head zealot at a well funded right wing, Christian fundamentalist pressure group. The generate propaganda 24/7 via websites, blogs, radio shows, Jesus TV, broadcasts from mega churches, ludicrous videos polluting KZread etc. everything in fact, except peer reviewed publications in the professional literature of the sciences they abuse. Meyer managed to get, via a crooked crony, an essay into the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. As the review process had been cheated by Sternberg to sneak it in behind the backs of the board of editors, the "paper" was instantly dropped. Why are creationists so fundamentally and relentlessly dishonest?

Mr. Rogan is a highly highly skilled interviewer, in that he rarely if ever, talks over or interrupts his guests. He asks pointed questions out of a genuine desire to understand. It's especially interesting to listen to different perspectives that may not necessarily align with views Mr. Rogan himself espouses, because he DOES give them time to explain their view and is also not afraid to counter with his own preconceived notions. Who's right? Ultimately who cares, because both parties come out having learned something. Bravo, this was awesome. 💜

@oliver0656

9 ай бұрын

Bingo

@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot

9 ай бұрын

You said who cares if somebody is right?Well if he's right and God does exist, and you haven't yet gotten right with Him, then you're in big, big trouble. This is very important. Matter of life and death in fact. Open the Bible and read. You didn't come around by chance. You are special, loved and with a soul. Jesus, the Son of God died for your sins so you could live. You can't repay Him, but you can accept His gift of salvation and eternal life. Repent, believe, change your ways and receive Jesus into your heart! With Him there is truly joy and peace. And you will inherit life in God's eternal kingdom! Wow! Life isn't long ya know. Live it right. And one last thing- you don't have to die to meet Jesus! May God bless you! 😊

@jacksonmorganfroghin4815

8 ай бұрын

​@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alotGreat comment. We owe it to all people to tell them the truth in love, which you did very well. "Christ died for us while we were yet sinners." He didn't wait for us to get our act together. That's exactly what people are hungry to hear! Thank you doing just that!!

@MrCandiB

4 ай бұрын

Piers Morgan has left the chat

@MrCandiB

4 ай бұрын

​@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alotHi, I'm curious as to what you mean by trouble? Because I don't think you can ever be in trouble with God. God's love is unconditional which means God will welcome you home NO MATTER WHAT you've done. You can create all the trouble you want for yourself here but that's entirely up to you...but you can never be in God's bad books. I'd say the worst case scenario is that God misses you.

2:36 Joe was looking like dam I need a joint right now 😂😂😂

One of the best podcast out there. Smart and intelligent people discussing one of the biggest question: what is our purpose

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

3 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

@RicoGamerCZ

2 ай бұрын

Yea, I think we'll pass bro

@bubbaray8000

2 ай бұрын

smart and intelligent? wow

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

@@RicoGamerCZ Please don't ignore , Jesus loves you more than what you know God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

@@bubbaray8000 God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven

“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding.”

“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together...We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.” ― Max Planck; Originator of quantum theory. Notable awards: Nobel Prize in Physics (1918), Foreign Associate of the National Academy of Sciences (1926), Lorentz Medal (1927), Copley Medal (1929), Max Planck Medal (1929), Goethe Prize (1945) “Max Planck was one of the intellectual giants of the 20th century and one of the outstanding intellects of all time,” The New York Times wrote upon his death in October 1947, ranking “with the immortals of science, such as Archimedes, Galileo, Newton, and Einstein.”

@dereksherwood1

9 ай бұрын

ya? well you know that's just like uh your opinion man - Jeffrey Lebowski

@johnvirgilio5323

9 ай бұрын

Scripture was right about the heavens stretching out, having a beginning and the earth hanging on nothing. It also says, He holds it all together by his power and that He spoke it into existence. It seems He holds it together even still with the sound of his word in power. Or that was from the beginning.

@johnvirgilio5323

9 ай бұрын

He "upholds all things by the word of His power." From Hebrews 1:3 Perhaps even the incredible fine tuning for life is encompassed within this. It's all amazing, no doubt. Miraculous really.

@williamwilson6499

9 ай бұрын

Appeal to Authority. A fallacy. Next.

@planes3333

9 ай бұрын

@@johnvirgilio5323 amazing truth amazing grace

He listens and asks smart questions based on what was said, what he himself thinks and what he researched before hand - well done - thats how it should be

@cygnusustus

9 ай бұрын

He listens, but he certainly does not ask smart questions. He clearly does not research before hand. Not how it should be done.

@hahajones

9 ай бұрын

@@cygnusustusReally? Where can I listen to your interviews? And I’ll assume you also have the means and the platform to bring in some of the top minds in their individual fields as well. He IS a good interviewer, as shown by the respect his guests afford him and their continued presence year after year, not to mention the massive audience he accumulated from nothing in the basement of his apartment…Why even watch? And I say all of this not being a big fan of Rogan, but he is one of the best interviewers in the world today.

@cygnusustus

9 ай бұрын

@@hahajones That's not what makes a good interviewer, child.

@cygnusustus

9 ай бұрын

@@hahajones That's not what makes a good interviewer, child.

@lesliepropheter5040

9 ай бұрын

Yes, his approach gives the guest the ability to ‘go on a roll’, he interrupts to keep it rolling and does it when the guest gets a little out there, in this case, for the common man to keep track of. JR doesn’t always have to have researched everything, as in this case, scientific phenom

some people love to hear themselves talk period

It is so exciting to question and not know. I love the adventure of the quest to know more. Never understood those who have their minds made up! It just never made sense to me. Do you still see the world like you did when you were 5 years old?

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

26 күн бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

communication takes practice...involves learning how to listen, think, respectfully respond, learn, and teach...jre...excellent communicator...love...

Awesome interview. Love Stephen Meyer, and kudos to Joe for bringing a Christian on when I kind of think of him as a closet athesist. That takes courage.

@manuelgodoy92

8 ай бұрын

He’s definitely not a closet atheist he has said he’s an atheist before he probably just doesn’t care to mention that to every interviewer for the sake of the interview

@jamesmcgaha5166

5 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he's stated he's agnostic and many times said he believes in a higher power just not organized religion

@jamesmcgaha5166

5 ай бұрын

@@manuelgodoy92 he has quite literally said he is not an atheist but more of an agnostic if anything on his podcast with Stephen Meyer he even brings up how weird it is everyone assumes he is atheist online

It's like having a flat pack piece of furniture with 300 components and a random word generator and expecting the generator to eventually form a complete list of instructions of how to assemble the parts and in what order.

This is a great example of how sounding persuasive is more important than being persuasive when convincing people. For example, he mentions that changing a random bit of code, you would expect degradation long before you would expect anything new and useful to arise. But this is not a perfect analogy to what we see in nature, there needs to be one more step: any random change that degrades the code is discarded, much like detrimental mutations that arise in nature. They don't survive, and only beneficial mutations remain. There isn't just one code, there's one version of code in every individual and ones that were randomly degraded will disappear.

@chris160108

2 ай бұрын

Spot on observation! I saw a similar YT short a week ago using that same code analogy and it felt flawed but I couldn't quite put into words why it felt that way.

I can't beleive we have cutting edge apologetics on joe rogan. This is amazing

@TruthSeaker

9 ай бұрын

Totally agree!! Rogan's audience needs to be exposed to the arguments for the Christian worldview, otherwise they won't be making an informed decision. This was a great discussion!

@sicsempertyrannishonk7197

9 ай бұрын

@@TruthSeaker I prefer we stick to reality and things within the realm of possibility. Which excludes Christianity 100%. Believing in a virgin birth is like believing men can be women. Change my mind.

@helethead

9 ай бұрын

@@sicsempertyrannishonk7197 he can’t, he has zero proof. It would be the biggest discovery in the history of mankind.

@liquidmagma

9 ай бұрын

@@sicsempertyrannishonk7197 "Which excludes Christianity 100%" tells everyone you're too smug in your insecurity to be able to change your mind.

@helethead

9 ай бұрын

@@liquidmagma “smug in your insecurity”. Wtf ? Smug in his security, is what you mean. It’s simple, show some demonstrably provable facts. It’s been thousands of years, where are the facts?

I have always been super into science. As a high school and college kid, I had a basic knowledge of science and thought the stuff they said in church was silly and murky, so I went agnostic. Then, as I got older and deep dived into the nature of reality, I really saw the power and beauty of reality, and then god made much more sense as an explanation. Either their are gagillions of universes most of which dont work and we inhabit one that does or something made this. So reality works the way it works because it has to work that way, so whether by chance or by design the dominoes all fall just perfectly from the very tiniest scales all the way to the incomprhensibly large scales. Anyway. I am grateful to exist. I think it is appropriate to tell the chef they made good food, and I hope I get the opportunity to tell god that this existence thing is pretty neat.

@mbg4681

9 ай бұрын

>> I really saw the power and beauty of reality, and then god made much more sense as an explanation. The god hypothesis has _exactly_ ZERO explanatory power.

@justinjackson2588

9 ай бұрын

@mbg4681 But mbg... which one makes more sense to you and your understanding of reality? Which explanation, I mean. And, I guess by explanation, I mean story based on guesswork do you feel most comfortable with?

@justinjackson2588

9 ай бұрын

@@mbg4681 I do hope you respond. I will be very amused by your response.

@mbg4681

9 ай бұрын

@@justinjackson2588 >> But mbg... which one makes more sense to you and your understanding of reality? Which explanation, I mean. Anything that has survived contact with objective facts about the world, really. The theory of evolution, the theories of relativity, atomic theory, cognitivism, newtonian mechanics, germ theory... >> And, I guess by explanation, I mean story based on guesswork do you feel most comfortable with? Any story that has yet to be superseded by a superior explanation (including the null explanation). >> I do hope you respond. I will be very amused by your response. I'm not entirely sure what would count as amusing in what I have written above, but you're welcome.

@justinjackson2588

9 ай бұрын

@mbg4681 hey mgmb what do you mean about "anything that has survived contact with objective... I dont remember the entirety of that inane and incoherent response? I understand that you are a glorified monkey doing your best to understand the world around you. But damn son... try harder.

He's being so gracious. Time is not just the hero of the plot it's the black box of magic we're not supposed to think too much about.

@mcmanustony

4 ай бұрын

This is utter fucking nonsense

Here is Zen's way of proving the uniformity of nature: 1, Teacher, rings a bell, 2, Student, rings a bell

Well done on interviewing him.

Humility is so important.

@RudyKelmendi

15 күн бұрын

Says Bill Gates, CDC and the round table

Updating your RAS (reticular activating system) in the brain, (which is the filtering net of incoming stimuli) allows you to shift at what and where: you are looking... You have a limited number of choices... Updating the RAS shifts your consciousness...

The string example doesn't work because successful changes are saved and passed down. Unsuccessful ones remove the new changes from the pool. The initial change might be random, but what is saved is not random, what is saved is selected for by the environment. He improperly extrapolates random change.

@Pikkabuu

5 ай бұрын

Creationist lying? Stop the presses...

@robertulrich3964

2 ай бұрын

they can't be past down due to inbuilt DNA repair mechanisms.

@Pikkabuu

2 ай бұрын

@@robertulrich3964 Please elaborate.

@Pegases0

2 ай бұрын

I am too wondering WTF you are talking about

Interesting conversation and really a lot needs to be delved into in order to fully understand the concept of such ways of thinking. What an interesting guest appearance

@KronStaro

5 ай бұрын

you mean like simply thinking for yourself? lol

@c.galindo9639

5 ай бұрын

@@KronStaro you were intelligent enough to figure it out so continue on your journey with whatever you accept in thinking for yourself

@oggyoggy1299

4 ай бұрын

I hope you’re joking.

@c.galindo9639

4 ай бұрын

@@oggyoggy1299 if that’s what you got out of this then I need not explain what you have already accepted from this

@scarysun15

4 ай бұрын

@@c.galindo9639Einstein over here

we are evolving in how we think about evolution! I really like how he dichotomized the specific aspects of evolution theory that he disagrees with. I have felt the same way but never had the vocabulary to express it.

@mattmcdonald7112

4 ай бұрын

Meyers does a good job of attacking the unknown gaps in scientific knowledge, bearing in mind this approach is literally filling any knowledge gaps with a presupposition.

The problem was never the notion of a creator. The problem was who's to tell what or who that creator is, and what that creator really expects.

every comment section on every joe rogan video mentions that he doesn't interrupt his guests

Just finished this discussion. Excellent. I want to see Stephen C Meyer do a long-form discussion with Jacob Chansley.

@dennisclass

9 ай бұрын

QAnon Shamon? He was sentenced for many years.

No way! Sweet! All the prayers for Joe are really paying off. This year has been a different Joe! I love Dr Meyer!

@jensheedy

9 ай бұрын

I will start praying as well. I’ve not known how my brother could ever hear the truth, but I believe he could hear it from Joe.

@dustinmurphy82able

9 ай бұрын

@@jensheedy I will pray for that as well. And pray that anyone who sees this will also say a prayer for your brother to find the truth!

@joelstromberg2392

9 ай бұрын

🤦

@NeoThanosA5O

9 ай бұрын

All those prayer for kids with cancer, God: let's throw these in the bin. It's time to work on those prayers for Joe, much more important 😂

@manuelgodoy92

8 ай бұрын

🤦🏻‍♂️

Epistemologically, I’ll have to look that one up😅

It's good to see how many intelectuals are down to go on Joe's show. This guest's got the big brains. Enjoyable interview and topic.

So glad he had Dr. Stephen Meyer on, God is clearly working on him! Please have on Dr. Frank Turek, Dr. Hugh Ross, Dr. William Lane Craig, J Warner Wallace, Lee Strobel!

@jonedmunds8383

9 ай бұрын

dr. James white too

@MoreSCI-LessFI

9 ай бұрын

Frank Turek is the Homer Simpson of christian apologetics.

@robertraab

2 ай бұрын

@@MoreSCI-LessFI He's the half eatn donut Homer drops on the floor.

Every machine learning engineer must be throwing their phone at the wall hearing this guy say computers cant evolve code using the darwinian model

@austin6071

5 ай бұрын

Exactly this. I made a similar point but regarding epsilon greedy AI algorithms. You can plug both the “greed” and the “epsilon” into the function. He’s giving the right metaphor but with a limited understanding of his own take.

@Red_Twizzler

5 ай бұрын

Yea. Its sad that he thinks his argument is a compelling one. Another “smart” boomer spouting nonsense

@rleriche5044

4 ай бұрын

I'm sure there's a few philosophers out there that felt a bit of sick welling up too.

@robertulrich3964

2 ай бұрын

let's randomize the c++ code and see if the machine learning still learns.

@thomasaquinas157

2 ай бұрын

@@robertulrich3964 Randomize a DNA strand and what happens to the organism every time? Degradation.

People should watch Joe and learn, if nothing else, how to listen to people.

In layman's terms he said: you cant blow up a Bunnings hardware shop with everything inside of it to build a house and have one appear.

Back in 2005, when I went back for my PhD and before I was familiar w/ Dr Meyer, I read Dr Kenneth R. Miller's book, "Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution" (Harper Perennial, 1999; New York, NY). If you appreciate and can keep up with Dr Meyer and the brilliant arguments he poses in support of strong scientific evidence more in support of a Creator and Creation event than not, Dr Miller's book is another must-read.

Joe has gotten so great at listening. Talks less than he used to. Allows the guests to have longer soliloquys

@scottjordan6483

9 ай бұрын

You're the first person I've seen use soliloquy in a sentence correctly. Bravo!

@matthewp5472

9 ай бұрын

@@scottjordan6483 He wrote a soliloquy. Now you've seen 2, you're welcome.

@Randy-jz9ox

9 ай бұрын

Ridiculous word

@hovan2yourjunk

9 ай бұрын

Yes…exactly what you want. Zero push back in an “interview” 🤦🏻‍♂️

@philosopher0076

9 ай бұрын

Wrong. Joe ALWAYS listened and talked this little...unless he had something pertinent to interject or inquire.

Great video title. Like a land rover. What sold me on my gulf stream jet

One of the funniest thumbnails I’ve ever seen

I’ve followed Rogan for a long time. And the under-the-surface sense I get is something that I think most people don’t realize, it’s that Rogan actually wants to believe really badly, and that’s the issue. He wants it to be proven irrefutably before he starts making life decisions based on it. That’s how he’s always been.

@SpiritAA

5 ай бұрын

I grapple with fhis, too. However, I believe a God would learn much about those who believe in faith alone rather than cohercing the masses with concrete revelation. I think it could be a test.

@DonnyS.

5 ай бұрын

​@SpiritAA if god needed to test his own creations then it proves he is fallible, otherwise why need to test your own creations? Blah blah free will. If he gave free will and needed to test those with it, that still means free will might have been the wrong way to go and again would be him being fallible.

@MarkAtherton-bf4pq

5 ай бұрын

God wants us to participate, to pay attention, and make a real effort to become aware of our connection and role in this reality. Like giving a child a task or job to do so they learn and grow. Free will is a gift, and with it comes responsibility. You either recognize that connection with God and use the gift of freewill to see the bigger picture or, you ignore it and stay mired in this low vibration physical world. The CHOICE is yours.@@DonnyS.

@Volkbrecht

5 ай бұрын

Joke's on him. In one of his earlier appearences on the JRE Jordan Peterson basically made a case for "god" having evolved into our thought process. Religion has been part of the formative period of the human mind from the very start, so we have a certain inbuilt desire to abstract societal and psychological problems by personifying a higher power and arguing with it. And the ultimate problem for a self-conscious creature is the inevitable death of the ego. Rationally we know we cannot escape that, so we try to rationalize the belief into the supernatural, to build a believable escape-route for our panicking brain.

@jordanuchev1481

5 ай бұрын

​@DonnyS. You just proved God's point, he gave you freewill to write this nonsense and love you enough to not let lightening strike you as you write this bull....go do some research and study

could u imagine this guy trying to have this conversation with Neil degrassi tyson he would bust in like the kool-aid man cutting him off. this guy is very good at articulating his thoughts into words like a writer.

@auglazeallday5335

10 ай бұрын

I guess Joe played the part of Tyson. I stopped listening to their convo due to Joe's constant interruption.

@aaronscottmatthews7883

10 ай бұрын

ROFL that's a hilarious image Yeah with a topic as delicate as this you really have to have your arguments tight and in order

@justamurse5646

10 ай бұрын

“Black science man bad and the guy I like who confirms my biases would be badass and totally shut him down”. Science and facts don’t care about your feelings or mythological beliefs.

@thisguy2604

10 ай бұрын

​@@justamurse5646, right to race, super scientific

@luisclaudio4622

10 ай бұрын

Tyson has been asked to debate Meyer. He's refused to do so.

I saw a video on this kind of stuff in the early days of youtube, like 2007, there was a video explaining and displaying how frequencies, the shapes of things in the universe, the universe itself, and mathematic equations that tie into it, almost divine numbers, all tied into a 20 min youtube video, it changed my life, unfortunately, I only got to see it once, it was taken down even though I put it in my favorites and watch later all that, please, if this rings a bell for someone, I would like to re-experience this line of thinking

@ESport211

2 ай бұрын

was it zeitgeist?

computer code is just one level of processing away from images on a screen. DNA on the other hand, has MANY levels of processing between genotype and phenotype. a change in a gene is sometimes like turning it on and off, but it is more like adjusting one knob when it comes to how that gene affects the species.

2nd time I listened to this clip. It was worth it. Got lots of facts to chew on!

There's no joy, no hope, no happiness in my life. It's just pain and trauma and survival. I live in poverty. I am ashamed of my life. Rage and grief and loneliness and aloneness: consume every cell of my being.😊 I may have been here many times, but this incarnation is definitely my last rodeo on this plane. Any entity I encounter that says I have to come back, is going to get punched in the face (if they have one).

@Nathannnnnnnnnn

21 күн бұрын

Have you considered our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? God came in the flesh and took the sin of the world upon Himself, that all those who believe in Him would have everlasting life. Believe in Him and repent of your sins and you will become a new creation in Christ ❤

It's a nice metaphor with a tornado assembling a car but it is not all accurate. For example a complete human was not "assembled" all at once. Even given the chaotic nature of the "assembly" process, at first some small most basic "parts" were assembled. Then those parts were assembled into slightly bigger and more complex parts and so on. Moreover those parts weren't completely "stupid" and inanimate like car parts. On each level of complexity they had some kind of there own autonomous behaviour and different behaviours among different parts determine how those parts may or may not interact with each other event inside a chaotic tornato. Some parts may never be able to connect while others may attract when close to one another. This factor strongly diminishes the amount of chaos involved. The more complex and defined the elements become, the less chaotic interactions between them. Overall the meraphor of tornado and junk is somewhat shallow and contains logical errors.

@JeffMTX

3 ай бұрын

If a person believes something, then they are employing some degree of faith. I don’t think it’s admirable to boast of faithlessness, but that’s just me. I think “believers” are disappointed when they can’t “convince” someone to share their faith. Maybe we ought not worry so much about that.

@davegaskell7680

3 ай бұрын

@@JeffMTX In a nutshell, non believers are non believers because they require more persuasive evidence in order to be persuaded. Believers should be able to convince a non believer by saying why they believe. That they cant convince a non believer means their reasons for believing arent persuasive.

@JeffMTX

3 ай бұрын

@@davegaskell7680 You might want to keep in mind the concept of one's personal choice to believe something (ie behave as if it is known to be true) simply because one *chooses* to do so. We operate all through our lives with incomplete information about things. If one waits until one has an exhaustive complement of information about a thing before he or she acts, the person will never accomplish anything. These statements are known to be true. I'm not debating with you. I'm trying to help you. Let's not talk any more, but these statements might be worth thinking about, for your benefit, say over the next year. They have the potential to be useful to you.

@davegaskell7680

3 ай бұрын

@@JeffMTX I wouldn't use the word "choose" in the way you do with regard to truth claims. I don't accept that we can choose what we believe. Happy not to debate with you though.....I'm just providing this statement for you to think about, to help you, for your benefit ;-)

@MrBlack-by5xf

2 ай бұрын

The cell, and how all the components and organelles etc. supposedly emerged, is incomprehensible. There would be no reason, no selective incentive for proto-viruses/viruses/self replicating molecules to become cells, and then there would further be no mechanism to incorporate the structures of the organelles and varied features of more complex cells. It's like a bad joke when this gets discussed at a high level. It basically becomes, "somehow, somewhere, in an ocean of time, each structure of the cell emerged." Simply put, No. Not rational.

It's been since college since I heard the word epistemology (the study of knowledge and how knowledge is acquired).

@hankstorey64

9 ай бұрын

That seems like it’s kinda on you…

It is a shame Francis Schaeffer is no longer with us. What a great interview that would be.

@tedhart7708

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, it would!👍🏻

@Gilfanon-2

9 ай бұрын

Or CS Lewis….

@aslan2709

9 ай бұрын

Bahnsen 😳

"Nothing solid to hold onto in reality." --- Hmmm... I can't escape reality no matter what I do. I've noticed that there is persistency and consistency of identity in reality. Millions of sensory perceptions hit me every five minutes involving all of my senses over my whole life that tell me that reality is very much real and consistent. Reality is acting on my senses so that I'm aware of it constantly. 12/24/23, 9:22 p.m.

@rleriche5044

4 ай бұрын

ou have more sense than him. But I suspect he's just grifting books to religious people.

Darwin’s Doubt was a fantastic book! Meyer is a brilliant man.

@Pikkabuu

Ай бұрын

So could you point out his best argument from the book?

Great conversation. I would highly encourage listening to the whole podcast. Fanstastic.

@RollYourRock

9 ай бұрын

Link?

@CR7R10DG19

9 ай бұрын

@@RollYourRock spotify

@Sometimeslifeiscrazy

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, this guy doesn’t actually have any evidence to support his claims. He made that very clear on this podcast by stating he had evidence so many times, but not producing any of it. He changed his ideas so many times even on the podcast it’s clear that he wants to believe this stuff. But that it clearly does not have the evidence to back it up.

@ANIMALS_MISTAKEN_HC_MUSIC

9 ай бұрын

Why? This was already boring and nonsensical.

@stademeister15

9 ай бұрын

@@Sometimeslifeiscrazy I disagree. In this clip alone he provides evidence, e.g. Darwin's finches, computer coding, that demonstrate a compelling argument for the logical soundness of his point of view. It may be that the evidence you're looking for is of a different kind than what he brings, but that does not negate the veracity of his claims.

Get John Lennox on...he is great too.

@Adam_A_Christian

9 ай бұрын

^Yes!

molecular biologist here: Time is important but evolution happens in a massive parallel manner, in every organism. Basically all possible combinations and perturbations will exist in a population over time. Now also assume that every small improvement will also enhance the process by selection.

Thanks

As a Meyer myself, I want to apologize for the statements and actions of this individual. The Meyer High Council will be convening soon to discuss Stephen's banishment. Thank you.

I am struggling to make sense of this, time to work on my vocabulary!

Id love to hear his thoughts on the hominids

If you want to see how a computer can actually program better over time (mutation), check out Adrian Thompson's experiment with FPGA's over a long period of mutations. What Meyer is missing the boat on is it's not about if a mutation created complexity, it's if it was more advantageous at the time. The mutation didn't know it was more complex - it was the fact the primitive eye which could distinguish light, mutated and now could distinguish movement as well....was selected because of it's advantage.

@todpeterson6976

2 ай бұрын

Bingo

AAAHHH! ive been saying for quite a while that Stephen Meyer should be on the JRP. So glad he's able to give Joe an alternate perspective on things. Great interview!

@aphaseelec

9 ай бұрын

Rogan was listening but he could see through the bullshit

@skeletonmade

9 ай бұрын

@@aphaseelecur opinion

@RobertM55533

9 ай бұрын

Wow, a mind reader...cooool!

@jesusisthetruth2061

9 ай бұрын

​@@aphaseelec if the claims of Christianity were true, would you be a Christian?

@CiscoWes

9 ай бұрын

@@aphaseelec That's a strange takeaway from the discussion. Meyer basically dismantled all the "bullshit" with surgical precision. Maybe you meant Meyer?

It is obvious that this fella is a really nice guy. I like him. He is a nice guy, i would wager in the real world too. thanks for the clip.

So it comes down to code. And what code can do. But code itself is first. Investigate the nature of that code. What is its structure? What is its geometry? These are not difficult questions to investigate as we already have the tools. With this first principle in place, the field becomes very interesting indeed.

I listened to the whole thing as I was very interested in seeing how this would go given the guest's known convictions. I write this comment after having read a bunch in the hopes that someone on the Rogan team captures significant themes from these comments/responses and Rogan thoughtfully considers them. I realize that I am assuming the theme of "Rogan seemed different and navigated this interview in a way that came of to me, and many others it appears, as having a difficult-to-pin-down negative edge to it" is significant. - I agree that Rogan seemed off and coming from an unusual place in this conversation. - I am not sure I heard Rogan say anything like, "I don't necessarily agree with you, although that is a great point, and a worthy argument" when many of the points seemed to merit that type of acknowledgement regardless of your beliefs or bias or possible animosity. -There seemed to be a lack of enthusiasm to learn and reflect in the moment that Rogan is known for (in my opinion) -It seemed as if Rogan came in expecting to confront someone who was going to proselytize and he didn't get that and so the points he made came of as pre-meditated and scripted and ill-timed. -Meyers explanation of his "Divine interventions and guidance" came off as flat and mundane and were seemingly downplayed by Rogan as "growing up and maturing and simply getting better" to put it my way (although they were in question form). -Recognizing selfishness and moving away from it to selflessness is a big freaking deal and not everyone comes from destitution or horrific (or even mild) trauma and has a redemption story that is universally compelling. That is not "anyone's fault" per se just as being born a crack addict or an alcoholic is not a child's fault (or ever their fault). And that does not diminish the relative impact of one's character defects on their life and the struggle to overcome, and what is necessary for some to overcome them. Are there first world problems - sure. That said, selfishness, regret, shame, fear, guilt and all the rest have trashed many lives that were at one time revered and desired. -Meyer showed openness and tact when Joe went into psychedelics and fertility rituals as the basis for Christianity, and his own experiences with the "other" via psychedelics. Talk about a major curve ball if you are hearing this for the first time. It seemed like an in-your-face challenge born of a kind of snooty defiance. Like, "go ahead, deny the authenticity of my experience". Meyer was open and respectful used a Biblical reference to leave room for this as an avenue to God. -I would have expected the same level of openness and acknowledgment and respect for Meyer's religious experiences and their impact on his life. It is all relative. -Those are just some examples and others have noted more. -It just felt different, especially with Meyers' approach. -It felt like there was a strange and dismissive and antagonistic type of undertone that resulted in leaving a lot on the table. Maybe the topics themselves were not compelling more broadly and Joe was trying to spice it up...and I feel like that is reaching pretty far on my part. -Maybe Meyer pissed Joe off in the run-up...???

@user-lg1oo6ev7k

9 ай бұрын

Who's Joe Rogan?

@planes3333

9 ай бұрын

You make a good point. I think Joe is so guarded about faith in Jesus he is facing spiritual battles and also public, he seems like he doesnt want to consider a hell, sin or god so he has put up walls.

@georgelasich482

9 ай бұрын

Well put, I perceived all of the same things. The flow of the conversation at times was bumpy, especially when Joe threw in the psychedelic talk. Stephen handled the whole negative undertone of the interview with humility. I suspect he has encountered a lot of it in the past. Once we get past our own pride and ego, can we accept and ponder these types of questions. I applaud Joe for airing this episode even though it seems to go against his core belief.

@georgelasich482

9 ай бұрын

@@planes3333 agreed. As a born again Christian at age 40, I fought all of the same points Joe is for the past 20 years of my life. I believe there are negative forces hindering us from accepting God. We don’t want to be accountable for all of our sin. We don’t want to be the ones not in control. Once we accept that we are created by Him, we can see clearly the intricacies of life. I know I sound preachy, but this has been a huge last couple years in my life. Coming from a mainstream scientific background, it is hard to break free from certain ideas.

@planes3333

9 ай бұрын

@@georgelasich482 Its the truth. I can relate to the same forces trying to keep us away from his throne, my pride, my flesh, my sin, my shame.............I think a lot of the time people have known lots of family and friends who have died and the thought that they are in hell freaks people out and they too want to deny a creator and a hell and a god. Those things are all too true! I have my own sins though and I have kind of gone sideways half of my life in falling to addictions, (i just had 10 months sober and I fell again, I am awaiting detox in a couple days, its easy to lose faith at those times too, ..... but the truth is the truth and I cant ever deny there is a loving Jesus, so I follow and stumble. nice talking to you

Have him on again, but with Richard Dawkins at the same time. Now that would be an entertaining episode 😉

@darylhill9400

9 ай бұрын

He may seem fairly brilliant, but I believe Dawkins would him

@andrewfrank7222

9 ай бұрын

@@darylhill9400 Dawkins wouldn't have to lie.

@darylhill9400

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewfrank7222 absolutely

@Andrew-qc8jh

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewfrank7222 😆true

@johnxina-uk8in

6 ай бұрын

​@@andrewfrank7222 Because he has no imagination he goes off of the data we only have NOW. No one is ever getting anywhere with science with how he thinks, hes a book seller, not a thinker