Easy to spot ageism in job ads. Phrases like "Energetic", "High Energy", "Entry Level", " Recent College Graduate" , " Super Fun Work Environment", "Digital Native"...etc. Agesim is everywhere in the job market.

@ElsaAndAnnie

2 жыл бұрын

And the government does nothing about it. Perhaps they should change retirement age to 55 instead of 63.5?

@Raminakai

2 жыл бұрын

“ Rockstar “ is another one.

@susanna6978

Жыл бұрын

must be able to lift 70 pounds regularly. I didn't want to do that at 20.

@obgfoster

7 ай бұрын

I never bother to apply for a job with the word "energetic" in it - my profession is sedentary. WTH do they really mean?

@robertfoerster566

5 ай бұрын

I love it here in the digital realm. Energetic? In my 25 years in digital I don't recall anyone needing to be energetic to type on computers, pick up phone calls and visit others in their office/cubicle. lol ;)

Some great points there. Only things I would add from experience are....many managers what to be the one that finds the young dead ringer, that moves up in the company and wants credit for that. This is not found in an older employee. Also, many managers do not want to hire someone that has a lot more knowledge than them, due to fear of inferiority or their job security.

@ElsaAndAnnie

2 жыл бұрын

Very valid point.

Age discrimination is ridiculous. I have filled out around 10 application for a job. I have over 41 years of management and retail experience. But these companies think I no longer can do the job. Hiring younger workers don't even have any experience in the retail business. For an sample. You're are supposed to rotate the stock. Move the old stock to the front. Everytime I go shopping. It doesn't matter it's Kroger, Walmart or any other supermarket. I see groceries stocker put the new stock in front of the old stock. Not even checking expiration date of the old stock.

@joemarchand8313

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on, Sam. I see the same thing constantly. There is very little discipline or sense of pride in the younger worker (not all, but most).

@fizmath935

9 ай бұрын

Correct. I am far better at work than 30 years ago.

@shannonfarley8583

3 ай бұрын

😢this far to depressing that you are put out to pasture at 50

As a mature older adult, physically fit and energetic, mechanical inclined, moderate tech skills. I've applied on different online websites for jobs that i considered to be a good fit. Just to be ghosted or sent an emailed, but no interview. Found out that companies are using A.I. app & resume screeners. The problem I see, a lot of applicants, that can be great candidates, such as my self are being rejected. Another issue come across classifieds, employers no putting their name, or phone number, just a genetic email. No way to research about the company, but they want you sent them your info. Last but not least watch out for job scammers thet seem legit. Asking fur a photo, cooy of your drivers license. Never give your social security by phone, zoom, or in person interview, until a job offer or officially hired. In 2022 beware of "scammers" , trying to steal your identity.

@skytechbits

3 күн бұрын

Yes I wish people would never give out their driver's license or even phone number for that matter until they decide with proof that the company is legit and that they are really interested. You don't know based on a job description if you are really interested in working with them until you learn about their management culture, that is, if they are a legit company. There are now, after 2020, many more scammers everywhere on all platforms. Since Indeed advertises that the company can do a video interview from the Indeed platform then the job seeker should not have to give out their phone number or be directed to another website off of the Indeed platform for the first employer meeting.

The art of interviewing seems to be dying out. Too many managers use pre-written interview questions *Give me an example of... and what you did about it*, instead of knowing what they actually want in an employee. They just know they have a gap to fill and take the easy way out with these pre-written questions. (I interviewed with 4 different companies in one week and got asked the EXACT same questions at each interview and each job was completely different from each other) At the age of 55, I have been asked by managers *are we interviewing you or are you interviewing us?*. Yes..... as it should be. ;-)

@tonycollazorappo

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure that they don't even read resumes these days. In my last job of 15yrs, every they noticed that I was able to do a lot on computers they were shocked. I asked " did anyone read my resume when I was hired??" 2019, new management decided the older workers needed to go and I was laid off, sadly, and still out of work because nobody really wants to hire anyone aged 60. So the idea that I am more knowledgeable goes out the window during an interview with ridiculous questions.

@tonycollazorappo

3 жыл бұрын

@@sf3891 , I'm starting to see this, I'm 60. So far I've gotten 3 scam proposals to work at 3 places that I researched and don't exist. Agencies keep trying to send me to places that don't match my work experience by a long shot. It's like they are trying to just send me someplace to make it look like they are doing their job, they have my resume. I'm going back to AARP after all in the mid-Fall or mid-Winter, they were working with me and then they closed down during the lockdown. I'll try the non-profit arena and just do anything temp agencies till age 62 and retire, use the temp agencies till 65 get on medicare. I'm over the corp world and job places in general. I started working at age 16 now all this :(

@ElsaAndAnnie

2 жыл бұрын

Remember, Even those hiring managers will be >50 someday ;). Karma will hit them too. Trust me.

@Raminakai

2 жыл бұрын

That is exactly right! Flip the script!

I'm in IT and good at what I do. I'm also 62 years old and haven't been hired after a year of searching. (Around 150+ applications to a large variety of organizations) Questions in my mind: Why would I keep getting interviews if the companies are not really willing to hire my age? Do they have to interview a certain number of older people to keep up their image? Do they think I will take more time off to upkeep my health? Does my insurance cost them more? I thought it was improper or even illegal to ask age on an application, yet they all have a mandatory field for birthdate on their forms. I also didn't inject the zombie juice into my body and many employers require that. It doesn't seem legal. I'll admit that I do feel changes in my body and mind with increasing age, but not enough to stop me from being a great worker. I have respect and I value my next position. You can't teach those things to a younger worker.

@fizmath935

9 ай бұрын

Based on my experience I do suspect that staffing firms use older people like myself as practice for their new hires. Guys right out of college will call me and tell them to await a call from their manager that same day, only to hear nothing back from them.

In the application process for most, if not all, companies that are promoted by Indeed, they require (i.e. you can't submit without) a Start Date and End Date for all past positions held. Why not change this to Duration, e.g., Project Manager 3 years, Senior Engineer 5 years, etc.?

@obgfoster

7 ай бұрын

I changed my resume to have just the number of years, and dropped everything that didn't directly relate to the job description, and that was the magic bullet. (But then I got laid off at 65 in a RIF that eliminated my department)

This video really could use an update. The pandemic and the lockdown really changed the job market for the worse. Many employment agencies shut down or changed direction entirely during the past couple of years. Employers are now much more picky and willing to use things like AI filters and the like to discard 'reject' resumes. Hell, I couldn't even get hired by our local supermarkets. They're entirely staffed by high school kids now. This video also seemed to be focused strictly on white-collar work. People outside of that world, not just trades, but creative work, health care, food and hospitality industries, all face challenges in overcoming ageism in their job search that don't even seem to get touched upon here. Time for a retake.

@billp4

9 ай бұрын

An update or better yet, a delete. It's sad to see what has become of KZread

@obgfoster

7 ай бұрын

AI filters were being used before 2020.

I just applied for a job with the county ....they require your DL# (which contains your birth year) and they came right out and asked for YOB! unreal.....what part of age discrimination are they not understanding....

@tonycollazorappo

3 жыл бұрын

I 100% agree, "what part of age discrimination are they not understanding"

@kazbah1217

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is illegal, but the catch is based on your consent. You don’t legally have to respond to that question.

Indeed really needs to include those blue collar workers who are looking for work. Most if not all these video "help" things are geared much much more towards white collar workers. Kinda sad this is done. Much like age discrimination, the practice of blue collar worker discrimination is just the same. Hear me Indeed?

This video isn't geared for older people job seeking, this is geared for employers hiring, absolutely Not helpful

American society is extremely youth focused unlike others in the world. "younger is better" is the mantra. A lot of businesses worry that when they hire someone older, that person will command a higher salary, this is not always the case.

I’ve never landed a job through indeed; after wasting my time for too long, I always head elsewhere with far better results. The hassle, the poor matches, the sterile process. All of these platforms seem much better for employers than for applicants.

The point right at 9:52 is a good way to tell if a company you want to work for is opting to play stupid. According to a podcast I heard many years ago that sometimes if the company wants to use these words in advertising for the job, you might want to ask them if they do have an upper age limit for hiring. That way, they would be forced to tell the truth. And when they pull that crap, they know they are breaking the law. Companies know fair and square that they are prohibited from imposing maximum age limits on job openings. If they do have one, then that maximum age limit needs to be tossed out with the trash. If own a company and if the attorney general catches you imposing upper age limits, you can be fined severely.

An additional topic/parameter is "Wageism." Being a professional in the medical field, I have experienced direct rejection of applications for jobs which do not pay what the data shows my given job category pays. The bias becomes - "why look at this person applying when they can potentially go back into their trained and licensed field, and thereby create the "flight risk," one who leaves a lesser paying job for a higher paying job as soon as they can. Why should we take that chance?" My applications never make it past the ATS and to a human HR analyst/screener. I am handcuffed to my former training on paper and from many years experience, yet additional training and the lateral knowledge, skills, and abilities are not considered when measured against wages in what presents on paper. This is "Wageism." I guess opting (choosing) to apply for more desirable jobs which are known to pay less is not allowed in 2021!!!! Follow the money...

@robertfoerster566

5 ай бұрын

It's terrible and it's sidelining adults into service jobs wasting their talents and sending a lot of people into poverty for nothing more than hubris.

It seems like this video talked a lot about the problem and how to recognize it. You didn't mention how to succeed in getting a job if you've been running your own business for 25 years and Covid policy took that. Now at 59 all the job postings want me to get another degree for almost any job that pays a living wage for San Francisco. I don't see anything I qualify for despite looking young, knowing how to do all the things that it takes to run a business and getting some new certificates for skills I was interested in studying during the Covid lockdown. The advice here is frustrating and simplistic. I don't feel like I learned anything that will actually get me a job besides luck. How do you convince anyone to even look at you when you have been self employed?

@tonycollazorappo

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, puggirl415, this video is not that helpful, it's more informative.

@sushie29

2 жыл бұрын

Yes no video will give a solutions

@goodnamesareallgone1

3 ай бұрын

"How do you convince anyone to even look at you when you have been self employed?" Maybe use and put the networking skills and any social media savvy you acquired while being an entrepreneur into overdrive? Oh, and puggers are cool.

How can you prove they're discriminating when they can hire who they want?

Ageism is alive and well and widely popular in corporations. I have experienced it myself.

Two times I've hiring managers come back saying they've decided they want a more junior candidate.

When asked, “May I ask how old you are?” Don’t be stupid like me. Say, “ How is that relevant to this job?” If you don’t want to be appear rude, you can say, “ With all due respect...”

You worked for your qualifications, etc. but an overqualified employee may need to square that off with the positing they are seeking. if you are applying for a managerial position, those qualifications will help. If applying to get your foot in the door, those qualifications will help once you are in and wish to advance to other positions that become open. Just a thought.

Thank you for this video - it was so helpful and has given me hope that I WILL get a job. Very much appreciated.

I think they want younger people that know less and they can teach and they will stay longer. I think older workers would be good temporary jobs, I wish temporary agencies hadn't stop existing - what is expected of people today concerning customer service is questionable and older workers get what is going on, younger people thing it is the norm. I will say, some older workers have negative attitudes and need to be sure they have a happy attitude. A positive about older workers, they know what they are good at, and they usually apply for what they know they can do, younger people don't know yet what they like and are good at.

@tonycollazorappo

3 жыл бұрын

Temp agencies are still around, that's the route I'm going until I reach Medicare age and maybe longer after that. I'm 60 and plan to retire at 62. The corporate world does not want older workers any more.

@followthewayTRUTHlife

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, young workers are easier to manipulate.

@billp4

9 ай бұрын

@@followthewayTRUTHlife Older workers have put up with enough crap so they won't put up with it anymore

Thank you, very informative and reassuring!

@Indeed

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! -CC

😊 thank you so much for this, fantastic advice

Thank you for this video and the shocking statistics surrounding mature workers! It's indeed very helpful to understand how we can help to combat the biases that are sometimes unconscious. Best to understand and do our best to counteract and control the pieces that we can effect.

@Indeed

2 жыл бұрын

Well said Danielle! -CC

@billp4

9 ай бұрын

@@Indeed except for effect

Excellent information. Thank you.

@Indeed

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, Nancy! -CC

Great info!

Great video!!!!

Employers have a million and one ways to get around any anti discrimination laws.

Dear Indeed, you need a search option based on company size. I have much better succes with small companies.

I am wondering if an employer is allowed to ask what year you graduated high school. That would tell them your age!

@vidakodre3027

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that i this case, you tell them the TRUTH and be proud of it. So what if this was 40 years ago. :)

@followthewayTRUTHlife

2 жыл бұрын

They are not supposed to ask, just like one can decline to answer gender, disability, and race status.

@suzannehenderson1833

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, some online applications will not progress unless the graduation date, and also employment history dates, are entered. Is that coercion?

@TheSnerggly

Жыл бұрын

I've been asked that numerous times with online applications, I immediately bow out.

@billp4

9 ай бұрын

G o to an on-line high school and graduate again when you are 55.

They don’t care about your years of experience they only see how much life you have left to take. I realise now that I have missed out on jobs lately because I dared to ask for what I know I’m worth per hour. Apparently if you are older then they won’t pay you properly, so ask for peanuts then you might get the job. It’s so fun being interviewed by a 25 year old who has no clue or appreciation for your wealth of knowledge and experience. They just give me a blank stare. Hopeless.

Has anyone here, young or old. ever applied to a big company and gotten a response without any inside connections? I have never gotten a response from a Fortune 500 company, only smaller ones with under 100 employees. The largest company to ever call me had about 1000 employees and they were local to my city.

Indeed should perhaps come up with specialized job boards for companies that are more open to hiring all ages, there are boards out there I've heard for the 45/50+ Yes, it's getting so bad they start looking elsewhere at 45 now too! When using indeed, if you see any of those terms she mentions as a breach of ageism rules, please do report it to them. I didn't know this and will keep an eye out when those show up and report them.

@goodnamesareallgone1

3 ай бұрын

My dad warned me 20 years ago that now (at the time) that I've hit 40, it's going to be a lot rougher with regard to jobs -- he was right.

Some good stuff but some bunk too.

53.1% of employees stay with a company less than 5 years.

recommended federal job resume is suggested 5 pages. that is what I have. should I make a separate 2 pager for local or non-profit jobs?

@Indeed

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, we would recommend that. Both entities are looking for very different styles of resumes. -CC

@birdybanks5819

3 жыл бұрын

A CV is very long as expected but your resume should be shorter and more concise. A talent recruiter told me that she doesn't have time to go through five page resume x 100 people, so they only look at the shorter more compact resumes that has everything they nee to see. For example, they may not care about hobbies and organizations you belong to unless you are a professional that needs to be part of one as part of your job description. If you are applying to be a historian and belonging to some historian society will help. They may not care if you are part of the Scout Master for boys and girls and are applying for job as historian.

I’m getting more insight from these comments, then the videos!😂😏

Dear Heather from Indeed, when applying for a job on your website, the potential employer can ask "how many years of Microsoft office experience do you have." Isn't that akin to asking how old you are? The potential employer can do the math and if you answer truthful like me, this will rule you out of getting an interview. You are part of the problem, Indeed. There are so many ways to get around age discrimination which I am sure you know. On my last interview, they asked me how many more years am I going to work? I should have answered "zero since I am going to start my own business now. "

Where is the conclusive data reflecting that diversity truly leads to stronger performance of teams and organizations?

This type of biasness should not exit they also need to live being self dependable now a days nobody shows mercy to anyone

How to apply im here in kuwait 10yrs housekeeper willing to apply plz help me maam godbless

Older worker is over 50 years old

"Fast paced".

Why do they always show "older" workers with gray hair 🙄 it's ridiculous. Some younger people can't even spell, or tell time on a regular clock. Talk about being dumbed-down

Other countries value age, this country does not, and it is going to go down because of that and racism.

Wtf, don't people wear makeup, nice clothes, and fix their birds nest hair.