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@redemrys5342

Жыл бұрын

With all the issues concerning the rights of the working class, capitalist greed, incompetence, Forde Report etc. I am not going support someone who seems obsessed with himself and his own self promotion to the exclusioo of all else

@redemrys5342

Жыл бұрын

Philips as a politician has done little of note..Jones' has become obsessed with his own self promotion, that I find it disturbing.

@michaelbowling1362

Жыл бұрын

Wish we had more Polictians like Jess - you were kind of owned 😏

@stevecollins4567

Жыл бұрын

She was a fireball, huh.

@stevecollins4567

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Well done.

"Left wing views are perfectly welcome" isn't exactly what you want to hear from an MP in an allegedly left wing party

@mick947

Жыл бұрын

Yes, she gave herself away there..oops!

@TrophyGuide101

8 ай бұрын

Labour are supposed to be the party of the working class, not the party of giving the state all the power then pretending they will use that power to help the working class like the left believes.

@Jack-Peters99

3 ай бұрын

@@mick947 So you'd rather people be like Owen Jones, far left? The guy is an absolute quilt. It's about time we lean more to the right. I can't stand what the 'left' has become.

"I'd be left wing if it was possible." - I think you're on to something here, Owen.

"I will enact popular left leaning policy when they have absolutely no downsides for anyone." Wow. So strong. So never then.

@kathybramley5609

Жыл бұрын

"Actual real live people" as young princess Anna sang discounting the servants of the royal household all around her, trying to do their job as best they could. Then she wrecks the joint. Toppling the statues into the cake.

@kathybramley5609

Жыл бұрын

Sometime later... Our flag will always fly!! Our flag will always fly!!

@kathybramley5609

Жыл бұрын

Maybe there's hope for the next right thing. Even if that phrase does worry me because it's a phrase mentioned in a guardian article on MKUltra, a relative thinks it may have been played on loop to her aunt during the time of the experiments.

Tories are like wolves, they show their teeth and we're under no illusion who they are. The Right of Labour are like foxes, they show their teeth but pretend that they are smiling. You run from the growling wolf right into the open Jaws of the smiling fox (taken from a Malcom X quote).

@belindamay8063

Жыл бұрын

@KillaKermit. The Tories only show their teeth in an ingratiating smile. The people really are deluded - and that’s the trouble. They never learn . The responsibility is theirs in the end. As for Malcolm X , he never had to deal with the British electorate. And I’m sorry to tell you , he was no Shakespeare either.

I hate that woman , why not ask about the labour files? Why is no-one talking about the labour files

@eddouglas

Жыл бұрын

they'd get expelled from the party I expect.

@johnboro64

Жыл бұрын

Hate?

@waynehutchinson7662

Жыл бұрын

@@johnboro64 yes that's how strongly I feel , not just her the rest of the labour MPs involved in the labour files which is most of the current lot including Kieth starmer , as far as I'm concerned they are just red Tories who acted against the will of the voters , and openly support apartheid , Disgusting , vile, charlatans. Not my labour , no ones labour.

Hilarious. The glib, snide and condescending manner in which Phillips, Streeting et al behaved towards you in these interviews suggests very much that your critique of the party is accurate and that you've touched a nerve.

@thetragicyouth

Жыл бұрын

Upvote x 100

@josm1481

Жыл бұрын

The party of ahead in the polls, something that was very rare under Corbyn. Life long student activists like Owen are just embarrassments.

@elpirata2685

Жыл бұрын

@@josm1481 it's more a question of Truss being behind than Sir Keir being ahead tbf

@josm1481

Жыл бұрын

@@elpirata2685 and Corbyn was against May, who was appalling. Corbynism was a failure, no matter how you try dress it up to cover your denial.

@leipherd8118

Жыл бұрын

"How's that going for you" was the telling statement, showing she herself sees a wing of the party that is undesirable to include in any "broad church". She also intimates this is because that wing is antisemitic and unelectable. I wonder if she has watched the Labour Files for any context on her opinion (if those are her honestly held beliefs). The reason I wonder if they are honestly held is the way she dances around the question rather than just openly saying "I think the Labour Left are antisemitic and unelectable".

She doesn't fool anyone. Her body language and her inability to answer your questions like a grown up says it all.

@coldworld5

Жыл бұрын

So you want her to make definitive answers to extremely complex questions just on a whim. Don’t be stupid

@gerwynbirtles7505

Жыл бұрын

@@coldworld5 Yes, she's a politician.

@peterwright5311

Жыл бұрын

@@coldworld5 What is complicated about asking whether driving people out of the party is consistent with it being a 'broad church'?

Jess Phillips's answers were frivolous. A pity though that Owen didn't ask: if she's so left-wing, why did she want to 'knife' Jeremy Corbyn (not literally) 'in the front'?

@kawallabair3216

Жыл бұрын

Because the cost of putting so much support on Jeremy Corbyn when he was a toxic apple for the British public, was an 80 seat majority for Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. You can make up any policy you like, but you have to bring the British public with you and to do that, you have to moderate the extremes because democracy is about compromise. The alternative is to collapse the country like Liz Truss is doing and get elected on one mandate and then do another - and that would be autocracy.

@josm1481

Жыл бұрын

Why didn't Owen answer her question, what made her right wing? Owen failed, in more than one way in just interview.

@pabloybert

Жыл бұрын

I am no fan, however Jess Phillips said that in a response to an accusation of MPs stabbing him in the back. In fact it was not specifically aimed at Jeremy Corbyn but a generalisation of herself as not being so sneaky as to stab someone in the back

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

They stabbed him in the front not the back lol

@peterwright5311

Жыл бұрын

@@josm1481 He answered that question. He meant right in terms of the party membership, did you not watch the whole clip? Short attention span over there?

She did not own and destroy you. Totally agree with you.

@Keithqpr2611

6 ай бұрын

She did

To be fair you're not a real labour member if you haven't torn your membership card up in fury at least once

@fintanbeirne7261

Жыл бұрын

Sadly I lost my physical one and I don’t much fancy snapping my phone in half 😢

Dismissing the views of 200, 000 people Astounding arrogance and ignorance Maybe she needs to watch the Labour files on Al Jazeera

@M2Mil7er

Жыл бұрын

She knows first hand about the corruption behind the smear campaign. She had her part to play in it.

@josm1481

Жыл бұрын

Dismissing the views of the electorate is stunningly arrogant. Corbyn lost twice.

@brianmmacu

Жыл бұрын

@@josm1481 just because you’re so naive that you don’t why they didn’t vote for him….and this KZread I’m not going to educate you so live in blissful ignorance if you like

@stephwarrick4771

Жыл бұрын

@@josm1481 Corbyn won 40% of the popular vote in GE2017 against the Tories' 42%. It was because the electorate liked him so much that the establishment then closed ranks and smeared him relentlessly.

@makslargu5799

Жыл бұрын

@@josm1481 lack of proportional representation is a huge factor in that, the Tories would hold 77 fewer seats if the 2019 election votes were counted proportionally which would be 288 seats and 320 is required for a majority, i.e. not enough people voted Tory for the Tories to win in a fair race. Also, people don’t tend to have great confidence in a party that is constantly trying to usurp its leader - the leaders of the NEC and other establishment figures is why they didn’t win. The electorate didn’t vote for Gordon brown or Ed Miliband either and they could hardly be considered progressive or leftist, the idea that Corbyn is the reason Labour have struggled to get elected is farcical.

“Left wing in the abstract” Nailed.

"I'm left-wing in the world where I live" just means "I'm left wing in the context to people in my own constituency who aren't that interested in debates about ideology." I suppose, which is fair enough. But if you barely say anything left wing, and don't seem very interested in implementing left wing policies, pretending that they're completely impossible, well, then, sorry if we're a little sceptical.

@chrisdickinson3168

Жыл бұрын

Read her book Jack front to back it will enlighten you and help you understand her character

@JamesLavinTheOnly

Жыл бұрын

@Whyte knight Brit in general, being anti-capitalism and pro workers rights, LGBTQ rights, support for disabled people and racial equality

@johnlewis9158

Жыл бұрын

most of Owen Jones views are indistinguishable to those of a Californian neoliberal and i suppose that's the reason why the likes of George Galloway and the old school left in general have very little time for him

@kevinjewitt6347

Жыл бұрын

@@johnlewis9158 In my opinion neoliberals are all the same, regardless where they are from. I wouldn’t put Owen Jones in that bracket, Tony Blair, Keir Starmer, and their cohorts, definitely yes.

@kevinjewitt6347

Жыл бұрын

I would say very sceptical.

She looked like a slightly pissed aunt at a wedding asking why you like that "scruffy" Jeremy Corbyn and saying that's why you haven't found a nice husband yet

She was talking in a louder voice than Owen, that's some peoples idea of "owning" someone.

@tomspinach2368

Жыл бұрын

lol, did you not see the sub 100 IQ clown she was talking to?

“I’ll do whatever it takes to be left wing, even if that means acting right wing”

@robertheap2911

Жыл бұрын

If they act right wing in opposition, but left wing in government. I could go with that bit of shiftiness. But I won’t be holding my breath or betting on it.

Unbelievable how obvious it is that JP bloody hates Owen.

@101dannybhoy

Жыл бұрын

...and yet great friends with Jacob Rees-Mogg. Says it all.

@Keithqpr2611

6 ай бұрын

Hates himself

'Broad church' in the sense of 'Tory tribute act'.

@Ghengiskhansmum

Жыл бұрын

Broad mouth that shouts a lot.

@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS

Жыл бұрын

You get that a non-moderate party is far less likely to win a majority vote in a democracy, right? I mean, do you want to be 'ideologically pure' and powerless? Or do you actually want to engage in POLITICS and allow, in your imagination, the possibility that there could be ANY legitimacy to the desires of the political opposition?😂 (Edited to be less polemic in goalposts 5/10/22)

@makslargu5799

Жыл бұрын

@@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS lol have you not seen that absolute Melon Georgia they elected in Italy? Or even the election of bong bong Marcos in the Philippines recently? Or Modi’s election a few years back? Crazy that you’re so unaware of historical and current events.

@enemywithin1295

Жыл бұрын

@@makslargu5799 Newsflash: completely different countries with completely different political and cultural histories vote differently to the UK

@danteshydratshirt2360

Жыл бұрын

@@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS so being Left wing is being extreme?

She has thin skin. Can't tolerate the slightest challenge in a debate.

She doesn't think it's important to talk about thousands of members, she doesn't think it's right to talk about individuals. She's the sort of shifty politician that encourages people to think 'they're all the same'.

@Ghengiskhansmum

Жыл бұрын

She doesn't think because someone else does that for her.

@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS

Жыл бұрын

@@Ghengiskhansmum ...aren't you in favor of collectivism?

@coldworld5

Жыл бұрын

Why have the Tories been on top for so long? Who have normal working class people turned their backs on the Labour Party? Give me an answer.

"I'd be left wing if it didn't cost anything"

@makslargu5799

Жыл бұрын

I’d be left wing if government didn’t provide so many personal enrichment opportunities

I think she's out with the fairies

I can't be fd with Labour any more. I'm a green now and the happier for it.

“Owned”, “destroyed”, “smashed” are all hype terms that negate debate. It is a tradition within Labour. It has always been so. Ignorance is no excuse either, and purges are shameful.

@danteshydratshirt2360

Жыл бұрын

actually those words are used to promote clicks rather than stifle debate

what frightens me is that we couldn't need a hard left socialist solution more than we do right now, but what Labour is, is corporate 'newlabour' AF and they won't fix anything.... and its so freaking depressing.

@coldworld5

Жыл бұрын

Where does / has a far left socialist government ever worked?

@belindamay8063

Жыл бұрын

@satyasyasatyasya. With the Left so incapable of working together, we couldn’t even run an ice-cream van - let alone a government. Tempers have to cool. That means private “armies” of inflamed flankers ( like Owen and his Irregulars) have to take a back-seat. Drop the guerilla mentality. Learn the skills required in the running of a fair and democratic state. Study the successes of the past.

Yup. Throwing out all of the popular policies which drove labour to have one of the largest membership bases in Europe sounds like the right way to go Jess!

@waynereid9471

Жыл бұрын

Do you remember the last election? It was that long ago

@johnnyb1310

Жыл бұрын

@@waynereid9471 I do unfortunately. I just didn't think it was the policies that was the problem though.

@M2Mil7er

Жыл бұрын

@@waynereid9471 do you remember 2017 when Labour got 40% of the vote, took May's majority, despite apparently every billionaire on earth compelling their media chums and party plants to get everyone to hate JC, and his "unpopular policies", bringing JC within 2.5k votes of power? Do you remember the right of the party, and their bogus 'People's Vote' campaign to push JC towards a 2nd referendum (the only major difference between the '17 and '19 manifestos), which lost The Red Wall. If you want want to be informed of the real things happening in the party around that time, you need to watch 'The Labour Files', a recently aired documentary series, that exposes the largest data leak in British political history, and the findings of the Forde Inquiry, which exposes the manner in which the right of the party operated to remove, and undermine him.

@M2Mil7er

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyb1310 true, see my reply to him (which you're most likely already aware of).

@daveruda

Жыл бұрын

@@waynereid9471 it wasnt a proper election with politicies in focus. It was a Brexit vote and the rightwing media had a total grip on that

She is left wing in her head. I feel I'm.a centrist but apparently I am now hard left. She is a great self publicist. The reason we didn't win those elections was partly down to mps like Phillips.

@belindamay8063

Жыл бұрын

@patcampton. Thank you, O Wise-One. Why do we pay for political analysts when we can get this for free ?

She's loathsome and the clip makes it absolutely clear that she knows she cannot defend the position.

@brianmmacu

Жыл бұрын

Hence the overly defensive hysterical laughing from her

@PortilloMoment

Жыл бұрын

@@brianmmacu Why am I reminded of Kenneth Williams in 'Carry on Screaming'?

I had not seen that clip but I saw it all over twitter, now I've watched it, kind of embarassing really isn't it? She just avoided the actual questions and treated you with utter contempt, which in itself aswers the question doesn't it.

She never answered anything. Typical right wing

@sneedchuckington

Жыл бұрын

"will you commit to nationalise all things regardless of the consequences?" Well no I'm not going to commit to that. "Ha! Gotcha you right winger!"

@WillyJunior

Жыл бұрын

@@sneedchuckington exactly

@jlomax6467

Жыл бұрын

@@sneedchuckington He said water or energy, not 'all things'. Any self respecting left winger would of course wish to have public ownership of these essential commodities. Clearly Jess Phillips and the other centre-right Labour politicians don't have any strong principles, like most neoliberal capitalists, and just kowtow to the establishment. It's pathetic actually for a so-called Labour MP.

Her arrogant, flippant, condescending and sarcastic attitude/manner, is exactly why I would never vote for her irrespective of her political positioning.

200,000 people gone and that doesn't seem to bother her the slightest. So playful and cheeky. It would be funny if I had not watched the Labour Files.

Didn’t answer Owen’s question at all, she just verbally manoeuvred herself around it to avoid being exposed

@lyricbot8513

Жыл бұрын

"I'd nationalise your mum" made me burst out laughing

@KrypTehEdits

Жыл бұрын

No she answered the questions but just because she wasn’t spewing far left rhetoric you wasn’t listening 😂 and I don’t even like her or labour

@keithparker1346

Жыл бұрын

@@KrypTehEdits if you call those answers proper answers and not word salads

The smug look when she walked away like she can't even contain her happiness that Labour lost in 2019.

@daisywalsh4523

Жыл бұрын

She's on film on the night not containing her happiness that Labour lost.

@bruhbruh2290

Жыл бұрын

everyone is glad they lost in 2019

@Nazhussain07

Жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh2290 Yeah because everything is so great now 👍🏽

@bruhbruh2290

Жыл бұрын

@@Nazhussain07 world wide inflation? after world wide pandemic? world wide bankruptcy? world wide shortages of everything people need in every day life? yes that's the fault of a tiny island like the, get over yourself. did you know where is a world outside of it right?

@MrKbonez

Жыл бұрын

@@Nazhussain07 We would be in a worse state if Labour had won.

Have some herbal tea, Owen, you need it.

Proud to not be a Labour member, proud to be an anarchist and socialist

@thecount3965

Жыл бұрын

Cool, have fun with another 20 years of Tory then

Certainly Labour currently is living in its own cozy bubble.

if Jess worked as hard avoiding answering questions, as she could looking out for left that Jess clams to be part of, then all 200.000 supporters might not of moved on.

@bruhbruh2290

Жыл бұрын

200k people left because labour are too far left. easy.

@chrisgriffin698

Жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh2290 easy the other way around but whatever.

@jamesvapour9460

Жыл бұрын

200k blue haird radicals. They won't be missed.

@mark4asp

Жыл бұрын

"answering questions"

@bruhbruh2290

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisgriffin698 you know its not though.

Hope you're ok Owen. Sound as if you've caught the conference cold, like myself. Solidarity ✊

@danteshydratshirt2360

Жыл бұрын

maybe smoking 2 packs of cigs a day - he sounds rough here

Liar, liar, pants on fire !! Absolute disgrace

I fully agree with you Owen, My politics say if Public services don't work you try to reform, or demolish and rebuild if needed, the Labour Right will take easy wins tinkering around the edges and will slowly and slightly improve things over a longer period. The Minimum Wage and Working Tax Credits are an example of this tinkering around the edges where Work failed to pay.

@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc

Жыл бұрын

Labour won't do even that. Just like the rest of ex social democrat, now fully mild neoliberals with a thin progressive makeup they`ll keep everything as it is.

@basfinnis

Жыл бұрын

Yes, PPI being a great achievement 🙄

@Bowleskov

Жыл бұрын

@@basfinnis you mean PFI and yes this is exactly one of those labour right wing flaws, where in Chasing the economic reputation of the Tories they adopt these way in which wealth can be extracted.

I feel like at the moment there is no one for me too vote for. I have never voted Tory and I don't recognize Labour anymore. If vote Green I may as well not vote because it won't matter.

@David-rr2bt

Жыл бұрын

I know how you feel Gareth..I’m voting TUSC, because for me they resemble what Labour should be.I know they will lose but for me I would rather lose with dignity than to win with shame

@b00ts4ndc4ts

Жыл бұрын

@@David-rr2bt it feels like the Titanic going down eh? And there's nothing you can do. All of you that voted Tory in 2019, well-done.

@David-rr2bt

Жыл бұрын

@@b00ts4ndc4ts yeah bro we need to find a life boat and get the hell off this sinking ship..and please don’t get me started on all those supposedly Labour voters who voted Tory back in 2019,like I said We lost but we’re walking around with dignity while they won but they’re hanging their heads in shame

@b00ts4ndc4ts

Жыл бұрын

@@David-rr2bt mate I hope we both get in the same lifeboat ✌️

@David-rr2bt

Жыл бұрын

@@b00ts4ndc4ts you and me both brother 🙏🏾👍🏾

She was left until she seen how expensive it is to live in London

If that's owning someone, then I must own a mansion somewhere!

I will never have a drop of warmth for Jess Phillips as long as I live. We see through you Jess

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

But look at that smile on her face.... she's just living her best life... leave the poor woman alone.. she's having a whale of a time...

It must, frankly, be so exhausting trying to engage with what passes for a politician and for that you will always have my respect Owen.

@belindamay8063

Жыл бұрын

@geaseball. Shouting challenging remarks in a crowded corridor isn’t debate. It’s a noisy, pointless skirmish - a hit-and-run. Owen’s favourite showcase. That’s what he is - a marauder .( I would say for entertainment purposes only. ) He only defines himself by taking swift pot-shots at others. That’s not a philosophy. But it gets an audience. What a waste !

@perrymason866

Жыл бұрын

@@belindamay8063 I’ve only recently started watching owen jones stuff but he is very clear about how he defines himself and his political beliefs. Other than “electable” - how does the right-wing of the Labour Party define itself? Other than “Anti-Woke” and “Not Labour” how does the Conservative Party currently define itself? Your critique just seems off the mark to me - I could be wrong, obviously.

The Murdoch's Karen, more like.

Jess Phillips is really out here wanting a cookie because the Labour party let a journalist into their party conference.

She's like a weird auntie.

I like Jess - but she was dodging the points Owen was making. In office, she would be just another dim right-winger. We shall see . . . . .

@danteshydratshirt2360

Жыл бұрын

well judging from that shes an obvious sell-out

It looked like it was the other way round. She literally showed herself up to be on the right of the Labour party, for sure.

Jess Philips is why I no longer support the Labour party. They are now full of side tracking BS as much as the Conservatives. It's not that she's not 'left wing' or to the 'right'. It's because she's knows exactly what Owen is getting at but won't say it out in the open, and this is reflected in policy. With people like her, and I find her annoyingly attention seeking too, things will not change structurally. Any gains for the working class will be superficial.

In what planet did Jess Philips come out on top? Obviously the same one where Kay burley got the better of Mick lynch

Should be entitled: "Jess Phillips destroys Owen Jones' voice.".

@OwenJonesTalks

Жыл бұрын

🤣

Owen, firstly before you put your argument, you might like to acknowledge, Jess's, then you might find your journalist interview skills skyrocket? 'So, Jess, I entirely understand why you want to win the election and you feel it's more sensible to be non-commital Jess, nevertheless...are you suggesting you won't actually change anything when you get into power...because it sounds like that?

@peterwright5311

Жыл бұрын

Being sensible and non-commital do not require declarations of war on the left wing of the party do they? Why ignore the elephant in the room?

❤ you and your work Owen! So glad you can laugh at this. Keep it up brother! Love❤

Honestly, Labour is not and never has been a broad church. The left want the party to go further left, the centerists want the party to go further to the centre - you cannot reconcile those two points of view because there is no point of compromise. However the bottom line is that labour are more electable now than 2019 whether you like it or not. Wil I be voting Labour? Nope, but my priorities have been remain, green economy, well funded and fair public services, greater equality, and most important electoral reform and it is only through electoral reform can we all get what we want and neither Corbyn nor starmer offered that. Best thing that can happen for the left is introduction of PR and then the party can split and still matter.

@markwelch3564

Жыл бұрын

@DoubtingThomas interesting plan. I can see it working,but it is high-stakes dangerous if it doesn't!

@danteshydratshirt2360

Жыл бұрын

more electable for a non existent election....nearly 2 years to go...lots can change and I predict Teh Tories will get their act together and Labour will be f--ked

I've heard more authenticity, depth and insight listening to a washing machine rinse cycle than Jess Phillips.

@makslargu5799

Жыл бұрын

@Glyn Mellor that’s unfair to washer rinse cycles! Truss is much more like a garbage disposal loud, foul smelling, and pointlessly dangerous.

@danteshydratshirt2360

Жыл бұрын

@Glyn Mellor amazingly theres this concept that criticism of Labour does not mean you support the Tories

I would vote for Jess for PM tomorrow if I have the chance, but that's more a statement about the piss poor other options available. She's hardly a visionary, and the inconsistency between her messaging that she's most concerned with her local consituents so how would she know about national opinion, while also espousing that Labour need to be nationally electable so Labour need to remain centrist-right in policy, is deeply aggravating.

Using the argument of 'the economy' to decide policy is essentially right wing. Do what is morally right and the economy becomes your servant, not your master.

"he doesn't live rent free in my head" when in doubt, use gen-Z memespeak

Surprised she found the time to attend the Labour Party conference what with her 5th autobiography on the go and all the fashion shoots she's asked to do!

Actions NOT words!

You are awesome. Thank you. This is great. You owned her In my oppinion. Shes great at side tracking and deflecting.

@tomspinach2368

Жыл бұрын

"Shes" "oppinion", lol, i bet everyone cares for your "opinion" Christine, at least you spelt your own name right.

@lyricbot8513

Жыл бұрын

@@tomspinach2368 ratio

@tomspinach2368

Жыл бұрын

@@lyricbot8513 >RATIO >KZread DOESN'T SHOW THE DOWN VOTES

Like a bad actor playing a passive aggressive person

What timeline is this?

The Labour right vs left argument sounds more like the difference between practicality and ideology. No doubt that ideology will always have a place in the culture of a party, but it doesn't win general elections (as we will see with Liz Truss)

Won't nationalise utilities because it doesn't please everyone but will stick with the privatised profiteers because it pleases who? She is dreadful.

JP should do one, and join another party..!

I think this exchange demonstrates the need for proportional representation. In almost every other job, people with different views have to work together. UK politics desperately needs this. But in the flawed system we have, in order to win, you have to try and appeal to the people most likely to vote and help you win at first past the post. And the centre ground is where you win in this system. Do I like it? No, not always. But until we have a different system, that is where the battle is. Most people (broadly) fall in the centre ground for politics. To introduce PR under our current system, I don't think you can win on that electoral platform. If it were me, I would campaign on what I know would get me the votes I needed to win under FPTP and then introduce PR once in so that next time, FPTP is gone. People can then scream at me all they like, but the law would be changed and it would very difficult for one-party rule to continue. It could even make politicians think beyond the next election cycle and plan ahead on things like, environment, energy, healthcare, transport etc.

Spends more time trying to evade a direct answer than actually reading about what other people in her party are doing and thinking.

Getting dejavu It's becoming a tradition between Owen and Jess to have a spat at every labour conference lol

She just doesn't care

you didn't destroy her she just kept digging herself a hole.

"200,000 members have left" "hahahaha".

The pigeon/chess thing personified

Talk about shining a light Owen...well done!

@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS

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I'm puzzled why you don't see this as JP humiliating Owen? I saw this conversation as one between naive idealism for 'purity' and JP's harsh blackpills that Owen seems to have never tasted before....

You really were not being destroyed there and you were spot on in the points you were trying to make. I hate that people are trying to gaslight you into thinking otherwise. Jess was dodging the questions or wilfully misunderstanding.

@WillyJunior

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Yeah nah, he got destroyed. What Owen doesn't realise is that you can be left wing without being an unrealistic, utopian radical leftist. Britain isn't dumb enough to buy into the far left stuff, so Jess is completely correct at the start. What even is the point of saying someone's "on the right" when they're left wing. It makes no sense.

@Ma55ey

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I wouldn't say destroyed... more steam rolled by someone who could give two fucks.... lol

Do you belive labeling people who are Labour members / Labour supporters is correct Owen? I see when your point is by saying Jess Philips sits on the right but shouldn't we just accept each others views? We vote as Labour members on many things but no matter whether we vote for one thing or another we should be pulling together in unity to defeat the tories. Let's stop the infighting, all of us need to pull together and then we will make great things happen

@danteshydratshirt2360

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Let's stop the infighting - ask yourself who is actually doing the fighting? its the labour right

"I spend all my time fighting for people that have nothing blablabla" * C I T A T I O N N E E D E D *

Starmer's "advisers" have told him to appeal to the middle class and the sunmailexpressegraph owners.

Jess "I'm left wing when it's easy" Phillips.

She is right though, you can't change anything if people don't vote for you.

@lyricbot8513

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and no one *is* going to vote for her, at this rate

@moochoman9948

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@@lyricbot8513 have you not seen the polls? Or would you sooner a Tory be in?

Her point about not being able to affect change if you aren't in power is not a daft one, and one that Labour knows well, not having been in power for more than a decade now.

I would have said that it would be better to define what Jess Philips calls "the hard left" and which policies are so despicable... I find people struggle to define it in a way that doesn't expose their awful views...

@Cockermadman

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I'll define hard left, they want pie in the sky, that no country can afford, they want to tax the life out of anybody that earns more than themselves ( I'm retired on a pittance, before you think I'm a high earner). The working man 40years in steel rolling Mills) has rejected hard left Labour.

@MINDYOUROWNBUISINESS

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Thats actually easy to answer as an outsider and moderate, and the fact that you don't see that makes me want to tell you that your positions may be more 'extreme' than you realize. If just one person says that to you? Sure, shrug it off. But am I? I can translate what she said - enough people don't want Corbin, don't want to be the EU, and don't want to be collectivized as rival interest groups rather than individuals, if you needed the talking points that are beyond what a moderate lefty could stomach. I suspect that you think anything right of Corbin is 'awful' however, and you aren't able to hold a conversation with someone who considers themselves moderate (socially liberal, fiscally conservative, actually)

@MrKbonez

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"Awful views"... lmao Men cannot become women. You can't force people to share or even "be kind" to each other. All you can do is mitigate the worst of our tendencies. Your utopia will never exist. Grow a spine.

Jess: "Unlike you (Owen), I would have to look at how these things affect the economy". Translation: "I'm responsible, you live in dreamland". Why bother having elections then, if the politicians know best and we're all just peons ?

Jesse walked away when cornerd.of course she is right! Well done Owen😁❤️

What would be the difference in stance between a Labour centrist and someone on the right of the Labour Party? Or do the people on the right of the party consider themselves centrists?

Jess Phillips looks like Birmingham's version of David Bowie... a Brummie Bowie

Broad Church? No it’s a party that overspends and never seems to be fiscally responsible. One day it should gets its act together.

Why do we have to use language like owns and destroys, particularly in capitals, its really unhealthy and unhelpful?

1 in 3, 2019 Labour voters won't vote for Starmers right wing Labour party according to the latest yougov poll

@waynereid9471

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Wow , this must mean Labour are doing really bad in the Polls Oh wait 🤔🤔🤔

@Sealia77

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It doesn't matter now those who voted Tory are going to vote for New Labour/Tory Lite instead.

Moon on a stick? Either Jess is calling nationalisation fantastical and unrealistic or she doesn’t understand how solar power works.

What a horrendous individual she is.

I bow down to the courage and wisdom that owen jones has, and I thank him for doing it for us > A true civil servant

The subtext to what Jess Phillips is saying is, ‘if I and the Labour shadow cabinet need to be further to the right, politically, of Atilla the Hun, in order to get elected, then so be it.”

The only party that does what it says it will is the SNP!

I like your honesty in this situation Owen. Keep calling out the awful far right Tory MPs. I am not a member of the Labour Party but loathe the extremism we have in this government.

That smirk on her face when Corbyn lost.. Then she realised the camera was on her. Wouldnt trust it to nip out for a pint of milk.