In an early aside in the game Tina mentions that Paladin Mike is being played (presumably remotely) by some "nerdy barista" who had sent her the figurine. Since it's the same voice actor as Lorelei in B3, and since Lorelei was a barista before being recruited by Rhys, that's another connection.

@MrResources

2 жыл бұрын

It also sounds like her as well, especially the "Open The Door" comment she made.

@unprofesional_tw1820

2 жыл бұрын

It also make a call back to her first side mission which is to supply coffee to the atlas defence army, additionally explaining why her coffee is so specific rather than just being “coffee”

@kujo4388

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody caressssd

@adambejarano1592

2 жыл бұрын

Paladin Mike isn't being played remotely by Lorelei, she just says that she met Lorelei and borrowed the character for her campaign.

@BigSexyBlackMans

2 жыл бұрын

@@kujo4388 well you came here to say it, so you must care too

Maybe a minor spoiler after the end credit, you go back to talk to Izzy about changing your class and your character is confused about that, and she says that "They're all in a game" played by "The giant in the skies". She almost seem like the only one that seem to be sentient about it.

@dragoonleashing3641

2 жыл бұрын

She also mentions she saw our character talking to the sky giants about the game so thats how she put it together

@loganwebb5086

2 жыл бұрын

I had izzy talk to me in a demonic voice once I didn't think much of it until now.

@KouriRyu

2 жыл бұрын

I've broken the fourth wall and had a character call out players all the time as a DM. Tina's insane. Doesn't mean there's anything magically meta about the game.

@jonnw

2 жыл бұрын

I also have a vague memory of her saying that thinking about it being a game helps her forget about all the blood on her hands. Is that just me?

@truekurayami

2 жыл бұрын

@@KouriRyu The universe of Borderlands itself means there is something magically meta about the game, what exactly is still the question. Could it be one of Mancubus' deals like the video suggests, could it be something involving the sirens, could it be something about Tina herself? We won't know until the devs of the series confirms it either directly or through in-game details.

I feel the sword of souls is the item that gives things souls. They always talk about how the dragon lords energy is the same that tina puts into her worlds. Also at the end when the sword of souls pierces the sky the real characters see it and are confused.

One thing to go along with this is that The Lodge shows Salvador among its banned persons. Salvador has canonically never left Pandora, meaning The Lodge has been to Pandora at some point. However, I disagree that the Overworld, D'ryl or the Fearamyd is what Mancubus gave to Tina. I think it was the whole set itself. We see when Tina throws D'ryl on the board that the Manual has a page for him, meaning Mancubus didn't just give her a figure - unless both the manual AND figure came from Mancubus. I think he gave Tina the whole set - and not for a trade, but because he recognized her innocence and loneliness. After all, when he sends us to retrieve the Nibblenomicon, it's not for a trade or to Unleash evil, it's to improve the wedding festivities. Mancubus isn't the devil, trading and making deals in his favor, he's Lovecraftian, granting chaotic boons.

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

Is not the Devil, is a man succubus...

@SSD_Penumbra

2 жыл бұрын

Mancubus does both resemble physically and characteristically a character from the Lovecraftian mythos. He may be a reference to Nyarlathotehp, the Crawling Chaos. He's just this nebulous entity that gives....things to be people.

@scottjones2926

2 жыл бұрын

I think you may be onto something with the idea that the whole kit came from Mancubus... it's true D'ryl is in the manual, but so is The Dragon Lord and he's Tina's own creation, so would be in an official manual

@Toughbiscuit_

2 жыл бұрын

@@victoriaabrilvazquez9863 a male succubus is an incubus though

@nathanielgarza9198

2 жыл бұрын

The lodge has rules. Like keeping his bargain throughing his best wedding or helping you fight a giant vault god heart to punish his threat to the lodge If Mancubus made a deal it was probably out of these rules

That makes sense. The fact that the dragon lord and izzy were sentient made me confused. That said you didn't mention that izzy knows they're in a board game. She says as much after you beat the dragon lord.

@taylorgarrett793

2 жыл бұрын

yea like when she mentions the towering sky gods ( or something like that) maybe it has to do with the whole soul energy thing

@unrated16

2 жыл бұрын

@@taylorgarrett793 the players are the towering sky gods

@nightmareTomek

2 жыл бұрын

xD I don't think they're sentient. Tina just split her personality a little bit and that's where the pieces went...

@dykemoder

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightmareTomek izzy IS sentient. she says so at the end of the game. she, on her own, notices the players and realizes she’s in a game that she has no control over

@nightmareTomek

2 жыл бұрын

@@dykemoder That's what Tina wants you gullible folk to believe!! It's why she made izzy say that in the first place. I love how you people jump to conclusions...

This would make sense because when I was doing a chaos chamber run in the loot room I had gotten a armor referencing Gythian

@sheaffer117

2 жыл бұрын

Badass

@ellay1306

2 жыл бұрын

I got one named Gythian's Tongue!

@ChadAF_YT

Жыл бұрын

Gythians tongue!!!!

I think it might be the book, there are characters in it that she created yet didn't draw herself, and she added little notes to the pages also the entire world is in there so I think that might be what she got from him

I kind of wish the dragon lord was trying to find a way to become real it's obvious that he was becoming self-sentient like he knows he's a bunkers and badass character maybe there was like a eridium tech like an amulet that creates fictional things to life.

@profpuffofficial2

2 жыл бұрын

I like this

@noahdean9685

2 жыл бұрын

@@profpuffofficial2 thank you

@huntress5066

2 жыл бұрын

I wish they revealed he was a player as well, sitting at the table

@alyshacoe2082

2 жыл бұрын

Im betting my chips on a 'cursed dice'

@noahdean9685

2 жыл бұрын

@@alyshacoe2082 that's more fitting a pair of curse dices I didn't think of that.

Cool find lol, I thought Tina just wrote the dragon lord like that on purpose to provide a plot twist in the story. Either way his character was pretty funny, enjoyed.

@mattdelson3264

2 жыл бұрын

I just thought he embodied the part of her that still doubts herself.

@jonnw

2 жыл бұрын

We can't forget that Tina is weird, if not bordering on insane. She could have made up (and maybe partially believed) the whole thing about the Dragon Lord being a sentient prisoner in her game loop. Her boyfriend was a bug in a jar, after all.

This is a pretty good theory and I could definitely see this happening

@amberarcher9256

2 жыл бұрын

This is true

I'm guessing that the cursed item is probably Tina's hat. Sense she doesn't appear to have it in the other Boarderlands games.

@Reegor

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno, if it was anything I’m thinking it’s the sword of souls

@necromancer0616

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reegor In the story it seemed that Tina and the other two already knew about the sword of souls.

@Biscuit-1337

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reegor i don't think it's the sword of souls because Roland used that as an item in his game when he introduced Tina to B&B (revealed in the ending).

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

@@necromancer0616 because they played the campaign before... The beginning of the game is them finishing it... Then they decide to play again, and the game begins...

I had this feeling while playing through the game that there was a never ending story kinda thing going on.

I really hope for three things to come in the dlc's 1: we get an explanation on we things are coming alive in the BNB 2: we get to see Tina grow up between dlc's and get hints at the upcoming war 3: this one is a wishlist item but I want a pirate class so I can have a dogfish as a pet because Holy crap was I excited when I first saw one (also working on a stat block and mini to use in my own dnd games lol)

@petervelcro4609

2 жыл бұрын

nice pal really using 100% of ya brain

@sternguard8283

2 жыл бұрын

It’s possible, the fourth one is supposed to have a new class, it’s in the season pass description

@lethalritz1981

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes the war

@Klyttorius

2 жыл бұрын

@@petervelcro4609 Nobody is using 100% of their brain.

@Hex387

Жыл бұрын

​@@Klyttorius everyone is

I was wondering this as well. In the Chaos Chamber if you get lucky and get a run where you solve all 3 rune puzzles to face the 3 raid bosses, Tina is fought after you beat the initial three and she's called The Maker. However, she has a much more darker tone about her and seems throughout the boss fights to be actively encouraging her creations to kill you for even finding the areas where her raid bosses reside.

Personally I hope the dragon lord somehow make a return in the next borderlands game him and Tina meeting seems really interesting

@kaptainkoala8476

2 жыл бұрын

The dragonlord is tina’s bunkers and badasses character. The lorekeeper is Roland, who originally taught her the game.

@jackmuir6249

2 жыл бұрын

How would this even be possible 🤦‍♂️

@danzanares

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackmuir6249 easy between the supernatural, alien/vault tec, or a going into Tina mind mind or b like jack make an ai

@jackmuir6249

2 жыл бұрын

@@danzanares personally can’t see it happening I feel like this will be a one time thing they won’t address bunkers and badasses after this in the main games maybe only subtle nods to it

What if the price for Izzy is the cursed one? Like it's not actually a piece but Mancubus's daughter or some other family member turned into a statue and since she is related to him she is what's bringing the wonderlands to life? Like her own lodge. The Wonderlands provides in it's own ways like an escape or vacation from reality. Edit: I just thought of the sword of souls being the cursed piece as well especialy since the story in a way centered around it.

@godsplayingfield

2 жыл бұрын

i could easily see her being mancubus's daughter and willingly being a part of Tina's BnB campaigns. probs seen enough "real" worlds with normal logic (as normal as borderlands gets anyway) and went to Tina's board as a way to experience worlds and people that otherwise couldnt ever exist. to her Tina's life time could be incredibly short so passing the years in the board wouldnt seem that long to her, even during the years Tina doesnt play it, to basically be a nice little vacation before returning to running an actual bar or helping out at the lodge.

Apart from the possibility it could be a coincidence it would be something interesting to see mancubus could have a large part in the overall story having connections to practically everyone

@gypdarin1458

2 жыл бұрын

Yep yep, there was a thought, a discussion, excitement, and then a specific Borderlands Universe encompassing vision. I can see him narrating Borderlands 4.

People who never played borderlands 3 dlc be like "who is mancubus?"

@unprofesional_tw1820

2 жыл бұрын

Arin Hanson

@ianashmore9910

2 жыл бұрын

They be missing out. Mancubus is probably my favorite npc.

@FleshWizard69420

2 жыл бұрын

He's a fat guy from Doom

honestly id love it if in bl4 they make one of the characters is a robot who you slowly realize is actually the dragon lord or some important character like if they had the dragon lord maybe his melee could be the sword

About what you said in the beginning, about how we probably won’t care because the events are fictional in an already fictional universe. I think that can actually play to a stories strengths, it’s not about stakes and world ending plots. It’s a fun romp through a fantasy world, a safe space, given to us to enjoy. Even if it’s fictional our emotions, our adventures, and our relationships is the fun of things like DnD and video games. These aren’t real adventures, but when we put effort and care into them, they become worth just as much.

@neroblackstone4350

2 жыл бұрын

Anything with Will Arnett is safe enough for me to be in🥵

@an_arbitrary_firefly1750

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno man, I don't need every piece of Borderlands content to be about vaults or the Eridians, but the doubly fictional nature of TTAoDK and Wonderlands just makes me not care at all. Maybe if they weren't constantly narrated by the actual Bunkers and Badasses players I'd be more invested (if Battleborn turned out to be a book/videogame in the Borderlands universe I'd still care about its characters and lore, for example). I guess it's just a matter of taste.

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

@@neroblackstone4350 damn! Lego Batman, Bojack Horseman & Gob bluth! 🤣 He is f*cking awesome!

this is actually pretty smart, turthfully, i want to see the Dragon Lord again, he was so cool and so funny all throughout the game, and he probably could return somehow im sure, would be cool

it would be really interesting if in the last dlc for wonderlands the mancubus inn shows up in the game and he interacts with izzy and our character. i mean if his inn is magic/cursed then it would make sense it could show up anywhere sentience is.... they could have our character rest in it and have this be the last dlc with after credits of our character waking up in the real world and seeing some known current characters in the future, possibly an older tina..... that could be a good way to introduce our custom character as the newest vault hunter and possibly the final one we get that sticks around for future games, i mean a fatemaker would be a nice thing to have around in the big war that's on the horizon.. and since our character would still be based on the wonderlands mechanics we could always get new classes and abilities in future games and our warped view of how things work could alter how grenades work.... possibly making them spells.... if i remember right, in the fantastic fustercluck dlc our guns were mentioned to be real enough to bring out of Kriegs mind, because to our character they were real things and as long as we believed them to be real beyond a doubt, then we could keep them, so the powers we have in wonderlands could be in a similar boat.... just an interesting theory that if done and explained well could easily be a true thing they do... It would open up a lot of options for future games and the story since our character could truly alter the fate of everything with those abilities and have a strong effect on how reality works, at least for them.... it would be interesting how this could interact with the rule of the sirens too.... but i'll leave that for everyone to make their own theory's on.

@exiledpain6

2 жыл бұрын

It likely wouldn't be Your character the fate maker since they would have to create a canonical look for it. The dragon lord might make more sense.

@Enzelon

2 жыл бұрын

@@exiledpain6 they could go with the gray non painted look they used in the trailers, just a blank slate..... then we can just customize them again.

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

@@Enzelon blank slate... It would get 10% more xp... 😉

@fuzzynubbins7700

2 жыл бұрын

@@victoriaabrilvazquez9863 you know the one you get around level cap or is it possible to get a early level variant

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

@@fuzzynubbins7700 I don't know, I found my first when I was in the chaos chamber at lvl40

There's also the matter of Izzy's postgame dialogue, where she talks about the events of the game's climax, how she saw Valentine, Tina, Frette, and, supposedly, Newbie. Izzy has gained as much sentience as Dragon Lord has it would seem, meaning it's *spreading*.

I actually think tina might be the one who is cursed her self because if you fight the secret final boss of the dungeons by doing Tina's puzzles in the encounters her whole dialogue and purple dark magic like silhouette in that fight really just makes her look completely cursed

I think its the soulsword. Every time an character grabs it, something wierd happen. The dragonlord becomes a second game master and our character gets his own will.

@blackmark2899

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't be. The Sword of Souls is a pre established weapon in the base game. The Dragon Lord earned it when Tina played as a player (DL was called Dragon Knight back then).

@MasterofPlaste

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackmark2899 but the dl gets an consciousness befor wonderlands. He remembering anything what happens before and have feelings about what tina has done to him. He talks about the notetaker and all before, but details and emotions in his story came after he grabs the sword

@blackmark2899

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterofPlaste that doesn't necessarily mean that he got his conciousness the moment he got the sword. He could still have the memory and had gotten his self awareness later. We know Tina built the Wonderlands well before she began her first session as a Bunker Master, DL says as much in his scrolls so whatever Tina got that gave DL his conciousness, could happened when she first made the Wonderlands.

I loved BL3 love and tentacles, as well as the creepy but awfully helpful Mancubus. I hope we see him more in the future while diving more into the supernatural side of Borderlands

Love these videos man

when we first enter the overworld, it refers to the game as a living game board. overall I definitely feel mancubus has dealt with tina, and it makes sense that whatever he gave is the reason her B&B is so interactive

Throughout the game I was wondering why the Dragon Lord has sentience, but the game never explained so I started doing my own research.I ended up here and I absolutely love this whole theory

I love the theory of the connection to Mancubus! Such a cool idea! I had the same thought about Tiny being active on the EchoNet and meeting any number of people that way, including Mancubus.

Tiny Tina in her cave: this campaign is gonna be awesome! A little bit of magic there, some explosives here and lots and lots of loot Suddenly Outside her cave she hears a weird sound, like an octopus exploding then imploding Tiny Tina: who’s out there! I swear if you come any closer I will blow this cave to kingdom com!!! Walking from around the corner, comes a thin fellow in a dark suit, crying black ichor from his shark like eyes: fear not dear Tina, I have come for a simple trade. Tina: what do want smelly skelly telly man? You want explosives?, bombs!? Or explosives bunnies?!? Well too bad I’m making a campaign right now. Manncubus: hmmmmm Bunkers and Badasses…I seeeeee, how about this (from behind his back he brings out a large pyramid structure and a book), this pyramid’s name is hard to pronounce but I always call it the “fearamid” it’s has the power to create anything you want in this fantasy world but you’ll need this book (the book he holds looks dusty and old yet at the same time untouched by time) this tome will be the blue print and source for your world. As an aspiring GM you will need this. Tiny Tina drooling from her mouth with excitement and joy quickly shakes he head and attempts to appear professional: that will do cubus, so what do need in return? Manncubus: I need an explosive, a bomb that can crack the skies! But be as quiet as whisper…. Tiny Tina: Criptick…I like it, give me a week and I’ll make it for you. Manncubus: goood good, the lodge will appreciate your kind gesture and I shall give you these items as…a down payment. I must warn you, these… items have some unique after effects. Tiny Tina: yeah yeah yeah (barely listening) too squeak, I get it. Manncubus: see you soon Tina, by the way Roland says hi Tiny tina whirls around: what did you- (but finds Manncubus to be gone, no tracks no sound just gone)

@nathanduke4829

2 жыл бұрын

If this theory is true, then this conversation is canon to me.

You mentioned that Mancubus was in a "Lovecraftian" DLC but didn't even mention that Dry'l, and the entire part of the dried up ocean where the coiled reside, is full of literal bits of the language Lovecraft came up with for the Cthulhu mythos.

This channel has some crazy borderlands theories and I love it. I had a feeling that the dragon lord had some complex reason behind his almost realistic sentience, but this is like 1000x better than any theory that I could whip up.

I think the purple crystals also have some to do with it, as to me they look like they are eridium. What we know from their lore of the borderline series has some strange properties in can cause some strange anomalies in reality.

If this theory were to become true, then maybe in the next Borderlands game the classes in Wonderlands may be ACTUAL classes to use.

I've been playing wonderlands since it came out on steam, and I noticed something particularly weird about the Dragon Lord (spoilers, btw) in regards to Bones Three-wood and LeChance. He calls Tina out for not having their backstory figured out and improvising (calling her dropping of accents a dead giveaway), but when Tina mentions that they were cursed by him, suddenly he recalls that he cursed them to undeath, and he seemingly has no qualms with the fact that. It could just be fore-shadowing that in the climax, there's a struggle between him and her, but it leaves the impression that even though he has some degree of autonomy, there's a subtle touch that Tina has as the BM that even he cannot realize has been acted upon.

Izzy has that accent because of a pun. She's a "mini soda" seller with a "Minnesota" accent, don't ya know?

the fact that dragon lord can talk to player directly without the rest of the characters hearing is also interesting dos the Newby have something to do with it or is it part of the supposed cursed item?

Some of the Graveborn's armor also references Gythian. While potentially just a Borderlands wink wink nudge nudge thing, it could help add to this connection.

Checks out! I love these lore videos you do, great channel ✌🏼

also I'd say the Sword of Souls is a pretty good canidate for the "cursed" item that you speak of

@ultimatestuff7111

2 жыл бұрын

I’d say that could be correct because of the laser beam at the end

This was WAY FUNNIER than I thought. Thanks for the awesome theory.

I really like this theory. Great video!

don't forget, izzy also gains sentience after the campaign when she shows you how to multiclass. doubt it but it'd be a twist if this is how more Vault hunters are made for the war. or more likely if there's a point we revisit wonderlands like going into tinas mind similar to claptastic voyage

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

Glitch weapons will always be the best... That's why in BL3 there are a few weapons with random bonuses at reload...

@invisiblediscos9412

2 жыл бұрын

@@victoriaabrilvazquez9863 I totally forgot about glitch weapons. Mate they should have made more DLC cause farming those glitches was like farming hybrids in 1. It was just so rare and the guns were so damn cool

My theory is that Maya talked to Tina after visiting the lodge and Tina remembered the surname while writing Izzy and the dragon lord self awareness I dunno man I was like damn this dude is dope

Thank you I knew it I was thinking the same think fr can't wait for dlc to see what's going to happen

Excellent video as always. I found the Wonderlands story very derived of Toy Story with the dragon lord being a direct reflection of the evil toy in Toy Story 2.

Knowing the strange and mysterious character of Mancubus Bloodtooth, the fact that Izzy is so self-aware of her existence, it actually makes a whole lot of sense. Though it gives such a thick aura of mystery, and yet the sense is there. Would it surprise anyone if you asked Mancubus, "By the way, do you know of another tavern owner named Izzy?" And if he responds, "Ah, yes. A name that I know... quite well. I take it she is still leading her business of... soda pop?" Honestly, it would NOT be surprising. Although if you ask me, the theory of Mancubus making a trade with Tina seems irrelevant. I think that simply the name "Bloodtooth" just mysteriously popped into her head and she just went with it. And as for Izzy, having a "4th Wall Awareness" we'll call it, and being in Tina's game, well... that seems like another mystery that'll never be solved. And the Dragon Lord gaining his own sentience? You SURE something like that doesn't just happen? I mean, we're talking about a fictional world WITHIN a fictional world. Think on this, WHAT IF that a dream, a projection, an idea was used so often that bit by bit it got stronger & stronger up to the point that it could think for itself? Again, this is the fictional world we're talking here. Things just happen without reason or logic. I know you want explanations to understand it, but in my experience if you get your answers then the aura of mystery dissipates and there's no interest left for it anymore. But if Gearbox writers will make that connection later on, then my theory is this: By the next major DLCs coming out later, perhaps one of them will explain the connection between the Bloodtooth name?

It's a nice link between the games, I could easily see Tina latching onto the name after hearing it in passing from somebody, or by interacting with him herself. I personally see it as foreshadowing if people are fans enough of the new additions, that they'll use that connection to pull things into Borderlands 4. Like during the tutorial you hear Tina trying to get somebodies attention while they're talking to the new Vault Hunters, when suddenly there's a flash from where Tina's at and suddenly there goes the Dragon Lord flying past.

Void god= a god of the void, in control or rule over empty space or literally a empty space the that exists and can interact with reality

I don't think anyone could come up with a better theory than you. I love the lore in this game series.

Perhaps the item was a cursed dice they use to play the game, which is actively allowing tinas imagination to create physical things

@megagreatgodlywhiteshark2929

2 жыл бұрын

She said to use our imagination,lol so the cursed dive or whatever was cursed allowed us to go into the mind of tina's wonderlands world ect

@megagreatgodlywhiteshark2929

2 жыл бұрын

Dice

Won’t be able to play wonderlands without thinking about all of this now and that’s awesome.

Fun fact: voice actor for Mancubus is the same as the voice actor for the Demi-Lich the Graveborn class has. Super fun xD

Wow! Very cool theory. Makes me consider actually buying the game.

at 4:48 my thoughts diverged from yours for a bit 'what I think she got' was his daughter. I certainly wouldnt put it past this man to bind his offspring to Tina's magical realm in exchange for something he desired. If anything I think Tina would decline to be given a sentient human being. As cool of an addition to her BnB game it might have been. So maybe its more of a 'Mr Mancubus, can Lizzie come out to play?' -type situation where his daughter was already tragically bound to an artifact and the trade with Tina at least gave Lizzie a more interesting and populated world to inhabit than before.

I honestly was like how is it that no one is noticing the dragon lord sentience but this makes sense thanks

This is the most amazing thing ever

Fun fact, the voice actor for Mancubus is also doing the Demi-Lich.

Love Borderlands related lore and this is a very fun look what we got in TTWL 👍

I just realized this is almost like Gravity Falls. Not only do both have a Fearamid, but Bill Cipher acts as a “muse” to Ford Pines giving him knowledge to build the portal in that universe. Of course Bill was just using him to slowly gain more control over the physical realm as the Dragon Lord does here

The fact that some gear has Gythian's name as a modifier.

Don’t forget about Izzy’s strange rant at the end of the game when she tells you about changing multi class. where she straight up acknowledges the world outside of the B&B game. Player character just goes, “Uh… Ok then.” Then proceeds like nothing has happened.

8:26 Will note that Dungeons & Dragons does have larger than normal figurines that you can get. Which Bunkers & Badasses is based on tabletop, pen and paper games like that.

I just imagined Tina just thought up a name and got bloodtooth since her time fighting bandits and psychos and such

Hmmm I interpreted that this Game took place during or slightly before BL2, mainly because the "NoteTaker" (I think that's he was called) was Roland. One of the final notes you get sounded like Roland promising to game with Tina once he was no longer leading a war. Seems a bit strange to put that in there after she had her depressed meltdown in the original DLC. I also recognize that it could also be her way of including Roland's spirit into the game as well.

Izzy says something about her bloodshed and evil actions at the end of the game when you speak to her after doing the enchant reroll thing at the blacksmith.

Anything with the living entity that is the cabin makes me happy. The cabin from love,gun,and tentacles

I think you make a very interesting point, indeed this information if proves true could inject a very interesting new life into the franchise

my friend and I's theory is mancubus got a hold of a bunkers and badasses players guide and decided "yes this is a normal human name, i will use it."

Well my first thought that I'm surprised wasn't ruled out (I don't think) was that Izzy could be a daughter/relative to Mancubus. Not that that's particularly satisfactory of an answer but Borderlands has been known to draw plenty of familial connections like that before.

@MicroMakesMusic

2 жыл бұрын

but izzy is in a fictional BnB game while Mancubus is actually in the Borderlands worldspace

@panix6

2 жыл бұрын

@@MicroMakesMusic the first BnB dlc for borderlands 2 had fictional representations of all the main game's characters as well (including the 4 protagonists, supporting characters, and antagonist). I would imagine doing the same in this game isn't out of the question

nice vid bro

Plot twist, Tina’s game is actually being hosted at *mancubus’s tone* The Lodge.

I think Bloodtooth is a leap but I love it. As you said the speculation is very much a mystery. I tend to think she is a little girl that lost friends and is still trying to wrap her head around the loss but it could be Lovecraftian. I'd take either. In any event, keep up the speculation, I loved it.

It will be a bit strange, funny, and badass if this leads to future borderlands having our played character to actually be our own custom created character using powers and abilities from past Vault Hunters/Fate walkers and future Vault Hunters/Fate walkers. All of this happening because Tiny choose to ignore the signs there was something wrong with her game and she may have reached out into reality to drag the Player (aka us) into the Reality of Borderlands.

@Biscuit-1337

2 жыл бұрын

Cool idea, but I'd see it much more likely as the fatemaker being an enemy in a future BL game controlled by Mancubus after his plans with Wonderlands have come to fruition.

Also a good note, In the side mission to "The Trial of Crooked-Eye Phil", She says "My babies have a life of their own". This is said after the NPC says something and Tina responds that it was rude to say that.

I'm surprised you didn't theorized that the cursed thing could be her book of characters considering you made the connection with Maya in Borderlands 3. Fun theory though!

Bruh, this seems like a sound theory to me. Now I'm gonna be thinking about it all day loo

Also, something worth mentioning is that Dragon Lord says he “used to be Tina’s favorite”, further alluding to maybe the gift she received from Mancubus was the dragon lord himself

@Biscuit-1337

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's just part of his sentience, wherever it came from. He was Tina's character in Roland's game, but she started to use him as a villain in her own campaigns after her choice with the sword of souls turned him evil. I don't think he was sentient at the time of Roland's game, but since that's all an important part of his backstory he remembers it. He knows, because Tina knew when she "created" him in her own game. This is the same reason I don't think the sword of souls could be the cursed item either, it was in Roland's game before.

The cursed item could easily also be the Badass Binder or whatever it was called - the Monster Manual.

I completely forgot this video was about izzy

sounds pretty good to me, i wonder if it might come up again in some dlc

Ok I was playing the other day when I walked in to Izzies and I noticed her eyes were glowing she looked down for a second then they went back to normal I am wondering if someone else had seen this if not it’s just a glitch but could explain this a little more plus the table could be the cursed object since everything is built upon it.

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

I saw it 2,I thought it was a bug, a glitch... Just like Tina's eye..

@Klyttorius

2 жыл бұрын

I saw it, it wasn't a bug though because there was ominous sounds to go with it.

Mancubus is the watcher, come back to this in bl4, im on my psychic arc

There's another connection to Borderlands 3 dlc. Tina quite often using the word "tomadachi" (or something like that), and I don't think we heard this word before going to Gehenna.

I noticed the Dragon Lord's sentience schtick pretty early on in the game but didn't think much of it but when he explains himself before you fight him, I just knew and was all like "Oooooh shit this dude sentient".

@victoriaabrilvazquez9863

2 жыл бұрын

He even mentioned that he is not always the evil guy in Tina's B&B games, he says that sometimes, some Handsome man took that place, obviously talking about Jack, so he became conscious before Assault On Dragon Keep...

Not played the game yet but I think it could possibly be the character book, with the book collecting habits of mancubus and how a fantasy book is it might be powerful

I like to think that Mancubus might’ve used Tiny Tina’s imagination, creativity, and her half crazy mind to solve a problem of his that his studious brain couldn’t figure out, hence why she gets some sort of relic that creates sentience out of imagination.

This is a solid theory and one i have high hopes for. If this game patches well BL4 can be more than a fading possibility. Also, It is no secret Mancubus was set up specifically to potentially be a sort of universal connector/building unit. Hes open ended. Imagine your builder unit in a RTS game that already has its own background info and bit of story written to transition into any plot. No other character is written in such away in Borderlands. Hes powerful on a scale beyond even sirens just based on what we know. He exists in a DLC kinda because its where hes parked lol The villain dint want none when she encounters him, theres several logs adding to his range as far as timeline and distance within the universe. And best of all even though he aids and shelters the player in a dlc story we cant say if hes a good or bad guy... Maybe... Hes a god. One of several. The one that likes to be more hands on like a mix between Q from star trek TNG and Raiden from Mortal Kombat and throw in some Loki lol

Fun fact dry’ls name is a reference to R’lyeh the fictional home of Cthulhu

Fans: Makes sense to me Eruption: So it's canon? Gearbox: *ignores all plot threads entirely

Whats the song EF uses for the outro? is it from an RPG? i swear ive heard that music someware but i cant place it.

What are the odds that her Bunkers and Badasses rulebook is a necronomicon of it's own

Glad to know I'm not the only obsessed weirdo to put this together, not sure if its accurate, but I was on the same thought.

when dragon lords talking all i can hear is BoJack Horseman

(this does NOT contain anything from wonderlands) okay so just saying but Gythian was so massive that about maybe five of it's tentacles could hold a city granted it's not big but it is still a city so how big would the Destroyer be to you cause I imagine that he's like azathoth from lovecraftian mythology where you could basically swim in one of their eyes

EruptionFang: Comes up with a cool theory. The probable actual reason: Gearbox writers: "heh heh. Joke funny. *farts*"

I’d also like to point out that the fearamids description says that if this wasn’t a fantasy world, one would think it was built by aliens. That might of course be a joke about conspiracy theories but I think that could also tie into the lore

I think the pyramid is a vault piece, and we know those things can make other things go wacky, seeing the mutated beasts vaults made.

Interesting theory and not something I'd thought about before. What if instead of the fearamid though it was the sword of souls?