Compare news coverage from diverse sources around the world on a transparent platform driven by data. Try Ground News today: ground.news/thepresentpast Corrections: At 01:13 I say the Monument to Victor Emanuel II is celebrating the founding of the Italian Republic. This didn't happen until after WW2. I mixed it up with the Unity of Italy in 1871. A lot of people seem to be Trajan and Septimus Severus experts! The statement of Mussolini's intent on deciding what plaque to put up comes from the SPQR book mentioned in the sources. If you have another source I should read on the subject do let me know :)

@davidrogers8030

Жыл бұрын

2.25 : l presume you know the 'Roman salute' wasn't Roman but from a painting by Jacques-Louis David.

@bradleymcdaniel7915

Жыл бұрын

I'd say Mussolini wanted to Build Back Better

@tommasodalmaso

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for correction. Unification of Italy was in 1961 nevertheless ;)

@andreagv3

Жыл бұрын

@@tommasodalmaso ha ha, not at all in 1961. Do your research, dude!

@fabiomotta98

11 ай бұрын

The "unification of Italy" / proclamation of the Kingdom of Italy happened in 1861 :) The republic in 1946

My great-grandparents were part of those people who were forced to leave their houses because they were deemed unseemly by Mussolini. They were transported to new neighbourhoods during the night, far away from the city centre and from their jobs, with no one knowing what was happening. Nowadays, you can walk underneath Via dei Fori Imperiali through the cellars of the buildings that used to be there.

@TheJubess

Жыл бұрын

I love these comments that share personal stories related to the youtube story. Thanks for sharing and adding to the video!

@paulpease8254

Жыл бұрын

This is still happening today, e.g. in Cambodia the dictator Hun Sen removes people from their homes in order to sell their land to foreign investors. Same song, different verse.

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

Wow thanks for sharing!

@hazchemel

Жыл бұрын

Amazing ... thanks for sharing that story

@itsyaboydanno7143

Жыл бұрын

Unseemly?

That monument doesn't celebrate the founding of the italian republic, it celebrates King Victor Emanuel II after the conquest of Rome, after ww1 it also became the tomb of the unknown soldier. Italy became a republic in 1946.

@ninab.4540

Жыл бұрын

Italy needs to hit the reset button

@forgottone1430

Жыл бұрын

@@ninab.4540 what?

@perineo2231

Жыл бұрын

​@@ninab.4540⚫✋🏻

@claudiopeli2774

Жыл бұрын

@@ninab.4540 and you need to mind your own business

@giannicolonello3240

Жыл бұрын

grazie

I think Italian Fascism is a lot more important to understanding what Fascism is at it's core, but people always think that the Nazis are the OG for some reason

@oppionatedindividual8256

Жыл бұрын

The Nazis aren’t fascists and they never claimed as much, they were National Socialists which while it sounds similar is separate of Fascism which Mussolini invented. The only other true fascists of the time was the British Union of Fascists, lead by Oswald Mosley. There was also the Silver Legion in the US although they were far more Nazi aligned ( in that national socialists believe in the supremacy of their race, whilst fascist believe in the supremacy of their culture ).

@AverageAlien

Жыл бұрын

Nazism is not fascism

@NaviRyan

Жыл бұрын

Their are two types of fascism Italian fascism and nazi fascism. Italian fascism came before, however it didn’t generate the same zealotry, and influence that nazi fascism had. Their is also the debate about nazi ideology being national socialists. In truth the nazi had various ideas from left/right wing influences, but above it all was their ultra nationalism. Essentially if a policy would help workers, but hurt the nation even in minuscule way the nazi’s would scrap it and continue oppressing the workers.

@thesauceman8457

Жыл бұрын

@@oppionatedindividual8256blurred lines of supremacy and ideology. Fact is they both enacted laws targeting specific people they deemed subhuman or undesirable. Also Spains fascists under Franco were around this time. What they call themselves is mostly irrelevant though. They all were the furthest right wing extreme ideologies that were destructive in nature, authoritarian to the core, and absolutist. The authoritarian far left was also very similar looking at Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. the common thread is hatred of democracy and human rights.

@Boretheory

Жыл бұрын

@D.R no not really

7:43 Severus wasn't black for those wondering

@Arturo005100

Жыл бұрын

The severus thing was dumb, trajan was born in iberia (not italy)

@tortureRoom

Жыл бұрын

Yo, my nigga severus wuz black. Severus is a nigga name dawg, his full name wuz Severus Jackson, nigga. Da romanz wuz ruled by bulack peepo and das a fact. Also wypeepo don't wash dey chicken.

@toasty6570

Жыл бұрын

its like saying Obama isnt american because he was born in hawaii

@Marco-1997

Жыл бұрын

@@Arturo005100 yes, by a family of italic settlers though

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

This guy obviously believes everyone is actually black or wishes they were. We all secretly long to live in Harlem now don't we woke bloke.

That monument doesn't celebrate the Italian republic. It's called "Vittoriano" ("the Victorian") and it was built in 1911 to celebrate the 50 years anniversary since the unification of Italy. The monument is dedicated to Victor Emanuel II, first king of Italy and unifier of the nation that also of course gives the name to the monument. After WW1 in the Vittoriano has been instituted the "Motherland Althar" with the tomb of the unknown soldier always guarded by a guard of honor. The soldier is an Italian that died during ww1 and was unidentified and represents all Italian personnel fallen on the line of duty.

Septimius Severus was from africa but he wasn’t a foreigner, he was a provincial. He came from a noble Italian family that mixed with the Berber natives. He was still a Latin, still a Roman, though of course he did face scrutiny for his provincial origins

@Karkafs-Desiderium

Жыл бұрын

He was often seen as a foreigner because of his way darker skintone, he had punic and phoenician blood in him.

@steroidbaggins2936

Жыл бұрын

@@Karkafs-Desiderium a provincial, not a foreigner. Again, he was still an equite or a patrician

@charliesargent6225

Жыл бұрын

@@Karkafs-Desiderium Where did you read he had way darker skintone?

@Karkafs-Desiderium

Жыл бұрын

@@charliesargent6225 I didnt read it, I saw it. There is a painting of him from 200 showing his family. He is very dark like yemeni arab people and his wife is white/brown like lebanese people.

@georgestefan1698

10 ай бұрын

@@Karkafs-Desiderium is the painting 2000 years old ? because if it isnt, then it is not a reliable source of ihistorical nformation

This video show that people shpuld really do more than approssimativly reading wikipedia before talking about a nation's history.

The so-called Roman salute isn't based on actual Roman sources but is a product of modern popular perception without historical basis. Not that Mussolini really would have cared about historical accuracy.

@SaraWilsonBasturk

Жыл бұрын

Was it a David painting or am I misremembering that?

@challalla

Жыл бұрын

@@SaraWilsonBasturk Yes, I think The Oath of the Horatii by Jacques-Louis David played a big part in spreading this misconception, as well as being a terrible demonstration of how one should handle swords

@Anonymous_hugo12

Жыл бұрын

no, the romans used that salute to salute their leader, mostly Caesar used it

@challalla

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous_hugo12 Can you point to any depictions or descriptions of this salute dating back to the Romans? Martin M. Winkler's The Roman Salute: Cinema, History, Ideology (2009) states that no such salute appears in extant evidence from the Roman world. Rather, he says that it was 'invented on the nineteenth-century stage in long-running productions of "toga plays," melodramas set in the Roman Empire ... the gesture then reached the cinema screen.'

1:10 "this monument" is the Altare della Patria, and it was built to commemorate the unification of Italy under it's first king, Victor Emmanuel II. Not to celebrate the Italian Republic. I mean, it's other name is The Victor Emmanuel II Monument, how could you think it was about the republic?

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

You're right. I got the unification mixed up with the start of Italy as a republic!

@eolobrontolo9117

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThePresentPast_ ...And this is not few, from people who make video.🙂

@jonathangalloni2808

Жыл бұрын

Also the Italian republic was born after WW2

@Eugeneinrome

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePresentPast_ Quite a big mistake for someone putting out historical content! Are you sure you should be doing these kind of videos?

@earthwalker5248

Жыл бұрын

Because this video itself contains misinformation and seems to be a piece of propaganda itself.

At the time those map were drawn Severus was considered ethnic Italian, the idea that he was half Punic only gained popularity in the 90s. And to this day is not clear if it's true that under Severus the Empire was bigger, since we have no idea of the actual borders in the desert, and surely nobody at the time was considering that. So there was no intentional removal of Severus, since in the eyes of people in the 1930s he was just another ethnic Italian born in a Province, exactly like Trajan.

@alboin5684

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, the problem with the idea that Septimius was ethnically Punic on his father's side, is that his father's name Publius Septimius Geta is n't exactly the most Punic sounding lol. His mum's name was Fulvia Pia, so I'll yet you figure out her ethnicity from that lol. It may be impossible to work out wether the empire was bigger under Septimius or Trajan because back then not all borders were exactly demarcated like today. An exception was the river Rubicon, which ceased to be a border anyway after 42bce with annexation of Cisalpine Gaul. In the case of Septimius, the southern border of the empire was mainly desert which makes the task of demarcation harder still

So...what makes it evil? I must of missed that part...

@kw7709

Жыл бұрын

Is he not alluding to Mussolini's alliance with Hitler and the complete and utter failure of the fascist movement in Italy - - the road represents a path to absolute power, war, and being on the wrong side of history.

@charliesargent6225

Жыл бұрын

@@kw7709 Utter failure as in ...Italy conquered 5 countries, was awarded the territory they won in France, and won the Spanish civil war vs. the Communist. Aside from Russia and Germany no other European country performed better, or stated another way, Italy was the 3rd best performing European country of the war.

@spaniardsrmoors6817

Жыл бұрын

@@kw7709 WW II Empire larger than Germany's

@matteorizzi487

Жыл бұрын

"everything a bad guy does must be evil"

@dreamystone

Жыл бұрын

@@charliesargent6225 Conveniently forgetting Greece abandonding their civil war to utterly humiliate Mussolini after he invaded, tie up axis powers and delay the attack on Russia long enough for nazis to freeze to death. Maybe he's not solely responsible for the result of the war, but oh boy did he contribute 😁

"Obelisks are... Egyptian" hey man, actually not only Egyptian, all over ancient times there are obelisks, even in Rome! But you can also find obelisks in Pre-Columbian societies as well. Anyways, building a tall pointy thing is not exclusive to Egyptians.

@Arturo005100

Жыл бұрын

Rome has 13 obelisks,the romans were obsessed with them

@aleattorium

Жыл бұрын

@Wilhelm Otto Dusseldorf nope man, those you are mentioning are the recent ones, there are original obelisks in Rome, also Assyria, American tribes, several places

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

@@aleattorium The obelisks in Rome were manufactured in Egypt - including ones manufactured specifically for Roman emperors. The Romans also had obelisks manufactured and erected in Syria and Palestine. Baalbek in Lebanon was a major Roman quarry.

@muscledavis5434

Жыл бұрын

Obeliscs originate in Ancient Egypt but then were adapted by the Romans and became an important part of their own architectural culture. From our pint of view looking back, both answers are right. They were part of Egyptian culture and they were part of Roman culture.

@urbanfile3861

Жыл бұрын

As a matter of fact there are more Egyptian obelisks in Rome (taken by ancient Romans) than in Egypt. And they're there since more than 2000 years in many Rome's squares. Then they are part of Rome cultural heritage, starting from ancient times. Anyway fascism wanted to give some reference to the Empire which brought to Rome the 'treasures' of its provinces. It's not very well known, but Fascists brought to Rome an obelisk from Axum, after the war against Ethiopia, as spoil of war celebrating the conquer of this 'new province'. The obelisk stood not far from current FAO building in Rome. It was returned to Ethiopia just in 2002

A few important details I feel should've been included: -The fasces alludes to the trade unions of Italy, not the individual: this would later plug into the corporatist state. IIRC The name itself comes from the labor syndicates that were colloquially known as fasces, following the whole "unions together strong" line of thinking. -Italian Fascism was like the Romans in the sense of civic nationalism, where if you earn citizenship you are considered an Italian. There was no racial element until Mussolini decided he wanted to get in bed with Hitler. He didn't care about "ethnic Italians" and we have records of considerable Jewish membership in the PNF before 1938, with Mussolini even having a Jewish mistress. Also Septimius Severus would've been nominally Latin (which would be considered "white" nowadays even if that label is dumb as hell( since the Arabs hadn't conquered North Africa yet and the area was more integrated with Europe via Roman Mare Nostrum than across the Sahara to subSaharan Africa, and also a citizen.

@damedikid387

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I want to highlight this comment cause sometimes people get confusion. I heard "oh racism in Italy lol what a news they were fascists. They invented it" mmm no. Also, Mussolini wasn't caring about race but to friends and wallets. At the start, Mussolini hated the Franks and ex German country cause for him they caused the misfortune of Italy. He wasn't obsessed with Romans until he has to gain popularity in the Capital and an union reason in the country to get better. Mussolini introduced the racial rules due the partnership with Hitler and (my though) he was a pussy seeing Germany being so powerful so he just did it even if he wasn't believing in it himself. During the colonial empire there was a fascist song called "faccetta nera/black lil face" that was about a poem to an Abyssinian girl to come in Italy with the soldiers and becoming Italian. In Eritrea there're still people talking Italian, cooking Italian cuisine and using ex fascist building cause fight apart they loved the culture and how Italian introduced themself. There was a phrase famous in America and Europe about the low morale of the Italian soldiers for killing etc. It was "Italians? Good People" or in Italian "italiani? Brava gente"

@blacklion8208

Жыл бұрын

​@@nicktamer4969 This Y.Tuber is Dutch not American...

@occidentadvocate.9759

Жыл бұрын

Septemus Severus was White.

@FastGDG

Жыл бұрын

Trajan wasn’t even Italian… he was Spanish.

@blacklion8208

Жыл бұрын

@@FastGDG The Romans were not Italian. The italics were conquered by the Romans, but the Roman empire was obviously Roman not the italic empire, but the peninsular was known as the Italicus peninsular after the largest italic tribes

Severus was not "African". He was born in Lybia, but as other said, he was italian and pheonician

@Karkafs-Desiderium

Жыл бұрын

He was Punic, Phoenician and Italic plus he was born in africa so yeah not only had he african blood in him but he also was born in africa.

@charliesargent6225

Жыл бұрын

@@Karkafs-Desiderium Yeah, nice try revisionist. You're all over here trying that we wuz Africuns not Romanz sheeet.

@nicodangond5822

Жыл бұрын

African doesn’t automatically mean black. And… Phoenicians were super African

@NawDawgTheRazor

Жыл бұрын

The guy said “from Africa.” And he was definitely born in Africa.

@Littleone124

11 ай бұрын

Being born in Africa makes him African 🤦‍♀️

Nothing Worse, than the personal opinions of a part time tourist in Rome, with very limited knowledge of history or architecture!

@yamoto1833

Жыл бұрын

Notthing more true

@Alexrassi

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@jjperceval

Жыл бұрын

wrong. iron man 3 is worse.

@giacomodifino151

Жыл бұрын

Love this comment.

@MainulWasTaken

Жыл бұрын

Exactly and he promotes an advertisement where this app gives unbiased news I think he was very biased in this video What right now is Rome is very good and I think this few changes made Rome greater again

The Roman Empire reached it's maximum extension in 117dC, when Trajanus, who btw was born in Spain, ruled. I don't really know where you got Septimus Severus from.

@conordowd2263

Жыл бұрын

Severus had embarked on a campaign against the Parthians and managed to acquire some territory in northern Mesopotamia. He also fought against the Garamantes in North Africa and acquired a good amount of territory there as well. I don’t know exactly how much land he conquered, and I’m not sure anyone really does because people still debate about whether the empire was bigger under Trajan or Severus. Trajan seems to be the more readily accepted in terms of who the empire was bigger under, but some people think it may have been Severus but ultimately we don’t know for sure

@Marco-1997

Жыл бұрын

Born in Iberia in an italic settlement

@itsMe_TheHerpes

Жыл бұрын

he got severus from the... politically correct hand bag. look at how severus is depicted in this vid. looks like he stayed in the sun for too long, lol.

@praetorianguard5696

Жыл бұрын

@@itsMe_TheHerpes I mean, nothing wrong with the way he was depicted since he just showed the "Severan Tondo" which is one of the few preserved panel paintings from Ancient Rome (this one was made to depict himself and his family in 200AD). I'm referring to the idea that the largest roman landmass was during his reign.

@itsMe_TheHerpes

Жыл бұрын

@@praetorianguard5696 well if you can't see the link between how he is depicted in this vid and why is he here, then i am afraid you are not a good historian.

Many years ago in Roma I asked an archaeologist about the problem of this wide road laid over God only knows how many interesting relics of the ancient civilisation, so that we might never come to know them. She answered that paradoxically, being sure that a lot of stuff under there is built with marble or other soft stones which are quickly deteriorated by rain and mainly by smog, it is better that the underlying Roman features are kept preserved under the road until future technologies could be able to do the job in a clean way.

@gui18bif

3 ай бұрын

This road will become a future landmark. It's a tradeoff.

A couple more things not said for making the narration fit better or simply by inaccuracies: the EUR wasn't design as a suburb but as the place for the World Exhibition of '42 the letters spell it out (Esposizione Universale Roma), also there was only the skeleton of the buildings during the fascist regime and it was completed only in the '50s but the style was kept, to see an actual fascist "suburb" built during the regime just visit La Spienza University; the thing about Septimius Severus (yes you got the name wrong, there is an I missing) he was only half native from north africa (mixed berber and punic) the other half of his family (his mother's) was from an ancient Italian family, but the real reason why he is not celebrated is because traditionally it's the empire of Traianus the one recognized with most importance

Not sure that Septimus Severus was excluded because he was african. I think you made a misstep in regards to fascism and racism. Racism wasn't really a big thing for the fascist movement, it was always about cultural superiority. Lots of early fascists were actually jews, and Mussolini even made statements belittling hitler's racial policies until he decided to become best friends with him.

@A.Severan

Жыл бұрын

Plus, Septimius Severus was North African, Libyan. How people imagine “African” now, is very different from North Africans then and now.

@Boretheory

Жыл бұрын

@@A.Severan his parents were one from Lebanon and the other from Tuscany so not african but ancient middle eastern/Etruscan

@A.Severan

Жыл бұрын

@@Boretheory you missed my point, we’re not Netflix here. And no, he was Libyan-Punic. Libyan is Caucasian.

@giorgiodifrancesco4590

2 ай бұрын

@@A.Severan You've right. Lybians at that time were Berbers. Punics were a mix between Lebanese people of that time (not of the comtemporaneity) and Berbers (when Berbers were not yet mixed with dark Africans, because didn't exist yet the Arab slave trade). So a Lybian-Punic was not so dark like a Lybian or a Tunisian of our time The great African slave trade made by Romans is a recent american thought. At that time, it cost less for the Romans to import slaves from other countries than from Nubia and, above all, when they took blacks, they used them on African farms (which was the wisest thing). Some black gladiators arrived in Italy. The remaining number of blacks present was irrelevant. I know that wokists don't like what I said, but reality is not a dream nor does it have an ideological agenda.

Don't act like you don't know that the ancient romans were obsessed with egyptian obelisks.

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

No I don't think he knew that along with a lot of other things he screwed up.

...how is this evil?

@Anonymous_hugo12

Жыл бұрын

Jewish Propaganda, the Nasis and Italian Fas..... were good people who actually cared about their people, destroyed mafia , protected culture, made a good society for women and children, had real freedom. watch Europa The Last Battle.

@faustoribeiro9189

Жыл бұрын

They forced People tô move out of their homes and abandom their jobs for the road to be created

@charliesargent6225

Жыл бұрын

@@faustoribeiro9189 Ewwwww scary...that's done all over the world today including America

Even though Septimus Severus was a "foreigner", so was Trajan as well. He came from Itálica (Nowadays Santiponce near Sevilla, Spain) as Hadrian also did, his successor. Furthermore, these are two of the greatest Roman emperors and part of the Five Good Emperors. I would argue that citizenship was the most important factor for Romans, more than the place of birth. Nevertheless, it may be true that the fascist regimen in Italy would prefer to advocate for a "Spanish/Iberian" emperor than for an "African" emperor. Having made my point clear, I also want to say that I find your videos very interesting and informative; knowing how to expose things of the present day that have an origin in the past. Keep up the good work. Greetings from a Spanish-Dutchman in Seville. P.S.: If you ever come to this city, here you have a local guide.

@tonyclough9844

Жыл бұрын

He came from the Roman Empire and had citizenship.

@AlexanderLittlebears

11 ай бұрын

Settimio Severo ergeva statue ad Annibale, era un traditore

@BlupillatiSchifosi

5 ай бұрын

Trajan was born in spain but his family comes from gens ulpia from umbria ( italy) he was not a stranger.

@Highollow

4 ай бұрын

> Furthermore, these are two of the greatest Roman emperors and part of the Five Good Emperors. Trajan was, Severus wasn't one of the Five Good Emperors.

@joangallardo9645

3 ай бұрын

@@Highollow Hadrian was also from Hispania. It's not like Britain and its colonies: if you were from any province in the Roman empire you were not a foreigner, you were a Roman from the provinces. Just like fictional Maximus Decimus Meridius (Russell Crow in the movie Gladiator)

As a soon to be History Major I want to add to what it is said here: l'Altare della Patria or Vittoriano (this second name derivies by the fact that it was dedicated to Italy's first king Victor Emanuel II), the monument that is linked to the Colusseum thanks to Via dei Fori Imperiali, was actually built to celebrate the conquest of Rome in 1871 by the Kingdom of Italy and to celebrate the "final step" of Italian Unification (for some people and historians the actual final step was actually the annexation of the austro-hungarian territories during the First World War) and in the propaganda of the time it meant the final return of a new glory age of the city just like the Roman age after years of "Dark Ages", a propaganda which Mussolini used as well for its new regime. So the fact that this road connect the greatest symbol of the Romans, the Colosseum, and the greatest symbol of the Risorgimento, the italian period of unification, it simbolizes the connection between this two eras. Mussolini wanted that because he stylizes the fascist moviment as the epythemy of the Risorgimento. So this road is also the symbol of a connection between Ancient Rome and the Risorgimento and a return to the glory days, all which Mussolini wants its party to be linked with. This is also why he had no regard for the old medieval districts there and demolished them P.S.: sorry for my bad english, hope this message was undestood. I want to thanks this channel to talk about this story that is not even commonly known here in Italy and more unfortuantely not even here in Rome by most citizens, as both an Italian and a citizen of this beautiful city I hope this video will inform more people about the way the fascist regime used architecture as a way of propaganda and how it destroyed important and crucial parts and comunities of Rome

I thing everyone agrees that the biggest exstension was reached under trajan and he was from southern spain

@jtgd

Жыл бұрын

Including power proxy

@urbanfile3861

Жыл бұрын

Roman Emperors stopped to be Italian since the end of first century. Or at least, few were Italian born, many from other provinces of the Empire

@Boretheory

Жыл бұрын

Trajan was from a Hispano-italian mixed family so he was half Italian half not” there fixed

@katmannsson

Жыл бұрын

@@Boretheory He was a Provincial from Hispania: This is all that is relevant.

@InfoRome

Жыл бұрын

@An Italian Theorist, not even half-Hispanic, he was just Italian. His hometown was literally called Italica since it was an Italian colony in Spain settled by people from the Italian region of Umbria. Both his dad and mom trace their origins in central Italy. Trajan was an Italian born in a Roman colony in Spain (literally called Italica for being an Italian colony).

4:44 the original obelisks were actually brought in from Egypt during the Imperial Rome. In the medieval age most were lost and only found in the renaissance/baroque. There Pope Sixtus used them as part if his transformation of Rome into a pilgrimage city. He build a road system connecting the 7 most important churches and marking them with the old obelisks. The Via dei Fori Imperiale references that system. Were as before there was an emphasis on the connection if the Lateran and Vatican, he connected his new monument with the Colosseum. The obelisk in the EUR again connects that fascist effort with the historic fabric of the city. I am sorry if I mixed up some minor details, but the architectural history lectures about Rome I attended were a few years ago

Thanks for making this video (even though I suggest you research some topics with better attention). I live in Rome and every time I walk on that road I cannot stop from thinking of how much of our city’s history we lost for building it.

@anta3612

Жыл бұрын

This happened in other Italian cities too. I'm from Northern Italy and in my town Mussolini had an entire medieval neighbourhood razed to the ground to create a piazza with modern buildings (in grandiose fascist architectural style). It was actually a huge monument to himself (similar to how an ancient roman emperor would have operated). Those who previously had lived in the neighbourhood were displaced and their livelihoods, consisting of small businesses and shops, were destroyed.

@ciaotiziocaius4899

Жыл бұрын

@@anta3612 oh cielo, dove?

@anta3612

Жыл бұрын

@@ciaotiziocaius4899 Brescia.

@giozpack7655

Жыл бұрын

allora è meglio che smetti di studiare la storia. Lo sai che tutte le pietre che mancano a tutti i monumenti che esistono in giro per il mondo da più di 12000 anni sono state usate per costruire altro? Hai la più pallida idea di quanta storia sia scomparsa a causa del riciclo? Non studiarlo che poi non riuscirai più a smettere di pensare

@ciaotiziocaius4899

Жыл бұрын

@@giozpack7655 eh ma dai? Basta entrare in una qualunque chiesa di Roma per rendersi conto del riutilizzo che è stato fatto dei marmi e delle pietre antiche, peccato che qui stiamo parlando di distruzione sistematica di zone storiche a fini propagandistici e non di naturale corso del tempo.

I was in Rome 1.5 yrs ago. That road and the building at the end (Altar of the Fatherland) are right by the most popular ruins. It is a beautiful building though it's a little out of place next to ruins. Rome is just the best city in the world for tourist. Where else can you see so many 2000ish year old buildings? And it has some very beautiful late middle ages / Renaissance. to early modern / Baroque buildings (1400-s to 1700's) . And it's all walkable. Plus you have the Vatican just a walk away from the historic parts of Rome!

@sasi5841

Жыл бұрын

Constantinople/Istanbul? Alexandria/islanderiyya? Damascus?

@muscledavis5434

Жыл бұрын

​@@sasi5841 in Istanbul for example you have like 3-4 poorly preserved ancient Roman buildings (Hagia Sophia is not from antiquity). Rome is the only place where the ancient topography is to such an extend visible and connected with the later parts of the town and with such a huge number of monuments still standing. You have other cities where it's like this but to a much smaller extend. Nimes, Pula, Spalato, Verona for example. And you have other places where the whole ancient town is visible, but not integrated into later City infrastructure and often with only few structures standing over 1 m tall. Timgad, Perge, Palmyra (destroyed by IS), Ephesus to name a few. Pompeii would also fit in this category, though it's buildings are beautifully preserved. But while all of these places are awesome, there is only one ROME. A City where it doesn't really matter where you are or where you look, the incredibly old and important history of this place is always present and you couldn't deny it even if you wanted to. From the renaissance on, that connection to the past became an important part of the present and the New developments of the city, which makes it all feel even more connected. Sonething that a place like Istanbul, that didn't have Renaissance or classicism, are missing. That's what makes Rome so special to me.

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

@@muscledavis5434 Here here!

@asellandrofacchio7263

Жыл бұрын

​@@sasi5841 Damascus? 😂😂😂 Yeah sure if you want to die in a terrorist attack then sure damascus is the right choice 👍🏻

@sasi5841

Жыл бұрын

@@asellandrofacchio7263 examples of place with >2000 years old structures, OP implied rome was the only place. Also you won't instantly die if you go to those places like you're suggesting

Another great video. I've been to Rome a few times and this just shed a new light on some of the sights. awesome

Very interesting video, and thanks for the details.

That monument called "Vittoriano" or "Altare della Patria" (Altar of the Fatherland) doesn't celebrate the founding of the Italian Repubblic (1946). It celebrates the King Vittorio Emanuale II who unified Italy (1868) for the first time after the fall of Rome and its Empire. That's also the reson why the monument has a classical architecture that recalls the ancient Roman temples. It also celebrates the Italian Victory in WWI with the final annexion of Trento and Trieste to the Italian State and it is the tomb of the unknow soldier. It is one of the most sacre monument in Italy.

Another amazing video, thanks!!!

1:13 That monument celebrates not the republic but the founding of Italy as a state (kingdom at that time) by the first king that unified Italy Vittorio Emanuele II, that's why it is also called Vittoriano; than after the Great War the tomb of the unknown soldier was added an so the second name Altare della Patria (Fatherland's Altar)

Mussolini and his politics would have lived on In Italy if Mussolini had been on the winning team. The winners write the history books.

I visited Rome about a year ago, thanks for giving context to my trip

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

Pleasure

@Ross-cecil

Жыл бұрын

@@nicktamer4969 lol k

@giorgospapoutsakis5271

Жыл бұрын

​@@nicktamer4969 the only bs i see here is you mrnick

@silvesta5027

Жыл бұрын

@@nicktamer4969 What were your main problems with this video?

I would like to add, that the "roman salute" isnt actually roman and was actually made up by a french artist called Jacques-Louis David in 1784 in his painting "The Oath of the Horatii". Romans had a similar greeting but it wasnt the roman salute

@rhnem

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was more of a modern roman salute, like you would see in the streets of Rome, where the hand isn't straight, just like you would do when you say mortacci tua e della madonna cane odio i calabresi

Fascinating video. Thank you for this historical information!

Another great video. I've been to Rome a few times and this just shed a new light on some of the sights.

From Romulus to Mussolini, hail the Italian people and the peninsula of divinity.

@occidentadvocate.9759

Жыл бұрын

\o

its funny that he part he finds cold and devoid of life just looks like everywhere in america

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

Haha I'll let you be the judge of that

@eolobrontolo9117

Жыл бұрын

After all, he is an intelligent man.🙂

@SaraWilsonBasturk

Жыл бұрын

I was looking at it and thinking how much it looks like some American downtowns. (Sorry Tulsa, you make up for it in other ways) 😭

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

@@eolobrontolo9117 The number of DM's would indicate that he had to be corrected on numerous points, self praise is no praise.

@eolobrontolo9117

Жыл бұрын

@@allanrinaldipaone9850 😉

Another great video!

Why Evil?

yo ik vind je vids echt leuk ga zo door man :)

Thankyou for your perspective. - new subscriber

4:47 Obelisk located on the sant peters square was transported from Egypt by Romans to be decoration to Nero's circus. In early baroque it was moved to its current position at the main axis

Just to be clear there was no black roman emperor he was born in a province the son of italiens who moved there

Great video!! Vero interesting

If you look around ancient Rome, there's obelisks everywhere. For the Colosseo Quadrato, look at Dybala's presentations 😊

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

He chose not to do his homework and just be Italophobic as well as sophomoric.

This is very interesting. Very insightful.

Amazing and incredibile architecture 🔝🇮🇹

Top tier content. I laughed my ass off at that one picture of Mussolini and its similarity to Putin. Im looking forward to new vids!

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

Well he never had hair transplants like that egotistical Biden.

Love the little bonus after the spot read :)

You are doing a great job with your videos. I subscribed and shared already. I wish you the best moving forward.

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

Appreciated!

I don't think it's fully accurate to say Septimius Severus was a foreigner. He has part Roman (in the native sense)/Italic/Italian ancestry on his mother's side in addition to Punic (his dad's side) last time I checked.

@Karkafs-Desiderium

Жыл бұрын

He was darker then most emperors to that point, not only was he born in africa but he also had punic and phoenician blood in him.

@paulemerick8661

Жыл бұрын

@@Karkafs-Desiderium He was darker than most emperors but still part Italian/Italic (on his mom's side) in addition to being part Punic on his dad's. Punic btw means the same thing as Phoenician essentially but usually applied to Phoenicians in the Western Mediterranean and is the Latin word for Greek derived term of Phoenician. Other Roman Emperors were born from actual Roman/Italian (or Italic) descended/partially descended families in provinces outside of Italy. Trajan was another notable one granted last time I checked both his maternal and paternal ancestries were Italic/ancient Italian.

@charliesargent6225

Жыл бұрын

@@Karkafs-Desiderium Yeah, nice try revisionist. You're all over here trying that we wuz Africuns not Romanz sheeet.

Very enlighting! Despite being an italian citizen who also worked for many years in Rome, where I live close to, I dind't know either some of the things we saw in this clip. Really well made!

He also issued the construction of Via della Conciliazione, the street that goes from Castel Sant’Angelo to Saint Peter’s basilica. The houses that were in between met the same fate of the ones you mentioned in the video. And what is noteworthy is the impact that the street had on St. Peter's Square. In fact, one of the most particular aspect of Lorenzo Bernini’s opera was the constrast between the narrow street of Borgo Pio surrounding the Basilica and the enormous square, that people experienced going to the Vatican City. This effect that was obviously lost with the construction of the massive street (which on the other hand gives a sensational view)

@Podzzy

3 ай бұрын

I much prefer the current sensational view, but I would never have razed historic buildings to the ground. The same goes for Via dei Fori Imperiali.

The "monument" ("il Vittoriale", were the "Alltare della Patria" = "Altar of the Fatherland" and "Tomba del Milite Ignoto" = "The Unknown Soldier's Grave" are) was, indeed, built NOT to celebrate the birth of rhe Italian REPUBLIC, but of the KINGDOM of Italy, who managed to unite the nation ..

I am from Libya and Septimus Severus was Liban from Leptis manga and his wife Julia Domina was Syria from Aphamia, the word Africa and African mean originally the punics of Tripolitania and Tunisia

We got a smart-ass here.

Oh, your Indonesia Part 2 is out. Nice, I'll have to check that out next

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

do it

Bravo! Well done.

Quite a semplicistic video about Fascism and Italian Rationalism

Man I was just watching this and I got a noti Johnny Harris uploaded smth too. Guess I’m stuck here for a while

@watipamkandawire3330

Жыл бұрын

Lol me too😂

@ThePresentPast_

Жыл бұрын

sorry for taking you off your work!

Walk this road every day to work, Love Rome Italy and Italiabs !

Great video! I'm italian and I didn't know about the origin of the fori imperiali road!

Just another amazing part of the history behind the roads of Rome!

Mr. Mussolini, better known as Biggus Dickus

Great video. I need to check out your full video list. I hope you create videos about England where I live. Best wishes S.

Thank you! Amazing!

4:45 about obelisks, you’re right, they’re egyptian! Emperor Augustus was the first emperor to bring them to Rome. They were percieved as a symbol of the everlasting cycle of the sun (and so, the wish of an eternal empire) as well of the symbol of “Aegyptus capta” after the defeat of Queen Cleopatra VII. The two first egyptian obelisks erected in Rome were Obelisk Flaminio, once decorating Circus Maximo, and Obelisk Montecitorio, once part of the Horologium Augusti, a sundial in the north of the city.

Fantastic architecture. We need more of it.

Milan's Central Station is another (actually beautiful) example of Mussolini era architecture.

@urbanfile3861

Жыл бұрын

Yes and no. Because they started the construction well before fascism took power and its design is not the standard fascist style (as the one at the EUR shown in the video). Obviously, as fascism during the construction was in power, they added fascism regime symbolism. But that was not a fascist regime work per se. Mussolini didn't even attend the inauguration.

@allanrinaldipaone9850

Жыл бұрын

@@urbanfile3861 I must agree. I see that station as quite an eclectic mix of styles such as: Beaux Arts or Umbertine in Italy, Assyrian some classical elements, but overly massive and honestly an eyesore. The Italian Court of Cassation if that is the name near to Castel San't Angelo is another building which I believe is identified as Umbertine and I find heavy and lacking in charm. What do you think?

@urbanfile3861

Жыл бұрын

@@allanrinaldipaone9850 decades ago Milanese used to mock the style of Milano Centrale by calling it Assiro-Milanese

People can be evil but roads are never evil.

It's cold and devoid of life because those more recent buildings are built way too close together. There's no balance like the Roman's had between modern and ancient. Nature and structure. Those new buildings are as compact as a modern downtown city.

I know that Mussolini wasn't very nice, and I do feel for the residents who were evicted from their homes which were then destroyed, but these do not make the Via dei Fori Imperiale Italy's evilest road, do they?

By the way, to be honest, Italy seems now to be really close to ancient Rome. Rome was founded by Romulus and Remus and immediately after that it became a Kingdom with seven kings that ruled her until Romans decided to institute the Republic. Italy had 4 kings, one dictator (that values as a couple of kings) and then we have four potential aspirants to the throne. Victor Emanuel, his son Emanuele Filiberto and the Savoia-Aosta arm of Aimone di Savoia-Aosta and his son, that is alleged to be the rightful herald of the throne. Still, Italy decided to became a republic. Now we just need a new Caesar and, with him, Italy will found a new Empire. 😎 Of course we already have an empire, not made by land, but by culture and arts and science. A large part of human culture and science was made by italians. Its so vast that even Hollywood struggles to find elements to compete with our pluri-millennial cultural and scientific heritage. 😎 But I think our new empire will be made somewhere else, since Earth is now settled and there's no room for expansion, maybe its the time to conquer the space. Yesterday we sent one of our probes to Jupiter, almost entirely made in Italy. With the biggest solar panels ever made for a probe. Our scientists and engineers have already made a new space shuttle, from the next year we will start again (probably from what we have left in past) to produce nuclear powered reactors for our armed forces ships (we do not allow to build nuclear weapons, while we are perfectly capable to make them). Soon it will come the time Italy will settle in space and build her own new empire.

@johngarofano7356

Жыл бұрын

You make me proud to be an italian .I leave in Australia now but I was born in Italy and left my homeland at the age of 12 .Every single day I always think of Italy , and very very proud of my culture ,no other nation comes even close !!!

@FastGDG

Жыл бұрын

Man, this is too much even for me 😅

@zedlisakattz2301

Жыл бұрын

Italy doesn't need a new empire....just less persons like you....

@themightypizzadevourer6018

Жыл бұрын

Warhammer 40k vibes lol

@danielefabbro822

Жыл бұрын

Its not too much. We can do more.

I am from Libya and Septimus Severus was Liban from Leptis manga and his wife Julia Domina was Syria from Aphamia, the word Africa and African mean originally the panics of Tripolitania and Tunisia

excellent video!

Great video!

As someone who was born and raised in Rome, I think I can share some history. First of all, the working class people who were displaced from the historical center to the suburbs were basically doomed to isolation and material misery. Those suburbs were often cut off from the rest of the city, they lacked running water and electricity and the only place for social interaction was often the local church. The houses were made with cheap materials and usually they were too small to house what would have been a family made of up to a dozen people. One must not be surprised, then, when learning that, after the armistice of September 8th 1943 most of the partisans that started fighting in and around Rome against the Germans and the fascist collaborators were actually from those same suburbs. Their life had been made hell by fascists, the least they could do was to take revenge.

There is another road similar to Via dei Fori Imperiali that Mussolini built after demolishing an old neighbourhood: Via della Conciliazione which connects the Tiber to the Vatican. It was completed after the war.

The monument to celebrate the "founding of the Italian republic"? Victor Emanuel II was the King who founded Italy as a unified nation and the monument honours him.

Evil? I don´t get, it´s really beautiful

To be honest I love "fascist" architecture, the squared colosseum, EUR, and above all: the stadium of the marbles is one of my favourites. It's next to the Stadio Olimpico, you can't miss it!

That's the problem when foreigners make videos about Italy, the research and the history are usually off.

New subscriber here. This video was excellent in tone and pacing. Fascinating piece of history. Thanks!

Obelisks are indeed egyptians, but the romans stole a few of them and placed them in Rome. Mussolini also planned to steal some other obelisks.

You mighy want to start looking into obelisks, stolen obelisks and returned obelisks afterwards, in paris and rome. Lot of lore.

The saddest thing is that today in Italy we have a government of people who come from that fascist "culture" and so, the project which envisaged progressively dismantling the Via dei Fori Imperiali to reconstitute the unity and continuity of the Fori Imperiali, is been blocked by the government. Maurizio Crocco architect

Since I was there I knew something´s not right. Now I know more. Thanks!

He highlighted the connection with Rome, but he didn't create it.

Emperor Trajan wasn't from Rome nor from Italy but from Hispania (Spain)

@alboin5684

Жыл бұрын

His family were originally from Italy. The town he was born in, was called "Italica" and was the first city the Romans founded outside Italy in 206bce towards the end of the second Punic war,in, what is present day Andalusia

1:13 "this monument" aka the Vittoriano, wasn't built to celebrate the republic as no republic existed yet. As the name suggests it was built in honour of the first king of Italy Victor Emmanuel II and as a monument to Italian unification

great video

i just went to Rome and the tour guide explained that pretty much every straight, wide, "modern looking" road is because of Mussolini. he wanted to connect ancient Rome with his regime. you can really tell the difference between the normal streets of Rome meant mostly for pedestrians and ones that are meant for cars. Via dei Fori Imperiali is the best example, because even from street level you can feel the Colosseum almost bearing down on you. Even the Roman Forum which it runs along, and which was buried below street level, seems almost as oppressive. it's crazy how architecture under fascism really captures that brutalist style, and even puts a spin on things that were there already, completely separate from that idea, and give them that fascist architecture dreadful feeling. really really fascinating stuff, especially seeing it with your own eyes how it was intended to be seen. amazing video btw

And that is the "Palace of the Italian Civilization". On the top there is the inscription: "A nation of poets, artists, heroes, saints, thinkers, scientists, sailors and migrants".

There's a debate about Via dei Fori imperiali at Gov't level, because as you said it cuts through the Roman artifacts. It's really helpful because it makes traffic flow more easily, but we all know it cannot be there forever.

Umm... no. That monument doesn't celebrate the Italian republic. It's called "Vittoriano" ("the Victorian") and it was built in 1911 to celebrate the 50 years anniversary since the unification of Italy. The monument is dedicated to Victor Emanuel II, first king of Italy and unifier of the nation that also of course gives the name to the monument. After WW1 in the Vittoriano has been instituted the "Motherland Althar" with the tomb of the unknown soldier always guarded by a guard of honor. The soldier is an Italian that died during ww1 and was unidentified and represents all Italian personnel fallen on the line of duty.

As I told the owner of another channel there will always be those who wish to see Italians as a subjugated people. Narrow Medieval alleyways were destroyed in virtually every other European capital befitting their great status so why should Italy have been different? Except to erase the history of Italy being home to the greatest builders in history. Via della Conciliazione was long overdue and beautifully designed the alleyways were of NO historical importance. There also some, I being first on the list who believe that the Palazzo della Civilta' Italiana is the most perfect building ever built in the world. Too bad only Fendi recognised it. It should actually be the capitol building of Italy instead of two average Renaissance buildings which are a dime a dozen in Rome. Sempre Avanti Italia.

Nice video but I do see bias. I think it's somewhat hilarious that he calls this Italy's most evil road because Mussolini kicked out some unfortunate residents and potentially destroyed some historical buildings, while there are roads connecting from Rome where people were crucified by the thousands in the Servile Wars.