This entire political move was so well planned and executed. First, credit humans with inspiring the alliance. Then, describe the benefits. Thirdly, terrify with a fleet of super advanced ships. After that calm everyone down and while they are still shocked make Sheridan president of the alliance

@kimnice

2 жыл бұрын

There were a big problem though: For few years Clark's regime had been warning about hostile aliens. Then after a massive orbital battle regular people see vast fleet of alien ships flying over them. This would have caused insane amount of panic among regular people. There would have been a lot of property damage and deaths. I mean in the previous episode Clark intended to use advanced Omega destroyer fleet to wipe out every defected Earth Alliance ship..to convince people that it's just aliens causing trouble. I would have used a lot of Thunderbolt-fighters in this formation. That way people would have realized the human involvement and it would have been even greater show of force.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

Sounds suspiciously like the hagellian dialectic, yes sorry my cynicism is showing.

@jamiewaterman8147

Жыл бұрын

Of course, being being a wussy or an appeaser gets you nothing but pain and suffering. History has proven that.

@sandal_thong8631

23 күн бұрын

I need to see that scene where they announce Sheridan as the president of the Alliance. Whichever party took over after Clark didn't like Sheridan; they wanted him as a hero to take over Babylon 5, but didn't like what he stood for after that.

@user-ym1pf4lz3h

17 күн бұрын

@@sandal_thong8631 I know I can't find it on youtube...any idea what season episode this is?

I can see Delenn has been reading some old earth history. She certainly knows how to "speak softly and carry a big( or in this case, loud) stick"

@MrAlexanderLang

4 жыл бұрын

Teddy wasn't much of a space cowboy.

@robertbusek30

3 жыл бұрын

TR would have liked Delenn...

Has anyone else noted that despite the giant leaps in technology, they still have those uncomfortable plastic chairs?

@Diogo503

2 жыл бұрын

that's realistic progression.

@thomas.parnell7365

2 жыл бұрын

And still have those uncomfortable bunks on ships despite now having artificial gravity technology .and better materials

@elizabethjansen2684

2 жыл бұрын

That's bureaucracy

@jefftappan3091

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe that's the zenith of chairs? I'd hope not, but I've been wrong before.

@DoremiFasolatido1979

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabethjansen2684 It's pragmatism. Technology is overutilized as it is. And we see the negative impact everywhere. But then the only other position of most people seems to be ban all technology, which is equally ridiculous. Right tool for the right job. Nothing more, nothing less. Using antigravity for a bed or something, would be like using a nuke where one of those little snap-popper fireworks would suffice...or using the oar of an ancient greek warship to eat a bowl of cereal.

Well said, beautiful lady. Rest in peace now, somewhere beyond the Rim... 💖

I love the shot of the EarthForce officers right after she says "It is their goal to CREATE the peace... not enforce the peace."

Delenn was the perfect example of a strong but not infallible woman.. Who wouldn't marry her 😊

@ledelste

4 жыл бұрын

I met and interviewed the actress at an industry event; oh, those eyes, so green, piercing...

@dreamcatcherben8214

4 жыл бұрын

me

@Futonghost

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't. Her husband would kill me. XP

@DEMETRIUSblaze

3 жыл бұрын

Me I'd get down on one knee

@alanmike6883

3 жыл бұрын

@@DEMETRIUSblaze 👍

Great moment in this epic series. R.I.P Delenn. You are now free among the stars.

This takes me back to my childhood years when I see this. I miss Babylon 5.

I've always loved this scene. Ominous music and show of force included. The ISA is what the UN here in the real world should be. Any organization dedicated to creating peace should be prepared to fight to create it and preserve it. "If you want peace, prepare for war".......... true words never spoken. Even Delen and Sheridan find this out in Season 5. And how badly it backfired when they had to support an ISA attack on Centauri, which played right into the Drakh's hands.

@aliciaborth3016

3 жыл бұрын

It's sad that to remain independent and impartial requires military might, otherwise risk being overtaken or forced to take a side by the powerful of the time.

@lordhawkeye

2 жыл бұрын

The thing that on reflection I forsee a problem is that while the Rangers currently have the most advanced fleet they can not improve over time. Over time races will discover new tech or rediscover lost tech from the old ones which will outclass what the Rangers are using. What do they do when that point nears? Do the Rangers resort to terrorist tactics to maintain their advantages? Who builds the ships as well? Does the new Alliance foot the bill for the Rangers, their training, housing and everything else a merc company requires to function? If so does that mean they will create a tax for all member races now? You see how the fantasy becomes a nightmare?

@zorkmid1083

Жыл бұрын

@aF Kayzar I got the impression the Alliance pays for it through a tax. It's the price for being part of the Alliance.

@OriginalMergatroid

10 ай бұрын

She specifically said the alliance would not enforce the peace so they would not fight to preserve it or get involved between neighbours other than with information.

@OriginalMergatroid

10 ай бұрын

And Delen and Sheridan did not support the attack on Centauri Prime. They said they would if the rest of the alliance thought it was necessary but the alliance pulled the attack off without telling them and Sheridan was pissed about it. They were finding out about the shadow tech that was used in Centauri ships at that point and would never have agreed to it.

whitestars are hands down the COOLEST ships in all of scifi

@JnEricsonx

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno....I have a little model of the Normandy SR-2 sitting in my room.

A White Star is actually roughly the same length as a Donnager class from The Expanse, so imagine dozens of Donnagers flying through the atmosphere.

@JnEricsonx

2 жыл бұрын

Amos and Alex looking out the window: HOLY SHIT! Holden: How's their coffee?

@trazyntheinfinite9895

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thought really. The donny surely has the drive power to basically brute force an ascend.... it would probably also torch the next few miles of the planet.

The announcement of the Rangers. Not only does it make you proud to be human, it makes you proud to be a human that is part of something greater!

Making a fleet of the most advanced ships fly over the conference in Earth air space is a power move and a half

@Lightingwarrior

3 жыл бұрын

It's a show of strength which is always needed when dealing with a major power, since Nations respect strength above all else

1:38 Look at Londo. Is it just me or is he getting a very unpleasant flashback of the day he looked up... and saw the Shadow fleet flying in the skies of Centauri Prime?

@robertbusek30

3 жыл бұрын

Very possibly.

Look at Sheridan... he is looking like yes that is why i married this woman.

@josekimasters6663

6 жыл бұрын

Who wouldn't?

@Hiraghm

6 жыл бұрын

Except she's not a woman.

@Administrator_O-5

5 жыл бұрын

Actually he's thinking "that's not even the best part...wait until you ass hats find out who the top dog of the ISA is... bitches"...

@guardian33

Жыл бұрын

​@@Hiraghm She's both human and minbari. She's female.

Message from Delenn is simple" get in line and cut the nonsense of conquest."

Klaatu's speech from the end of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (the original) would have fit perfectly in this scene. Love B-5!!

@shitholeworld

9 ай бұрын

It's all NWO programming crap, and you fell for it twice.

I watched this show for years, and I just realized the White Stars have their own "scream" just like the Shadow ships.

@patrickstivers7387

6 жыл бұрын

But their "scream" is more pleasant on the ears.

@mnc30162

6 жыл бұрын

Think the got it from XH558 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qn6g1aaic5y6cqw.html

@ProjectDv2

6 жыл бұрын

Of course. The White Stars are based off Vorlon technology, and like Vorlon and Shadow vessels they're based on living organic technology.

@mainmanbumfuzz8983

5 жыл бұрын

@@patrickstivers7387 I don't think the telepaths think so.

@patrickstivers7387

5 жыл бұрын

I don't remember telepaths having an issue with being on or around the White Stars. The only one who did was Anna and we all know why.

I would have loved it if the scene had been set up to have Sheridan behind her as the fleet flew over, with the Earthforce generals in front of her.

Love the White Stars just the sound the make takes me back to watching the show

@gregkelmis2435

4 жыл бұрын

Kate Ground I have the entire DVD set for the entire five years series I watched it numerous times it never gets old

I love the flyby - making her point so that no one mistakes it.

I remember this speech, super powerful. This is what the UN should have been. Information and building, not enforcement

@trazyntheinfinite9895

2 жыл бұрын

You apparently missed the huge fleet of whitestars which are the other shoe should tbe kimba ya shoe fail. The UN was always marred by 2 things: Veto powers, held by exactly tbe same people who basically start half the shitfires on the planet. Total Lack of military power.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

Honestly if governments did what they're supposed to we wouldn't need the UN.

B5 was and still beyond what we ever thought great deep show

I love how giddy Sheridan is when the Whitestars fly over. They are definitely one of the most deadly warships in science fiction.

@Slopmaster

Жыл бұрын

“Could I love her more.”

The music was so ominous that you'd almost think that the Alliance wasn't the good guys. For real the musical cues made it sound like Delenn was saying something sinister or that as soon as she was done speaking something bad was gonna happen. Just a funny choice of music there.

@T0ghar

5 жыл бұрын

But in the time-jump episode at the end of season 4, you see that the alliance and rangers don't give up on earth, even after earth has given up on them and almost destroyed itself in world war x.

@mossadon

4 жыл бұрын

Yup ! Spot on observation, Meta. i'll go as far as saying it's one of the worst musical miss uses i ever heard in a sci fi show. It took me out of the moment a lil bit.

The Ranger fly-over reminds me of the Allied fly-over over Tokyo on September 2, 1945 when the Japanese signed 'the instrument of surrender. Wondering out loud if this historical fact provided the inspiration for Straczynski to do the same.

@guardian33

Жыл бұрын

It really fits.

Gosh, I miss this show....

This is the White Star fleet, requesting flyby, over.

@peternotarfrancesco2614

6 жыл бұрын

Bookwyrm Hang on to your coffee mug!

@Administrator_O-5

5 жыл бұрын

Whitestar requesting to buzz the tower...

@BuriedFlame

4 жыл бұрын

"Negative, Ghost Rider. The pattern is full."

Could be wrong, but first ever use of the shaky hand-held camera jump-zoom effect in CGI? (Much used in Firefly, BSG etc...)

Just loving it look at those faces of the human generals.

I'm amazed the Earth Alliance Military were not shitting kittens when the White Star Fleet flew overhead.

@katherine101able

7 жыл бұрын

They were too busy peeing their trousers.

@Administrator_O-5

5 жыл бұрын

Especially given they had no idea they were there until the fly over...

@lordmech

5 жыл бұрын

it was a brown trouser alert moment.

@dragonson72

4 жыл бұрын

"General" What's the meaning of this who was manning Earth's defence grid "Captain" Lt. Smith sir "General" Lt. Smith, where did those ships come from "Lt. Smith" Sir, they just jumped out of Hyperspace and just as quickly jumped back in "General" Captain, I want Pvt. Smith manning a weather station on Pluto by the end of the day, just mail him his clothes

@user-gp4vo6sw1c

4 жыл бұрын

@@dragonson72 Conveniently Earth's defensive grid was just recently destroyed by the fleet in which these whitestars were included.

Just to break this down, G'Kar announces the new alliance and then Delenn goes on to introduce the Rangers and has them fly over the Earth government to prove her point about how powerful they are. She is talking about "peace," but the fly over just demonstrates that they will kick your ass if you try to attack them. Basically it is her saying "Look puny Earthlings our ships are more powerful than anything you have and we can fly them over your seat of government any time we want."

@hagamapama

8 жыл бұрын

+Kevin Bolton If an Alliance can't project force, it cannot protect its people.

@boltonkevin

8 жыл бұрын

+hagamapama there's projecting force and there's plain intimidation. They could have just mentioned the White Stars, but to have them flyover the Earth parliament just seems overkill.

@badjokemaker3051

8 жыл бұрын

+Kevin Bolton It's making a Point. Without it some guy would look the other. "What's a whitestar?"

@hagamapama

8 жыл бұрын

Kevin Bolton No. Projecting force and intimidation are close enough to the same thing that a distinction is not significant. If you're doing it right, anyone considering opposing you is intimidated.

@boltonkevin

8 жыл бұрын

+hagamapama look at where they are though. They are over the parliament. What would Americans think if a new alliance flew over The Capitol or the British if they flew over the Houses of Parliament? They could have made a reference to them and the role they played in the Shadow and Earth Civil Wars and just flown a few over.

Basically, Earth was given a choice: join the Alliance or get left behind the rest of the galaxy and become Mississippi.

@Hiraghm

6 жыл бұрын

No, Earth was given a choice: Join the Alliance or become western civilization surrounded by a parasitic 3rd world.

@marsneedstowels

6 жыл бұрын

Found the Clark sympathizer.

@lastswordfighter

6 жыл бұрын

Wrong Babylon 5 is a globalist propaganda wank fest like Star Trek. You are no different than the Trekkie cult in their irrational devotion to these series that spit in your face. Babylon 5 and Star Trek teach to accept being a second class citizen and give up everything for the sake of the one world order aka the New World Order aka one world government aka globalism.

@Lukos0036

6 жыл бұрын

No one stands alone. Nietzsche was a fool, and Ayn Rand was a sociopath.

@captrodgers4273

6 жыл бұрын

california*

awesome!

Wait, so the White Star ships arrived there unannounced? Just imagine some human commander mistaking that for an invasion or a raid or something and opening fire right there and then. If you come in peace with a surprise warfleet, you might want to avoid misundestandings.

@JH24821

5 жыл бұрын

That was always one thing I found a bit risky. Earthdome must be one of the heaviest defended places on Earth.

@SantomPh

4 жыл бұрын

@@JH24821 she showed that she means business, and that the Vorlon tech allows the White Stars to be almost invisible to sensors.

@irontemplar6222

Жыл бұрын

@@SantomPh That wouldn't have helped. Had I been a commander on the ground I would have scrambled everything to intecept immediately and began firing whatever weapons I could sceaming at those ships to indetify themselves and power down immeditly as they are violating earth space and a intersteller confrance.

Rangers got to flex their fleet. “I wish you would….. Go ahead test us!!!” Whitestar is still one of the best design ship in SciFi.

We are here.

The greatest written show. Imagine a reboot!

@Rschaltegger

4 жыл бұрын

You can recreate the visuals, update the CGI...but...it will be hollow. G`Kar, Londo, Vir and all the others can`t be recreated. They where giants walking amongst the stars

@elizabethjansen2684

2 жыл бұрын

The way they've been ruining series? No! They completely ruined Dune. Rented the first one out of sequence things not even implied in the books ,Or the other films. Characters changed and warped.

@TheKingTywinLannister

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabethjansen2684 yes all reboots sucks except Dune. I loved dune.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

@@TheKingTywinLannister I have to say I rented the newest dune movie and it was beyond awful. Out of sequence events is only the beginning but I've read the books more than a few times.

That female Presidents look as if she is getting ready to run for your life. LOL

whats funny is the fact i have a video labeled retirement has part of that scene in it.

Unfortunately she has passed mira furlan today I would recommend watching this at 0:55 because there is a whitestar pass over

@thedarkprinceVvvvV

3 жыл бұрын

Yes From the stars we came to the stars we shall return. We now comment the bodies to the deep.

@alternativefashiongothicga7

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedarkprinceVvvvV nice quote from ceremonies of light and darkness the episode after servered dreams even in that episode mira furlan does one of the best quotes . This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw, .. or be destroyed." [in the White Star!] "Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship." "Why not? Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else.

@thedarkprinceVvvvV

3 жыл бұрын

@@alternativefashiongothicga7 Very true, this series is one of my favorites ive been sharing it with friends who have never seen it since it came out before they were around.

@alternativefashiongothicga7

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedarkprinceVvvvV true but there is episodes like into the shadow of a z ha dum and zh ha dum where you see the icarus go to that planet and you here kosh say z ha dum and then the camera pans towards a dark cave then in that cave the most evil and horror alien in the Babylon 5 franchise a shadow alien that has 3 eyes on top and 4 on the bottom and one of the most strange insect sounds it puts a shiver when I see it I prefer them getting shot by PPG fire by Sheridan and londo guards . Do you see what I mean plus they have claws so that's how they must fight like Sheridan was injured in a z ha dum . Before kosh said jump jump now . Even Species8472 put a shiver in my body too from star trek voyager

@thedarkprinceVvvvV

3 жыл бұрын

@@alternativefashiongothicga7 yes I remember that, the shadows definitely had their own creepy scary vibe about them. especially the scream their vessels made when they went by or just the way they modified people in general.

This is very reminiscent of the formation of the UN. A shocked and war weary populace willing to embrace radical ideas to prevent another war.

@ConnorLonergan

4 жыл бұрын

Not really as the UN doesn't have the teeth

It's sad how inspiring the speech is only to know that humans fuck it up in a couple of hundred years for no real reasons...

@Hiraghm

6 жыл бұрын

Probably because it's not at all inspiring. Because it's political gobbledygook. A series of platitudes that have no basis in reality, let alone history.

💖👏

You can't rewrite history . This is Babylon 5.

I hope they never try to do a reboot of this series. Maybe improve the CGI. But nothing else. There is nothing else they can do to improve it. They certainly can't out do it.

@Kenneth2413

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately they announced a reboot:(

@JnEricsonx

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kenneth2413 That JMS is running. Though my skepticism could form a jump gate alone.

What is the name of this episode????

President Clark has a clone...like Palpatine

We get it. You want peace.

The music that plays when the Whitestars fly past Earthdome always make me a little unnerved. It just feels a tiny bit wrong, because it has sort of an intimidating tone and it always made me think of a show of force by an authoritarian power.

@Syndur

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but at the time, I also felt that it was necessary to show that the rangers are a serious obstacle to any kind of "oh yeah, let's just take the benefits and ignore the rules" ambition.

@travcollier

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's at least part of the point. Also, how she describes the Rangers... They are more like a spy agency which can fight than a military: space CIA or Mossad. However, they aren't authoritarian. The Rangers are independent. Each world in the alliance is independent and sovereign in all but how they deal with other worlds. Not sure that sort of structure could last long-term, but I'm not sure any political structure can.

😍

Among my people they are called the An’lashok... Among your people..they are called the rangers..

As much i loved this scene. It was a pretty aggressive move and could easily been seen as a thread.

@juandeleon1088

7 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that it was meant as a threat. The Interstellar Alliance may have been a peaceful organization. But they were not defenseless and powerless. The White Stars alone were feared by just about everyone.

@sternenwind00e

7 жыл бұрын

So, join us or else ...

@JH24821

6 жыл бұрын

@ Cassandra Stjarna I don't think it was meant as a threat, more to show that if Earth would join the ISA they would have a strong partner/ally and be part of an Alliance who can also defend its member worlds from outside threats. Delenn said that Humans and Minbari were part of the Rangers, which already is reassuring for Earth.

@NYUberDriver

6 жыл бұрын

Delenn says " Earth Alliance. Resistance is Futile. We will add your biological and technological distinctive to our own".

@Foebane72

6 жыл бұрын

I think Delenn had to be firm with the Earth Alliance, after the crap Clark had just pulled.

Those chairs though....

... and we have a Vorlon planet killer hidden in a secret subspace location. It is your choice, chose wisely.

Helluva a lot of White Stars. But, it is called ' power projection ' .

Why am i getting vibes of finland forming OSCE From this speech.

Delenn is the women every man dreams of. Beautiful, kind, intelligent, but when she encounters a giant spider in the house, she squeezes the life out of it. :D

@guardian33

Жыл бұрын

I prefer Susan. She sees a spider, it sees her, and drops dead on the spot.😂

@Nighthawke70

11 ай бұрын

Gimme Lyta. She'll just look at the spider.... "Yes, Mistress." And goes to kill the other spiders in the house.

Like League of Nations in the UN now you in troops are almost everywhere

Straight through Earth gov's defence network...

@nedames3328

2 жыл бұрын

Blown up due to Clark's sociopathic ending

This was the Episode when B5 actualy did achive its goal : To promote peace throughout earth and their allies. And with the Whitestar Fleet and the Rangers protecting said peace (Victory proves without a doubt that they can (RIP Excalibur thou, fine ship with fine commander went down to give the Victory the shot needed). Also... What Delen said is wrong. "Not on military force" yeaaaaa... shuuuure... Thats why you basicaly INVENT the White Star Destroyers, because it is not needed through military power.

From Delenn's lips to God's ears.

@guardian33

Жыл бұрын

Susan is death incarnate. Wouldn't need the Rangers' fleet of ships 😂

NATO.... never watched this.

@kamenridernephilim

7 жыл бұрын

Actually that is the UN and European Union both are attempts to take the right to self determination and sovereignty only in this show's case it's entire planets and civilizations and not just individual nations. Pretty much it is the cancer that is globalism or continental unions just in space.

@Gothic7876

7 жыл бұрын

Yea, you don't understand the ISA of Babylon 5... The ISA respected each Nations rights, such as electing their own leaders, as long as they kept to the ideals of the ISA

@10Tabris01

7 жыл бұрын

So basically, you'd favor a situation were states would fight it out roughly once every generation with millions dead and great potential lost, is that it? Thanks, but me as an European would prefer to get rid of those petty nation states then fight and die for the insanity of a "chosen" few

@MrAlexanderLang

4 жыл бұрын

@@kamenridernephilim UN is impotent, castrated, worthless, stronger countries can always invade weak ones under "humanitarian" clause even if it violates sovereignty of another nation, and is expressly forbidden by UN charter, and yet UN regularly ignores this if U.S. , Germany, France, England are the ones doing it. Globalism always existed, nationalism is a recent thing really, we can argue of which shade of grey is the darkest one but it's pointless. No no it's the corporations that are the problem, large multinational corporations, but just banning them won't solve anything, nor that you would be able to, U.S. itself is bought, and paid for by these large conglomerates, why would they want to change they have no incentive, i say they should get some, form a tax on accumulated wealth and tax 1% heavy, use that money to pay rest of the people fixed addition to their salaries, and expect standards to triple in quality.

I love this scene, and am a huge B5 fan. I know I will be in the minority here, but I have always been bothered by the White Star fly-over. Earth had just come out of a devastating and divisive civil war where many from the losing side were still at large. Sending the White Stars over the heart of the Earth Alliance government unannounced could easily have been seen as provocative, and undermined the Alliance offer for Earth to join.

@djhull6816

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. This was actually a BAD move by the ISA. You want a strong, but semi-defeated, power to join you? So you unexpectedly bring in a fleet of warships to intimidate them? What choice did they have?

A fleet of 50 alien ships does a flyover of Earth without its military or government knowing beforehand or detecting them arrive.

@theworldreportbydr.rothschild

Жыл бұрын

There was at least 1000 white star in the fly over.

Looking back on this it looks like a group of aliens have formed an alliance and invaded earth, threatening them into signing a treaty with a fleet of warships circling above. Pretty sketchy xD

@NATIK001

6 жыл бұрын

It's a callback to the misunderstanding that started the Earth-Minbari war. The Minbari show peaceful intent by showing their guns as silent. Delenn is showing Earth that the Interstellar Alliance's guns are silent.

@ApolloXL5

5 жыл бұрын

Actually during incident that started the Earth/Minbari war, it was the Warrior caste's way to approach unknown ships with their gun ports open (they can see their weapons as can the others). But the White Stars were under the control of both the Rangers and the Religious caste, who do not share that same tactic of the warrior caste.

@SantomPh

4 жыл бұрын

@@ApolloXL5 it is the traditional Minbari greeting regardless of caste.

@guardian33

Жыл бұрын

There's a story in there about someone resenting the minbari and hunting the rangers down for her spectacle.

That show of force in the middle of the earth capital, delenn really did not research earth history properly. Humans tend to don't react to such threats well. Still they were lucky, maybe humans were done fighting after the civil war.

This is how you flex.

Flying warships over Earth like that would be one of the dumbest things the ISA could do...

I love that scene, but I keep wondering how jms can reboot B5 without Sinclair, G’Kar,, Delenn, Vir, and Zathras.

@JnEricsonx

2 жыл бұрын

And Zach, and Garibaldi, and Franklin.

@elizabethjansen2684

2 жыл бұрын

Well they did destroy the station so it could be doable with other characters.

@evanboll4651

Жыл бұрын

It might be doable if you have it set during the Dilgar War, or from the perspective of an Omega class Destroyer.

Why did Delenn mention the First Ones? Thanks to Clark's regime, the people of Earth wouldn't have any idea who the First Ones are as they didn't even know about the Shadow War.

Imagine alternative ending where whitestar fleet opens fire and bombs the building to the ground

1:09 uh oh ...

1:58-2:22 isnt that a bit of a contradiction

Sounds quite similar to the United Federation of Planets or The Commonwealth of Nations

no one who watches the skies for a living gave them a heads up for this shit -cinemasins

If this was the EU they'd charge a big fee to the rich planets an exploit the poor planets.

Show of force... my forces don't need this...

The alliance good idea shame we can’t grow up and do it now

@RobertEWaters

5 жыл бұрын

Another problem, in the real world: a force that strong can easily become itself an oppressor. Might only makes right while right wields might.

@TheZorolord

5 жыл бұрын

Earth is already controlled by the Rothschild, just look it up on google they don't even care we know as they can think on bigger scales. Like the first one's we are mere Ants to the Rothschilds. The U.N is just one of their many tools to enforce the coming new world order. The NWO will become a oppressive system, it will be either comply or die. One prime example is the international refugee crisis is funded/promoted by them to destroy the western world (society) and create a new society in which they control all. Don't believe me just look on YT and read up about them.

@TheZorolord

5 жыл бұрын

@OriginalTharios it is factually and logical and completely relevant to this post, it's not my fault that you're oblivious to the truth. Insanity/stupidity is going around you're daily life, and believing that one world order is actually a good thing.

@TheZorolord

5 жыл бұрын

@OriginalTharios also you think I am the insane one look up this video and explain why the previous U.S administration would do this, and why U.N done and said nothing about this evil act. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWV7rZuEmNLVhLw.html all this is true and was done to protect the petrol dollar. If you still think I am insane, then you are beyond hope!

The white stars took the group by surprise, how did they all gather for this fly by and not get detected???? They were already at earth for its liberation post battle, but how???? Was earth force just missed it???? Kinda hard to miss 50+ ships in formation approaching your most important government building on earth and not detect it, even if they are friendly...

@toatahu2003

5 жыл бұрын

Earthforce couldn't detect Minbari vessels, and the White Stars are Vorlon+Minbari tech. They CAN'T detect them until they are close enough to be seen with the naked eye...

@nemo99nemo83

5 жыл бұрын

@@toatahu2003 And white star are pretty small ships if you think of the battles where some white stars suicided by flying in the hangar bays of omegas.

@aracuron9956

5 жыл бұрын

Also they opened there hyperspace exits rightvinsightvearth atmosphere, so where fo you want a detection network to be placed? If in hyperspace e, well I think Prior battles against Clarks Earth force weakened or even destroyed it and this accuracy of jumping right into the atmosphere in Formation, would have even impressed a group of warrior caste minbari captains.

Is it me or did the music get needlessly ominous?

I have no idea why JMS thought this was a good idea. Earth was just coming out of a civil war, where many even among the victors felt Sheridan's way was hasty - that the outright war left them weak and vulnerable to aliens. The losing side believed Sheridan was under the influence of aliens, in particular Delenn. So what do they do? Sheridan steps down, as per the deal he made with the new Earth president - but then he has a delegation of aliens with him who wish to make a speech on the occasion. Why? This was an Earth conflict, a civil war, a conflict where John had tried to keep aliens out as much as possible because of the bad optics. And from Earth's perspective, they would have no interest in alien input anyway. So aliens are giving a victory speech now? Maybe Clark was right after all 🤔 Worse still, when Delenn speaks, there's a power demonstration with a huge Ranger fleet of White Stars doing a fly-by, as she talks about the new alliance that she invites Earth to join. Oh god. How is this going to look? "Oh, the fleet is completely neutral, honest, and will be used for your protection - if you join. No, even if you join you will not get any White Star ships, they will not be under your command at all - but they're completely neutral, honest to god. And as you see, you certainly don't want to be on the _wrong_ side of this fleet." From Earth's perspective, this must have seemed as a threat and an ultimatum. Those who wished to court martial Sheridan would be proven right: "See, now we are completely vulnerable and defenceless to alien forces, and they are taking advantage of it". And those who had sided with Clark were likewise vindicated: "See, that's what we've been warning against all along!" Now, none of this is unrealistic. But JMS clearly wants us to think of Delenn as benevolent and wise; that this new alliance, that's the side of the _good_ guys. But in point of fact this is a protection racket at best, and an overture to a hostile takeover at worst.

humans value mutual cooperation and respect.

It does seam like what Clark was saying came true. Just saying

That was a terrible idea to fly that fleet overhead. That would have and should have lead to an outright shoot out and battle right there. Not to mention that would have terrfied people on earth.

@JH24821

9 ай бұрын

I assume the higher-up authorities were asked for permission in advance to allow this fly-over at this moment otherwise I entirely agree this would be a very dangerous move.

@irontemplar6222

9 ай бұрын

@@JH24821 Judging by their look of shock and Suprise... I would guess not,

Disney Star Wars wishes it was half the show B5 was.

Hmmm, does this not sound like the same ultimatum the Persians gave the Spartans. "Give us your best people so that we can plus up our military forces and we will not crush you. Do this as a sign of your submission." Hey delenn, if that were true then there wouldn't have been a human civil war. A war in which you were a part of.

Sh!t - they're even worse/more interfering than the Vorlons.....

Robert A. Heinlein... "Solution Unsatisfactory".

What about a false flag effort to blame another so that the alliance can destroy your enemy?

The creation of the An'la Shok (Rangers)!

@SantomPh

4 жыл бұрын

The Rangers had existed since the first Shadow War.

the rangers...or you mean ...the...Specters .... ;))

@waltermc3906

4 жыл бұрын

No

Sounds very much like what the European Common Market was touted to be, to the populations of the countries who voted to join in on those principles. Ideals can become easily corrupted... How soon before the InterStellar Alliance stars to tell the various races that the outcomes of their own peoples elections are the wrong ones, and force them to redo them. How long before they get forced into a common taxation policy, regardless of the various needs of their own worlds economic positions? How long before the ISA gets control of the armed forces of each world? How long before the ISA starts saying that anyone who speaks out against it, or want to leave it are enemies and right wing fascists? How long before the ISA starts inviting the allies of the Shadows into its n borders, and tells the indigenous races to simply suck it up, and to adapt to the culture of the Shadow Allies rather than try to encourage them to be the ones to adapt to the cultures they are immigrating into? Sorry Gkar.. but look back on Earth history and see how easily the voice of the masses gets downtrodden by the unelected few.

@Administrator_O-5

5 жыл бұрын

Erekose2023 2 things: 1) unlike the EU this show ended. & 2) it's only a show!...

@philipstearn4743

5 жыл бұрын

Also how long before you stop being a total bellend?

@toatahu2003

5 жыл бұрын

Answer: The second Sheridan and Delenn are dead... Sure, we, the audience, trust them to do the right thing, we know them. But what about who comes after?

@Ower8x

5 жыл бұрын

@@toatahu2003 Because this is a show and the outcome is what JMS wants ... never .... as indicated in the next episode Deconstruction of a falling Start....

@TheZorolord

5 жыл бұрын

@@Administrator_O-5 it won't be long, the E.U is at breaking point.

I dunno. If I was a regular Joe watching tis, it'd look like an invasion and an ultimatum to me. Not the best foot to start on.

So join us or die. I'd rather die.

Always hated this speech, it goes against everything the show was about. Join our alliance or else, straight out of President Clark's playbook. The White Star Destroyer wasn't even that good a ship and is shown to be weak against most cruisers available at the time

@thedarkprinceVvvvV

3 жыл бұрын

it was more join our alliance or be left behind, technologically and economically. President Clark had already isolated Earth the moment he stepped into office. So the Invitation was given to the earth to join the rest of the worlds who did join them alliance or be left in its isolated state. Yes, the earth had just been beaten militarily and pushed into a corner, but they didn't lose their entire military force either like the Narns did. The White Star was never really a destroyer class ship, probably why they could mass produce them as many as they did, but even in season 5, they mentioned how they were running out of them, to begin with. The Excaliber that followed was designed as a destroyer.

@robertbusek30

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedarkprinceVvvvV - So in a way, Delenn is bluffing Earth here.

@thedarkprinceVvvvV

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertbusek30 I wouldn't say bluffing, they already had shown the combined forces of the alliance which did include Earth ships was able to beat Earth force. They didn't outright destroy them as Clarks forces were doing they disabled them so they could be bypassed. Capture the ships to be used later instead of destroying the resource, saving Earth's military as a whole to be used later. Which would come in handy when the Drakh showed up. Delenn's Message about the Rangers to earth's military pretty much was like hey This is our police force and every member in the alliance recognizes the rangers and their strength and authority which is above all local authorities. IF you join us you will need to do so as well.

Ironic that this is an American show but esposes anti-neocon, Anti-US hegemony values more aligned to Russia, China and BRICS.

Change the line Rangers to Nato and the not aligned worlds League of Nations

This is a ripoff of Heinlein's "Solution Unsatisfactory". Those who actually like this scene are big fans of the show, and not big fans of freedom. "This is a political and economic alliance" that's why we have a massive, unstoppable fleet of warships flying overhead. THEY decided we'd be ruled by the interstellar alliance, and individual rights be damned.