Is Your MIL-SPEC AR-15 Actually MIL-SPEC?

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Is Your MIL-SPEC AR-15 Actually MIL-SPEC?
Your AR-15 may be full of MIL-SPEC (Military Specification) parts and components but, would it actually pass a MIL-SPEC qualification test?
MIL-SPEC is a good, universal set of standards that are backed up by testing and data. By following military specifications for your rifle, you gain a level of parts life expectation and universality of parts between platforms. That being said, not all AR-15 rifles are built equally and even if the parts that they have are MIL-SPEC, the rifle itself may not pass military testing standards through a 6,000 round endurance test.
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  • @Ash_95
    @Ash_95Ай бұрын

    "Honey, Magic Prepper says I need 50 mags and 6000 rounds of ammo."

  • @Blackpowderdad

    @Blackpowderdad

    Ай бұрын

    Ahahahaha 👍🏻

  • @hmbmbg9059

    @hmbmbg9059

    Ай бұрын

    If that works for you let the rest of us know.

  • @MagicPrepper

    @MagicPrepper

    Ай бұрын

    I'm Magic Prepper and I approve of this message.

  • @readyalready4697

    @readyalready4697

    Ай бұрын

    Maybe? Better to have it

  • @CIATFBI

    @CIATFBI

    Ай бұрын

    Jokes on you. Some of us already have over 150 (loaded) magazines. And enough additional ammo to reload multiple times. Get with the program already, it's 2024.

  • @mrdark9916
    @mrdark9916Ай бұрын

    My 2 rifles are kinda the epitome of Mil Spec lol A Colt 6920, and a 14.5 Geissele upper on a Colt lower. The things just run and run and run. Absolutely outstanding rifles. And both got INCREDIBLY cheap on sales over the years. I do swap gas rings/extractor spring/firing pin and retainer pin every 4k(ish) rounds as part of a standard maintenance cycle as they are just so cheap so stock up. I just have a bin with like a dozen swaps of each just sitting in my gear room with all my other spare parts/springs/detents ect. One thing I always recommend to people is to get a toolbox or some sort of container (depending on how much stuff you have) that offers storage and organization for keeping track of ALL small parts and hardware they get over the years. ANY Mounts, switches, buckles, straps, hardware, springs and detents, the tools and bits that often come with everything, spare gun parts, Mlok nuts and bolts, loctite, just everything. Anytime I get something new the extra parts and pieces ect gets put in a bag with a clear label of EXACTLY what it is and what it's used for. It just makes it so much better as you acquire more and more things over the years, to just have everything localized. Whether its a replacement screw for a holster or mag pouch, gun parts, spare buckles or straps for chest rigs and packs, or spare hardware for an optic or flashlight mount, or a spare cable and pressure pad, or a bit kit for tightening/loosening EVERY detatchable accessory on a gun, ect. Its nice to know i have everything in 1 place In my case it is a large mechanic style toolbox with a bunch of drawers and compartments. And everything is labelled. I open one of the "hardware" drawers and inside is a ton of ziplock bags with labels on them detailing exactly whats in each bag. Trust me, youll thank me later. One day I got incredibly tired of having to search for shit and in some cases end up buying a new one just to find the old one a month later ect.

  • @timunderbakke8756
    @timunderbakke8756Ай бұрын

    I’m not overly worried about milspec itself and more just reliability of the rifle. I’m pretty happy with what I’ve got for the most part.

  • @ltGargoyle

    @ltGargoyle

    Ай бұрын

    reliability of ones rifles and sidearms is all that is important. the fancy gagets can become a detriment.

  • @jmmartin7766

    @jmmartin7766

    Ай бұрын

    (^^^) 💯 To both of you. I was issued a Colt A2 in the service that was far less reliable than my M&P 15 Sport 2. If your weapon doesn't work when it needs to, you're not going to make it off the battlefield

  • @Blackpowderdad
    @BlackpowderdadАй бұрын

    I’ve learned that if I start a sentence to my wife with “magic prepper was talking about BLANK” that her eyes roll. So now I say “hey I was listening to this smart guy on KZread” and that usually tricks her! Ahaha

  • @Huntoutdoors1
    @Huntoutdoors1Ай бұрын

    To a civilian it does not matter if it is or not as long as it functions accurately and cycles mil spec ammo !! Its a no biggie man .

  • @Smalltown-1776

    @Smalltown-1776

    Ай бұрын

    Well I kinda disagree, I say that bc there’s not even supposed to be a stand military. Well a federal standing military, we the ppl are supposed to be said standing military. Obviously logistics prevents us from all coming together to assure we have what’s needed should it ever be necessary. Point being we need to know that it does more than just cycle at the flat range. Where many RO’s do not allow things like rapid fire & such, which dampers our ability to know how capable our gear is. Unless held to a “MILSPEC” standard…that coincidentally shouldn’t even exist. Obviously the state of the world & society it’s outlandish to think we shouldn’t have said entity or that it would even be possible to be a part of the world stage atp w/o it…

  • @Joe_Brown99

    @Joe_Brown99

    Ай бұрын

    @Huntoutdoors1 Yep

  • @Joe_Brown99

    @Joe_Brown99

    Ай бұрын

    @@Smalltown-1776 Blah blah blah

  • @Joe_Brown99

    @Joe_Brown99

    Ай бұрын

    @@Smalltown-1776 How’s that stack against the soldiers during Vietnam that hated the ar15 platform Also something about sig vs glock The list goes on

  • @ssiiggyy1980
    @ssiiggyy1980Ай бұрын

    If very well, it goes pew, then it'll do.

  • @Knight_Who_Says_Nee
    @Knight_Who_Says_NeeАй бұрын

    The new Springdfield Armory 'SA-16A2' is as milspec (for the A2 era of the AR/M16 platform anyway) as it gets in an all-stock production clone rifle. For one thing, it has the chrome-lined 1-in/7 right hand twist inside the barrel, which the M16A2 has. I know, because I'm former U.S. Army with a 15-month Iraq deployment to speak of, back during the 1st wave of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Therefore, the Springfield Armory SA-16A2 has the very same 550-meter effective range that the M16A2 has as well; I also know that for a fact not only because the field manuals for the M16A2 clearly state that stat, but because back during my boot camp at Fort Jackson South Carolina, one of the rifle ranges we recruits went to for marksmanship training was called the "Unknown Distance Range." That range consisted of successively further away rows of automated target units, each row of them further out in front of us behind the next, that would spontaneously and randomly pop up black pladtic silhouettes of upper halves of human beings. And some of the rows of these auto-targets made us shoot out to as far as 500 meters. And yes, I did hit those at that distance, with the M16A2 rifle using green-tip 5.56 NATO rounds. So, while a lot of modern production AR15A2's made by various manufacturers such as Rock River Arms (for example) may LOOK milspec on the outside, so far I've ONLY ever seen Springfield Armory's SA16A2 include the right-hand 1/7 twist rate as a stock feature. That, and you can go to Model1Sales.com to buy a complete milspec AR15A2 upper half to put on any lower you feel like. On their website, that upper half is found under the 'Government Profile Upper Halves' drop-down menu. The aforementioned Rock River Arms version only ever got as close as including a 1/8 twist barrel. Don't ask me why. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE: The best way to know if your milspec AR platform rifle is milspec, is by doing any one or more of the following things: 1) do your research when BUILDING one, piece by peace. And, that research really should including not only talking to any number of U.S. military vets who were schooled on the specs of the rifle they used in whatever war they were in, but buying copies of all the appropriate field & tech manuals for which ever generation of the milspec AR15/M16 you're trying to build (whether it's intended to be an A1 clone of the Vietnam-era M16A1, or a clone of the M16A2 that first saw action in Desert Storm and then beyond). 2) Buy a surplus M16A2 upper half, and put it on a semiauto-only AR15 lower half 3) SERVE IN THE FRICKING MILITARY YOURSELF LIKE I DID, AND GET TRAINED & EDUCATED on the rifle specs first hand. Thank you.

  • @mblake0420

    @mblake0420

    Ай бұрын

    Lol😂

  • @filippocorti6760

    @filippocorti6760

    Ай бұрын

    I didn't know a person can acquire a surplus M16A2 upper that was in the military.

  • @filippocorti6760

    @filippocorti6760

    Ай бұрын

    The 1/7 twist on mil-spec rifles is due to tracer rounds, which are long. Outside of those rounds, a 1/8 or 1/9 twist rate is better for ammo up to about 70 grains or so.

  • @timunderbakke8756

    @timunderbakke8756

    Ай бұрын

    @@filippocorti6760you can’t. You can just ignore the retro rifle shill who claims serving equals understanding the ins and outs of the rifle. Hate to say it, but I’ve seen some who served that are terrible on their gun knowledge even if they had some proficiency as a rifleman.

  • @markwellsfry9843

    @markwellsfry9843

    19 күн бұрын

    I'm over 60 yrs old, so I can't join the military, even if I wanted to. There was no way I was going to join for president peanut farmer, and I would join under president diaper pants.

  • @semperanticusphotography3749
    @semperanticusphotography3749Ай бұрын

    At 17k rounds through what started life as an M&P 15, the small parts far exceeded those wear out standards and the barrel died at about 11k rounds (most of which were cheap Russian steel). I wish I had documented other malfunctions over the years, it would make for interesting reading and sorting what was user error versus magazine issues, ammo issues (I remember an absolute nightmare of a Lake City batch that hated every rifle), and actual firearm issues. There's almost nothing original left on that rifle these days, but it is still a workhorse.

  • @jmmartin7766

    @jmmartin7766

    Ай бұрын

    (^^^) I'm asking this because I have a Sport II that I love and rely on, too. It's been more reliable than my Army issued A2 was. Like you I had a batch of S&B ammo that was terrible--I'm pretty sure the bullets weren't seated far enough into the cases... Anyway, when your 1st barrel got to that 'failure point' (approx. 11K rounds), did the accuracy just fall off drastically? Or was it more gradual? I've been thinking about keeping a log book for it, and you've sinched that for me

  • @semperanticusphotography3749

    @semperanticusphotography3749

    Ай бұрын

    @@jmmartin7766 The grouping started to open up in the last thousand, but when it gave up the ghost, it was pretty sudden (over the course of about 180 rounds). All of a sudden, nearly every round was keyholing at only 50 yards. I scoped the barrel and the rifling was just gone; I may as well have been using a smoothbore musket!

  • @jmmartin7766

    @jmmartin7766

    Ай бұрын

    @@semperanticusphotography3749 I appreciate you getting back to me. I know these are good rifles, but I also know everything has a shelf life. Thanks for letting me know what to expect

  • @semperanticusphotography3749

    @semperanticusphotography3749

    Ай бұрын

    @@jmmartin7766 no worries! Use it and just replace stuff as needed. I ended up gutting the lower and putting in all new parts, but that was mostly because I wanted a project. I've rebuilt the entire upper, but I still call it the MP15. I even clean it once in a blue moon.

  • @jmmartin7766

    @jmmartin7766

    Ай бұрын

    @@semperanticusphotography3749 I'll be moving to NE Texas in the next couple of years and I have plans on mine becoming my "ranch truck/vehicle" carbine at that point. Hopefully, it'll be replaced as my 'go to' by a DDM4 V7, by that time. But who knows?

  • @Ravespillo
    @RavespilloАй бұрын

    Great info, thanks!

  • @ouachita_okie
    @ouachita_okieАй бұрын

    Once again.. great info

  • @twinarrowssurvival.2.065
    @twinarrowssurvival.2.065Ай бұрын

    Solid knowledge transfer brother....

  • @inthewoods3237
    @inthewoods3237Ай бұрын

    I get what you’re saying, however the military does not test every rifle! Just different manufacturers to see who they give their contracts to!! Anyone who would o that to their personal weapon is crazy!

  • @DaveWomach
    @DaveWomachАй бұрын

    Another great video MP. 😎🤘🏻. Thanks for the breakdown!

  • @ScorpioSin777
    @ScorpioSin777Ай бұрын

    Well done, and good job. This is the difference between a go to war battle rifle and a range toy. Nothing wrong with the range toys…of which I enjoy. However, a trustworthy, reliable, and accurate rifle has no substitute. They are protecting life and liberty. Hence priceless… The last thing anyone needs is for it to go “click” when your life is on the line.

  • @ltGargoyle
    @ltGargoyleАй бұрын

    great video. I will actually start keeping a record for my gear.

  • @johnd9267
    @johnd9267Ай бұрын

    First video I’ve seen in weeks on my feed

  • @MPGunther1
    @MPGunther1Ай бұрын

    🤣🤣 I have too many guns to put 6000 rounds in one of them. Oh yea 2:00 was hilarious

  • @Texasprepper
    @Texasprepper2 күн бұрын

    I will just be over here with my Colt le6920...sitting this one out.

  • @stephenpetrikowski
    @stephenpetrikowskiАй бұрын

    BCM is looking good man! Just took mine out over the weekend to a night vision shoot.

  • @daviddrago9360
    @daviddrago9360Ай бұрын

    The magazine drop had me rolling 😂😂😂 cuz I’m no better 😂😂😂

  • @recon1986
    @recon1986Ай бұрын

    You do realize a mil-spec rifle is 4 MOA.....

  • @Texasprepper

    @Texasprepper

    2 күн бұрын

    You do realize that the average Joe is 12m.o.a.?

  • @ABirdFreedomSupport
    @ABirdFreedomSupportАй бұрын

    Military testing is often intended to facilitate a austere environment or little to no upkeep. Majority of military testing is often not relevant to the civilian sector. Often the term mil-spec is used as a baseline for parts compatibility one example being buffer tube and furniture diameter. The term can also be seen being used in the following...These specifications outline the requirements that firearms, including the AR-15, must meet to be considered suitable for military use. However, in the context of the AR-15, the term "mil spec" is also used to describe custom AR parts that strive to meet the same specifications as those set by the military So mil-spec actually has a few different ways it is utilized unfortunately this can and will cause a lot of disagreement and confusion.

  • @albertmedalla3941
    @albertmedalla3941Ай бұрын

    Great video for science. Will send this to new ar15 owners I know

  • @dependablekit5500
    @dependablekit5500Ай бұрын

    I generally run FN barrels BCM bolt carriers Geissele lower parts kits Tubbs recoil springs Geissele triggers and Receiver Sets the only real failures I have seen is hard primers running the ammo from Freedom munitions the reman 55 grain or junk steel case failures to eject my extractor tore off the shoulder of the steel case lol great video absolutely one of the best on KZread just want to put out there there is a gun range in Vegas where you just pay and shoot they only run Daniel Defense BCM and now have been running some FN they have had Daniel Defense barrels make it to a 100k but bcg's usually have bolt failures around 10k says alot about BCM and Daniel Defense but that aside really great video

  • @cccc7666
    @cccc7666Ай бұрын

    Mil spec is the highest quality from the lowest bidder. A hmmwv is mil spec but no one who has actually drove or ridden in them in the military drives them in the civillian life for their every day driver. Mil sepc is just that the bare minimum spec not quality

  • @mindsetperformance5509
    @mindsetperformance5509Ай бұрын

    My wife and I each have a BCM 14.5” with a surefire warcomp pinned and welded. I love those rifles. I keep telling my dad to buy an AR. He has a Winchester 94 30/30 that we bought him for Father’s Day. Needs a modern rifle too though. lol

  • @readyalready4697
    @readyalready4697Ай бұрын

    Missed ya ND

  • @FragoutDesign
    @FragoutDesignАй бұрын

    Why are you outlined in green jello?

  • @RichardsCranium
    @RichardsCraniumАй бұрын

    Sotar has enter the chat.

  • @dustinpribble1546
    @dustinpribble1546Ай бұрын

    Its important to note that multiple.... several firearms under go this test to get the mil spec stamp of approval. Im sure there is an allowance for certain number of guns within the test lot to fail.

  • @MatWestfall
    @MatWestfallАй бұрын

    What company is the chest rig? I’m in the process of testing different rigs and my bank account would love me more if I try another one :)

  • @MichaelR58
    @MichaelR58Ай бұрын

    Good video, thanks for sharing YAH bless !

  • @jayman1338
    @jayman133827 күн бұрын

    What about an aluminum gas block?

  • @operatorsanonymous1741
    @operatorsanonymous1741Ай бұрын

    3:32 think in the first 6000ish rounds of my 14.5 I've had 2 FTF's. Nothin else. Extractor spring and gas rings are still good. So my rifle is better than milspec. 😊

  • @readyalready4697
    @readyalready4697Ай бұрын

    Get stuff that you're glad you have ⛏️🦖💨

  • @rustyshackleford9017
    @rustyshackleford9017Ай бұрын

    look at the loot drops trying to improve 😂

  • @lanejohnson7656
    @lanejohnson7656Ай бұрын

    Personally I care less about mil spec and military contracts. Personally find it hilarious how many people get caught up in it and think they have to run what the military runs because they seem to think they are going to be a top tier operator constantly kicking down doors, clearing rooms in non stop firefights.. lol Watch to much Rambo and play to much call of duty. Sure there is scenarios where we will be teamed up fighting to save the country from an invading force, but I see that far less likely.. If my group finds ourselves in a very hot environment we will be looking to relocate, if we find ourselves in a firefight we will be looking for an exit to escape and evade. We fully understand we don’t have plot armor to stay in a firefight to win it, no backup coming and not in the military with the logistics. Let the Rambo’s and call of duty heroes duke and take each other out. I actually shoot my firearms. If they have malfunctions I fix them. For example my 10/22 was finicky on ammo so I fixed it and now it will eat even the most garbage ammo I can find. Is it “mil spec, military grade or war tested”? Nope. But if I’m out small critter hunting in SHTF and run across people looking to do me ill I trust it to throw some lead giving me a chance to escape. Even my $400 Ruger 556 hasn’t given me many issues. Can’t think of any actually. Sig none and home assembled threw some small fits until sorted them out. A lot of people will say I’m going to die because I don’t have a $2,600 Daniel Defense… Okay. But statistically they are going to get smoked by Bubbas $300 savage rifle, scope combo he bought at Walmart from 500 yards without them even knowing he is there. Not claiming to be excluded from that. Often times I wonder if I wasted $3,200 on body armor because of that reality.. lol

  • @thedragon1322

    @thedragon1322

    Ай бұрын

    Exactly. People put way too much emphasis on that term "mil spec". The majority of your firearms meet or exceed those standards and really aren't worth worrying about.

  • @lanejohnson7656

    @lanejohnson7656

    Ай бұрын

    @@thedragon1322 Not to mention manufacturers go above and beyond to make sure they enter the crème of the crop trying to win a contract. MASSIVE amounts of money if they win. Better chance than not it won’t be the same rifle manufactured and assembled to the same standards.. lol

  • @christophermitchell7925
    @christophermitchell7925Ай бұрын

    I consider mil-spec to be the lowest of the acceptable options available. Mil-spec certainly isn’t the best, but it gets the job done. Take a mil-spec trigger vs a good trigger, there’s a big difference. Aftermarket upgrades to formerly mil-spec parts can make a huge difference in both performance and longevity.

  • @poortac5568

    @poortac5568

    Ай бұрын

    I think it depends on what you want. Is your priority reliability or something else. I like a nice trigger, but if you get a batch of hard primers, a milspec hammer/spring will still ignite the primers (when a lot of lighter aftermarket options choke). After seeing a lot of “aftermarket” AR parts fail, I stick to mil spec as much as I can. I prefer reliability over a slight increase in potential accuracy, comfort, etc. But Im an old man at heart 👴🏻😂

  • @gatormcklusky5850
    @gatormcklusky585026 күн бұрын

    the problems people run into is tolerance stacking. ALL the parts are so called mil spec because the parts fit together but when using many different parts from many different venders one can run into slightly different tolerances & once all these different tolerance are stacked one can run into problems. in saying that one should not run into this buying a complete rifle from a respectable company

  • @savagehunger3315
    @savagehunger3315Ай бұрын

    Personally I prefer better than mil spec. :) The bar isnt that high tbh.

  • @jeffreybateham9527
    @jeffreybateham9527Ай бұрын

    Whose got a spare 6000 I can borrow.. lol

  • @allencollins6031
    @allencollins6031Ай бұрын

    For the algo.

  • @tacticalmattfoley
    @tacticalmattfoleyАй бұрын

    I've been led by the internet people to believe mil-spec wasn't a compliment........

  • @Joe_Brown99

    @Joe_Brown99

    Ай бұрын

    It’s not

  • @SweetStat

    @SweetStat

    Ай бұрын

    Mil-spec is absolutely a standard its a domestic militart equipmentstandard. Just as STANAG is a standard agreement between nato nations. "Military grade" grade is a buzz work for selling bullshit. Sometimes it specifies materials, sometimes tolerances and sometimes service life.

  • @Joe_Brown99

    @Joe_Brown99

    Ай бұрын

    @@SweetStat How’s that stack against the soldiers that hated the ar15 platform during Vietnam

  • @SweetStat

    @SweetStat

    Ай бұрын

    @@Joe_Brown99 soilders in Vietnam got handed m16s with no training, no cleaning kits and no lube. The AR platform does not like to run dry. Specially not for prolonged previous of time in full auto. Squirt some lube on that bcg and it'll running reliably for thousands of rounds no cleaning.

  • @Joe_Brown99

    @Joe_Brown99

    Ай бұрын

    @@SweetStat All that is testament to how the AR15/M16 isn’t a good (fighting) platform and so (MILSPEC) isn’t really a reliable metric

  • @eagleclaw6
    @eagleclaw6Ай бұрын

    When I was in the Army I had broken my foot and had to spend weeks everyday in the Armory and clean weapons all day long!! Got old after awhile. I will say that most of them that were turned in after a day on the range were Filthy!!

  • @annieoakley1905
    @annieoakley1905Ай бұрын

    Hi MP, did ya stop the livestreams or did the algorithm screw us again? I keep gettin' unsubbed to Patriots and i KNOW that's a YT thing, it's driving me nuts. :(

  • @poortac5568
    @poortac5568Ай бұрын

    If you want to see what actual military specs are on individual components, go to the SOLGW page and look at their parts. They list nearly every spec of every part they have. Other than a few “upgrades” like 5 spring extractor springs. If a manufacturer doesn’t list the same specs, they arent milspec 👍 BCGs are usually the worst offenders of falsely being called “mil spec”.

  • @caesarselfreliance.4081
    @caesarselfreliance.4081Ай бұрын

    No. My rifles are significantly better than mil spec.

  • @SirWhiteRabbit-gr5so
    @SirWhiteRabbit-gr5soАй бұрын

    Mil-Spec. = Lowest Bidder Vendor.

  • @Joe_Brown99
    @Joe_Brown99Ай бұрын

    Service people would disagree During Vietnam they hated the ar15 platform in the military

  • @dirtlegdirtleg
    @dirtlegdirtlegАй бұрын

    Your back stop is not 100% effective. I would challenge you to stand behind your targets while somebody else is shooting. Guarantee rounds are going off property

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