Pretty reckless. I feel that this sort of behaviour will get us all locked out

@J-P88

2 ай бұрын

IS getting us all locked out, gates have been getting locked for a long time and they use this sort of crap to speed it up

@sallhame

2 ай бұрын

It seems like this car had its gaspedal exchanged with an on/off switch.

@jmoore9806

Ай бұрын

Na....it's your loving govement that will lock you out....just like they locked you up during covid

Every time one of your local tracks gets closed, you can thank clowns like these blokes.

You are very polite in your commentary. You are a better man than I am. The littering and everything else shows me they have no regard for others and I will leave my thought at that.

And this is exactly why we keep getting locked out of places.

@richardpowell3266

Ай бұрын

The positive is that while these guys were destroying the Patrol they weren't hooning in the suburbs and running over children.

@diggeroldmate8122

Ай бұрын

Spot on

What amazes me is the growing trend on KZread, that seatbelts are not needed once you leave the bitumen. You don't have to look far to see examples of this. They connect the buckles and sit on top, so the alarm doesn't work. This Video is a classic example of why tracks are being closed for good.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Not only seat belt but get on the cans

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

Not just the seatbelts but it seems so many think the rules stop where the bitumen ends.

@terrybailey4039

2 ай бұрын

It's called trashing the tracks and wrecking your car. "Or look at how big my ego is."

@punk46664

2 ай бұрын

Open windows get to me too, especially without seatbelts. There's nothing to stop you going straight out and under the car. There is a reason comp trucks run window nets

@timothyschulz4730

2 ай бұрын

Videos like this amd these fools shouldn't even be made. It is an absolute shame we have so many idiots in this industry. Great video Matt, they really need to watch this

It’s not 4WDriving - it’s 4WCrashing. Some people are impressed by it, but the ones who have passed the pimple years of puberty are not.

The dog was the smartest person on scene.

Well broken down and worded Matt. These things need to be said and people need to learn before there is nowhere left to off road. I'm sure guys like this will be the first to complain when tracks are closed. Keep doing what you are doing Matt, great content.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Much appreciated

@FuckGoogle502

2 ай бұрын

Already happened around my home here in Virginia. I used to be able to go out and drive for miles on dirt roads, but they all got closed to through-traffic because of the people (mostly highschoolers) being idiots, wrecking and blocking the road or doing burnouts until the ruts were too deep for the residents to get their cars in and out.

I've finally got myself a 4wd but now there's nowhere for me to go and enjoy it. These idiots are the reason for that

I was starting to be like what’s he doing wrong besides rolling but when you said do it on private property that made so much sense. If you wanna act a fool don’t be in areas that can be shut down cause someone acting a fool. All the glass, oil, and the crap that falls out/off vehicle. Everyone should be respectful of public lands so they don’t ruin it for everyone else.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

100%

@TheInvisibleRedneck

Ай бұрын

I thought they were at Windrock for a second.

You’re more polite and patient than I am Matt and I think from reading all the negative comments that there is nothing I could possibly add to highlight the stupidity and total disregard of our national parks. This is the type of 4x4ing we don’t need.

This act of brazen, moronic stupidity makes my blood boil - both the littering and the driving standards. I see behaviour like this all of the time here in the UK on our so-called "green lanes" (which are unsurfaced public roads to those overseas) to the point I'm convinced it's the majority here and not the minority who behave like this. I'd say we should be educating these people but in my experience they don't want to be educated, and would carry on regardless. As for the alcohol, it should never be mixed with operating a vehicle of any sort. People get killed through drinking and driving, and I'm sure many of us know, or are aware of, at least one person affected by someone driving in an impaired condition.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Well said. My brother was killed due to alcohol and driving.

@harrywalker968

2 ай бұрын

hey,,d.head.. we are restricted to fk, with 4x4 mods.. these roll overs deaths are avoidable,, IF WE HAD 4X4 RULES, NOT FKN CAR RULES.. rtrds.. rule in u.s., ''oh,,were not in the u.s.'' fk off.. rule in the u.s., is, you raise your 4X4, 4'', you fit 4'' bigger tires, brakes, ratio,s , to offset the weight.. seems to work.. here though, 2'' raise, with std tires, ratios, brakes,. or even 4'' with '' bs,,engineers ticket '', for 4k.. total bs rules.. when you turn 16, you learn to drive a car, get a licence,, if your not stupid.. but,, i can buy a 60k 4x4, go anywhere, & kill myself.. yup,,that makes perfect ausie sense.. @@MadMatt4WD

@harrywalker968

2 ай бұрын

???.. you got a short w.base bundera,, that shows, you a fkn rtrd..@@MadMatt4WD

@harrywalker968

2 ай бұрын

seeing there trying,,to wreck it, then this vid is void.. plus, 35 psi, dont cut it..@@MadMatt4WD

@davids.4760

Ай бұрын

This is happening all over the world. In the USA, trails are getting closed all the time. because of it. It's too late for education at this point in life. The education needed to start when these people were toddlers. There is no respect for mastery anymore There is no interest in pursuing it, and anyone who seeks it is just seen as a fool. Stupidity is glorified. It's a race to the bottom, and this group of guys are at the front of the pack rounding the final curve. By the time I'm gone, there won't be anyone competent to bury me.

These muppets should lose their license and receive fines. The towing vehicle clearly isn't registered for road use, this fact in addition to many other aspects of the demonstrated behaviour reinforces the group's intent to disregard all rules and a total lack of respect for the environment and others who access the area. Thanks for sharing MM. Cheers

Clearly the guy’s got the result they were after & would have kept going until the vehicle was trashed! It’s a shame, those Gq’s are great for the young guys to learn in & affordable & tougher than a bulls backside. I really hope they cleaned the entire track, so there wasn’t a trace of this rollover ever happening or of a drink out in the bush. If not GO BACK & CLEAN UP YOUR MESS!!! Thanks Mad Matt 👍

The throttle to brain ratio is out of wack.

@LastChanceFossil

Ай бұрын

Lmaoooooo 😂😂😂

Matt you have been kind and very generous in your breakdown and assessment of this situation, this is just outright stupid and dangerous, there's a (assuming) perfectly good winch and perfectly capable (probably worth restoring classic) vehicle with no offroad driving skill demonstrated, made me angry and this crap spoils it for us genuine adventurous 4wd drivers.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Thanks I do have to control myself.

You are the 4wd dad. The approach you took on this video and others is very much what we need. Not talking sh*t or yelling about it. You just want to show the viewers what can happen and how to better the situation. Love it mate 👊🏼

I’m not against anyone owning whatever brand of vehicle they like. The more makes the better but Mullets, alcohol and GQ ‘s do tend to go together

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

I will probably upset a few people here but Alcohol and Patrols/Rangers seem to be very popular combinations.

@guitarplayerlp7018

2 ай бұрын

totally agree, Rangers are Bush Commodores@@OnCountryWithMick

@AffectionateBoatLake-kd5in

2 ай бұрын

Alcohol bogans and Toyota's tend to go together.

@bears2604

2 ай бұрын

Lol always see bogans in Toyota's. I'm proudly one of them

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

@AffectionateBoatLake-kd5in but this was a Nissan. Sadly the same applies for Nissan & Ranger drivers quite often at least around my area.

11:30 thank you for clearing that up. Calling it how it is Matt, this was one painfully long goon exhibition and nothing was achieved but pure embarrassment. Shame that GQ was in good condition too. It took a bunch of goons doing a terrible job spotting and reverse sending it the bottom for it to finally leave the chat.

@bryanrush7383

2 ай бұрын

When I was a kid (in America) we called them thongs too

This video is humorous because Matt is very cerebral and professional with his neatly trimmed beard, calm voice and laptop. However, the guy driving in the video is part of the IDGAF crew

Glad you're calling out gronks like these

A good line is more important than a heavy throttle.

The 4wd community needs you Matt as a leader to ensure our tracks stay open. These idiots only think of their fun today and they don’t care about tomorrow. You can still have an awesome time without destroying the tracks and vehicles. We need to follow other countries like the US to preserve our 4wd tracks for the future.

When I first got into the offroad scene pre-covid, I always struggled in making 'quality' mates my age. Never wanted to send it, get on the drinks, and roll vehicles, yet everytime a 'meet' is organised it turns out similar to this scenario; ego, adrenaline and right foot - not interested in seeing someone lose a limb. Need more 4WD Clubs focused on young folk, lead by experienced role models. I'm also inclined to say that if you publish videos like this, which does promote the act to others, you should face fines for littering, drinking while operating a vehicle, and reckless driving - possibly loss of license, if this was a commodore in suburbia it would go that way. It's one thing to have an accident, it's another when it's clear arrogance and negligence.

@scottdonna2690

2 ай бұрын

look at the vehicles of those you plan to go out with before you go is a massive indicator . most of us out there would be more than happy to take a tag along learner so to speak. tidy well maintained cars youll usually find a level headed driver. wheel hard wheel properly camp clean bury your business and enjoy it

@dbadventures9869

Ай бұрын

I’ve been 4wding for around 26 years now and I have seen a fair bit in that time. Sadly, social media is driving this sort of behaviour amongst younger people. It’s so refreshing to see that there is someone from this generation that is completely the opposite. Keep doing you, mate. Follow and learn from those that don’t subscribe to the smash and bash way of driving and you will do well. Hopefully you’ll inspire a lot more people in your age group to do the same. 👍🏻

What a bunch of idiots. People like this is the reason why tracks get closed. No respect for the track or safety. It makes my blood boil. Keep up the great work Matt. 👏👏👏

@jarlnieminen4307

Ай бұрын

Politicians are why parks get closed. And then they strip mine the joint.

This is why they are closing tracks around Australia if they did get injured or there was a death they could take action against the park. Then the track will be closed. Great one what a bunch of Idiots!

Decision makers for our 4wd privileges in public places sit it offices watching this stuff. We are in control of our destiny. I just get disappointed knowing exactly what our future will turn into…. Very, very controlled and regulated.

The sad point is that this video on another channel will be filled with comments like "sick" and "Good onya" . There are ridiculous numbers of channels that show these actions and garner huge support from the comments. It is absolutely why we cannot have nice things.

I see the problem, most of them are sporting mullets, what do you expect? On the positive side, they appear to be extremely gifted in the art of not spilling a drop.

First time I've seen this full video but I have seen clips of the roll over numerous times. All I can say is this video epitomises everything wrong with the 4wd community. The alcohol, the reckless driving even right down to the footware. I'm fine with people wanting to do hard tracks but the whole careless attitude not just for the vehicle but the environment. Everything we see in this video is what I hate seeing among the 4wd community. Sadly there seems to be a growing number like this and it will give National Parks, Forestry, whoever all the reason they want to close tracks, camps etc. Not to mention the rubbish left behind. God knows how many ton of rubbish we pulled out of the bush today for Clean Up Australia Day but there was heaps and it was just a small area we worked on.

Always insightful Matt. We've all made bad choices, but there were a lot of bad choices here. Absolute miracle no major injuries from this one. Hopefully it's given them food for thought. Very very lucky.

Well done on this one.. I do appreciate the uncomfortable topic of “Natural Selection” , but at the cost of what?!? More tracks being closed. Definitely an Interesting conversation starter nonetheless.

@timlong1462

2 ай бұрын

I wish more folks got selected. There's too many people out there ruining it for the rest of us.

I am with a US east coast club and have done trials in Appalachian Mtns from Maine to Georgia. Where I have seen this kind of thing happen is all to often when a guy sees someone ahead make it up the obstacle with what the considers a lesser rig and/or lessor driver. That makes them berserk if they can't make it over the obstacle as well. Sometimes the person ahead of you had good luck, or are simply a better driver. You can't make that have you get frustrated. Some days you are just not going to do it.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s a good perspective.

Hi, Matt. Your "diplomatic" comments are exemplary in every detail, a most admirable trait to possess, along with your ability to, exhibit your controlled contempt for these "cretins" in our society! No dogs allowed in National Parks either!

hey mate, completely agree with where you’re coming from. the way people use these cars is just stupid. i don’t understand the point in people destroying their cars “4x4ing”. if they don’t want their car, many people would love an old gq to setup for themselves before it gets messed up by these muppets. the way you described everything, (for example tramping), has led me to subscribe. you clearly know what you’re doing

Looked like a decent Patrol worth restoring, before they got to it.

@BSRTBeast

2 ай бұрын

In what world is that Patrol decent 😂😂😂. Its an absolute junker.

@DavidNotSolomon

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I was thinking the same. I have a 1986 Jackaroo, and it is still a ripper 4WD - actually the old ones are better than the new ones - as they are easier to repair in the bush and have less electronics etc (i.e less things to go wrong).

Thank you for the video. Yeah, everything about this video takes me back to when I was a young man. Beers and all. Lucky to be alive and lucky I did not hurt anyone. Feel like someone was looking out for me...and them too.

Your restraint is commendable. Love the tips you're giving and thanks for mentioning track destruction. This is the type of stuff that increases everyone's wheel size.

We have that breed in the states, they’re called XJs, and for decades they’ve been proving to the rest of us that you CAN do it the wrong way. Anyways, it’s best to just observe from a distance as they can spook easily and flip over on their backs; it’s both a defense mechanism and a display of dominance. We’re still studying their behavior.

Wow, oh wow. Matt, you explained it perfectly. The care factor went out the window, as well as the water melon 😂. I believe that culture is becoming more rampant due to a couple of channels on TV and KZread. They love reaction videos and hope to score free shirts for destroying a vehicle for no other reason. Consumption of alcohol shouldn't be started until you get to camp, not on the tracks. The recovery was pretty much a fluke, and I was waiting for something else to happen

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

4wd 24/7, All 4 Adventure, Built Not Bought. They are the big ones I sadly see inadvertently promoting this sort of attitude.

@DestinationOffroad

2 ай бұрын

@@OnCountryWithMick Yeah, I didn't want to name names, but it looks exactly like the way they drive. Not that I watch them, I used to when it was a magazine and DVD. But yes exactly what and who I was thinking about.

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

@@DestinationOffroad I can tell you mate that you are sure not alone in this. I spent today with a heap of other 4wders, Forestry, Nat Parks, 4wd clubs etc etc for Clean Up Australia Day today and it seemed to be the same thoughts especially with the first 2, their names came up a few times regarding the promotion of bad behaviour in the bush. I too used to enjoy the DVD's and still enjoy Grahams Solo/Off Grid stuff but I won't watch anything with the others. Actually my last couple of trips with others these names have come up with the same feelings. There are those of us that like to respect and look after the areas and those that just don't seem to care.

@DestinationOffroad

2 ай бұрын

@@OnCountryWithMick Not when you can send it in for them to have a laugh and give a $50 voucher to spend. I do crazy things sometimes, bu I know when to winch.

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

@@DestinationOffroad That exactly right. Not too long ago theye did a video with Bushie from Back2TheBush sitting there talking about how we need to respect it and look after it more and int he next segment, their fails, theya re laughing and awarding prizes to people doing everything they just told us we should NOT be doing. Maybe they should do an episode, create an event and get others out for things liek Clean Up Australia Day showing people int he community actually doing their part to look after it. My video will be out in 2 weeks after yesterdays event. I really do think these sorts of people should eb called out more on their behaviours. I know they are much bigger than I will probably ever be but I will stand on my morals and always do the right thing, Im not going to trash the place for views, comments or likes. Same as I wont sell out to brands for sponsorship if I don't believe in their products.

No wonder great tracks are getting gated ! Fantastic commentary Matt

Great video matt. You are spot on with everything you're saying.👍 Thanks for your knowledge and experience.

@MadMatt4WD

Ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Like you said, do it on private property. We do not need this in our parks. This is what's getting them closed down.

And that’s exactly why tracks are locked.

I’d love to watch a “no restraint” commentary version of this video 😉👍🏽

Good video 👍🏻👍🏻 also it is very clear that he have full air on the tires, just air down the tires you will have a lot more traction and softer hits on the drive terrain

Greetings from arnhemland! the points you've put out there is quite right, especially the seat belt part. I'll never forget when I was 17 and I was 4wding with a few mates. I was in my mates troopy riding passenger (leaf sprung front and rear) went up a steep hill and he gave a bit too much right foot, started to hop and it tipped to its left, (no seatbelt) and if it wasn't for my mate that grabbed me at the last minute as it tipped to the side I would've fell through and got crushed to death. Luckily it didn't roll down the hill as the trees stopped it from going any further. 25 years old now and looking back to it, made me realise why seatbelt is everything whether 4wding or not. Luckily it was a few of us, we pushed it back on all fours and kept going that day! Troopy is still kicking till now 👍

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Wow man you were so lucky.

Awesome info madmatt .. these people are closing tracks down doing this stuff

Great example of why we are getting locked out of places. 🤬🤬🤬. Great explanation Matt.

What not to do. I hope no-one watching will think they can do this because the recovery was successful with out more dramas. I think they were lucky nothing else went wrong with that risky recovery. Thanks Matt, it's a pleasure to watch your uploads.

It's called being a goober.

These are a good example of the mad buggers who get all the tracks closed. If you can't crawl up a hill it's pretty easy, just get the winch out and pull up it. I have never actually needed to use my winch in over 10 years of 4WDing but that is my philosophy for any situation. The driving we see here, especially on muddy tracks, just wrecks the tracks and makes them impassable. I have seen many tracks go from easy if you use your brain to rutted goat tracks in just a couple of months because drivers think that the only answer is more right foot. Good advertisement for old Patrols though, even these idiots can't break it until it goes on it's roof.

Love your assessment. Looks like the tyre pressures weren't let down. Didn't see any sidewall flex at all.

@servicetrucker5564

2 ай бұрын

Like the Winder towing guy says “mmm 40 psi”

The commentary after the roll over was epic true off road ppl

I see what the Problem is, somebody put the steering wheel on the Wrong side of the vehicle. We can fix That here in Utah!

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Well yeah it’s on the right side so not sure we have the problem. 😂😂 I wheeled sand hollow in a rhd xj that was owned by Casey Lofthouse.

@angeloangelojoseph1494

2 ай бұрын

@@MadMatt4WD I guess we Are on the Wrong side! Casey is a good, honest man, unlike some of the other KZread tampons around here. I love your vids Mate!

This kind of video gives the Greenies and eco warriors all the ammo they need.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Sadly, this has been all over has socials for weeks already.

I agree with you about the time and place if they want to wreck a car. Sitting there spinning tyres digging holes just causes the owners to close more tracks on us. These people will cry the most when tracks are closed. Now I do watch Boofs channel and enjoy it but and the extreme things they do but destroying tracks is what they should stop for the benefit of everyone and the hobbie they/we enjoy so much

Where i live there are very few short paper roads and they have all been ruined by guys digging huge holes and leaving rubbish behind,most have been blocked off now.

I am new to the 4x4 community so it is very valuable with these do and don´t videos. I think the thing that shocked me the most here is that even after the rollover, the guys did not even put down the cans when they went down to check whether the driver was still alive. Clearly show their priorities. I got the feeling they had not the slightest understanding of the seriousness of the situation.

@MadMatt4WD

14 күн бұрын

Yeah totally agree.

Absolute dropkicks

This is what King of the Hammers has created. I love KOH but it has translated to people on public trails. No technical driving just send it.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean.

@marvindebot3264

2 ай бұрын

KOH is way too big now, way too many people and way too much alcohol involved. The public night events are just insane.

Totally agree Matt, we watched this video on YT a few weeks back and came up with many of the same conclusions. The worst parts are lack or respect for safety, lack of respect for the vehicle, and totally lack of respect for the National Park. We are so lucky in Aus that we can access NPs in our 4x4s, but this sort of behaviour will get more tracks and parks closed, some of the authorities are just waiting for this sort of driving (and evidence) as an excuse to close off tracks and whole areas of our bush.

Yet another outcome reflects IQ video. Terrible track work, I hope they cleaned up their mess. Australia is a great country, if we all treat it with some respect it’ll stay great. Good synopsis Matt.

I am with you, Matt. Definitely NOT respectful of National Parks or there users/owners (us). Seem to have completely forgotten how easily 4x4s rollover on lumpy tracks, hence no spotter & no precautions!

Nice work again Matt (on your breakdown of it) it’s all been said now.. just a shame to waste parts for a GQ 😢 as you said they’re becoming hard to find parts for these days.. I hope people like that never get their hands on my GU wagon when I sell it of these days..

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Fingers crossed!

Keep up the fine work Matt, very disappointing to see this type of behaviour… as an aside , dogs aren’t generally permitted in National Parks… so I wonder if Parks will send these guys a little reminder of their adventures?

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

The Watagan Mountains is a large area made up of National Park & State Forest. Not to sure which part this was in but if it was in National Park lets hope they do.

I first notice the tyres look over inflated and need deflating for more traction. Just being a yobbo The short sort of driving should not be shown on places like KZread in the first place because all it will do was give evidence for people to stop anyone being allowed to drive there in the future .

I'm in the US, and this is an example of how/why so many of our forest roads are gated and locked. My biggest gripe is the fluids, there's no reason that having a great day "guardrail racing" has to result in that kind of damage.

Appreciate this discussion. It really is trashing our environment in the same way it’s trashing the car. (often left in the bush) It also causes tracks to become inaccessible for others including fire fighters.

Reckless driving like what was demonstrated in this video is probably the biggest reason why local authorities are banning off-roading in many regions.

Honestly for rock climbing the tyre pressure looks to high but as you say Matt not looking for the traction buy reducing the speed is biggy here

@OnCountryWithMick

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same about tyre pressures. Looks like they were still in thr 40psi club

i agree with your findings Sir, a vehicle someone is trashing for fun in the wrong location and lack of knowledge

Matt, what was the Tinnie:rollover ratio? Dog seemed more concerned about the situation then the "Mates". We see this behaviour in State and Federal parks in the US as well. More often then not, they'll abandon the vehicle for someone else to cleanup. Especially if it's stolen.

I am 59 and even though we never wore seat belts on road my rule in my vehicles was 'SEAT BELTS ON NOW OR GET OUT!" People always thought I was strange but common sense told me it's possible we might flip.I never did but have been in a few that did.

Excellent analysis by Matt. So many people have worked so hard since the 1970's lobbying government and land managers to keep tracks open to 4x4 drivers. Yet one group of idiots could undo the hard work keeping access open for that area in a few minutes. I am sure the video of their adventures is being shown to land managers by the anti-4x4 types as a good example of why 4x4s should be locked out of that area and other public lands. Also, remember in national parks dogs are banned as well ...

I’m gonna skip past the rollover with this comment. But that recovery was a disaster. That was ridiculous.

We have local tracks like this. I hope they stay open. All you need is a winch for if you get stuck.

We call that axle wrap in the US.

Yeah, but... those fellas ran down to help their bro in flip flops, without spilling their beers... That's class.. "Oh no my mate might be dead, so I'd better save my drink"..

I’ve seen the original - very interesting to hear how you word this particular one. ☺️ hmmm..

Not sure if it’s the same is Australia. But 1 issue here in the UK, assisted from the general disregard for any kind of Road regulations is that literally anyone can go and buy a 4wd (old discovery’s being popular) jack them up but aggressive boots on and go drive. The 4wd’s 9 times from 10 aren’t road worthy and the drivers are just out to get muddy with to regard for the country side, other users of the country side and in many cases the farm land that they ruin.

I would like to hear your comments about the winch mounted behind the driver's seat, @16:35. Thanks professor!

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

I can't comment I didn't know what to think of that dumb idea. We see that stuff in comp trucks but done properly. I'll guarantee that's not mounted properly and probably has the rope running next the the drivers legs.

Thank God that there were no kids in the car.

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

Yes!

He reminds me of people I know, 'Don't confuse me I have made up my mind, power always wins. He would be best going over that obstacle in a Boeing. Like firearm's, any fool can use one, only a trained person can use one safely

11:23 man, so glad the beer wasn't spilt as they ran down there. 🤦‍♂️

@MadMatt4WD

10 күн бұрын

I know right

Zero mechanical sympathy shown sadly. Regardless if you are wrecking it or not. I know we all want a good time and a good laugh but that driver has a duty of care for the passenger.

Looks like a rental in Moab... 🤣 Lake Havasu 🌞 Az

The “leave no trace” mantra should be applied to trails as well as camp sites. If your car and driver are not capable of getting up a track without excessive wheel spin then turn around and go somewhere else. These guys couldn’t have caused more damage unless they brought a digger! I can only imagine how they leave their camp sites.

@markelliott6105

2 ай бұрын

@@FallingFlying. I was talking about the track damage, not the litter so I was drawing a parallel with “leave” no trace as it is normally used. I get your point with bulldozers though. Also tarmac buster bombs, they really leave holes. But the track hasn’t been bombed and I doubt a bulldozer has been through since the track was laid, so soft car tyres and the following erosion is pretty much the problem here.

@FallingFlying.

2 ай бұрын

@@markelliott6105 Thanks for the new topic to educate myself on, KZread shows no results for tarmac buster bombs so I'll laughs err no, I'll ask you, What the fig is tarmac buster bombs? Not a Volvo I take it..

Me personally i dont like breaking and fighting for every foot i get closer to somewhere a trailer can get. A crazy day offroad makes rough day at work a great day. I have had to walk 15miles and leave my rig until i got parts.

Yup, national park that will be close for four-wheel drives

I am just wondering if they have cleaned up the mess they had made. Well commented Matt.

Its called PHUK around & Find 0ut! Driver should also have arm out of window, holding onto roof rack, to help protect the paint job, incase of roll over.

Thats how most in the States do it. Only our overlanders here don't destroy their rigs. Its a shame too because like you said its causing our track selection to dry up. We lost some trails in Utah

This fits more under the heading "power sports". In this case it is also extreme immaturity. We should never let these people wear our badge. I don't wear an on-road seat belt because the ratcheting shoulder strap can lock you down and hinder driving. I use instead a 3" racing lap belt. I love thongs / flip flops for around camp, but there are ridiculous for any active sport. The instant I see anyone wearing them in this way, I know exactly what mindset I'm dealing with. Really, this sort of thing is just another symptom of a much larger societal problem that we have. It's not that it's new, but the scale and extent is something we have never seen before.

That patrol driveline is pretty good!

This is what I am seeing more and more as they see it on KZread and I am seeing more influences driving like this

This is a good part of the reason national parks are closed off. If that driver hurt himself it would take a major effort by emergency service s to get him out. Also, who's going to clean up the mess his car leaves behind?? I've had a 4x4 my whole life form a sr3 Land rover to my current troopy. I enjoy a trail from time to time but I just can't understand this kind of vehicle abuse.

Smashed it up so much it looked like an XJ.

I could not agree more with your assessment on alcoholic beverages. Vehicles & guns should not be accompanied by alcohol. It also seems to me that many folks seem to just lay the long peddle on the floor and go but as you mentioned, it seldom works and when you bounce up off the ground and slam down again that is often how CV’s or axle shafts are broken.

As far as all you said about the safety issues or rather the Un safe issues, I totally agree with you Matt. It makes me angry on more than a few fronts. Saying that id people want to trash there vehicle in this way, then they can do it on private land, I understand you not wanting to tell people what they should not do & that is commendable sensitivity. But if people choose to do this on private property & someone get hurt as a result then it still will have an impact beyond them. Emergency & Ambulance services cost money & are by no means unlimited resources. This rollover did not have to happen, that vehicle did not have to get trashed. It does seem to me they intended to destroy this vehicle. If theses services are taken up for a call out to a roll over (like this one!) that did not need to happen because of its destructive intent, for argument sake, what if there was another accident (that was genuinely an accident) where there was no such destructive intent, that occurred @ the same time as this, whether on public land or private & the people in that accident died or suffered horribly because they could not get the help needed as the service were tending to this kind of thing. That would piss me off knowing that!!! So too, that GQ did not look like it was in un-restorable condition. I hate seeing stuff get destroyed for no good reason. There are people that would struggle affording to own even a vehicle like this (that would indeed jump @ the chance to own a gq patrol), let alone the cost of kitting it out to wheel & tour or just restore it. This angers me too

@MadMatt4WD

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I learned today from a police investigator that he's locked up a fair few people who have killed friends on private property doing this sort of stuff.

@leonkane8240

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I did not have cause to wonder that it might be a common thing. So I am wondering if that would come under some kind of incited aggravated manslaughter or something. I think it is a super important thing that you make it a topic of sober & sensitive discussion Matt!@@MadMatt4WD