Many of you will have seen the news about Lunaz today and we were so sad to hear that the Applied Technologies side of the business is being restructured owing to the challenging market created by ambiguity for Local Authorities surrounding 2030 ICE bans. However, we chose to release the episode any way as, my word they've got an incredible mission, fantastic engineers and amazing vehicles - we wanted to share that with you too. We just hope that their efforts to rescope production timelines means they can continue making the road to net zero that much more straightforward and affordable with their upcycled bin lorries.

@fullychargedshow

Ай бұрын

there is also a little more insight at around the 10 min 33 mark

@ericvet8b

Ай бұрын

What a shame.

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

On the upside, you got a ride in a bin lorry and at tipping the bins into it.

@reginald7214

Ай бұрын

How about just have your Tesla fanboy correspondent in the USA review byd s fleet of ev garbage trucks. They are already a comparable price, if not far cheaper. Not sure two bit would do a fair review but who knows......

@messiermitchell4901

Ай бұрын

It's a respectable effort, it's just the shame the world is in a state of utter chaos unseen for many years

So frustrating that lack of policy clarity and government support make initiatives like this so difficult financially. It's clearly a hugely positive process environmentally and for jobs and health.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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@alexandersaksvoll5373

Ай бұрын

Yep. I would love to have an electric rubbish truck operate my local route. Less emission in the neighbourhood!

@mb-3faze

Ай бұрын

It *is* Rishi's policy! Oil money lubricating the party's coffers, new gas power stations approved, wind turbine farms delayed, tacit support for communities complaining about the essential upgrades to the electrical power grid, solar farms being denied permission etc. Rishi's policy is "anything except the right thing".

@SMGJohn

Ай бұрын

Since when was the British government useful??

The government should be supporting this business rather than subsidising oil companies

@ambassadorfromreality1125

Ай бұрын

This comment needs a stronger response than just like

@darrenaitcheson795

Ай бұрын

The fact that the oil companies subsidise the party of government may also have something to do with it.

@Hybridog

Ай бұрын

@@darrenaitcheson795True. True in every country in fact. The solution is to ban corporate involvement in the political system. No campaign contributions, no lobbying, no influence peddling, etc., etc. Voting and interacting with elected officials is for actual humans, not unliving corporate entities.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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@gillscorner794

Ай бұрын

@@petersimms4982 yes China have got it right, I'm assuming you only talk in flags?

This was interesting - clearly there is a need for these vehicles to be quieter and less polluting as they drive around residential areas at 6am... it would have been good to understand how the economics work, ie how much does a new ICE bin lorry cost, how much is a new electric one, and how much are these guys charging to convert an ICE bin lorry to EV... what are the pressures on operators to switch to EV (running costs, emissions targets etc)?

@Galerak1

Ай бұрын

I think you're underestimating how much the sound of refuse being tipped into the back of these vehicles and ground up with big rotating motors drowns out the sounds of a diesel engine at 6am in a morning. As for polluting, most diesel commercial vehicles have to abide by strict Euro 6 standards since September 2015 so pollution is minimal anyway (I think it's about 0.5g/km), probably much less than the coal/oil powered electric generators that supply the grids with increasing amounts of electricity to charge these EVs. And that's not even going into the pollution caused during the mining and manufacture of the batteries. But aside from all that, let's get back to the video. I have a couple of other questions that could be asked alongside your own. What is the point of a 0-50mph acceleration in a vehicle that weighs up to 10 tonnes (as stated in the video) and travels around residential streets at a crawl most of the time stopping at each house on the way. For a vehicle that can carry that amount of weight and produce that amount of torque how big is the battery pack and how much of the vehicles maximum allowable gross weight is taken up by these batteries instead of the cargo they are supposed to be carrying. How much does using these battery packs to drive the large motors that grind and compress the refuse affect the vehicle's range. Can they still operate for a full day before having to return to base for charging for hours at a time? Because if they can't complete a full days work then either councils will have to purchase more of these more expensive vehicles or start letting rubbish pile up on the streets. To be honest, EV refuge collection vehicles is almost as dumb as EV emergency vehicles, not quite as bad, but close. Less life threatening at any rate.

@richardgledhill

Ай бұрын

@@Galerak1 Well, we have electric refuse vehicles operating within Oxford and they are indescribably quieter than diesel/hydraulic equivalents. They're not upcycled ones but are ones on sale from an established manufacturer. They contribute greatly to the relative peace and quiet of Oxford town centre, which is increasingly served by electric buses too. All DPD and Royal Mail vehicles are electric too, and there's a clean air zone around the centre. Believe me, electric refuse trucks are an amazing sight to behold and not hear. Don't knock it until you've experienced it.

@guringai

Ай бұрын

Oh FFS, all the evidence is already in, showing evs are far more eco friendly than ice vehicles. Wake up dude.

@richardgledhill

Ай бұрын

And as for the rest of your anti-EV stuff... I'll politely point you to other videos on this channel that pretty much disprove all of your arguments. Time to go and find out some facts before you write lengthy articles of nonsense.

@ambassadorfromreality1125

Ай бұрын

​@@Galerak1minimal pollution is still infinitely higher than zero pollution and if you stand next to a large diesel engine you get polluted. Follow one around all day as the crew do and you will get seriously polluted. We have been over this many times before. Electric motors are much more efficient than ice motors so if you put all the diesel that you would put in the tank into a generator and charge a battery it would go further. So clean air, lower cost what is not to like. The truck can do 0-50 in 6 secs but that is not in the design spec, it comes as a bonus from an electric drive. Electric drives are perfect for crawling around stopping and stating. The motor delivers max torque at zero revs which is what you want when starting. With a diesel you have to rev the engine and release the clutch. Fuel intensive. Ever wondered why everybody wants electric trains and the trains with diesels are diesel-electric? .It's control and torque starting.

Fully Charged should send Imogen on a HGV driving course.

If there is ever any doubt where EV truck is needed, it’s this one. Heavy duty vehicles going around residential streets with constant stops and starting.

@aussie2uGA

Ай бұрын

Prostar made electric buses, same concept, stop and start in the city. They just went bankrupt.

Either with conversion or new, these electric garbage trucks definitely needed!! (a) constant stop/start and full stop operation makes diesel even more inefficient and dirty toxic emissions. Moreover, they're spewing that stuff right in our faces where we live. (b) total distance traveled (range) is small and top speed is very low (c) Noise reduction. I've been woken by the local garbage trucks more times than I care to know.

@bewilderbeestie

Ай бұрын

I'd think it'd be a nicer experience for the operators, too. Less noise, less inhaled exhaust, generally smoother operation all around --- I'd think it'd be generally less stressful to work with. I'd like to hear from someone who actually uses one (either ICE or electric).

@beyondfossil

Ай бұрын

@@bewilderbeestie Good point. I know another group of workers in worse shape. Its port workers at the shipping docks. There are interviews of them saying they cannot wait for the port to electrify their trucks. The toxic diesel emissions at ports are brutally bad. This information easily found online.

@PiefacePete46

Ай бұрын

@@bewilderbeestie : Yes... especially the thoughts of someone who has experience of both.

@PiefacePete46

Ай бұрын

@@beyondfossil : The big forklifts, log-handlers, various lifting equipment, etc. that are found in large numbers around ports would also be logical targets for this treatment.

@garysmith5025

Ай бұрын

@@hi-tech-guy-1823 Absolute bollocks. For a start LPG is propane and doesn't come from landfill, and secondly you statement is totally untrue. Virtually all UK bin lorries still run on diesel.

LOL, government encourages and government takes away due to fickle politicians.

@d.e.7467

Ай бұрын

They're bought, politicians.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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Another excellent episode from Imogen. I loved the walk to camera while she listed the 11 stages in upgrading the bin wagon - very smooth as well as informative. 👏👏

8:00 this seems so quiet in general - the garbage truck is like an alarm clock around here, the things are so loud. This alone would be such an improvement.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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@joewentworth7856

Ай бұрын

The real noise round us is the glass collection. Please solve that noise too!

@Markcain268

Ай бұрын

@@joewentworth7856 that always wakes me up, that and the bins being thrown around.

Very impressive i bet it reduces driving fatigue, I was bin man for three years it loses its novelty putting bins on at the back after the first bin 😊. All seriousness it's all good wish the dust cart i was on was electric.

@logicalChimp

Ай бұрын

As someone who worked on the bins briefly several decades ago (yay temping for summer holiday jobs :p), I can say that working with modern bins appears to be near-infinitely better than manually hauling individual black sacks (especially on a hot summer morning after overnight rain...) as used to happen. Quieter and more efficient trucks would also be very welcome.

@rexeverything100

Ай бұрын

@logicalChimp Never did black bags just wheelie bins, but all the old timers banged on about it "you'd never manage on black bags" 😁 getting covered in bin juice 😖

Brilliant video! Great to see that some of our old trucks are being converted and put back on the road instead of being scrapped or stripped for parts. Would love to see them in action after being converted. Hopefully get to see some about at some point.

Great to see older trucks being upgraded to EV technology, however there are quite a few issues that are ignored by this. The biggest one is that many smaller haulage firms rely on the supply of used ICE trucks as buying/leasing new (or even converting to EV) is not economically viable (I know as I am the MD of a small haulage firm). The economics don't really work, which I guess is why Lunaz are working with local authorities rather than commercial operators. Whilst the technology has to mature, there is a real danger that smaller haulage operators are squeezed out due to either a lack of supply of used vehicles, increased cost of new vehicles and the race to legislate towards zero carbon without looking at the impact on the industry. This will mean increased transport costs and a lack of choice for the consumer.

@Low760

Ай бұрын

These aren't old trucks. Average fleet age is 10+ years.

Finally! Quieter bin lorries! Please get these to the Australian market ASAP!

@johnnyonline

Ай бұрын

I'm all for quieter, more efficient EV trucks but it's interesting that despite all the modernization they still requite someone to manually connect the bin to the back. All the garbage trucks I've seen here in Oz are single operator with a robot arm lifting the bins and placing them back down.

@junior.senior

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyonline This may be a UK thing. In Australia (where I'm based) they have articulated arms that grab the bin from the curbside. There may be requirements that dictate operators to continue to exit vehicles and connect the bin, in the UK. One reason could be the risk of environmental contamination that comes from the automation of this task - I've seen waste fly out of the bins when they are lifted into the lorry. I've also noticed that the articuled arms make a whole lot of noise too. I'm sure the UK has their reasons.

@evil17

Ай бұрын

@@junior.seniorI think it is to do with having very narrow streets to manoeuvre through, &/or because many of their streets are already lined with cars, which wouldn’t work well with an Aussie type side bin grabbing arms configuration.

@Low760

Ай бұрын

The waste companies are trying but they need them driving 12 hours and they need charging after 6 and then going to the tip. The hydraulics use lots of power...

@junior.senior

Ай бұрын

@@Low760 Are you engaged with a waste or recycling service? It would be interesting to hear about the kinds of issues they are experieriencing with the new technology. I've found a company in Sydney which has an interesting work around, where they battery swap. To me, this is comparative to refueling with dinosaur juice.

Very well put insert due to recent news. Very inspiring concept.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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Love Imogen's wonderfully clear and precise presentation. Her diction and ability to deliver a long list of facts and hold ones interest are great. One pet peeve however, please stop adding ones to those (plural of that) and these (plural of this). Ones is completely redundant 🙂

Another eloquent presentation thank you! As a point of interest, what is the range and charging time of each vehicle assuming it carries maximum batteries?

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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@1991Canyon

Ай бұрын

In the video, she mentioned around a 150-mile range, which I assume is quite impressive considering most of these lorries primarily operate within city limits or repetitive routes, which you can predict the millage in advance. As for charging, she discussed configurations of 4 x 65.5 kWh or 6 x 65.5 kWh batteries. Taking the 6 x 65.5 kWh = 393 kWh configuration as an example, on a rapid charger with a 150 kW capacity, it would take around 2 hours and 40 minutes to 3 hours and 30 minutes. According to the Carwow website, a 150 kWh charger can charge a 100 kWh battery car in 40 minutes. However, charging times can vary depending on factors like battery management systems, among others, which is why I allowed for a bit more than 2 hours and 40 minutes.

A wonderful company - best of luck in the future. The world needs more of this kind of thinking. Hopefully this will be a part of a vast manoeuvre, out-flanking and pushing back against the resisters to climate change mitigation.

@xtrubblex86

Ай бұрын

It's already gone into administration today. I understand there is money in new industries but its a tough one to get going.

This is all well and good, but how fast is it in the quarter-mile?

Love how quiet it is while working! The bin men and women will be here and gone without noticing.

@bibliotek42

Ай бұрын

We have had electric bin lorries for a couple of years, and you're right. Often you don't hear them. I especially enjoy it and the clean air when I cycle past one.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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Depressing that this INCREDIBLE thing is happening so well and then they shift timelines and goals. This needs to be moved earlier, not later. So happy to hear people out there doing this though. this is great to hear.

How does it save the embedded carbon, is that because the truck would be scrapped otherwise? Great concept and product.

Good to see what Fully Charged can produce when Robert is kept away from the camera - no fan boy interviews, silly sound effects or pointless rants. I can actually share this video without cringing.

The refuse trucks around here (Connecticut, USA) load from the side. Everything is done remotely from a single person in the driver's seat. All that is required is a similar bin to that UK version.

@Macrike

Ай бұрын

That would be impossible in the UK. Very few people have the ability to park their vehicle(s) on their property, meaning most people park on the road. There would be no way for a truck to access the bin on the sidewalk.

@geraldbutler5484

Ай бұрын

Same in Australia. One man efficient job- expect electric trucks soon.

@RickRobinsonDonnellan

Ай бұрын

Came here to say the same here in Australia.

@francesconicoletti2547

Ай бұрын

As the host says, super teeny tiny roads. The notion that in Britain it would be possible everywhere to put bins perpendicular to a curb so a side loading arm can just pick them up is ludicrous. A one way street for instance with houses on both sides of the street would require either half the bins dragged across the street or the garbage truck to drive the wrong way up the street. And that is if the street has two lanes available for driving after all the parked cars.

@francesconicoletti2547

Ай бұрын

@@geraldbutler5484 there are bits of inner cities in Australia that i doubt a side arm garbage truck can be used. Yes most of Australia and America was built to accommodate cars but bits of Australia and lots of Britain wasn’t. Getting a trck lined up down those narrow old roads that are already overcrowded with cars seems either difficult or impossible.

Beautiful presentation 😊

having the limiter on there to help the driving is awesome. this is where I feel all electric should be focused on. Cause then they won't have to worry about the where do I charge - but more of how many can we charge over night when costs are less etc. Big holding facilities should also have some solar/storage to also help offset the Carbon emissions from grid. looking fwd to seeing more vehicles like this in the US especially in big cities.

My brother has worked in this industry down south for many years and they have trialling some Electrified wast trucks and found the after service and support services very poor, as they very little if any advice about how to charge the trucks up. Even here we heard nothing about after service care, or training or infrastructure assistance. If a company like this, which I fully supports, wants to bring this kind of solution to the market, it has to be model on the Tesla plan. These trucks need the right charger in the right place with the right training for the staff that use them, and the management that manage them. Otherwise its a very BIG expensive misake. Hope they get there restructuring right, and we get a Government that is will to support this kind of transitions. Otherwise China will win out across the board.

Hopefully they can bring in work from some of the other sectors that were mentioned but clearly a lot goes into making this the right solution. I wish them luck and good fortune.

Do they definitely scrap the engines or do they sell them into the second hand parts market?

@qwertyplm13does51

Ай бұрын

Boats and ...

Brilliant stuff - such a shame they're having trouble due to idiot politicians. Every utility vehicle out there needs an upgrade like this ASAP.

@shonunezekiel

Ай бұрын

Can you explain your statement a bit more? What did the politicians do or not do that caused trouble? It was unclear to me from the video what the problem was here.

@benehill6127

Ай бұрын

This has got nothing to do with politicians. There is no legislation nor has there ever been any proposed legislation concerning the banning of commercial vehicles of this size. Nothing has changed. This company’s proposition to electrify refuse vehicles of this size is and always has been completely non viable.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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@JHsadler

Ай бұрын

Don’t believe the narrative. They were unable to meet customer deadlines due to poor management. I mean, look how empty the building is. It’s been like that from the start

Seems crazy to put works intge line of fire moving bins to the back of lorry. Our units pickup bins from the street side without requiring people to leave the cab.

@robinbennett5994

Ай бұрын

Most British streets are lined with parked cars. However I noticed that the buttons were placed so you have to step around a barrier and out the way of the bin.

Couple pros and cons I live in the valleys the batteries wouldn’t do 150 miles maybe probably a third less if not less than that, not sure if the battery packs could be swapped out so you drive back to your yard and swap out the batteries with full charged ones Also love the idea of heated seats but not cloth seat, but they will get wet and take a while to dry out take it from experience 🤭🤭

@daveaneil

Ай бұрын

I think there is a conversion company in Australia that already has a battery swap system meaning the batteries are charged at the depot and then loaded by forklift into the truck (where the fuel tanks used to be). It means that a truck can come in and have fully charged batteries within a few minutes.

How can they go bust??? They said their order books were FULL!!! What happened to all their customers and contracts??? Something really stinks!!

@garysmith5025

Ай бұрын

The government changed the deadline for changing over to electric trucks so contracts got cancelled/delayed

@georgemarks

Ай бұрын

@@garysmith5025 ...that was only for cars and small vans. Nothing affecting large HGVs was ever on the table.

Where’s Jack he’s not been in a video for a month?

Amazing video!! Can you make more motorbike videos? Summer is coming

What happens to all the bits they remove and what is the cost equivalent to a BYD refuse truck.

How unfortunate this restructuring is. I hope they'll make it and keep these trucks rolling. The silence as it works is the best thing I've heard in years!

For me this interview is a classic half job. I would have thought that there should be a good economic case for these trucks in London for example as the Major as I understand it wants to charge all diesel vehicles to use the streets. (Correct me if I am wrong). Many cities now have clean air zones in the very centre where one would have thought these lorries would make the most sense initially. Sadly I do not recall seeing any economic case - facts and figures being put forward. Cost benefit analysis. I am going to score this 5/10 I think a good journalist would have extracted these figures.

2:37 Omg! Are those trucks huge or are you tiny?? This is excellent! Let’s do the same to public busses.

@evil17

Ай бұрын

Electric bus company over there recently went bankrupt, and 1st electric concrete truck in Melbourne recently blew up on the freeway of its maiden voyage, should’ve been called the Titanic.

Great show, I wish all school buses were electric, could you tell me the brand of coat you are wearing, it looks so warm, I live in Canada.

I’ll bet you loved that seating position @imogenbhogal!

Awesome podcast gang I from the USA the Highlander.😊❤

Time for Robert to get you on an HGV course, methinks! It’d be dead cool if you did all the HGV test drives on the channel.

Right the bin person now can watch Utube in the cab, you’ll never get them out it. But great move by any council getting these. It’s like a little girl getting to do one of her bucket list. In saying that I’ve always wanted to empty a bin too into the lorry and try driving it.

It would be beneficial to show comparative business cases between the diesel & EV versions. I hope they reemerge.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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From a purely professional point of view, that piece to camera as you walked along the production line at ~ 9:37 was extremely impressive! As good as anything I've ever seen on KZread

Excellent 👍🏻 Very best of luck 🍀

Just curious about one thing: Why do they need four passengers? Heck, in my city, they only have one person - the driver - who controls a hydraulically activated claw that grabs the can and dumps it into the vehicle. Each stop literally takes about 10 seconds. I believe a good portion of them are even powered by natural gas.

@andymccabe6712

Ай бұрын

Ha..... Try making that work in the UK.... along a narrow country lane where every bin is in a different position and there's literally only just room for the lorry on the lane.... In fact, it would work ANYWHERE I can imagine.....!!!

@Pesmog

Ай бұрын

The crew that empty my bins in the UK is a 4 person team. They must be on a hell of a bonus scheme as they run between the bins even at 3pm in the afternoon !! It wouldn't be possible to have one person operation in my street due to cars parked on the road and very random property boundaries.

Nice but side arms are way quicker but then UK's road and bin infrastructure isn't suitable.

This is the place where governments should implement EVs first fleets, city delivery, city people transport,....😊❤ Great video

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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I really haven't been able to understand this. I'm a HGV driver and trucks are ment to drive day and night that is the idea. One driver gets out and another gets in. How do u charge the truck??

@MrJimheeren

Ай бұрын

Rubbish trucks are not used overnight. So that’s when you charge them

@russellstanford4584

Ай бұрын

Of course they are? Also they were talking about replacing Deisel engine's at 80 000 miles that makes no economic or environmental sense on any level.

This is fantastic ❤

Seems like a bit of a con with the cost of retrofitting almost being the same as buying a purpose built BEV refuse vehicle, I can see why they have gone into administration. I understand the principle of removing ICE engines permanently from the supply chain, but this neglects the fact that a lot of developing nations buy second hand stock as it is more affordable, replacing older less efficient combustion engines with second hand euro compliant trucks, emitting less pollution.

@mememaster147

Ай бұрын

As long as it's cheaper than a new one it'll still sell. It might seem like pennypinching for one vehicle but if you've got a fleet of 20 it adds up.

@reginald7214

Ай бұрын

Indeed I think the brand new byd garbage trucks may in fact be cheaper, quote on the lunaz cost: The conversion process currently takes 20 days per truck, with Lunaz aiming to get that down to 11 days when they hit full production speed in 2026. At nearly half a million dollars each,....byd cost seems to be 300k US but hard to find firm figures.

@thomasreilly6362

Ай бұрын

​@@mememaster147 depending on the running costs. Diesel and engine parts don't come cheap. If a truck is off the road it's costing money

@Churchy2404

Ай бұрын

The cost of a Lunaz UEV is a fraction of that of a new equivalent, whilst also featuring various additional safety/comfort features. The ICE engines are also decommissioned on site in order to prevent the problem of pollution being continually spread within third world countries. The Mercedes Econic is tested for a million miles, however the average life span only takes these trucks to around 100,000 miles. That is an obscure figure to comprehend; that’s only a 1/10 of their full capability. How can this brilliant idea be a con when the whole purpose is to allow these trucks to reach their full life expectancy by up-cycling original components (saving the equivalent weight of the Eiffel Tower each year) whilst replacing the polluting diesel engine with an in house electric powertrain?

@reginald7214

Ай бұрын

@@Churchy2404 the byd ones appear to beCheaper bRand new out of the box

I heard they gone into administration. Goodbye Lunaz. So no new crappy EV bin lorries like the ones in Nottm.

The way our bin men drive this is going to be a silent assassin. Good for the environment though.

Now all those dumpster-truck-car-chase scenes from the movies will actually make sense 😂

*Imogen, with your big excited smile, you reminded my wife & me of one of the actors in Big Train (Amelia Bullmore & others) where they were professional showjumpers but, like children, had huge smiles when allowed by a fireman to use a fire hose.*

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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That looks well designed, you put a different back on it, you could even put a camper back on it.

@eclecticcyclist

Ай бұрын

Why would you need such a heavy duty chassis for a camper? (unless it's the huge type like the American ones or the ones F! cews use)

@dave4803

Ай бұрын

@@eclecticcyclist It works out cheaper to repurpose a current heavy duty chassis than to make a new one that's lighter. It's about keeping cost down. Look at the Xbus for example, they are all the same under the skin but each one is different, but keeping the chassis the same cuts cost down and means no retooling needed. But yes this would be more suitable for a bigger motor home.

@eclecticcyclist

Ай бұрын

@@dave4803 Even cheaper tand more efficient o re use a lighter chassis matched to the use.

@dave4803

Ай бұрын

@@eclecticcyclist To use a different chassis will add cost as things won't fit and they'll need different tooling as well. So this lighter chassis costs more and will rust out quicker than the normal one. Plus with the current set up you overland it. Also losing the bin lorry back for a camper will make it lighter.

@eclecticcyclist

Ай бұрын

@@dave4803 As the company has gone into liquidation there wouldn't be any 'cheap ' production line parts anyway so you'd be looking at one off coersion so you might as well make it as cheapas possible i.e. using a lighter cassis.

Bin men will not need to work in a noisy , diesel fumed work place . The cameras will locate the bin men , a good safety feature.

Where are the bloppers ? I want to see the missing part at 8:07 😛

Why don't they load from the side, automagically like in Aus? It takes a fraction of the time, effort and risk.

@logicalChimp

Ай бұрын

many UK roads are barely wide enough (with parked vehicles along the curbe etc) for the bin-lorry to get down... no room to load from the side (part and parcel of having truly ancient cities and road network, etc)... also one-way systems with houses on the 'wrong' side

Seemed a lot of time money and investment into what is a niche vehicle which by usage doesn't need updating once in service for many years. We have 18T DAF electric trucks on test where I work and initial 6 months testing shows there is still a long way to go in development.

@hrford

Ай бұрын

Can you elaborate? What needs improving on those on test?

@williamfence566

Ай бұрын

Charge times can be erratic even with the same level of battery left ( own chargers on site ) Range can suddenly suffer for no reason leading to being recovered a couple of times which involves specialist recovery. Used for local deliveries to hospitals where noise levels matter but trust has been lost in longer distances. Turnaround times don't suit logistics for JIT. @@hrford

@fenegroni

Ай бұрын

@@hrfordexactly. What development is needed? If by that it’s meant ‘charging infrastructure’ then yes - because governments are stupid. DNO regulations are antiquate. And quite frankly the government lack of incentives and favouring petrol and diesel is obvious. But what about the vehicles?

@jimdotcom1972

Ай бұрын

like what?

Excellent 👍

I hope they get a funder , + I listen for our bin Lorries as they come up the road, do these ev ones have a artificial bin sound 🤣🤪🤪?

@thekaxmax

Ай бұрын

There's a business opportunity for you to dive into

@garysmith5025

Ай бұрын

They don't need a funder, just a government that doesn't change the market conditions whilst they're getting established.

Wait is it typical to have to handle the trash bins in the UK?!? In the US there is just an arm that grabs the thing and directly empties it into the back.

@KevinT3141

Ай бұрын

In my bit of Canada, bins are still randomly shaped and tipped into the back by hand. :(

@johnw65uk

Ай бұрын

Smaller roads and pavements. If we put out bins by the road nobody would be able to walk on the pavement. Actually people don’t walk in the US do they so maybe that’s why.

The garbage must flow! But seriously, waste management is and should be a real part of the reduce, reuse, recycle system. So much trash is genuinely useful if managed properly.

Why not bring then in prebuilt from the builders?

Watching this on break sat in a bin lorry 😂. That's embarrassing bin lifts on double and not on automatic lift?

You need to get an HGV licence Imogen

@t1n4444

Ай бұрын

No. Imogen needs to set up her own platform and do her bubbly cutie pie chatterbox thing with hydrogen powered vehicles. I have every confidence Imo' will look back on these times with horror ... promoting battery EVs just as they're going out of fashion in time for hydrogen powered vehicles. It's the presenting thing she should push ... not battery EVs.

@gillscorner794

Ай бұрын

@@t1n4444 A conspiracy theorist and a mysoginist. Well done on being able to type

@t1n4444

Ай бұрын

@@gillscorner794 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh dear, oh deary, deary me. Why not reread my rather excellent post full of encouragement to Imo' ref a successful transitioning to her own platform. Obviously I and so many others will make allowances for the "cutie pie pose" and doubtless Imo' will shortly morph into the rather more serious persona of an Emily Maitlis, so beloved of Prince Andrew and currently celebrating being the new best friend of Marjorie Taylor Greene after discussing Jewish space lasers. Kindly don't ask, just Google. I'm going to presume English is not your first language, then. It shows.

the pun at the end

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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They just made my mummy redundant 😢

3:10 "We don't want to give people a vehicle that's 26 tonnes that would do 0-50 in 6 seconds" No?

Really really cool. Can't wait for every garbage truck to be fully electric. Just makes so much sense!

Where’s the step on the back for the bin guy to ride on

Dennis Eagle tested an electric bin lorry a year or two ago. Apparently the crew were finishing their round significantly quicker (like 20 or 30 minutes) due to the improved acceleration over a diesel truck!

3:16 0 - 60 just look at it go! 🚛💨💨😂

Awesome

Lunaz have retained the IP of this conversation so can start up again if they get a big enough partner 👍 The conversation of classic vehicles are not affected by this.

@gramateur5776

Ай бұрын

Conversion

If there's one thing I've learnt over the years of being involved with community climate change projects it's don't rely on funding from governments. Local or national. They'll be really keen and supportive of what you're doing right up until they aren't, at which point they drop you like a ton of bricks.

But what has happened to the teenie-weenie-tinie overhangs of the Audi Q6?

What does that mean? Did they stop refurbishing the lorries??????

Around here the driver stays in the truck and the truck picks up the trash cans and empties them.

Bloody Hell you've been busy this past couple of weeks

Electric drive trains are perfect for vehicles with a high torque demand like trains, trucks, and busses. The only challenge are the batteries and range, but it's already enough to come around. They make public transport and recycling even cleaner.

A bin lorry has no need to go 0-60 in 6 seconds. No road vehicle really does. This is not a selling point and one wonders what else might have been improved if such unnecessary capabilities hadn't been in the spec.

I just realized the British trucks don't use a single driver and have a robotic arm that does the lifting of the bin from the curb? That seems a step backward for a new truck but maybe their unions demand more "workers"?

@fullychargedshow

Ай бұрын

You make a good point and having spent a lot of time in Australia, I cannot count the number of times the incredibly noisy single driver trucks woke me up from my jet lagged slumber. However, here's a thought, I have only seen the robotic arm trucks operating in Australian suburbs. Nice wide streets, people know they're coming, they put the bins out the right way around, no cars parked on the street. I was recently staying in Fitzroy in Melbourne and they had trucks pretty much exactly like the Lunaz ones because they had bins on the side of the street with cars and vans in the way, and people, and bikes and a lot of tattoos. So two blokes wheeling bins into place following the truck. That's my theory, oh, and the sooner some company converts Australian garbage trucks to electric drive, the better. :-)

i would love if they use some of these where i live.. i hate them being loud & energized by an absolutely inefficient diesel engine. What a waste (no pun intended, or maybe)

We have hydrogen powered buses in California where I live. Awesome not to have to suck in diesel fumes. Our garbage trucks run on natural gas. I am all for electrification of rubbish trucks, etc. Makes total sense. It will lower air pollution. Great!

Is the first selling point in the video literally just "We make sure that the original ICE engine of the truck gets scrapped, so that it can't be used elsewhere"?? Whatever happened to Reduce Reuse Recycle? Am I losing my mind here? I thought the widely agreed on scientific consensus was that making use of the materials/products/cars we've already produced was far better for the environment than producing new ones, even if they are more efficient. Making "we make sure a previously working engine never gets used again" one of your main selling points seems downright idiotic. Am I missing something here?

Its rubbish that this innovative business model does not work today! And the process is straight forward as well to boot so very sad that this company does not work in the UK political system and business world. It makes so much sense in lots of ways so I hope this Phoenix can rise again from the ashes! 😥

Not rubbish at all - on the contrary! ❤

6800 nm of torque?? The largest scania 770s has less than 4000

Schöner econic

Why not change the hydrolic system to electric, seems like that would consume less energy, require less maintenance and perhaps even be more reliable.

@evil17

Ай бұрын

It already has a robust hydraulic system that just needs a motor to run it, I imagine it would be a very costly exercise to completely rehash it to all electric system.

@HansMilling

Ай бұрын

@@evil17 true, but i guess on new vehicles it would make more sense with electric actuators.

That's so very useful 0 - 80kph in 6 seconds rubbish truck, stopping every 5 metres - brilliant 😮

still need people to load the bins? australia got rid of those decades ago

So nice and quiet.

Canada tried with electric fire truck and that failed miserably

Here's another market for you fiat ducato motorhomes.. in wheel motors at the back, and simplify the electrics in the van..

Contact Waste Management in New Zealand. They’ve been doing this for 6 years through converting vehicles.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

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