IS THE FORCE STILL WITH ME? Revisiting My FFB Settings In Automobilista 2 After V1.5

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Force feedback is a hotly debated, controversial, sometimes polarizing topic among us sim racers. Everyone has their own setup of wheel base, steering wheel, pedals and accessories, different drivers and - last but not least - different expectations of how a certain car should drive and feel. Consequently, everyone has their own concept of "realistic", "immersive" or "arcady". This makes it difficult to make general statements.
Since V1.4 I have been using the Custom FFB "rFuktor 5.0.1K" and in True Drive, the Simucube driver software, the profile "rFuktor 5.0.1K Kuku tune". However, since version 1.5 changes the driving physics partly drastically, and also inspired by your comments in my last video I put my FFB settings once again to the test, checked and tweaked both the Wheel Base Settings as well as the ingame settings and I even gave the presets Default and Default+ another chance. Where I finally ended up and why, is what you are going to see in this video.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro / My Previous Settings / The Test Setup
2:49 Vehicle Specific FFB 1
3:15 Custom Type FFB
5:29 Dialing in Slew Rate Limit
8:32 Default Type FFB
11:31 Default+ Type FFB
13:17 Custom FFB w/ Less FX and Damping
14:59 Custom FFB w/ Less Gain, More FX and Damping
15:59 Vehicle Specific FFB 2
17:03 Close To Perfection FFB
18:42 F-USA 23 Long Beach
22:07 Summary
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LINKS
rFuktor 5.0.1K Tune Custom FFB File
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MY SIM RACING GEAR
Simucube 2 Sport with SRB BB Ultra: www.simracingbay.com/product/...
Cube Controls CSX3
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TrackRacer TR80 Cockpit
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Sparco Motorsport Wheel P310 Open
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Motamec Formula Race Steering Wheel Small Double D 270mm Black Suede Black Spoke
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Fanatec ClubSport Wheel R300
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Fanatec ClubSport Wheel Rim GT 320
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Fanatec ClubSport Shifter SQ 1.5
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Heusinkveld Sim Shifter Sequential
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Heusinkveld Sprint Pedals
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  • @John.B.Ellis27
    @John.B.Ellis2711 ай бұрын

    Reiza's own 3 different FFB profiles (i.e., basic, Default, & Default+) are designed in the same layered, hierachical manner as the PURE/PURE + Effects FFB profiles in the original Automobilista. The Reiza CUSTOM profile (i.e., basic) outputs steering torque acting around the front suspension's kingpin axis (this model was lifted directly from the PURE profile in AMS1). The Default profile takes the basic profile and adds damping, friction, road vibration, kerb effects, and longitudinal/lateral FRONT axis tire scrub/slip effects (i.e., EPAS model stuff). The Default+ profile takes the Default profile and features both front AND rear wheel EPAS scrub/slip effects as well as stationary/low speed drivetrain vibrations. The Reiza CUSTOM (basic) profile is only modifiable by the GAIN and LFB sliders to set the centering force and overal FFB strength; DAMPING and FX sliders only regulate the additional features activated by the Default and Default+ profiles.

  • @mh7711

    @mh7711

    11 ай бұрын

    So what Profile is the best? the + for Front and rear?

  • @TimoDick
    @TimoDick11 ай бұрын

    Hi guys, thanks alot for your comments and "forceful feedback". I have one correction to make. I thought that switching to "Default" or "Default+" would ignore the Custom FFB File. However, apparently it doesn't! So I have done another test session with the Default as bare as I can have it, and it indeed felt much better and similar to Default+, making the overall differences between the 3 types even smaller. So to have the genuine "Default" feel, I recommend to at least remove your custom FFB file from your documents folder as it still seems to influence the overall FFB. Then adjust your driver settings and in the ingame values to your preference.

  • @mesfigas

    @mesfigas

    9 ай бұрын

    must delete the rfuctor ffb file while out of the game and enter the game again so ams2 generate a new ffb file that you can test the default and default+ when loading game with a specific custom ffb file you can test only this and not the ams ffb files (default and default+) thanks for video

  • @Cereal_Killr
    @Cereal_Killr6 ай бұрын

    FFB is a preference...THANK YOU AND FULLY AGREE! It's annoying when people say "you're settings are wrong" There is no wrong setting, but I do feel there can be BAD settings yet still. Set your wheel up to a setting that is best for you people. Some use settings for feel and winning. I use a setup for a more real feel, using higher FX or track feelings is what I like. I don't numb them so I have a better chance to feel what car is doing....that's not how it is in real life. My 2 cents...

  • @SOLARWARDEN4KHDR
    @SOLARWARDEN4KHDR11 ай бұрын

    Very Great And Amazing Video!

  • @kevin_m
    @kevin_m11 ай бұрын

    Great vid Timo! I am going to have to do a more dedicated session using custom ffb. I actually have been fine with sc2 pro and the default ams2 ffb (shocking as it sounds!). My in game settings are very similar to yours especially with the dampening at 50%. Exactly what I use. I adapted the reiza sc2 sport settings for my use w just small tweaks. Again I’ll explore the custom setup a bit more now though! 😊

  • @TimoDick
    @TimoDick11 ай бұрын

    Hi guys, I now set the link to the rFuktor file to "sharing" to avoid giving permission every single time somebody clicks on it. My bad. Please try again in case you have already clicked on it.

  • @EchoClam
    @EchoClam11 ай бұрын

    I wouldn't recommend copying the settings shown here (I know that wasn't the intention of the video) unless you have a comparable DD wheel base, but particularly for people that have gear and belt drive wheels, like Logitech / Thrustmaster T300 / T248. I'm still experimenting but I'm using these settings for my T248. Default+, Gain 75, LFB 65, FX 20, Damping 25 and vehicle specific set too 80%. In the wheel driver, I have "periodic" and damper turned down too 75%, the periodic setting I think is responsible for the constant vibration and lowering it a bit feels smoother.

  • @roswithadick-reinecker5860
    @roswithadick-reinecker586011 ай бұрын

    Danke!

  • @TheCameltotem
    @TheCameltotem11 ай бұрын

    I really love the modern indycar in AMS2 now, it was quite bad pre 1.5 but feels amazing now.

  • @WarmRed77
    @WarmRed7711 ай бұрын

    Das Reiza Team hat ihr FFB mit dem default+ Profil abgestimmt. Da bekommt genau das was sie für richtig halten und darum fahre ich auch schon lange nur noch mit diesem Profil. Alle Custom Files sind nach meinem Geschmack nur Kompromisse .

  • @XxmattitudexX
    @XxmattitudexX11 ай бұрын

    Very interesting had not played around with the different default, default + etc. I have a logitech pro DD wheel. the FX setting seems to be directly related to logitechs true force FFB settings. turning down tf audio on my wheel completely kills the fx engine vibrations . they also seem to disappear in the custom setting vs default +. i think its important to use the telemetry display on hud that shows ffb force and when its clipping.I set up clipping slightly using the in game menu settings for the big sausages at laguna seca and about 1/2+ way for normal turn, tire load. then use the ffb gain settings from assigning keys change it on the fly while driving to comfort level about 3-6 nm in loaded turns depending on car. default plus seemed to be in middle as far as linearity around peak tire load with custom being very broad and subtle and default really focusing on the peak

  • @FeHanke
    @FeHanke10 күн бұрын

    The default + setting gives me a that understeer effect but it gets very hard to catch oversteer cause the damping seems to be too weak

  • @andyw0340
    @andyw034011 ай бұрын

    For the default to work you would have to start from scratch on your base settings and game settings. It's no good judging it with a load of settings tuned to your previous ffb profile!

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    11 ай бұрын

    Hi Andy, I agree. I have done another test session with the Default as bare as I can have it, and it indeed felt much better and similar to Default+. So guys, to have the proper Default feel, I recommend to at least remove your custom FFB file from your documents folder as it still seems to influence the overall FFB. Then dial in the ingame values to your preference.

  • @RustyRacingUK
    @RustyRacingUK11 ай бұрын

    I switched mine to default from default+ and saw an instance difference in FFB. I’m using the moza R9v2

  • @simstation1122
    @simstation112211 ай бұрын

    I've tried that rFuktor custom with Simagic wheel (as "raw" as possible driver settings) and it's an absolute rubbish. Seems that this custom profile rly should be used with Simucube wheel. So default+ is the way to go. Also noticed that ingame damping consumes a lot of FFB details, so I can't see any reason to set it up more than 20. Anyway AMS2 FFB system is not something you expect from a sim title in 2023. Overcomplicated. Period.

  • @Mikemav3
    @Mikemav311 ай бұрын

    Timo thanks for making this video, I had settled on very similar custom settings in the same baseline simucube setting that you were using. I was thinking the same thing how the 1.5 changes will affect that, so you’ve given me a good starting point to digging more. One quick question in your game configuration settings do you have steering sensitivity set to 50? For some reason somewhere along the line I changed mine to 69 I think because it helped on turn in with certain cars and making the wheel more reactive but it seems counterintuitive that that would be the best thing to build good settings from. I may try it again at default, just curious where yours is set?

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    11 ай бұрын

    Thx, my steering sensitivity is on 47, same as before.

  • @ezpz4659
    @ezpz465911 ай бұрын

    On my Simagic Alpha, I prefer Default over any other option. It feels so consistent, and i dont have to adjust ffb per car at all.

  • @leandrosouza9875

    @leandrosouza9875

    11 ай бұрын

    I also have a simagic alpha and currently use the custom ffb. Can you share your game config and the simpro config. Thanks

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    11 ай бұрын

    I have exactly the same feeling with the Custom file, super consistent and effectively no per-car ffb dialing.

  • @taxi615

    @taxi615

    11 ай бұрын

    I'm also on the Alpha and the lack of FFB info out there makes me wish I would have spent more for Simucube. It's my only regret as it's an awesome DD. I hope they get the cloud sharing in Manager up soon.

  • @mh7711
    @mh771111 ай бұрын

    What is the best Setting for Fanatec Wheelbase 2.5?

  • @V6Fanatic
    @V6Fanatic6 ай бұрын

    Good Video, Thanks, i struggle with the ffb feeling in ams2 a lot with my simucube 2 pro, can you please share your sc2 profile?

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    6 ай бұрын

    I can share my True Drive cache file which is stored im MyDocuments: drive.google.com/file/d/1vJatyMVNXX9qMWNYzScsIrZNf1mOZJdl/view?usp=sharing

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    6 ай бұрын

    Please note that in the game I've switched to Default+.

  • @FeHanke
    @FeHanke10 күн бұрын

    I get no feeling for understeer with the custom settings

  • @cdrseabee
    @cdrseabee11 ай бұрын

    Try experimenting with flat spots with rhe F1 cars. On my DD it can get way harsh. Depending on how much flat spot you create I think?

  • @kiptanoi4422
    @kiptanoi442211 ай бұрын

    Hello Are you using "rFuktor 5.0.1K High Freq" or "rFuktor 5.0.1K Low Freq" for the Simucube 2?

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    11 ай бұрын

    I've been using high frequency

  • @rtimmins7212
    @rtimmins721211 ай бұрын

    When you have a CUSTOM FFB text file (relabeled) in the AMS2 Documents folder, CUSTOM Need to be set in the FFB Games setting. Then when you change the in game FFB setting to Default or Default + ,the game is still using the Custom FFB text File in the documents folder. Am I correct? Wouldn't you need to delete the rFactor custom file with the default and restart AMS 2. Can someone expand on this for me?

  • @bigredracingteam9642

    @bigredracingteam9642

    11 ай бұрын

    I'm not sure if I've understood your question correctly, but the game is only using the settings in the custom file when the in-game FFB setting is on "Custom." Selecting "Default" or "Default+" reverts to the game's built-in presets.

  • @rtimmins7212

    @rtimmins7212

    11 ай бұрын

    ya you understood. So I guess when I set to Default or Default plus the game is not utilizing the text file at all in the Documents folder?

  • @Darkeminence

    @Darkeminence

    11 ай бұрын

    @@rtimmins7212 When you choose "Default+" or "Default" the game will NOT utilize anything from the custom FFB file - only if you set it to "Custom" it will read from the custom FFB file

  • @Anne_Patel
    @Anne_Patel7 ай бұрын

    I tried your setup on Long beach. It feels dead, I dont feel anything at all for the most part with your custom setup. I'm probably going to stick with default-plus

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    7 ай бұрын

    Depends also on your hardware and driver settings. I've switched to Default+ shortly after the video and still am happy with it. Also better than the updated rFuktor Custom File which came out recently.

  • @Anne_Patel

    @Anne_Patel

    7 ай бұрын

    @@TimoDick Yeah, I agree. Would probably feel better with a DD system. I'm currently using a belt drive

  • @jahvincheedop8701
    @jahvincheedop870111 ай бұрын

    the old kunos guys said , that you don´t feel much of curbs in a real car on a real track. fx settings in most games are injecting fake effects in the ffb which are not there in reality. i turn it off in most sims. i just want the raw feeling of the front axis and no fake effects.

  • @TimoDick

    @TimoDick

    11 ай бұрын

    Regarding curb feel, I cannot confirm. I've driven both diverse road cars and also racing cars (Formula BMW, Porsche GTR) on tracks, and, unless the curbs are not just painted, they were always tangible and had an impact and effect on the car handling. But to each his own. It has to suit YOUR needs.

  • @x-vector7245

    @x-vector7245

    11 ай бұрын

    I remember reading a comment about two years ago from some guy who claimed to have driven a Formula 4 (type) car and from what I recall he said that while the overall wheel resistance was less than he expected, when driving over curbs he felt like his teeth were rattling out of his skull. Perhaps a touring class race car would be a bit more "disconnected" in terms of road feel, but I imagine you'd still feel [i]something[/i].

  • @Nicklz5555

    @Nicklz5555

    6 ай бұрын

    When you're on the motorway and go over the lines on the outside edge they make a hell of a rumble feeling to warn you you're off the road so I think bigger curbs and such will be a hell if an impact on a racing track with harder suspension . 😊

  • @ezpz4659
    @ezpz465911 ай бұрын

    Default ffb is the best. Your wheel settings must be bad in your software ,because with my Simagic Alpha Default is better than all the others.

  • @ThePape78

    @ThePape78

    11 ай бұрын

    Not for the Simucube 2 pro

  • @labpong7562

    @labpong7562

    11 ай бұрын

    You have a simucube sport 2 as well? How do you know what works with his base?

  • @ezpz4659

    @ezpz4659

    11 ай бұрын

    @@labpong7562 Well if you look deeper, Default is actually considered (Raw) and Default+ is (Immersive). DD wheels should be using Default. Default + is for belt/gear wheels.

  • @ThePape78

    @ThePape78

    11 ай бұрын

    @@labpong7562 Thats the problem nowadays. Many think that their truth always applies to everyone.

  • @thijsazerty692

    @thijsazerty692

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@ezpz4659b*llshit, default+ just gives extra sorts of input(road feeling etc) to the ffb. It's up to the player if you want to feel the extra information. I'm also on a simagic base, your explanation is sh*t

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