By that logic every tank with a single-turret is a copy of the Renault FT

@vivelarevolution2835

2 жыл бұрын

i mean, they did

@PyroFTB

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivelarevolution2835 Yeah, every country of power bought or copied the FT after the war.

@maxkronader5225

2 жыл бұрын

And every tank with a three man turret was a copy of the Pzkpfw III, etc.

@sarttee

2 жыл бұрын

well, they are.

@azrael9016

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxkronader5225 well pretty much all major nations came up with 3 men turret at pretty much the same time so no one can say one "copied" from the other :)))

Probably the very first project of an "uninhabited" turret was a project by Nikolai Benardos (a Russian engineer of Greek origin) around the 1890s, when he proposed making remote-controlled coastal turrets with Gauss cannons. During the First World War, systems for remote control of naval artillery were developed in Russia, including synchronization with sights, automatic loading with belt-fed ammunition, stabilization, etc., another project was a turret with a multi-barreled anti-aircraft gun with a "fire" width of about 4.3 meters synchronized with a separate scope. During World War II, remotely controlled turrets appeared on some aircraft, automatic loading systems for tank guns were developed, at least in the USA and the USSR this was the case. In fact, already at that time it was possible to create a tank similar to the TTB or T-14 "Armata". At the same time, there were already systems capable of transmitting images live via cable or radio, at least there were several attempts to create an analogue of Skype even before the First World War, the main problem was price and accuracy. Roughly speaking, after all these inventions, the creation of such a tank as the TTB or T-14 was only a matter of time.

@normieloser6969

2 жыл бұрын

Made me laugh

@badgermcbadger1968

2 жыл бұрын

Made me laugh

@caltheklutz6373

2 жыл бұрын

Made me laugh

@novanoir8309

2 жыл бұрын

wait, Gauss cannon? In 1890's?

Ignorant haters who yell copy at anything without doing any research or just plain thinking for a second, are definitely my favorite. Happy New Year

@jaroslavdudas7227

2 жыл бұрын

NOOOOO! T-14 IS COPY OF M1TTB!!!!!! 😡😭😡😱😡😭😡😱

@deadjustdead3425

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you are china they copies everything

@TheArklyte

2 жыл бұрын

Literary decades of "haha, germans/soviets/russians/chinese/anybodybusus can only steal US made things" propaganda. They don't care about counter examples, license production, joint companies or (mostly in chinese case) technology given away for free by american corporations themselves just because the receiving side haven't killed all of its domestic industry for the sake of "postindustrial society doesn't need domestic industry" myth. What can you expect from them?

@m1a1abrams3

2 жыл бұрын

germany copied me

@slycer876

2 жыл бұрын

@@m1a1abrams3 I know that u know but just incase leopard 2 and Abrams came from the same project

Those who say this are probably the same ones who say that AK-47 is a copy of the STG-44 just because they look similiar. While not knowing that the Gewehr-43 is a reverse-engineered SVT-40, but looks different from the outside.

@manticore4952

2 жыл бұрын

The AK was directly inspired from captured STG-44s, it's not a direct copy but the Russians did use it as a template and worked with Germans designers.

@marty2129

2 жыл бұрын

@@manticore4952 actually, there is a different gun that inspired AK-47, and that is M1 Garand (the mechanics are almost the same)... MKb-42 (that later developed into the StG-44) might have pushed soviets to adopt their own new cartridge (7.62x41mm, that was later developed into 7.62x39mm mod. 1943) and the tactical role could have been considered, but AK-47 was made to be a replacement for a role filled by a PPS submachine gun (instead of the battle rifle replacement that StG was made to be... a soviet equivalent would have been the SKS-45, or SKS rifle)... And also, contrary to the popular belief, AK-47 isn't the first soviet assault rifle that would be outwardly similar to StG-44... that honour goes to several gun projects from 1944 such as Sudayev's AS-44 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS-44), and mind you, that gun's operating parts were more similar to StG-44 (and also to czech ZB-26 machine gun...) Also, there isn't that much german designers did to help soviets, and Hugo Schmeisser's work in USSR tends to be overestimated, although he should have been recognised in helping to perfect gas piston for some of the early designs that entered soviet 1946 SMG trials

@mihailo674

2 жыл бұрын

@@manticore4952 Russians had a variety of automatic rifles for special forces long before 1943. Ever heard of the Federov avtomat from 1915, or the AVS-36? There was also a few thousand full-auto SVT-40's made for NKVD paratroopers. "Worked with German designers", in the middle of the war? The Kalashnikov rifle was designed in 1944 already, but only when into service after the war because they didnt want to slow down the production of the already capable SKS. Same reason why the T-44 wasn't put into production before the end of the war, because they didnt want to slow down the production of T-34/85's. Also, if you ever saw the mechanism of those rifles, you would've seen that the HK G3 and AR15/M16 share more similar design features to the STG44 than the AK.

@dickmelsonlupot7697

2 жыл бұрын

@@manticore4952 The AK is actually just a full auto M1 Garand. The only reason they look the same is because that during that time, the STG-44 was pretty much "*THE*" assault rifle design. Go to America and you'll only see them being stuck with the M1 Garand and the M14 that came later. Britain still had Lee-Enfields and were still struggling to make ends meet.

@marty2129

2 жыл бұрын

@@mihailo674 I wouldn't bet on AR-15 being that similar to StG-44 either... G3 is probably the closest by outward apearance and , but it's operating mechanism is completely different, much closer to MG-42 (after all, it is a roller-delayed blowback, an almost direct evolution of StG-45 (M) from Mauser, where it was made by the same guy who made the MG-42 AFAIK) In fact, the closest thing to StG-44 is actually FN FAL, having a tilting bolt/tilting block locking mechanism, though powered by a short-stroke gas piston, and its first prototypes were actually made in 7.92mm Kurz (a.k.a. 8mm Kurz) AR-10 (and its derivate AR-15) are, funnily enough, quite different from StG-44, their use of rotating bolt makes them (and by extension, the Stoner 63 and AR-18) a bit closer to M1941 Johnson rifle (or to Browning's Remington Model 8 rifle bolt), the in-line buffer tube and in-line action is very close to M1941 Johnson LMG, german interwar MG-13 (that was a direct development of WW1 design) or the famous FG-42, while their gas system is similar to swedish Automatgevär m/42... However, as you can see, many of the operating mechanisms (with the exception of the roller-delayed blowback) and ergonomic principles, even the one from StG-44, were known and used before... SVT-40 has the same locking mechanism, czechoslovak ZB-26 machine gun, a direct predecessor to the famous BREN machine gun has almost the same method operating mechanism (including the combination of tilting bolt and long-stroke gas piston) as MKb-42 (H) from which the StG-44 was just an update, and so on...

I think a lot of common problems are always going to have common solutions, irregardless of national borders and politics. This is just a question of human ingenuity exploring related design features, not blind plagiarism.

@halseyactual1732

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the laws of physics don't magically change across national boundaries.

@FirstDagger

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, convergent design is a thing.

@RIlianP

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't shape your plane like a brick just to be different from the other side.

@pheonixshaman

2 жыл бұрын

It is similar to an evolutionary concept called "parallel evolution" where two very different species from very different parts of the world develop similar features to survive (such as the armadillo and the pangolin or cacti and old world plants of the Euphorbia genus).

@CyberneticArgumentCreator

2 жыл бұрын

I'm actually baffled at how dense this comment section is. You realize that Russia spent an ungodly amount of time and personnel, for decades, just focused on stealing tech from the US?

It's like people saying "TU-160 is a copy of the B-1" just cause it has the same silhouette.

As with many military developments, I think it's an example of convergent evolution. Specific advances in technology are utilized in the same way in multiple nation's research and lead to similar creations.

It should be pointed out that the M1TTB is a dead end, it didn't manage to get past the prototype stage, while the Russians continued on testing new tank designs and eventually, along with technologies and concepts from the earlier projects manage to produce the T-14..

@marty2129

2 жыл бұрын

@@revolverswitch To be honest, I find the whole "Armata is a brand new development" argument to be mostly propaganda, considering how similar is T-14 to Objekt 195 (basically, it is the same base hull and I bet the same turret, the wheels are from T-80 instead of T-72, but that isn't much of a difference, it has a different gun, more modern ERA and electronics, more sensible secondary armament and a turret cover to look more modern, but that's basically it)... and maybe that's why it takes so long to put it into service. But to be honest, considering the other soviet prototype "supertank", I also wonder how much a T-15 (the heavy IFV version of Armata platform) has in common with Objekt 299, and how much Objekt 299 has in common with Objekt 195...

@johnkrieg9368

2 жыл бұрын

@@marty2129 It is a new development in a sense that it is a big improvement compared to Russia's current MBTs, at the same time, the development is in line with the Soviet/Russian philosophy of evolutionary design..

@honkhonk8009

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, thats not how it works. America funds these programs mostly for just research. Not for the sake of deploying. Its to guage which direction their doctrine and tech should go.

@nickdial8528

2 жыл бұрын

The T-14 is a dead end too

Those same people said that Tupolev TU-160 is a copy of B-1 Lancer.Thats how American superiority complex works 😂

@f-15jeagle63

2 жыл бұрын

Happens if you have small pp. You need a penis "enlarger" (superiority complex)

@captaron

2 жыл бұрын

What’s funny is they had a military version and a civilian variant proposed and the soviets chose the civilian variant due to cost. Based of the Tuplov 144.

@u2beuser714

2 жыл бұрын

Americans are jealous because the only enemy they fought are unarmed civilians hiding in mudhuts in some irrelevant 3rd world hellholes. If russia wants it could mop the floor with any of their woke military anytime.

@JGILB

2 жыл бұрын

@@u2beuser714 Didn't Russia try to fight unarmed civilians hiding in mud huts in some irrelevant 3rd world hellhole and were forced to flee as well? Tell me how did Grozny go for the Russians?

@ballsdeep7056

2 жыл бұрын

@@JGILB and afghanistan

I love your channel for your strive to be objective and unbiased. Keep up the good work, Red! Also, Happy New Year to you!

Many Countries experimented with unmanned turret systems fom 1980 on. Not only the US and the SU, but also Germany, France, GB, even the Jordanians had their own concept, based upon the britisch Chieftain - not in the 80's however, but still before T14 Armata. And, yes, of course all of them were closely interested in the concepts and ideas of the other countries.

@samuelleal6149

2 жыл бұрын

from the jordanians it was the Falcon turret

@paulgrove1407

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelleal6149 Which was a further development of a South African turret for the Lynx Armored car.

Well, this should mean the f35 is a copy of the yak41

@dudejohnson1865

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@jebise1126

2 жыл бұрын

its not copy but some american companies did help to finance yak41 and got some data from that. basically jet exhaust of the main jet engine is the same. but only that since yak41 used 3 jet engines and 2 front ones that jak used are not used on f35

I'm *so glad* you did this video as this topic constantly rears its head in Cold War forums. I find the late-Soviet projects fascinating and as someone from the West the amount of misinformation and speculation we had regarding them back during the Cold War varies from the annoying to the hilarious (such as the BDD armour package just being a huge chunk of RHA) I'd definitely enjoy seeing videos on those projects!

Yes! Another RedEffect Video! Have found your channel a few days ago and i'm loving the content! Btw. Could you do a Leopard 2A7V vs. Abrams M1A2C in-depht comparison ?

@Viktor-fl5mv

2 жыл бұрын

*M1A2C or M1A2SEPv3

@Aquila.

2 жыл бұрын

@@Viktor-fl5mv Oh right, thanks!

@f-15jeagle63

2 жыл бұрын

I think it will be quite hard to compare these two since the a7v is still a super new tank

@Aquila.

2 жыл бұрын

@@f-15jeagle63 New yeah, but most of the Things are already known

@Aquila.

2 жыл бұрын

@rn Yes

I really enjoy your videos. They are very informative. It’s nice to hear prospective from other sources outside of The U.S.

Srecna Nova godina, sve najbolje.

It would be amazing and highly educational if you make some videos about those Soviet objects too!

The Object 490. (The first functional prototypes that would become the T-14, NOT including B) were made in the early 80s, the M1 TTB is late 80s/early 90s. So no, the M1 TTB prototype is not the first to it, let alone the first in this specific area.

Same people who say the AK 47 was a copy of the Stg 44

@Theo_Aubusson

2 жыл бұрын

@RuDuffEnough WellRu It wasn't they worked in the same town for a moment, but the AK-47 is completly different than the STG44 from a working perspective. In fact it is closer to the M1 Garand

@Kalashnikov413

2 жыл бұрын

@RuDuffEnough WellRu "No way some peasant thinkerer with no gun making experience created the world's most used Assault Rifle" That's the exact reason why the Soviet officials never put Schmeißer in charge of helping Kalashnikov, since they'll never expect Kalashnikov to win in the first place and prefer to put Schmeißer in charge of helping more famous and more experienced weapon designers

@Rake3577

2 жыл бұрын

@RuDuffEnough WellRu Richard Gatling studied medicine and dentistry yet he invented the Gatling gun, John Moses browning never had any formal education yet his influence on firearms still exists today, what those 2 and many other famous firearm designers have in common is that they grew up tinkering with machines and guns, same goes for Michael Kalashnikov, read about his life and the Kalashnikov sub machine gun with the screw delayed blowback system he invented in a shed on his own, and read about the Soviet method of developing pretty much everything, multiple firearm designing teams might be competing but they actually helped each other out because at the end of the day it was about designing the best tool for the job and choosing all the best attributes of each system, Sudayev actually helped out Kalashnikov a lot and the sks influenced the AK specially if you compare the AK 47 to the AK 46 design and how Kalashnikov based the overall layout on the sks for simplicity and rigidity, and he had access to a lot of designs to inspire from just like all firearm designers around the world do btw, and the AK is mainly inspired by American designs mostly the m1 garant and Winchester model 8, I really advise you read more about the subject it’s very interesting history and goes to show that even a peasant from the altai mountains can make a difference given the proper conditions of course

Those guys are the same that also claim the japanese A6M was just a copy of an american plane....

@kirgan1000

2 жыл бұрын

and then we have the other side of the coin, that claime that Kalashnikov did never know about the Stg 44, then he was making the Ak-47.

@f-15jeagle63

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirgan1000 from the inside the ak doesn't seem to be inspired by the stg but the design for the weapon was atleast in my opinion 100% inspired by the stg to some extend

@radical026

2 жыл бұрын

@@f-15jeagle63 Intermediate cartridge firearms of such a format had been explored for many years prior to actual adoption; it is another case of concurrent development. Thus why also in 1944 there was Sudayev's avtomat as well

@kthec1298

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirgan1000 ak isnt inpired by the stg 44, kalashnikov him self said he was inspired by the m1 garant, stg and the ak got nothing in comon when it comes to the inner parts, but the m1 and the ak got the same operating system

@kirgan1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@f-15jeagle63 Yes I refers to Kalashnikov was inspired by Stg 44. Ak-47 is obviously not a clone of the Stg 44.

I really enjoy these informative videos regardless of the topic, thank you for producing these and keep it up!

Form follows function. If you have separate groups of requirements and problems that are similar, if not the same, than the probability of development of solutions that are similar is very high. The same thing with B-1A and Tu-160.

Great video! Please do the more in-depth videos for the other projects

Red could you say something about the German VTS1? Heard its name getting thrown around when it comes to automated turrets but I could never really find out if its was even functional. Love your vids!

@mbr5742

5 ай бұрын

One prototype build. Currently in the WTS Koblenz de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTS1 Yes, it did work but was never intended to become a series vehicle, this like the VT 'dual barrel tanks was purely a testbed. Someone should send the Chieftain to the WTS. Since that is a military collection (run by the german army) but open to the public it should work well

I wonder if the problem of motion sickness was ever fully solved. Three men looking at TV screens: driver’s camera fixed forward, commander’s off in a different direction looking for targets/threats, gunner’s aligned with the turret. Now start rolling over rough terrain and swiveling the turret and CITV in different directions while hitting tree stumps and it’s a perfect recipe nauseous disorientation. It’s a reason why tank crewmen spend most of their time “unbuttoned” with their heads in the fresh air

Russia : - Receive complaint about their tanks getting blown out sky-high because the ammo located in the same spot as the crew. - Look at Murican - "Hey Igor, we need separate compartement blyat!" - "Dimitri, that would made us need to put loader cyka! No human loader!" - Proceed to not have anyone in the turret - "Da! This is good tictac!"

if that is a copy , that means any future remote controlled tank or such is a copy of the Teletanks made by Russia in 1930 lmao. ofc it is not a copy , just ideas being overlapped as humans did such things across history without having any ties to each other.

It would be interesting to see, what tanks would look like, when each nation would have access to every other nations prototypes and concepts.

Is F35 a Copy of YAK141 ?!?

I remember reading a book by Ralph Peters written in 1991, called "War 2020", and in it one of the characters is soviet tank commander, whose tank has unmanned turret. So probably in 1991 military people in USA already knew about existence of such projects in Soviet Union.

@jozsimovcek30

2 жыл бұрын

USSR fell in 1991. And you can guess who was there first.

@honkhonk8009

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. People knew about unmanned turrets for awhile, even before lmfao. Its not a unique russian or american thought. The US has deployed drones and whatnot for years. Many other nations have deployed drones as target practice aswell even during the 40s. Its pretty obvious how poeple derived the unmanned turret idea, the moment turrets became moved electronically.

@mbr5742

5 ай бұрын

The Twilight:2000 from the same time period also had tanks with remote turrets in it

I'd love to see you compare the various up-gunned prototypes of the late Cold War from both NATO and Warsaw Pact countries, as there seemed to be quite the craze to go beyond the standard 120mm/125mm to things like 140mm and 152mm for MBTs. The Soviets had Object 292, a 152mm armed T-80U, the US had two different projects involving up-gunning the M1 Abrams to 140mm (M1 CATTB and Lockheed Martin's 'Thumper'), as did Germany, with the Leopard 2 KWS III and Leopard 2 T19. Several other countries followed this trend, like France and Switzerland, so it'd be a neat topic to cover!

T-14: hey guys watch this! T-72, 80 and 90: ok? T-14: *spins turret*

Convergent evolution is a thing. There are, for example, different species of crustaceans that look like crabs but are of no relation to them. They simply evolved many similar traits because they were advantageous for survival. Same goes for tanks, ideas are not exclusive, and designers can arrive to same conclusions on their own.

@The-Last-Ariya

2 жыл бұрын

Evolution is false

@BigPapaKaiser

2 жыл бұрын

@@The-Last-Ariya so is brain activity apparently.

@The-Last-Ariya

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigPapaKaiser proof it’s real other than statements?

@BigPapaKaiser

2 жыл бұрын

@@The-Last-Ariya I'm afraid I would only be able to explain it, not understand it for you.

Great video. I would like to see though how T-14 came about to be chosen, since for years there was a lot of rumours of the "Black Eagle" and T-95 tanks that will take place of the T-72 platform. Do we know what T-14 is in the doctrine? Is it just a replacement (which mostly happened in the western countries) or is it a specialised vehicle that is supposed to be fighting with other tanks in combined arms warfare, like T-64 with T-55 and T-80 with T-72.

@mihailo674

2 жыл бұрын

There was a project called Object 219 "Burlak", a new turret that was able to be immediately fitted on all existing T-72, T-80 and T-90 hulls. It has the 2a82 125mm gun ( T-14 Armata's gun), the autoloader was moved to a massive turret bustle on the rear (similiar to the Leclerc's autoloader), and is able to fit the 3BM69 (DU) and 3BM70 (tungsten) APFSDS shells which are now used on the T-14, 3rd gen thermals, APS, etc. But it got cancelled for unknown reasons. Instead, it was decided that T-14 becomes the new "elite tank", while T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M will be the "standard tanks" or "frontline tanks". The 3BM59 and 3BM60 shells (with 740-800mm pen) made for the modernized older tanks are enough to deal with almost any current NATO tank, i guess that was the reason.

@marty2129

2 жыл бұрын

@@mihailo674 Actually, Objekt 219 Burlak doesn't have the 2A82... it has the same gun as T-90A, the 2A46M-5, and it got cancelled because Omsk factory got into financial troubles and got integrated into UVZ. And in UVZ they integrated some parts into the then-developed new turret for what became the T-90M

I think literally every tank is a copy of ft 17 and mark 1 tank

@Schnittertm1

2 жыл бұрын

No, they are all a copy of da Vinci's ideas.

Indeed, it seems like technological advancements push countries to move in the same direction. The Swedish Strv2000 would also have had an unmanned turret with an autoloader and even a coaxial autocanon.

@badgermcbadger1968

2 жыл бұрын

Coaxial autocannon was also present in the amx-30 imk

Technically every single tank is a direct copy of the Renault FT. And every aircraft is a direct copy of the Wright Flyer. Because physics demands it. Russia's been all in on autoloaders for 60 years and gun and thirsty controls have been electricity controlled for even longer. Aiming through a TV, again every tank has been doing that for 50 years. So it's more a physics and technology thing, it's now you make the best tank today.

Nice, love learning about late soviet projects like this!

can you do a video about the t80UM2 Black eagle?

The human body and psyche are pretty universal, so solutions for certain problems will often look similar. Most people have pretty similar ergonomic needs, so is it any wonder chairs look "the same"? Similarly, tanks have pretty strict design limitations (length/width ratios, weight and balance, needs an engine, etc.) and so it should be expected that they would have broadly similar designs. It should therefore be no surprise, then, that designs intended to improve crew survivability would look similar, since tanks have similar limitations. Putting all the crew in a single, heavily armored capsule weighs less than separating them, improves morale and efficiency by having crew near each other, and is more predictable for weight balance.

3:08 what's the tank on the left?

it's just that, as time goes on, in the search of more efficient weaponry, different factions come to design similar things. a kind of evolutionary convergence. in the same way as most armies have come to use an assault rifle of some sort as the kind of standard rifle for the basic infantrymen (and the very basic requirments are similar, as most assault rifles usually have more or less around 30 rounds in mag, an intermediate cartridge, both semi auto and full auto, etc... ) same for portable anti tank weapons : shaped charge is the technology used by most armies.

such an interesting video about generations of design and their comparison. Wow.

"someone else other than us tried their hand at a low profile turret! Impossible!"

All your vids are amazing!

Over the years this tank has gotten so much unnecessary hate from butthurt fanboys.

This is more like a T-14 lore video than a M1TTB video. But the end wraps it up nicely.

Hi can you do one on the ascod 2 sabrah light tank?

I think its the same problem with many gen 5 stealth fighter design had similiar shape because there are limitation of stealth design can be incoporated into plane shape

evolution of technology can lead to converging designs that end up similar, kinda like evolution and how some animals evolve into similar patterns despite coming from difference families

I really what to know more on those projects so please do videos

Thanks for clarifying all the things

The people saying the T-14 is designed as a copy of the M1TTB are the same sort of people who say the B2 Spirit is designed off of the Ho229, or the AK is an STG clone etc "Hurr Durr something looks kinda similar they must be related hurr durr."

that being said how does Bustle Autoloader work exactly? since yt has no videos that explains it.

*Amazing video, Interesting channel!!*

Good work.

I'm more surprised by the fact that people believe that low profile turret and remotely controlled one are the same thing. So Stryker had remotely controlled one now, is that so?:D P.S.: btw, can they mount Stryker turret onto M8(or better yet, just on Bradley without dismounts) and finally give US troops light tank? Just asking...

@pheonixshaman

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, they could also just order a version of the Stingray, but the US military thrives on inefficiency, waste, and bad theory.

@squgieman

2 жыл бұрын

@@pheonixshaman they literally developed the M8, which is a better stingray then shelved it for no reason, leaving the US airborne with no armored support

A well-reasoned and well-sourced argument.

С таким же успехом можно рассуждать, что AК-47 является копией StG 44, Буран копия Шаттла, Ту-144 копия Конкорда.

@classicgalactica5879

2 жыл бұрын

That's because they are copies. The Blackjack bomber for instance is clearly a rip off of the B-1A Lancer. Russia and China are always ripping off western designs, particularly those of the United States.

can you talk about lesser known Egypt T-55 version Ramses ll tank?

Great work Sir thank you

has there even been any direct copying in military history ? the only thing i could think of is "spizter" bullets

@user-xe9ue2jr2w

2 жыл бұрын

Russia did it with ww2 bombers

@pheonixshaman

2 жыл бұрын

Springfield 1903 comes to mind. They were being sued by the Mauser company for patent infringement prior to WW1.

its like asking who invented fire, or who first controlled fire, many many times all over the planet people independently discovered fire could be controlled, in a fire pit, or oven, there are just certain ways of doing things and sometimes there is only one way of doing something, it dosnt mean somebody copied it, it just means two smart people independently came up with the same ideal, go figure we are all human

but I think T 14 uses the Soviet Union's "project 195" design which failed to materialize, T 14 is smaller than "project 195"

Bruh, the turret of the M1TTB looks like a real-life American version of the World of Tanks PC's Tornvagn.

It's not a copy at all. Americans tend to think along this line a lot, that everything is a copy of their work. Unmanned turret is an old soviet concept from the 70's. Generally speaking Russian tank design philosophy has a long tradition that they tend to be very proud about.

Слов нет какой ты молодец, побольше бы таких

Hell no... T-14 is the last step on the BMD-1 upgrade, from being an AFV (BMD-1), to a TD (Ramka-99 and BMPT-72), in those upgrades the turret is already "empty", no man inside, the turret is just a weapon module, later comes the T-14 Armata (similar to a tank with a 125mm or 152mm gun) T-15 Armata (the same auto canons and ATGMs from early models) I understand, if u see just the final product, maybe u can think in a "copy", but search every model and u will realize, it was a long road to finally get to the T-14 Armata

Tanks for clarification

I can already hear gaijin breathing heavily thinking about the M1TTB

Извините ... Red can u make video about poland t91 twardy It is t 72 basses But is it actually good?? Спасибо Рэд :>

@Viktor-fl5mv

2 жыл бұрын

It is a modernized T72M/M1. We added an polish ERA ERAWA-1/2 ( you can read about it effectiveness on btvt ), Thermal sight for gunner ( most of PT-91's have ELOP TES - 1 gen but some have much newer KLW-1 ASTERIA - 3 gen ), OBRA-1 laser warning system, better engine S-12U 850 hp, Driver's control panel US-DK-1, fire and explosion protection system "Deugra", FCS 1M Drawa/FCS 1T Drawa T - ballistic computer adds lead only for thermal sight not for the day one ( TPD-K1 ), TCR-9500 radio station, POD-72 commander's day-night observation device, Passive night vision device for the driver PNK-72 "Radomka", The side skirts that protect the chassis, made of rubber, were replaced with metal ones. Today this tank is medicore, the biggest problem is his reliability and available APFSDS ammunition.

@gamecubekingdevon3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Viktor-fl5mv does the reliability issues come from powerpack? or just general wear and tear of older parts? because on paper, the PT91 twardy and it's various evolutions, like PT16 and all, look decent

@Viktor-fl5mv

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamecubekingdevon3 Most of the breakdowns were from the engine & elements, electrical installation, armament, FCS, steering electrical installation and communication. We compared the reliability of the Leopard with the PT and concluded that the German machine is much more reliable in all aspects. And yes PT-16, PT-17, PT-91M Pendekar, PT-91M2A1/2 are decent but sadly the version of the PT-91 that the Polish army has is medicore and little obsolete and we do not intend to modernize it.

@gamecubekingdevon3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Viktor-fl5mv sad, as the purchase of leopard 2 platform might bring a lot of smaller issues regarding crew training, re-assigning crews to fit the 4 crew structure instead of 3, taking for account the bigger sizer and higher weight for logistics...

@Viktor-fl5mv

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamecubekingdevon3 Nah, we already operate Leopards 2A4 till 2002 and Leo 2A5's ( 2014 ) and now we want to replace T-72 with Abrams and in future PT-91 and Leopards with something newer maybe K2PL or another Abrams.

Given similar goals and constraints, convergence evolution is inevitable in the long run.

Can you make video about object 640

Folks dont realize that the Bradley was made in a respone to the BMP and BTR. Even if it was, I wouldnt be too surprised, since this type of thing is common.

@su-25frogfoot74

2 жыл бұрын

What? No the Bradley wasn't made in response to the BMP and BTR. It was made because of the new tactics the US wanted to employ. Which was ditching the "battle taxi" mentality and having a vehicle that could support infantry.

@honkhonk8009

2 жыл бұрын

@@su-25frogfoot74 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley#:~:text=8%20External%20links-,Design,and%20entered%20production%20in%201981. The wiki page says they were made largely in response to the Soviets BMP lineup. The russian translation of BMP, is litterally Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Boyevaya Mashina Pyekhoty This was 1960's Russia, not 1980's. 60's era soviets were surprisingly smart, and the USSR was an actual competitor to the west during that time. 70's was when the country basically became a shithole lol

@su-25frogfoot74

2 жыл бұрын

@@honkhonk8009 This might be the first time I've been proven wrong on the topic of the military

Wow, Obj. 195 looked very menacing with that 152mm, not to mention the autocannon. If it had an ATGM launcher you could have everything in 1 vehicle except for a troop carrier. Maybe it would have been too expensive alltogether and T14 is a revisioned optimal version?

@SchizaMan

2 жыл бұрын

It's capable fire ATGM through barrel.

Obviously no, USSR had plenty of prototypes most people can't recognize.

Just like people say AK-47 is a copy of Stg44, they just can't admit Russia discovered something good, and used it as a n INSPIRATION (big difference from copying something. By that logic are all weapons just copies).

The T-14 isn’t a copy of the M1TTP. This is just a garden variety case of two people solving the same problem and coming up with similar designs due to a limited number of practically viable solutions. If anybody wants to know what that looks like on a large scale take a look at modern semi automatic pistols. Apart from cosmetic differences they all work on a small set of mechanisms that have been around for such a long time that the patents have long since expired.

@Channel-sp3fp

Жыл бұрын

It is a copy of the M1TTP with the design philosophy of the T-74 and T-95 kept in mind. This is no different than the Russians saying the AK-47 is not a copy of the StG-44 and earlier models. They do not admit they took inspiration from the gun when designing the SR-44 based on the StG-44. The SR-44 became the AK-47, they ignore this by claiming the StG-44 was not the world's first assault rifle by pointing to the Fedorov Avtomat and forgetting about the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, and other such designs.

Why i think that the redeffect already discuss about this topic before

Hi Red, you recently made a video talking about the gaijin grind fest. If you will be making other such videos, please check GHPC

Saying T14 is direct copy of TTB, is like saying AK is direct copy of Sturmgewher. People like that spend eternity in hell trying to build a tilt-locking bolt rifle with AK parts

Most likely the M1TTB was just to see if they could do it and what would it be good for. Not intended for mass production. Similar, but in basis only to the T-14.

The T-14’s biggest similarity to the M1TTB is that it will never go into full production

The thing they do have in common is that both never made it to mass production

remembers me of : AK-47 is Copy of StG44

which tank is most dangerous for the newest US Abrams and other western tanks ???

Vou mandar esse vídeo para o Chris cappy 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The more I look at the american tank it looks like concept one B small low turret with no weak spot kinda crazy

i find it funny that the object 299 looks a lot like the American TCM AGS.

@adrianotaylor7230

2 жыл бұрын

the object 299 chassis was based on the bmp family of ifv which was made in the 60

is the Mig-25 Foxbat a copy of the A-5 Vigilante ?

More please.

@7:28 Yes we'd like that!

Wait...what? I have never even heard of the M1TTB

So its a case of same or similar results but different ways of obtaining it it.

meanwhile, Chally 1 unmanned turreted version is laughing....

6:03 it looks like AMX-40 V;

I would rather say that M1TTB got some inspiration from the Swedish strv103 that has its crew in the hull and has an outerloader and from Soviet projects from the 70:s

This is a concept that cannot really be copied, I mean, just imagine crewless turret, complete autoloading system, pretty much everyone's dream, just press button to shoot. You can't really say they "copied", maybe inspired, but it really depends if the idea was fetched by someone who was inspired or even knew about such tank. Idea as such is old as fuck, it always comes down to costs and technology.

I just hope next gen Russian mbt will be inspired by the apocalypse tank of C&C

Please do military helicopter 🙏🙏🙏