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@user-op8fg3ny3j

Жыл бұрын

Hey man! Just got recommended your gem of a channel through this video. I think the algorithm likes this new type of thumbnail with a blueprint design over your older photographic ones 🤔

@wolfganggugelweith8760

Жыл бұрын

The turret of the Austrian 🇦🇹 Jagdpanzer „Kürassier“ was similar to the AMX. I had the opportunity to shoot with it‘s 10,5 cm cannon. Greetings from Linz 🇦🇹 Austria 😎👍🐺 Europe!

@smgdfcmfah

Жыл бұрын

Another issue with the oscillating turret is wear and tear. Having the large, heavy gun and loader etc. so far from the turret ring puts a LOT of extra stress on the ring when driving on broken ground just due to simple leverage. I think the oscillating turret has enough benefits to be very useful in certain situations, but it becomes a specialty vehicle in a world that REALLY tries to minimize variation. In WW2, every nation had dozens and dozens of different vehicles (for various reasons) but these days militaries try to really minimize the number of different frames and engines and guns. Supply and support become far easier when you do this.

@bastiaan7777777

8 ай бұрын

those "flim type"" images left and right are really flickering and add nothing.

@tonyennis1787

5 ай бұрын

Is there any issue with a small shell raising a burr that prevents elevation changes?

I've heard it said that French engineers rarely imitate other countries... and other countries rarely imitate them. They do their own thing for better and worse and there tends to be a very unique flavor to french military equipment.

@bluestonebest1893

Жыл бұрын

you are right, we try other designs to see if it would work better because the design of others might have problems too.

@M.G.S_

Жыл бұрын

Indeed being unique does not mean that you are ill equipped. It means that you are cleverer

@CorePathway

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like Saab to me 😂

@simonbarabash2151

Жыл бұрын

@@M.G.S_ Not really, that's my point. Sometimes it means you get innovations ahead of their time (like the Renault F1), and sometimes you get completely unusable crap (like the Chauchat). If you average it out, france is not better or worse, they're just different.

@sirrathersplendid4825

Жыл бұрын

@@simonbarabash2151 - The Renault FT-17 was widely imitated. Indeed, it was the basis for pretty well all tank design that followed. Also, the Panhard 178 armoured car seems to have spawned a number of near copies.

French post war tanks are peak transitional period aesthetics, Amx-50's just look so cool and futuristic for the time

@Aengrod

Жыл бұрын

But can it work in reverse? Just in case german panzers cross the border again.

@tetsuoak4785

Жыл бұрын

Merci, cher ami esthète ! Vive la France 👍🇨🇵 ❤️

@sabahameer2620

Жыл бұрын

The ARL44 also looked so futuristic.

@jesuizanmich

Жыл бұрын

​@@sabahameer2620 man, I really like the ARL 44, but of all the post-war French tanks to mention, I'd say the ARL 44 is actually iconic for being rather old-fashioned than futuristic. The French had so many futuristic designs on the way, but the ARL 44 was not one. It was merely a way to reactivate their tank industry after the war. Still, they look so cool, even if outdated. They made very few of them, which is a sensible choice, but I would have liked to see more of them in museums. My rationale for this: The hull looks just like a B1 flipped upside down. The tracks are in fact from the B1. The entire suspension is something you'd expect from the very first WW1 tanks such as the Mark I, with small road wheels and vertical coil springs (when everyone was moving towards torsion-bar suspensions at the time). The engine was underpowered and this suspension limited the speed to 30kmph--an unpopular choice in an era of high availability of HEAT (Leo1 and AMX30 would later favour mobility over armour). The turret is actually decent and the most modern-looking thing on the tank, but not futuristic or modern even for WW2 standards. Considering the Centurion and the initial production of the T-54 had been adopted 3 years before the ARL-44, the turret design is not revolutionary. It was, in fact, a makeshift solution. They were built from welded plates recovered from the Dunkerque battleship wreck. The armour and armament, however, were actually pretty good, though not really useful at the time (hence their move towards lighter armoured vehicles until the LeClerc). The 90mm gun is probably the best part, better than the Panther's from their tests, and likely had better performance than the Russian D-10T on the T-54 and the American M3 (T15) on the Pershing (1000m/s vs 895 m/s and 975 m/s), though probably worse than the British 20-pounder (1,020 m/s). However, note that we are comparing the ARL 44 (classified a heavy tank at 50 tons) to only medium tanks (30 ~ 40 tons). The 120mm frontal plate angled at 45 degrees (effectively 170mm) also looks really nice and would be the most armour on any French tank until the LeClerc. However, consider that the T-54 had already been adopted by then (the hull is even older: the T-44-100 had 120mm hull at 60 degrees, effectively 240mm) and had better power-to-weight, weighed 20 tons less, and had better turret armour, 200mm+ vs 110mm. I'd give it to you that the ARL 44 actually looks "retro-futuristic". Like some steampunk anachronistic alt-history tank. And that's because it kinda is exactly that. After the liberation of France, they wanted to quickly restart tank production. They chose a so-called "char de transition" (transitional tank) to fill that gap. Their starting point was the Char B1 (to reuse old stocks of components) and whatever they had designed so far for the G1 and the FCM F1. So they were basically working with 1920s stuff; hence anachronistic: it's like a what if 1920s tanks were inspired by the Panther. They could have gone for a modern suspension system (and maybe made the ARL 44 a competitive design for late 1940s), but they would have had to use disgusting foreign designs that couldn't make use of their sweet 1920s obsolete stock.

@manager7186

Жыл бұрын

@@jesuizanmich 🤓🤓

I think an explanation on how tank designs and roles changed during WW2 or even in the 20-21st century would be interesting to see

@aspielm759

Жыл бұрын

Especially how the introduction of Anti-Tank missiles caused different militaries to rethink or look at armored warfare in a different perspective.

@wogelson

Жыл бұрын

@@aspielm759 yeah like the British

@aspielm759

Жыл бұрын

@@wogelson Oh defintley the British. I still cling to that joke lazerpig made about the british. Throughout the 20th centry they kept on trying to wallce and gromit themsleves through wars.

@thatisamazing912

Жыл бұрын

No, i wouldn't like that.

@Mr539forgotten

Жыл бұрын

I can give you an 'in a nutshell' version of that. When tanks first came about, they were an evolution of cavalry (as in horses) and so their main mode of use was to travel in pack and clear the way through a battlefield. This roughly covers WWI and WWII. Tanks, largely, fell out of favour during the Vietnam war due to the dense nature of the jungle, which is where APC's got their start. As we evolve beyond Vietnam and come back to more open space in battlefields, tanks fell into favour again. This would be the desert wars. The change however was the rapid sword and shield arms race between anti-tank weapons and tank defences like those grid mesh RPG detonation shields and those defensive chaff launching things. The mode of use changed from leading the charge, to 'run and gun' artillery support. Of course, as well as a useage change with tanks, there was also a significant design change from a heavily armoured vehicle (relatively speaking) to a lighter armoured vehicle with more agility. This modern use case saw tanks used, tactically, as platoon support weapons which would hide behind terrain features and move quickly in order to secure their safety, whilst providing fire power from quite some distance, kind of like a mortar. In the most recent evolutions of war, i.e. urban combat, tanks have tactically become almost worthless. Not entirely, but almost. In patrols, tanks serve to act as a distraction and a magnet for enemy fire, predominantly. Tanks in modern urban warfare have lots of weaknesses and very few benefits. Their armour is only good for small arms fire, they're slower than a humvee or APC, they're still susceptible to IED attack and an urban environment provides ample cover and concealment to coordinate an attack on a tank with anti-tank weapons (RPG's etc). There's obviously a psychological component to patrolling the streets with a tank in company, or having 2 tanks come and get you for casevac, but tactically speaking, the main gun does not provide significant benefits and there isn't a huge tactical advantage to tanks... In the current battlefield. That could change though.

4:18 Gotta point out, modern tank sights aren't enslaved to the gun, it can stay on target when the gun is away while the loader is doing his or its job

@tricosteryl

Жыл бұрын

Yes but mechanic laws just Say that it wont return exactly at initial position. There is Always a difference and this Comes to be an issue with the distance of the target. Remember that in practice, the precision of the shot at 2000m is about 4m.

@Ruhrpottpatriot

Жыл бұрын

@@tricosteryl Yeah, but that isn't an issue as just firing the gun will change the position of the gun at least as much as bringing it to the index position and then back to firing position. Recoil dampeners aren't perfect as well.

@tricosteryl

Жыл бұрын

@Retired Bore currently working as an engineer I confirm returning at the same position id impossible. It is mechanical fact. And the precision required hère is very high, so this may be satisfacting if the target is really close, but we dont anticipate that a tank fight will be like in wot.

@tricosteryl

Жыл бұрын

@Retired Bore the story is that terrain performance is Always worse than theory

@smgdfcmfah

Жыл бұрын

@@Ruhrpottpatriot Sure but changing one thing is going to affect accuracy, doing two is going to affect it more (likely by the square - not just the sum of the two things). It's like saying "jump up and land in exactly the same place you're standing now". Well, the act of jumping will slightly change where you end up, but running around in a circle before you you jump will change it a LOT more. Point is, don't compound the problem.

Another good one, well done! Thinking of the S tank, oscillating the entire vehicle Swedish engineers solved the auto loader issues by mounting the gun rigidly to the chassis thereby eliminating alignment problems. Maybe an idea for a future film? I’m always looking forward to your films, keep ‘em coming! 👍

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil :)

@quakethedoombringer

Жыл бұрын

You mean the cheese wedge Strv 103 ?

@a2e5

Жыл бұрын

@@quakethedoombringer totally a MBT!

@garlicbreadstick404

Жыл бұрын

@@quakethedoombringer the master of aerodynamics

@MadSwede87

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for calling it a tank and not something it wasn't

Considering that many new tanks are moving to unmanned turrets and either choosing or being forced (on account of the weight of 120mm+ shells) to move to autoloaders there may be a chance of oscillating turrets making a comeback

@llamatronian101

Жыл бұрын

That same weight and size of the ammo works against it though. Moving all of the ammo to elevate or depress the gun is more work, and the bustle size gets in the way more too. It will be interesting to see where the competing ideas end up.

@JWQweqOPDH

Жыл бұрын

@@llamatronian101 While not on a tank, an oscillating turret for a 155mm gun has been built and used. It is the Swedish Bandkanon I. If an oscillating turret is mounted at the very rear of the vehicle, then excellent elevation angles are achievable over the frontal firing arc. The downside is that any rear mounted turret struggles with gun depression in the frontal firing arc. For the Bandkanon I, depression was deemed unnecessary.

@jl6569

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if that’s really the bottleneck or reason for the disappearance of autoloading oscillating turrets . The primary reason for them was the difficulty in loading the gun at angles above or below 0. With modern technology and modern fire control systems tanks can fire the gun depressed, move the gun to a neutral position, reload, and return to the original position. All while keeping the gunners sight on target the whole time. There are also plenty of vehicles and spgs with guns that are bigger than 120mm that are hand loaded or assisted hand-loaded. Not saying your prediction is wrong but having people in the turret and large shells were not the reason for oscillating turrets disappearing. So I don’t think these factors matter either way.

@allstarwoo4

Жыл бұрын

I kind of agree. The problem is if the terrain is already that hilly you might be better off with artillery style systems with a tank for line of sight protection.

@BlackHawk21ification

Жыл бұрын

​@@jl6569 What are you saying ? oscillating turret didn't have any difficulties with auto loaders (that's why all oscillating turret had an autoloader) it is the conventional turret that has problems since the gun is independant and when angled the autoloader couldn't load proprely where as in oscillating turrets the gun, autoloader and upper part of the turret were all fixed together and the alignement between the breach and loader always neutral.

Amx13 had a "rubber" skirt around the joint between the 2 turret parts, making it NBC protected accordingly to standards of its time. But this was vulnerable and also had to be replaced frequently because of Wear.

Given that unmanned turrets seems to be the future it's quite likely it will become default design.

@zzaronn

Жыл бұрын

we could probabaly make it adaptable, having the ability to switch from a big gun to a twin 30mm or some AA missile launcher

@juanordonezgalban2278

Жыл бұрын

A bolt on turret with gun + autoloader + optics that you can put on top of just about anything seems like a good idea to me.

@qlum

Жыл бұрын

It still increases the profile of the tank by quite a lot which is a significant downside.

@evo3s75

Жыл бұрын

Not really. It is only likely if it's with a smaller gun, if you use such an oscillating turret you'll end up with a higher profile. Together with the fact that it will strain the motors more to pivot the turret up/down with all the ammo and equipment And if it's a smaller gun or autocannon it will be mounted in a different sort of turret which would be smaller

@AnonD38

Жыл бұрын

@@qlum I‘d say the massive increase in gun depression makes up for that. You can have your hull with the crew hide safely behind a hill while only your automated gun turret with blowout panels is visible. If the turret is designed to be modular you could simply put a new turret on and send your tank back into the fight.

AMX 13 are some of the prettiest tanks ever made

Another big issue probably also is the fact that its quite difficult to stabilize the entire turret and not just the gun

@bex3495

Жыл бұрын

and you can't put much armor on oscillating turrets, because if the armor is too heavy it will need more power to move the actual turret, that is the main reason why you dont see MBT with oscillating turrets. a tank needs at least be capable to resist being hit on the front armor. oscilating turrets are VERY easy to penetrate.

@Primarkka

Жыл бұрын

A poorly balanced gun has the same issue. I doubt that stabilization of an entire turret is any harder if it's well balanced.

@domschra

Жыл бұрын

@@Primarkka no. A gun a) is MUCH less heavy than for example the turret of an amx50, b) even if it was similar, the mechanism is completely different, the gun is horizontally fixed in the turret, there is much more space in there. Compare that to oscillation whwre the turret moves, its cramped as fuck

@pyro1047

Жыл бұрын

Even stabilizing just a gun is quite difficult, that's why most tanks guns aren't even 100% stabilized. They're "mostly" stabilized but still have a bit of sway, with the FCS programmed to fire the gun when the sway lines up with the aim point. Naval guns, at least in WWII, work the same way too. Whenever the plotting or central fire control room pulls the trigger, the ships FCS will wait until the ships rolls is level before firing all the guns.

@peterheinzo515

Жыл бұрын

i could imagine that it gets easier to balance since you can counterweigh the barrel with the autoloader and shells

Excellent video as usual. If I'm not mistaken the French Army was experimenting with oscillating turrets even before WW2. The Panhard EBR did not enter production till after WW2, but was in the design phase before the war. The Panhard 201 might be another example.

Excellent video, I only vaguely understood ocelating turrets before this and know I see why it was such a interesting and clever idea

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

So glad to hear this!

Excellent video, however, quick note about aiming the gun away from the target after firing. most modern tanks are capable of delinking the sight from the end of the gun tube. example, the M1 Abrams' loader has a switch he can flip. Doing so will move the gun to a more favorable position to reload(if the gun is at max depression the breach block is near the roof of the turret), at the same time delinking the gun tube with the gunner's sight. During loading the gunner can continue to track the target due to ballistic computer being linked to the optic and not the gun. When loading is done the switch can be flipped off for the gun tube to relink with optic. with powered elevation the gun tube moving from index position to where the sight is pointed takes a second at most. so having the gun index is not as significant of an issue as stated in the video.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely - modern systems make it a more trivial issue. Back in the day it was more of a concern when the sight couldn't be delinked - for early autoloaders like the IS-7 it was much more of a disadvantage and the gunner had to manually relay the gun I believe. Maybe I should've made that distinction more clear! Glad you enjoyed the video.

I liked how clearly you explained this. I had heard about it for years but was never quite sure what is was.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate that Joe

The Kürassier tank of Austria is also a notable oscillating turret tank still in use. They have the same turret as the AMX 13 and look just as iconic

@jeandelacroix6726

Жыл бұрын

The first few turrets were from the same manufacturer (Fives Lille) and the manufacturer sent engineers to help set lines in Austria for local production of the local variant

@Darkstar.....

Жыл бұрын

Are they sending them to ukraine? No? Then stick a sock in it. Pointless answer. Would make the russian tanks look viable.

The gap in the oscilating turrets actually might not be an issue nowadays, if your able to control the turret remotely, while the crew is actually in a safe sealed off in another part of the tank.

The big benefit of oscillating turrets is with full stabilisation, which means the crew gets fully stabilised with the gun, it also makes automatic loading a lot simpler. But it means a lot more decisions need to be made in the design phase.

The oscillating turret's carriage is basically the same design as has been used for artillery for many years; the older artillery gun barrels had trunnions (pivot pins that would allow for gun or howitzer elevation & depression) that would attach directly to a cradle mounted on the gun carriage.

I always loved French tanks, this design of turrets is so unique and lovely

We can always make modern oscillating turrets with electric motors, and add ERA, so there is still improvement and hope in the future for this to come back. :) Thanks for the video.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

That would be cool! My pleasure

amazing vid as always and very nice blueprint style drawings!

4:20 Every modern tank, even the ones without autoloaders, have their guns move to a loading position after each shot. It doesn't matter at all, because the sights are desynchronized from the gun orientation.

@nopenopeson1097

Жыл бұрын

This is mostly done in peacetime, to help the loader.

I appreciate your concise explanation of the turret. Even more your equipment video clips are actually indicative of your topic. So many posters would show some military vehicles and action scenes that have nothing to do with the actual topic.

An excellent presentation with excellent graphics and narrative. Clear, to the point, and with a logical flow. Many thanks.

Great quality content! Keep it up

Thanks for making this video. It was really cool to learn. Keep up the great work!

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

This seems similar to one of my suggestions... Great video as always, keep it up!

Exactly what I wanted. To the point and informative. No bloat and good pacing. Good job!

Excellent presentation. Also a perfect length video without repetition of filler 👍

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

One of the most clear and cogent explanations of the whole oscillating turret system in relation to the general history of MBT development I’ve ever heard, much less read. Congratulations. You must be a professional teacher in the brick and mortar world.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow thank you very much Gary. Not a teacher yet haha!

Great explanation ! Thank you so much.

With robotics and AI and autonomous vehicles this tank will probably be the most popular design in the future

Thx for the video!

Great video , again 👍🏿

This is channel's content is on par with million subscriber channels, really good quality content and very well explained, you earned a new sub bro

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate that - here's to hoping!

i like to think that another reason for the discontinuation of oscillating turrets is that one of the reasons for their creation is to have an autoloading mechanism and "magazine" that wouldnt fit in the smaller turrets and turret rings that were common in tanks from WW2 and prior, but afterwards, they decided that this whole mechanism can instead just be fit in a conventional turret large enough, and tanks from 1950 onwards usually have much larger turrets compared to their hull when compared to WW2 and prior tanks.

Interesting and fascinating. I had no idea of the technology. Thanks for that

With the increasing interest in unmanned turrets, I think this kind of turret would came back in popularity. The crews are safe in a highly armored compartment in the hull, the turret is not even manned so you could get away with even bigger guns like how the M1128 did it and have the option of swapping out new turrets in the field by replacing the upper turret with something like a missile battery for AA duty, auto cannons, laser weaponry, etc while still keeping the lower turret (collar). The problem I can think of with this design is that it is very difficult to reload new ammo into the bustle in the field without exposing the crew, so we could also use an ammo carrier similar to how the K9 howitzer has its own dedicated reloading vehicle based on the same chassis. So a modern oscillating turreted tank, with full NBC protection, smaller hull and turret as well as a bigger gun and reloadable bustle, very interesting concept indeed.

New sub now. I was fascinated hooked and enjoyed this video

Great video! very educational, oscillating turrets have always been one of my favorites

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Hannah!

Excellent video, thank you. I have always had a soft spot for the AMX-13

Such a great video thanks alot for making this

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Also in the USA there was an experimental light airborne tank, the T92, it almost got in service, but there were some concerns about it's flexibility (it wasn't amphibian), so it was rejected.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

I’ve a video on the T92! It occupies that grey area of sort of being an oscillating turret.

surprised this channel doesn't have more subs great job

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Haha I'm working on it! Thanks very much.

Love the channel.

Isn't a main reason the design was mostly dropped that it's very difficult / impossible to stabilize a classic oscillating turret. (the m1128 does not carry crew and armor in such a use case it might be a different thing but that is also very far from a classical turret) NBC protection is usually realized by overpressure inside the hull and brush seals are a thing. (The Tornado RB199 engine already used those as far as I know for a much more challenging use case) Also the turret roof can be lower and the overall turret all together smaller giving a smaller target area. Another possible downside (pure speculation) is that it's much more difficult to put very heavy armor into a oscillating design since much more of the weight needs to be lifted and moved.

@evo3s75

Жыл бұрын

That and the weight would strain the motors needed to pivot the turret up and down For sure when loaded with ammo and everything

@KuK137

Жыл бұрын

Nah, it's actually far easier to put armor on because tiny turret means less armor volume. T-14 Armata has ridiculous armor levels precisely because turret is unmanned.

@KuK137

Жыл бұрын

@@evo3s75 Why would it strain anything? Properly designed oscillator has ammo in the rear balancing weight of the gun in front, making pivot incredibly easy, like a seesaw...

@evo3s75

Жыл бұрын

@@KuK137 it would still strain the motors, it can be as balanced as you want but the motors would still be strained by having to hold back the weight of the turret moving up and down. And it is in general not a good idea since your vertical drives are open and exposed, the collar doesn't provide enough protection

@user-op8fg3ny3j

Жыл бұрын

@@evo3s75 if you have an auto loader and blow out panels, then is there still a need to heavily armour the turret?

Great Info! Very Interesting! Oscillating turrets are so cool looking 😮

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for the video!

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Very interesting and insightful video. Although someone correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve heard that Oscillating Turrets tend to be more difficult to stabilise than conventional turrets, reducing fire on the move capability. Can’t remember where I heard this but seems reasonable given the greater amount of mass the fire control system has to keep stable.

@khaelamensha3624

Жыл бұрын

It may explain why the amx 50 never went in production. Amx 13 and Panhard were used for asymmetric wars and were perfect to have a lot of punch without having a MBT. This was the French school, that you retrieve in the AMX 10RCas it packs the same caliber as the MBT of its time but in a fast 14 tons vehicle,.

@KuK137

Жыл бұрын

Mass means nothing, though. Properly designed oscillator has ammo in the rear balancing weight of the gun in front, making pivot incredibly easy, like a seesaw...

@xiphosura413

Жыл бұрын

@@KuK137 It indeed balances well (which provides good passive stability) but mass doesn't mean nothing, it means greater inertia. Any active stabilization system still needs to contend with much higher inertia than if it was operating on just the gun alone. It will be harder to make the small but relatively rapid adjustments required for high precision.

@nightshade4873

Жыл бұрын

oscillating turrets have greater mass and much more of a pain to stabilize, not only that, you'd have very little internal space (even with AMX 50) due to the hemispheres that covers the bottom part of the upper turret. stabilization on an oscillating turret would have to add a big enough motor to counteract the intertia of the heavy upper turret just to chase the gunsight lay, even worse if the rear bustle autoloader rack is empty as now that would have to be compensated for.

another banger! keep it up

I understand too expensive for the striker, but I feel like an aggressive positive pressure air filtration system would sufficiently protect the crew with air just being forced out around the less sealed turret areas, or am I missing something?

Good video as always, can you make a video on the AMX-50? since you have one on the M103 and the Conqueror

@ar0568

Жыл бұрын

Which amx50 though? There was a ton of different prototypes. Unless you mean the entire project itself

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Could be done! It’s a very interesting project.

In an earlier life one of my clients business was making ballbearings and races for tank turrets. Some badly designed turrets could eat ballbearings and races after a few minutes of tanks field use. A few hours of traintransport and the races and seals are toast from the vibration. A fully functional tank is a rare beast. As we know see - a drone equipped spread out infantry force and heavy precision artillert is again ruling the battlefields. It's the phalanx again.

@AdamantLightLP

Жыл бұрын

They are already working on very good anti-drone equipment. Tanks will still be necessary in combat

Great video. Cheers

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Awesome and informative.

Excellent rundown which covers everything. The oscillating turret could be a good design for a 155 mm mobile artillery gun but to get the elevation needed would require the turret to be mounted right at the rear leaving no room for the auto loader and ammo. Oh well. My topic suggestion would for the Stug type casemate gun AFV, the pros and cons for a modern version..

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks :) the StuG will appear very soon...

Very good video. I love the look of Oscillating turret

This is insightful and descriptive commentary but here is a challenge to your final evaluation: Next generation tanks like the Abrams X are experimenting with moving the crew compartment out of the turret and into the hull. (not to mention the uncrewed vehicles, but I'll leave that aside) Either case might appear to undermine the critical importance you're placing on NBC sealing. Perhaps oscillating turrets will make a comeback. And monocles why not.

Are you psychic? I was just looking into the American oscillating turreted-tanks (T54, T57, T69) Keep knocking it out of the park man.

Excellent explanation, thank you

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

Very good Video. I wish I had your Illustration skills :)

Awesome Video! You explained very well

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very well explained, keep going

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

I was in the Dutch army in 1977 and they still had this AMX 13 but with a standard 120mm Nato gun. It was forbidden to shoot with the gun at 90 degrees on the chassis as the whole tank could roll over because of the recoil. Some tank! They where faced-out after a few years for the Leopard. Also they where notorious unrelaible engine wise.

Sealing a tank turret may be difficult, but never impossible. Similarly, it is "impossible" to seal ships and space suits, or submarines that open flaps to launch torpedoes in deep water.

I bet as drone technology improves, we might actually see oscillating turrets take off again in fully remote vehicles. It seems like it would be perfect for an automated system. Small, compact, mobile. And having a remote crew removes the turret's primary drawback.

I feel like the oscillating turret could make its comeback in unmanned ground vehicles. You could make the whole vehicle smaller and put a 30mm gun in the oscillating turret and it could support infantry in urban environments.

This kind of turret honestly sounds like something you'd affix to the back of a mecha. That whole "futuristice feel" to the oscillating turrets really lends itself to that visage.

Hold on, you mentioned that it has a major flaw of being more vulnerable to NBC’s. But what if you make one with autoloaders which I believe means that it is unmanned and then put the crew in a separate airtight part of the tank, should it not be the same as sealing a regular tank in terms of sealing the crew in? Having the oscillating turret and the crew in separate parts of the tank should resolve this major flaw, right?

@Argosh

Жыл бұрын

That's precisely how modern systems do it. The Puma IFV, despite its struggles in recent exercises, has a single one piece cabin with the turret just sitting on top. And while "struggle" may be a nice way to describe the absolute shitshow that happened in that maneuver late 22 I'm confident KMW will get it sorted. It is a sensible prediction that turrets will not continue to have weapons manually operated indefinitely. There are just too many gains to be had by sealing the turret off from the crew.

@xiphosura413

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what the end of the video talks about with the M1128 :)

the egyptians had a combination of m4 sherman and amh-13 turret and it seems that due to the rear of the M-4 being tilted, they had no problem with the oscillation of the turret although they could do with lowering the rear of the tank with hydraulics

I definitely can see this having used in large scale mobile artillery with auto loaders. It wouldn’t have worries like NBC like the striker. However it wouldn’t need to worry about insane fire-rate as it’s purpose is really big gun, which would have uses in specialty ammo. Something an army can pull up to deal with very specific issues like heavily fortified and dug in bunkers that it’s destruction is vital, but air support is unavailable due to various potential issues. Basically a couple tanks for big problems.

@abaddon7558

Жыл бұрын

look at the sweedish SPG bandkanon ;)

Best explanation I've seen of this concept in a very neat and concise manner. Interestingly there's a Belgian company in preliminary talks to sell some old SK-105s - an Austrian light tank that uses the exact same turret as the AMX-13 - to Ukraine. Would be quite a plot twist to see the oscillating turret on a 21st century battlefield, but with the ability to fire twelve 105mm rounds per minute, plus very good mobility and thermal gunner optics it could end up being quite useful to Ukraine, and they'd be very cheap so all 112 in storage could be easily bought. It would depend on neutral Austria's approval though, unfortunately.

@evo3s75

Жыл бұрын

Nice that it has 12 rpm but how long can it sustain that? Yea.. not long, it's only 12 rounds, and I doubt it would do much against Russian armor, maybe older soviet armor like T-64 and T-72A (or light vehicles like BTR/BMP/etc) , but those are fielded by the Ukrainians themselves Next to that, the Russian mbt's have a auto-loader which has 20 something rounds. And when the auto-loader is empty they can reload it from inside, whereas with the SK-105 you would have to leave the vehicle and load it from the outside. The thermals may be nice, but if these are the older SK-105's it won't help much since the gun is unstabilized, and every Russian vehicle has a stabilizer The SK-105 is also pretty slow despite being lightly armoured and it also has thin tracks which isn't going to be pretty with the Ukrainian mud They could better send parts or other vehicles tbh

@shaddaboop7998

Жыл бұрын

@@evo3s75 Top speed of 70kph, upwards of 360mm of RHA penetration at close range. The cannon is similar to the one used on the AMX-10RC provided to Ukraine. They wouldn't be taking on MBTs (well, they could actually destroy a T-62, frontally) but I feel they could be genuinely useful for hit-and-run, which is an art the Ukrainians have perfected with light vehicles like Humvees and Bushmasters so far. It's not meant to be fired on the move. You quickly nip to a good firing position, lay twelve rounds into the enemy before they know what's going on, and then run away. Defensively you would dig in ahead of time and then run away when things get hairy. Light tank tactics, still relevant today. With the state of the Russian army we're seeing older equipment become more and more viable for Ukraine. And with the asking price and quantity of these SK-105s I see little reason not to grab them, really.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Would definitely be interesting to see SK-105s in action.

I've just saw this channel, it's interesting, I'll wait for a video on italian tanks

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video! Question: is this “cloth” you sometimes see on the around the barrel (like at some centurions or the M48) also a NBC protection?

@juusolatva

Жыл бұрын

I think those are just dust covers.

@thhseeking

Жыл бұрын

Thermal shroud?

@LukeBunyip

Жыл бұрын

What @thhseeking said; it's a thermal shroud. It enables a barrel to equally dissipate the heat generated by the firing of numerous rounds. Without it the barrel could warp, and thus the gun would lose accuracy.

Another thing too is it can be made alot more easier, i.e casts and what not, bigger casts are harder to design so breaking it up into 2 smaller casts makes it easier to cast, a little harder to put together but its just better from a manufacturing standpoint

Next video idea: American (Airborne) Light Tanks. Or the attempted projects to make one aside from Sheridan. I've seen a lot of fictional in video games (read: Command and Conquer Generals): Coyote Tank from Contra 009, Acolyte Tank from ROTR, and War Doge from Untitled.

Great video. Could you please do one about smooth bore v rifle on tanks. Thank you.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Great Idea actually!

With the rise of unmanned turrets in recent years, it might be worth taking another look at this concept.

Well if I think about it, armored vehicles of my country's army kind of have oscilating turrets, but like, they are 30mm canons, so its not much a deal, but the mechanism is mounted on top of crew compartment on like 60 cm ring (I don't know exact measures, except the caliber) and everything (the gun itself, magazine, loading mechanism, machine gun, all sensors, and even rocket launcher) is mounted on the upper part of the movement, completely controlled by motors from down below in the vehicle. The vehicle is KBVP Pandur 2 if you want to look at it :D

I don’t find oscillating turrets that weird as you said at the start of the video. I actually like the sleek design and like to draw these more then other turrets.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Oh I like them too! But they’re certainly uncommon.

I think it is a thing that may be used a lot in eventual semi-autonomous tanks

Man I loved playing these on world of tanks back in the day when it was still pretty good.

Nice videos of things I did not know I wanted to know.. I just keep clicking the next one, so you're doing something right I guess 😏 Keep up the good work man ✊🏼

I've always been intrigued by these turrets. Thanks for the education! How did they handle recoil if the gun was rigidly mounted to the upper turret?

@hermes_0440

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know it wasn’t "bolted" to the turret but it had all the normal stuff of a tank-barrel except a pivot point

@RedWrenchFilms We switched from NBC to the CBRN acronym some time ago.

4:55 some designers and I even think the idea is pretty cool. would include a tarp like material that would stretch between both turret pieces to seal it from NBC threats while not impacting the apression or depression

Great video

Oscillating turrets seem popular in modern self propelled howitzers with autoloaders. I’m thinking in particular of the Swedish Archer system recently purchased by the UK.

5:00 FYI, the acronym NBC was changed to CBRNE in the 2000s, at least in the USA. It stands for Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and (High-Yield) Explosive.

I think this turret could still possibly have used if they're Unmanned like the Mobile Gun System. Even if they are complex I still think they could be used to have a much higher arc of fire for space combat.

Nice and clear video, good job. The tank designers sure had ideas, good or bad but the old rusted army sleeping on WW1 laurels didnt saw the german comming, and neither did they understood how a tank should be used (can also blame the Belgians to be sleeping on their neutrality and had poorly defended their side while not wanting the Maginot at their border). A certain Charles de Gaule wrote books on the use of tanks in movement warfare, even published them... and it is said that Rommel got a hand on them. Quite ironic to know that his recommendations were the basis of the Blitzkrieg.

Great vid! Definitely an interesting experiment even if not ultimately successful.

@RedWrenchFilms

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

4:19 On modern MBTs, your Gun Sight still stays on the Target even if the Gun moves up/down so that the autoloader can load it (Also moves up on Tanks like the Leopard 2s so that the Loader can more comfortably load it), so there is no real disadvantage of your gun moving up or down, except perhaps 1sec delay of the gun moving down into firing Position again

Can you explain the T-92 light tank.

Post war french tanks are just so cool looking, I love these turrets, and while it's not stabilized and comes with many other disadvantages, it's still my favorite type of turret

Very interesting video. I wonder most how this will progress in the future. Using the Isrealian idea of protecting the crew first then it would mean that this design would be viable. Have crew in the lower protected body, only gun in danger zone. Use software and autoloader to reload the gun after firing and the software te return to the previous firing position. This might result in a fast tank assault capability using terain/buildings as cover without sacrificing crew. Although i know my idea is not perfect, im wondering how it might progress into the next technolgy area.

@RedWrenchFilms

9 ай бұрын

That’s exactly how the M1TTB and the T14 Armata work! Remotely operated turrets.

@basvs3906

9 ай бұрын

@@RedWrenchFilms I dont think remotly, im thinking of an experienced crew on stage(in the tank) that in most conditions would only lose their turret. Return for repairs and get a fully functioning tank and crew back in action again! I still believe that humans are best equiped for moderate warfare, and allowing them freedom on the battlefield with less risk of losing an experienced crew is worth more than gold.

Oscillating turret with an Armata style crew capsule would be an amazing design. Though it would have moving parts and sophisticated electronics which is a drawback in any tank

In modern times, when you can look around through wires and not need direct means to do so, like periscope, oscillated turret can be really good idea, combined with proper autoloader. I think this is the future, not in next generation, but one after those.

@sisigs4820

7 ай бұрын

Not to mention the whole sealing the turret from chemical weapons contaminating the crew wouldn't be an issue nowadays since we can now control turrets remotely.

If their is no one in the turret, you can have a perfect seal with an oscillating turret