First, I don't feel good about this video but I do think there's some important information here. I'll summarize below. I hope you can see past my frustration and take away some good points when talking a spray foam contractor if you have it installed. Or if you run a business, maybe take away some key points. 1. Make sure your installer is bringing 1 component and 2 component foam systems. The big 2 component gun can't spray everywhere, so they need 1 component to get into tight spots. 2. Your building probably has tricky spots that are just hard to spray at all, ask how they're going to handle those. 3. Expect delays, there's tons of finicky components in spray foam set ups and they need a lot of maintenance and parts break. 4. Have a respirator and check on their work before they pack up to make sure they did everything. On the recurring question about legal action. No, I'm not going to sue them. As I mentioned at the end, I refused to pay full price to offset the material I was going to have to buy to finish the job. That doesn't cover my time.. that's just how things go. For the time it'd take me to pursue legal action, attorney fees, and assuming I wouldn't have issues getting a judgment enforced (big assumption) - I'd probably just come out losing even more money taking legal action - because it'd be even more time my business isn't operating. And little known fact.. I actually graduated from law school with honors, that's what I was doing when I started this channel. So unless you're a very successful practicing attorney, I'm not going to debate the cost/benefit of a lawsuit. I don't need a guy in a robe to tell them they messed up, I know they did and they know they did. I just wanna get back to making videos about woodworking for you guys instead of the shop build!

@johnfithian-franks8276

3 жыл бұрын

That was the worst spraying job I have ever seen, the contractor obviously does not know how to do a good job and the employees need to be educated on how to carry out their tasks.

@supperduppernate

3 жыл бұрын

See i would have put the company on blast

@smellysam

3 жыл бұрын

I have never seen this on walls in a building. However, when this gets done on ships (with fire retardant foam - expensive) they first do the hard to get spots with hand cans, then the big spray machine on top.

@zafarsyed6437

3 жыл бұрын

Awwww man. That sucks. Didn't know that you were a JD. That's awesome! Could at least send them a letter on "Caleb Harris, Esq" letterhead... without having to go through an attorney for a full on lawsuit. Maybe small claims? We hear the frustration in your voice and feel frustrated on your behalf. At the end of the day, your experience and sharing it with us is educational for our future possibilities and projects. (My dad is old school and just slam them with their voided contract; he'd then get 1 of his lawyer buddies to write 2 letters, 1st is polite letter, if not resolved within 1 week, 2nd strongly worded letter mentioning that the business' license renewal is likely to be delayed or denied. Of course a phone call from city hall or state capitol informing them of a delay made resolutions happen lightning fast. I only found out about all this stuff few years ago. Amazing what could be done in 80s, 90s, 00s. Things changed after 2012...

@CraigularjJoeWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting video and explanation, including that you where a past attorney who is not asking for legal advice in the comments… plot twist. Keep up the great videos!

I also had thin areas of spray foam insulation - I marked them with a sharpy called the company and they came back within 2 weeks and resprayed those areas and checked later if I was happy. Yes I am - heated my pole barn/shop with a 1500 watt heater to about 65oF last winter. I'd call that good

@YouCanMakeThisToo

6 ай бұрын

Glad you had a good crew

Lol, your kid dance was hilarious

Glad your shop “insulated”. Thank you for the guide on what to look for and the questions to ask.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Haha great use of quotes! I mean, it is insulated now.

I admire how you've handled the whole situation. Major props for not calling them out publicly and for just moving on.

@andrewbetances1203

3 жыл бұрын

Why? You should try to save other customers from going through what he went through

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

If someone is in my area and looking for a spray foam contractor, all they gotta do is ask. Otherwise, I don’t use my platform to shame.

We just got our metal building spray foamed (3.5" OC) and I was on site both days for the entire time. I caught several little problems (missed spots, thin spots, etc) and pointed them out. They fixed everything. Moral: be on site for every major contractor and don't write a single check until the job is done to your satisfaction. Second moral: only hire experienced and well-rated companies, even if they cost a little more. We paid about 20% more but got a great job (paid for 3.5", got up to 8" in a few spots). I'm sure I could find the oddball thin spot (nobody is perfect), but the job is done, paid for, and done well. I feel for ya, man.

This is Important to share. Doing a post work inspection where the contractor is required to show they did everything is vital. Great reminder for everyone.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Very important!

As a small business owner, and someone who has had bad contractors, I really appreciate this video. thanks for showing all the mistakes and how you attempted to resolve. And I agree that trying to have them stay around to "fix" things would make it worse or extremely uncomfortable. I would have dropped 40% off the balance owed and told them to take a hike.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was useful for you.. definitely not a fun situation.

I know this was a hard one to post, but it is also very real. I think that is very important. And I’m glad that is over. Shop is looking great!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, it really is! Super glad this is well in the rear view now.

Hey Caleb, good video. Great job sharing the issues and what to consider/look out for when contracting such work. I totally empathize with you. My new house, well its almost years 2 old, uses spay foam. Hard foam on concrete walls and soft foam on the rest. Yep, not the promised thickness and similar issues, but not nearly as bad as you are dealing with. Totally with you about people lying about their work. Your frustration is completely understandable AND i completely agree about not suing. I know you are way past this at the time of posting the video (the walls and burlap pics you shared on Instagram look AWESOME!). Praying 2021 is an awesome year for you and your family!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Sorry you had some struggles too. In the end, it was just a few hundred bucks and several hours. Most of the pain came from dashed expectations, it being done almost 3 weeks late and screwing up my work flow.. far from a show stopper or anything.

As a contractor of an insulation company, your building science is spot on. Kudos to you for knowing the errors, and better on how to correct them. Also, I'm apologizing on behalf of my trade. This is unfortunately common but entirely preventable. Sorry your experience was this negative. This was done too quickly, and should have been better, even at the lower price point.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, and not your fault. Fortunately we just made it through the crazy winter storm and the building held heat well. More than anything it's just disappointing to want to support and use a local small business and then be so sorely disappointed by the performance... totally kills the romanticism of shopping small.

Dont think I would've paid anything for that kind of a job.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I refused to pay full price, but regardless of the issues I had to fix. They still did most of the work and put thousands of dollars of product in my building.

Wow! So sorry you had to deal with such a mess! I hope everything works out for you in the end, Caleb. Cheers from Texas.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yeah, this was actually all around Thanksgiving when it happened. It's all been worked out since then fortunately. Just sadly it's hard to know if you're dealing with a good or bad contractor until it's too late. Hope some of the points let other folks know good questions to ask and how to make sure their job goes well.

I wont pretend we're long time buddies, but for as long as I've watched your channel or talked to you in DM, I'm confident this was not an easy video to upload. I had a couple minor issues with my foam contractor, but they were super attentive and resolved all my concerns, even going above and beyond on the pricing. That said, I have had my share of poor quality contractors, and I know how beyond frustrating it is. I love the message you're trying to convey here and ultimately it's "Have integrity. Have pride." Both are something I value greatly and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Sorry about your bad experience.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that. There’s a reason I didn’t even try to record it until we were literally about to cover it, and why I haven’t posted in 3 weeks.. this one was real close to not even going up. Fortunately from the comments a lot of folks still found value in it, so I’m glad I did.

I am glad I opted out of spray foam and wrapped my shop with tyvek. I also went with 2x6 outside walls and trusses, giving me R-19 on walls and ceiling.

This should be an easy conversation "I have a KZread channel. I'm going to detail the job you did. Your name will be used and if you're comfortable with your product, fantastic. If you'd like to maybe come back and retouch this, that might be a good idea. You have one week before I do this. Thanks so much! "

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I see your point, but I don’t do the shame game. Learned a long time ago (and keep seeing reminders) that while it may get some small wins here and there, it’s closes a lot of doors before you even get to them. Besides, as I said in the video. I refused to pay full price to offset my costs.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I see your point, but I don’t do the shame game. Learned a long time ago (and keep seeing reminders) that while it may get some small wins here and there, it’s closes a lot of doors before you even get to them. Besides, as I said in the video. I refused to pay full price to offset my costs.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I see your point, but I don’t do the shame game. Learned a long time ago (and keep seeing reminders) that while it may get some small wins here and there, it’s closes a lot of doors before you even get to them. Besides, as I said in the video. I refused to pay full price to offset my costs.

@This1LifeWeLive

3 жыл бұрын

He actually can't do this. It's called defamation, and a car channel tried this with a car dealership who did a poor repair job on his car and they ended up sueing him and winning . . . later the guy lost his channel as well :P

@ytharper66

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea!!! What about setting up a couple of cheap internet cameras and tell them you’ll be watching and recording their work so you can show friends and relatives what a great job they do and it will mean several referrals in addition to a KZread video to show a great job done.

You really should name this contractor.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

They’re out of business.

Yea!!!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Now that I've also got HVAC in there, man it's comfortable

@simonr6793

3 жыл бұрын

You should have used the guy's Chris used they did a fantastic job!!!

Thanks for sharing that!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I've been sitting on this for a while debating whether or not to post it. I don't like just complaining or putting anyone on blast.

Sorry to hear of your issues. Had a similar issue with concrete job at our home. Over promising and under delivering is a killer!!!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Such a bummer! I get why good contractors are so revered now.

Damn dude, I'd be pissed! I hear ya bro. Hope everything works out. Sorry to hear you had that happen man.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, it’s all good now. The shop has a floor, walls and hvac are done, electrical is going in... it was frustrating and slowed things a bit. But didn’t stop anything.

This guy is a nice guy.

Excellent video!!! Very helpful to me at least.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Your son showing up halfway through is a great reminder not to get too pissed off about this stuff. Hah. It'll turn out great - never hire those guys again!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Haha truth! Some much needed levity, and you’re right - great reminder that the world keeps turning. In the scheme of things a few hundred bucks and couple hours work ain’t something to loose sleep over.

I think you made the right decision in cutting your losses and moving on. No point in fighting on. Be nice to find a way to report them through the BBB or a local contractors association. I have been incredibly lucky in hiring contractors to build a house and all the sub-trades brought in were excellent as well. Small town Ontario....screw up and you are done. Keep up the good work... and I loved the dancing in the background lol.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll be following up with the BBB for sure. Glad your build has gone well! And yeah I had no clue he was dancing when I recorded, but it was some much needed brevity for this one 🤣🤣 great reminder of keeping things in perspective and that the world keeps on turning.

Ha! Join the club of those with poor spray foam jobs! I'm currently embattled with my subs over how to proceed . . . major headache, bottom line, if you want something done RIGHT, do it YOURSLEF :(

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man! So sorry to hear that, but also kinda relieved I'm not the only one who went through that kind of headache... hope your crew did somewhat better?

Thanks for sharing this experience with us. The American work ethic is still out there, but there are some duds out there. I learned something the last time I had a bad outcome from a licensed and bonded contractor. Shortly after it started to look like he might not be able to finish the job. I researched their history on my state's department of licensing website. I found out that he missed the deadline to pay for his insurance. Then I searched some more looking for other licensed businesses he or his wife had in the records online. There names were tied to several defunct general contractor businesses. It looked like they would get a license, pay insurance, operate for a while, if they made enough to pay expenses, they would keep going until... they couldn't pay the insurance. Then probably deliver pizzas until they saved enough money to do it again under a slightly different name. Luckily we didn't pay for the whole job up front and were able to hire another company who had done work for us before to finish the job. Now, I know to get a bid and do some research.

that is ashame sorry that happened to you. I had foam sprayed in my house and it came out past the 2x4 framing and they shaved it off flush for the walls!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

That’s the way it’s supposed to be done for full coverage! They were supposed to do that on my doors. I’m glad to hear your install went well, I bet that’s one tight house!

One thing I've learned after going through many bad contractors is don't pay them the final amount till you have quality checked over their work. Also pay with a credit card if you can because you can file a dispute with the credit card company and get some or all the charges reversed if the job is not completed or done correctly.

Dont feel bad. I had a similar situation. They had to come out 4 times to fix. Before they started i gave them specific instructions. I did all the work to close up the soffit vents. Attic is plenty accessible. Instructed.. Where not to foam due to a section needing to be vented. Ignored that and shot spray foam out the side of house and onto the yard. Their fix was to flood cavity with foam. (Clearly doesnt understand importance of vented). Asked them not to go to thick in one spot where there is tons of service passing through. They overfilled it. Anywhere there was hvac ducts.. They flooded the section behind there. Many sections were showing the roof deck ( sprayed one direction). They ran out of foam and had a new barrel brought to site. This layer was sprayed thin and had a incorrect mix and shrunk. Left one of the vent cavities unfilled. They came out again fixed some spots. Overfilled more sections that were unecessary. Came out again to fix the rest that they missed. Gun jammed up so they spent 6 hours fiddling with the gun. Came out again and finally finished. Its not perfect.. I will have to go in and touch up some. Buy like you.. I was tired of it. Office staff were all very nice. I have one more phase to do. I will be demanding a different crew and no errors.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

Gar, what an experience! Sorry to hear it was such a pain for you as well.

That is a real bummer.I hope I have better luck. My spray foam guys are coming in a couple weeks.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck man! Just be sure to ask about 1 component and 2 component, and how they're going to handle tough areas. And get a respirator and do a walk through before they pack up.

Thanks for the video! I am going to have my billing sprayed after it is erected next month. I know not do pay a dime and tell them beforehand not to put their equipment away before I inspect.

Yeah that's the down side to supporting local sometimes... I feel your pain... Crappy situation when I got the roof of my house replaced with a local contractor.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Very sorry to hear that! Had the same experience with trying to get t-shirts made. Didn't want to keep ordering from the big companies so tried to have work done with two local companies.. both times they did subpar work and did their best to hide it so I wouldn't notice when I came to pick it up. I wanna support local, but I can't justify paying more for lesser product. And more than supporting local, I wanna support people who do good work.

@mattmayes599

3 жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo yeah I know what you mean

I wish Yelp reviews were this informative.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Haha if only!

There comes a point where I just buy the equipment, $8k and I'd be considering it

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the systems for it are like $15k-$30k though, and that's before the foam. To buy enough DIY foam kits would've been about the same as their quote... knowing what I know now though, I wish I'd had gone that route instead. Woulda been a better job done faster. Even with the complications that come from that.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

My only advice against that would be it’s a super nasty job with a lot of overspray. You’d be better saving up and doing it all at once - or no more than two rounds. Otherwise you’ll be out a ton in the PPE and having to keep re-masking everything. Unless you don’t mind foam overspray on stuff

SORRY GUY .... but thanks for shaing - good to know

@YouCanMakeThisToo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Welcome to the new world order of work you pay allot for!!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 ай бұрын

People doing shoddy work is a new phenomenon?

Also being a businessman myself, I've learned some people only learn by suing them, our small claims are up to $10K, with your pixs, they wouldn't have a prayer.

I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy!

Haha, your son in the background! I'm guessing he's about 8? Mine is too 😂

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yep! Was 7 at the time, almost 8 :) he's a character.

Seems like either they owe you another trip out to finish the job they were paid for, or they owe you a refund so you can hire people to do it the right way. I think the moral of the story is don’t pay your contractors in full until the job is done to spec and satisfaction. That’s the best piece of advice in the whole video. You should name them. I know it’s a relatively niche service in a specific area, but still people should know to steer clear.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

It was about $500 and a few hours of time to finish the job, I'm more interested in moving along. If there's anyone in my area looking for an installer, I'm happy to let them know to steer clear. Otherwise blasting folks isn't my style.

have you seen the mashal remodeling video? Another couple checked after seeing his and had similar issues.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't

Sounds like you have grounds for legal action.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Probably, but I refused to pay the estimate since they didn't do the estimated work. If I take more time away from my business to fight them, even if I received damages I'd still end up even further net negative.

@smellysam

3 жыл бұрын

Not a win win... Weird they really can't come with a smaller machine and quickly go over the trouble spots? Dealing with emails, invoices, pissed off clients etc would cost way more in man hours than fixing it - mind you, I had a carpenter like that...

So you didn't have your contact specified as 3" minimum depth throughout the exterior envelope. So who's fault is that?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

It was in there, even in my contract.

Make them come back and “finish” the job. You paid for it and they didn’t do it.

Wow they are cowboys

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they were something..

Why did you pay them in full?

That sucks man, contractors are always a gamble. From the looks of the space, foam kits to do it would probably only cost in the $2000-$3000 range. That depends on you being able to take the time to do it yourself though.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I did all the estimates on that, after PPE and everything I woulda been in about $7800 to get everything I needed to do the job, and that's not including extra incase I had yield issues. Not to mention trying to warm and keep warm that many tanks during winter.

@sheldondaigh8123

2 жыл бұрын

I've never seen where you can buy the do it yourself kids and come out ahead of paying a spray foam contractor. (Unless it's a small job that is under a contractors minimum) I've had a lot of people misunderstand the coverage advertised on those kits, they read it as sq ft coverage instead of board feet (600 board foot kit only covers 600 sq ft at 1" thick, most people would want at least 2" thick, so it'll only cover 300sq ft at best per kit)

who was the company so other people don't get ripped off.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

7 ай бұрын

They’re not in business anymore, big surprise.

I don’t care how “hard” it was to reach some spots, they bid the job and were under contract to complete it. If it was too difficult for them to complete then they’re in breach of contract and accept that they don’t get paid. If they had faulty equipment, that’s on them too. ESPECIALLY if they didn’t care for it properly. Leaving a bad review isn’t enough, make sure the Better Business Bureau knows, and I’d seriously consider legal action. If you take them to court you should be able to get compensated both for the shoddy work as well as any additional expenses. And they’re not allowed back to fix it as they’ve clearly shown they’re not capable or trustworthy. The more people that let this crap slide the worse the minimum standards get for these tools...

How will you attach a wall?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

That video came out this morning!

In regards to the sprayers direction of spray? It’s relatively up to the technique,now most sprayers have no clue as to why they need to fallow the laws of physics

Social media is a great way to discuss they job they did and get the word out about that company. I would not of paid for that job. I'm not sure if you can file a lawsuit now that you paid them. I hope they adjusted the price of their sorry work...

At a minimum you should file a report with Better Business Bureau and possibly save someone else from going through the same thing.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

That's going to happen

Edit: just got to the part explaining it was the only bid. Man that is a rip off! Sorry to hear hope you figure something out! I’d be contacting my lawyer. I understand what the other fellow said about low bid = low quality and amount of work. That said 3” and 3/4” is a HUGE difference, breach of contract.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

That's why I refused to pay full price. The tricky point is their bid was actually on par with national average ($1/bf), and they were the only bid I could get.. no-one else would respond or said I was too far from the city.

Were they the low bidders?

This is the reason I used 2 Inch xps foam board

My question is will you get condensation with the fiber glass batts ? prob won’t know till mid winter. The low foam can conduct cold which can cause condensation.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

If it’s happening here it’s happening in my house and it’s been fine

@problemgarage6412

2 жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo that’s good to know. I am looking at doing spray foam and have been nervous.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t sweat it. So long as you do at least 1.5” of closed cell you have a vapor barrier and can do whatever you want over it.

You're a better man than me!

Brutal. Should reveal the contractor name for the rest of the people in your area and embarrass the hell out of them.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

If someone is local and looking for foam I’m happy to talk about it, but odds are that’s nobody in my audience. Otherwise the shame game ain’t one I like to play and just bad business.

I feel your pain.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

this may have been answered but why didnt they just come back and fix the places they missed

@YouCanMakeThisToo

Жыл бұрын

They'd already been out five times and when I inspected they'd already packed up. Giving them another go was unlikely to provide satisfactory results and they were holding up the whole project. Best option was to just get them out, fix the work, and move on. They're no longer in business.

They were a shady contractor. Lots of those out there, but also tons of good ones. I would not pay the full amount. You pay what you feel is right and tell them to take you to court. Getting them off site is better than having them "Give it another Shot". Sorry that you had to experience this. I had a roofer take $6500 from me. He was to order material and never did and left the province. There is no getting that back!!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Dang that’s brutal! I’ve heard too many stories like that. Even though I had to fix it, at least they did do 95% of the work.

Caleb, I believe you mentioned in a prior episode about a grinder/cutoff blade with a lifetime guarantee that you use. What was that blade?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! millnertools.com/products/angle-grinding-wheel-4-1-2 YCMT2 should get you 15% off

@chinidad2778

2 жыл бұрын

As I watch this video again I can’t believe how bad the spray foam job was ,I completely share the guys pain that is a piss pour job and they should have returned to top up there mistake,I feel so bad for him a customer should never have to fix a sprayers crap

@chinidad2778

2 жыл бұрын

Wow total rookie mistakes

someone went with the cheapest bid

@YouCanMakeThisToo

5 ай бұрын

They were also the most expensive bid. It’s the nature of being the only bid. Happens when only one contractor will answer the phone or call back.

There is no way I would accept that as a finished product. I would fight tooth and nail to get it corrected before spending more money on the same thing twice.

Your kid 😆

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I'VE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS COMMENT!! Hahah, thanks! I had no idea while I was recording 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣🤣

@JaredMize9

3 жыл бұрын

Three kids of my own and the two boys will do the fortnite dances on camera any time they can! Any video chat. Any inopportune moment. Boys dancing in the background.

As a installer that is a shitty job I would of been fired for a job like that

@YouCanMakeThisToo

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the validation

I hate companies that represent as professionals but don't hold up their end of a contract and do a half ass job, collect money and never to be heard from again. Have had the same thing happen to me in the past - I feel your pain. Problem the company that did this will change their name and do it again. Good luck to you sir.

Nah, attic differential is greatest in summer if we’re talking attic temps vs inside temps. You still get tons of solar loading in winter, and if covered in snow (negating solar loading) the snow acts as a sufficient enough insulator. In FL a 90F day would be 130 easily on a light color shingled roof *with* a ridge vent. Slightly less with a proper, unblocked cathedral vent (eaves are vented along with ridge vent, worked on too goddamn many where some lazy fucks did blow in insulation and buried the eave vents, sometimes in a way that trapped hot outside air under the insulation and interior ceiling). 3.5” is way too much for a bare wall in one go. A framed wall, you can overfill then scrape. You really got shafted but if you signed a work agreement (purchasing contract, whatever) then they’re obligated to come back and correct it.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't think about the attic differential in the summer, that's a really good point! That said.. 70 to 130 is still only a 60 degree difference. Going the other way you're talking 70f inside and 10f outside, and in Northern climates it definitely gets lower than 10f.

We all have bad days and equipment failures but fix your work 🙄

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly... and they were 1.5 hours away. What they thought would be about a 10 hour job turned into 5 trips, they spent 15 hours just driving back and forth. Because they didn't want to replace a pump they knew they'd been limping along. Probably blew all their profit and then lost some on this job because of that.

I'm from S. Mississippi and would like to know who you used so I don't run into those same issues, can you send me their name, thanks.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

2 жыл бұрын

Unsurprisingly, they’re out of business.

I Know how you feel,we bought a home warranty from Home warranty of america 1st time we went to use it after 3 years of paying for it they keep putting us off telling us a different story each time , come to find out they don't have any contractors in our area . Moral of the story ask before you sign up for these home warranties make sure they can actually service the contract

Do your homework before hiring any contractor!! I talked to a contractor about closed cell foam and he was adamant about spraying 1" in my shop, even after I told him that I haven't read, nor saw anything that supported 1" being suffice. After going back and forth with him, he offered to spray 1 1/2", which is a waste of money also. I told him, "if I'm paying you, then give me what I asked for." He told me that I was "shopping". I replied, " you are the reason people should shop." I ended up hiring someone else who gave me 3" on the sides and 4" on the roof.....exactly what I asked for. I told him about the other contractor and the way he insisted on me getting 1" or 1 1/2", he told me that he would've taken my money because it would've been ab big waste. There are honest contractors still out there, but once again, do your homework. Thank you for the video.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

6 ай бұрын

There are definitely good people doing good work in every field. But sadly not every area has someone for every trade.

Despite your problems with the contractors spray foam seems to me the best alternative for insulating your metal building or house. What type of spay foam did you use?, I think there are of two kinds, one is poliuretane and the other is cellulose. As far as I know, Cellulose (paper) is eco friendly but it can be affected by humidity while poliuretane maybe can be contaminant. Any ideas about them?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

Жыл бұрын

I used closed cell polyurethane. After a few days it’s fully offgased and safe to be around. It’s the most effective and durable.

@alejandrolimache9518

Жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo thnks for answering, I am worried about it releasing toxic gases when the metal exterior wall gets heated by the sun

@YouCanMakeThisToo

Жыл бұрын

@@alejandrolimache9518 Once it's cured, it's cured. It'd take a lot more than just the sun on it to get hot enough to release fumes.

@alejandrolimache9518

Жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo thanks for the clarification

That is terrible. Around 20 years ago I had an attic sprayed, I was supposed to get 6" in the rafter bays (open cell), I got around 4". The company came back (2 1/2 hours away) and filled them to the agreed thickness. I can't imagine how upset you must have been. I hope they are out of business soon, that's what they deserve.

Why did you pay them?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

They still insulated 95% of the building and put thousands of dollars of product into the shop. As I mentioned in the end and the pinned comment, I didn't pay the full amount to offset my expenses. But someone would have to cause more damage than the value they did add to justify complete non-payment.

This sounds to me like you know more than they do you should have just done it yourself man sound more than capable

@YouCanMakeThisToo

Жыл бұрын

I wish I had... the cost is about the same between diy kits and hiring it out. I figured at same cost I could save the time and know it was done RIGHT. ...ha, ha hahahahahahaha. Little did I know.

I wouldn’t of even paid them. I would of just made them take me to court and then brought my evidence and said this is why I’m with holding payment your honor. They said they would be paid upon completion and the work isn’t complete. It’s only half done. I paid for however many inches and haven’t received that.

The issue isn't with the material...for which I'm a believer for sure...it was with the contractor. I hope that perhaps you can find a way to hold them accountable since you did not get what you paid for. If anything, the contractor that did our home addition oversprayed, rather than undersprayed!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you had a good experience! And yes, spray foam is great. This installer.. not so much.

I hope you're suing them for not doing what they should have.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

As I mentioned at the end, I refused to pay full price for a less than full job. I should've shorted them more after I kept discovering issues, but it's more important (and profitable) to get my business running again than fight with them.

Yo when they spray 2-part polyurethane insulation foam, they should have sprayed a rubberized sealant layer first. Also the foam settles. They should have done a 3 inch layer in at least 2 sessions, not a single spray. That’s gonna sag.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

They did do it in lifts, they came out about 5 times.

@sheldondaigh8123

2 жыл бұрын

Closed cell Spray foam does not settle, only problem could be shrinking and pull away from studs if not properly applied or to much moisture in/on the substrate.

@rexstolze4512

2 жыл бұрын

Rubberized sealant? What the hell is that. Don’t comment on stuff you obviously know nothing about, it really misleads people. I have been spraying foam for 10 years and never sprayed a “rubberized” sealant on metal before spraying. I have sprayed a primer but only on galvanized metal for better adhesion

It is so hard to find a good contractor

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Truth

That kind of crap the y did would not hav passed inspection at all here.

I am confused with this video. What kind of framing would you have used that 3/4" to less than 2" foam covers all the framing? I had a 200 year old building done and your job looks terrible. I would have sued that contractor!

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

It's all 2x framing and didn't fully cover a lot of the framing, just kinda looks that way because it got sprayed on the framing as well.

It's hard to believe that they were out there 5 x's and it looked like that.....! Cutting corners, they will be out of business soon. What state are you in? Did they spray a fire retardant? Or was it already in the foam?? You Need to do a test on the stuff you scrape off and see if it burns!! This is critical as closed cell is "very flammable" without retardant!! I hope they didn't cut that corner as well! It's an odd thing where you pay money to stabbed in the back..... just jim

Sorry to hear it....lawyer up.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Not worth the time or fees for the potential damages award. I make more making videos and furniture than I would putting the time into fighting them, and I did refuse to pay the original quote since they didn't deliver.

@algorithmicalychallenged.291

3 жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo Good on you mate and thanks for the video.

I hope your taking these guy to small claims court to get your money back, and sue them for the money to fix it too.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I shorted them and finished the job, I'll come out farther away cash wise just getting the commissions done that I owe folks then having to discount for being late on my deadlines spending time messing about with courts.

Caleb, I hope you told these guys off and reported them to the Better Business Breau. This is just not acceptable, even if they were a local company. I'm sorry you have to put up with this crap job, my friend. Felix I would pass this information on to Jay Bates. Isn't he from Mississippi also?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Jay is about 2 hours south of me I think, or his old place in Starkville was. We definitely had it out before they left. I’ll be following up with the BBB.

You are way too forgiving but thanks for showing us!

Wow i know you didn't pay the full amount because of there shoddy work but man I'd be contacting a solicitor to deal with the hassle and the messy job they did. Considering that there's loads of people losing their job's because of covid etc you think these guys would have gone above and beyond to makesure you was as happy as a pig in shit with the end product!!! As always 💯%.. 👍🇬🇧. P.s. I hope you get it sorted soon without losing any money because of the delay etc!!

That finish is absolutely appalling. The company that installed that should be ashamed.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

Some of them were, the lead guy wasn't.

You went with the lowest bid and got the lowest amount of work out of the worst people around you will always get exactly what you pay for with contractors I promise I is one lol yeah they did a horrible job but was it the lowest or close to the lowest bid?

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

It was the ONLY bid I could get. Everyone else wouldn't answer the phone or respond to messages, or respond to emails, and the one other time I did get a call back.. I was too far out of the city. And it was on par with typical averages if you look up spray foam costs ($1/bf). After they didn't show up the first time I reached out to a company that said they didn't work in my area, but did.. their bid was 25% higher which put it above typical prices. I imagine because I was identified as a potential PITA client since I was calling after someone else wasn't delivering.

I'm not one to sue unless it's just crazy bad. This is pretty close. That's one of the worst spray foam jobs I've ever seen. It looks like they let Ray Charles run the spray gun. But what I would do, is contact the BBB as well as your state's AG. I wouldn't have paid them a dime for that job. I hate that you ran into "that company". I would also recommend rating them on Google and putting a link to this video in the comment. Google reviews are extremely powerful.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't think about the google review, I have thought about the BBB. The trouble is when I inspected it was dark and we didn't have lights in the building. It wasn't 'till a few days after that I started seeing just how bad a job they did.

@dgoddard

3 жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo Well, a Google review is reversible if they decide to make it right. You can put that in your comment that you'll change your review if they make good on their end. I own a painting company that does residential repaints for people. Most of my work comes from people seeing our great reviews and I'm sure I get a good chunk from them seeing the other's bad reviews. You said it right when you said "Under promise and over-deliver". If you can do that, then you'll never go wrong.

I do Google reviews. They get read. I recommend you do one. Keep it brief but let the a$$holes have it. I have some title suggestions for it but this is a family channel 😎

Who did this a crew of Gypsy's ? If this was me I would no have paid them, and I would have taken this video to my lawyer. This is one of the worse foam jobs I have see even here in Florida.

Hi, that was a very bad job they did, if I was you I would have put the name of the company in the credits to warn any other potential customers of the quality of the job done. Spray foam can be a very good insulator and air tightness if done correctly, I would say you ended with a cowboy firm.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I left them out on purpose. I don’t use my platform to blast people, and 99% of the people who watch aren’t gonna be close enough to me for this contractor to be an issue. For the 1% that are.. I’ll tell anyone that’s in the area and reaches out if they’re looking for an installer.

Yeah fuck all that. I'd stop payment on that company and pay a second contractor to assess the situation and give advice how to fix the first fuck up. And then give company A a chance to fix it or SUE. Lawyers and all that

My experience, for the last 20 years or so, is that contractors aren't worth a %$*%^&, excuse the language. I do 90% myself and try to find a friend or 2 to help or I network to find another way to get something done.....it's just how things are nowadays.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I’m leaning more and more that way. I’ve commented on a few things I’ve personally undertaken here and that maybe I should’ve hired it.. locals have commented that my best efforts were on par with most of the local contractors.

Did you call them and complain? If so, what did they say? If that fails, please a negative Google review. You can call wherever financial institution you used to pay them and dispute the charge. I feel bad because when we talked I recommended closed-cell spray foam, and that's what you got, and you got a terrible install :/

@YouCanMakeThisToo

3 жыл бұрын

I got back from a delivery and they had packed up and were waiting on me. We had it out before I wrote them a check for under. Pretty sure they waited on me for that check cause they were scared if they didn’t wait and I had more time to look I wouldn’t pay at all.

@StephenGoggin

3 жыл бұрын

@@YouCanMakeThisToo Can you have another company come out and pay them the difference to fill in the gaps?