Praise be to the Lord for giving us such a wise brother in these times! Blessed brother Piper❤

There is not one word in all the New Testament about Christians using mechanical instruments in worship to God. Instrumental music was introduced into religious service by King David, nearly 450 years after the Israelites left Egypt (1 Chron. 16). The use of instrumental music in worship is mentioned about 36 times in the Old Testament, but not one single time in the New Testament. Some folks attempt to justify the use of instruments by saying, "David used it in the Old Testament." While this is true, we are under the authority of "KING JESUS" not King David! The New Covenant demands not only a change of the priesthood, but also a change of the law (Heb. 7:12). The First Covenant has been taken out of the way and nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14). Nine out of nine times when we find what the early Christians did as far as music was concerned, the Bible says they sang. Thus, we do have a Bible pattern for singing. We have No Biblical recorded information throughout the New Testament showing any act of worship conducting with the use of instruments enjoined. "And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives" (Matt. 26:30). "And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God" (Acts 16:25). "I will confess thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name" (Rom. 15:9). "I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also" (1 Cor. 14:15). "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord" (Eph. 5:19). "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts..." (Col. 3:16). "In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee" (Heb.2:12). "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name" (Heb.13:15)."Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing Psalms" (James 5:13). Not only do we have the Bible record of how the early church worshipped God in song, but secular history gives us additional information. "Pope Vitalian is related to have first introduced organs into some churches of western Europe, about 670; but the earliest trustworthy account is that of the one sent as a present by the Greek emperor Constantine Copronymus to Pepin, king of the Franks, in 775." (The American Cyclopedia, Vol. 12). "The organ is said to have been first employed in the church during the time of Pope Vitalian I." [c. 666 a.d.] (New International Encyclopedia, Vol. 13, p. 446). Even men who were responsible for the establishment of modern denominations urged their followers to reject the use of mechanical instruments in service to God. John Calvin is invariably named with Martin Luther as the chief builders of Protestant Denominationalism. Calvin, architect of the Presbyterian church, said, "Musical instruments in celebrating the praises of God would be no more suitable than the burning of incense, the lighting up of lamps, and the restoration of the other shadows of the law. The papists, therefore, have foolishly borrowed this, as well as many other things, from the Jews. Men who are fond of outward pomp may delight in that noise; but the simplicity which God recommends to us by the apostle is far more pleasing to Him." (Calvin's Commentary on the 33rd Psalm). Martin Luther made the simple statement that "The organ in the worship is the ensign of Baal." John Wesley, founder of the Methodist church, said, "I have no objection to instruments of music in our chapels provided they are neither heard nor seen." (Adam Clarke's Commentary, Vol. 4, p. 686). Adam Clarke was born in Ireland about 1762. His commentaries on the Bible have been one of the best selling reference books for over a century. While discussing the use of mechanical instruments in worship, he said, "I am an old man, and an old minister; and I here declare that I never knew them productive of any good in the worship of God; and have had reason to believe that they were productive of much evil. Music as a science, I esteem and admire; but instruments of music in the house of God I abominate and abhor. This is the abuse of music; and I register my protest against all such corruptions in the worship of the Author of Christianity." (Adam Clarke's Commentary, Vol. 4). The ways of God and man are not the same (Isa. 55:8-9). Those who "speak as the oracles of God" (1 Pet. 4:11) will be content to sing as God has directed. Finally, as I conclude on this, we have got to fully understand the will and way of God and walk in His guideline to please Him. God will not ask us to do something He is not pleased with. In Deut.29:29 we are told... "The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that He has REVEALED to us, so that we may OBEY all the terms of these instructions." Therefore, since we are Not under the Old Testament and the Law, but rather are under the commands, principles, instructions and directive of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, "let us" together conform ourselves to the teaching of Christ just as commanded in Col. 3:16 which says..."Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, in all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another, in psalms, hymns, spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to God." ©winston s chambers God is faithful

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

Well said and rightly dividing the Word of Truth!

That is an excellent answer. Simple and concise.

Psalm 150: Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD. I can't understand how God would have delighted in that kind of praise to Him at that time, but then prohibit it under the New Covenant. It baffles me.

@innovationhq8230

4 ай бұрын

He delighted in animal sacrifice in the OT but to think he accepts it in the NT is absurd.

@Nashvillain10SE

4 ай бұрын

@@innovationhq8230 He accepted the final sufficient sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Was there some similar final sufficient praise as described in Psalm 150 that made that kind of praise useless?

@innovationhq8230

4 ай бұрын

@@Nashvillain10SE Musical instruments in worship were tied to the sacrificial system. Their use in worship is ceremonial and put away with all the other shadows of the old covenant.

@Nashvillain10SE

4 ай бұрын

@@innovationhq8230 There is no connection between instrumental music and the sacrificial system. No connection whatsoever exists in scripture to support that ridiculous claim.

@innovationhq8230

4 ай бұрын

​@@Nashvillain10SE There most certainly is a connection and you not understanding that shows your biblical ignorance. The following verses clearly shows the connection between musical instruments in worship and the sacrificial system. If you can't see this then it just shows that your idolatry has blinded you to God's truth. 2 Chronicles 29:25-30 25 And he set the Levites in the house of the Lord with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the Lord by his prophets. 26 And the Levites stood with the instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets. 27 And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar. And when the burnt offering began, the song of the Lord began also with the trumpets, and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel. 28 And all the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpeters sounded: and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished. 29 And when they had made an end of offering, the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped. 30 Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the Lord with the words of David, and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped. You are defending the status quo of apostate Christianity and if you have been taught and participated your whole life in the use of musical instruments in worship you will think it's biblical when the fact is that it is sinful.

The same preacher at my church who is adamant about NOT using instruments uses a microphone, an iPad, a computer, a projector, a screen, and Facebook Live.

@kmansfield01

Жыл бұрын

All the things just listed are helps to the service or what are called Circumstances. They aren't parts of the service like preaching/reading God's word, the sacraments and singing psalms.

@Stigma-ba115

Жыл бұрын

​@kmansfield01 there is no distinction between circumstances and not in the Bible. Also, the regulstive principle itself is not told in the Bible. The Bible never says do ONLY what is in scripture and no where else.

@RobSwith

Жыл бұрын

@@Stigma-ba115 Deuteronomy 4:2 does teach this principle We are not to add or subtract from the command of the Lord and we have been given clear examples and commands of worship to follow. Let's be careful as we approach Mount Zion by the blood of Christ.

@levibaer18

11 ай бұрын

@@Stigma-ba115 Where actual instruments are described for worship in the Old Testament, yes it is regulative. God commands/ordains only a few to be used in worship service and are tied to the sacrificial system. The New Testament also describes what worship should look like by describing singing with others. No mention of instruments. Knowing the above, that God regulated Israel on the instruments they were to use when worshipping Him, and that Paul mentions worship in the New Testament synonymously with singing and no mention of instruments, how can you come to the conclusion that because instruments aren’t spoken of in the New Testament that Paul is giving you free reign to use that which you choose?

@marjorieanderson8626

5 ай бұрын

LOL. Because it wouldn't have taken Paul ten seconds to write "DO NOT USE MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS IN WORSHIP" if it was an issue. But he didn't. @@levibaer18

Reading Romans 14 is a great start. May God open our minds and hearts to discern and understand his word more accurately. God Bless you all.

Even if we are not allowed to play instruments and allowed to sing, is it that we should only sing melody and not harmony, because the early church only sung songs in monophony, now if someone is tone deaf and can't keep a key should they not sing? If we are allowed to sing harmony then what kind of harmonies can we use? Thirds, fifths, sevenths, tritones? Are we allowed to sing pedals/drone? Or just sing melody. I believe many of the things the early church did was because of what they knew and accepted at that time and culture, but many things change with culture. For example everyone would have to sing songs the same way but people from different places will sing differently, some may sing more rhythmically due to culture and require one to hold the beat much like having one hold the melody in a culture where more sustained melodies and harmonies are created the list goes on and on. Some may be tempo how fast or slow, should it only be slow or only fast. This thing is too confusing!

For the people who think we shouldn’t use instruments for worship, what about outside of worship? Can I learn to play other songs, and should I not learn how to play any worship songs? Or should I not learn to play an instrument at all?

This is also something to consider what Paul was writing to the people of Ephesis: Ephesians 5 5 1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. 3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person-such a person is an idolater-has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them. 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible-and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14 This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” 15 Be very careful, then, how you live-not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. I will try and speak for a moment on this and then other scripture. Here, I would say “what constitutes hymn, psalm and what constitutes making music”. Hymn and psalm from the heart worshipping God and pleasing God are what you see in other scripture across the Bible. The objectivity here and the question to ask yourself is “is what you are worshipping and actions pleasing God? Are they meant to please God from your heart?? I think it is a heart stance and a large reason why we should all be in the word daily. For this reason here. Whether acapella or not, are you pleasing God in your hymn, psalm? Is what you are doing meant at heart level pleasing God in it’s conviction? Is your heart in the right place? God does know this. Ask yourself this when you are in worship at Church next time you go. If you can honestly say your heart is directed at God than there is yoir answer. As for making music. There is also a blank canvas left open for interpretation here. It doesn’t say to or not to use instruments but to do it in a way that pleases God. Be creative. God would want you to be creative. All instruments wouldn’t exist if it was not for God. Use them. Make sure you are doing what you do to please God and all He has done for us all. In conclusion, whether you choose to use acapella or use instruments, brothers and sisters. Love God with all your might, strength, heart and mind. Love your neighbour as you love yourself. Remember the big picture here. Jesus died at the cross for our sins. He knew He was going to die for us. Our sins have been forgiven from Jesus doing this for us. Without Jesus dying at Calvary, we are stuck in our sin. Musicians, make music that will please the Lord. Worshippers, worship in a way that will please the Lord Jesus Christ. God will know your heart before and after worship and before and after the sermon. He will know your heart before you enter Church and after you get home from Church. Keep your eyes on the Word and your ears peeled on righteousness. The Word will grow the spirit in you with actions from it so you can hear and see and discern. You will be able to tell from the fruit of others if their heart is one that is pleasing the Lord or not. We are meant to love our neighbour. Be careful where you place your battles. You don’t want to fall into hypocrisy from judgements on a brother or sister because of how their heart, words and actions are standing if they themselves are in Christ and doing what they see is pleasing the Lord from scripture and being obedient to what does not please the Lord.

Are the harp and the lyre ok if we sing a Psalm that it is recommended to be done accompanied with one of those instruments in the OT?

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

The command given in the New Testament church is to sing. Not following the command is disobedience. Jesus taught the apostles to observe everything he commanded them in Matthew 28:18-20. The apostles obeyed the command, and told us to sing. We should obey the apostles because that's what Jesus told them.

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@jncon8013 that is a good point you bring up. The best course of action with that is to find an example in the Bible to see how the person of God handled a command to do something. That example comes early in the Word of God with Noah. Gen. 6:14 - God told Noah to build an ark out of gopher wood (also known as cypress wood). God did not say NOT to use oak, mesquite, pine, pecan, apple, or cherry wood etc. The Bible says, "Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him." Genesis 6:22 ESV So Noah did what God said to do. Noah was saved by doing all that God commanded. He didn't use any other type of wood because God did not say he couldn't. He obeyed the command. The Bible says Noah was a righteous man Gen. 6:8,9. If we want to have the same status (being righteous) to God like Noah, we will obey the command to sing without adding to what God said because God "didn't say we couldn't" do it. I appreciate you playing the devil's advocate. It helps us grow in the wisdom of God.

@jncon8013

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmcc-lt3lk I understand your point (and appreciate your response!) but I don’t think that’s exactly analogous. By telling Noah which kind of wood to use, this excludes all other types. For example if Noah had used oak, the command to use gopher would not have been obeyed. I’m not sure this same deduction makes sense when it comes to music, since the command to sing can be obeyed whether accompaniment is present or not. Also worthy of noting is that the Greek word for psalms, “ψαλμός” (as mentioned in Ephesians 5;19) is defined in my concordance as “a set piece of music, i.e. a sacred ode (accompanied with the voice, harp or other instrument)” I was raised in the church of Christ and do favor the more conservative approach of a cappella worship, but I’m also not convinced those who use instruments are in error. Just my thoughts :-)

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@jncon8013 you're most welcome! And I in turn appreciate yours. You are absolutely correct. By telling Noah what type of wood excludes all others. God tells us what type of music...singing. When looking at Eph. 5:19, one must look at context along with the Greek. The first thing it tells a person is to speak which uses the voice. Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs tells us what kind of music God wants, it tells us not all types of music is acceptable...it needs to be spiritual...and yes we need to make music. The Greek word for singing is psallo which means to produce music vocally. I'm not sure I would believe the Bible would contradict itself in any way here. If I had any doubt about the verse, I would seek others to help my understanding. I would look in Heb. 13:15, By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." The Bible tells us what to use to offer up the sacrifice of praise...the fruit of our lips. The Bible gives us an example of what to do in the midst of the church in Heb. 2:12, "saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, In the midst of the church will I sing (psallo) praise unto thee." Psallo is used again. Singing does things that mechanical instruments of music cannot. Singing teaches and admonishes, and we should do so with grace in our hearts. Col. 3:16 (also uses psallo). So we are commanded to sing with grace and not with mechanical instruments of music (and there is no instrument that can teach or admonish). Food for thought: Paul was writing to the church in Colosse (not to an individual, but the whole). Paul told the whole church to "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord" in Col. 3:16. Since the command to the whole congregation is to sing, that would mean the whole church would need to play an instrument because singing is a sacrifice of praise. Therefore, playing an instrument would be too. So everyone must play. That would be confusion, of which God is not the author. 1 Cor. 14:33. So the law of exclusion applies and is relevant here too. :)

There is not a problem using instruments. God can hear our words over the music.

Thing is I’ve been playing decently on the guitar for almost 8 years also instruments have been around for centuries

I believe that the Primitive Baptist got it right. 2 Chronicles 29:26-30 shows that the music started when the priest sacrificed the animal and stopped after it is finished. However, Hezekiah commanded them to sing. This foreshadows the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross.

Sometimes I question myself why this is happening every Churches has a different teaching I just want to worship the Lord, its very sad when my fellow Christians in different Churches having a debate in simple things. I play bass guitar in our Church, I don't play Worldly songs all I want is to praise the Lord with my Talent.

For an in depth study I recommend the book Old Light on New Worship by John Price.

@mustardketchup

5 жыл бұрын

Great book ! I second the recommend

@vinson6337

3 жыл бұрын

@@mustardketchup: I recommend Gods word!

@mustardketchup

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinson6337 I couldn't agree more. And in that book you will find a great application of God's word to the topic of proper worship. There's also a great deal of Church history in it, too. Great book

Key take away that John Piper says: "I think its a mistake to limit that way" . The scripture is there for a reason. We have written examples of how the church worshipped in the New Testament. In essence John Piper is saying we are limiting ourself by only doing what is written. Hmmm... I don't know about that. Who are we trying to please?

@ead630

3 ай бұрын

Psalm 150

@saulsanchez410

3 ай бұрын

@@ead630 that same Psalm calls for dancing, and is under the old covenant, therefore burnt offerings and blood sacrifices would be part of worship as well. Also worship was only allowed in the temple so we wouldn't be able to do that nowadays. Jesus tells the Samaritan women regarding worshipping will change and no longer be at the temple in Jerusalem anymore. Hebrews 8 tells us of the new covenant and the old being a shadow of things to come. So worship is now in spirit and in truth. Lastly no where in the new testament do we see the chruch worshiping with instruments.

Sounds like Piper is making an argument for why instruments should be used. I think that along with singing described in the New Testament, church history shows that organs weren’t imported until 667 AD by the Roman Catholic Church. Also, Eastern Orthodox churches do not utilize instruments. This should tell us something of how they felt about it the first 600 years.

Here is my take on it why would God give people the gift of playing instruments if not to use to praise him? I highly doubt God cares if we use instruments or not. If you’re using it in a way to please God and to worship him with all your heart than I’m not sure what people have a problem with

@prussianeagle1941

3 жыл бұрын

So I have legs, I dont need them to worship, so I should just cut them off? Oh wait i dont need my arms hands or fingers either, so might as well discard of them because I dont need them in a worship service.

@ichbindarren

3 жыл бұрын

I can paint well too, so shouldnt this also be part of the worship assembly? Sorry but that reasoning doesnt work.

@gavinbeard4026

3 жыл бұрын

@@ichbindarren I’m not sure why you used painting an an example as that doesn’t apply here. I see what you’re trying to say but I just think it’s a weak example

@gavinbeard4026

3 жыл бұрын

@@prussianeagle1941 I never received a notification you replied so I apologize for getting back so late but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Seems like you just want to argue and be rude which is the opposite of what we as Christians are called to do

@gavinbeard4026

3 жыл бұрын

@@prussianeagle1941 after re reading what I posted I really don’t understand what you’re trying to say. God gives each of us different gifts and abilities some are much better singers than others, some are better leaders or pastors etc and etc you get the point. I’m not sure what point you’re making with the fingers and hands . But of course we need them to worship and many other things

Very good and wise words. Here's a thought to consider. In the early church for the most part they met to worship under duress with fear of persecution. Many basically met in home churches, hence, the need to worship without drawing too much attention would be wise. Using instruments I believe would certainly draw unwanted attention. Just a thought to consider.

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

Here's a thought to consider. If Jesus told the apostles to teach everything he commanded them and knowing they did, would they have left that out and disobeyed Jesus? They told us to sing. Doing anything more is adding to the Word of God.

@gavinbeard4026

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmcc-lt3lk you really are a jerk. How rude can you be by mocking this individual. They mocked Jesus for claiming to be the son of God guess you’re no better than them

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinbeard4026 I'm just now seeing this. You call me a jerk for "mocking" this person...No. I beg to differ. We all can consider a thought. And you are not God to know if my intentions were evil...which they were not. God knows my heart, not you. If I tell you my intentions were good, it's your duty to believe it. If I am lying, I must deal with God and not you. Your course of action should have been to ask me if my intentions were evil, not to assume.

@isaacherod5526

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmcc-lt3lk There is no way you live this with consistency. You have access to the internet. The Bible does not say anything about the internet, so you're assumption that you are "ok" to use the internet means that you are adding that assumption onto the Bible. This can apply to TONS of stuff. Completely inconsistent view to hold.

Similar to the blood and strangled animal issue in Acts, we need to ask why the early church didn't use instrumental music, and the issue was related to paganism. In today's culture, instrumental music is simply viewed as neutral. One might use similar arguments against CCM, and this becomes a Romans 14 issue. I come from a Chinese background where similar styles of music, while secular, are not ungodly, and as a result I have absolutely no problems with the style, but someone coming out of a sinful lifestyle as a rockstar would have a problem. Certainly the idea that arguments from silence are somehow valid is unbiblical - why does Romans 14 even exist? I should also note that taking the A Capella view to the extreme would mean no harmonies either, and to my knowledge Church of Christ still sing SATB.

Idk why you would make the argument to do away with singing when the bible clearly says “sing & make melody in your heart”

Have you not read what the scriptures say? 1 Cor 10:4 “and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: and the rock was the Christ.” It was Christ that followed the Israelites out in the wilderness for 40 years. Ps 149:3 “Let them praise his name in the dance: Let them sing praises unto him with timbrel and harp. 4 For Jehovah taketh pleasure in his people:” (when they are using instruments!) Ps 150 3-6 “Praise him with trumpet sound: Praise him with psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with timbrel and dance: Praise him with stringed instruments and pipe. 5 Praise him with loud cymbals: Praise him with high sounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that hath breath praise Jehovah. Praise ye Jehovah.” God enjoys musical instrumentation usage in worship to Him. And “Him” is Christ!! He doesn't need to tell you AGAIN to use them, because you should know that it pleases Him because He has already told you! CHRIST was there with those Israelites! “Have you not read what the scriptures say?”

To be honest here, I'm a Christian who just happens to worship in a building labeled "Church of Christ" (The name doesn't mean anything in my opinion). And we (as a congregation) have decided not to have musical instruments in our worship, nor to even worry about it! It is true, we find no examples of musical instruments in church gatherings/worship within the New Testament. (The New Law which we are under). One of the few examples I find of musical instruments in the Bible is when Nebuchadnezzar forced his people to bow down to his IDOL. God doesn't say whether doing either is good or bad. (My congregation doesn't just to be safe). And honestly in my opinion, I don't think whether or not I have musical instruments in my worship services are going to effect whether or not I go to Hell. So what's up with the debate?

@tassiespirit

5 жыл бұрын

We are not under the any LAW but under Grace, if you are under the Law of any type you are not saved, per Jesus. You do find musical instruments in the New Testament, look in Revelations - whatever God can use in Heaven to worship Him, then it can be used on Earth. But, on the other hand the church building is NOT mentioned in the New Testament, so the question should maybe be why are you meeting in a building and calling it "the church" when it is not. We are the church and we are everywhere and can worship anyway, who cares about a building, it is not necessary, only convenient. Jesus told us WE are the temple and not a building, and He is the one who needs to be worshipped there in that temple, not our gifts or needs/ wants. God wants your heart first and foremost, and you don't need instruments to worship God but read Psalms 150:1-6 1 Praise the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens. 2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing greatness. 3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, 4 praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and pipe, 5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

@austinfamilyadventure

4 жыл бұрын

Yet your church doesn't use instruments ' just to be safe' Safe? Are we not already saved by grace?

@treyprofitt

3 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day if you are worshiping god. Its perfect to him I believe

@prussianeagle1941

3 жыл бұрын

@Tassie Spirit Ok there are many problems with what you just said, first the Law. Yes we are under a law it's called the New Law. When Jesus died and gave himself up for us we came out of the Old and in to the New. The Old law is what the Isrealites were under when they first conquered and settled Canaan (the promised land). Also I literally stated that the name of our building doesnt matter hahaha, oml read my comment. Also I wonder if you know that the book of Psalms is in the Old Testament? And if you could give me some verses in the new Testament where the Jews or 1st century Christians were worshiping in synagogues with musical instruments? In the book of Ephesians, specifically 5:19, it states for us to sing and make melody in our hearts, no where in the New Law can I find that we have to use musical Instruments other than our voice. Though, on the subject of books, Revelation is apocryphal writing, look up the term. Revelation tells us about the fall of the Roman Empire. Look through it and you will see the resemblances, it's quite interesting. Happy studying :)

@kingkonglux123

3 жыл бұрын

Romans 16:16 the name means a lot...

If a musical instrument is a sin to play in worship, it would be a sin to play a musical instrument period. No place in Gods word do we find something considered a sin in one part of life and not be a sin I. another part of life. God doesn’t have double standards

Well, says John Piper, re: music, etc. - "we just need to make sure...." Really, who gets to decide? The majority? Turns out one ends up in relativism, "my opinion vs your opinion." No matter what we do, at some point we end up drawing the line somewhere and someone isn't happy.

Yes!!

The fact that everybody in this comment section is trying to cherry pick Bible verses to justify whether we should/shouldn’t use instruments in Church is wild 😂😂. Been going to a church with a Hammond organ, drums, keyboard and bass player for years and the holy spirit shows up and shows out every week. It’s little pointless things like this that divides us.

used by the church such as Sunday Schools, lights, heat, microphones, Bible colleges etc.

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand your comment.

@josesevinelevin9262

Жыл бұрын

There is a difference between the elements or worship and the circumstances in which we worship in. When we turn the heater on in the winter during worship that’s not part of the worship service nor do we have a ceremony celebrating the turning on or off of lights. Circumstances just allow us to turn on the heat or to turn on the light of the space we are using for worship. Send a school also usually is held before or after or ship on the Lord‘s day but it’s not part of the Sunday service. God was very careful to prescribe how he was to be washed it and we have to be careful not to add to that

Musical instruments were only used for Tabernacle (three trumpets of silver), and Temple worship (Instruments of David given to him by revelation from God) Instruments were to be played from the beginning of the sacrifice until the end of the sacrifice (that's a long time!) Nehemiah had the instruments played at the laying of the foundation of the temple. Jews did not use any type of instruments in their synagogues. Christ himself spent his whole life in these synagogues. Nowhere else in scripture are musical instruments commanded or implied to be used in corporate (public) worship. Musical instruments didn't become prevalent until aroundl 1300 A.D. They (the organ) were commonly instituted by Rome in arguably its most corrupt period After instituting the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper in the upper room, Jesus and his disciples sang a hymn (a Psalm) and departed. It's doesn't say Peter played guitar while John kept time on his drum kit Piper's arguments here are the weakest of the most commonly used against the Regulative Principal. He's obviously not done any study on the subject ... And the argument that maybe we shouldn't sing because our voice is an instrument is altogether shameful. Had he read his Bible lately? You can find a great sermon by Gavin Beers ( Cornerstone Presbyterian Church) here on KZread that does a great job on this subject (and the Regulative Principal as a whole). Make sure you're not bringing Strange Fire

@thebadgeclanfilms8002

4 жыл бұрын

Todd but is it a sin to play music on a sunday in a church

@thebadgeclanfilms8002

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Tipton I understand that it’s not specifically prescribed in the Bible. but NOWHERE In the Bible is the use of musical instruments described as sinful. Look at David, he worshiped God with the lyre. what’s to stop me?

@thebadgeclanfilms8002

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Tipton To address your first point, again it does not say that the use of musical instruments was only for the Levites or only for the temple, but that the Levites were the ones to play it in the temple. Psalms 33:3 says that we are to sing and *play skillfully* to make a sound joyful to the Lord. as for the New Testament and Old Testament covenants, it sounds like you are questioning the validity of the Scriptures. The Old Testament law is equally applicable to the New Testament law. All Scripture is God breathed. I would totally attend an only singing church. I just believe that people grow spiritually through different methods, and for some people only using voices is very beneficial. But I personally enjoy music with my worship. I think it would be a wonderful experience though.

@thebadgeclanfilms8002

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Tipton okay cool. I still see it as prescriptive and descriptive. The Bible never says that playing music is a sin. when I play my guitar and sing a worship song, I feel more connected to the Holy Spirit and to God then when I sing a cappella. That is me. That is my preference. That is how I grow spiritually, and I think to say that it is sinful to do so is a misinterpretation of scripture.

@thebadgeclanfilms8002

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Tipton welp looks like i’m going to hell, at least i got to enjoy the sounds that God created

We are clearly told in the New Testament that God requires us to worship him in Spirit and in Truth (ie possessing his Spirit and using his word). Our worship must also be done with reverence and Godly fear. Most music in modern day churches is little more than modern/rock music accompanying Christian words. It in no way glorifies God. Allowing musical instrumentation into churches can soon degenerate into paganism.

@lanes58

4 жыл бұрын

You are confused and delusional.

@caringmother6296

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@prussianeagle1941

3 жыл бұрын

@@lanes58 The only part of his comment that was even remotely weird was the paganism part. Also, it takes someone who is confused and delusional to recognize someone who is. Good job kiddo, go troll in another chat.

@TheOtherCaleb

2 жыл бұрын

you’re confused

Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. -- Psalms 33:3

@rainescook7533

11 ай бұрын

old testament tho...

@jncon8013

10 ай бұрын

@@rainescook7533 2 Tim 3:16 tho

Of course it is. Just make sure you play, as unto the Lord.

@vinson6337

3 жыл бұрын

Prove it

Nadab and Abihu. Leviticus 10. Ephesians 5:19. Colossians 3:16

@thereisnopandemic

6 жыл бұрын

Sam Tipton Amen. Heidelberg Catechism article 96 or Westminster Confession of Faith 21

@josephmartinez3854

5 жыл бұрын

Psalms 150

@davidacharles1962

4 жыл бұрын

Most have failed to understand Psalm 150 as well. Here is a sermon that clears away the fog! www.reformedvoice.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1206111121

Piper misrepresents the RPW in this video. Why does it seems that RPW rejectors always misrepresent RPW?

The instruments in the Old Testament where not used in corporate worship, until God commanded them to do so. God must command, we do not assume.

@prussianeagle1941

3 жыл бұрын

So where in the New Testament does God tell us to worship Him with musical instruments? The only thing I've seen is singing and making melody in our hearts? If you could give me verses that specifically tell us to worship with instruments?

@prussianeagle1941

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nemopoly I can't imagine either. Whoever said I didn't agree with you that the key is to worship? And yes our voice technically classifies as an instrument, but we are talking about physical musical instruments made of wood, metal or animal skin. Pretty easy concept to grasp dude.

Remember when Black and Brown people used their harmonious gifted voices to praise and worship the LORD. such a beautiful sound to Our FATHER. then satan sent his children the immigrants or caucasusians and then death blood hate wrath and evil saturated our nations confusion Regardless My GOD is the author and finisher

@jncon8013

8 ай бұрын

LOL

Since soooooo many don’t understand....Let me explain it in a parable for you. Playing musical instruments is like unto a scratch off lottery ticket; you could be right or you could be wrong, the question is are u willing to bet your soul on it.... It’s a gamble I’m not going to participate in. Playing musical instruments has problems on so many levels I could just about start a video on the topic by just showing interviews with people who do play at non-church of Christ congregations. I’ve heard of problems from “the band/drums/guitar/piano too loud or the instruments out of tune”...”such & such timing was off a little & it messed the other guy up”... “ little girl seeking to grow up & aspire to the role of piano player & then getting beat out of the spot by a new girl who’s “better”..... “someone saying in a vain manner, I think so n so should practice their instrument more”..... Well I suggest practice studying the Bible more! I could tell you wayyyy more because I’ve been told by the very ones who Play the musical instruments themselves; hence at a minimum at the church of Christ we don’t have any of the above noted instances

@gavinbeard4026

2 жыл бұрын

I see your point I do but instruments aren’t going to send you to hell 🤣

@BRYLproductions

9 ай бұрын

If one believes in a world with sin, your point re: drama related to music with instruments and without are not valid. All things not named Jesus Christ are tarnished and stained. It's prideful and arrogant to say that non-instrument music doesn't come with issues. (The Church of Christ in our community has a LONG history of pastoral sin, trauma and struggles). I have a hard time believing that Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Handel etc. - all Christ-followers who were reading the same Bible and probably studying more than most of us - not to mention they were historically a lot closer to the original church - were doing anything other than composing instrumental music to glorify God. Another point - Jesus read the Psalms and he also made many comments about Old Testament behavior vs. the new way of things ie: 'You have heard it said... but I say to you..." It seems like if it was his new way to do away with instruments, like the ones mentioned in the Psalms, one of the Gospel writers would have been inspired to quote him on it.

@bm-outdoors

8 ай бұрын

@@gavinbeard4026uzza was killed for simply stabilizing the ark

@gavinbeard4026

8 ай бұрын

@@bm-outdoors what does that have to do with instruments

@bm-outdoors

8 ай бұрын

@@gavinbeard4026 if God killed uzza for a noble intention, you don’t think he would condemn someone for false worship?

Yes.

Satan is the author of confusion. If singing in church worship with musical instruments, affected our salvation or somehow was not God's will, don't you feel there would have been a specific instruction to that effect in the commandments or in the Bible? The voice box is an instrument in itself. God did not give us any warning against so many things that are

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right. Satan is the author of confusion. God did give specific instructions. "In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee." Heb. 2:12 the word sing in the Greek is psallo which means to produce music vocally. Same word used in Eph. 5:19. The command is to sing and sing with grace (Col. 3:16), not a mechanical instrument. Take Noah for example, God told him to build an ark out of gopher wood. God didn't tell him not to use oak, mesquite, or pecan etc. Because Noah was a righteous man, he did all that God commanded him. Shouldn't we follow the example of Noah and be righteous by doing what God commands? The command is to sing. Don't go beyond what is written. 1 Cor. 4:6

@Rage502

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmcc-lt3lk I don't disagree with you at all, as I believe acapella worship to be in accordance with Eph. 5:19, however, I believe your definition of "psallo" is incorrect. A quick search reveals the following definition: to pluck off, pull out; to cause to vibrate by touching, to twang . to touch or strike the chord, to twang the strings of a musical instrument so that they gently vibrate ; to play on a stringed instrument, to play, the harp, etc. The Church of Christ generally believes this to be in reference to the vocal chords and supports this idea by completing the verse "singing and making melody in your heart ", though I'm not so sure it's that simple. A stronger case for acapella worship can be made by citing the examples of the early church. While these examples cannot be viewed as authoritative, they can be used to gain some level of understanding of how the early church (whom lived in the context by which the original letters were written) interpreted this teaching. It's an interesting study to be sure or we wouldn't still be having it some 2,000 years later! As for the Noah argument, you are correct, any other type of wood would not have been in accordance with the will of God. But what about nails and glue? They weren't explicitly stated to be used but I'm sure Noah used some form of these to complete the ark. Did he add to God's word? Certainly, not. The Church of Christ would call these "expedients" to fulfill the command and I would agree, but I think the argument could be made that instruments are also expedients given the correct definition of the word Psallo.

I say if you want to do music, than do like they did before rock concerts became the norm. Place those people behind a wall where no one can see them and let them play there. Too many vain people.

So soft spoken lol

Trying to be nice..instead of right..i see? Well God says to sing praises in the Bible.. Read your Bible..sir.

@nikia5974

4 жыл бұрын

So basically, destroy all my instruments and repent for playing the flute, trying to make music that was non secular? Okay, gotcha.

@prussianeagle1941

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikia5974 Seems you blew your cap off hahaha, nice raging.

@abbieC88

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikia5974 keep doing what you've been doing. Do not let others discourage you.. God blessed you with a gift. Use it to praise him.

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@abbieC88 God will not accept any kind of praise. We should obey the command...which is to sing in the New Testament church. Show me the command to play an instrument please.

@BRYLproductions

9 ай бұрын

And the command to not use instruments? @@jmcc-lt3lk

We no more need a musical instrument to help us carry a tune in worship than we need the ox to carry the Ark of the covenant! It seemed like a good idea to some & when the ox stumbled....they found out...

@boomsy3276

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@EliFuller20

2 жыл бұрын

That's a very uneducated thing to say, if u were to go to Africa where much of the music is in odd time, you wouldn't be able to keep up with their culture, are they wrong for singing in a way that you may not be able to follow? Now if they clap and stamp their feet to keep tempo and timing are they now wrong for that musical Accompaniment?

@mam0lechinookclan607

2 жыл бұрын

but they sound pretty cool

@jmcc-lt3lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@EliFuller20 that's actually not uneducated. The example came from the Old Testament. God gave orders not to touch the ark of the covenant. Uzzah did, and God killed him. We are given orders to sing in the Lord's church. Anything else is in violation of the command.

@EliFuller20

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmcc-lt3lk that's not the issue there. To say anything apart from that is wrong is a very vague statement. Cause then we get to how should we sing. Monophony homophony or polyphony. Odd time, or even time. Which notes? The early church would have only sung certain intervals as time went on those intervals changed due to culture. The early church thought that the tritone interval was the devil's interval and was not used in church because that's what western world did with music at the time. While other cultures created more complex rhythmic and harmonic music. What I'm saying is that we must really consider the context of Paul's teaching. Must also understand that it was the norm to sing uncompannied music in the European world that time and just sing. Could he possible have said that because it was norm and culture of the time? If he was in Africa preaching would he tell them to sing less rhytmically and more like the European culture? He was preaching in India would he tell them to not use pedals and drones in worship? There's way more to it than just singing. Context must be applied to understand it fully.

Wackiness

double minded man