Are we living in the end times? 👀🤷🏻‍♂️🔔 kzread.info/dash/bejne/amqLvJpmotDVc7g.htmlsi=hwREmkxM3nMz3u30

@redemption-leadership

Ай бұрын

Haha! Another loaded statement. In the Biblical sense, yes, and as far as I can tell, they have been going for 2000 years.

@alantasman8273

Ай бұрын

The scriptures contains some 2,500 prophesies of which some 2,000 have come about exactly as foretold. Some 400 of these were about Jesus the Christ. Going by the number of fulfilled prophesies, we are about 80% there.

@BentIronBins

Ай бұрын

Yes we are but do you believe we are living in the millennial reign ive heard both sides now im not sure 🤔

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

We are certainly closer that ever before. Signs in the sky among other places.

I love Tim’s phrase “the literal meaning of a text is what the author was trying to convey”. I think we should literally dump the word literally. As for me, I think creation is a bit like the end times, there are holes in every theory. I am a leaky creationist who thinks that there is far more being said in Genesis than how long the days were, who doesn’t believe in the rapture and believes the end times started when Jesus ascended; what saddens me, is that so often there is unkindness from people on different sides, when we are all family. Keep up the good work chaps 👍🏼

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

Literal does not mean “what the author was trying to convey”, literal means the text means what it says and there is no need for interpretation.

@ThembaMaselane

Ай бұрын

Say that again thank you leaky creationist that describes me at this juncture 😂😂

@redemption-leadership

Ай бұрын

@@ThembaMaselane, I'm not alone! 😄To my mind, the theological truths come first, but I find the Genesis genealogies convincing, even if they are not complete. I cannot buy into evolution from a scientific, mathematical perspective, let alone a theological one, but then the six days, if they are more than poetry, mean that time would have been entirely different from today until day four. I do think the mystery is something to be celebrated rather than it dividing us.

@redemption-leadership

Ай бұрын

@@wardrobegirl67 But Jesus told us to hate our parents. We understand that he was demanding that we be loyal to him first and then love our parents. That is why we look for the meaning the author wanted to convey, especially as language and culture have changed. Go well 😊

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

@@redemption-leadership hate means not preferred and He was speaking of loving Him before anyone else, this has nothing to do with a literal Genesis.

Wow! I've been reading the Bible for decades and am very much a fan of the theologians you regularly highlight... but I've never seen those Genesis 1-2 ideas woven into those New Creation chapters from Ezekiel. That's awesome. I love that. Thanks!

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

I really love that portion as well. Glad it made an impact for you. Praise God!

Thank you! May I ask for another thing? People have probably always believed that they were living in the very last days? Since the Gaza- Israel war started many people really say that about the current days aswell. Can you do an episode on that too? With Heiser, Wright and other theologians that you trust? For example on: - Did Jesus talk about the end of days or about the Jerusalem temple when the disciples asked " when will this happen? What signs will there be?" Another, but connected question is the role of Israel in the last days. The geographical area of Israel in the old testament included todays Israel, the Gaza strip, the west bank, Jordan the country and some more land. What does the Bible say about the geographical size of Israel when Jesus returns? And a third topic: There are - finally- signs of an awakening! The Bible says that many, many loosing their faith is a sign that Jesus will soon return. Or does it? Does it also talk about others becoming christians at the same time? Can it be both ? I don't know. I'm avare of the political heat in these questions.😮 We now, more then ever, need to read the Bible ourselves and listen to people like Heiser and Wright who peel of layers of cultural, political and religious miss readings through thousands of years. Listen to them and then think for yourself! Does what they're saying make sense? To know that us ordinary christians need to put in the work of studying the Bible- not just read it. It's interesting, fun and more rewarding than most people think.😁

@kobblekraftka0kao29

Ай бұрын

I'm sorry, but Dr Heiser passed away.

@atirblum

Ай бұрын

@@kobblekraftka0kao29 Yes, I meant his teachings on video.😊

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

For answers on this check out-kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKKg2Md-eLm2Zqw.htmlsi=Njug6kA5ZO6TD6F-

@brendaevans1378

Ай бұрын

Jesus was definitely talking about the Temple the destruction of the Temple in AD 70 period✝️🙏💯🤗

Tremendous content! My father in law and I sat down and watched this. Looking forward to more communion with the Lord by learning more from this blessed content. Thank you all so much for your hard work and dedication.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

That sure does bless my heart. Thanks for the inspiration and connection with the content ✌️🔔❤️

@jasonleveck8546

Ай бұрын

@@ringthembells143 Thank YOU, brother! Praise God.

Many good, scientific method, truth seeking scientists feel under attack by religion, even by Christians. Thank you for this episode.

Dr Heiser, thank you! 💖

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

I am a fan of Heiser but He missed this one. Genesis 1 is very clear. Heiser thinks the human author chose the words, I think Yahuah chose the words. I believe Yahuah gave the Torah to Moses word for word on the mountain.

@bobgriffith1810

Ай бұрын

@@wardrobegirl67 You believe it does not translate to missed it,,

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

@@bobgriffith1810 I don’t understand your comment.

@pattichapman7296

Ай бұрын

@@wardrobegirl67just because you think & you believe doesn’t make Heiser wrong. You could be wrong

Thanks so much for this video. It really makes so much more sense apologetically. I really love you channel.

In this case any of us can just interpret the bibble the way we want, how you just read as it is you can put your own meaning where it fits

Wonderful! Praise God! 🙏🙏❤️❤️

One of my favorite channels

Compare Genesis 1: 2 too Jeremiah 4: 23. In my opinion man tell man that God could not have anything more complicated in the creation account than what a simplistic understanding of the account would yield. Is likely short sighted. i don't have a problem when someone says that is just how i see it and i don't want to try to make it more complicated. It bothers me greatly when someone tells everyone else, they are not permitted to look deeper than the simple view. The Bible is the word of GOD. The creator of all. It is full of complexity, mysteries, and nuance.

Also See: Concise Overview of the Critique of Jesus of Nazareth

"If the Bible describes ancient near-east cosmology, why don't we believe in a firmament and that the earth is flat? What basis do we have to say we don't have to believe it?" This question was asked by a flat-earther, and could very well be asked by an atheist, and it bothers me.

@JosiahTheSiah

Ай бұрын

The question you could ask back is, "Does the Bible teach it, or does God's word use the language of the day to communicate God's truth?" It's not strict dichotomy, but scripture is full of examples where God accommodates, condescends, and makes provisions for a people who lack understanding. We are *really* good at being chronological snobs. We should check ourselves for our own lack of understanding, and recognize that God's word is still an accommodation for a humanity that needs his truth.

@Needassistance

Ай бұрын

People over complicate the Bible. It really is meant to be read and studied, but can be understood by the most common of people. We should trust the word when it says something directly like the nature of the cosmos and our place within it. Earth is flat. People have this idea that modern science is infallible when literally every scientific paradigm every 100 years completely changes. It literally never stays the same. The bible however has stayed true and will until the end of time.

@JosiahTheSiah

Ай бұрын

@@Needassistance Another flat earther in the wild! If you don't mind me asking, if earth is flat, how do you explain lunar phases as viewed from the north vs south hemispheres (since the moon appears to rotate to eventually be "upside down" relatively as you move from south to north over the equator)?

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

Just send them this video ✌️🔔

@ayobithedark2772

Ай бұрын

@@Needassistance the problem is that I know the earth is not flat, if the Bible claims it is, then it's making a false claim. Do you believe there is an ocean above us as well? And that there is a transparent dome covering us? Do you believe people could build a tower to heaven and break a hole in the dome?

Interestingly, Hieser is departing from his own hermeneutic. He is telling us how we should read and understand the texts, but he is not telling us how these texts would have been understood by those to whom these texts were given. I would suspect that the original hearers of these texts would have taken them literally.

@michaelbrickley2443

Ай бұрын

Do the homework….the opinions vary depending on who you’re looking into. Dr. Heiser has quite the extensive amount of lectures and his own Naked Bible Podcast. By the way, he passed from pancreatic cancer last year. (I only mention as any clarity regarding his thoughts on these matters is only available through what has already been done) shalom

@markcarlton9103

Ай бұрын

@@michaelbrickley2443 I have read the Unseen Realm, and I have listened to many of his videos. So I am familiar with him and have profited from his ministry. I was also saddened to hear of his passing. However this does not mean that he is immune from criticism, and if I had an opportunity to talk to him one-on-one, I would offer this same critique (I would not confront him in public, I think that is rude). I think he has done this in other instances as well. It is hard for us to stay in that ancient Jewish mindset, no matter how we try, and sometimes, he brought 21st-century thoughts into his teaching. FYI, I happen to agree with the point he made in this video. and may use his argument myself in the future. However, it is really a modern apologetic rather than an explanation of how an ancient Israelite would have understood the creation stories. If Dr. Heiser was still with us, I think he might acknowledge that the ancient Israelites took the creation accounts literally. I say this because he seems to me to have been a very humble man in spite of his great learning.

Really amazing Mashup of scholarly thought! Good job!

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Subscribe for more and help us spread the good news❤️✔️🔔

In your intro, what do you mean by “the uncreated world”? Thank you

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

The state of the world (chaos waters) before creation ❤️✔️🔔

Might I pose three questions? 1) Is Genesis 3 literal? 2) Do we know it by tradition (partly or exclusively oral) from Adam to Moses? 3) When in the general Deep Time scenario would you pose Adam's existence?

@delbert372

Ай бұрын

William Lane Craig just wrote a sizable book on the historical Adam, and much of the material in the book is available here on KZread in interviews…long story short, he puts the historical Adam around 750,000 years ago.

@hglundahl

Ай бұрын

@@delbert372 Yes, which avoids some of the worse evils, like about God "being cruel to child Adam" but on the other hand leaves no historic connexion between the Genesis 3 event and Moses writing the account.

Is there an episode 2?

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

There sure is. kzread.info/dash/bejne/e4OH0paDiNLfh7Q.htmlsi=-h8oBKWMek8WvEYw And I am just putting the finishing touches on episode 3. The finale will be entitled “creation culture wars and the biblical Adam”

"Language and culture are inseparable." Odd how when I was learning any other ancient language this was emphasized, but when it came to the Hebrew Torah professors dodged the issue. I love Wright's distinction between concrete and abstract!

The idea of all dinosaurs being so old seems to be in question. Soft tissue has been found in dinosaur bones. That could not have existed for millions on years. There are dinosaur foot prints with human foot prints in Texas. There are still a lot of unknowns.

@abaker4692

Ай бұрын

I've grown up seeing those steps.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

@@abaker4692 How cool is that.

fascinating sir - well done the phrase that comes to mind is.. "you are hitting above your weight"

Great Job!

Sadly many Christians here are trying to shoehorn deep time into creation when the scriptures leave no room for it. Exodus 20:11 clearly states 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. The scriptures clearly state that everything was created during the creation week. On day seven, God rested as an example for man to rest and keep the sabbath day holy. God did not tell man to rest for millions or billions of years ..but to rest for a literal 24 hr. day...the word Yom is used and illustrated in context. The scriptures further say that death and disease came about as the result of the original sin committed by Adam some time after his creation on day six. God in his word also provides the full genealogy of Adam to Jesus otherwise why did he even bother to put it in Genesis and elsewhere in the scriptures. From this genealogy, we derive that the Earth was created a little over 6,000 years ago. Suggesting that there is deep-time in scripture is unbiblical. We either believe or deny God's word in whole. We certainly do not try to shoehorn into the scriptures what is not found in them.

@ogre2076

Ай бұрын

Here's the rub, what most of us run into is called the observer problem. When God brought form to the void and unformed, what do you think it would look like if there's only one dimension of time? There would be an impression of age. This impression of age is the only way that our realm can contain the image of higher order creation. If the Divine Council was present at the creation of our realm, then doesn't it make sense that they, too, have their own origin story and that many, if not all of what we consider to be fundamental is actually derivative functions of higher order creation? The supposed age of our reality is really just the only way these higher realms can inform ours. This is the only way that I can reconcile our observations with scripture. It not only works for creation but it creates a new way of thinking about dark matter and the weird quantum function that plants use during photosynthesis.

@abaker4692

Ай бұрын

Best reply in here.

@blacksheep6888

Ай бұрын

Six days God created everything and on the seventh day He rested

If you fulfill the sermon on the mount (Matthew 5- 7) by being like Jesus Christ in every facet of life, you’ll do well.

@steveclark8538

Ай бұрын

Jesus teachings and examples ? They often contradict. So, all Christians cherry pick. See: Concise Overview of the Critique of Jesus of Nazareth

@campparsonssundayschool7844

Ай бұрын

@@steveclark8538 They do appear to contradict by design if you don’t have the Spirit of God to lead and guide you into all truth. John 16:13

I learned that the first Genesis Creation account is in a genre called "royal chronicle" and is thus about a mighty king's great accomplishment. As that genre it can be read as YHWH conquering darkness and the abyss by pushing them aside and establishing His own realm. I'd love to ask these guys about that perspective! Also we discovered that there were ancient scholars who saw millions upon millions of years in that Creation account; in fact they practically gave a layman's description of the Big Bang centuries before Copernicus!

Where does Tim get his language for Psalm 74:12. I checked the KJV, NASB, and the English Septuagint and nowhere does it say darkness (tohu va vohu, around the 25:43 mark) on which he bases an argument. I’m not against Tim but this is confusing.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

He’s comparing it to the language used in genesis, he’s not saying that’s the exact wording. Tim is an expert Hebrew Bible scholar and can literally read straight from the Hebrew and translate🎯✌️🔔

It's unfortunate you syncretize Biblical truth with big bang myth.

@urablahblah

Ай бұрын

The discovery of the cosmic background microwave radiation and the formulation of the big bang theory were done by Christians. They were so excited to have found compelling evidence of the beginning of time because the leading cosmology of the day was an infinite steady state universe. Atheistic scientists were highly threatened by the big bang theory because it undermined their belief that there was no start to time and therefore no time-starter.

Love that line, God does know science pretty well

Like Heiser and the other guy, but they gave some convoluted answers to whether Genesis should be taken literally. Seems to me you should take it for what it says and not try to over complicate it

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

All of these men have chosen to believe modern scientists over Yahuah. Their contorting and confounding of language and intent is an embarrassment to Christians.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

My question is do you know what it says? Do you read Hebrew, Greek, etc? Have you studied the ancient cultures? Do you know how each language evolved over hundreds of years so that you understand precisely the original languages in all their nuances and literary devices? My guess is not. Nor have I. It would be nice if it were so simple. The basics are. God made the world and the universe and He was delighted with it in the beginning. And He loves us humans...alot.

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

@@mare_sheep9724 we have lexicons and Hebrew dictionary helps, Greek is irrelevant in this case. Michael Heiser read and understood several ancient languages and he came to the same conclusion as I do. The only difference is I believe what Genesis says and Heiser uses the “Genesis is not a science book” reasoning.

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

There was no ancient Hebrew word for universe. The concept of a universe did not exist until Copernicus.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

@@wardrobegirl67 Yes you are correct. My word choice is an example of current culture. But my guess is you knew what I was talking about. And regarding Heiser there is so much to respect. And that you believe in a literal 24 hour day is of course valid. As is his perspective. None of us where there nor did we live in the varied cultures. But my guess is we can agree that God The Almighty and His precious Son created the world and all that he mentioned, He was happy with His handiwork and He loves mankind and has sought our restoration.(salvation) Best to you.

I think people just can't make sense of jesus dying if Adam wasn't a person that existed

There are so many assumptions being made about things like how things "really" came into existence, that I wonder if this is even a creator God being spoken of at all. To illustrate; How do we humans create things in the little digital time/space continuums we can now generate? If a flight simulator for example, needs some updating of a simulated actual airport and it's surroundings. Do we generate little digital construction workers to build new structures we want to appear in the simulation? Do we plant little digital seeds and water them with digital water to eventually get some more trees that match the actual trees that have grown substantial since the original simulation entered pilot training usage? Of course not, so why exactly would God having similar capabilities within His Creation, to what we have in ours, not be at least considered possible? What kind of a God is this that can only do things as some humans happen to think things "really" came to be as they are? That's what scientists have done. It's their best guess IF it wasn't created by a God. And hey, we even speak things into existence in ours (using computer lingo : ) I think there was light, and the evening and the morning were the first day...

I have to comment on the "apples and oranges" meme . . . Trying to make the Bible talk science isn't apples and oranges, it's more like apples and orangutans -- not even in the same realm!

I have heard that the word "literal" doesn't exist in either ancient Hebrew or ancient Greek. If that is true, then the concept didn't exist.

Not at all. That humans are still even debating this in 2024 kinda says it all. Stop following ANE beliefs that stretch back into the Bronze Age. Think for yourself.

There is nothing wrong with using the term science if it does not differ negatively from scripture . Science means knowledge, and God wants us to know. Another thing is that atheists use the word science for their purposes. Many claim that planet Earth is millions of years old. For my part, I cannot affirm or deny it, since before the six creative days began, there was a planet flooded with water, and I do not know the time of the existence of the aquatic planet. Maybe it was millions or maybe days, I don't know. For God a thousand years are like one day.

@markb3786

Ай бұрын

For God a billion years is like half a second

Genesis 1&2 are the what, the why and the who… it is not the how

Dinosaurs are by-and-large not what you’ve been told to believe. Certainly not as old as you’ve been told. Stories of these types of animals have existed throughout all human history, and sightings have been recorded throughout the Middle Ages and up until the late 1700s.

This entire video was frustrating and disappointing. Aside from being lectured about their craft, no one simply addressed the apparent contradictions. Instead I feel their point was we’re silly to ask.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching ✌️

@mavirek

Ай бұрын

@@ringthembells143 Well then not again.

Background noise is distracting!

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

Sorry you don’t like that. It’s really only in the transitions and I love it. Hope you can find a way to still love us✌️❤️🔔

While I'm with Dr Heiser on his intent I'm stark with the reality that if the Bible has nothing to say on the how and when of Creation does that not allow for explanations that are antithetical to the truth of God being the creator.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

Yes it does allow but there will always be people who are antithetical as you say. It is a position of those who oppose God no matter what is written in the Bible. Do we not look for the truth in His wonderful works and words? Some do not.

Science is the study and description of God's creation. The age of the universe is a statement about the creator's power because there isn't an alternative if it was created in six days.

Heiser: "God let the writers write according to their knowledge, using whatever literary devices or techniques that their readers would understand. Why did He do that? Well, because God wanted the original readers to grasp the truth of who the Creator was. We undermine that, being modern people, undermine that, and we make the Bible vulnerable to criticism when we impose modern questions and modern science on Genesis 1 and 2. We set the Bible up for a fall, to be blunt about it." That is nonsense. Ironically, it is Heiser setting up the Bible for a fall. He, as well as Mackie, have an implicit trust in modern science and so employ a false defense of the Bible by assuming they know God's intentions in how creation is described. It is incredibly arrogant, but it stems from a faith in science rather than the Bible.

Wow! I love you brothers in the Lord! , I love your attitude towards creation!, so right on! Definitely no hill there ! Lol ! Blessiings , paul, yes, my mother named me after....thee apostle! Lol!

It sounds like you guys don’t believe the dinosaurs existed with man which is what secular scientist believe. So how do you describe the fact that we’ve found soft tissue in dinosaur bones?

There are “younger earthers” who will condemn you as blaspheming the character of God and undermining God’s Word because you don’t believe that the days of creation have to be literal 24 hour days. This was not true in the early church or with the early church fathers. There has never been a creed that required a Christian to believe that the days of creation were 24 hour days.

It is nice to see younguns take such interest in God's Word today. Please enjoy 1 comment I offer for you to please "enjoy" pondering fir just a moment. Gen. chapter 1 is clearly written chronologically. It's how Grandpa can best understand. Chapter 2 obviously is not, it's more like Grandma can best understand. Example: Ned & Emma will travel together to my place, & need directions. I write on far left side of page. Ned 2nd st. turn right (N) On far right side of page I write Emma very short chain link fence painted silver turn right. then under Ned's colum I write Hix road turn left (W) under Emma's column I write after you see Mrs. Johnsons tulips, at least 3 colors should be still in bloom. turn left. On n on in this manner until I get them to my place. I can't tell you how many couples climb out of their cars all grins from ear to ear, with the shake of my hand from one & the biggest hugs from the other while carrying on about "those be the bestest directions we've ever follered". 😅😊 I wrote them directions for both audiences who I intended to reach. It's no great mystery my friends. Chapte 1 is, the facts just the facts son. Chapter 2 is the story telling mode where each detail is still correct but it's just fine to stop off & go into details (take notice of them lovely tulips) and we'll make all our point while tossing in a mention of this fact or that as supporting mentions along the way unhindered buy need of including every single fact already established in Chapter 1. Remember We already read all that & established those facts only moments ago. 😮😉 It's God's Holy Word written for all of us. Don't try n over think it, relax and enjoy the ride all the way till he gets you home to himself. 😘

Dr. Heiser would say that the serpent in Genesis wasn't a literal snake, and that the Jews understood that it wasn't, because "snakes don't talk." Yet, in Numbers 22:30 a donkey talks. Are we to understand that the donkey wasn't a literal donkey? There are a few things that I wish we could have asked him his opinion on before he went home to glory.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

He doesn’t address the specific point but he goes over the concept specifically inside the video. I don’t believe there’s any Other way than to let the text itself instruct us on what to think it is. The snake in the garden has much more allegorical features literarily than the donkey does in numbers. The donkey talking is a one off miracle of God and not a consistent marked phenomenon. So Heiser’s points still stands, Israelites would not have viewed a snake that could talk as a literal possibility for the narrative. Hope that makes sense. Please watch the video and let me know what you think✌️❤️🔔

@BrotherBearBarras

Ай бұрын

@@ringthembells143 I've yet to meet a Jewish person who doesn't think it is a literal snake. I guess we just have to chalk it up to more opinion than concrete objective fact.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

@@BrotherBearBarras I think either side looking at the other side saying they have the concrete side of this concept is the first sign of trouble✌️🔔❤️

@Strongtower

Ай бұрын

⁠There's clips of Heiser showing that serpent could also be translated as "Shining one". This is how the ISV translates Genesis 3.

@BrotherBearBarras

Ай бұрын

@@Strongtower "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." - Revelation 12:9

Seems like genesis is about “why” we have seven day weeks not that god created a day today, tomorrow,next day and did this or that to make a day. Seems like an explanation as for why seven not ten or 14 or whatever day. And also about how our god is more powerful than ur cause u worship tree,mountain,lightning and our god made that stuff.

These men are correct, the Bible is not a science textbook, it is more than that, it is the word of Yahuah. He is the creator of everything human science tries to explain.

No the two were written by different people from different part that's why the two stories contradict each other

Is Creation Literal? -Ep.2 What about Kangaroos?

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

😂✌️✔️

Heiser is grotesque... perverting the word continually 🤔 seems to me...of course I might be wrong...not likely though in this case

Wright said “the writers” chose the words and “the bits that came together to form Genesis”. He obviously doesn’t believe Yahuah wrote it. This is a problem.

@ThembaMaselane

Ай бұрын

Missing the point.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

Perhaps the difference is in how you understand how He wrote, the method(s) and people He used to write down His Words.

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

@@mare_sheep9724 whether Yahuah wrote with his finger, Ten Commandments, or “downloaded” the information directly to men, or guided men to write His words, it doesn’t matter. The point is the Bible is the inerrant word of Yahuah. All scripture is Yahuah breathed and suitable for doctrine, correction, etc. We either believe it or we don’t.

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

@@ThembaMaselane Wright is missing the point. All scripture is Yahuah breathed. Believe it or disbelieve it but don’t try to change it or say it doesn’t mean what it clearly says.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

God used Human authors. Divine tablets did not fall from the sky. God didn’t zap humans and All of the sudden they started writing. God spoke in a specific time and place and used a specific people group to declare truth. He did not try to clean up everything they didn’t know. He spoke truth through what they did know. God’s supreme wisdom is not limited to the Bible or to the people who wrote it✔️❤️🔔

God rests after Genesis 1 but NOT after Genesis 2. In Genesis 1 the earth, waters, firmament, sun, moon, plants, animals and humans created are all spirits being created in Heaven. The days are days in Heaven because the spirit for our sun is not created until the 4th day. These spirits are being prepared to be given a physical part. In Genesis 2 the breath of life (the spirit of Adam) is joined with the dust of this earth. This is NOT a different version of Genesis 1:27 where two things do not come together. This is the beginning of the human spirits created in Genesis 1 being given a physical part. So we do not have an account of the original creation of our physical earth and universe. Since God is eternal, our earth and universe can be as old as valid evidences show.

Why would God lie about His beautiful creation? There are hundreds of verses referring to a stationary, flat realm, enclosed by a dome firmament. This theology denies the truth of the Scriptures. How do these learned men distinguish between poetic and literal? Sounds arbitrary , and like they’re afraid of the opinions of man.

Because these are copies of copies of copies

First you guys gotta prove there's a god or God's

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

No offense, but I don’t have to prove anything to you. If God is real that is His job. If you openly pray and ask God to show Himself to You, buckle up HE WILL

God not only wanted to convey to all humanity that He created, He also told us how He created everything in six days with each day having an evening and a morning (yes, “literal” 24-hour days, despite all your semantics on that word). Insisting that God only wanted to convey that He created and not how He created is only a ploy to then infuse human ideas of deep time. It is also disingenuous. This video is really another channeling of the serpent’s lie in Genesis 3:1 “…Did God actually say…?”.

1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth-- 2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, 3 and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. 4 And God seeth the light that it is good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness, Young's literal translation

The bible is not a science book but....if you look at it with a scientific eye you may understand it a bit more. In 2024 we know of time dialation when moving near the current speed of light, extreme dialation at the speed of light. In my opinion Adam (modern human) was not created until after the 7th day of rest because thats is what the bible says, man KIND (what became neanderthal,denesovian, etc,etc) was made during the 7 days of creation...depending on how fast god was creating compared to the speed of light would determine the amount of time that passed within the creation...if god was creating at 10 times the speed of light then in 1 earth day the creation would experience 2 billion years..this leaves plenty of "time" for star formation planet formation and evolution....

We only know the things we do not know. But refrain to convince others with our own interpretations that is not in the Bible. These human traditions outside of the scriptures were made to cause confusion & deception by false preachers.

It’s a work of fiction. Nice story telling like Harry Potter . The known visable universe is 13.2 billion years old - the beginning is not known. The idea that we have a “ creator “ is for the weak minded and insane.

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

Or it’s for the kindhearted and hopeful of which you are neither. I’m sorry for whatever happened or whoever hurt you. Jesus is King of this world and actually cares about making things right with you if you are interested.

@tma2001

Ай бұрын

well nearer 13.7 but yeah the NT is obviously fan-fiction. Still it was an interesting listen of apologists trying their best to polish a turd. The mental gymnastics were a sight and sound to behold - they should apply to the IOC for a new category!

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

We are all weak relatively and sanity can be altered with illness, chemicals, and experiences among other things. Frankly we can't even get along with out the local sanitation guy showing up. Cockiness is short sighted.

What guys is saying makes sense if God knows everything he make sure to tell to write in way that would last time any time, that book I stupid and the men who wrote were stupid so God is stupid

Dr heiser and others constantly fall into the same trap. They think the person who wrote the creation account was an less intelligent person who just didn’t know any better.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

Dr. Heiser is incredibly articulate with a great body of knowledge about these cultures of ancient times and languages. Intelligence is not the factor. It is the body of knowledge they had at the time. They did not understand electricity, chemistry, cell phones, or biology, how plants grow, the functions within a cell or a myriad of other things. They did not have airplanes. It doesn't make them less intelligent. They did understand that there were laws, boundaries and parameters at work in the universe and on the earth. This is their way of articulating these ideas about God with their current understanding. It doesn't make the scriptures less true or authentic. There are probably ideas communicated with the scriptures that we in our age are totally missing because we are not reading it in the original languages and we have a limited understanding of the cultures they were written in.

@tookie36

Ай бұрын

@@mare_sheep9724 that is my point exactly. One doesn’t need to know chemistry to commune with god or come up with the creation story. It’s a truth. Whoever first articulated that story was just some guy interpreting data from his culture. He had direct communication with the divine and the creation story shows that. The guy who first articulated that was a brilliant mind tuned into god. An example would be someone like Galileo. He was a lot smarter than 99% of todays minds 😂 just because our culture is advanced doesn’t mean you can compare individuals the same. And when you do the story gets lost in translation.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

@@tookie36 I think I see what you are saying. My disagreement would be with your statement about the guy and data. I would say that those inspired by God would present their information/story thru their language and cultural understandings. We live in such a different culture and understanding of history and language than most of the history of mankind. So our understanding of 'literal', 'factual', 'true' is within our own present understanding. And to your point about not 'needing' to know chemistry, etc. I would say that ones body of knowledge greatly affects how one presents ideas. I think the thing many people fear is that by acknowledging that how we modern people read, understand and articulate the ancient text must only be a specific way or we are some how discrediting God, not believing His Word, or some how blaspheming. But the scriptures are full of many ways that truths about God and His plans are conveyed, parables, plays, art, design, story and song as well as literary devices and prophecy are all used. We try too hard to put God in a box that fits our limitations. But He is way bigger than us. Thanks for chatting with me. There is a lot to think about. I am just very glad the God loves us!

@tookie36

Ай бұрын

@@mare_sheep9724 I agree:) it just seems like when reading scripture many go into it thinking “I know more than this author bc I live in 2024” and that’s a huge mistake. The creation accounts are remarkable and speak so loudly to our current direct reality and it just seems like people read it as a thing that may have happened between 6000 and 14 billion years ago lol

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

@@tookie36 Yes, I think what is most obvious is that it did happen. We will find out when we can ask the question directly.

All lies !

@ringthembells143

29 күн бұрын

What a comprehensive and thoughtful contextual review of the entire scope of the series. Thanks for watching🌎✌️❤️

Wait. Tim believes we’re on a sphere? 🤯 Look, I’m not claiming that I have figured out what we are on, but if the last four years have taught me anything, it is that we are definitely not on a spinning ball moving around the sun. I don’t vibe with NASA scripture.

@JosiahTheSiah

Ай бұрын

The earth isn't really a sphere, it's more of a rough ellipsoid. Also it's not spinning so much as wobbling and rotating.

@markb3786

Ай бұрын

@@JosiahTheSiah The Bible says the earth is flat and that the firmament holds back the water from above. This is the literal truth. If you are a Christian, you must believe this. God is not the author of confusion.

@abaker4692

Ай бұрын

Have you ever been in am airplane that goes high enough to see the curve? I have. It's curved.

@Alyosha12

Ай бұрын

@@abaker4692 this is a lie. Nothing disproves globe theory more than air travel. The truth will set you free. You have been deceived.

@JosiahTheSiah

Ай бұрын

@@markb3786 Well, if you're going for literalism, Bible says the earth is a circle, but it also says that the earth has four corners. Our God is a good father who accommodates his wisdom to his children's understanding. He uses cultural idioms, collective human imaginations, and poetic imagery to convey his truth. And he is the one who gets to decide how to do that-he is the wise one. And the truth he's communicating through the human transmission of scripture isn't that the earth is flat-that was already simply assumed by some of the Biblical authors. Just like they assumed your emotions came from your gut, and that the moon was itself a "light," rather than a body that only reflects the sun's light.

Adam had a university of trees to learn from. Adam wasn't deceived. Adam made a sacrifice. He is lifted up like the serpent. Though there is enmity between the two, to 'strike at' means to guard, watch over, or protect. Yahweh is greater than I. Yahweh judged the heavens and became the 'snake' (Shining One). Adam wields the fiery sword as the Lawless One/ Beast, judges the Earth, and becomes a worm. Are they unjust to inflict wrath? Of course not. How else could they judge. Transfigured, the Ancient Serpent of Old is revealed to be the Ancient One of Days. Transfigured, Adam is revealed to be the Christ. Christ is presented before the Ancient One of Days and, in a final gesture in his work of salvation, washes his feet. Arjuna becomes Job. The crucifixion story is imagery and prophecy for two appearances, the sacrifice (first beast) and the resurrection (second beast). They take place within the same generation, at the end of the ages, the time of the harvest. Adam wields the fiery sword on the Day of vengeance AS judgment, laying down his life in a sacrifice for sin, andsetting up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another. Yahweh goes about in a tent of cloth. Adam was clothed from the nakedness of the day of judgment. They are with you always, until the end of the ages, when the sacrifice is made. Behemoth has a frame of iron and bones of bronze. Jacob/ Israel has the sky as iron and the earth as bronze. The Morning Star is fettered in iron and bronze. Leviathan considers iron as straw and bronze as rotted wood. Leviathan is given as food and drink. Earth is Yahweh’s Everlasting Lake of Fire, his furnace of roaring flames where, in his furious wrath, he will gather you up, put you in, and smelt you. If your name is not in the book of life, he will refine you, remove your dross, and purify you until the Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast are cleansed from you.

@abaker4692

Ай бұрын

Whatever are you talking about?

@quetzelmichaels1637

Ай бұрын

​@@abaker4692 If you are familiar with Arjuna, the consequences of war is corruption of the spirit. He then returns as Job wondering why he suffers for no apparent reason. The sacrifice is when Christ is made to be sin on the day of the wrath of the sacrificial Lamb. Yahweh judged the Gods themselves. Corruption of the spirit is a part of the fabric of the universe. They, Yahweh and Christ, did this; in hope that creation itself would be set free from slavery to corruption and share in the glorious freedom of the children of God. (Rom 8:20-21 NABO) The reason he needs the way of the Lord in the desert is because the day of vengeance AS judgment sets up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another. He then returns, within the same generation, as the scapegoat with the burden for sin placed on him. The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage: Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO) Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, so also Christ …will return Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) The horse of many colors or, aspects or, perspectives. Verses can be added according to context. White - The wine press I have trodden alone (Isa 63:3 NABO) Red - Do not think that I have come to bring peace (Mat 10:34 NABO) Black - Scales of judgment Pale Green - Christ rising up from the Abyss - all of Hades is at his heel - to 'strike at' the heel or head is to protect, guard, or watch over Do not say… 'Who will go down into the Abyss (nether world)?' (…to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) We saw his star (of Bethlehem) at its rising (Mat 2:2 NABO) Up from the Abyss (Rev 17:8 NABO) The star was called "Wormwood” (Rev 8:11 NABO) It was given the key for the passage to the Abyss. (Rev 9:1 NABO) I hold the keys to death and the netherworld (Abyss). (Rev 1:18 NABO) Its rider was named Death, and Hades accompanied him. (Rev 6:8 NABO) As the Lawless One, with all the power, signs, and wonders at the disposal of falsehood, and seeming to be a part of the workings of Satan, 2Thess 2:9-11, he leads them astray, as if with a bridle in the jaw of the people, on the day of the great slaughter, Is 30:25-28, having been given the power and rule, along with great authority of The Dragon as the First Beast/ Red Dragon, Rv 13:2, with seven heads and ten horns, Rv 12:3. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord (Jesus) will (Transfigure) with the spirit of the sword of his mouth and render speechless by his glorious radiance (2Th 2:8). When he rises against the prince of princes, he shall be broken without a hand being raised. (Dan 8:25 NABO) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (2Th 2:8 KJV) his face shone like the sun and his clothes became white as light. (Mat 17:2 NABO) If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master (Gen 4:7 NABO) Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:6-7 NABO)

It is incredibly disingenuous to argue that those who believe that the events of Genesis 1, themselves, are literal, are arguing that it is a scientific argument! We are not arguing that the literal interpretation of Genesis 1 is a scientific thesis! We are arguing that Genesis 1 is literal HISTORY! When our assertion that Genesis 1 is literal history is misportrayed as a scientific argument, it is a dishonest portrayal!

@ringthembells143

Ай бұрын

When you force the Bible to be making literal claims about the processes of creation you are forcing the Bible to be a science book. The Bible is not a science book. That was not its intention to give you these processes in a literal fashion. That’s the point of it and it is not disingenuous✌️❤️🔔

@Bildad1976

Ай бұрын

@@ringthembells143 Thanks for replying. Respectfully, what I'm saying is that believing in 6 literal 24hr days (as the scripture says) does not mean I'm forcing the scriptures into a scientific treatise. It means I believe it's an historical account, not a scienctific account. Compare GEN 1:3-31 with Exodus 20 where God Himself reiterates that Creation Week was Six Literal 24hr Days: 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, ... 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them," Clearly, I don't invoke science into an historical account (though those of us who believe in Six Literal Days are sometimes unfairly accused of forcing Gen 1 into a science mold when it's only historical. Thanks for listening.

@JosiahTheSiah

Ай бұрын

Creationists aren't monolithic. Some old-earthers blend "literal" readings the old testament with modern astrophysics. Don't assume you have the market cornered on literal readings 😉

@Bildad1976

Ай бұрын

@@JosiahTheSiah "have the market cornered"? Please elaborate.

@JosiahTheSiah

Ай бұрын

@@Bildad1976 it's a financial idiom that means to have control or possession of all or most of a commodity. The term is figurative here. I could restate as, "don't assume you speak for all those who interpret Genesis 1 literally."

If we believe Yahuah inspired the words of Genesis we must take it literally. If we do not take it literally we are left with 2 paradigms to choose from and both are bad. 1. Yahuah did not give the words of Genesis. If this is true, what else is not inspired? 2. Yahuah did give those words but He lied because ancient Hebrews could not understand the creation. These are both not tenable for a Christian. Let Yahuah be true and every man a liar.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

Not so. You are limiting God. He understood that mankind would grow in his knowledge of the world, that cultures would evolve, people would be creative, that literary devices would evolve. As the speakers say the scriptures were written with the understanding of the body of knowledge of the culture at the time of writing. Consider this: If you are a believer in Jesus as the Messiah do you have both of your arms, both of your eyes. My guess is you have sinned with an eye or an arm perhaps both. Because if you are being literal did you cut it off or cast it out? We have no example of the disciples doing that either. No, because Jesus is giving us an idea, an Idea of separating ourselves from things in our lives that could cause us to sin. Perhaps Jesus was conveying how serious sin is? So to follow Did Yahuah lie? No. He communicated thru humans who were writing to people in their own time and culture and language. He was communicating that He created all things with the understanding that people in various times in history would have access to different bodies of knowledge and understanding. But ultimately He is the All Mighty God and don't you forget it. And He delighted in his creation and He loves us.

@wardrobegirl67

Ай бұрын

@@mare_sheep9724 to try and compare the creation account to Yahusha saying to pluck out your eye is juvenile. No scholar believes Genesis 1 is a parable or allegory and no scholar believes we should pluck out our eyes for sinning. Discernment is necessary. The creation account was understood and believed by ancient hebrews. It was history and treated as such until centuries after Yahusha was here. This boils down to Christians choosing the scientific paradigm of modern scholars over the word of Yahuah. Spin it any way you choose but that is the crux of the matter.

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

Out of curiosity how do you understand Psalm 82?

@mare_sheep9724

Ай бұрын

@@wardrobegirl67 You are proving my point. You pick and choose how and when to discern the scriptures, when to be literal or legalistic when to use discernment, parables, symbolism or other linguistic tools to understand how Yahusha would convey ideas . A thought about the ancient peoples and the early understanding of creation and the earth...there were no Hebrews until God selected Abraham to be the father of His people. There was apparently writing/language before the flood and after. Cultures evolved and spread before the Jewish people ever were set apart. There is a historical record that exists of these cultures. About the scientific paradigm perhaps it would help if you defined that phrase. We choose the use of science all the time. You are using a computer which utilizes many aspects of science, perhaps you wear glasses, use a cell phone, drive a car, have a refrigerator. Science is not a dirty word. But what we both may oppose is when people use scientific information and or theory to dictate theology or bias against it. For better or worse individuals with all their best attributes and moral failings (like us) are in various scientific fields. Science is a method of understanding physical aspects of creation but can not define the Almighty Creator or things of the spiritual world. Glory to His Name. You might enjoy refining your position on a flat earth at this video. "Irrefutable Proof the Bible Doesn’t Teach Flat Earth"

@sandrasosnoski3338

Ай бұрын

Amen!

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