>AMD stuck in the past Meanwhile Intel: *cries in 14nm*

@Scytian1

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about 2 new generations of 14nm CPU's coming :D

@BunkerAnon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Scytian1 aren't we on three now with 10th Gen?

@hemventions

4 жыл бұрын

@Anon Bunka, 10th gen Intel desktop processors are on a 14 nm process, although 10 nm is speculated to be on 11th gen Intel desktop processors

@velimc52

4 жыл бұрын

Greentexting on youtube

@BunkerAnon

4 жыл бұрын

@@hemventions and that same went with 9nth and 10th. Their line needs to be fixed.

Summary: It doesn’t matter. Just don’t bend the pins. :)

@onion69420

4 жыл бұрын

Yeaaaaasah Got one that needed to be replaced because of damaged pins had to wait two more weeks

@TheDarkestPaladin

4 жыл бұрын

@@onion69420 yup , love how fan boys are fighting over this when all you have to do is not be an idiot and just not bend the pins

@TheRealJohnHooper

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why it matters..

@Smhallways

4 жыл бұрын

I once repaired an AMD proc with 40% of the pins bent, with an elementary school ruler and 10 minutes work. While with only 3 pins bent on an Intel motherboard I still can't get the second memory slot to work. "It should not matter to you". F-ing lol. What should then?

@pardonless

4 жыл бұрын

I remember when I wanted to buy FX-4300, shop staff said me that someone bent pins and I have to wait several days to get an intact one. Still use this CPU though, and it is still powerful enough

There another advantage why Intel takes LGA: Move the pin cost from Intel to motherboard manufacturers.

@Defy_Convention

4 жыл бұрын

This is the real reason.

@Xelialaidra

4 жыл бұрын

move cost to the board yet selling at the same price. that's pretty smart.

@Add8adamMC

4 жыл бұрын

@@Xelialaidra and Intel tends to be more expensive too haha

@paulghignon4092

4 жыл бұрын

There's not much of any cost difference. Anyone who makes this statement clearly doesn't know how CPU sockets are made.

@CuriousFrog

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulghignon4092 it's a joke you mong

>AMD stuck in the past >AMD is the only reason we still aren't using single core CPUs

@Drinnan

4 жыл бұрын

IBM would like a word with you

@thunderturbine8860

4 жыл бұрын

Lol true

@thunderturbine8860

4 жыл бұрын

3point1 lol! 😂😂😂

@JesusW4y

4 жыл бұрын

@Galaxy TS2 Kudos!

@ThatOnionispog

4 жыл бұрын

Given intel contracted them to make it its kinda intels as well

Me seeing title: is AMD stuck in the past Also me: of course theire stuck in the past they still think that gaming should be cheap and available to all Edit: wow 2.3 k likes thx people THEIRE awesome 😂😂😂

@saba7733

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@TheCerbron

4 жыл бұрын

"xd" moment

@apple-de8tx

4 жыл бұрын

Stop that me: format it's not funny and it ruins your comment, just comment normally like everyone else

@2Based23

4 жыл бұрын

@@apple-de8tx hmmm..... I think youre right thx

@timomenz6901

4 жыл бұрын

@Andrei Stanescu, you should have replied like this: Me: hmmmm... i think youre right thx

One thing Linus is the undisputed expert on … Damaging computer components. "Having drop tested both on many occasions…"

@acmenipponair

4 жыл бұрын

Every Hardware that survives a LTT review should have the logo on it: "Professional Drop-tested"

@dmv200

4 жыл бұрын

So.... Linus Drop Tips?

@TheN8ism

4 жыл бұрын

He’s missing a few many’s in there. I think 5 is about right. Many many many many many occasions. Yup. Feels correct.

@adruvitpandit5816

4 жыл бұрын

In a few years those skills will be useless as game streaming takes over. Game streaming is freaking awesome already and I am pretty sure in a few yrs it would be so great there would be no need to buy gaming hardware, thus no need for game hardware review channels.

@TheN8ism

4 жыл бұрын

Ravi M game streaming is NOT awesome already. You must not watch many of Linus’ videos. He recently reviewed all game streaming services available(xcloud, stadia, etc). He concluded, like many other tech content channels, that game steaming is bearable at best. There is still NOTICEABLE lag. Which means competitive gaming is still years and years away. Even IF those hurdles where gone today, unless you are 10 years old, there are MANY GPU and CPU intensive workloads across MANY fields and hobbies that will still require a descent desktop setup. CAD work, video editing, being a content streamer, just to name a few. Things remote game streaming services will NEVER touch. On top of that remote VR rendering is practically impossible.

This guy looks so much like Linus! Pls sub

@BrandonWestfall

4 жыл бұрын

But more mature and a ladies guy.

@Annathedouble00magna

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr but there's no way man... Impossible

@TheAssassin2299

4 жыл бұрын

This bearded imposter does have good points, though. Must be the twin brother...

@garbageman3992

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy looks so much like linus, AND this guy even hosts linus Teck tips KZread channel. Wow so similar!

@theguywhowasinparis4011

4 жыл бұрын

True, it is even scaring

My non-techy friend wanted to "clean the dust off his fan" so he "removed" it aka ripped out the entire cpu cooler WITH THE AMD CPU STILL ATTACHED then cleaned it and just PRESSED IT BACK ON without opening the socket or anything. Then he asked me why the pc wasn't booting up. I was in pain whilst he told me what he did, andas expected half the pins on the cpu were bent

@its_tunezz

4 жыл бұрын

Oh thats brutal murder . Go to jail

@christopherfortineux5421

4 жыл бұрын

on an Intel board he would have ravaged the whole socket of pins lol

@dzakyagnurabdullah1938

4 жыл бұрын

Your friend's a maniac man

@marksemple297

4 жыл бұрын

oh god that was more painful to read than watching the Ankle scene from Misery.

@benskyddd

4 жыл бұрын

how can you even do such thing lmfao. if you’re handling something you clearly don’t know how to handle you have to be at least 200 times more careful.

That shirt he's wearing makes it look like the port is vomiting

@lukefreeman828

4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was meant to?

@Pythonian7

4 жыл бұрын

Mr Man 306 no it’s just at the end of the fruit by the foot

@CalSniffsMilo

4 жыл бұрын

"ltt store.com"

@ML-gx9rp

4 жыл бұрын

It's colourful unicorn vomit 😂

@Emiichoco

4 жыл бұрын

@@CalSniffsMilo uh..

Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@zen6591

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@BigBossMonkeytE

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting I'd like to hear more and subscribe to the newsletter

@ansonx10

4 жыл бұрын

Stealing jokes from Strong Bad smh.

@mr.hi_vevo414

4 жыл бұрын

@@ansonx10 bruh I don't even know what strong bad is. It must have been good tho cause it's basically pop culture now cause I've seen it somewhere else before.

@Mavis847

4 жыл бұрын

It's yes actually, PGA on the cpu is trash.

In the rare event that you actually do manage to break a pin on a AMD CPU you can still take it to a jeweller and have them repair it good as new for a few tenners. Anything short of that is pretty easy to repair yourself with a bit of care.

@PotatotheTroll

4 жыл бұрын

A jeweler? that's actually a fantastic idea. I wouldn't have thought of that myself.

@herbderbler1585

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, I never considered that either, but that kind of repair does seem to be right in their wheelhouse. Any electronics-specific aspects of chip repair such as using static mats could be figured out fairly quickly and they now have a potentially lucrative new aspect to their business. Now I wanna find some local jewelers and ask if they do much business repairing small electronics.

@johnlv7060

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a jeweller with diamond settings skill and his microscope can fix it.

@himekosaesarchive4077

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlv7060 * jeweler replaces the missing pin with a gold one* "that'll be $100"

@francesfarmer3874

3 жыл бұрын

since diamonds are a great heattransmitter you could even ice out your new chip if you re already there

"is amd stuck in the past?" meanwhile intel: *whistles in 14nm++++++++++++++++*

@ZAINILEXTHE1ANDONLY

3 жыл бұрын

The AMD fanboys were ruthless in this video

@trn1446

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZAINILEXTHE1ANDONLY true

@nix294

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZAINILEXTHE1ANDONLY even phones have 7nm processor, Intel legit in the past.

@pleaseuseOdysee

3 жыл бұрын

I LIKE THICC FABS AND I CANNOT LIE

@lordium1848

3 жыл бұрын

And still intel can compete with amd even after all of their “innovations”

AMD : Makes 64 core CPU Linus : "Is AMD stuck in the past?"

@JavaJake123

4 жыл бұрын

Denzel Disk they also made a 128 core cpu

@silenceyouidiot

4 жыл бұрын

Weren't we making fun of more cores in a CPU back in the days of AMD Bulldozer?

@nextlifeonearth

4 жыл бұрын

@@silenceyouidiot The joke wasn't that there were more cores, the joke was that they were weak cores. Sticking more of those on one chip barely mattered at the time, because most workloads were badly threaded. If they had comparable cores to Intel at the time, more cores would have been a godsend.

@kylerclarke2689

4 жыл бұрын

Good joke if you ignore the entire point of the video

@Zyxusum

4 жыл бұрын

@@JavaJake123 When? Which one? Or do you confuse threads with cores? AMD indeed has 64c/128t cpus (epyc 7742, threadripper 3990x).

Still remember the first time I tried to fix my computer. Finished destroying an Athlon, like 15 years ago...

@ryanl7281

4 жыл бұрын

Might want to rethink the last part of your comment

@lrdsc

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanl7281 Repeated Ks are a laugh in some countries

@color_314

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanl7281 mostly Portuguese speaking countries

@papalouhc9704

4 жыл бұрын

F

@unicodefox

4 жыл бұрын

@@lrdsc and three definately are not in some others. unless you're laughing at black people

Is AMD stuck in the past? At the same time Intel: Look, we have 16 mb L3 cache in the top 9900k

@366nigeriandude8

4 жыл бұрын

right while the r9 3950x has 64 mb of l3 cache, isn't it weird that even an entry level amd cpu like the ryzen 3 3100 have 16 mb of cache xD

@da14a49

4 жыл бұрын

Intel: Sorry we don't do *cache* here

@spacy9571

4 жыл бұрын

@@366nigeriandude8 That cache has tons of latency, thata why they added so much of it

@prateekpanwar646

3 жыл бұрын

@@spacy9571 Wouldn't fitting more data reduce latency to wait till next data arrives in first place? It won't make much difference but when you use hyperthreading (SMT on AMD), It won't have to wait for next 16 mbs to arrive, It will just pass it to next core

@spacy9571

3 жыл бұрын

@@prateekpanwar646 i think so, thats why they added so much of it, but anyways buy ryzen

Clearly we should all transition back to card-mounted CPUs for ease of installation and cool factor

@javaguru7141

4 жыл бұрын

Pentium II gang

@Pidalin

4 жыл бұрын

Pentium III in slot were great, it had double cache memory and much better heat sink than was standard in that time. But I heard that problem with this is too long connection between cpu and ram.

@redd_rl

4 жыл бұрын

Clearly we should all transition back to using that asian kid in our class for cpu's

@Wileybot2004

3 жыл бұрын

Motherboards need to enter the 3rd dimension. I’m talking stacking daughter boards on top of the motherboard. We would have cubic motherboards.

@maggiejetson7904

3 жыл бұрын

Very soon my friend, when everything is integrated into the "CPU" with interposer and all we have left is a PCB with VRM, PCIe connectors, and USB ports.

Linus: AMD is stuck in the past. Intel: 14nm++++++++

@gor5685

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Lyga 14nm+++++++++++++++++

@mashedpotatoes5323

4 жыл бұрын

@@gor5685 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

@GuretoSefirosu

4 жыл бұрын

14nm and still performing as well as AMD. Now imagine where Intel would be if they switched to 7nm. AMD would not be anywhere near them. Like a 6502 chip versus any modern CPU.

@auturgicflosculator2183

4 жыл бұрын

@@GuretoSefirosu ...you want zero competition again? You must be rich.

@GuretoSefirosu

4 жыл бұрын

@@auturgicflosculator2183 I never said that and in fact stated that we use AMD for tasks (generally computationally intense) where AMD really shines. I want AMD to give Intel reason to forge ahead. However, I use each chip for what it is good for. I do not use a Civic to haul a tractor on a trailer nor would I use a pickup to go around the corner just to get some milk. Each processor chines in a different way. Where did I say I wanted AMD to die?

Who is this bearded dude and why is Nilus synchro-speaking him?

@IamBananas007

4 жыл бұрын

im surprised this isn't top comment. Seams work-from-home means no shave november

@BrawndoQC

4 жыл бұрын

@@IamBananas007 It's pretty common seriously everyone at our office now working from home is doing it , except those who can only grow 3 hairs.

@GouingOuver

4 жыл бұрын

*Laynus

1:47 "are a little tougher" NO Linus you are wrong, like they are 10x minimum tougher that the onest on the intel motherboards, who get scrued just by a little hair.

@javaguru7141

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's almost impossible to bend an AMD pin when simply inserting your CPU, but it's entirely possible to destroy Intel pins when trying to reinstall a CPU when the motherboard is installed in a case. There's no contest when it comes to durability.

@DarkAngelGRM

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I lied to myself and thought the LGAs were spring pins. TBA looking at some of the LGAs in the video I almost prefer to stick with my PGAs. Year's of experience with them and never bent a pin to the point of destruction.

@hadifelani

4 жыл бұрын

Javaguru and it also explains why intel pushes the consumers to have a new motherboard every single gen, if they decided to upgrade their cpu.

@grossly820

3 жыл бұрын

@@hadifelani nah. They probably get money from mobo manufacturers to make the chips in a new socket so that people have to buy new mobo if they want a processor. Ultimately, mobo manufacturers profit a lot.

I remember seeing my first LGA processor after knowing PGA in forever. I thought it had been mis-manufactured 😂

AMD stuck in the past. Thats why I am still using the same motherboard now since first gen. Thank you AMD.

@true_neutral3378

4 жыл бұрын

Does it have DVI?

@thematts0743

4 жыл бұрын

True_Neutral? XD

@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL

4 жыл бұрын

What in the shitting hell could justify leaping only 3 cpu generations anyways? In other words by the time you will ACTUALLY need a CPU upgrade, you will need a NEW AMD board.

@ainbow1955

4 жыл бұрын

@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL true nothing is actually future proof in pcs apart from cases and maybe psu s

@aolvs1950

4 жыл бұрын

@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL the one intel didn't provide is "optional". Yes, if you want the most out of your cpu, you will partner it with the new mobo chipset. but then again, the word is optional. And use the word WANT instead of NEED.

Note: AMD motherboards in theory are made to last for longer period of time, with newer refresh CPUs keeping the compatibility. Enough reason to make the pins on the motherboard more ever-lasting than the CPUs counterpart.

@Peizxcv

4 жыл бұрын

AMD motherboard don’t have pins unless you’re talking about ThreadRipper or Epic

@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL

4 жыл бұрын

Could be done with LGA as well. Don't be ridiculous. It's an intel issue, not an LGA issue.

@ainbow1955

4 жыл бұрын

@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL true

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

they do that so when you bend the pin.. you had to buy new one... this why i forgo DIY my computer a few year now since it just to much headahce to deal with build it yourselves... and by the time it broken a lot of part just outdate to change up to new one...

@paulghignon4092

4 жыл бұрын

So you mean gen1 and gen2 zen. Man those AM4 boards really had some long term compatibility...

"Until intel ditched the pga flow back in 2004.." Me: sees my processor

@theopenermemes7407

3 жыл бұрын

I also have a 2004 cpu . Pentuim e2160 but its lga

@heyhoe168

3 жыл бұрын

@adel gamer same. Unfortunately I knew nothing about PCs at the time, and the dude who helped me to make configuration was an intelboy. He made me to buy intel in a year when intel was at it worst.

@prateekpanwar646

3 жыл бұрын

@@heyhoe168 And sad thing is now as they changed socket, You will have to buy new CPU + Motherboard + Ram (If you want good speed)

@kartikbhendekar5895

2 жыл бұрын

@@heyhoe168 same

"AMD stuck in the past" or "Intel pushes Motherboard makers to make the pins so Intel can save money". No pins = cheaper to manufacture.

@dylan1234540

4 жыл бұрын

Correct!

@DerrickRG

4 жыл бұрын

Money saved is money potentially spent on R&D. Soooo, who cares.

@jinuuoh

4 жыл бұрын

@@DerrickRG so that's why intel is still stuck on 14++++++++++++++++ while AMD is heading towards 5nm right? Lol what a joke

@luclu7_

4 жыл бұрын

@@jinuuoh Don't forget that AMD doesn't do their CPU themselves, they just design the chips. Intel however make their own, so they have to develop everything. Also, don't forget that Intel's 14nm is not equals to like TSMC's 14nm. Even tho they have a big delay against GF/TSMC now, they used to be very good.

@cbiscuit4666

4 жыл бұрын

Facts

Imagine getting an ad that has the KZreadr your watching in it.

@ShanmukhGudivadaGamingGeek44

4 жыл бұрын

SuperbGaming Only on Linus Tech Tips Channel.

@KeremBJK96

4 жыл бұрын

U'ree*

@nabeelabyazr911

4 жыл бұрын

the grammar is too complicated dude

@Scorpion-md8hb

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have to imagine.

@lforlight

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine getting an ad

Important lesson: "New" does not automatically mean "better."

@MrGametop1

4 жыл бұрын

So true. It's like a new president

@fernandonogaredo4941

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but in this case it is.

@andreimadar6114

4 жыл бұрын

like the note 7...

@beppo8932

4 жыл бұрын

Learned that the hard way with my 5700 xt. Huge upgrade from my 1070 but way too many problems. Had to return it in the end.

@RokeJulianLockhart.s4eb2q

4 жыл бұрын

@@fernandonogaredo4941 Yeah, a new president of the USA would be nice.

Summary: Linus looks much better with a beard

@s0nofanarchy73

4 жыл бұрын

In all honesty, it's not a real beard just yet :D

@DasDieDerErik

4 жыл бұрын

@@s0nofanarchy73 it's visible hair in his face. It's a beard.

@s0nofanarchy73

4 жыл бұрын

@@DasDieDerErik No it's not...

@slanguagefreak2388

3 жыл бұрын

can someone please voiceover the whiny sounds coming out of his mouth. Then Whinus would be perfect - well, as perfect as Whinuses come.

CPU pins were " bent in shipping" easy RMA. Contact pins on my Mobo were "damaged upon arrival" yeah good luck with that one

@wmnu6270

3 жыл бұрын

Whats RMA

@TheDragShot

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, what's RMA?

@RainyFoxUwU

3 жыл бұрын

RMA means "Return Motherboard for authorization" it's something you have to do to get windows activated and so they can re-seat your ram and program it with the newest ram os update

Yeah, you learn to appreciate the old days of pins on the CPU when you damage a $1300 dual socket server motherboard while trying to swap out $200 CPUs for $250 CPUs due to a project at work. Yeah, I did that, back in 2008. I've hated LGA with a passion ever since.

@webforder4201

4 жыл бұрын

LGA motherboards aren’t that hard to damage unless you drop the CPU into the socket or something

@300ml_brasil

4 жыл бұрын

@@webforder4201 which is quite easy

@josefaschwanden1502

4 жыл бұрын

You should hate the socket because LGA itself isnt that bad.

@dangingerich2559

4 жыл бұрын

@@webforder4201 Which is exactly what happened, smashed over a dozen pins in a nice dual line across most of the socket. I was changing a E5-2603 for a E5-2609v2, and dropped the 2603 shortly after picking it up. Those are hard to get out of the socket, especially for those of us with hard, calloused skin on our fingers, and I just was not able to get a good hold on the chip. I told my boss about the possibility when he asked for the swap, and how hard it was to get a hold on the processor, but he said to go ahead. I felt horrible that it happened, but he never held it against me. When I put LGA chips in a motherboard I own, that is where they stay. I never take them out.

@NathanK97

4 жыл бұрын

I've always wondered if something like a pogo pin array might be better, like, spring loaded gold plated ball bearings in the socket, and then there isnt any pins to get damaged on either side. Though I'm sure it would take up slightly more space.

Linus: We're running out of quarantine video ideas, WHAT DO WE DO!?!?!? Also LTT: Anyone else notice there are pins on AMD CPUs?

@shubhamshirdhone6557

4 жыл бұрын

Looooollll

@kennyj4366

4 жыл бұрын

100% Correct LOL

"Don't bend the pins" Now this is a game I'd beat Linus in!

Is amd stuck in the past? While intel: PCIe3

"Is AMD stuck in the past?" *laughs in 7nm chipset* edit: 5nm now

@ZombieBrine1309

4 жыл бұрын

7 nautical mile long cpu

@happygimp0

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZombieBrine1309 No one in the right mind uses miles. Please read the SI Brochure, nm is the correct way to write something in nanometer. (however, there should be a non-breaking space between number and unit)

@megumareta6361

4 жыл бұрын

@@happygimp0 imagine using miles am i right?

@masonjames1368

4 жыл бұрын

ggzh a Argue With Everyone r/woooosh

@divoulos5758

4 жыл бұрын

Then why 14nm intel has the same performance per watt? And why amd still has worse temps?

long gone the days where we could install an amd or intel chip using the same mobo.

@georgemcfly9868

4 жыл бұрын

Socket 7 FTW

@hariranormal5584

3 жыл бұрын

Nowerdays even common sockets for the same beand arent a thing

@user-ru7he6qj2w

3 жыл бұрын

@@hariranormal5584 socket am4

ive wanted a techquickie on this for so long.

The pulseway commercial was epic!! First commercial I’ve ever watched full lol, never seen an with the star of the channel

"Is AMD Stuck in the past?" As Intel has literally used the same CPU architecture full of security holes since Lynnfield, with the most minor of adjustments for an extra 'premium' fee each year.

@BrawndoQC

4 жыл бұрын

Almost every system is affected by Spectre: Desktops, Laptops, Cloud Servers, as well as Smartphones. More specifically, all modern processors capable of keeping many instructions in flight are potentially vulnerable. In particular, we have verified Spectre on Intel, AMD, and ARM processors.

@shadowboy2417

4 жыл бұрын

K

@danm4320

4 жыл бұрын

yh because AMD is sooooo security free 😂

@paulghignon4092

4 жыл бұрын

Clearly someone who doesn't understand or know anything about architectures. That's like saying almost all games are the same because they were programmed in c/c++... Yes they're all based on the x86 architecture, but massive changes have been made to x86 since it's invention. There's been massive leaps in performance because of the features added to x86 over the past few decades. I started studying architecture design in college because it pays so well, I quickly abandoned it because it's insanely hard; my understanding of it is insanely basic and even I understand why simply creating a completely new architecture with every CPU would bankrupt a company.

@manuell3505

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulghignon4092 I'm usually no conspiracy guy, but I believe the major computer architectures are strategically kept monolith's, even with many cores. The leaders of the market fear parallellism. All computers must be driven by a single complex construct that cannot be separated in equal or different parts...

I honestly prefer AMDs way of going at this Fixing an LGA motherboard CPU pin is straight up damn infuriating and requires some black magic to be able to do

@mikeramos91

4 жыл бұрын

Just Vienna but it’s a lot cheaper replacing the motherboard rather than the cpu

@Ryan-cy2jl

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Ramos I bent multiple pins on my ryzen 7 2700x, and one even snapped off... I was able to buy a $5 amd cpu from years ago and steal a pin using my heat gun for the broken one and carefully align all the others without even a magnifying glass, just a good eye and steady hands ... that’s a $5 fix compared to just buying a whole new motherboard

@Gigasimo456

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-cy2jl The heck? Did you really manage to solder a pin on a CPU???

@mangshu21

4 жыл бұрын

youre clearly not fit to handle delicate pc parts it seems.

@iyidedi1724

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gigasimo456 You can just put it on the motherboard pin and it will work like lga

That was a good thing to mention on the sponsor section. I did not know you could get better deals on flights with a VPN. I have to look that up.

The “bent pin” sound effect made me LOL. Thanks for that.

Linus :Wouldnt be a very big coaster Threadripper and epyc: am i a joke to you

@AmdUlkoinen

4 жыл бұрын

don't forget socket C32 and G34

@reverseflash8520

4 жыл бұрын

Very expensive coaster....

@pajownik

4 жыл бұрын

Aren't they LGA?

@talltale9760

4 жыл бұрын

Darius Z yeah literally says it in the video lol

@NebulonRanger

4 жыл бұрын

@@pajownik you can still wreck the chip itself with LGA, just ask Linus' Xeon Platinum 8180 LOL

TLDR: no.

@user-ch5ij5yd2g

4 жыл бұрын

TLDR: TLDR

I loved the way the informations are explained in the video.

Before I knew much about Threadripper and EPYC processors, I was wondering how on earth the pins would go into the socket without bending them.

I have a ryzen cpu and i can appreciate how much easier it was to install...

@kalysbourque2857

4 жыл бұрын

And it is cheaper than intel's way but honestly, it can go both ways for both for pins.

@mangshu21

4 жыл бұрын

cpus are easy to install either way

Ah yes, I remember bending my pins when installing my R5 3600. That was a bad day.

@AwesomeSauce7176

4 жыл бұрын

I had a customer who straight up didn't lift the retention arm for the CPU socket and then mounted the cooler anyway. To top it off he put the Ryzen badge on the CPU IHS. He had a whole lot of bent pins. I fixed it for him tho!

@everythingfeline7367

4 жыл бұрын

@@AwesomeSauce7176 as someone who bent a few on a 1200 when removing a cooler, that hurts my soul

@George-li1yv

4 жыл бұрын

I dont get how people do this. Just hold the sides and pop it in.

@fraserlamb5787

4 жыл бұрын

I had a ryzen 3600 cpu come with a broken b450 motherboard. I sent it back to scan 3 times and trying to reseat it and send it back and foward it got damaged so it got sent to the company 6 weeks at a time. and off to AMD and back again for about 3 months before they eventually realised the CPU was goosed from the start and sent me brand new stuff and not had a problem since. Not sure If I would ever buy AMD again after that. The 3600 is good and mines does 3828 on cinebench r20 but left a bitter taste in my mouth

@sarathsankar5531

4 жыл бұрын

@@George-li1yv I bend the pins when I was placing the stock cooler. Dem springs were too hard for me.

Your videos are really helpful buddy

"Hit every hole in the socket." ~She

@futbolita89742

4 жыл бұрын

>∆

@CosmoBubblegum

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf

@jessecole2265

3 жыл бұрын

I read this right as he said it

@An63rX3r0

3 жыл бұрын

"That's what she said!" XD

@portablerefrigerator4902

3 жыл бұрын

@@futbolita89742 shut up teenage girl.

linus: is amd stuck in the past? no, they're stuck in the future

@aeonian_harshul

4 жыл бұрын

Back to future

I once bent the pins on my 8350, spent 30 minutes bending them back with a pen. Worked like a dream for 5 years after that. PGA is a great technology

@danstrikker6465

4 жыл бұрын

That feeling is so satisfying

Old PGA also works as an amazing hairbrush. Better utilization than as coaster. Had an Athlon K6 for this purpose for a long time

I remember bending a whole bunch of pins on an old amd CPU (10-ish years ago). I just took some pincers to it and it served me well for a couple of years.

i rmember when intels had pins

@M1chlos

4 жыл бұрын

I 'member.

@SimplyNon_sense

4 жыл бұрын

I remember when intel had sockets (Pentium 2)

@Adam-jt4wl

4 жыл бұрын

Ok boomer

@pixels_per_inch

4 жыл бұрын

Same here, those pins were fun to pluck out

@andydbedford

4 жыл бұрын

I remember when I intel had competitive CPU’s.

AMD: Has most advanced CPU architecture to date Linus: "Is AmD sTuCk In ThE pAsT?"

@BMW_nation

4 жыл бұрын

I mean with these times his underclocked braincells are definately struggling to find better ideas 💡

@eduardoavila646

4 жыл бұрын

@J D Tecnically the pga design is from the past, so in that part they are kind of stuck in the past. Not that this is a bad thing, its just that lga came after pga. So the title even if its kind of a bait, its true.

@divoulos5758

4 жыл бұрын

@@eduardoavila646 Also if u want to transport a cpu without a box pga will be more likely to get damaged than lga. And this is why u can pack and transport more cpus in less space and much more safier.

@thepope2412

4 жыл бұрын

Specialopsdave amd includes masonry in their cpus?

@eduardoavila646

4 жыл бұрын

​@@divoulos5758 Yeah that's true. But in my experience i aways saw dead motherboards due to bent pins and never saw bent cpu pins. And the cpu pins are easy to fix and so take some abuse, the motherboard ones i cant even think of a way i would fix them without risking too much to rip them. But yeah both lga and pga have their own advantages.

I've built probably over 100 PCs with AMD CPUs, never had a problem with a bent pin. But I managed to smoke one of the most expensive CPUs I ever handled by not removing the foil underneath the heat sink...😣

Somewhere hidden in the back of a Microcenter there's a bar where they serve shots using CPUs as coasters

I feel the big miss is that it wasn't addressed that AMD prefers PGA as they expect their motherboards to be used multiple generations unlike Intel.

@davieholgate5751

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t want intel to ‘forget’ to send LTT’s 10 Intel CPU series press samples lmao

@fire_silicon7803

4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter whenever you have PGA or LGA motherboard... You can still support the same socket on the CPU throughout the years... Intel used LGA775 for 2 generations so did Amd with Threadripper

@devindykstra

4 жыл бұрын

@@fire_silicon7803 pga motherboards are more likely to last longer.

@divingradish

4 жыл бұрын

How is that even corelate?

@devindykstra

4 жыл бұрын

@Repair yeah! why not?

Me: Watching ltt in bed White background: I will melt your eyes!

@TheAngryIntellect-

4 жыл бұрын

I concur.

@deputybluevein93

4 жыл бұрын

But it isn't white though

@connectorxp

4 жыл бұрын

Things gotta change, return to the “kitchen” and a shaven Linus.

Man I only found this out last year - when I first bought a laptop with a socketed CPU (something else I didn't know existed until last year), I also bought a CPU to upgrade it - when it arrived I was like "what were are the pins?????" haha

1:18 What happened to “Ball Grid Array” (BGA)? I remember hearing that at one point.

@Nematics_Lab

4 жыл бұрын

BGA are used in mobile processors, since they are ment to be soldered on Motherboard

Linus’ eyes look like he’s been smokin’ the good stuff xD

@mass1985

4 жыл бұрын

eyyyyy^^

@AshleyStocker

4 жыл бұрын

Oh Canada.

Lifehack: if u bent some pins and they completely came off during your repair attempts (shouldn't happen as they are quite tough but it can), just put them into proper holes of the socket and slap your CPU over as normal, it will work.

@GuyFromJupiter

4 жыл бұрын

What if I don't know where the missing pin is?

@5poolcatrush

4 жыл бұрын

@@GuyFromJupiter you mean loss of it or its positioning on the socket/cpu? If it has been lost, theoretically you can use any metal thing of proper lenght although i didn't try that so cannot suggest. If we speak about position, there is a full grid of pins/holes without free space, so it should be easy to compare cpu area with socket holes and find a proper hole for a pin or few

@TohaZhirnij

4 жыл бұрын

Well, you saved a lot of money for many people, thank you.

@5poolcatrush

4 жыл бұрын

@@TohaZhirnij it should be done at their own risk btw have to say. It worked for me with am3+ phenom, cases may differ, f.e. am4 holes may be deeper or pin won't contact cpu by other reasons.

@Ultimateharen

4 жыл бұрын

@@5poolcatrush i think gamer nexus done similer

One more perk of LGA. The metallic bracket on top of the IHS prevents coolers with particularly sticky thermal paste from pulling the chip right out of the socket. If you aren't aware of and ready for this, you could have a nasty surprise next time you re-paste your chip and don't take the necessary precautions.

I still remember back in the day where people cover the lga on Xeon CPU inorder to be able to fit to Consumer grade mainboard

Tech quickie Video ideas: *WiFi access points vs mesh setups *Managed switches vs unmanaged switches vs routers: home networking *centralised media systems using hdmi matrix to distribute pc to any screen in house.

@Xyler94

4 жыл бұрын

Unless you plan on making multiple subnets at home... there's really no point in a managed switch. There's typically no reason to have multiple subnets either, as a lot of home use stuff relies on network discovery, which typically doesn't transcend a single network There's no speed advantage of a managed switch. You're often paying much more just for that privilege. So unless you need subnets... don't bother with managed switches, :)

@pandaofwisdom

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Xyler94 Running a managed switch is a lot more common than you'd think. The most common reasons I've seen is when you need VLAN's, either to split your network (typically for isolating crappy devices, like hikvision cameras) or if you want to do any kind of router HA, as this is fairly easily done with VLAN's. I'm not saying everyone needs managed switches, but the idea of these videos would be to explain what they are and, why you might need them.

Linus Is Slowly Turning Into Gordon Freeman.

@joaomartins6346

4 жыл бұрын

@Agnish Roy It's that black guy from South Africa that was in jail then was president and died some years ago

@unknown9126

4 жыл бұрын

@Agnish Roy Look up the Half-Life game series

@torahibiki

4 жыл бұрын

Pewdiepie

@karliflux

4 жыл бұрын

Hello, Gordon!

@JasonEllingsworth

4 жыл бұрын

I don't see it. At all. I just think he looked like a geek before and now he looks like he probably does pr0n.

In reality, Intel stopped using pins on the CPU to move the warranty on damaged parts to the mainboard makers

You stuck in the past with them dam earrings 😂

Remember building a PC for a friend recently and while I was inserting the CPU, he got impatient and snatched it from my hand. He then dropped it while bending around 27 pins and made me fix his mistake. Shocked the thing still works.

@chaoticneutral393

4 жыл бұрын

That stupid ass friend of yours, He's very lucky to have you as his friend.

@TheyWhomTheGodsDetest

4 жыл бұрын

@@chaoticneutral393 Yeah, too lucky. I'd drop that "friend."

@user-pj7ur2pk4t

4 жыл бұрын

You shouldn't have fixed it and told him to go frick himself

@deputybluevein93

4 жыл бұрын

Bullshit

@wann9636

4 жыл бұрын

One of my friend chip bend hen we take it out from mobo. Fix it using ruler. work fine

"This video has been sponsored by intel" Well, that didn't happen, but one can hope

@workernetZX

4 жыл бұрын

Because he talked about the glass in the end I was expecting glasswire

I used to have an AMD Phenom II X4 965....it got used in several different CPU builds. I remember later on in its life, around 2013, I bent the crap out of the pins accidentally while it was being transported a long distance in my luggage. Took me a good 4 hours but I bent all the pins back with tweezers and it still worked fine lol. To this day I am shocked it still worked like a charm lol

This aged poorly

Wait till you pull out your CPU when removing the cooler on a AM4 socket

@vladvah77

4 жыл бұрын

Heat up the CPU before removing that cooler, bro! 100% safe!

@GuyFromJupiter

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't even know this was an issue until it was too late. Of course, I still should have known to be more careful. That wraith prism mounting mechanism really didn't want to come loose though, so I guess I got pretty careless trying to get it off.

@shaneh7519

4 жыл бұрын

When I recently replaced my stock cooler with a beefy air cooler, I was so afraid of pulling the cpu out. I just ran a stress test before and let the paste heat up. Then unscrewed the cooler keeping pressure and then twisted gently, then was able to remove it just fine. I was very relieved when it went smoothly

@SkylerWallaceUS

4 жыл бұрын

This exactly. It happens a lot more often than people think and most people don't even know it can happen. When it does happen, they don't know how to handle it and end up damaging their CPU.

@jordanrodrigues8265

4 жыл бұрын

Don't pull or pry, twist back and forth to break up the goop. Like loosening a jar, NOT popping the top off a beer bottle. This works well even on old or cold thermal compound. The pin array is much stronger than the thermal compound if you twist. (And the pins are seated into the socket.) If you pry the reverse is often true.

I do think Linus is giving AMD a way to bad mark for damaging, In my experience you have to be very forcefull to bend the pins on their CPU. were as you can almost bend the pins on the intel mobo's by blowing on them

@Flaxify

4 жыл бұрын

my old fx-6300 fell from about a meter on hard floor, ON THE PINS. i dont even know how people manage to bend those. probably only by forcing it into the socket. with normal use they are unbreakable

@davideaezakmi9530

4 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about, he said pins on the CPUs tend to be stronger

@ndrewwb

4 жыл бұрын

@@Flaxify it's a good thing that AMD pins can easily be bent back into place.. certainly not as easily as an LGA socket. I once also had some pretty good luck with an old athlon 64 system that wasn't booting, the CPU had been removed before I got to it and somehow had a pin ripped off, put said pin in the corresponding hole in the socket and hey presto, POSTing again.

@justchillin7274

4 жыл бұрын

He did say that tho

@radomiami

4 жыл бұрын

Usually, you just need to align the pins to the holes, push it in a bit, then let it drop.

i pulled out my r5 1600 with the cpu cooler(thermal paste was too dry and stuck on cpu) . luckily no pins got bent lmao. i had to reapply thermal paste a few days later since the cpu was running at max temp. then i was back to good ol 69C. nice

I am currently looking for upgrading my aging i7 with Ryzen and that was one of the first thing I have noticed. I am not fan of PGA and LGA just seems better design. I have installed many CPUs but handling PGA is always little bit stressful. Further I have never seen damaged LGA motherboard (at least not damaged one myself), yet I had countless experiences with bent pins.

AMD: Kicking INTELS ARSE EVERYWHERE LINUS: see title........

@davey3765

4 жыл бұрын

It says 'IS' AMD stuck in the past, not 'AMD is stuck in the past'.

@bbedeschi

4 жыл бұрын

Classic tittle bait that brings a NO but you watch anyways to find out why would such question even be asked anyways

I got a pulseway ad with linus and i actually thought it was part of the video lol

I would also think you would also increase the surface area of the contacts using pins, therefore helping to draw a little heat into the board. Minuscule by all means. Just a thought

I was watching an LTT video and got an LTT youtube ad on it

Better title would be: Why AMD still use PGA?

I bent the pins on the corner of my Ryzen 7. It took me two hours with the macro-lens setting on my phone camera and a needle to straighten them out. When I put the cpu in my computer and turned it on, I got life, thankfully. I hate pins. Costly mistake if you mess up.

@anonymchannel5413

4 жыл бұрын

Mechanical pencils are great for fixing bent pins. You just shove the pin into the hole and you can precicely bend it back. After that I found that a thin blade of some sort is a good tool to fine tune the pin.

@nomisgilga6386

4 жыл бұрын

I have destroyed my r 2700x too while I tried to put the f***ing amd stock cooler on it. I was unable to fix it, some pins broke and i have put it in a case by the other computer- stuff, so that I have to remember, what an idiot I was and that I never use the shity amd -cooler anymore

1:19 they are!! I bent 3 pins on my ryzen 5 3500x but successfully rebent them into place and somehow the CPU still works 😂. I sweated a lot that day ...

Lol I got a pulse way ad with Linus in it before the video

PGA: Just do it. LGA: Oh! My pin!

I put a new CPU in an old MB more often than the other way around. So I prefer the MB side to be the more robust one.

Would it be so much to ask for AMD to add a locking frame like Intel has? Removing a cooler from an AMD chip often runs the risk of ripping the CPU off the socket.

@Not_interestEd-

Жыл бұрын

I recently actually did that because past me used a touch bit too much thermal paste and did NOT remove the cooler when the processor was warm. If you know what you're doing, a bracket isn't really necessary, but it is nice to have.

Now have switched to LGA, that didn't take long.

Oh LMG, loving the subtle negative connotation association with AMD in the title. Easily could've been something like: 'Intel cracks easier under pressure?' or 'Is it impossible to bring back Intel?'

Linus: Is AMD stuck in the past? Intel: 14nm process in 2020

@kylerclarke2689

4 жыл бұрын

Still make better gaming CPUs :-)

@willinton06

4 жыл бұрын

Bobert Daniels gaming isn’t even in the top 3 biggest markets so that’s not of much relevance

@megumareta6361

4 жыл бұрын

@@kylerclarke2689 hhahhahah my intel cpu can do better gaming The cgi artist for terminator darkfate can go home after rendering because of the threadripper instead of an all nighter. Try that with an intel cpu

@kylerclarke2689

4 жыл бұрын

@@megumareta6361 How is it that every time you mention Intel's gaming superiority, no matter how specific you are that you're talking about gaming, there's always someone like, "yes, but what about rendering??" Actually they don't even concede the gaming part basically ever despite it being as obvious of a claim to make as "AMD has better options for rendering". What a nice thing it is that we live in a world where both statement are true!

@ktcool4660

4 жыл бұрын

@@kylerclarke2689 The GPU is more important to gaming than the CPU.

The only real consumer side downside of AMDs solution is the possibility of those pins getting ripped out when replacing the fan or thermal paste.

@MrJay_White

4 жыл бұрын

join the graphite pad master race, pasty cpu peasant.

@brodriguez11000

4 жыл бұрын

Which is why the advice has always been run the CPU for a little while to heat it up. Then remove the heat-sink (twist and lift). The fan itself is attached to the heat-sink so removal should be easy anyway.

I just bent a couple of pins on my 3600 last night. I was terrified. Fortunately I was able to straighten them out and am using that CPU now.

Intel: less gold plating surface area (more money).... AMD: more gold plating surface area (more stability)

@Peto111222

4 жыл бұрын

facepalm

@autumnhd

4 жыл бұрын

Jeston Xi true, but gold is also less reactive to copper, thus is more resistant to corrosion or tarnishing

@autumnhd

4 жыл бұрын

And when gold is alloyed with nickle or cobalt, it is more wear resistant.

Meanwhile at amd: laughs in 7nm

@Dacite6

4 жыл бұрын

and laughs with samsung at Adreno GPU

@Dacite6

4 жыл бұрын

its 3x better than Adreno 650 GPU it will be in S21

@carholic-sz3qv

4 жыл бұрын

you mean laughs at TSMC i guess...

@joopjop5498

4 жыл бұрын

7nm?? 5nm next year, then 3, and they are already working on 2! www.guru3d.com/news-story/tsmc-starts-development-of-2nm-process3nm-already-in-the-works,7.html

@TheBloodypete

4 жыл бұрын

@@carholic-sz3qv yeh, AMD's fab business went bust, although everyone seems to forget that! TSMC has 7nm, so Intel could do it tomorrow.

Draw a computer case with a 3D pen? Make the shape of the case elbo-macaroni curves for the ducting around the fans. It needs to look like the exhaust of a motorcycle. You could even use a cold air filter to keep dust out of the system!

One thing to look out for with the AMD PGA is the possibility to be pulled out of the socket when removing the heatsink. Had this happen to me when upgrading the stock cooler on a 3900x, was unaware it was still sticking to the heatsink and bent some pins in the process. Twisting the heatsink before pulling it off could help if the heatsink design allows you to do this.

You need to use a lot of thermal paste under ur cpu. Its like nano technology that makes sure all pins are straight. Plzz dont!!

@natanpogro

4 жыл бұрын

Instructions not clear all my pins are bent now and the thermal paste did not help. Edit:Dam it I didn't see the bottom 😭

@GamingVasta

4 жыл бұрын

@@natanpogro i shouldnt make it more obvious.... Damm it

@SoulDuckling126

4 жыл бұрын

@@natanpogro some people just want to see the world burning

@bobfill5809

4 жыл бұрын

I usually just put the ram under the cooler

@shektron702

4 жыл бұрын

I just install my CPU into the PCI x4 slot, ez gainzz

IS beard and mustache less Linus suck in the past ? Me : hell yeah

@isaiah-wj2zj

4 жыл бұрын

A.R Raju he kinda looks like Quedeca

Back in the day I bent some pins when I accidentally dropped the cpu on the floor, and then accidentally stepped on it, barefoot, on the pins.. ouchie

Video Idea: Notetaking tablets with pens for drawing and/or writing with in Uni